Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-18 Thread Ron Mc
Deac, by definition a child can't be childish - only an adult can be. A child's wants are innocent - that's how your father looks at your bicycles. Teaching personal sacrifice to a child at Christmas time is the opposite of the gift message. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:58:53 AM

[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-18 Thread Garth
True Christmas is the Celebration of OneSelf as Christ , the symbol of The Perfect Self, I AM that I AM . Free from want, for all is Perfect and in Perfection there is no lack, hence, nothing to want of. The meaning of Heaven on Earth . So truly, every moment is Christmas :) -- You

[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-18 Thread John Phillips
Ooops, did I sign into the Mordor Bicycle Owners Group by mistake? Are some people seriously choosing an adult toy forum to preach against materialism? Seriously?? Oh, duh! I get it, you were being ironic!!! Silly me! Happy Holidays everyone, John Phillips -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-18 Thread Chris Chen
har har har On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, John Phillips jphillip...@icloud.com wrote: Ooops, did I sign into the Mordor Bicycle Owners Group by mistake? Are some people seriously choosing an adult toy forum to preach against materialism? Seriously?? Oh, duh! I get it, you

[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-18 Thread Deacon Patrick
Lots of good stuff here to respond to, but it falls outside the scope of this group (even for me, and that's saying something!). Grin. So rather than delve into theology, I'll bow out. May God startle you with the joy of Christ's Mass! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-18 Thread Chris Chen
Mass is something we can all agree we care about, especially if it's measured in Grams. On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Lots of good stuff here to respond to, but it falls outside the scope of this group (even for me, and that's saying something!).

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
ebay bike parts scalper, who has Riv water bottles listed for $100. Teach your kids to suck it up? Merry Christmas. They'll have plenty of chances to learn that on their own. On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:09:30 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-17 Thread Ron Mc
Deac, doesn't your father lavish you with $3000 bicycles? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm not sure how to respond to this question, Ron. Is it a serious question? How did you arrive at it based on anything I've written? The simple answer is No. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:46:48 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: Deac, doesn't your father lavish you with $3000

[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-17 Thread Phil Bickford
Thank You Joe I'M THINKING I MISSED SOMETHING, oops, caps off My time fortunately is not that valuable it seems. I need to get hep to read this group. PB Bikes. Mmmm, Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate What is PB Bikes? -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-17 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Everyone in my family knows that PB stands for Princess Bubblegum! On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:09:30 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:33 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with

[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Ron Mc
I wonder how much beanie babies are going for now? The sad part is some children will not get their Christmas wish because grown-ups are absconding and scalping the toys. On Monday, December 15, 2014 2:11:22 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ahhh, but if their Christmas depends on getting a specific toy, then they are more likely to discover real Christmas in the toy's absence than it's presence. Though I'm not sure how I'll make it to the New Year should I not be given a Disney Frozen Castle Ice Palace Playset. Sardonic grin.

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Goshen Peter
its shopkins this year. I have an 8 year old girl and its all they want. Retail is 5 bucks for a 5 pack of these little rubber toys, last I saw the 5 packs were going for 25 bucks most places because they are sold everywhere. Law of supply and demand, although yeah crappy that some kids wont get

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Goshen Peter
sold out I should say. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: its shopkins this year. I have an 8 year old girl and its all they want. Retail is 5 bucks for a 5 pack of these little rubber toys, last I saw the 5 packs were going for 25 bucks most places

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Ron Mc
Deac, child and childish are not the same thing. On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy plastic or electronic toys toys. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
Precisely, Ron. And people can inadvertently promote childishness in their children by accepting it rather than challenging it. I'm not saying that is happening in any specific instance here -- but the commercialization of Christmas, and specifically the direct marketing to kids via kids shows

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Anton Tutter
Amen, Patrick. We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second daughter was born. Will never go back. And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old fashioned chalk board salvaged from school

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Anton Tutter
Speaking of media, we also find that after living essentially ad-free since 2006 (as not only do we not have a TV, but we also only listen to college radio stations of which there is an abundance with great programming in our area), it's become unbearable listening to ads when spending holidays

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:37:15 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote: Have they gotten more obnoxious since then, or have I just become sensitized to them from not having them? Great question, Anton. When I see ads I grew up with and thought nothing of at the time, they seem obnoxious now. I

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Jim Bronson
As for kids I don't have any but have some over at the house sometimes and I find the precocious behavior displayed in much of children's specific programs is pretty intolerable. There's no way I would accept any child talking the way they do on some of these TV shows. For me, I could not live

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Matthew J
Have they gotten more obnoxious since then, or have I just become sensitized to them from not having them? There is a lot less money being spent of televised ads. Production quality is way down. Big money is in the cinema spots that then morph over to Youtube - apparently there are people

[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
And to help pull this even further off topic, today is 50% board games at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=br_lf_m_10238448011_pglink_prev?ie=UTF8node=10238448011plgroup=1plpage=1 Board games tend to not go on sale often or by a large %, so this is a good opportunity to keep the kids away

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Patrick: agree wholeheartedly. Anton: good for you. I don't have a TV -- find it hard to watch most movies without getting bored or annoyed -- but daughter, alas, is very plugged in -- she lives mostly with her mother. But her mother and I have, and I think effectively, emphasized other values

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Goshen Peter
Well I own 5 flat screen TVs a PS4, Gameboy, ipad, kindle fire and all the other stuff we yes did fine without as kids but come on, they are fun distractions. The issue is when they become all you do or all the kids do. Everything is about moderation. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Patrick

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Philip Williamson
I've taken a whole other strategy with my kid. He's plugged in, online, engaged, and has been for a long time. I doubt it's a strategy that would work with every kid, but he's pretty inoculated against ads and consumerism. He does consumer research, and knows how to delay gratification. He

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Jim M.
Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Goshen Peter
He, my kid is amazing, special and perfect, just kidding hahaha. She has my smart attitude and is already bored with school, good times ahead! On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Joe Bernard
What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:33 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly Riv-ish. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because

Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

2014-12-16 Thread Joe Bunik
Peanut Butter Bikes. On 12/16/14, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: What is PB Bikes? On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:39:33 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote: Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not