[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Mark in Beacon - that's awesome you got to work with Spike Jonze. He did a lot of the Jackass stuff too which I"m a huge fan of but also display a level of jack-assery that no one should be attempting to replicate, ever. Not to mention all his movies which are fantastic, especially the Charlie

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Found this article about turn of the (20th) century bike messengers. Some of them look pretty tough. Bike messengers from 1908 to 1917 Lots of cool bikes in the photos, plus some really weird looking handlebars. On Tuesday, July

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Thank you for brining this movie to my attention. It was a delight to watch. Was I ever that young, dumb, and full of such reckless energy? A *little* disappointed not to see a Clem being ridden, but so it goes. I can see this movie being used as evidence at a Senate committee hearing to

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Fascinating, Mark. I interviewed a toolmaker yesterday who rode his chainstore bike to the interview. I dealt with those very questions. And I rode my bike to work this morning. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

I agree that the "messenger wannabe" phenomenon is a problem. Unfortunately, those hipsters who are attracted to "messenger style" simply affect it without any pragmatic reason to do so and usually without the bike-handling skills required. But they'll most likely move on to the next cool

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

people are going to react to speedy cyclists in gridlock traffic they same way they will react to the guy who blasts down the highway shoulder on a gridlocked freeway - seen many motorcycles take the lane marker in gridlock traffic On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 6:50:13 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote: >

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Seems like I experience the drivers who were just short of not acknowledging cyclists as legitimate users of the roads but were pushed all the way by a lone experience with some fool trying to ride like a messenger. These are encounters that are not "strong bike moves" since we don't have NYC

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

And I would just add that the technology of the bicycle, with its more human scale, is much more conducive to human dignity than the automobile. On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 4:11:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > For me this is simple. The issue is human dignity: upholding the inherent >

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

realized my previous word choice might be misconstrued... Oh lord.. On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: > > If you need a path to empathize with how many black people in America feel >> today, you might start with how you feel you're treated while riding

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

oh boy... On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: > > >> If you need a path to empathize with how many black people in America > feel today, you might start with how you feel you're treated while riding > your bike on public roads. > > Philip >

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Yes Patrick, but policy cannot be based on each person's vision of human dignity. And it must also take into account those for whom human dignity is not high up on the to-do list. We are talking here specifically about basing essentially economic decisions--where as a society shall we put our

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

For me this is simple. The issue is human dignity: upholding the inherent and boundless value and irreplaceable uniqueness of any and every human being. We are called to uphold our own, as well as that of everyone else. Do I ride in a way to upholds my own human dignity? That of those I meet

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

> > "...simply because he was offended by my presence." This. Many people do not consider us valid road users. Whether that's passive aggression like not giving us space, or active harassment, it stems from the idea that we're not "real," and don't have a right to be there. If you need a

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

My analogy was not meant to compare severity of consequences, property damage, etc. It's about shaping public discourse and leading by example. I don't think anyone here would disagree with you on the role the automobile has had in shaping our street scape. Mind you, I do think the age of the

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

KJ, states keep up with state infrastructure, and municipalities keep up with theirs. On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 2:58:56 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: > > Here in Toronto, our municipal councillors (and by extension, the city's > various public works and planning committees) are responsible

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

I don't really buy into your analogy comparing bad cyclists to violent anarchists. Compare the actual damage done by riders that disregard rules of the road (rules made for motor vehicles, it should be noted) and ride fast on crowded sidewalks ringing bells with the carnage wrought by driving

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Here in Toronto, our municipal councillors (and by extension, the city's various public works and planning committees) are responsible for setting the agenda for building net new infrastructure and maintaining what already exists. I recognize this is not the arrangement in all parts of the

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Actually, badly behaving bicyclists are a tiny minority of what is a teeny tiny miniscule minority in the first place. The truth is that bad cycling etiquette is mainly that--bad etiquette, or at worst generally mostly a danger to the cyclist. Whereas the radical monopoly that is our

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

I think there has to be two sets of standards for somebody riding for a living v. someone riding to a living or for recreation, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Again, diversity is a good thing. Not everyone can or ever will have the same interests or to the same extent as anyone else. People are not clones and robots. The insistence that everyone should care like I do about *blank* , if anything will reveal that everyone doesn't care or could not

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

I'm not sure I understand the criticism. I thought the footage was incredible and the soundtrack was great (who in their right mind doesn't like Motorhead?). I think these dudes are highly skilled riders who challenge themselves in these races (Monster Track, CMWC, alleycats, etc.) and build a

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

And yet, a small minority of extremists can have a disproportionate influence on the broader collective - negatively or positively. Bad cycling etiquette is an ongoing barrier in securing better infrastructure for all cyclists, influencing public perception of cyclists, and enhancing civic

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

That a movie, group or individual represents or could even remotely represent the infinitely diverse population of people who engage in riding a bicycle(let alone any activity) is a myth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

I think it is more an issue with being reckless with bystanders' safety, and giving cyclists a bad rep in the eyes of car drivers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

I feel partially responsible. Back in the early 90s I was working for a NYC messenger company and publishing a bike magazine called *In Traffic, The Metro Cycling Journal*. Got a call from a production company that wanted to do a sitcom about messengers. They interviewed one of the owners for

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

I just realized my laughter could be construed as being directed at you, it isn't. Sorry if it came across that way. The whole thing is amusing to me. Gabe On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote: > > So I saw this movie on netflix. Spare yourself. The soundtrack is

[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

Hahaha. Basically, they do it because they find it fun. Sure, we could debate the merits of it all, as well as those of personal and social responsibility, but they find it fun. So they do what they do. You don't get it, fine. A lot of people don't get Riv or it's philosophy, which is fine.