Thanks Chris and Patrick for sending the reply to me. It will help quite a
bit.
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Patrick,
I'm doing the keto thing in the hopes that I can reverse my recently
diagnosed Type 2 diabetes, lose some weight and be able to spend more time
riding my bicycle in interesting places.
I'm encouraged by your experience with a ketogenic diet but did you
experience a transition phase
Great questions, Chris. I'll reply off group.
With abandon,
Patrick
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I'm interested in your reply too. In a similar boat as Chris but blood
sugar is higher.
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:09:16 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Great questions, Chris. I'll reply off group.
With abandon,
Patrick
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Och! I'm sorry. I sent it via the web interface, so have no record of it.
Perhaps Chris can forward it to you?
One thing I meant to put in but don't know if I did or not is that
measuring ketones via urine is not very helpful. As you becomes keto
adapted, your body will hold on to ketones,
I know that my Roadeo, which I built up with the Dura Ace parts and the
Mavic Ksyrium wheels from my go fast Cannondale, *feels* faster than my
fendered Homer. It is definitely lighter but since I am working in CT and
the Homer is here but the Roadeo is home in KC, I don't have a lot of
Intriguing topic, eating and nutrition... For every dietary theory, there's
a counter theory... I guess you go with what works for you... After all,
it's not rocket surgery (my new fave saying).
Now on the bike side, there seems to be a similar debate raging around a
well-balanced drive train
You must realize, Patrick... that one is pretty out there... most people
(including myself) will have a hard time getting their heads around that
kind of diet.. It's just such a radical departure from what we've been
taught about fats and balanced diet ... and then there are those who rail
You're right, from a modern perspective, it's out there to eat mostly
animal fat. From a bigger picture and understanding nutrition, relying
heavily on grains and veggie oils and processed foods with who knows what
in them is the out there diet, and is at most 60 years old out of 2
million of
the neolithic life expectancy was 20 years - it went to 35 with the
development of grain agriculture, and is 67 today.
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:48:40 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
You're right, from a modern perspective, it's out there to eat mostly
animal fat. From a bigger picture
I think its a bit more complicated that that. Here's a two part post on the
topic:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/bone-dating-life-span/#axzz31nmEfCy7
and
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/life-expectancy-hunter-gatherer/#axzz31nmEfCy7
And even if you are right about life expectancy, how do you
don'f forget reality tv
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:26:34 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I think its a bit more complicated that that. Here's a two part post on
the topic:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/bone-dating-life-span/#axzz31nmEfCy7
and
You lost me there, Ron. But no need to delve in further on this. I'm just
sharing my experience and what I've learned along the way. I am far more
functional because I eat wrong. I'm perfectly happy with that.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:31:48 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
the 67 vs. 35 vs. 20 is actually quite telling. On a planet of 7 billion,
where most are still trying to figure out where the next meal is coming
from, the current 67 is not skewed by western wealth and medicine, because
that skew as you pointed out is balanced in turn by those who eat from
If cavemen were dying at the age of 20, what were they dying of and who was
rearing their children?
I am 10 lbs heavier than when I put the bicycles away last Fall, but my
health is good and I'm still seeing ribs, abs, and veins when I look in the
mirror. I cut sugar, grain, phoney fat, and
my parents are in their 80s and aren't going to die any time soon, so the
encyclopedic data is a stated average life expectancy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 4:22:54 PM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
If cavemen were dying at the age of 20, what were they
Are you actually trying to respond to the post you quote or is this just
some sort of Gmail goof?
On Thursday, May 15, 2014 4:31:20 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
my parents are in their 80s and aren't going to die any time soon, so the
encyclopedic data is a stated average life expectancy
Depends, closer you are to forklift shape, the easier it is to lose weight
without sacrificing much. Closer you are to greek god shape, the harder it
is to lose weight without sacrificing much. :p
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 2:52:27 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Loosing weight doesn't have
I don't buy any of hemming and hawing over food now a days. Being a normal
healthy weight(whatever that means:p) isn't rocket surgery. Now if I wanted
six pack abs or a 5 hour century time bad enough, I might have to make
some sacrifices and change my diet. But no thanks I'd rather enjoy the
That's so true Patrick. I fell in with the CrossFit crowd and decided to cut
out sugars and grains. I thought I would have a plateau like most diets and
22 lbs later I'm still losing and will reach my goal of 25 lbs sooner than I
expected. I don't have craving for sugar but I have to make
Bagels have a ton of calories - I've been trying to stay away from them
lately.
Portion control is key for me. Doesn't matter so much what I eat but
moreso how much of it I eat. Granted, I do try to stay away from red meats
and fried foods. I need to weigh myself and see how I've been doing
No worries! Just drink 100% grass fed cream and you'll be so satiated and
happy, you won't need to eat till dinner. If I take any food on a ride
(even an all day one), it's a thermos of cream or butter or coconut oil. I
don't need anything else.
And yes, Patrick, I think you are right. Most
Losing weight off the person is easier, cheaper, and more effective at
lowering your power needs to make the bike go faster, especially up hill.
Here is a video of someone trying to do a sort of scientific test on it.
Turns out that being heavier requires much more power to climb (which we
all
I'm 6'3 and never been 300 lbs.. Was 190 lbs in fighting trim at 19 y-o
while running the Marine Corps PAT. I maintain 215, stay active, paddle,
wade-fish, eat what I want and pedal it off. I get tired of food Nazis.
When someone finds a diet that works for them, they want to apply it to
I politely disagree :p
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:01:48 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
Losing weight off the person is easier,
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Daniel is right - gaining weight is easy - you simply increase the number
of fat cells in your body. Losing weight, however, doesn't decrease the
number of fat cells, it simply leans out the existing number of fat cells.
So losing weight is tough.
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 11:16:38 AM
Loosing weight doesn't have to be tough. Never felt hungry once. The weight
just came off.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 3:50:24 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
Daniel is right - gaining weight is easy - you simply increase the number
of fat cells in your body. Losing weight,
Not to turn this into a weight loss thread, but: I find that, if I don't
keep junk food, particularly snacks, in the house (because my will power is
approximately nil, and I'll eat it all on one go), so that I have to eat
actual, real food that I have to prepare, be this merely sandwiches
prepared
As a 250 lb guy riding mostly 30ish pound bikes (+commuting load) I don't get
to wrapped up about weight... But I am always intrigued when I heft a light
weight bike. Thing is you'll never be able to do side by side testing of a
+/-25 lbs 'engine' but it's easy to try a +/-10lb bike/equipment.
I'm in Tony's camp, both with personal and bike weight. One thing I've
noticed does make a difference is tires. Have now had a second, longer
ride on the Compass Barlow Pass tires and have noticed that I am faster on
my Hillborne with those tires.
But that is me. Have a friend who is very
It seems that everyone agrees that losing 25 lbs would be better than
lightening the bike by 4 lbs.
A different question: If the rider lost 4 lbs would that be equivalent to
riding a bike that was 4 lbs lighter?
For example, last weekend I rode out 20 miles to pick up two 2-lb jars of
honey.
On 05/12/2014 09:54 AM, Eric Peterson wrote:
It seems that everyone agrees that losing 25 lbs would be better than
lightening the bike by 4 lbs.
A different question: If the rider lost 4 lbs would that be equivalent
to riding a bike that was 4 lbs lighter?
For example, last weekend I rode out
I wish my stoker would lose 25 lbs, but I sure as hell ain't going to tell
her so. The Santana is heavy, and I have no plans for trying to make it
lighter. I guess I am just going to have to pedal harder...
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
Assuming the 1-manpower
On 05/12/2014 09:24 AM, 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
I wish my stoker would lose 25 lbs, but I sure as hell ain't going to
tell her so. The Santana is heavy, and I have no plans for trying to
make it lighter. I guess I am just going to have to pedal harder...
On Sunday, May 11,
I think that reduced body weight makes much more of a difference even lb
for lb. Even with no change in strength, reduced body weight increases
strength to weight ratio. Lighter body weight increases VO2Max, i.e.
results in increased performance. Reduced body weight also requires less
I think what we really need is a people lifter. A contraption that picks
the person up with a caliper around your chest area. And once off the
ground a robotic voice says, dude you are feeling so light today. you must
have lost 50 grams between yesterday and today! love you for that!
On Sunday,
Most likely, perhaps the weight off you would seem a bigger difference for
esoteric and dubious reasons. To first order a lb is a lb, be it love handles
on you, a jar in a bag, or part of your bike.
The siren call of component and frame weight obsession is in close quarters
with the lure of
The thought that being 25lbs. overweight is like carrying around another
bike on you is an eye opening statement.
I don't think for a non-racer like me I would benefit from shaving bike
weight.
I need to ride more and eat less.
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I support you in that ambition! Needing to do the same.
On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:56:14 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
The thought that being 25lbs. overweight is like carrying around another
bike on you is an eye opening statement.
I don't think for a non-racer like me I would benefit from
Rework the engine. It's far cheaper and better for your health.
I used to weigh nearly 300 pounds. I now weigh 190. I'm now on a full time
ketogenic diet (high fat, very low carb). I can ride all day without food
and far less water (processing carbs takes a LOT of water). I'm riding
string,
It's not just weight - it's a ratio of power to weight. If a person is
20lb over-weight, the knock-on of such a condition is often (not always)
carrying the weight in the form of fat at the same time as lacking muscle
and strength. I hover between 155lb and 175lb, but I only hit 155lb after
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:59 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.
From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it
really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25
lbs.
I think if I lost the weight it
I could stand to lose 10 lbs and 10 years. I have control over one but not
the other. I was out riding my 23 lb New Albion Privateer today. We were
flying as best we could. It would have been a bit faster and climbing would
have been easier on the 17 lb Specialized Roubaix. I can't quantify
Michael,
I must come down on the side of decreasing rider weight whenever possible,
provided one is keeping within healthy parameters. If one loses weight
through exercise proper diet, then one should also be stronger and fitter
for it and this will further improve performance on the bike. I
Michael:
Your intuition is correct. In addition to improving your cycling, losing
25 lbs will also improve your health. If done right, it's free, vs what it
costs to get 4 lbs off a bike. Look at it this way: if you're carrying an
extra 25 lbs, that's like lugging another bike around.
I've been asking myself the same thing over the last few years. I just lost
20 lbs on a ketogenic diet and definitely noticed an increase in speed
throughout the weight loss and afterwards. However, even after the weight
loss, I still go faster on my wife's 18 lb carbon road bike than on my 22
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