I've had two of each. I agree completely with Max Beach's assessment,
especially this: "Roadeo is a bit lighter, feels a bit more sprightly on
the steep climbs. But just a bit. They are both smooth as butter and very
comfortable."
On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 3:48:03 PM UTC-6, Lum Gim
Well, I came to Grand Bois and Compass EL tires early on my Surlys, and
found they transformed the ride experience; I've logged 12K+ miles on the
700c LHT, much of that unloaded. It's definitely a different dynamic
profile, but I find it agreeable. You might say I have a soft spot in my
head
Wow Rod, I have a Rambouillet and a Disc Trucker, the latter I'm happy with
for its intended use but wouldn't say the ride delights me. I find that
even after 20 miles (unloaded) I am aware of the stiffer tubing of its
build.
Maybe the disc fork makes that much of a difference but the net
Interesting Bruce! That's not what I would have expected. Were the Nord and
the Ram built up and fit similarly?
Curious about the brakes in particular. I originally had my Nord set up
some dual pivot calipers, which I did not like. Power was fair, but
modulation poor. They made me uncomfortable
Hey Rod, my subjective experience is similar to yours. My A. Homer Hilsen
has a different feel than my Nordavinden, which in turn feels different
than my MAP. I have subjective thoughts on which of them "feel" fastest,
but none of them hold me back significantly in my non-competitive
Hi Reed:
I test rode a Norvindian owned by a fellow cyclist in Mobile. I found it much
less lively than my Ram. She loves it however. Maybe lugs vs welds? The Ram
is fine on gravel with fat tires. I did a gravel grind on Pasela 1 1/2” and
ride was okay. I was leery of the brakes on
Reed,
I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively handling of
my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT variants (700c
and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the difference in handling among
them, of course, but can ride any of them fast and
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:51 AM Jonathan D. wrote:
> I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I wonder
> if it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels. The
> models are the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels
> like a more flexible
I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I wonder if
it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels. The models are
the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels like a more
flexible lovely ride. Perhaps it is just the color orange. At some
Well, there ya go. 9-6-9 after all for mine. Huh!
KJ
On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 1:48:03 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Please only those who have ridden both:
>
>
> I own a blue Ram.
> Gonna be any noticeable ride diffs if I get a Roadeo?
> I do road riding with light loads.
> Just
At one time I owned a 60cm Ram and a 59cm Rom. I thought that the Rom was
heavier and kind of dead. I really liked the Ram, Great handling and a
lively feel. My Roadeo is a step above the Ram.
On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 1:48:03 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Please only those who have
Spoke with Bruce off-list a bit and he helped me track down this archive of
an old Riv web page that does indeed list the Ram tubing specs:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070513053057/http://rivbike.com/webalog/frames/50074.html
It's listed as .8/.5/.8 OS, exactly as Bruce said. Excitingly, that
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM Bruce Herbitter
wrote:
> Yes Kieran it’s .8/.5/.8
>
Hey Bruce, thanks for sharing that. Would you mind letting us know how you
came by that information?
Best,
Reed
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Too bad I didn't
Yes Kieran it’s .8/.5/.8
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's OS
> 8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe some
> day :-D
>
> KJ
>
>
>> On Tuesday,
Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's OS
8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe
some day :-D
KJ
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and
Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet
(and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I
haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one
Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:33 PM Fullylugged
wrote:
> Ram tubing is all Tohouku-Miyata. Heat treated DT & CS. Balance non heat
> treated.
> DT & TT .8/.5/.8 double butted
> ST 1.0/.6 butted
> HT .9
> SS .7 double tapered
> CS .8
> Forks 1.0
>
Great stuff, thanks for that. It lines up well
Ram tubing is all Tohouku-Miyata. Heat treated DT & CS. Balance non heat
treated.
DT & TT .8/.5/.8 double butted
ST 1.0/.6 butted
HT .9
SS .7 double tapered
CS .8
Forks 1.0
Inspired by the Longlow. designed for quick handling, credit card touring, 38
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Excellent information and everything I was hoping to know. Thanks so much
Lum! Great to have info from Grant himself.
Best,
Reed
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:24 PM Lum Gim Fong wrote:
> @Reed:
> But of course!
>
> Ram: from RivReader scan as posted on cyclofiend page.
> Roadini: from an email
@Reed:
But of course!
Ram: from RivReader scan as posted on cyclofiend page.
Roadini: from an email response from Grant
I had asked him about the differences between the Roadini, NewHomer, and
MUSARodeos because I wanted to get the lightest, fastest Rivbike model ever
made as I already had
Great info, thanks Lum. Might I ask where you're quoting from?
I found some (but not all) of that info here:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI_MAR_8.pdf
(Has a nice Roadeo vs Roadini section.)
I measured an AHH last night that had tapered butting. I measured three
times
Good question:
Having not ridden one could check out the tubing specs to guess from that.
Best we can know is, if I have copied all this correctly:
Ram:Reynolds/TrueTemper mix. 8/5/8 DT/TT, 9/6 ST, 1.0 FBlades, 16mm x .7
seatstays, .76 or .8 chainstays.
Roadini:
“0.9 x 0.7 TT and the length
It's nice to read this, however the roadeo is hard to come by and out of my
price range. I am curious how the ram would compare to the roadini, haven
ridden neither that fits me properly. Any thoughts on speed, steering,
comfort...?
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I switched to sub-compact doubles from Riv-standard triples some years ago
when I found that on my "sandy-dirt-biased" Fargo, although my 46/36/24 was
fine for pavement riding (almost all on the 46 and the 7 smallest of the 9
cogs), but that, when I went on mixed terrain rides with steeper hills
I guess I mean that with my 11-32 T, 8-speed cassette I can go anywhere in my
usual riding area with my 40T wide/low double big chain ring. Also my other
bikes 43 chain ring. I used to ride triples all the time but was happy to
discover I can get by with one chain ring and appropriate 8-speed
Good points or I thought are there rules? But even spinning for a few minutes
to recover must be faster than the near dead stops one often sees. Anyway, I've
always wondered about it. Has a pro ever ridden a triple in the big races?
Bill
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For one, triple cranks have wider tread / Q factor. Some people are sensitive
to even 5 mm differences, and racers are perhaps the most sensitive segment.
Plus greater chances of dropping chains, etc. etc. And time cut-offs...
spinning in a granny may be too slow to make it.
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I just see no reason not to go with a triple. I’ve got a 1x in traffic on my
middle ring not too badly cross chained all the way up and down where I can go
from a dead stop all the way up into the 20’s. I’ve got my granny for steep
hills or long climbs where I want a better chainline or I’m
I cheerfully recommend to anyone who rides only familiar routes to get a
wide/low double crankset with an outer chainring and cassette T-count combo
that enables you to go everywhere you usually ride in just the big ring,
and a 24 small ring for the steep stuff on routes you normally don't
On 09/22/2018 07:34 PM, Bill Schairer wrote:
I’ve ridden my son’s plastic bike and a friend’s Seven Ti, both far ligher than
anything I have with fancy wheels etc and, while I loved the Seven (perfect
fit) and hated the plastic (admittedly the fit was not great), I didn’t feel
faster on
“You must be a strong rider to be able to ride down the road without loads
effecting you.”
Lum,
I don’t really think so but I’ve never raced and almost always ride alone
except when touring and so don’t really have a lot of comparison points.
Sometimes others pass me and sometimes I pass
Bill,
You must be a strong rider to be able to ride down the road without loads
effecting you.
I am a weak rider so maybe that’s why I feel a difference.? I don’t know. When
I got the Roadeo I was expecting a slight difference but had no idea it was
going to be so vastly different.
Maybe
Thinking more clearly, one of the bikes that just "felt" right from the
beginning was a porky Herse -- earlier owners had dumped it because of its
(for them) excessively stout tubing. Despite the weight penalty, it was one
of those bikes that seemed to require a cog 1 tooth smaller. Too bad that
Max
The washed out photo of the Ram makes it look like a toy, to go on a
birthday cake.
MIke
On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 9:00:53 AM UTC-8, reynoldslugs wrote:
>
> I have both bikes, and have put them both through thousands of miles and a
>> variety of equipment iterations. Not much
Lum,
It would seem the case is closed! Not that it wasn’t for you already. Now,
should I be happy with my ignorant bliss or try to convince my wife I need to
keep searching? I hope that isn’t sounding sarcastic because, if so, it is not
intended. It may just be that I’m not capable of
Patrick,
Admittedly, my experience with different bikes is limited compared to many but,
between the two bikes I ride regularly, there is probably a 10 lb or so
difference and they both go just fine. The lighter one is set up with granny
half step gearing and so is easier to get just the
The Ram and Rodeo have the same exact cassette model and toothcounts.
Ram has 40T XD2big ring.
Roadeo 43 XD2 big ring.
I only use big rings on both. No front derailers on the bikes.
I am consistantly in higher cassette gears on Roadeo on same routes, even
though it has a bigger T count big ring.
Bill, test ride a carbon racer with all the gears you could possibly want, a
Wally World bike-shapped-object with all the gears you could possibly want, and
a Quickbeam with a gear you’d want (plus LCG, of course), and tell me if you
agree with yourself. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
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What about gearing? Are they identically geared? To me, the gearing is what
makes a bike feel sluggish or not. If I’ve got the right gears for how I feel,
the terrain, the weather, the load all feels good. The same bike can feel
great one day and not the next depending on conditions. All
53 Bleriot
55 Bleriot
52 blue Sam
54 Ram
53 Roadeo
I used 6cm stems on all but 55 Bleriot, which used 7cm stem. Coulda used a 6.
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This is a great comparison. Thank you. I am curious are the bikes sized the
same way? I only ask because I find a smaller fitting bike can feel faster to
me.
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Update:
So I have enjoyed the 700c ride so much on the Roadeo that I converted the Ram
back to 700c to see if I was cheating the Ram out of zippiness by having it
650b. As a side note, R559 will work fine as 700c on Rambouillet, so I am
leaving the longreaches on it. Looks like might be better
Ram:
https://flic.kr/p/ZYcEv4
https://flic.kr/p/26MkcTx
Roadeo: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmpG4rwT
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My riding is 22 mile round trip commutes.
Roadeo is for nice weather, light rain. Banana sax size load only.
650b Rambouillet is for any weather/winter riding. Now fendered with front
rack and dyno lights and Berthoud bag for extra layers/jacket in winter,
etc.
Over the spring and summer I had
Do these bikes serve different purposes for you?
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Would you be up for a ride report using the Roadeo wheels on the Ram?
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You should swap the wheels and calipers now.
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*Update:*
Now that I own both I can chime in for others' to read in the future.
I love both of these bikes equally.
Both have similar Nitto/Sugino Riv-ish builds. Wheelsets very different.
*Handling:*
700cx 32 Roadeo handles better than 650bx 42 Rambouillet.
Ram is slower to turn in on fast
Max, awesome builds, both bikes look great! Someday I'll have a Roadeo!
Thanks for sharing,
JohnS
On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 12:00:53 PM UTC-5, reynoldslugs wrote:
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>
> I have both bikes, and have put them both through thousands of miles and a
>> variety of equipment iterations. Not
> I have both bikes, and have put them both through thousands of miles and a
> variety of equipment iterations. Not much difference between them (see
> caveat below).
>
Roadeo:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625293944684
>
Rambouillet:
My dentist and my ortho love it when I do my blind tests.
On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 8:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I want to watch that blindfolded test ride where you try to tell the
> difference.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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That was really funny. Made me snort my tea.
On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 8:08:50 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I want to watch that blindfolded test ride where you try to tell the
> difference.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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A poncho test might be safer. Less entertaining/stressful.
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 5:08:50 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I want to watch that blindfolded test ride where you try to tell the
> difference.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
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PS- light loads means Bethroud GB25 or Sackville Bartube only.
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