[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Mark Reimer
I'm a bit confused - I have two sets of Phil single speed hubs, both with white industries freewheels on them, and I've used a plain ol Shimano BMW freewheel remover to get them off. I remove the axle bolt, put the tool on, and then thread the axle bolt back in to keep the tool engaged and not

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread David Banzer
I think folks are putting single speed freewheels on hubs designed for multi-speed freewheels, then having difficult getting the tool over the axle. David Chicago On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:15:29 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: > > I'm a bit confused - I have two sets of Phil single

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Mark Reimer
Oops, should say BMX, not BMW. After wintering the motorcycle my mind is stuck elsewhere... On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:15:29 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: > > I'm a bit confused - I have two sets of Phil single speed hubs, both with > white industries freewheels on them, and I've used

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread George Schick
Mark - Yep, you've got it exactly. I'm just trying to figure out an easy way to get the BMX freewheel tool on there without having to remove the axle caps. I have several SS freewheels and I like to interchange them occasionally, depending on riding conditions. You're solution works just

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
The Park FR-6 has a large through hole and clears anything up to 16mm in diameter. Here's a link: http://www.parktool.com/product/freewheel-remover-fr-6 The BMX freewheel removal tool I have barely fits over a normal threaded axle. So when I had to pull the FW on my Phil Hub I had to roll

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
I believe the "chubby protuberance" is also known as the "axle cap". On 11/18/2015 06:49 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: I'm envisioning it's a hub not unlike this one. That chubby

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread George Schick
Yup. On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 5:49:42 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > > > I'm envisioning it's a hub not unlike this one. That chubby protuberance > on the right is >16mm in

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread George Schick
Mark - per the PDF I embedded in an earlier reply, PW shows the axle caps (they call "end caps" in their PDF) unscrewing from the "axle," i.e., the internal device against which the insides of the sealed bearings rest. You can certainly unscrew the DS "end cap" in order to fit a BMX freewheel

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'm envisioning it's a hub not unlike this one. That chubby protuberance on the right is >16mm in diameter, so it has to be removed in order to allow you to slide the Park Tool on. A

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
The OP actually suggests the FR-6 isn't big enough. My link says up to 16mm, so maybe his Phil hubs axle caps are larger than 16mm? On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Oh you know what, that is the tool I have. I guess it's not Shimano. > Definitely

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Mark Reimer
Oh you know what, that is the tool I have. I guess it's not Shimano. Definitely the Park tool! On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > The Park FR-6 has a large through hole and clears anything up to 16mm in > diameter. Here's a link: > >

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread George Schick
Yeah, as I said in one of my replies on this thread, the "standard" 120mm road axle caps measure 18.87mm, which is way too wide for the FR-6 to fit over them. One has to remove at least the DS axle cap in order to get the FR-6 (and presumably anyone else's tool, as well) to work. That's why

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Mark Reimer
Just for my own clarity's sake - when you say axle cap - are you referring to the bolt that tightens the hub into the frame? Or are you referring to the axle piece on the inside of the frame, which the bolts thread into? On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:50 PM, George Schick wrote: >

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Peter Adler
A little rooting around on Phil's site yesterday reveals that Phil Wood makes a BMX-specific hubset (100/110mm axles). For all I know, they may very well have made similar hubsets since the early '80s. I would assume that the purpose-built BMX rear hub(s) are designed to accept standard BMX

Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-18 Thread Mark Reimer
I'm using their standard track rear hubs. One is on my surly steamroller with 120mm spacing. The other is on a CX SS bike with 130mm spacing. Never had a problem removing my freewheels, so long as I took the axle bolt out. On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Peter Adler wrote:

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread Peter Adler
Nope. None of the readily-available BMX freewheel removers fit over the Phil axle - and I've bought and failed with several of them. I bought an MA2 wheel with a Phil hub off eBay several years back, and got it cheap because the seller had foolishly threaded a White Industries

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread William deRosset
Dear George, Can you pull the DS and leave the NDS (my non-track end-cap-swappable Phil hubs are in VT these days, or I'd check) in place to locate the QR? All the QR needs is to provide some preload to hold the splines prongs/splines in place until the freewheel shifts a bit. Alternatively,

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread George Schick
Will - your advice is exactly how i do it. Then, since the axle cap can't be reinstalled with the BMX tool in there, I shore it up with a couple of fender washers to support it on the DS. I have also thought about your suggestion to bore out the hole on the FR-6 tool to fit over the axle cap

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread George Schick
@#$%!! Fingered the previous. Here's what I started to say: I suspect that when your PW hub arrived back at their factory they just removed the axle cap and used a standard BMX freewheel tool to remove it. This is not difficult to do on their FSA hubs, but it's just an extra pain to have to

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread George Schick
I suspect that when your PW hub arrived back at their factory they just removed the axle cap and used a standard BMX On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 6:53:08 PM UTC-6, Peter Adler wrote: > > Nope. None of the readily-available BMX freewheel removers fit over the > Phil axle - and I've bought

[RBW] Re: Single Speed Freewheel Removal

2015-11-17 Thread George Schick
Curiosity got the best of me so I went down to the shop to take some actual measurements. The opening on the FR-6 is 15.29mm; the PW axle cap diameter is 18.87mm. So milling out the tool to about 19mm may not involve removing as critical an amount of material as I feared. I think I might go