[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Thanks, Nick. That’s good information. I honestly can’t imagine a bike being more stable than my Expedition. It rides like an 80s DeVille. Classy and solid. No phantom shifts, etc. But then, I’ve never taken it on a loaded tour yet. Still, I think there may well be a Sam or a Homer in my

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

First, I'll say "ditto" to everything Drw said. I owned an 84 expedition before purchasing my current canti-sam with double top tube. I used the expedition as a commuter for a while before taking it on a tour from Edmonton to Missoula. It performed fine fully loaded, but I found it a little

Re: [RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

The tire clearance issue is huge if there’s a chance you’ll tires that side (like above 40.) With its ability to take Big Ben 50’s, even under sidepull brakes, and knobby Cazadero 42’s, I have used my Hillborne as a mountain bike. I feel like that bike doubles as uncompromised road and

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

I briefly had an 84 expedition and older Sam hillborne at the same time. Not an AHH, but I believe Grant said there are no functional differences in the two, especially when they were both sidepull. Anyway. I thought the expedition and hillborne were really similar. Hillborne was a 2 top tube

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Hello Posters! I am currently struggling (2+ years later) with the same question as the OP here. I’m looking at an AHH and it’s looking at me and I’m wondering if there could be a love connection, BUT I already have an 83 Expedition set up like I would a Hilsen, and I’m wondering how alike

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Hmm. That's interesting. I recently passed up an opportunity to buy a 56cm Expedition frame (this after I'd already purchased my 60cm one), and lost much sleep thinking that I should dump the 60 and go for what I had assumed was my perfect size of 56. However, if your 54 fits your 80 PBH,

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Does the Expedition have standard Diameter tubing (1" top tube, 1 1/8" downtube). I would think that would make a huge difference in the flexiness / livelyness of the frame even if it had a fairly thick wall. -Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Phil, It's the very shallow BB drop that those frames have. 2.8cm vs. 8cm. on most 700c riv models that raises the stand over so much. Even 2 cm. feels like alot to me so 5+ even moreso, that's mtb like. I had never ridden a bike with such a low BB as my Bomba so now when I ride a higher BB

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Kevin, I too hope that frame fits. I have an '83 Expedition I dearly love and have put many fully-loaded miles on it over the past decade. I have a PBH of around 80 and typically ride a 53-54 cm frame. My Expedition is a 54 and with 700 x 35 Paselas it's got the tallest top tube from the ground

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Like so much in bikes, it all depends. My Hunq is a 54, per Rivendell's recommendation, and I find that to be just about correct, although that might reflect the fact that the Hunq has a downward sloping top tube. My Moots Vamoots (a great bike) is a 57.5, and fits like the proverbial glove,

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

You have an Expedition and a Miyata and an AHH? I'm envious. I have the geometries for all of them, but am curious as to the ride differences. If you would, please let us know what you find when you finish your AHH build, i.e. does it handle like an Expedition and, if not, where do you see

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

With an 87.5, in most cases that would put your SH around 76, 77cm, which would be fine for 60cm, even non-sloping. 54-55 would generally be way small for that PBH, even for a racer. Maybe part of the discrepancy is you are measuring center to center 55cm, which would be more like 56-57 center

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

I have a 1986 Specialized Expedition, a 1986 Miyata 1000, and am building up a new A. Homer Hilsen as we speak! I can compare geometries if that is helpful, and should be able to compare and contrast ride qualities shortly. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

On 03/03/2017 03:39 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote: Thanks for the info - I'm really looking forward to finishing the Expedition and taking it out. Already 90% built up, it feels very light (at least, compared to my Hunqapillar, which is a tank by anyone's definition), and it's not clear how much I

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

I'm also concerned about the frame size. I bought this one 'cause the price was really, really good and the frame was in excellent shape. It's a 60cm, and for most bikes I ride something in the 54-55cm range (my PBH is 87.5 or so). However, Riv recommends a 59 or 61cm AHH for my PBH, so I'm

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Thanks for the info - I'm really looking forward to finishing the Expedition and taking it out. Already 90% built up, it feels very light (at least, compared to my Hunqapillar, which is a tank by anyone's definition), and it's not clear how much I can load it without affecting the handling

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Kevin, I have an '83 Expedition (65cm) that has 73.5/73.5 angles and a surprisingly lively ride. Moreso than the 60cm HIllborne I owned briefly. However, with a rear load my Expedition sways quite noticeably when you're pedaling hard. Moving the load amidships and upfront makes it behave much

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

Those Miyatas were and still are excellent touring bikes and very well- made. I saw a couple of them when I rode with a touring club in the 80's. Nice bikes as were the early Specialized Expeditions. Touring Cannondales ( I owned one T700, I think) were great for loaded touring too I think

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

I have a sister to your Expedition, an '84 Miyata 1000. I'm the original owner. AFAIK Miyata built the Expedition's for Spec. The geo differs just a bit, mostly in the steeper ST angle of the Spec. The actual geo of my Miyata is very close to that of an AHH in the same size. I have not

[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

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