[RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-11 Thread Chris Lampe 2
I don't have any experience with real mountain bikes but I've ridden two 700c bikes that were very similar in their set-up on rough dirt. One has a trail measurement of 74 and the other has 61mm of trail. I rode both bikes with the same wheelset/tire combo on the same terrain and areas where

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'll love to see pictures when you do it. On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 4:09:01 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: > > No, I'm getting the bike from Cycle Monkey, 'cause they're experienced > with Rohloffs and belts, and they have people they work with. > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Bill Li

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Anne Paulson
No, I'm getting the bike from Cycle Monkey, 'cause they're experienced with Rohloffs and belts, and they have people they work with. On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Anne > > If you decide to go belted, you'll take your new frame to the local > framebuilder for a seatstay

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Lindsay
Anne If you decide to go belted, you'll take your new frame to the local framebuilder for a seatstay splitter installation? Do you have a tradesperson in mind? On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:30:11 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote: >

[RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread iamkeith
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16:08 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote: > > Interesting the iamkeith found the Krampus to be "nimble." > > I actually haven't tried it. This is just what others seem to be saying - like Eric, above. (maybe this is what you meant, though) Like you, I'm still scratch

[RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Mojo
Actually the Krampus does not have more fork rake to offset the slack headtube angle. I did some measurements awhile back but can't find them now. As I remember the Krampus has trail values in the 90s! I find this to be bizarre. Surly designs are smart and well thought out. I am just not unders

[RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread iamkeith
On Monday, December 9, 2013 1:09:14 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > > I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except > I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... > maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan tires

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Eric: Coming from a fellow Niner rider (I ride an MCR), I'd better believe it. Great write-up (especially like the snow photos). I actually ran into a few R&D dudes from Surly at the Fruita Fat Tire festival in April. We had just finished a thrill ride on Zippity-Doo-Dah and ran into these g

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-10 Thread Christian
Dear Anne et al, Take a look at this thorough review of the ECR; it's excellent and makes many valuable comparisons to the Krampus which should help you (or anyone) decide b/w the two. http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/dissecting-the-surly-ecr/ Best wishes, Christian On Monday,

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Eric Daume
Anne, I'm 6'3 and could manage the Large Krampus, but the XL would be better. The top tube on these run pretty long, so I would guess Medium. Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: > I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as > I decide which one

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Compare the geometry charts from Surly's site with your Riv geometry chart. That's what I've done to figure out what size I need to test ride, so I don't have a positive outcome yet. Based on that, I am an XL for either Surly, with a PBH of 90 and a 62 Hunqapillar. With abandon, Patrick On Mon

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Anne Paulson
I'm pulling the trigger on either a Krampus or an ECR, just as soon as I decide which one and whether I'm going for a belt drive or a chain. And I'm going to have a great time riding the new bike, whichever one it is. How would I choose the size? I test rode an XL Krampus, which was clearly too bi

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Eric Daume
I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a mountain bike with a 74* head angle. http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html My bike fund is in some danger... Eric

[RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

2013-12-09 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan tires)... still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For downhill