I'm in the queue for something relatively light (in the Rivendell
sense - not the MCRB sense) and nimble.
I have nothing against frames without decals - but I am looking
forward to having a custom bike with the Rivendell headbadge, Joe Bell
paint job, etc.
Corwin
I bought a Riv Road frame in 94/95. This was before there was a custom
option. It's made from 753 tubing. It rides GREAT. I use it on
randonneuring rides and have done as much as 600 km on it (in under 40
hours) Though Grant likes the english style of rear cycle bag (as do
I) I use a canvas
on 10/27/09 2:12 PM, Mike at mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't fork trail one of those taboo subjects like politics and carbon
bashing?
Among some groups perhaps, but I have high hopes for our ability to keep
things in perspective. ;^)
- J
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I don't know Jim, it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know we'll be
discussing planing...
On Oct 28, 10:28 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
on 10/27/09 2:12 PM, Mike at mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't fork trail one of those taboo subjects like politics and carbon
I'm of the same mind as Benz. I don't think what I'm looking for will
conflict with GP's design philosphy. The frame I'm basing my requests
on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron with Jan Heine's input as a
consultant. One of my favorite features is the 80mm bottom bracket
drop which seems
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 10:57 -0700, Jeff wrote:
Doug, you make interesting points about French constructeur forks
designed for low trail so as to handle well with a front load. The
fork rake on my Heron is 4.3 cm. What do you think about that with
regard to trail? The bike handles fine
Hey Jeff,
4.3cm is not a lot of fork rake. I think a lot of the low trail bikes have
6cm or so. I am pretty sure the Heron Randonneur was Tod Kuzma's project
and that the geometry was not tweaked to account for the front rack. I
think he basically spec'ed the frame with racks and fenders
Thanks for the link, Steve!
I've got a Huret Duo-par (which handles 13-32 just fine) on my
Hetchins and wanted to try something else retro for the new build. I
appreciate your input about the V-GT. The research will continue.
Jeff
On Oct 27, 1:08 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
Okay, so it was a Kuzma project? I think I got the last of these from
Todd in May 2007 as he was shutting down Heron. It looks to me like
most production Rivendells (except the Ram) tend to have more rake
(like 5 or 5.2) than I'm used to, so I may well get improved handling
with a bag, though
When I was looking for a custom, I talked to 3 builders all were OK
with leaving the d/t and seat tube markings off the bikes.
I did decide to have the markings put on, the design of the bike
just looked better with them.
There was an interesting article in the NYT recently about how brands
on 10/27/09 10:49 AM, Jeff at newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
Okay, so it was a Kuzma project? I think I got the last of these from
Todd in May 2007 as he was shutting down Heron. It looks to me like
most production Rivendells (except the Ram) tend to have more rake
(like 5 or 5.2) than
The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron
with Jan Heine's input as a
consultant.
Did Grant and Jan Heine ever work together on any projects? Those are
two good bicycle minds but also two very opinionated minds as well.
It sure would have been fun to listen
Isn't fork trail one of those taboo subjects like politics and carbon
bashing?
On Oct 27, 1:32 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
on 10/27/09 10:49 AM, Jeff at newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
Okay, so it was a Kuzma project? I think I got the last of these from
Todd in May
Here's a recent interview Bicycle Times did with Jan Heine. It's good.
http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/content/interview-bicycle-quarterlys-jan-heine
On Oct 27, 2:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
The frame I'm basing my requests on was (I believe) a Grant designed Heron
with
Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell.
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf
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Oops. This reply should be for Joel.
Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell.
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf
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On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 15:23 -0700, Rene Valbuena wrote:
Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a Rivendell.
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/BQRandonneurBike.pdf
Jan also wrote several articles for Riv Reader. I'm not sure either
qualifies as collaboration.
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 15:22 -0700, Mike wrote:
Here's a recent interview Bicycle Times did with Jan Heine. It's good.
http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/content/interview-bicycle-quarterlys-jan-heine
Excellent article. Thanks!
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I had no idea. Maybe that means somewhere in a Hollywood vault exists
a film called Stagecoach to Nashville
Thanks for the links.
On Oct 27, 5:29 pm, Rene Valbuena valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Oops. This reply should be for Joel.
Yes, they did collaborate. One of Jan's rando bikes was a
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
I've got a NOS Suntour V-GT Luxe rear derailleur (which Frank Berto
speaks highly of in The Dancing Chain) for the 7 speed drive train.
It was fine in its day, a revelation compared to the likes of the
Campagnolo
Joel,
While I know Jan served as a consultant in the design of the
Heron Randonneur (mentions it in BQ vol. 4 review), from the
information I'm gathering from this thread, I'm thinking he worked
with Todd Kuzma. The last thing I want to do is spread misinformation
here. I was assuming that
On Oct 24, 12:54 am, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote:
I believe Grant prefer rear racks but I'm hoping he'll design a frame/fork
suitable for a Berthoud or Acorn front bag; perhaps Grant and Mark
(Nobilette) may even consent to brazing up a simple custom front rack. :) .
.. .
Finally, and
Howdy folks.
Unless there has been some fairly recent and radical change, a Riv Custom
isn't really custom. It is Grant's design for you, tweaked within limits
to your preferences. I know of at least one Custom from the Curt Goodrich
days that was built with braze-ons for centerpull brakes and
Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that
you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW
gestalt.
Copy/paste from the notes:
I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it, want it,
and use it. But
All depends on how far you take the ³values and style² aspect, right?
I¹m not sure how a low-trail fork compromises Riv¹s values and style. It¹s
not like asking for a dayglo time trial bike, right?
Ultimately, seems like a question that only a phone call or e-mail to Grant
can answer though.
I chose a specific builder because I wanted their ideas, aesthetics,
etc. applied to a bike designed for my size, weight and riding style.
These ideas and practices (craft, material, weld-style, etc) are what
truly distinguish builders from one another. If you have very strong
ideas (that you're
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote:
I chose a specific builder because I wanted their ideas, aesthetics,
etc. applied to a bike designed for my size, weight and riding style.
These ideas and practices (craft, material, weld-style, etc) are what
truly
To be fair I think some folks who want a custom do NOT want the
builder to put their name on it. They just want a very specific frame
built and to have it.
Not all products are about advertising. To be sure, if I ever have a
custom frame built the custom feature I will not bend on is that
Not even a stamp?No names or logos seems like a pretty strict
requirement for an artisan to adhere to.I only say this because I
wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to
was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would
*not* look at a
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
Not even a stamp? No names or logos seems like a pretty strict
requirement for an artisan to adhere to. I only say this because I
wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to
was a
I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for
their skill and time.
-sv
Interesting perspective Seth but what you describe seems to devalue
the role of the craftsperson/builder in the process. Does your boycott
of logos and names include headbadges? Craftspeople throughout
When Joe Bell painted my '72 Cinelli, we opted to leave his
traditional JB logo off, since it wasn't correct for the period.
―Eric Norris
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On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike
When I had my Blacksheep allrounder done, I asked James to leave all
stickers off and just went with a headbadge. Seemed like a nice compromise
to me of making the frame identifiable in a subtle way, while avoiding the
feeling of riding on a billboard between wheels.
Dustin
From: Seth Vidal
Craftspeople throughout time have marked their work in one way or another.
Heck yeah. Michelangelo even signed a ceiling he painted for the
Vatican.
On Oct 26, 1:38 pm, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not paying someone to advertise for them. I'm paying them for
their skill and
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
Craftspeople throughout time have marked their work in one way or another.
Heck yeah. Michelangelo even signed a ceiling he painted for the
Vatican.
I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a
When Joe Bell painted my '72 Cinelli, we opted to leave his
traditional JB logo off, since it wasn't correct for the period.
That makes a lot of sense, as the intent was to return something to
what it was, not recreate it.
Per my post above, the team of artisans who restored the Sistine
I wouldn't buy a custom without the builders name on it.If I put out
that kind of money I want it right. Word of mouth can either be the
best or worst advertising anybody or any business can have. Would you
fabricate a frame and hang your name on it if somebody would bad mouth
it? This is the age
I recall in an early Rivendell Reader an installment of Who Rides a
Rivendell (owners their bikes), with a gentlemen who had a black
Rivendell with no downtube decals (don't recall if it had a headbadge
or not) as a theft deterent. I believe it was his commuter bike.
Angus
On Oct 26, 2:40 pm,
I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo.
right?
That was an era both before logos were used and people signing things
was common. Michelangelo's signature, plus his using buddies' faces
on angels was his logo.
On Oct 26, 3:03 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:03 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo.
right?
That was an era both before logos were used and people signing things
was common. Michelangelo's signature, plus his using buddies'
Seth,
I respect your position even if I don't share it. With regard to
Rivendell, I think the logos on the custom frames are works of art but
hey, I am a designer and typophile. Clearly this is a major issue with
you and I hope that when you do get a custom frame built you are able
to find a
I'm sure everyone can see the difference between a signature and a logo.
right?
Now we're splitting hairs. On a Trek, I think you have a point. On a
Rivendell, the badge and logos are a signature. Modern logos are
derivative of artisan, trade and craftsperson symbols (trade marks?)
which
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote:
Seth,
I respect your position even if I don't share it.
Thanks - you'll note I'm not saying everyone should agree with me. :)
-sv
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Angus, that sounds a lot like this Atlantis I recently saw locked up
in San Francisco: http://www.flickr.com/photos/natan/4014990734.
It definitely does look less fancy theft appealing when you remove
the decals and standard cream-on-green-lug-highlighting paint job, but
the bike still looks
I remember that. He wanted it to be a stealth commuter.
DE
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I recall in an early Rivendell Reader an installment of Who Rides a
Rivendell (owners their bikes), with a gentlemen who had a black
Rivendell with no downtube
On Oct 26, 9:34 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
Grant says exactly that in his notes on custom bike ordering. He suggests that
you look at Rivs carefully to be sure that your interests align with the RBW
gestalt.
I absolutely listen to your wishes and input, and in fact require it,
Interesting idea about decals/logos, Seth. When I had my Atlantis SS
coupled, I had it powdercoated black, with no decals or headbadges. I
don't mind a tasteful decal or logo, but in this case I was going for
a stealth appearance. It turns out to be a pretty striking bike
without any logos, and
The mention of Mercian, reminded me of another option, while it's not
a GP designed frame, is lugged, full custom steel, to your spec and is
from France. About an eight week turn. For that matter, one could get
onto this, ride it for a couple years while awaiting their Riv.
Cyfac's VINTAGE is
I'm in the queue for a randonneur style frame. I put in the paper
work in May and am about 1/3 paid off (hopefully 1/2 after next month)
so I'm glad there's a good long wait remaining. For the longest time
I thought I wanted a Herse, but after picking up the entire run of the
Reader, I realized
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
7 speed dishless Phil wheels
Is this with a freewheel or freehub? Does Rivendell sell these built up? I
think I want this.
Horace.
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
7 speed dishless Phil wheels
Is this with a freewheel or freehub? Does Rivendell sell these built up? I
think I want this.
These would be the
Who is doing the custom Rivendells these days? It isn't still Mark
Nobilette, is it? My impression is that he is pretty busy with his bikes
and the Rene Hearse bikes...
Doug
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
So I'm curious if anyone on this list is waiting on
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
7 speed dishless Phil wheels
Is this with a freewheel or freehub?
I'm in the queue. Have been for 2 years. Mark N. is still building the
frames. I am getting a 700c drop barred Riv with clearance for 38s
with fenders. The build will be Riv spec including silver velocity
rims, King hubs, sidepull brakes, DA bar-end shifters, Nitto bar-stem-
post, etc. The color
How did you pick up the entire run of the Reader? I see some for sale
for $4 each on rivbike, but no mention of how to get the entire run.
How much does that run? Is it printed or all pdf?
Thanks!
On Oct 23, 11:04 am, Jeff newbe...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
but after picking up the entire run of
So Brad, I imagine you paid the price that a custom sold for at the
time you placed the order right? Congrats on the impending arrival of
the bike and be sure to post some pictures of it.
It's really too bad that Rivendell never got together a frame shop
like Bilenky, Indpenpendent or Mercian.
guess one would use an IRD freewheel with the Phil hub.
Perhaps. Some great NOS Regina and Suntour Winner Ultra freewheels
show up on eBay regularly. Worth considering.
On Oct 23, 12:28 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Bill Connell
I'm on the list for more than a year now. I spoke to Mark the last
time I was at RBWHQ and he said my number will be up at the end of the
year. I am somewhat surprised because I had expected a longer wait
when I first signed up. Regardless, I'm very excited, and have both a
running list of
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