Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-03 Thread Deacon Patrick
Use it if you've got it when you need it, aye Tom?! My little route is a kiddie sand box! With abandon, Patrick On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 6:23:34 AM UTC-6, Tom Harrop wrote: A couple of times I've lost my cool when drivers have yelled at me... I wouldn't hurt a fly but on those occasions

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-03 Thread Patrick Moore
I'd love to see a video of that! On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Tom Harrop twhar...@gmail.com wrote: A couple of times I've lost my cool when drivers have yelled at me... I wouldn't hurt a fly but on those occasions being 6'5 and beardy, and swearing in broad Australian has led to a rapid

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-03 Thread Tom Harrop
I live in the South of France where the streets are narrow, drivers are crazy and there are no cyclists or bike facilities. My daily commute takes me past a university complete with kids opening their doors, parking whilst talking on the phone (people really do touch park here, and if they

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
I think Patrick did the right thing. And I bristle at the idea that a cyclist should have to change his or her route or schedule to make sure that they aren't in school zones at the wrong time, or on Main Street when the shift ends. That is why there are traffic laws. One of my more shameful

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread hsmitham
Deacon, Under those circumstances yes it's appropriate to take the lane. Erl, such sage advice. Deacon, sometimes you can do everything right and still anger someone! Some folks just have a nasty disposition, in which case refer back to Erl's non engagement policy. I've thrown the three

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread David Banzer
Patrick, Bummer about the incident. Most of the time, figuring out routes to places is trial and error. Now you know to pick another way. I've fine-tuned my commute, taking a rarely used road behind a shopping center and hauling my bike up a flight of stairs by a bridge - this cuts out the most

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread John
Patrick, you did right, but be careful. Some people hit cyclists on purpose when they get that angry. My wife is always making hand gestures to other drivers, but I have to keep reminding her that if I don't understand her hand gestures, most people will just think she's rude. When I was a

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread Patrick Moore
I had a similar and refreshing experience: beater car passes me, two kids in it (damn 30-somethings, mutter snarl mutter grumble mutter), slows, I immediately go into defensive/agressive mode -- You have a problem?. Driving kid says, No! Just thought you have a neat bike! Have a nice day! I

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Indeed, Hugh. Though I have no sure way to test it as I'd be surprised to learn I've ever done everything right. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread Garth
Deacon Patrick, there is just nothin' like the smell, sight and of a fresh runnin' creek in the mountains on a sunny winters day , nuttin' ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado
PAtrick, Sorry about your encounter that I know from experience upsets the pleasure of a ride on a sunny day. I would of taken the lane without the three finger jesture... You can't win against a 8,000 Lb truck . I'm glad you made it home safely to report your experience. I would certainly

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
My wife and I worked out a route that avoids the school zone, so I can avoid it when needed. Ran an errand for Seder wine (that we thought we had but didn't) for today. A grand Scottish misty ride with snell (frozen rain/snow). https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/17009306752/ Thanks for

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-02 Thread Garth
On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 7:39:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: Oh Garth Yes . . . my family used to say that alot , ahahaha. Not so much anymore, they know the Truth also . And speaking of big ol' white pickups . . . . what

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Patrick Moore
He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning. Oh Garth On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Be ever conscious of Truth Absolute : no harm can touch my being . Pay no mind to any other . This is not just some silly affirmation nor is it intended to

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Anton Tutter
Patrick nailed it. Convince drivers you are a part of traffic, and convince cyclists to adhere to traffic laws. And referring to the guy in the truck as a 'young 40-something' made me feel good that I'm still 'young'. Anton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Patrick Moore
The young 40-something I came across was driving a big white pickup ... On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:19 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, the three fingers was probably the only thing wrong in the situation. And what is it with white pickups? Our local elementary has a bike

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Deacon Patrick
Sorry. No pic., so it didn't happen. It just looked like TourSacks and a ShopSack strapped on top. Paleo food is dense food. Grin. No produce on this trip. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Patrick: the List Demands To See a photo of your Hunq loaded with 50 lb of groceries. Thanks. Patrick Moore, who has topped out at 45 lb (but on a *toute* 531 *legere* frame and 12 oz rack!). On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Excellent point on the

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Bill
As others have implied holding up three fingers says to some read between the lines. The good Deacon is the last guy I ever expect to convey that message. I say take the lane as it already belongs to you and if someone wants to argue the point open with a God bless you, brother, how can I

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread RonaTD
I've ridden many km's over the last few years with a randonneuring/commuting buddy, and I try hard to emulate his remarkable poise and grace in the face of absurd driver behavior. He just smiles and waves at everyone, regardless of whether they've been polite or impolite. Based on your

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Justin August
As a teacher is say the best thing to do is to avoid schools at dismissal. Parents have unreasonable road rage when it comes to other people picking up their children, no matter the age. We all need to have a bit of a slower pace in our life but the school pickup zone is not where I'm going to

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread cyclotourist
Yeah, the three fingers was probably the only thing wrong in the situation. And what is it with white pickups? Our local elementary has a bike train of kids going in. One day a white pickup driver (possibly the same one as yours, he must get around) freaked out, and starting cussing out one of

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Philip Williamson
No kidding on the white pickups. I'd do the same as Patrick, but with two fewer fingers. I engage, maybe I shouldn't. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread dougP
Here's a 40 lb bag of birdseed on an Atlantis (not mine). So I'll believe Deacon Patrick's claim of 50 lbs on a Hunqapillar. Seems reasonable. dougP On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 4:46:06 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Sorry. No pic., so it didn't happen. It just looked like TourSacks and

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Deacon Patrick
Excellent point on the fingers, Steve. I hadn't thought of that! Erl, you are likely right. I forget we are a society that views interaction as an act of aggression now, even in small mountain towns. Yes, I normally miss school times, though I tend to forget all about them, but the timing of

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread JohnS
1st off, you did the right thing taking the lane in that situation. When I'm on my game, I try to follow the golden rule, to avoid road rage, don't engage. Sometimes easier said then done. Good idea to always keep both hands on the bars, least someone confuses your gesture. I smile when

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Deacon Patrick
I had no idea that read between the lines was a thing with three fingers. What a sheltered life I lead! Good to know I (mostly) did the right thing. Yes, becoming one with traffic is the best way wherever it can be done safely. The trick is this stretch is one I ofter ride because the main

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Ron Mc
if it gets ugly, or if I'm holding up two cars with no clear on a twisty road, I pull off the road and let them go On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 5:27:55 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: On this afternoon’s grocery run (5 miles up the pass empty, 5 down loaded) I got yelled at for the first

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread dougP
Given all those conditions, taking the lane was the correct and safest strategy. If the truck driver had any problem, hopefully he'll get over it. In many states, school zone speed limits are enforced seriously, so he really shouldn't have been going much faster than a bicycle. FWIW, I try

[RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Garth
Be ever conscious of Truth Absolute : no harm can touch my being . Pay no mind to any other . This is not just some silly affirmation nor is it intended to be. This is Truth and there is no other. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Would you take the lane?

2015-04-01 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 04/01/2015 06:52 PM, Garth wrote: Be ever conscious of Truth Absolute : no harm can touch my being . Pay no mind to any other . This is not just some silly affirmation nor is it intended to be. This is Truth and there is no other. -- You received this message because