Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-06-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 06/04/2015 06:21 AM, Richard wrote: Its my primary bike now. If I could only have one, the Lyon would be it. Although it took me awhile to get used to its front-end geometry, now I prefer the handling. The 42mm tires are the icing on the cake. Perhaps you should post a photo of it, and

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-06-04 Thread Richard
Its my primary bike now. If I could only have one, the Lyon would be it. Although it took me awhile to get used to its front-end geometry, now I prefer the handling. The 42mm tires are the icing on the cake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-06-04 Thread Richard
OK, I will Steve. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-06-03 Thread Richard
I own a Boulder RS and a Rivendell Homer Hilsen. They are very different bikes. The Boulder has skinny lightweight tubing (7-4-7 tt) and planes very well for me. The Hilsen has OS tubing with thicker diameters, and is more difficult to plane. I use the Hilsen, fitted with 40mm tires, primarily

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-06-03 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 06/03/2015 09:21 AM, Richard wrote: I own a Boulder RS and a Rivendell Homer Hilsen. They are very different bikes. The Boulder has skinny lightweight tubing (7-4-7 tt) and planes very well for me. The Hilsen has OS tubing with thicker diameters, and is more difficult to plane. I use the

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-06-02 Thread Philip Kim
Good to hear. Just ordered my first Rivendell...the black and cream Sam. Definitely plan to ride it to the ground, but it can see it being the other way around... On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: Hear hear! If you can only get one, a Sam is a good

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-06-02 Thread Ron Mc
congratulations - looking forward to photos. On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote: Good to hear. Just ordered my first Rivendell...the black and cream Sam. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-29 Thread Tom Virgil
Skinny. On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 8:58:42 PM UTC-7, Darin G. wrote: My research on this topic suggests the Boulder really shines with the skinny lightweight tubing. Are the Boulder owners here riding the skinny bikes or the regular tubing? Does the praise for the Boulder's ride apply

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread William deRosset
Hi, All, Links to the two Boulder bikes discussed: recent Allroad: https://goo.gl/7K83Ch Road Sport: https://goo.gl/gbKP5O Apologies for the photography. Best, Will On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:54:02 PM UTC-6, William deRosset wrote: Dear Sam, Warning: I helped design one of the

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread William deRosset
Dear Sam, Warning: I helped design one of the bikes discussed below (the Road Sport), and tested another (the Allroad) during its prototyping. The design philosophies of their base machines are pretty different. Summary: Rivbike and Boulder have different use targets. They approach fitting

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread Patrick Moore
That is the best answer to the question that I've read, by far. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:54 PM, William deRosset wmderos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sam, Warning: I helped design one of the bikes discussed below (the Road Sport), and tested another (the Allroad) during its prototyping. The

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread Anton Tutter
Also check out Brian Chapman in Rhode Island (Chapman Cycles)! His attention to detail is top-tier, no doubt. And he's very experienced in the 650B space. Anton On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 6:01:40 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: Weigle is pretty pricey but I have become pretty adept at

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
chapmancycles.com great guy to work with and can order parts, assemble and ship the complete bike too Want to place your ad here? Advertise on United Online http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5567d77c10969577b2175st03duc -- You

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread Ron Mc
great thread filled with lucid perspective -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread Matthew J
Are you sure it's the frame and not the wheels tires? True frames have different ride characteristics but so do wheels tires. I would say there is a lot of both. Tires are of course very important arbiters for road feel and shock dampening. But geometry and tubing plat very important

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread Matthew J
I am well aware of the Herse brand. (No longer Kone's btw.). Mike Kone and colleagues are the only bicycle builders legally able to make a bicycle under the Herse brand. Not sure the importance of who owns the name. That being said a Herse will not ride inherently more plush than a

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 05/28/2015 08:56 AM, Matthew J wrote: I am well aware of the Herse brand. (No longer Kone's btw.). Mike Kone and colleagues are the only bicycle builders legally able to make a bicycle under the Herse brand. Not sure the importance of who owns the name. That being said a Herse will

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-28 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Hear hear! If you can only get one, a Sam is a good choice. In fact, when desirous of a second bike, I got yet another Hillborne. At the time I weighed enough that it was probably truly warranted in some sense: I never ride for speed, always want to carry stuff, and was (and still am) fat to

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Matthew J
Boulder are low trail, light tube bikes meant to transport rider and modest front loads at max speed comfortably on long primarily open paved and gravel road rides. Rivs are mid trail indestructible tube (excepting Roadeo) meant to carry max weight in the back,some weight in front at

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Clayton.sf
What is the other brand mike has? Are you referring to Herse? On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Boulder are low trail, light tube bikes meant to transport rider and modest front loads at max speed comfortably on long primarily open paved and gravel

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
I'm planning on replacing the Hilsen after PBP with a dedicated rando bike. I'm thinking I'd like a lighter tubed, livelier bike for brevets. I've considered both Boulder and Herse, but since I'm in CT I'm going to go talk to Peter Weigle, and hopefully ride one of his 650B, low trail bikes,

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 05/27/2015 04:29 PM, Clayton.sf wrote: What is the other brand mike has? Are you referring to Herse? That is indeed another Mike Kone brand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Tom Virgil
I have favorable circumstances in that I own both bikes. The Boulder All Road is my Randoneur and rides faster than my former Specialized Roubaix. It gets taken for long rides at a pace with minimal overhead. I ordered it from Mike Kone at Boulder Bicycles and put it together myself with

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Clayton.sf
I am sure it is both and more but frame matters a lot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 05/27/2015 09:36 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote: My dream bike these days is a front loader, like the boulder, with a rack system that takes a big Handlebar bag and removable low riders for front panniers, and maybe a light rear rack for the sleeping bag. And puffy tires.

[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Michael Hechmer
Are you sure it's the frame and not the wheels tires? True frames have different ride characteristics but so do wheels tires. Michael On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:43:51 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote: So, what are the similarities/diffs between your Boulders and Rivbikes? Is there a

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Bill Gibson
It's all the above, in balance with the rider's strength, flexibility, baggage, and the road/trail! The original response by Matthew J rings true. I ride a green Quickbeam, and an early 1970's Gitane. The Rivendell has strong English roots, and the Gitane is, well, French, but is a road bike that

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Tony DeFilippo
My dream bike these days is a front loader, like the boulder, with a rack system that takes a big Handlebar bag and removable low riders for front panniers, and maybe a light rear rack for the sleeping bag. And puffy tires. https://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/05/13/setting-our-own-trends/

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Clayton.sf
I am well aware of the Herse brand. (No longer Kone's btw.). That being said a Herse will not ride inherently more plush than a Boulder so I was wondering if there was another brand he is involved in. Right now all I know of is Boulder. I might be misunderstanding the use of the word plush

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Matthew J
That is indeed another Mike Kone brand. Indeed squared! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Matthew J
Weigle is pretty pricey but I have become pretty adept at justifying bike purchases. Anything Peter makes is worth the price. My understanding is his wait list is very long, however. I suspect most people who get Weigles are buying their second or third (or even more) customs. Johnny Coast

Re: [RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

2015-05-27 Thread Joe Broach
​ On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: That is indeed another Mike Kone brand. Indeed squared! Well, technically Compass's brand now https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/coming-full-circle-with-rene-herse/, which Mike Kone licenses for his bikes. Not