Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-05 Thread Andy Forquer
Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters? ... I would say the versatility to change handlebars more easily and the ability pack bikes for shipping with less cable to worry about when folding into the box. Seems like it might be less stable in the rough, and maybe not much

[RBW] Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread john
I've been searching the archives for a specific topic which I have not found. Excuse me if I missed it. Due to the fact that an auto struck me while riding, ruining the original the fork of my Sam Hillborne (with cantilever studs), I got a replacement fork (Thanks Rivendell!) which didn't have

[RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Ahhh.. gotcha. It's been interesting to see how many folks size up over the years. I'd say go test ride a Roadeo and see what you think. - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [RBW] Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Brian Hanson
I have now ridden most of the brake types out there, and on my Rivs, I've had Silver sidepulls, Paul Racer centerpulls, and Tektro 720 cantis. All of them have stopped without issue - I've locked up all three at times doing hard panic stops, and have not had any spills (other than unclipping, but

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
AASHTA* - http://sheldonbrown.com/brakes/index.html And it's worth clicking through to the Jobst article on brake types here - http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/brakes.html All modern brakes work. I don't think folks are really arguing for one or the other type. There are certainly tradeoffs -

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
I am quite happy with the performance of the inexpensive v-brakes on my Sam, but prefer the feel of the side pulls that came on my Brompton. In your situation I would try the Silvers for tire clearance. Jay On Friday, April 5, 2013 10:07:14 AM UTC+3, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: AASHTA* -

Re: [RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread cyclotourist
You received all good answers John. To echo what others wrote, and add my own thoughts, I find side-pulls look much nicer than cantis or Vs. As Jim wrote, center-pulls split the difference, and probably would be my choice on a bike that could fit them. Center and side pulls have the disadvantage

[RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Matt Beebe
I remember reading somewhere that the AHH and the Rambouillet share the same tubing specifications throughout, and that the only difference between them is tire brake reach/tire clearance. Incidentally there is a post on the Blug about the tubing on the AHH, saying it is a mix of True

[RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Matt Beebe
I remember reading somewhere that the AHH and the Rambouillet share the same tubing specifications throughout, and that the only difference between them is the brake reach and tire clearance. Incidentally there is a post on the Blug about the tubing on the AHH, explaining that it is a mix

Re: [RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 03:47 -0700, Matt Beebe wrote: I remember reading somewhere that the AHH and the Rambouillet share the same tubing specifications throughout, and that the only difference between them is tire brake reach/tire clearance. It's also been said that the AHH began life as

Re: [RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Homer started in frame sizes 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67 and 72 with a 1.5 deg up slope. Saluki came in 47, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58 also with 1.5 deg up slope except for the 47 (2.5 deg). In addition to HT angle noted by Steve, Hilsen also has longer chain stays, more rake and takes bigger tires than

[RBW] 2007 Geometry Chart

2013-04-05 Thread Bruce Herbitter
With the talk about tubes (again) and bike details (again) I thought some might want this RBW chart from a few years back. I'm an uploader newbie so advise any problems seeing it. Tailwinds https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B523P2fbM8q3UmV5ejdWWjN3UWc/edit?usp=sharing -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread C.J. Filip
Don't forget the 60 and 62 that the Saluki came in before the notion of the Hiluki. As far as bigger tires, most my early 59cm Hilsen could fit was 38mm w/ fenders. My #14 60cm Saluki fits Hetres with fenders. Back on topic, I feel my current steed, the Saluki is stouter than the Hilsen.

Re: [RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2013-04-05 at 07:56 -0500, Bruce Herbitter wrote: Homer started in frame sizes 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67 and 72 with a 1.5 deg up slope. Saluki came in 47, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58 also with 1.5 deg up slope except for the 47 (2.5 deg). The one I used to own was a 60. In addition to HT

Re: [RBW] Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread jimD
+1 on the Silver side pulls. -JimD On Apr 5, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I have now ridden most of the brake types out there, and on my Rivs, I've had Silver sidepulls, Paul Racer centerpulls, and Tektro 720 cantis. All of them have stopped without issue -

Re: [RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Matt Beebe
On Friday, April 5, 2013 8:30:14 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: It's also been said that the AHH began life as a Saluki with a different decal and headbadge. They can't both be true, because both the clearance and the head angle on the two are different (71 vs 73). IIRC, what I read

Re: [RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Matt Beebe
On Friday, April 5, 2013 8:30:14 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: It's also been said that the AHH began life as a Saluki with a different decal and headbadge. They can't both be true, because both the clearance and the head angle on the two are different (71 vs 73). I haven't seen any

Re: [RBW] FS 64 cm Atlantis - custom blue

2013-04-05 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Wow, great bike, beautiful color. Great price. If it were only 10cm smaller! Good luck! On Friday, April 5, 2013 1:02:03 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Understood. Life happens, right! Cheers, David On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Andrew Jensen andrew.how...@gmail.comjavascript:

Re: [RBW] Re: What's that response called, and which model has it?

2013-04-05 Thread Leslie
On Friday, April 5, 2013 9:16:56 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: Anything Saluki can do, Hilsen can do, and vice versa. Except fit Hetres... Now, if I can fit fendered Hetres on my Ram, couldn't a Hilsen? Or a Saluki? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [RBW] Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Dan Abelson
I think the key issue is tire and fender clearance. For up to 700 x 35 I like silver side pulls. I like the modulation, stopping power and most importantly ease of adjustment. For wider tires I prefer cantilever or v brakes. Once you go wider than 35 fender clearance can be an issue and depending

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Peter Pesce
I've never had a bike fail to stop because of the type of brake on it. (Of course I don't do radical MTB stuff or descend mountain passes in the rain with a full touring load, so YMMV). It's usually just comes down to clearances, aesthetics and personal preference. -Pete in CT On Thursday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread René Sterental
John, Based on your post, I'd say that if you want to improve the brake feel/power a bit more, replace the front sidepull with a Paul Racer. It will also look better in the sense of looking more similar to your rear canti brakes. That being said, I have a front Racer and a rear Silver on my Betty

Re: [RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Matthew J
Dual pivot side-pull brakes work very well. V Brakes provide the best rim brake stopping bang for the buck. Some day I hope to have a bike set up with those swell Paul mini-vs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightest, fastest, comfortablest 622 tires in the 37 to 45 mm range?

2013-04-05 Thread Shaun Meehan
The 38mm Schwalbwe Marathon Racers are lighter than the Supremes and arguably more compliant. At the expense of less flat protection. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:43 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'd try them if they came in a 559 size that fit my frames (I bet a true 37 would

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread jinxed
I'll chime in on at least one comparison. I originally built the Hilsen I owned with Silver side pulls, but later upgraded to Pauls center pulls. I thought this was going to be brake nirvana, but to be completely honest, I felt the Silvers out performed the Pauls in every way. The Silvers were

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Mike Schiller
another opinionslightly different. It depends on where you live. If you live a hilly or mountainous area I would choose cantilever or brazed on center pulls every time. I think Silvers are mushy compared to either. They are easy to install and adjust, but don't have the stopping power of

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Joe Bernard
Compared to the single-pivot Dia-Compe sidepulls on my Bridgestone RB-2, * everything* we have now works great. This type of brake was standard equipment on road bikes back in the heyday of Campagnolo speed reducers, which was market-speak for they're light, but they don't work. On Thursday,

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Matthew J
Difference between brazed on Pauls and bolt on is night and day. I cannot recommend bolt ons. Too much money for the stopping power you get. On Friday, April 5, 2013 10:10:19 AM UTC-5, jinxed wrote: I'll chime in on at least one comparison. I originally built the Hilsen I owned with Silver

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Matthew J
If you live a hilly or mountainous area I would choose cantilever or brazed on center pulls every time. I think Silvers are mushy compared to either. If you prefer the look of cantis, well set up they are a good choice. V brakes are a lot easier to set up and keep working right. Good Vs

[RBW] Re: Moustache vs. Noodle bar reach overlay with pics

2013-04-05 Thread Ron Mc
when I switched to moustache bar, my new Technomic stem essentially took two inches off the reach of the stem and added it to the height. On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:07:31 AM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote: Actual COMFORT for each person will also be determined by stem angle, length, and

[RBW] Re: 2007 Geometry Chart

2013-04-05 Thread Joe Bernard
A most excellent resource, and has my Rambouillet on it. Thanks! On Friday, April 5, 2013 6:03:57 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: With the talk about tubes (again) and bike details (again) I thought some might want this RBW chart from a few years back. I'm an uploader newbie so advise any

[RBW] Re: CL Stumpjumper frame

2013-04-05 Thread hsmitham
My brother snagged an almost pristine 83' all original down to the tires which were almost unused for $245. I suggested he make it a like an Atlantis which is what he's doing can't wait to see the finished product. Hugh Sunland, CA On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:10:21 PM UTC-7, Philip

Re: [RBW] South East Bay Overnight Trip 4/8-4/9?

2013-04-05 Thread Manuel Acosta
Mike I'm running practice for Lacrosse on Monday at 11am would be done in San Jose around 1ish . Looking to camp somewhere at Joesph D Grant Ranch then find a way to get back to Alum Rock. Hope you can make it Mike it would be a blast to get lost with you again. -Manny On Thursday, April 4,

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Playing, yesterday, my 1-day-a-week television role of Doctor Moore, Bicycle Repairman at a nearby shop, I spent far too much of the owner's time cleaning and overhauling an old Schwinn Collegiate with wide range 5-speed shifted by a massive, Cold Forged Hunqua-Iron, stem-mounted lever pulling a

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightest, fastest, comfortablest 622 tires in the 37 to 45 mm range?

2013-04-05 Thread René Sterental
I'm going to give them a try. Didn't know they were available in that width. Thanks! René On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: The 38mm Schwalbwe Marathon Racers are lighter than the Supremes and arguably more compliant. At the expense of less flat

Re: [RBW] 2007 Geometry Chart

2013-04-05 Thread Cyclofiend
Thanks Bruce! - many moons ago, I archived much of that here: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Re: What's the Biggest Advantage of Stem-mounted Shifters?

2013-04-05 Thread Liesl
Sorry I'm a total late-comer to this thread (it's been that kinda week)—but I gotta share that in the late '60's, I saved all my allowance, birthday presents, and christmas presents (I announced I only wanted cash) and bought a Schwinn Cherry Krate just like this one only red:

[RBW] Good commute on the Hillborne

2013-04-05 Thread Doug M
Pleasant surprise seeing you as well, Eric. The new creamy Hillborne blue looks much in person. I didn't realize I was playing the pacer there. I usually think of myself as a garden variety chugger-alonger! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Lightest, fastest, comfortablest 622 tires in the 37 to 45 mm range?

2013-04-05 Thread Eric Platt
They are. Definitely lighter than the Supremes. Less flat protection but didn't have any problems. Also, in my use, they wear faster than the Supremes. Just pulled the Racers off my Hillborne for a set of Baby Big Bens. Haven't ridden them yet (it's snowing out right now). More tread which is

Re: [RBW] Good commute on the Hillborne

2013-04-05 Thread Eric Platt
Doug, You were definitely more than just chugging along. Now I'm more of a dawdler when riding. You were doing well over 17mph on that stretch. Was going to say something earlier, but traffic was such I didn't want to startle. New tires (Schwalbe Baby Big Bens) showed up today, so they are

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread bobish
There was a day when side pulls were viewed as cheap and tacky. Racing bikes had center pulls and touring had cantis. Then, racing bikes started to get better side pulls and all was pretty well until they went to short reach models and reduced tire and fender clearance to nothing. Now that

[RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Swza
Hi John, I have a Rambouillet with Tektro Silvers and a 1988 Trek 520 Reynolds 531 with Shimano cantis. The cantis have better stopping power than the Silvers, however the Silvers are not bad. Overall I prefer cantis for a few reasons. Stopping power is better. I also think they look

[RBW] Re: 2007 Geometry Chart

2013-04-05 Thread Chris Lampe
Interesting chart as it describes some models that were already discontinued when I discovered Rivendell. I'm getting ready to have a 55cm Handsome Devil built up, a bike that is based on the Bridgestone XO-1, and it's geometry is almost identical to the Legolas. How does the tubing on the

[RBW] Re: FS: Red Glorious 50cm

2013-04-05 Thread Ed S
Hello all! the bike has been sold. Thank you all for the kind words and support! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: tire suggestions thanks

2013-04-05 Thread samwell187
What rims are you using? Have you measured the actual width? I'd be curious to hear the numbers. -Sam AA, MI On Monday, April 1, 2013 11:55:20 PM UTC-4, Michael Williams wrote: just wanted to say thanks to the group, Rob from Ocean Air Cycles in particular for a great tire recommendation

Re: [RBW] Re: CL Stumpjumper frame

2013-04-05 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Hi, Is it common to convert old Stumpjumbers into atlantis type bikes? I have an 85 and would be interested in a conversion. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: My brother snagged an almost pristine 83' all original down to the tires which were almost

Re: [RBW] Good commute on the Hillborne

2013-04-05 Thread Doug M
I was eyeing the Little Big Bens as well for my new AHH build but decided to try the Vittoria Randonneur Hypers (mentioned in an earlier thread here re: wide 700c supple tires) instead. Got the 700 x 38s, about 37 mm actual on Sun CR18 rims. They look a lot like Marathon Supremes. I'm aiming

Re: [RBW] Re: tire suggestions thanks

2013-04-05 Thread cyclotourist
I just mounted a set I received from another list member (thanks!) and on first blush, absolutely love them. https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8622476729/in/photostream They measure 41mm on Sun CR-18 rims (23mm wide), but I imagine they'll expand a bit over the next couple of days. VERY

Re: [RBW] Re: CL Stumpjumper frame

2013-04-05 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
The early Stumps don't really have all that much in common with the Atlantis. Looong wheelbase and stays (well - not really long Long like the Appaloosa...) and canti brakes, but there they diverge. Those mountain bikes were mostly reworkings of the Schwinn Excelsior frames - the choice

Re: [RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread Bobish
Sorry about the break / brake switcheroos. Perry On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:53 AM, bobish bob...@gmail.com wrote: There was a day when side pulls were viewed as cheap and tacky. Racing bikes had center pulls and touring had cantis. Then, racing bikes started to get better side pulls and all was

Re: [RBW] tire suggestions thanks

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Williams
Using Velocity Synergy Rims that measure 23mm wide I think, They Measure just under 41mm on those rims, and as David said, they ride really supple, and cant speak of flats after only 3 rides.hope this helps -Mike On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Michael Williams

[RBW] Ram build obstacle

2013-04-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
What is the rea brake reach require for the Ram? A 57 max reach brake leaves the pads too high: the left (facing the front of the bike) about 1-2 mm, the right 3-4 mm. Even filing the right slot a couple of mm is insufficient. Thanks. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html

Re: [RBW] Re: Sidepull brakes versus Cantilevers

2013-04-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Since we are contradicting each other here, I'll say that the single pivots I've used, including Royal Grand Comps, work as well as anything else I've used, as long as they are mated with (1) aero levers, (2) Matthauser pads, and (3) decent housing, with interrupted housing to the rear. I use

[RBW] Will Tim McGovern please contact me?

2013-04-05 Thread Bertin753
Tim -- re. A PayPal payment. Thanks. Patrick Moore iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Ram build obstacle

2013-04-05 Thread Michael
Riv calls these the upgrade brakes they have in stock for Rambouillets. Just read down the description and you will see 2 mentions of hwo they are on Rambo's: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brsbm59.htm 47-59mm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[RBW] Re: Ram build obstacle

2013-04-05 Thread Michael
Rivendell calls these the ideal upgrade brakes they have in stock for Rambouillets. Just read down the description and you will see 2 mentions of how they enhance Rambo's: *http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brsbm59.htm*http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brsbm59.htm 47-59mm -- You