Re: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

2015-01-29 Thread Hugh Smitham
Bob,

Great set. I really like your use of depth of field for dramatic effect. I
don't use it enough my self. Inspired terrain you have out there on the
right coast.

Cheers,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Bob E reeh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Love seeing all these photos -- very inspiring!

 I had recently put a set together for the iBOB group; here's my
 contribution:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/30490050@N04/sets/72157649730126719/

  Bob E

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RE: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

2015-01-29 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Great photos – thanks for posting.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

Love seeing all these photos -- very inspiring!

I had recently put a set together for the iBOB group; here's my contribution:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/30490050@N04/sets/72157649730126719/

 Bob E
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RE: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

2015-01-29 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Fantastic shots, Eunice!

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

Loved looking at everyone's photos. It's always good to see different views.

I only really started riding in March (thank you, 30DaysofBiking) and never 
really stopped. I suppose I never really stopped in general.

Here's mine:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157650123347390/

-E.


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Great photos. I always look for yours……...


On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 6:26:23 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Wow. I love doing this. Thank you for reminding me to do this. Not having 
memory, I forget, and photos are my memory. I remembered all kinds of 
wonderful things. Here are fourteen of them: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157648184747494/

With abandon,
Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Anyone doing the EBDJ Wednesday Challenge?

2015-01-29 Thread Clayton.sf
Tim,

The bike performance is what had me doubting the most. It wasn't until late 
December that I started feeling like my old self again riding-wise. That was 
almost 2 months after I started. That being said none of the rides were longer 
than 5 hours. Planning on a few Brevets this year - we'll see how it goes. Good 
luck on the r12!

Clayton, SF

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
I've never been able to figure out how to easily navigate Flickr so can you 
provide a link to your gallery? 



On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:

 Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject:


 http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html

 Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly 
 informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work.  I 
 want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a 
 category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, 
 Rivendell devotees or no.  I hope to devote a future post to the 
 intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike 
 Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. 

 Your thoughts and comments much appreciated.  

 -jeremy


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[RBW] Re: List of RBW Bikes

2015-01-29 Thread Fullylugged
I think there was the Road, followed by the Road Standard which is a 
little different. TT rise, HT extension, maybe trail are different.

On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-6, Kellie Stapleton wrote:

 Is there a list anywhere with the names detailing the chronological order 
 of bike produced by Rivendell?



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[RBW] Re: Anyone doing the EBDJ Wednesday Challenge?

2015-01-29 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
Clayton, it's good to hear of your progress with the weight, but more so on the 
bike. After 13 days of EBDJ eating I rode a 200k(I'm chasing and R-12). I ate 
only salami and parmesan cheese (except for a big pickle for sodium and coffee, 
black, for caffeine. I'm caffeine free except during long rides.) It was the 
flattest ride I have ever done (intentionally) and I finished with only a short 
bonk (which I somewhat mitigated with more cheese) in the last 25 miles. I was 
pleased but since then (I'm almost 4 weeks into EDJ now) almost every ride has 
been very low energy and slow. Admittedly some of that is due to winter riding 
but my energy level on the bike has definitely been poor. Otherwise I feel good 
and at last count had lost 8 lbs. I'm reading a lot on the subject and this 
seems to make sense to me so I'm keeping at it. I'm not counting calories 
either but I am certain I'm not consuming anything near what I do on carbs, and 
I'm not hungry most of the time. Yesterdays food: Tea with coconut oil and ghee 
at 5:30am, 3 eggs with can of salmon and bleu cheese at 11:00. Afternoon snack 
of about 2 oz macadamias with some coconut flakes. Dinner was guacamole (1 
large avocado, red onion, spices) and rack of lamb, about 6 oz (pre-packaged 
and cooked from TJ's. Try it, it's delicious!) Normally I would have eaten 
double the amount of lamb but I'm trying to not go overboard on the protein. 
Then a snack later of about 2 oz almonds and coconut flakes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

2015-01-29 Thread Bob E
Thanks, Hugh! 
 
From what I see in your photos (and others), I think I need to do some 
riding on the left coast -- the Bay Area gets the spotlight, but SoCal 
looks like an awesome place to ride.
 
Bob

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 11:45:37 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Bob,

 Great set. I really like your use of depth of field for dramatic effect. I 
 don't use it enough my self. Inspired terrain you have out there on the 
 right coast.

 Cheers,

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/


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[RBW] Well Known Tool Co. Founder Dies

2015-01-29 Thread islaysteve
Wow, What an interesting story, and life.  I'll be a little more reflective the 
next time I use my Park stand and other tools.  May he rest in peace, and 
condolences to his family.
Steve

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[RBW] Rivendell store frenzy

2015-01-29 Thread dougP
My Rivendell shopping list (always a dynamic document) included a pair of 
the Rivy rings, so when the announcement of changes coming 2/1 was made on 
te BLUG, I figured time to get with it.  Well, just now I got a 35 middle 
but the 45 outer was sorry, out of stock.  I got the rest of my goodies, 
 had no problem exceeding the free shipping threshold.  The site is 
running a bit boggy too, so probably lots of folks stocking up before 2/1.  
Not quite Black Friday but definitely lots of activity.  Whatever it is, 
get 'em while you can.  

dougP

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread dougP
I'd say they are upright bars since they're essentially flat, maybe a 
slight rise (or drop) in some.  A gray area would be Woodchippers, etc.  
Semi-drop?  

dougP

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:

 Would the mustache and albastache bars be considered an upright or drop 
 bar?  Do they fit this category? 

 John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Jim Bronson
Chris Lampe:  scroll down the page under the picture, you'll see the
groups and galleries that the photo is a member of.

I took a screenshot, see attached.  Look for blue arrow.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:22 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
 I've never been able to figure out how to easily navigate Flickr so can you
 provide a link to your gallery?



 On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:

 Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject:


 http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html

 Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly
 informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work.  I
 want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a category,
 as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell devotees
 or no.  I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents of my
 category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early
 MTB's, etc.

 Your thoughts and comments much appreciated.

 -jeremy

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread iamkeith

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:11:35 AM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:



 My final thought is the name of these bikes. The convention is using just 
 two words to describe bikes, road bike, mountain bike, kids bike, racing 
 bike, downhill bike etc. High Performance Upright Bikes certainly is a 
 mouthful and I am thinking is there a way to describe the bikes in 
 essentially two words or three at the most? Maybe dropping one word to 
 Performance Upright Bikes would be somewhat of a compromise. Maybe others 
 can chime in. 


I was kind of thinking the same thing.   If your goal is to proselytize and 
convert other people's thinking, you're going to need to quoin a 
much catchier name for the category.   Detractors will certainly have 
plenty or derogatory nicknames:  old man's bikes,  sit-up-and-beg 
bikes,  Dutch-heavy,  Townies,  etc.  Not sure what that might be, 
though.   Being a bit tongue in cheek here, because I can't think of 
anything better myself, but it needs to capture your imagination the way 
gravel grinder or monster cross do.   Something like couch rockets,  
or comfort speedsters,  or ergo-racers, or enthusiast cruisers...  
encruzers?

And you're going to have to spend some effort explaining (or referencing 
others who can explain) WHY such bikes should be taken seriously as 
performance machines, and why it's not as simple as slapping some upright 
bars on a light bike.   Explain why building and setting one up 
properly requires a completely different mindset - all the way to frame 
geometry.   Even in this group, where you're preaching to the choir, it's 
hard to verbalize those things.   For instance, when Patrick was having 
trouble with the handling of his Rambouillet recently, and he was 
determined to start from the assumption that his saddle needed to be 
located exactly the same, relative to the bottom bracket, as all his other 
bikes, I found myself completely unable to explain why he needed to let go 
and do something different.   How do you explain that the performance 
aspect is achieved by retaining the *same*,  body angles and position that 
people are used to (and emotionally invested in), and which provides the 
most efficiency and power - but that this position is somehow rotated - 
so that the seat may be set back further, and the seatpost extended less, 
and the handlebars higher and closer, etc...? 


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[RBW] Re: 14 for '14

2015-01-29 Thread Bob E
Love seeing all these photos -- very inspiring!
 
I had recently put a set together for the iBOB group; here's my 
contribution:
 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30490050@N04/sets/72157649730126719/
 
 Bob E

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread blakcloud
Jeremy, this was a timely thread for me. I was thinking this week, outside 
of this group, there really isn't a place for me to read about bicycles 
that I like, which are the bikes you are describing. I am looking forward 
to the Flickr Group and more photos to peruse over. 

Dropped bar bikes fell out of fashion for me years ago. I found them 
uncomfortable at best and is one of the reasons that I was an early adopter 
of riding mountain bikes as a commuter in the early 80's when the first 
Stumpjumper came out. I was mesmerized by that bike.  

I don't even look at dropped bar bikes now, even if you have a Rivendell, 
the drop bar ruins it for me. When I go to NAHBS and see a well hand 
crafted bike my thoughts are, can an upright bar be retrofitted to the 
bike. Better yet, bikes at NAHBS that are designed around upright bars. Yip 
San makes great bikes with upright bars and many other builders like ANT 
who you mentioned. 

My final thought is the name of these bikes. The convention is using just 
two words to describe bikes, road bike, mountain bike, kids bike, racing 
bike, downhill bike etc. High Performance Upright Bikes certainly is a 
mouthful and I am thinking is there a way to describe the bikes in 
essentially two words or three at the most? Maybe dropping one word to 
Performance Upright Bikes would be somewhat of a compromise. Maybe others 
can chime in. 

Thanks for your Blog and Flickr photos. Looking forward to reading more. 



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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Ron Mc
wonderful bikes, all, but I was particularly impressed with the Clem setup. 
 

On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:

 Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject:


 http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html

 Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly 
 informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work.  I 
 want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a 
 category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, 
 Rivendell devotees or no.  I hope to devote a future post to the 
 intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike 
 Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. 

 Your thoughts and comments much appreciated.  

 -jeremy


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Re: [RBW] Re: fs/trade Phil wood wheel, Nitto.....

2015-01-29 Thread Mark Reimer
Peter - if you want that hub, go for it. Won't work out for me right now.

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 Xtr hub is the fh-m950. 32 hole.

 Thanks
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[RBW] Well Known Tool Co. Founder Dies

2015-01-29 Thread George Schick
Pretty much a hidden legend among in the cycling community; mostly 
unknown to the rest of the world.  Yet, as the obit says, you can't walk 
into any LBS without seeing pegboards full of his tools.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27405034/twin-cities-bike-repair-pioneer-howard-hawkins-dies

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[RBW] Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Surlyprof
Would the mustache and albastache bars be considered an upright or drop bar?  
Do they fit this category?

John

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[RBW] FS: Sackville TrunkSack Olive Large

2015-01-29 Thread Joe Bernard
Wow, that was quick. Sold!

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
I would argue that upright refers to the riding position of the person on 
the bike, rather than the type of handlebars.  If drop bars are way high 
and result in a relatively upright riding position, it's an upright bike in 
my eyes.  

I ride MTB bars exclusively with anywhere from 24mm to 60mm of rise and I 
consider every one to be upright because that's how I set up the bike.  The 
really hi-rise bars I've tried had too much pullback for my tastes.  I seem 
to be most comfortable with between 9 and maybe 15 degrees of sweep.  The 
worst thing I've ever ridden, by far, was the Albatross bar.  Having the 
grips almost parallel to the top tube just does not work for me.  



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 Would the mustache and albastache bars be considered an upright or drop 
 bar?  Do they fit this category? 

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[RBW] Will's Pasadena Style Vs. Mark F's Rack Style.

2015-01-29 Thread Manuel Acosta
A picture proves that Mark F owns double flats.
https://flic.kr/p/owX3B4

Manny

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Re: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

2015-01-29 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hi Bob,

Well I make the best of what I have here in Los Angeles which is pretty
darn nice. I think Los Angeles gets a bad reputation with all the car
business and pathetic mass transit though I read somewhere that Los Angeles
has the potential to be one of the greatest bicycle cities. If we can open
up the vast number of pathways along the many water channels it would be
spectacular! What's really amazing though is the proximity to wilderness
from 10 million people! I can ride from my house( with a lot of climbing )
and be completely alone. Then there's the vibrancy of the communities that
make up the greater Los Angeles, that back drop gives me endless
opportunities for interesting rides. I've barely scratched the surface.

Anytime you want to visit I have a stable and your welcome to borrow any
bike for a ride.

And one of these days I need to make it East for some back roads cycling.

Cheers,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Bob E reeh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, Hugh!

 From what I see in your photos (and others), I think I need to do some
 riding on the left coast -- the Bay Area gets the spotlight, but SoCal
 looks like an awesome place to ride.

 Bob

 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 11:45:37 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Bob,

 Great set. I really like your use of depth of field for dramatic effect.
 I don't use it enough my self. Inspired terrain you have out there on the
 right coast.

 Cheers,

 ~Hugh

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 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
Thanks!   Right after I posted my question I figured out that the OP had 
imbedded the gallery on his blog and that simply clicking the photo of the 
bike would scroll thru the images.  Now I have a guideline for the Flickr 
website itself!




On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:22:12 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Chris Lampe:  scroll down the page under the picture, you'll see the 
 groups and galleries that the photo is a member of. 

 I took a screenshot, see attached.  Look for blue arrow. 

 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:22 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: 
  I've never been able to figure out how to easily navigate Flickr so can 
 you 
  provide a link to your gallery? 
  
  
  
  On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote: 
  
  Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject: 
  
  
  
 http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html
  
  
  Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is 
 directly 
  informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work. 
  I 
  want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a 
 category, 
  as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, Rivendell 
 devotees 
  or no.  I hope to devote a future post to the intellectual antecedents 
 of my 
  category, including Grant but also Mike Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, 
 early 
  MTB's, etc. 
  
  Your thoughts and comments much appreciated. 
  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville TrunkSack Olive Large

2015-01-29 Thread Bill Lindsay
Joe

Just in case you have any frustrated extra customers, you could send them 
to me.  I have a 100% new, never mounted Olive Trunksack Large.  I'm asking 
$100 shipped.  I've listed it before and got no interest, so I planned on 
keeping it until somebody posted a WTB.  Twenty extra bucks for NEW.  Local 
pickup for a little less.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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 Wow, that was quick. Sold!

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Trenker


Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. 

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[RBW] Re: new steel bike: Rivendells are cheap!

2015-01-29 Thread Scott G.
$17,500 includes first class airfare round trip to Luxembourg City,
dinner with Eddy at the Hotel Carlton. Then a morning ride with Eddy
after enjoying the worlds' finest hot cocoa at the Carlton.

Bike itself is a Maxway with Enve fork.


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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Doug Williams
Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport 
Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport 
any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to 
use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be 
anyway.

That leaves Sport Cruiser?

Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name.

Doug

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 Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. 


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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Anton Tutter
I refer to my bikes with non road bars as 'semi-uprights'.

Anton, whose back is at about a 50-55 degree angle when riding with 
non-drop bars.



On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:40:05 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:


 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 7:11:35 AM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:



 My final thought is the name of these bikes. The convention is using just 
 two words to describe bikes, road bike, mountain bike, kids bike, racing 
 bike, downhill bike etc. High Performance Upright Bikes certainly is a 
 mouthful and I am thinking is there a way to describe the bikes in 
 essentially two words or three at the most? Maybe dropping one word to 
 Performance Upright Bikes would be somewhat of a compromise. Maybe others 
 can chime in. 


 I was kind of thinking the same thing.   If your goal is to proselytize 
 and convert other people's thinking, you're going to need to quoin a 
 much catchier name for the category.   Detractors will certainly have 
 plenty or derogatory nicknames:  old man's bikes,  sit-up-and-beg 
 bikes,  Dutch-heavy,  Townies,  etc.  Not sure what that might be, 
 though.   Being a bit tongue in cheek here, because I can't think of 
 anything better myself, but it needs to capture your imagination the way 
 gravel grinder or monster cross do.   Something like couch rockets,  
 or comfort speedsters,  or ergo-racers, or enthusiast cruisers...  
 encruzers?

 And you're going to have to spend some effort explaining (or referencing 
 others who can explain) WHY such bikes should be taken seriously as 
 performance machines, and why it's not as simple as slapping some upright 
 bars on a light bike.   Explain why building and setting one up 
 properly requires a completely different mindset - all the way to frame 
 geometry.   Even in this group, where you're preaching to the choir, it's 
 hard to verbalize those things.   For instance, when Patrick was having 
 trouble with the handling of his Rambouillet recently, and he was 
 determined to start from the assumption that his saddle needed to be 
 located exactly the same, relative to the bottom bracket, as all his other 
 bikes, I found myself completely unable to explain why he needed to let go 
 and do something different.   How do you explain that the performance 
 aspect is achieved by retaining the *same*,  body angles and position 
 that people are used to (and emotionally invested in), and which provides 
 the most efficiency and power - but that this position is somehow rotated 
 - so that the seat may be set back further, and the seatpost extended less, 
 and the handlebars higher and closer, etc...? 




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[RBW] Re: new steel bike: Rivendells are cheap!

2015-01-29 Thread dougP
Personally, I'd go with Rivendell  take Southwest to Oakland, BART to 
Walnut Creek, followed by lunch with the elves in the bike build workshop.  

dougP

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 $17,500 includes first class airfare round trip to Luxembourg City,
 dinner with Eddy at the Hotel Carlton. Then a morning ride with Eddy
 after enjoying the worlds' finest hot cocoa at the Carlton.

 Bike itself is a Maxway with Enve fork.




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Re: [RBW] Re: 14 for '14

2015-01-29 Thread dougP
+1 for Hugh's observations.  LA is a huge beast if you just drop in, but 
with local guidance you can find some great cycling.  The ultimate is to 
explore the Bay Area, then head south on Hwy 1.  With some judicious use of 
trains, one can skip over some of the really unrewarding riding areas.  
Allow 2-3 weeks for optimal results.  

dougP

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 10:40:46 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Bob,

 Well I make the best of what I have here in Los Angeles which is pretty 
 darn nice. I think Los Angeles gets a bad reputation with all the car 
 business and pathetic mass transit though I read somewhere that Los Angeles 
 has the potential to be one of the greatest bicycle cities. If we can open 
 up the vast number of pathways along the many water channels it would be 
 spectacular! What's really amazing though is the proximity to wilderness 
 from 10 million people! I can ride from my house( with a lot of climbing ) 
 and be completely alone. Then there's the vibrancy of the communities that 
 make up the greater Los Angeles, that back drop gives me endless 
 opportunities for interesting rides. I've barely scratched the surface.

 Anytime you want to visit I have a stable and your welcome to borrow any 
 bike for a ride.

 And one of these days I need to make it East for some back roads cycling.

 Cheers,  

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Bob E ree...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Thanks, Hugh! 
  
 From what I see in your photos (and others), I think I need to do some 
 riding on the left coast -- the Bay Area gets the spotlight, but SoCal 
 looks like an awesome place to ride.
  
 Bob

 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 11:45:37 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:

 Bob,

 Great set. I really like your use of depth of field for dramatic effect. 
 I don't use it enough my self. Inspired terrain you have out there on the 
 right coast.

 Cheers,

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread iamkeith
You're on to something.   Gosh, why not just call them sportster bikes.   
As in: vehicles that combine capable handling with all-day comfort and good 
looks, as opposed to singularly focused, race-oriented, muscle-machines.  
Examples of actual sportsters from other disciplines:



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9wCjkkjSdX8/VMquD4f_0iI/AEc/hNr3B1aUfiM/s1600/porsche-sportster.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m6_pz3yFYa4/VMquJNSKwsI/AEk/K5jeHT41Fzg/s1600/Harley-sportster_1957.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7B9a86BMdfE/VMquP-iB2WI/AEs/Kfj1-7655Tc/s1600/marlin-sportster-03.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhWXHRjfrFg/VMqt3FWcgMI/AEU/AofaJKGLzLg/s1600/maverick-sportster_car_1952.jpg




On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:43:05 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

 Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport 
 Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport 
 any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to 
 use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be 
 anyway.

 That leaves Sport Cruiser?

 Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name.

 Doug

 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote:



 Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. 



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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Doug Williams
Sportster bike...It would probably get shortened to Sportster. 
Hmmm...that might work. Especially for the Waterford frames made in 
Wisconsin (birthplace of the Harley Davidson Sportster).

I have a 650b Homer (with Albas) on order and we all know that the 650b 
Homer is just a Saluki with a stealth paint job. I'll make my own 
headbadge...Saluki Sportster.  :-)

Doug

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:

 You're on to something.   Gosh, why not just call them sportster 
 bikes.   As in: vehicles that combine capable handling with all-day 
 comfort and good looks, as opposed to singularly focused, 
 race-oriented, muscle-machines.  Examples of actual sportsters from other 
 disciplines:




 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9wCjkkjSdX8/VMquD4f_0iI/AEc/hNr3B1aUfiM/s1600/porsche-sportster.jpg


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m6_pz3yFYa4/VMquJNSKwsI/AEk/K5jeHT41Fzg/s1600/Harley-sportster_1957.jpg


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7B9a86BMdfE/VMquP-iB2WI/AEs/Kfj1-7655Tc/s1600/marlin-sportster-03.jpg



 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhWXHRjfrFg/VMqt3FWcgMI/AEU/AofaJKGLzLg/s1600/maverick-sportster_car_1952.jpg




 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:43:05 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

 Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport 
 Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport 
 any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to 
 use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be 
 anyway.

 That leaves Sport Cruiser?

 Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name.

 Doug

 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote:



 Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. 



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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Doug Williams


Ok, now that I did some checking, I found such a bike on the REI website. 
Called the 

Scott Sportster 50 Bike – 2015.

 

The easy-riding Scott Sportster 50 bike offers a comfortable upright riding 
position and speedy, smooth-rolling wheels for mellow commutes, riding 
around town or cruising along your local bike path.

 

http://www.rei.com/product/879474/scott-sportster-50-bike-2015

I don’t like the bike pictured, but put a quill stem on it, raise the 
handlebars, ditch the disc brakes and shocks... and it wouldn't be too bad. 
At least the Scott concept of a Sportster fits our concept to some degree.

 

Doug

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:29:34 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

 Sportster bike...It would probably get shortened to Sportster. 
 Hmmm...that might work. Especially for the Waterford frames made in 
 Wisconsin (birthplace of the Harley Davidson Sportster).

 I have a 650b Homer (with Albas) on order and we all know that the 650b 
 Homer is just a Saluki with a stealth paint job. I'll make my own 
 headbadge...Saluki Sportster.  :-)

 Doug

 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 2:05:51 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:

 You're on to something.   Gosh, why not just call them sportster 
 bikes.   As in: vehicles that combine capable handling with all-day 
 comfort and good looks, as opposed to singularly focused, 
 race-oriented, muscle-machines.  Examples of actual sportsters from other 
 disciplines:




 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9wCjkkjSdX8/VMquD4f_0iI/AEc/hNr3B1aUfiM/s1600/porsche-sportster.jpg


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m6_pz3yFYa4/VMquJNSKwsI/AEk/K5jeHT41Fzg/s1600/Harley-sportster_1957.jpg


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7B9a86BMdfE/VMquP-iB2WI/AEs/Kfj1-7655Tc/s1600/marlin-sportster-03.jpg



 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhWXHRjfrFg/VMqt3FWcgMI/AEU/AofaJKGLzLg/s1600/maverick-sportster_car_1952.jpg




 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:43:05 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

 Yes, the word Sport might be a good starting point. We have had Sport 
 Touring bikes. I don't think I like Sport Upright...is Upright Sport 
 any better? I don't like Sport Townie or Sport Dutch. I don't want to 
 use racer in the name and I don't know what a Sport Racer would be 
 anyway.

 That leaves Sport Cruiser?

 Keep thinking and maybe we can come up with a good name.

 Doug

 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:00:32 PM UTC-8, Trenker wrote:



 Sounds similar to the Sport Minivan. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Doug Williams
I have kids myself. I second the mixte...my son has a Trek MountainTrack. 
It allowed him to ride a bigger bike that he could otherwise ride (better 
investment as he is now about to outgrow it). Also, his bike actually has a 
quill stem! Hard; but not impossible to come by. Allows you to raise the 
handlebars as the kid grows (and get them up high enough to start with). 
Lastly, my sons bike has a cool feature where the peddles can screw into 
the cranks in two different positions, effectively changing the crank 
length (again, adjust as they grow).

I suggest that you look for something like that. Ask for those features 
when you call the various bike shops or look online.

Doug

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wrote:

 If you don't need gears, a vintage Schwinn Bantam is a great bike: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4338741715
 Could even build it up w/ a 3 speed if so inclined. 



 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I wouldn't worry much about bar height if you're moving to a 20 bike. My 
 90th% son, at just over 7, has a lot of room to grow before his saddle is 
 above the bars when I got him this 20 Specialized (picture a ways down on 
 this post):

 http://www.bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2014/01/bike-and-hatchet-update.html

 (and please excuse my horrible mixing of past and present tense in the 
 above sentence).

 Eric
 Dublin, OH

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: near-mint Atlantis frameset and 26 Mavic/chris king wheelset

2015-01-29 Thread dougP
Congrats on the new job.  It seems to have happened in the nick of time.  
Now, get that Atlantis built up so you won't again be tempted.

dougP

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 3:35:53 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

 happy endings do happen!

 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Z ztah...@uwalumni.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Decided not to sell the most versatile bike in the stable... 'cause I got 
 a new job!  Thanks to the very nice prospective buyer who wasn't too mad at 
 me when I changed my mind.


 On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 10:38:26 PM UTC-7, Z wrote:

 Update:  sale pending on the combo package.  Sorry to those I haven't 
 gotten back to, I've been busy.  There have been a lot of responses and I'm 
 dealing with folks in the order in which they replied.

 On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Z wrote:

 Hello group,

 I'm reluctantly selling my recently-acquired 56 cm Atlantis frameset 
 and 26 wheelset.   I was hoping to turn these into a whole bike, but it 
 wasn't meant to be.

 Here's the 411:

 - 56 cm Rivendell Atlantis, Waterford-built.  Only blemishes are from 
 previous owner fitting wheels (scratches at dropouts) and from me fitting 
 a 
 seatpost (*really* tiny nick in paint at seatpost clamp).   Never been 
 built up or ridden.  Still packed as if it had come straight from Walnut 
 Creek.  Includes installed FSA headset and front/rear brake cable hangers.

 - 26 Mavic XC717 rims, 32 hole, black with ceramic coated side wall.  
 Laced to silver Chris King classic hubs (135 mm rear spacing).  Rims show 
 signs of use and wear but true and in good condition.  Hubs are 
 particularly shiny.  No skewers.

 $1600 for the frameset, $200 for the wheelset or $1750 for the package 
 (shipped).

 Please contact me off-list for photos or additional info.  I'll 
 probably soon be selling some Rivvy-style parts and an almost-complete 
 Rawland Stag (size Large) as well.

 Thanks,

 Zach

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Surlyprof
Depending on where you live, there are bike shops that sell both new and 
refurbished used bikes.  In the sf bay area they are all over but often around 
college campuses.  Those shops can often refurbish a bike adding additions like 
specific handlebars and cranks for budget-conscious students.  We have one in 
our neighborhood and he has a range of older frames that he has collected to 
tailor to various customers' needs.

Any college campuses near you?

John

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[RBW] Re: FS: near-mint Atlantis frameset and 26 Mavic/chris king wheelset

2015-01-29 Thread Z
Decided not to sell the most versatile bike in the stable... 'cause I got a 
new job!  Thanks to the very nice prospective buyer who wasn't too mad at 
me when I changed my mind.

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 10:38:26 PM UTC-7, Z wrote:

 Update:  sale pending on the combo package.  Sorry to those I haven't 
 gotten back to, I've been busy.  There have been a lot of responses and I'm 
 dealing with folks in the order in which they replied.

 On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Z wrote:

 Hello group,

 I'm reluctantly selling my recently-acquired 56 cm Atlantis frameset and 
 26 wheelset.   I was hoping to turn these into a whole bike, but it wasn't 
 meant to be.

 Here's the 411:

 - 56 cm Rivendell Atlantis, Waterford-built.  Only blemishes are from 
 previous owner fitting wheels (scratches at dropouts) and from me fitting a 
 seatpost (*really* tiny nick in paint at seatpost clamp).   Never been 
 built up or ridden.  Still packed as if it had come straight from Walnut 
 Creek.  Includes installed FSA headset and front/rear brake cable hangers.

 - 26 Mavic XC717 rims, 32 hole, black with ceramic coated side wall.  
 Laced to silver Chris King classic hubs (135 mm rear spacing).  Rims show 
 signs of use and wear but true and in good condition.  Hubs are 
 particularly shiny.  No skewers.

 $1600 for the frameset, $200 for the wheelset or $1750 for the package 
 (shipped).

 Please contact me off-list for photos or additional info.  I'll probably 
 soon be selling some Rivvy-style parts and an almost-complete Rawland Stag 
 (size Large) as well.

 Thanks,

 Zach



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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Elisabeth Sherwood
Hi Leah,

I've heard good reports about Torker, but where one finds these I have no 
idea!

http://torkerbikeco.com/bike/kids/

The bars look more on the straight side, but would be easy enough to 
replace them with some narrow North-Road type bars if that's would work 
better.

Good luck!

-- Liz S.


On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:

 Hi, All,

 My 6 year old has almost outgrown his little Specialized Hotrock with 16 
 inch wheels. He will fit the 20 inch soon, if not now. I would like a new 
 bike for him by July, as we have some biking adventures planned and WOW 
 would it be nice for him to have bigger wheels and gears!

 Anyway, Specialized and Trek have their normal offerings, but I guess I am 
 looking for a Riv-esque bike. A bike with upright bars instead of those 
 slammed straight variety. Sadly, that is the bar-type on the 16 inch bike, 
 and it's perfect, but the bike companies do away with them on the bigger 
 bikes. And is is maybe too much to ask for something that would eventually 
 take a back rack (cringe)?

 Is there some off-brand that would accommodate these wishes?

 Thanks in advance!
 Leah


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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread LeahFoy
Ok, this sounds doable, all, but is there a Trek mtn bike that is made small 
enough for a 6 year old? Aren't they adult bikes?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread cyclotourist
If you don't need gears, a vintage Schwinn Bantam is a great bike:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4338741715
Could even build it up w/ a 3 speed if so inclined.



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 I wouldn't worry much about bar height if you're moving to a 20 bike. My
 90th% son, at just over 7, has a lot of room to grow before his saddle is
 above the bars when I got him this 20 Specialized (picture a ways down on
 this post):

 http://www.bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2014/01/bike-and-hatchet-update.html

 (and please excuse my horrible mixing of past and present tense in the
 above sentence).

 Eric
 Dublin, OH

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Anton Tutter
My oldest upgraded sequentially from a 16 bike (Trek Jazz Wizard) to a 20 
bike (Specialized HotRock) and now is on a 24 bike (Raleigh Mountain 
Scout). It's a decent bike, but with the flat bars. You can easily swap 
them out for more upright bars, although there really isn't a need since 
the frame geometry puts the bars pretty high up relative to the saddle. 
 All three bikes were either from friends or obtained very inexpensively on 
Craigslist.

She has no issues with the grip shifters, although she prefers thumb 
shifters. I would not suggest friction bar-end shifters this early-- kids 
tend to drop their bikes a lot and that can damage bar-end shifters. Grip 
shifters and thumbies are pretty much safe from getting destroyed.

I am reluctant to force kids into really large size jumps because even 
though you might get them to fit by slamming the seat post and swapping out 
handlebars, with each increase in size, the crank arms usually get longer 
as well, and kids' legs haven't grown enough to have the proper range of 
motion around the pedal stroke.  That was the most difficult change my 
oldest dealt with when she upgraded from a 20 bike to a 24 bike.  The 
crank arms had jumped in length from 135mm to 155mm-- pretty extreme!  If I 
had forced her into a 26 mtn bike it would likely have had 170mm crank 
arms (adult sized).  Not good.

Good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Eric Daume
I wouldn't worry much about bar height if you're moving to a 20 bike. My
90th% son, at just over 7, has a lot of room to grow before his saddle is
above the bars when I got him this 20 Specialized (picture a ways down on
this post):

http://www.bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2014/01/bike-and-hatchet-update.html

(and please excuse my horrible mixing of past and present tense in the
above sentence).

Eric
Dublin, OH

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread WETH
Leah,
I did what Patrick is recommending.  In my case I had the old mountain and 
hybrid bikes, I replaced the handlebars with Albatross and bar-end shifters.  
My sons liked be able to give input on bar tape color.
I'd be happy to answer any questions.  
All the best,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: near-mint Atlantis frameset and 26 Mavic/chris king wheelset

2015-01-29 Thread Chris Chen
happy endings do happen!

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Z ztahr...@uwalumni.com wrote:

 Decided not to sell the most versatile bike in the stable... 'cause I got
 a new job!  Thanks to the very nice prospective buyer who wasn't too mad at
 me when I changed my mind.


 On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 10:38:26 PM UTC-7, Z wrote:

 Update:  sale pending on the combo package.  Sorry to those I haven't
 gotten back to, I've been busy.  There have been a lot of responses and I'm
 dealing with folks in the order in which they replied.

 On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Z wrote:

 Hello group,

 I'm reluctantly selling my recently-acquired 56 cm Atlantis frameset and
 26 wheelset.   I was hoping to turn these into a whole bike, but it wasn't
 meant to be.

 Here's the 411:

 - 56 cm Rivendell Atlantis, Waterford-built.  Only blemishes are from
 previous owner fitting wheels (scratches at dropouts) and from me fitting a
 seatpost (*really* tiny nick in paint at seatpost clamp).   Never been
 built up or ridden.  Still packed as if it had come straight from Walnut
 Creek.  Includes installed FSA headset and front/rear brake cable hangers.

 - 26 Mavic XC717 rims, 32 hole, black with ceramic coated side wall.
 Laced to silver Chris King classic hubs (135 mm rear spacing).  Rims show
 signs of use and wear but true and in good condition.  Hubs are
 particularly shiny.  No skewers.

 $1600 for the frameset, $200 for the wheelset or $1750 for the package
 (shipped).

 Please contact me off-list for photos or additional info.  I'll probably
 soon be selling some Rivvy-style parts and an almost-complete Rawland Stag
 (size Large) as well.

 Thanks,

 Zach

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[RBW] Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread LeahFoy
Hi, All,

My 6 year old has almost outgrown his little Specialized Hotrock with 16 
inch wheels. He will fit the 20 inch soon, if not now. I would like a new 
bike for him by July, as we have some biking adventures planned and WOW 
would it be nice for him to have bigger wheels and gears!

Anyway, Specialized and Trek have their normal offerings, but I guess I am 
looking for a Riv-esque bike. A bike with upright bars instead of those 
slammed straight variety. Sadly, that is the bar-type on the 16 inch bike, 
and it's perfect, but the bike companies do away with them on the bigger 
bikes. And is is maybe too much to ask for something that would eventually 
take a back rack (cringe)?

Is there some off-brand that would accommodate these wishes?

Thanks in advance!
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
Och, Erl! The bar-ed shifters for them would be brilliant! The poor dears 
often have difficulty getting the leverage to shift while keeping on the 
road/trail. Adding that to my list. Thanks!

Leah, the list isn't that long, surprisingly. Here's my stab at it:

-- Something equivalent to a Trek 700 or 800 series mixte, or small 
standard frame (from the 80's and 90's usually). Around here they can be 
found in good condition (may need a tuneup) for $75-150. Just look for rust 
or obvious things wrong. Bring along a bike geek friend and if you don't 
have one, visit the local coffee shop early on a Saturday morning. Grin.
-- Albatross bars fit any Mountain bike with a quill stem (smaller diameter 
than the modern whatever they're called stems). 
-- Your local shop can swap the bars and do a tune up and you're good to 
go. If it has index shifting, ask them if they can swap it for friction 
shifting instead (unless you like the headache of gears out of adjustment).
-- Chances are it will come with tires that are great (a solid-ish middle 
ridge, knobby tire). Likely no reason to swap them.
-- Enjoy!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ahhh. Yeah. The 6-year old detail slipped past me. Sorry. I'm a few years 
early with my plan. Keep an eye out for Mountain Cub or similar (I think by 
Trek?) on Craig's list. Or go with what the LBS offers, and ask them to 
swap handlebars and possibly shifters.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread WETH
Patrick,
http://flic.kr/p/o2ah6o  On my younger son's bike (soma swept back bars that 
don't fit  bar end shifters) I forgot that I had installed an old indexed thumb 
shifter for the rear and a friction sunrace shifter that Riv sells for the 
front.  My older son has the bar end shifters on his albatross bars and loves 
them!
All the best,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Leah Peterson
I wish! He's much too small for the 24, I'm afraid. But thank you, really!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell store frenzy

2015-01-29 Thread hsmitham
Well, thanks for the heads up! Actually, got the last of my stuff today so I 
squeezed it all in...unfortunately, there's always something else I want from 
the fine folks at RBW HQ. I suppose I'll just need to pony up after February 
1st. 

~Hugh  seriously addicted to all things Riv, seriously!! Smitham

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 10:04:51 AM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
 My Rivendell shopping list (always a dynamic document) included a pair of the 
 Rivy rings, so when the announcement of changes coming 2/1 was made on te 
 BLUG, I figured time to get with it.  Well, just now I got a 35 middle but 
 the 45 outer was sorry, out of stock.  I got the rest of my goodies,  had 
 no problem exceeding the free shipping threshold.  The site is running a bit 
 boggy too, so probably lots of folks stocking up before 2/1.  Not quite Black 
 Friday but definitely lots of activity.  Whatever it is, get 'em while you 
 can.  
 
 dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Joe Bunik
Inadvertently, both my kids wound up with older, hand-me-down neighborhood
Novara (REI house brand) frames, Taiwanese-made with likely at least
10 and 20-years on each.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/15791036815/

As kid bikes go, these get a better-than-passing grade in my book -
well made, durable and not total hogs by any measure. I rehabbed the
20-inch junior mountain bike w/ some small uprights and newer
take-off brakes and shifters. Making sure that braking and shifting
are as simple and effective as possible is a must as a kid moves
beyond the venerable coaster.

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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 24 is  a great wheel size. I rushed my kids a bit to get them onto it, but
 left them in it a while before moving to 26. It really rolls over bumps
 and curbs a lot better than 20. Proportionately like a 29er to them as
 Leslie mentioned!

 Now scouring CL to find the perfect used 27.5 bike for them! Everything is
 really high end, or really low end, hard to find the sweet spot with that
 size.

 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Leah Peterson jonasandle...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I wish! He's much too small for the 24, I'm afraid. But thank you,
 really!

 Sent from my iPhone

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  mikel66...@juno.com
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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Edwin W
For new bikes, the Raleigh mtn scout in 20 is good: no fd, no shocks. I think 
specialized might make one.  I got an old trek mtn bike on cl for my boys, but 
that took a little looking. If you post where you live, this group will 
identify good finds on cl to look into. Then have your lbs clean it up and tune 
it up. 
For really upright with fenders and racks you might have to order from Europe 
(the euro is dipping!) or get REALLY lucky on cl. 
Oh, Isla bikes! Check em out. They have a PDX distributor. I always want to get 
one for my kids, but keep getting great CL finds. 
CL addicted,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Surlyprof
Would truncating it to Performance Uprights aid the evangelizing?

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[RBW] Re: fs/trade Phil wood wheel, Nitto.....

2015-01-29 Thread dylan alverson
Hi thanks to everyone.  Everything is sold or traded except phil track 
wheel.

Thanks
Dylan

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Richard L.
The Soma kid's frameset has 20 wheels.  Depending on the parts selected, 
it might be a little pricey for a kid's bike.

http://store.somafab.com/sobakirofrse.html


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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread Scott Wolfe
comfortable is always fast in the long run. 

good thoughts. enjoy. 

scott
bend, or

On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 11:57:42 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:

 Some musings and hopefully the first of a few posts on the subject:


 http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2015/01/high-performance-upright-towards-new.html

 Further thought for this list: my thinking about this category is directly 
 informed, if not wholly made possible, by Grant and Rivendell's work.  I 
 want to take what they've done and talk about it more broadly as a 
 category, as I believe there are many of us love this type of bike, 
 Rivendell devotees or no.  I hope to devote a future post to the 
 intellectual antecedents of my category, including Grant but also Mike 
 Flanigan/ANT, old Raleighs, early MTB's, etc. 

 Your thoughts and comments much appreciated.  

 -jeremy


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[RBW] FS: Nitto, Schwalbe, Shimano, Mavic, MKS, Modolo more.

2015-01-29 Thread Antonioni Vicente
OK, now it's serious.  New stuff, lower prices on stuff you may have seen 
posted before  just waaay more stuff.

cockpit
Nitto Technomic Standard 26.0, 130mm extension.  Good condition.  $25
Nitto Dirt Drop 8.  Very good condition.  $43
Nitto Dirt Drop 10.  Very good condition.  $43
Bridgestone XO-2 stock quill stem, black.  Very good condition.  $5
Tange 1 threaded headset, silver.  Unsure of model but looks BMX-y.  Used 
but good condition.  $5
Nitto Noodle 48's.  Gunk from tape and scuffs only on clamp area. 
 Nitto/dragon logo flawless.  $50
Nitto Bosco 55cm CroMo.  Very good condition.  $45
Modolo Brevettato 44cm E-2091 26.0.  Scuffed but good condition otherwise. 
 $18
SR bullmoose-esque: straight bar with double clamp stem, 21.1 quill, 25.4 
clamp.  Good condition.  $10

brake
Mafac Racers, front  rear, complete with Mafac-branded front  rear cable 
hangers.  Good condition.  $45
Shimano Tiagra road brake levers, silver w/ black hoods.  Very good 
condition.  $38
Shimano 105 road brake levers, silver w/ black hoods.  Good condition.  $18

drive/shift
Shimano 105 Golden Arrow derailleur set.  Front is marked FD-A105, rear is 
short cage  unmarked.  $15
Shimano mountain-LX front  rear derailleurs.  FD-M542  RD-M542.  Very 
good condition.  $35
Shimano BB-UN55 68 x 127.  Square taper.  Installed but never ridden.  $10
MKS Sylvan track pedals.  Brand new.  $14
Shimano 6 speed freewheel, mf-z012 13-16-19-23-28-34.  Good condition.  $7
Shimano cassette, 8 speed, 12-23.  Very good condition.  $10
Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters, 8 speed.  A few scuffs on outside of pod 
mounts but otherwise very good condition.  $60

tires/wheels
Schwalbe Smart Sams 26 x 2.1, folding bead.  Brand new.  $50/pair
Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700 x 35, folding bead. 2K.  $75/pair
Schwalbe Marathon 700 x 28.  Very good condition.  $45/pair
Resist Nomad 700 x 45, Black/tan sidewall.  Good condition.  $22/pair
Specialized All Condition 700 X 23.  Good condition.  $7
Specialized All Condition 700 X 25.  Good condition.  $7
Specialized Roubaix 700 X 23/25, folding bead.  Good condition.  $16/pair
Panaracer 700 X 25 TServ for Messenger.  Good condition.  $7
700c wheelset, Mavic MA 40 grey anodized.  Front hub: shimano 600 
(hb-6207), rear hub sealed Performance.  Freewheel only.  Wheels spin 
smoothly and are true.  A very pretty road wheelset.  Good condition.  $50

gear
Mammut Crater Goretex rain jacket, black.  Large.  New with Tags.  $250 
 (retails at $379)
Pearl Izumi Shoe Covers Pro WXB.  X-Large.  Never used.  $30
Sac La Fuma vintage french hiking pack.  Pictures  details: 
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/spo/4789261024.html  $50

tools/misc
Spin Doctor cone wrench set 13-19mm.  Light use.  $15/set
Problem Solvers Backstop, black 1 1/4 i.d. New.  $5
Shimano Dura Ace track cog lock ring, NJS stamped.  $5


Trade interested icluding but not limited to Nitto Jitensha bars, aluminum 
heat treated Albatross, King Iris cages, Park Truing stand 2 or 2.2, a 
64cm-67cm steel lugged road frame and fork, Nitto Tallux 6, 7 /or 11, 
Schmidt Edulux II  SON hub, HA Rack Sackville Bag (tan), Carradice Bagman 
support, 700c Compass tires.

the 411/fine print
Prices do not include shipping.  Open to reasonable offers.  Discounts for 
multiple items.  Paypal preferred.  Currently too lazy to erect a proper 
flickr monument to these goods, so pics upon request, via email or text 
(72fore 7fiiive7 935ate  lemme know you're a RBW/BOB).  Apologies for the 
redundancy in cross-posts to the beloved sister lists. A lot of this stuff 
is posted to Portland Oregon Craigslist, as well.  Feel obliged to come 
check the stuff out in person- I'm in Northeast Portland, Oregon.

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread David Young
My 10 year old (50th percentile in height) just now fits an extra small adult 
mountain bike, and it's almost too big. It has a modern diamond frame so stand 
over issues aren't huge. I would think a mixie would be a must for a normal 
sized 6 year old. Gears are great and really increase the distance they can go. 
Off the shelf options aren't very good but I was tempted by a kids sized cross 
bike by Redline. 

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[RBW] Re: Wald Basket Mod

2015-01-29 Thread twin
I just disconnected all but three of the wires on my Wald basket to lower the 
height. I'm going to take it to school and have one of my high school guys/gals 
get the three that I guess are welded open. I look foward to this basket being 
shorter in height. Great idea!

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[RBW] FS: Marathon Supremes (70x50), BM Luxos U

2015-01-29 Thread gordo
Please excuse the cross-post from the i-bob list.

Looking for a new home for some items.  Happy to offer a discount for local 
pick-up in San Francisco.

1) Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires (700x50); new in packaging  - $120 
shipped for a pair (I have 4 total tires and would offer a discount if 
someone wants them all)

2) BM Luxos U headlight - 90 lux; new in packaging.  - $175 shipped 

3) Clement MXP folding tires (marked 700x33 and 120 tip); mounted once but 
didn't have enough clearance.  Basically brand new but without original 
packaging.
 - $60 shipped

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[RBW] Re: Towards a new category: high performance upright

2015-01-29 Thread twin
I feel like my Handsome Devil is close to what you are thinking and I may 
either have. 650B or 700c frame made by a local builder with this concept in 
mind.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 8 cm Tallux or Technomic Deluxe

2015-01-29 Thread Jack K
Hi Lungimsam,

Thanks for the reply. I'm being picky about this stem and pretty settled on 
an 8 cm Tallux or Tech Dlx, but thanks much for your generous stem offer!

Cheers and safe riding!

-Jack K.

Raleigh, NC


On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 1:48:33 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 I have a 7cm Technomic that has been mitred to shorten the rise by 1cm by 
 my reputable Rivfriendly ex-Rivendell dealer LBS you can have for 20$.

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Leslie
A good friend of mine has a couple of daughters older than my daughter, and 
he's good to find nice equipment for them, and passing it along.  So, for 
my daughter, I had two really good bikes for her as she was growing, until 
we could get her onto something that could last.   (And, one of them I've 
held onto, to pass along to my granddaughter once she's older).

Once my daughter was outgrowing the KHS, at that point, I put her on a Trek 
4300, 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/5840945443/in/set-72157623199721925 
, which could handle her when she was 9, but is capable of adjusting for 
her I can easily ride it if I crank up the seatpost...

Part of my thought on putting her on a 26 bike, even when she was 9, was 
that it was like a 29'er for her.   And it's 'upright' for her, too.   Not 
like she's was doing singletrack at 9.


But, I suppose, more to the point:   think that, instead of throwing down a 
lot of cash on a bike that gets them through until they're ready for a 
bigger bike, might suggest checking w/ friends that have kids a bit older, 
see if there's something that'll tide y'all over for a couple of years 

FWIW...



-L



On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-5, LeahFoy wrote:

 Hi, All,

 My 6 year old has almost outgrown his little Specialized Hotrock with 16 
 inch wheels. He will fit the 20 inch soon, if not now. I would like a new 
 bike for him by July, as we have some biking adventures planned and WOW 
 would it be nice for him to have bigger wheels and gears!

 Anyway, Specialized and Trek have their normal offerings, but I guess I am 
 looking for a Riv-esque bike. A bike with upright bars instead of those 
 slammed straight variety. Sadly, that is the bar-type on the 16 inch bike, 
 and it's perfect, but the bike companies do away with them on the bigger 
 bikes. And is is maybe too much to ask for something that would eventually 
 take a back rack (cringe)?

 Is there some off-brand that would accommodate these wishes?

 Thanks in advance!
 Leah


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[RBW] Re: Will's Pasadena Style Vs. Mark F's Rack Style.

2015-01-29 Thread hsmitham
Manny,

Pictures proved it happened! Neat trick too.

~Hugh



On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 11:14:24 AM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
 A picture proves that Mark F owns double flats.
 https://flic.kr/p/owX3B4
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 8 cm Tallux or Technomic Deluxe

2015-01-29 Thread lungimsam
No problem! I'm picky too! Totally understand.
Hope it's warmer down there than it is up here in Maryland!

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[RBW] How have your Rivendells held up on salty winter roads?

2015-01-29 Thread lungimsam
There is a 200k on March 5th I'd like to attempt. My only shot at training 
is during the next 5 weeks, and the roads here in Maryland are trashed with 
salt from the mild snows we have been getting, with more to come next week.
Looks like no salt free roads for the next 10 days with the forecast 
showing sporadic snows three times a week or so until then.

So how have your bikes fared in the heavy salt. I have full coverage 
fenders, so maybe that would help a lot.

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[RBW] Re: FS: near-mint Atlantis frameset and 26 Mavic/chris king wheelset

2015-01-29 Thread Wildcat96
Great news Z!  I'm so happy to hear it's going work out for you!  Make sure to 
post some pics when you get it built up.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread mikel66...@juno.com
i have this Trek 220 24 wheel bike for sale. $120 plus shipping

mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread cyclotourist
24 is  a great wheel size. I rushed my kids a bit to get them onto it, but
left them in it a while before moving to 26. It really rolls over bumps
and curbs a lot better than 20. Proportionately like a 29er to them as
Leslie mentioned!

Now scouring CL to find the perfect used 27.5 bike for them! Everything is
really high end, or really low end, hard to find the sweet spot with that
size.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Leah Peterson jonasandle...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I wish! He's much too small for the 24, I'm afraid. But thank you, really!

 Sent from my iPhone

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 wrote:
 
  i have this Trek 220 24 wheel bike for sale. $120 plus shipping
 
  mike goldman
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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
We simply went with older Trek MTBs in small, mixte sizes. They're a bit 
big at first, but kids are mighty adaptable. We put Albatross bard on them, 
with friction shifting. Craig's List is your friend in this endeavor. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike

2015-01-29 Thread LeahFoy
Honestly, I don't even know what to look for. I don't work on my own bikes (my 
husband is a white collar guy who knows less about bike mechanics than me!) and 
I wouldn't even know which Craigslist bike would be compatible with albatross 
bars and bar-end shifters. Who can give me a Old Trek Mtn Bike to Make Rivvy 
For Dummies checklist?

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