[RBW] I think I have the 98th Atlantis. Does anyone remember what was cool?

[lum gim fong]

Id like to see what the first run looked like if you care to post pics. I don't 
think i have seen one before except in RReaders.

What year did you buy it? Interested to know how old an original is.

I think they didn't have the "2" decal on the ST. Is that right?

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[RBW] Re: SKS B 65s or Velo Orange Zeppelins?

[Patrick Moore]

A rather late and more careful look at the VO site shows that the 700C
Noirs are available only up to 52 cm wide; not wide enough for me. So the
choice will be between the SKS B 65 and the VO Silver Fluted 63.

Therefore, remove the scratching question and answer the first, more
general question.

Ta!

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> For the Matthews, to replace the PB Cascadias, largely because the rear
> Cascadia has a cutout for the chain, and thus doesn't protect the chain
> from spray as well as if it did not.
>
> I'll want to amputate the front to avoid banging on roots and rocks, so
> the shorter front B 56 is not a problem; I'll just install a long flap.
>
> And: If you recommend the VOs, I want black: will the anodizing be
> scratched easily by thick brush or by the toes of my shoes swiping the
> front? (Considerable TCO.)
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe step through now configured for winter

[Belopsky]

hehe, "winter"

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe step through now configured for winter

[Jay Connolly]

Bill, I’m interested in the orientation on the bikepacking bag. Will you run 
the narrow end against the seat tube, with the bag flaring toward the head 
tube? Just wondering if you anticipate any interference with your knees. 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Jay Connolly]

John, I did not lower the saddle anything like 3cm. Maybe half that. I 
eyeballed the change, which probably came out to about a half-inch.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Deacon Patrick]

Great point, John. The closest analog to how to the foot works in cycling 
is squats. I may try riding barefoot again with these pedals (though the 
gaps are big, which may be problematic). For the last several years I've 
been riding in Xero Z-Trek sandals, so I keep all pins in. 
https://xeroshoes.com/shop/feeltrue-products/ztrek-men/.

For this winter I'll be trying their size 14 Coaltons with my boiled wool 
socks. https://xeroshoes.com/shop/shoes/casual-shoes/coalton/ They feel 
good so far on test rides at 35˚F, but that's a long way from -20˚F. Grin. 
Room for another pair of socks in there.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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>
> Hi,
>
>  Thanks Patrick & Jay for sharing your set up. Do you remember if you 
> needed to lower your saddles as much as the 2-3 cm's PI recommends? Less? 
> And Patrick, did you remove the pins so you could go barefoot?
>
>  Thanks Garth, but most of my shoes have flexible soles, so I'd like 
> to try a longer pedal to support my soles. The MKS Grip Kings are 78mm wide 
> x 116mm long vs the Catalysts which are 94mm wide x 127mm long (my 
> measurements). So far I like the spikes and the extra support provided by 
> the Catalysts. Riding faster doesn't really interest me right now versus 
> recovering, staying alive and just having some fun on my Hunqapillar.
>
>  I've been undergoing physical therapy, part of which involves doing 
> dead lifts & squats, after recovering from a retoperitoneal hematoma and 
> hospital-acquired infection. It was the idea behind the Catalysts which 
> interested me, and I wanted to see if biking using the Catalysts would work 
> in sync with my other exercises. So far, I agree with Patrick & Jay, the 
> larger platforms are really comfortable and fun to ride on.
>  
>  Anyone else trying the Catalysts?
>
> Thanx,
>
> John Phillips
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 5:47:35 PM UTC-7, John wrote:
>>
>>   I've been trying out the Catalyst pedals from Pedalling Innovations on 
>> my Hunqapillar, and I was curious if anyone else is using them on their 
>> Riv, and what, if any, changes / adjustments you needed to make?
>>
>>I'm starting out with their recommended adjustments to my saddle, 
>> which meant lowering my Albatross bars a bit. I'm still getting used to 
>> riding with the spindle under my arch so I'm not quite sure if I'll keep my 
>> saddle & handlebars where they are.
>>
>>If anyone else is using the Catalyst pedals, I'd like to hear if 
>> and/or how you adjusted your Riv to ride with these pedals.
>>
>> Thnx!
>>
>> John Phillips
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[John]

Hi,

 Thanks Patrick & Jay for sharing your set up. Do you remember if you 
needed to lower your saddles as much as the 2-3 cm's PI recommends? Less? 
And Patrick, did you remove the pins so you could go barefoot?

 Thanks Garth, but most of my shoes have flexible soles, so I'd like to 
try a longer pedal to support my soles. The MKS Grip Kings are 78mm wide x 
116mm long vs the Catalysts which are 94mm wide x 127mm long (my 
measurements). So far I like the spikes and the extra support provided by 
the Catalysts. Riding faster doesn't really interest me right now versus 
recovering, staying alive and just having some fun on my Hunqapillar.

 I've been undergoing physical therapy, part of which involves doing 
dead lifts & squats, after recovering from a retoperitoneal hematoma and 
hospital-acquired infection. It was the idea behind the Catalysts which 
interested me, and I wanted to see if biking using the Catalysts would work 
in sync with my other exercises. So far, I agree with Patrick & Jay, the 
larger platforms are really comfortable and fun to ride on.
 
 Anyone else trying the Catalysts?

Thanx,

John Phillips

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 5:47:35 PM UTC-7, John wrote:
>
>   I've been trying out the Catalyst pedals from Pedalling Innovations on 
> my Hunqapillar, and I was curious if anyone else is using them on their 
> Riv, and what, if any, changes / adjustments you needed to make?
>
>I'm starting out with their recommended adjustments to my saddle, which 
> meant lowering my Albatross bars a bit. I'm still getting used to riding 
> with the spindle under my arch so I'm not quite sure if I'll keep my saddle 
> & handlebars where they are.
>
>If anyone else is using the Catalyst pedals, I'd like to hear if and/or 
> how you adjusted your Riv to ride with these pedals.
>
> Thnx!
>
> John Phillips
>

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[RBW] SKS B 65s or Velo Orange Zeppelins?

[Patrick Moore]

For the Matthews, to replace the PB Cascadias, largely because the rear
Cascadia has a cutout for the chain, and thus doesn't protect the chain
from spray as well as if it did not.

I'll want to amputate the front to avoid banging on roots and rocks, so the
shorter front B 56 is not a problem; I'll just install a long flap.

And: If you recommend the VOs, I want black: will the anodizing be
scratched easily by thick brush or by the toes of my shoes swiping the
front? (Considerable TCO.)

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Jay Connolly]

If you accept the developer’s research, then pedalling midfoot is not entirely 
the point. It’s a matter of applying the “lifting” force from more of the foot. 
If memory serves, he says the benefit will come only if the force is applied 
from either side of the arch. Whether you accept his thinking (and research or 
not), it’s worth a look-over to understand the development of the pedal.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Soma Supple Vitesse for sale

[Steve Butcher]

The tires have sold.  

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 5:07:58 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> No inquiries, yet, so I'd entertain offers.  
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:51:22 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> Price drop and bump...$70.00 for the pair-shipped CONUS.  I know they're 
>> skinny by today's standards but they're mighty supple.  
>>
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 8:28:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm offering for sale one pair of Soma Supple Vitesse EX 700 x 28c 
>>> tires.  They have under 200 miles on them and are in very good condition 
>>> with no cuts nor any history of flats.  I'd like to get $80.00 (PayPal 
>>> Family and Friends) shipped in Continental U.S.  Please PM me with any 
>>> questions.  Thanks, Steve.
>>>
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[RBW] FS: NIB Shutter Precision PV-8 Hub Dynamo

[Randall Rupp]

New, in box, Shutter Precision PV-8 Hub Dynamo - QR 9x100mm - 32 Hole - 
Silver

$75 +shipping CONUS, contact off list.


Ordered 32 hole instead of 36 by mistake back in March

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Garth]

The Pic here : 
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/c3/9f/91c39f707647d2f13e3942f49ed73736.jpg


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[RBW] Re: Any MUSA 650b tire makers?

[oldmangabe]

There are no bicycle tires made in the USA. There is no infrastructure or 
skills to do so. 

Gabe

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 10:51:26 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Know of any?

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe step through now configured for winter

[Bill Lindsay]

I tried to mount the fenders so the knobbies will still fit 

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe step through now configured for winter

[Deacon Patrick]

Bike looks amazing!

My brain is attempting to reconcile one side of the equation with the 
other. Does not compute. Grin. 
Winter = remove knobbies.

With abandon,
Patrick, for whom a mild winter looks like 
this: http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/winters-glory



On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 11:50:42 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I enjoyed getting some off-road riding in on my Rosco Bubbe Step Through 
> with ~2.1" knobbies.  Then I did some long road rides with Babyshoe Pass 
> tires, and it excelled at that as well.  Now I've got it configured for 
> Winter with full coverage hammered Honjo fenders, and I've gone to a little 
> more tread with some Grand Bois Hetre tires that were in the stash.  For 
> the next step I will install a rear Nitto Campee rack, so I'll have a setup 
> that can accept four removable lowriders.  
>
>
>
> 
>
> With the rear rack installed, I'll have the ability to run front and rear 
> panniers, a rear saddlebag, a front shopsack and handlebar tube.  I've also 
> determined that my Relevate bikepacking frame bag fits on TOP of the top 
> tube.  That makes it not so much of a step-through, but it give me a bike 
> with tons and tons of carrying capacity.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Any MUSA 650b tire makers?

[lum gim fong]

Know of any?

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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe step through now configured for winter

[Bill Lindsay]

I enjoyed getting some off-road riding in on my Rosco Bubbe Step Through 
with ~2.1" knobbies.  Then I did some long road rides with Babyshoe Pass 
tires, and it excelled at that as well.  Now I've got it configured for 
Winter with full coverage hammered Honjo fenders, and I've gone to a little 
more tread with some Grand Bois Hetre tires that were in the stash.  For 
the next step I will install a rear Nitto Campee rack, so I'll have a setup 
that can accept four removable lowriders.  




With the rear rack installed, I'll have the ability to run front and rear 
panniers, a rear saddlebag, a front shopsack and handlebar tube.  I've also 
determined that my Relevate bikepacking frame bag fits on TOP of the top 
tube.  That makes it not so much of a step-through, but it give me a bike 
with tons and tons of carrying capacity.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Jim M.]

The only things that will make a significant difference in speed are legs, 
lungs, and brain. 

just ridin'
jim m
walnut creek

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[RBW] Re: Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

[lum gim fong]

Is that with I's Bikes? 

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[RBW] Re: Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

[Belopsky]

Better than any of the alternatives if one wants Hetre
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xgrand+bois+hetre.TRS1&_nkw=grand+bois+hetre&_sacat=0

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 9:26:21 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> It's easy to get a shipping estimate from a website like Grand Bois.  Add 
> items to the cart, then checkout as guest, fill out the form with a dummy 
> name and address, just use a valid zipcode of some sort. Then you will have 
> an exact quote. For the heck of it I added 2 Hetre and I don't recall the 
> exact numbers but it ended up being like low to mid 50's per tire to the 
> midwest US. 4 tires was not much better. I find it odd that very few sell 
> the GB tires in the US anymore, all went to Compass. I also find it funny 
> how so many are sold tight around the same price of 57-59$ , not unlike the 
> "magical" 19.99 ads on the tele !  Monkey see, monkey copy ! 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Deacon Patrick]

To expand on my previous post: I don't track milage or mph or time. I just 
ride. What I do notice is if I'm in a higher or lower gear on a given 
section. A myriad of factors effect this, starting in greatest significance 
with the state of the engine. Am I more tired and thus going slower with 
the same effort? I always start there. Then environmental factors come next 
in significance. Wind? Wet /muddy ground? Hotter? Colder? Am I dressed 
right or wrong? Then comes the bike. The pedals make a great difference in 
comfort all the time. Comfort CAN translate to greater efficiency and thus 
speed over time, but be a very subtle difference. I noticed perception of 
increased power in low torque situations (climbing, esp. at lower cadences) 
and need to observe if this is confirmed by a half gear increase in my 
climbs. If so, that's quite a big difference given the amount of time spent 
climbing vs descending on any given ride.

Grip King question: No. No other pedal on the market is as long as this. 
Here is a comparison shot of the Catalyst vs VP Vice:


With abandon,
Patrick

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> Any increase in average speeds with Catalysts?
> Need to change seat height?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Jay Connolly]

No question that I’m just as slow with the Catalysts. Seat comes down, yes. 

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

Any increase in average speeds with Catalysts?
Need to change seat height?

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[RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

[lum gim fong]

Like iphones
Same price everywhere seems like.

I remember the huge price diff in Nifty Swiftys between RBW and Niagara.
I asked RBW about this.
RBW said they didnt like the idea  that Niagara could sell so cheap as they 
didnt bear the R/E/design costs. But RBW said they couldn't do same because RBW 
bore the R/E/design costs.

Perhaps Compass is the only US distributor.
Maybe this helps then ensure uniform pricing nationwide.
Like PJWhite with Son hubs. But I think there is another SONhub distributor in 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Jay Connolly]

Probably depends on the length of the rider’s foot. The catalysts are designed 
to bridge the entire arch of the foot. It works even with my huge feet, 
removing the concentration of pressure from the ball of the foot. According to 
the hype on the Pedalling innovations page, optimal efficiency will be achieved 
only in this centered orientation. YMMV. Works for me. The MKS pedals are 
almost an inch shorter, I believe, but they may well provide the same 
experience to riders with feet smaller than mine.

Jay 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[lum gim fong]

would grip kings do the same thing as catalyst?

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[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

[Kellie]

Thanks for sharing; great photos.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 7:19:50 PM UTC-7, MountNormal wrote:
>
> So I took my bicycle on its first camping trip. A 52 mile round trip s24o 
> with stops along the way to enjoy the scenery and make adjustments to my 
> saddle and handlebar height...it's getting dialed in. The trip was topped 
> off with a sunrise coffee drinking session.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

Good advice, to carry fresh patch glue! Nothing quite like trying to patch
and finding the tube has gone solid.

On that topic: Has anyone found a way to buy the little Rema tubes that
actually fit inside the patch kit? All the ones I’ve found that are sold
individually are larger (longer) than the little blue plastic box.

Not the end of the world, but as I rarely (if ever) use up a tube I’d much
rather the smaller ones that fit.


Reed

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 6:52 PM 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Back in the day, when I rode my mountain bike in the southern California
>> desert, goat heads were a constant problem. I finally retired a tube with
>> 23 patches on it.  I found that Rema's with fresh glue (I buy a new tube of
>> glue every year, which reminds me...), works the best. Proper tube prep and
>> letting the glue get tacky is key, followed by a through and strong rub
>> down. I haven't had a patch fail in a long time. I carry a spare tube and a
>> patch kit but always patch my tube on the side of the road rather than
>> putting in the tube. I carry the tube just in case a valve rips at the
>> tube.  Now I will jinx myself by being grateful for living free from flats,
>> here in Bend. My tubes usually die from age now, rather than too many
>> patches.
>>
>
> Clayton Bailey
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[RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

[Garth]

It's easy to get a shipping estimate from a website like Grand Bois.  Add items 
to the cart, then checkout as guest, fill out the form with a dummy name and 
address, just use a valid zipcode of some sort. Then you will have an exact 
quote. For the heck of it I added 2 Hetre and I don't recall the exact numbers 
but it ended up being like low to mid 50's per tire to the midwest US. 4 tires 
was not much better. I find it odd that very few sell the GB tires in the US 
anymore, all went to Compass. I also find it funny how so many are sold tight 
around the same price of 57-59$ , not unlike the "magical" 19.99 ads on the 
tele !  Monkey see, monkey copy ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Experience with wiggys boots or chukkas?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Patrick, I remembered that you had spoken highly of the long johns
and know many people (including Grant) vouch for their sleeping bags.

Philip I couldn't agree more about blundstones, I have a pair of their
steel toe boots and they are my go to boot when my work travel takes me to
industrial sites, super easy on/off at TSA!  I've thought about adding a
pair of their regular boots as well. I've even considered their 'dressier'
versions to augment or replace some work shoes.  Very comfortable, easy on
and off.  I haven't used them for riding though I'm sure they'd do fine. I
think they do make a cold weather version, or maybe the regular plus the
Wiggy's socks would accomplish a similar idea to the Wiggy's Chukkas.  From
the website it looks like he throws in a pair of the socks w/ the boots so
the $200 boots are insulated and come with $35 or 45 insulated socks
(depending on height).

Maybe I'll just go ahead and get the socks and see what I think about the
lamilite insulation on my feet w/ boots I've already got.  Every year as it
gets colder (hasn't yet in VA) I go back to his site thinking about trying
them...



On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:34 AM Philip Kim  wrote:

> I can't attest to the wiggys but i can attest to blundstones
>
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 8:58:05 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> I know Riv had carried some Wiggys gear in the past and I love the copy
>> on their stuff. Meant to buy a pair of the socks last year but didn't and
>> was checking out the site today and tempted by the insulated chukkas as a
>> cold weather riding shoe and camping go to.  Can't find allot of feedback
>> on them other than testimonials in Wiggys site.  Anyway, curious if anyone
>> here has tried them out.  Thanks.
>>
>> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for sharing!

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 10:45:50 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Here is an old order of mine for 2 tires and some bits:
>
> Item Name: GrandBois tire Cypres700 700x30C 700×30C (30-622)/スタンダード | 
> Standard
> Item Price: 4,320 JPY
> Qty: 2
> Item Total: 8,640 JPY
>
> Item Name: GrandBois Brake Springs for GrandBois Chouette/Normal
> Item Total: 1,080 JPY
>
> Item Name: GrandBois Brake Shoe Adjuster
> Item Total: 5,400 JPY
> 
>
> Subtotal: 15,120 JPY
> Shipping: 2,500 JPY
> Processing Fee: 0 JPY
> Tax: -1,120 JPY
> Total: 16,500 JPY
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[RBW] Re: Anyone using Catalyst Pedals on their Rivendell?

[Jay Connolly]

I have these pedals on my Joe and really like them. It took a few rides to 
adjust to riding with the foot more forward, but now I don’t even think about 
it, even though I have these on only one of several bikes. I bought them 
because flats cause me hotfoot on rides of more than about an hour. These 
pedals solved the problem. I’ll probably pick up one more set before too long.

Jay 

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[RBW] Re: Soma Supple Vitesse for sale

[Steve Butcher]

No inquiries, yet, so I'd entertain offers.  

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:51:22 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Price drop and bump...$70.00 for the pair-shipped CONUS.  I know they're 
> skinny by today's standards but they're mighty supple.  
>
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 8:28:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> I'm offering for sale one pair of Soma Supple Vitesse EX 700 x 28c 
>> tires.  They have under 200 miles on them and are in very good condition 
>> with no cuts nor any history of flats.  I'd like to get $80.00 (PayPal 
>> Family and Friends) shipped in Continental U.S.  Please PM me with any 
>> questions.  Thanks, Steve.
>>
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