Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

[rltilley]

My Hubbuhubbuh is set up like that as well. Not for any aesthetic reason but 
due to the fact that Velocity doesn’t make 40 hole rear hubs in silver. Peter 
White recommended that hub for our use case so I went with it despite most of 
the bike having silver components. 

The wheels are far enough apart that it isn’t really noticeable.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 27, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Check out Will's new Platypus on the Riv News Blog: black rear hub, silver 
> SON front. It's the cool thing now! 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:34:11 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>> Yes, I am looking for 135 OLD this time.  But Andy  I am thinking on the 
>> same lines as you,  with a silver SON dyno hub for the front wheel.  Black 
>> and silver, they’re both good…..I appreciate very much all I’ve learned on 
>> this forum.  It’s like bicycle college for someone like me.  
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>  For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver are 
>>> 135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub. 
>>> 
 On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
 
 I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. My 
 polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider myself 
 a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was 
 definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and 
 construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without 
 particular ranking. 
 
 I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
 Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
 good. Suzue Classico
 
 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:
> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a rear 
> hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in 
> color, and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on 
> the Riv site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  
> Coasting silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  
> Anybody have suggestions?
> 
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Philip Williamson]

I agree about the charming hand-made artifact-ness of the paper and ink 
version. It’s super clear and well designed. There’s lots of space to the 
sides for builder names or notes.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 8:00:47 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I love the drawing.  Please keep it in the digital version.  I connect 
> better w/handwritten, hand drawn.  More comprehensible to me.
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 7:19:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yeah good point about the Soma, if I'm going to mention Heron by the same 
>> logic that frame should be included. I debated that one also. 
>>
>> Redwood is a neat one, being a different name for the tallest sizes! I 
>> assume the distinction is some design difference (tubing?) to suit the 
>> extra big 65/68 sizes? 
>>
>> On Sat., Nov. 27, 2021, 4:15 p.m. Karl Wilcox,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am glad to see you got the ‘Redwood’ frame in there!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2021, at 3:29 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
>>> Standard, I think by '96.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv Readers, 
 as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via archive.org (it was 
 veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was rivendellbicycles.com, then 
 moved to the current home of rivbike.com - I've perused probably 
 upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites today).  

 I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of you 
 so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point out 
 omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of 
 some 
 of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where each 
 model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in addition 
 to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
 takes.  

 Please let me know if you see something missing or incorrect!  Note: I 
 left Protovelo's out because I'm not considering prototypes to be 
 relevant; 
 I might be missing some Rosco's but only the Bubbe 51 and Road 55.5 are 
 ones I have any info on. The step-thru version seems to have snuck past my 
 research so far. 

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[RBW] Blue Lug shop tour

[Christine Rose]

https://youtu.be/CcIEsp-n4no
I thought this video tour of Blue Lug would be of interest to the group. I 
could spend hours in that shop! Unfortunately he isn't familiar with 
Rivendell, so he didn't fawn over them. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650B Velocity/Suntour Wheelset

[Johnny Alien]

Info I forgot. They are 32 spoke rims and the rear is 135

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 5:04:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> This is the 650b wheelset that was on my Riv Saluki.  Velocity Synergy 
> rims. The back rim is asymmetrical. The rear hub is a Suntour XC pro and 
> will come with the 11-28 8 speed cassette with it. The front hub is a 
> silver Suzue hub.  Wheels are in great shape. $275 shipped in the USA.
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Re: [RBW] More...Autumn in Japan

[Paul Richardson]

feeling thankful for the opportunity to lay eyes on these photos!  looks 
like a heckuva place to ride a bicycle.  thanks for this post.

paul
takoma park, md.


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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[iamkeith]

Regarding builders:  Joe Starck definitely built Road and All Rounder 
frames.  I'm not so sure he built Rambouillets, unless perhaps a prototype 
or two?   

It occurs to me that the Roco Bebe kid-carrier bike is missing from your 
list.

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 1:34:30 PM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:

> Those are pretty collectible then!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 28, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> As Ryan stated there are in fact a few RS-made Rivs out there. Very few. 
>
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:22:14 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> Sachs designed the lugs used on the earliest models.  He didn’t make them 
>> or any frames. Waterford was the earliest vendor and as others have noted, 
>> a few other small builders have helped over the years, Nobilette most 
>> recently. Toyo did several frame models for a period of about 5 years, and 
>> Panasonic had one too. Panasonic and Urema did painting in Japan.  Maxway 
>> in Taiwan has been a major supplier of late.  
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had 
>> a long waiting list?
>>
>>
>> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  
>>> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
>>> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
>>> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
>>> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
>>> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
>>> started. 2005 or so?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
 all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
 Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of 
 this 
 thing. 

 I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
 prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
 color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, 
 back 
 to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
 sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
 the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  

 I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint 
 choice will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of 
 the beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 

 On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to 
> Grant's 
> ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
> custom 
> is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Nice work, Jason!
>>
>> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
>> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
>> a 
>> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>>
>> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
>> only ever seen two of them. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how 
>>> many 
>>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>>> the 
>>> MIT batch rolled in?  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about 
 a 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good 
 ways to 
 go before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is 
 limited to 
 what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most 
 part, 

Re: [RBW] More...Autumn in Japan

[John Rinker]

Thank you for your kind words. Japan is an easy place to take fine photos 
as it seems one simply need point a camera in any direction and click! 
Though, to be fair, most places are like this when our eyes are open to the 
incredible beauty around us.

Cheers.

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 10:22:09 PM UTC+9 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> John, I also enjoyed your pictures, especially the last one which looks 
> like a Maple in its finest fall glory. I’m guessing its an Acer palmatum in 
> it natural habitat. I grow  this as an ornamental in my yard, seems silly 
> to use its common name here, Japanese Maple, as thats where you are.   Steve
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 8:31 PM JAS  wrote:
>
>> Your photos are beautiful, John.  The light and composition of the first 
>> one with the trees bending over your bike should be on a magazine cover.  
>> Brilliant.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 4:12:33 PM UTC-8 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>
>>> stunning photos!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 6:10 PM esoterica etc  
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Thanks for sharing your pics John, they are gorgeous! Would love to 
 visit Japan someday. Enjoy your Thanksgiving weekend,

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC


 On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Spent the day in the Tanzawa-Oyama mountains enjoying perfect 
> temperatures, steep, isolated tracks, and stunning Autumn colors. 
> Thankful, 
> indeed!
> [image: IMG_0291.jpeg][image: IMG_0280.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_0296.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_0285.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_0303.jpeg]
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[RBW] FS - Size L long sleeve tee Navy

[J Imler]

$40 shipped CONUS. Very good used condition.

Pics - 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-DdqHENLA9BU87JYE1ZzzIA3xV35-V6b




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Re: [RBW] FS: Many bike parts (google doc)

[Thomas Lawn]

Hi Drew,

I’m interested in the XTR rear hub ($20) and Sugino GX cranks ($10), and 
shipping to 97206.

If you know what spindle the Sugino GX is intended for off the top of your 
head, I’d be much obliged for that info!

Thanks,
Thomas in Portland
On Nov 28, 2021, 1:43 PM -0800, Drew Saunders , wrote:
> It's time to clear out my old bike parts "for another build...some day." Most 
> are from the 1990's and early 2000's. Wheels (including one Wheelsmith built) 
> and hubs, cranks and chainrings, cassettes, freewheels and fixed cogs, 
> pedals, derailleurs, shifters, stems, handlebars, books and even a "Rivendell 
> Riders" Brooks saddle!
>
> Here's the Google doc:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IIh2YvmNtzTB-o3Y45TyOumg6qYnxTqgLO0zzHgH_9k/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Weights are listed to help you estimate shipping. I have an account with 
> pirateship.com, who offer good rates on USPS and UPS. Local pick up in Palo 
> Alto, California is an option, and I'd encourage it for the wheels and 
> handlebars, for which I don't have large enough boxes handy (but I could find 
> them).
>
> Please reply directly to me (drew.saund...@gmail.com) with the items you're 
> interested in. Once I get an email, I'll mark the item as "pending" and reply 
> with whether or not the item(s) are available and if you want them shipped, 
> an estimate on the shipping cost. If you agree, I'll box and re-weigh and 
> send you the total cost including shipping. Once payment is done, the item 
> will be marked as "Sold."
>
> I could re-photograph anything if you want more details on a specific part.
>
> As the list is extensive, I won't reply to this post until everything is 
> gone, or nearly so, so as to avoid spamming the group.
>
> Happy Shopping and Riding!
>
> Drew
>
> P.S. Some of you have bought from this doc before as you placed WTB requests 
> that matched items I had while I was still working on the doc. Since then, I 
> added the books and two Brooks saddles.
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[RBW] FS: 650B Velocity/Suntour Wheelset

[Johnny Alien]

This is the 650b wheelset that was on my Riv Saluki.  Velocity Synergy 
rims. The back rim is asymmetrical. The rear hub is a Suntour XC pro and 
will come with the 11-28 8 speed cassette with it. The front hub is a 
silver Suzue hub.  Wheels are in great shape. $275 shipped in the USA.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone heard the Silver rear hubs?

[Jim Whorton]

Yes, the mixed colors do look cool on Will's bike.  The panda pedals make 
it clear that the mixing of silver and black was no accident in this case.

Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 6:49:28 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Check out Will's new Platypus on the Riv News Blog: black rear hub, silver 
> SON front. It's the cool thing now! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:34:11 PM UTC-8 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am looking for 135 OLD this time.  But Andy  I am thinking on the 
>> same lines as you,  with a silver SON dyno hub for the front wheel.  Black 
>> and silver, they’re both good…..I appreciate very much all I’ve learned on 
>> this forum.  It’s like bicycle college for someone like me.  
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:59:42 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>  For clarity sake Andy the Classico is a 130mm hub and the Deore/Silver 
>>> are 135mm and Jim needs a 135mm hub. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:37:37 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>>

 I had the silver rear hub plight building up a new bike in '20. 
 My polished silver SON SL front hub was a given and I didn't consider 
 myself a victim of symmetry to want a polished silver rear hub. Noise was 
 definitely a consideration as long as the hub was of sound design and 
 construction. Aesthetics definitely floated around in my bucket without 
 particular ranking. 

 I ended up with a Suzue Classico cassette hub. Yeah it's noisier than a 
 Deore but it hit it out of the park on all the other points and so far so 
 good. Suzue Classico 

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh
 On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.  I am planning a wheel build.  For a 
> rear hub, I need something like the Deore T610…but it has to be silver in 
> color, and those are scarce.  The Silver brand rear hubs look pretty on 
> the 
> Riv site, but it sounds like they’re a little noisier than Deore.  
> Coasting 
> silently past a woodpecker or owl is really important to me!  Anybody 
> have 
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
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[RBW] FS: Many bike parts (google doc)

[Drew Saunders]

It's time to clear out my old bike parts "for another build...some day." 
Most are from the 1990's and early 2000's. Wheels (including one Wheelsmith 
built) and hubs, cranks and chainrings, cassettes, freewheels and fixed 
cogs, pedals, derailleurs, shifters, stems, handlebars, books and even a 
"Rivendell Riders" Brooks saddle!

Here's the Google doc:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IIh2YvmNtzTB-o3Y45TyOumg6qYnxTqgLO0zzHgH_9k/edit?usp=sharing

Weights are listed to help you estimate shipping. I have an account with 
pirateship.com, who offer good rates on USPS and UPS. Local pick up in Palo 
Alto, California is an option, and I'd encourage it for the wheels and 
handlebars, for which I don't have large enough boxes handy (but I could 
find them).

Please reply directly to me (drew.saund...@gmail.com) with the items you're 
interested in. Once I get an email, I'll mark the item as "pending" and 
reply with whether or not the item(s) are available and if you want them 
shipped, an estimate on the shipping cost. If you agree, I'll box and 
re-weigh and send you the total cost including shipping. Once payment is 
done, the item will be marked as "Sold." 

I could re-photograph anything if you want more details on a specific part.

As the list is extensive, I won't reply to this post until everything is 
gone, or nearly so, so as to avoid spamming the group.

Happy Shopping and Riding!

Drew

P.S. Some of you have bought from this doc before as you placed WTB 
requests that matched items I had while I was still working on the doc. 
Since then, I added the books and two Brooks saddles.

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[RBW] Re: DMV Area Rivendell Riders

[mrb]

While out today in Rock Creek Park (not on my Riv, unfortunately), I saw 
THREE new Rivs I haven't seen before!

- A nicely racked up and fendered Hunq
- A different Hunq 
- Maybe a custom or a road? Greenish silverish and said "Rivendell"

Best part was seeing the racked up, very upright and comfortable Hunq 
rider, whose smile was visible from a mile away. I swear half the time i 
see a rider with a big smile, upright position, and a steel bike, it's a 
Riv!

A Rivendell just makes you happy to Ride!

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:05:27 PM UTC-4 Chris M wrote:

> MRB-- 
>
> I think that was me on the burgundy custom on 5th! That was my first ride 
> on it, so I haven't taken photos yet. I'm in Takoma Park, too! Seems like a 
> Rivendell-ish sort of town. 
>
> A meetup sounds fun! 
>
> -Chris 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:12:58 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>
>> We should do a meetup sometime!
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 10:28:56 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Michael,
>>> I live in Arlington with my MIT Atlantis.  Take a look at it on another 
>>> thread -- Show Me Your Atlantis.  Most of my riding allows me to ride from 
>>> my home in Rosslyn or start a short drive away -- the Mt. Vernon Trail, the 
>>> C Canal, the Anacostia Trail, the Arlington Loop, Haynes Point, and my 
>>> most regular ride a 10-miler from home around the U.S. Capitol and back.  I 
>>> tend to ride just after dawn as the trails are not crowded at that time. 
>>>  Thanks for starting this thread.
>>> Steve
>>> Arlington
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:59:55 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 Hey, Tom here!
 I ride a limeolive Platypus and I live out in the Herndon area 
 (Virginia).  I typically don't make it to DC with that bike very often -- 
 maybe I will more when the Silver Line station near my house opens next 
 spring.   I'm active with Fairfax Alliance for Better Bicycling out this 
 way.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Thanksgiving rides? and a Platy goes on 1st cruise

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Looks like a blast! Glad to see folks out enjoying their step throughs to 
the fullest extent. While I can claim membership in the Rivendell 
Mixte/Clem club, my Clem is an H model and my mixte only has ONE single 
lug! (though it's beautiful WI borne TIG beads are sooo lovely, I bought 
TWO!). Thanks for sharing the good times and gooder bikes
-Kai

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Yankeebird, 
>
> You dodged a bullet by not giving up on that Clem! I suffered with the 
> extended front end problem too (I had a thread that got a LOT of 
> participation over this issue) but once I got it dialed in with an 8 cm 
> stem it is fantastic. That blue Clem will never be for sale. Ever ever 
> ever. And like you, I have the Rivendell mixte and the Clem and I so agree 
> that there are uses for BOTH. (By my count of people who have both it is: 
> you, Joyce, Junie, Emily, Sofiya, Grant, and me.)They feel like totally 
> different machines to me, and I get joy out of riding both. I park them 
> next to each other in the garage just glancing at them on my way by fills 
> me with happiness. They are SO beautiful. 
>
> I’m thrilled for your friend and her new Platypus. It really is such a 
> wonderful bike. Rare like its namesake, it’s a treat to see Platy Posts. 
> Will from Rivendell got his Platypus built up and it’s posted on the News 
> section of the Rivendell website. Hope we get to see more of these rare 
> creatures; the next run of them is going to be a much greater number.
>
> L
>
> On Nov 27, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Yankeebird  wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
> She secured her Platypus during the initial offering, but due to 
> Circumstances Beyond Her Control it sat unused for many months- but we are 
> here now, and thankful! 
> This is her second Riv. She had a 51 AHH but it was actually a bit small, 
> despite all the assurances of the WC team. It seems that the older Riv 
> philosophy of sizing up if close to two sizes still applies despite the new 
> geometries. Additionally, she did not like the 650b wheel size. The AHH 
> went off to a good home on a farm somewhere and she got the 700cc 55cm 
> Platypus. The Platypus solved many problems and it was love at first ride! 
> The location of the bag means she doesn't have to fully dismount to access 
> things, she likes it there better, and unlike basket, rain protection and 
> no hardware!
>
> Interestingly enough this was only my second "longer" ride on the Clem... 
> I've been discouraged on the bike since it came with the new sneaky 
> "Extended Front End" but with a short DirtDrop it's really come into its 
> own on the old dirt roads of New England. I *almost* sold it a few months 
> back! So glad I didn't! While there is overlap between the Cheviot and 
> Clem, they both do certain things much better than the other. It's nice to 
> have the operational spread.
>
> Phenomenal bike, that Platypus. 
>
> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 11:22:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The Platypus salute is so awesome 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, this warms my post-turkey Thanksgiving heart. A Clem AND a Platy and 
>>> #RivSisters and a new Platy owner salute. Way to make my night! Since this 
>>> Platy is on its first cruise, I’m curious where your friend found it. They 
>>> are so, so rare. I’ve been keeping an eye out a couple of people just 
>>> pining for the enigmatic and coveted Rivendell Platypus. I’m so glad your 
>>> friend found her very own. Is this her first Rivendell?
>>>
>>> Also, I have never ever seen a Saddlesack put on the handlebars! Very 
>>> creative, and it looks like it will work great. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-8 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 Anyone get any nice Thanksgiving rides in yesterday? Care to share?!

 We took a nice ride along the East Branch of the Westfield River in 
 Chesterfield, MA. 12 miles roundtrip on an old truck road. Picnic on a 
 sandbar. Probably picked up some ticks too! I've never been here, I have 
 no 
 real connection to MA, and it was, dare I say, gorges? (nyuk nyuk nyuk, 
 with apologies to Ithaca) Someone inaugurated their Platypus on the ride 
 as 
 well! Stupendous! Thanksgiving rides are the best.

 Yup, all drivetrain side down at Picnic Time. There was another bike 
 but off frame. That's my Clem in the front and my older Surly CC with a 
 Alfine 8 and Albatross bars that is now basically my brothers bike since 
 he 
 commandeered it from me two years ago and hasn't given it back:
 [image: PXL_20211125_191837010.jpg]

 Proud new Platypus owner! "My wrists didn't hurt!" and "I can't believe 
 I rode 12 miles over all those rocks and I feel fine today" means that we 
 have achieved SUCCESS:
 [image: PXL_20211125_192734966.jpg]

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Bruce Herbitter]

Those are pretty collectible then!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 28, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> As Ryan stated there are in fact a few RS-made Rivs out there. Very few. 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:22:14 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>> Sachs designed the lugs used on the earliest models.  He didn’t make them or 
>> any frames. Waterford was the earliest vendor and as others have noted, a 
>> few other small builders have helped over the years, Nobilette most 
>> recently. Toyo did several frame models for a period of about 5 years, and 
>> Panasonic had one too. Panasonic and Urema did painting in Japan.  Maxway in 
>> Taiwan has been a major supplier of late.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Nov 28, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
 
>>> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had a 
>>> long waiting list?
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
>>> 
 On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
 Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  and 
 tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
 and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 
 and they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road 
 delivered 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other 
 builders , one of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their 
 sole custom  builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped 
 and Nobilette started. 2005 or so?
 
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of 
> this thing. 
> 
> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, 
> back to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
> 
> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
> 
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
>> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
>> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to 
>> Grant's ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the 
>> discussion a custom is any Riv frame where you were able to change a 
>> spec at purchase time.  
>> 
>> Joe Bernard
>> 
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Nice work, Jason!
>>> 
>>> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
>>> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model 
>>> getting a name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>>> 
>>> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
>>> only ever seen two of them. 
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> 
 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
 My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
 Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa 
 exploration, with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. 
 Any idea how many were produced, and whether I got my production year 
 right?  And am I missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between 
 '12 and '16 when the MIT batch rolled in?  
 
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
> to go before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is 
> limited to what I've found either in the reader or on the website for 
> the most part, and there's a lot that's not really covered in those 
> spots.  
> 
> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain 
> (Expedition? 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Joe Bernard]

As Ryan stated there are in fact a few RS-made Rivs out there. Very few. 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:22:14 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> Sachs designed the lugs used on the earliest models.  He didn’t make them 
> or any frames. Waterford was the earliest vendor and as others have noted, 
> a few other small builders have helped over the years, Nobilette most 
> recently. Toyo did several frame models for a period of about 5 years, and 
> Panasonic had one too. Panasonic and Urema did painting in Japan.  Maxway 
> in Taiwan has been a major supplier of late.  
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 28, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had 
> a long waiting list?
>
>
> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
>
> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  
>> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
>> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
>> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
>> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
>> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
>> started. 2005 or so?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
>>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
>>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this 
>>> thing. 
>>>
>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
>>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
>>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back 
>>> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
>>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
>>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>>
>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
 between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
 Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
 ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
 custom 
 is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice work, Jason!
>
> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
> a 
> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>
> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
> only ever seen two of them. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>> the 
>> MIT batch rolled in?  
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
>>> to go 
>>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited 
>>> to 
>>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most 
>>> part, 
>>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>>
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain 
>>> (Expedition? 
>>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the 
>>> Road 
>>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>>
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Bruce Herbitter]

Sachs designed the lugs used on the earliest models.  He didn’t make them or 
any frames. Waterford was the earliest vendor and as others have noted, a few 
other small builders have helped over the years, Nobilette most recently. Toyo 
did several frame models for a period of about 5 years, and Panasonic had one 
too. Panasonic and Urema did painting in Japan.  Maxway in Taiwan has been a 
major supplier of late.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 28, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
> 
> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had a 
> long waiting list?
> 
> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
> 
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  and 
>> tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford and 
>> working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and they 
>> added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 2001 
>> was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one of 
>> them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  builder 
>> for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette started. 
>> 2005 or so?
>> 
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and all 
>>> this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, Keith, 
>>> and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this thing. 
>>> 
>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, prototype, 
>>> and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking color-coding. 
>>> It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back to Waterford 
>>> a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders sprinkled in of 
>>> course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding the start of the 
>>> official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>> 
>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>> 
 On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
 Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
 between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
 Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
 ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
 custom is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase 
 time.  
 
 Joe Bernard
 
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Nice work, Jason!
> 
> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
> a name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
> 
> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've only 
> ever seen two of them. 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>> the MIT batch rolled in?  
>> 
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
>>> to go before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is 
>>> limited to what I've found either in the reader or on the website for 
>>> the most part, and there's a lot that's not really covered in those 
>>> spots.  
>>> 
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain 
>>> (Expedition? Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From 
>>> memory the Road was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused 
>>> by that all. 
>>> 
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I 
>>> welcome (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this 
>>> regard.  I think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Ryan]

Steven, you are right about "unofficial customs" like the snapshot of an 
early catalogue posted by Joe Bernard mentions where it notes a 300.00 
upcharge. And Nathan is right that during a peak demand period they used 
some US top builders for customs and RS was one of them. I think one was 
for sale on this group a few years ago

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-6 Nathan F wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Sach's decade long waiting list is a recent invention from frame 
> building's explosion in popularity around the late 00s / early 10s. It 
> wasn't always that difficult to have him build you a bike.
>
> In the 90s I believe he designed some lugs for Rivendell, and then later 
> made 3 frames or so for them when they were shopping around for builders? 
> Not so sure on the numbers for that second part, but I know they didn't use 
> him much. 
>
> Nathan
>
> On Sunday, 28 November 2021 at 08:07:58 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had 
>> a long waiting list?
>>
>> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  
>>> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
>>> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
>>> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
>>> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
>>> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
>>> started. 2005 or so?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
 all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
 Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of 
 this 
 thing. 

 I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
 prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
 color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, 
 back 
 to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
 sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
 the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  

 I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint 
 choice will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of 
 the beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 

 On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to 
> Grant's 
> ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
> custom 
> is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Nice work, Jason!
>>
>> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
>> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
>> a 
>> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>>
>> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
>> only ever seen two of them. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how 
>>> many 
>>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>>> the 
>>> MIT batch rolled in?  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about 
 a 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good 
 ways to 
 go before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is 
 limited to 
 what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most 
 part, 
 and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  

 I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
 different bikes, 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Nathan F]

Eric,

Sach's decade long waiting list is a recent invention from frame building's 
explosion in popularity around the late 00s / early 10s. It wasn't always 
that difficult to have him build you a bike.

In the 90s I believe he designed some lugs for Rivendell, and then later 
made 3 frames or so for them when they were shopping around for builders? 
Not so sure on the numbers for that second part, but I know they didn't use 
him much. 

Nathan

On Sunday, 28 November 2021 at 08:07:58 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had a 
> long waiting list?
>
> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
>
>
> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  
>> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
>> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
>> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
>> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
>> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
>> started. 2005 or so?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
>>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
>>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this 
>>> thing. 
>>>
>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
>>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
>>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back 
>>> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
>>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
>>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>>
>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
 between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
 Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
 ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
 custom 
 is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice work, Jason!
>
> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
> a 
> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>
> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
> only ever seen two of them. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>> the 
>> MIT batch rolled in?  
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
>>> to go 
>>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited 
>>> to 
>>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most 
>>> part, 
>>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>>
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain 
>>> (Expedition? 
>>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the 
>>> Road 
>>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>>
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I 
>>> welcome 
>>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Eric Daume]

I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had a
long waiting list?

I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs.

On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:

> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)
> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford
> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and
> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered
> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one
> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom
> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette
> started. 2005 or so?
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and
>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce,
>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this
>> thing.
>>
>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom,
>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking
>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back
>> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders
>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding
>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.
>>
>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice
>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the
>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line
>>> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early
>>> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's
>>> ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a custom
>>> is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Nice work, Jason!

 I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the
 LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting a
 name added to express it as one of two road frames.

 As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've
 only ever seen two of them.

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom
> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration,
> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many
> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I
> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when the
> MIT batch rolled in?
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a
>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to 
>> go
>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to
>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part,
>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.
>>
>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as
>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95
>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition?
>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road
>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all.
>>
>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I
>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome
>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I
>> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either
>> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and
>> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure
>> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting
>> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My
>>> comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or
>>> "mystery bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Sofie C]

Love this Rivendell history, thanks so much for putting this together and 
sharing!

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:26:00 AM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Ryan, I thought Riv was building customs from the begining. I had a 96 
> Road that was designed for 700 x 28 and had cantilever brakes The original 
> owner,who I bought it from, spoke of it as a custom build Steve
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 8:54 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  
>> and tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
>> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
>> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
>> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
>> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
>> started. 2005 or so?
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
>>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
>>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this 
>>> thing. 
>>>
>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
>>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
>>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back 
>>> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
>>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
>>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>>
>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
 between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
 Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
 ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
 custom 
 is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice work, Jason!
>
> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
> a 
> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>
> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
> only ever seen two of them. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>> the 
>> MIT batch rolled in?  
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
>>> to go 
>>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited 
>>> to 
>>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most 
>>> part, 
>>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>>>
>>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
>>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
>>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain 
>>> (Expedition? 
>>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the 
>>> Road 
>>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>>>
>>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
>>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I 
>>> welcome 
>>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
>>> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
>>> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
>>> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not 
>>> sure 
>>> yet, depends how bored I get this 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Steven Sweedler]

Ryan, I thought Riv was building customs from the begining. I had a 96 Road
that was designed for 700 x 28 and had cantilever brakes The original
owner,who I bought it from, spoke of it as a custom build Steve

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 8:54 AM Ryan  wrote:

> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  and
> tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford and
> working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and
> they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered
> 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one
> of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom
> builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette
> started. 2005 or so?
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and
>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce,
>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this
>> thing.
>>
>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom,
>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking
>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back
>> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders
>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding
>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.
>>
>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice
>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the
>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line
>>> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early
>>> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's
>>> ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a custom
>>> is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Nice work, Jason!

 I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the
 LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting a
 name added to express it as one of two road frames.

 As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've
 only ever seen two of them.

 Joe Bernard

 On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom
> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration,
> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many
> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I
> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when the
> MIT batch rolled in?
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a
>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to 
>> go
>> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to
>> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part,
>> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.
>>
>> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as
>> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95
>> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition?
>> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road
>> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all.
>>
>> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I
>> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome
>> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I
>> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either
>> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and
>> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure
>> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting
>> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My
>>> comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or
>>> "mystery bike," which 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Ryan]

Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  and 
tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford and 
working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and 
they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 
2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one 
of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  
builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette 
started. 2005 or so?

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and all 
> this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, Keith, 
> and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this thing. 
>
> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back 
> to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>
> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
>> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
>> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
>> ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a custom 
>> is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase time.  
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Nice work, Jason!
>>>
>>> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
>>> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting a 
>>> name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>>>
>>> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
>>> only ever seen two of them. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
 Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
 with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
 were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
 missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when the 
 MIT batch rolled in?  

 On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways to 
> go 
> before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is limited to 
> what I've found either in the reader or on the website for the most part, 
> and there's a lot that's not really covered in those spots.  
>
> I wasn't sure whether to consider the Road and Road Standard as 
> different bikes, but I'll separate them out yeah.  So then on the '95 
> lineup, was the Road a semi-custom while the AR and Mountain (Expedition? 
> Should I include this alt name?) were set geometry?  From memory the Road 
> was the cheapest of the three so I was a bit confused by that all. 
>
> I'll research more on the Gen 1 Appaloosa and Mystery Bike because I 
> omitted them out of unawareness rather than conscious decision. I welcome 
> (heck, I beg for) any insight or leads you may have in this regard.  I 
> think I'd also like to highlight in this timeline when models either 
> underwent significant geometry changes or changed builders (AHH and 
> Atlantis being obvious ones).  This might turn into a full wiki, not sure 
> yet, depends how bored I get this winter I guess!  I have webhosting 
> available, just need to sort some stuff out on that end. 
>
>
>  
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 10:58:35 UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Good effort.  I bet that was fun, digesting so much at once.  My 
>> comment is that I don't think I'd discount the original Appaloosa or 
>> "mystery bike," which is different from the current Appaloosa.  I know 
>> it 
>> was 'sort of' a prototype, but they were produced for specific, paying 
>> customers - exactly the way early Roads, All Rounders and Mountains were 
>> - 
>> with no design input from the buyers and - unlike those 

Re: [RBW] More...Autumn in Japan

[Steven Sweedler]

John, I also enjoyed your pictures, especially the last one which looks
like a Maple in its finest fall glory. I’m guessing its an Acer palmatum in
it natural habitat. I grow  this as an ornamental in my yard, seems silly
to use its common name here, Japanese Maple, as thats where you are.   Steve

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 8:31 PM JAS  wrote:

> Your photos are beautiful, John.  The light and composition of the first
> one with the trees bending over your bike should be on a magazine cover.
> Brilliant.
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 4:12:33 PM UTC-8 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
>> stunning photos!
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 6:10 PM esoterica etc 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your pics John, they are gorgeous! Would love to
>>> visit Japan someday. Enjoy your Thanksgiving weekend,
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Spent the day in the Tanzawa-Oyama mountains enjoying perfect
 temperatures, steep, isolated tracks, and stunning Autumn colors. Thankful,
 indeed!
 [image: IMG_0291.jpeg][image: IMG_0280.jpeg]
 [image: IMG_0296.jpeg]
 [image: IMG_0285.jpeg]
 [image: IMG_0303.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thanksgiving rides? and a Platy goes on 1st cruise

[Garth]

I too rode and Thanksgiving day . there was nary a car out on my sorta 
rural roads so it was like having my own giant paved trail !  All the geese 
were out of course as they live in some wetland area I ride by every day. 
There was a few small flocks flying around, and they're always flying low 
so when they pass overhead you can hear the whoosh of their wings and just 
how honkin' loud their honks are. 

The best part of the ride though was where I had gone down an offshoot road 
of the main highway to put a warmer hat on.  It was a tiny group of spread 
out homes on a U shaped road off the main highway.  I saw some kids playing 
on the front porch area of a house, they were maybe 4-7 year olds, and one 
said to another "look , a bike !" as I passed by. That was near the end of 
the road and it was there I planned to change hats. So I glance over at the 
kids and I see one running over into the attached garage and sure 
enough he pulls out his little blue bike and says with enthusiasm and 
determination "I'm gonna be the first to ride the new(resurfaced) road !" 
and proceeds down the road as only a child can do without a care in the 
world. 

How great is that  Who can't relate  ?  Oh the joys of being 
spontaneity !


On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:58:14 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, is this the New Thing we’re doing? Far be it from me not to 
> participate. Ok then!
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2021, at 10:25 AM, JAS  wrote:
>
> It looks like all Platy owners need to get a pair of mittens (or at least 
> 1/2 of a pair) so we are properly outfitted for the secret Platy Salute.  
> I'm going to get right on it!  Must they be plaid?  Love the salute 
> idea...it's so unique and sly; others won't know what the heck we're doing. 
>
>
> #RivSisters,
> Joyce
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:01:46 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Got up early and headed out after six to ride out to the Point where the 
>> Allegheny and Monongahela Rivers become the Ohio River.
>>
>> Short Thanksgiving Ride. 
>>
>> Will consider taking the brew kit next time, otherwise a perfect lead in 
>> to the rest of the day's festivities.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:55:40 PM UTC-5 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone get any nice Thanksgiving rides in yesterday? Care to share?!
>>>
>>> We took a nice ride along the East Branch of the Westfield River in 
>>> Chesterfield, MA. 12 miles roundtrip on an old truck road. Picnic on a 
>>> sandbar. Probably picked up some ticks too! I've never been here, I have no 
>>> real connection to MA, and it was, dare I say, gorges? (nyuk nyuk nyuk, 
>>> with apologies to Ithaca) Someone inaugurated their Platypus on the ride as 
>>> well! Stupendous! Thanksgiving rides are the best.
>>>
>>> Yup, all drivetrain side down at Picnic Time. There was another bike but 
>>> off frame. That's my Clem in the front and my older Surly CC with a Alfine 
>>> 8 and Albatross bars that is now basically my brothers bike since he 
>>> commandeered it from me two years ago and hasn't given it back:
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_191837010.jpg]
>>>
>>> Proud new Platypus owner! "My wrists didn't hurt!" and "I can't believe 
>>> I rode 12 miles over all those rocks and I feel fine today" means that we 
>>> have achieved SUCCESS:
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_192734966.jpg]
>>>
>>> Displaying the "International Signal for Saluting Fellow Platypus 
>>> Riders:"
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_193218705.jpg]
>>>
>>> Some scenery. I should have taken more pictures but we were riding and 
>>> having a good time. No sense in ruining moments to stop. Live in the moment 
>>> and all that. The bikes got good and muddy, as did our backsides. Wicked 
>>> comfortable mounts for this type of riding. 
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_194032671.jpg]
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thanksgiving rides? and a Platy goes on 1st cruise

[Garth]

I too rode and Thanksgiving day . there was nary a car out on my sorta 
rural roads so it was like having my own giant paved trail !

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:58:14 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Oh, is this the New Thing we’re doing? Far be it from me not to 
> participate. Ok then!
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2021, at 10:25 AM, JAS  wrote:
>
> It looks like all Platy owners need to get a pair of mittens (or at least 
> 1/2 of a pair) so we are properly outfitted for the secret Platy Salute.  
> I'm going to get right on it!  Must they be plaid?  Love the salute 
> idea...it's so unique and sly; others won't know what the heck we're doing. 
>
>
> #RivSisters,
> Joyce
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 10:01:46 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Got up early and headed out after six to ride out to the Point where the 
>> Allegheny and Monongahela Rivers become the Ohio River.
>>
>> Short Thanksgiving Ride. 
>>
>> Will consider taking the brew kit next time, otherwise a perfect lead in 
>> to the rest of the day's festivities.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 6:55:40 PM UTC-5 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone get any nice Thanksgiving rides in yesterday? Care to share?!
>>>
>>> We took a nice ride along the East Branch of the Westfield River in 
>>> Chesterfield, MA. 12 miles roundtrip on an old truck road. Picnic on a 
>>> sandbar. Probably picked up some ticks too! I've never been here, I have no 
>>> real connection to MA, and it was, dare I say, gorges? (nyuk nyuk nyuk, 
>>> with apologies to Ithaca) Someone inaugurated their Platypus on the ride as 
>>> well! Stupendous! Thanksgiving rides are the best.
>>>
>>> Yup, all drivetrain side down at Picnic Time. There was another bike but 
>>> off frame. That's my Clem in the front and my older Surly CC with a Alfine 
>>> 8 and Albatross bars that is now basically my brothers bike since he 
>>> commandeered it from me two years ago and hasn't given it back:
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_191837010.jpg]
>>>
>>> Proud new Platypus owner! "My wrists didn't hurt!" and "I can't believe 
>>> I rode 12 miles over all those rocks and I feel fine today" means that we 
>>> have achieved SUCCESS:
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_192734966.jpg]
>>>
>>> Displaying the "International Signal for Saluting Fellow Platypus 
>>> Riders:"
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_193218705.jpg]
>>>
>>> Some scenery. I should have taken more pictures but we were riding and 
>>> having a good time. No sense in ruining moments to stop. Live in the moment 
>>> and all that. The bikes got good and muddy, as did our backsides. Wicked 
>>> comfortable mounts for this type of riding. 
>>> [image: PXL_20211125_194032671.jpg]
>>>
>>>
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