[RBW] WTB: Soma Shikoro 38mm tires

[Eric Marth]

Hi everyone — Do you have a set of lightly used 700C Shikoros in 38mm? Hit 
me up! Looking for these for my partner's bike, we want to plump up from 
32s. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: "adult cruiser of the Apocalypse" - Susie review

[Paul Clifton]

Lots of good stuff in this review. I'm happy to finally know that the head 
tube angle is 69 degrees. That seems about right, and having someone 
corroborate the ride qualities I've been experiencing with my Gus:
1. The handling is twitchy (for a Riv) but it's really easy to change how 
the bike handles by moving my hands forward and backward on the bars. 
Having so much real estate on the bars because of the long top tube --> 
lots of bar sweep is seriously awesome and makes the bike so much fun in so 
many conditions.

2. The very upright riding position engages the quads a lot more and the 
glutes a lot less. I first noticed this on my baby bike, and it's 
definitely carried over to the Gus. Like Russ, I'd like to get my glutes 
more engaged, so I'm still fooling with my handlebar height and stem 
length, but I think it's just part of the ride. I'm pretty sure my quads 
are overdeveloped relative to my glutes to begin with, so I'll be adding in 
more squats and bridges to my cross training plan to keep everything in 
balance. I out sprinted my fiend on his drop bar gravel bike anyway, so I 
don't think it affects "performance" enough to matter on a fun day out, but 
it could impact endurance over a long ride, maybe - only way to know is try.

The medium has an additional bottle cage mount, but I'd still like some 
more three pack mounts speckled around the frame.

What a freaking awesome bike. I'm so stoked about mine, but I don't know 
about Russ' claim that it'll be a forerunner of what we'll see with the 
upcoming ATB trend. I kind of think that no matter what happens with ATBs, 
it'll always be an outlier - no one else is ever gonna spec chainstays like 
that ...

Paul in AR

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:03:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> For those interested, Russ put up his review of a Susie. It's a pretty 
> good one:
>
> https://youtu.be/dhReJy0pzXw
>
> -Brian
>

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[RBW] WTB/ISO: Phil Wood 127.5mm bottom bracket

[Joe Bunik]

Inquiring of you venerable [RBW] list members if anyone might have an
idle Phil bb... I'm seeking the 127.5mm width, which back in Pre Times
often used with Sugino AT triple setups.

As trade fodder, I have several other Phil widths to offer you - or
please just float me your shipped price! Thanks

Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Eric Marth]

Thanks again to everyone for sharing specifications and philosophies. 

Putting in a nice ride this weekend on plenty of unpaved stuff my 44mm 
Snoqualmie Pass extralights were comfortable and suited for the ride. 

Now that I've heard from a lot of people running tires in the mid to high 
30s I'd be interested to try some out if it was a very easy, low friction, 
low cost situation. Like borrowing or finding a beat pair of 38mm Barlow 
Pass or 35mm Jon Bon tires for comparison. 

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:10:03 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have Gravelking Slicks in 38 on my Sam and I really like them but want 
> more width the next time I buy tires for it. 
>
> I JUST put on Snoqualmie's on my Atlantis and already prefer them over the 
> Shikoros I had used for two years. I can see getting another pair for the 
> Sam when the GKs are worn down 
>
> Ben in Omaha 
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB/ISO: Nitto Technomic Deluxe

[Todd G]

Looking for a 90 or 100mm Technomic Deluxe or NP stem with a 26mm clamp. 
Doesn’t need to be pristine, but does need to be in nice shape. 

Please let me know if you have one or both to part with, Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Bob. Yes, right to roam would be lovely and could be really helpful 
for riders looking to stay off the bigger roads! I've heard that in some 
Scandi countries (forgive me for not being specific) you can camp in any 
open space and trespassing is defined as something like "you can get within 
sight of a home." Corrections and more info welcome. 

Thanks, Ryan for watchin' and readin'! 

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:00:44 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Yeah...loved the ride reportand , in addition, your build videos are 
> fun to watch and informative too
>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the superb narrative, gear talk, and beautiful photos, Eric! 
>> So inspiring!
>>
>> Now if we only had some right-to-roam laws like in some of the northern 
>> European countries...
>>
>> Bob E
>> Cranford, NJ
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sycip "singles bar"

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

I ordered the bar from Sycip earlier this week, I'll follow up with a ride 
report after I've put some miles on it.

Jeff

On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 09:01:08 UTC-5 chris feczko wrote:

>
> Hey Jeff, 
>
> I have a singles bar I’ll sell for 30 + ship
>
>
> Chris
> On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 16:25:36 UTC-4 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody have experience with this handlebar? Looking to replace the 
>> Albatross on my Atlantis with something having less sweepback and this 
>> seems like it might be perfect. Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Ryan]

Yeah...loved the ride reportand , in addition, your build videos are 
fun to watch and informative too

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

>
> Thanks for the superb narrative, gear talk, and beautiful photos, Eric! So 
> inspiring!
>
> Now if we only had some right-to-roam laws like in some of the northern 
> European countries...
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
>
>

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[RBW] WTB Choco Bar

[greenteadrinkers]

Curious if anyone has a Choco for sale?

Thanks!
Scott

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Thanks for the superb narrative, gear talk, and beautiful photos, Eric! So 
inspiring!

Now if we only had some right-to-roam laws like in some of the northern 
European countries...

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Ben Mihovk]

I have Gravelking Slicks in 38 on my Sam and I really like them but want 
more width the next time I buy tires for it. 

I JUST put on Snoqualmie's on my Atlantis and already prefer them over the 
Shikoros I had used for two years. I can see getting another pair for the 
Sam when the GKs are worn down 

Ben in Omaha 
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[J S]

I forgot to mention I run all at 35psi. 

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 10:50:12 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:

> 42 on my Saluki, 48 on the Hillborne 
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:23:03 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>> I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[J S]

42 on my Saluki, 48 on the Hillborne 

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:23:03 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sycip "singles bar"

[chris feczko]

Hey Jeff, 

I have a singles bar I’ll sell for 30 + ship


Chris
On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 16:25:36 UTC-4 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Anybody have experience with this handlebar? Looking to replace the 
> Albatross on my Atlantis with something having less sweepback and this 
> seems like it might be perfect. Thanks!
>
> Jeff
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Bones]

I’ve used sidepulls and took no issue with them. I can’t claim to have 
experienced any night and day differences. I just find that Paul center 
pulls and levers have the best feel. They also maximize your clearances, 
look sharp, and probably provide more powerful braking. In my opinion, they 
are a perfect match for this bike. I like cantis and V-brakes on other 
bikes, but on the homer, center pulls just feel right to me.

Bones

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 5:01:18 AM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:

> Thank you for measuring that, Bones! The official spec on the racks on 
> buses here says the maximum supported wheelbase is 46”. 118.75 cm 
> translates to 46.75”. Argh, I’m tempted to think that the extra 0.75” 
> should be fine ™.
>
> > It has Paul centerpulls and I wouldn't want any other type of brake on 
> this bike.
>
> Have sidepulls not performed well enough for you?
>
> Daman
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Bones  wrote:
>
>> 61.5cm Homer (most recent batch) ~118.75cm wheelbase. The Homers have 
>> definitely gotten longer faster than the Sams have. I found considerable 
>> overlap (for my uses) between my Sam and Appaloosa. I no longer have the 
>> Sam but I still have an Appaloosa. I now have a Homer as well. It has Paul 
>> centerpulls and I wouldn't want any other type of brake on this bike. The 
>> blue on this recent batch is out of this world.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:02:29 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> That's "Ive gotten quiet a few "yikes" with the Platy (and 
>>> Appaloosa--not shown in pics) on bus racks."  I put the bikes on there to 
>>> test the length and feasibility.  I wouldn't put the Platy on a rack if the 
>>> bus was to move!  :)
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I didn't realize the Homer got longer wheelbases last year.  I'm sure 
 someone here knows for sure.  I don't keep track too closely.

 So, here are my numbers for much smaller sized bikes  that I've ridden 
 or asked owners about, just to give you an idea between the bikes.  They 
 may not be exacting, but you'll get the idea.  BTW, my interest in 
 wheelbase length has to do with me being able to take bike on public 
 transportation bike racks.  I live in the city, so this is important to 
 me.  My two most favorite bikes are the Homer and Platy, so wheelbase 
 didn't correlate to "favorite."

 54.5 Homer   43"
 51 Appaloosa   45"
 55 Cheviot 45 1/4" (or 45 1/2")
 55 Platy 47"
 52 Clem L  52" (I got to ride Leah's Bicycle Belle Ding Ding)

 And, yes, the blue color on Homer is lovely.

 I've gotten quite a few "yikes!" with that 

 Roberta

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:

> Well, *of course* I didn't actually attach the image. Here it is.
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7 Daman Kumar wrote:
>
>> Hello, Rivsters,
>>
>> Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've 
>> been meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the 
>> *er*) wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively 
>> looking at options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with 
>> the Clem -- it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a 
>> bike's utility for me.
>>
>> Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted 
>> to check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the 
>> wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.
>>
>> I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next 
>> batch, but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my 
>> forever bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. 
>> I 
>> intend to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not 
>> bringing 
>> groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it 
>> just 
>> seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using 
>> a 
>> Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under 
>> 170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.
>>
>> So... anybody?
>>
>> Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
>> P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?
>>
>> Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer 
>> blue" Kumar
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Roberta]

My Homer is from 2019, previous version. Appa is 2016, also previous. Platy 
is 2021. Clem L is 2019 I think, current model. 

I’m glad no damage to your Clem. 

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 4:48:49 AM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:

> Roberta,
>
> It’s interesting to see that the Homers reach 43” at the 54.5 cm size. I 
> am interested in wheelbase numbers for the exact same reason, although I 
> live in a suburb. Riding around, and especially commuting, is a lot more 
> convenient if I have the option of riding the bus back home or to the ferry 
> dock.
>
> Side story: when we lived in Boulder, CO I had loaded up the Clem on a 
> bus. I had misjudged just how risky it was, and the rear wheel popped off 
> the rack *while the bus was moving *. Fortunately, that’s all that 
> happened. On the bus ride back, I started the rear wheel to the rack to 
> prevent it from happening again. The drive politely informed me she 
> wouldn’t let me do that again, and I wouldn’t be able to use the rack of my 
> bike didn’t fit. No more of that, thank you.
>
> Daman
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 6:32 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> That's "Ive gotten quiet a few "yikes" with the Platy (and Appaloosa--not 
>> shown in pics) on bus racks."  I put the bikes on there to test the length 
>> and feasibility.  I wouldn't put the Platy on a rack if the bus was to 
>> move!  :)
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't realize the Homer got longer wheelbases last year.  I'm sure 
>>> someone here knows for sure.  I don't keep track too closely.
>>>
>>> So, here are my numbers for much smaller sized bikes  that I've ridden 
>>> or asked owners about, just to give you an idea between the bikes.  They 
>>> may not be exacting, but you'll get the idea.  BTW, my interest in 
>>> wheelbase length has to do with me being able to take bike on public 
>>> transportation bike racks.  I live in the city, so this is important to 
>>> me.  My two most favorite bikes are the Homer and Platy, so wheelbase 
>>> didn't correlate to "favorite."
>>>
>>> 54.5 Homer   43"
>>> 51 Appaloosa   45"
>>> 55 Cheviot 45 1/4" (or 45 1/2")
>>> 55 Platy 47"
>>> 52 Clem L  52" (I got to ride Leah's Bicycle Belle Ding Ding)
>>>
>>> And, yes, the blue color on Homer is lovely.
>>>
>>> I've gotten quite a few "yikes!" with that 
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>>
 Well, *of course* I didn't actually attach the image. Here it is.

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7 Daman Kumar wrote:

> Hello, Rivsters,
>
> Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've 
> been meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the 
> *er*) wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively 
> looking at options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with 
> the Clem -- it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a 
> bike's utility for me.
>
> Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted to 
> check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the 
> wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.
>
> I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next 
> batch, but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my 
> forever bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. 
> I 
> intend to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not 
> bringing 
> groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it just 
> seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using 
> a 
> Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under 
> 170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.
>
> So... anybody?
>
> Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
> P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?
>
> Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer 
> blue" Kumar
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Daman Kumar]

Thank you for measuring that, Bones! The official spec on the racks on
buses here says the maximum supported wheelbase is 46”. 118.75 cm
translates to 46.75”. Argh, I’m tempted to think that the extra 0.75”
should be fine ™.

> It has Paul centerpulls and I wouldn't want any other type of brake on
this bike.

Have sidepulls not performed well enough for you?

Daman

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Bones  wrote:

> 61.5cm Homer (most recent batch) ~118.75cm wheelbase. The Homers have
> definitely gotten longer faster than the Sams have. I found considerable
> overlap (for my uses) between my Sam and Appaloosa. I no longer have the
> Sam but I still have an Appaloosa. I now have a Homer as well. It has Paul
> centerpulls and I wouldn't want any other type of brake on this bike. The
> blue on this recent batch is out of this world.
>
> Bones
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:02:29 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> That's "Ive gotten quiet a few "yikes" with the Platy (and Appaloosa--not
>> shown in pics) on bus racks."  I put the bikes on there to test the length
>> and feasibility.  I wouldn't put the Platy on a rack if the bus was to
>> move!  :)
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't realize the Homer got longer wheelbases last year.  I'm sure
>>> someone here knows for sure.  I don't keep track too closely.
>>>
>>> So, here are my numbers for much smaller sized bikes  that I've ridden
>>> or asked owners about, just to give you an idea between the bikes.  They
>>> may not be exacting, but you'll get the idea.  BTW, my interest in
>>> wheelbase length has to do with me being able to take bike on public
>>> transportation bike racks.  I live in the city, so this is important to
>>> me.  My two most favorite bikes are the Homer and Platy, so wheelbase
>>> didn't correlate to "favorite."
>>>
>>> 54.5 Homer   43"
>>> 51 Appaloosa   45"
>>> 55 Cheviot 45 1/4" (or 45 1/2")
>>> 55 Platy 47"
>>> 52 Clem L  52" (I got to ride Leah's Bicycle Belle Ding Ding)
>>>
>>> And, yes, the blue color on Homer is lovely.
>>>
>>> I've gotten quite a few "yikes!" with that
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>>
 Well, *of course* I didn't actually attach the image. Here it is.

 On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7 Daman Kumar wrote:

> Hello, Rivsters,
>
> Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've
> been meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the
> *er*) wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively
> looking at options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with
> the Clem -- it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a
> bike's utility for me.
>
> Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted to
> check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the
> wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.
>
> I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next
> batch, but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my
> forever bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. I
> intend to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not 
> bringing
> groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it just
> seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using a
> Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under
> 170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.
>
> So... anybody?
>
> Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
> P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?
>
> Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer
> blue" Kumar
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 Homer wheelbase numbers

[Daman Kumar]

Roberta,

It’s interesting to see that the Homers reach 43” at the 54.5 cm size. I am
interested in wheelbase numbers for the exact same reason, although I live
in a suburb. Riding around, and especially commuting, is a lot more
convenient if I have the option of riding the bus back home or to the ferry
dock.

Side story: when we lived in Boulder, CO I had loaded up the Clem on a bus.
I had misjudged just how risky it was, and the rear wheel popped off the
rack *while the bus was moving *. Fortunately, that’s all that happened. On
the bus ride back, I started the rear wheel to the rack to prevent it from
happening again. The drive politely informed me she wouldn’t let me do that
again, and I wouldn’t be able to use the rack of my bike didn’t fit. No
more of that, thank you.

Daman

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 6:32 AM Roberta  wrote:

> That's "Ive gotten quiet a few "yikes" with the Platy (and Appaloosa--not
> shown in pics) on bus racks."  I put the bikes on there to test the length
> and feasibility.  I wouldn't put the Platy on a rack if the bus was to
> move!  :)
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I didn't realize the Homer got longer wheelbases last year.  I'm sure
>> someone here knows for sure.  I don't keep track too closely.
>>
>> So, here are my numbers for much smaller sized bikes  that I've ridden or
>> asked owners about, just to give you an idea between the bikes.  They may
>> not be exacting, but you'll get the idea.  BTW, my interest in wheelbase
>> length has to do with me being able to take bike on public transportation
>> bike racks.  I live in the city, so this is important to me.  My two most
>> favorite bikes are the Homer and Platy, so wheelbase didn't correlate to
>> "favorite."
>>
>> 54.5 Homer   43"
>> 51 Appaloosa   45"
>> 55 Cheviot 45 1/4" (or 45 1/2")
>> 55 Platy 47"
>> 52 Clem L  52" (I got to ride Leah's Bicycle Belle Ding Ding)
>>
>> And, yes, the blue color on Homer is lovely.
>>
>> I've gotten quite a few "yikes!" with that
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:04:19 PM UTC-4 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>
>>> Well, *of course* I didn't actually attach the image. Here it is.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-7 Daman Kumar wrote:
>>>
 Hello, Rivsters,

 Has anyone here measured the wheelbase of their 61.5 cm Homer? I've
 been meaning to replace my 59 cm Clem H with a shorter (emphasis on the
 *er*) wheelbase-d bike for months now, and only just started actively
 looking at options. The wheelbase is the only real complaint I have with
 the Clem -- it is way too long to fit on a bus rack, which diminishes a
 bike's utility for me.

 Given the increase in chainstay length for the 2021 model, I wanted to
 check with the group if anyone has measured, or could measure, the
 wheelbase of their 61.5 cm bike.

 I was originally considering picking up a Sam frame from the next
 batch, but I do want to get an Atlantis a few years down the line as my
 forever bike, and I felt there's a considerable overlap between the two. I
 intend to use the Homer as an S24O/bike-camping, go-fast (when not bringing
 groceries) bike. Randonneuring has interested me for a while, and it just
 seems perfect (although, I don't think *I* would have much trouble using a
 Sam or Atlantis for brevets given I'm not really a fast rider). At under
 170 lbs. I believe it shouldn't be a problem. I digress.

 So... anybody?

 Clem tax: a picture on a typical PNW winter morning at Lake Sammamish
 P.S. How cool would a canti Homer be, eh?

 Daman "who would be a lot more open to a Sam in that *gorgeous* Homer
 blue" Kumar

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Joe Bernard]

[  "You do pretty good on that thing" gets tiresome. ]

That's you on the Riv Ride up Mt. Diablo around 2006. Everyone gathered 
around after you rode a singlespeed to the ranger station muttering "that's 
impressive, but he's CRAZY." 

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:02:16 AM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Bill laid out a good summary of the different ways people approach this 
> question.
> I've only ever owned a single Rivendell - my 2004 Quickbeam.
>
>- As an answer to "what one Riv would you have among other bikes," it 
>would be my Quickbeam. I have this. If I had TWO bikes, the Quickbeam 
> would 
>be one. 
>- As an answer to "what one Riv would you have as your only bike," 10 
>years ago it would be the Quickbeam, but today it would probably be an 
>Atlantis or some well-used 1993 Allrounder. I'm older, fatter, slower, and 
>I do longer rides and bike camp with other people. They do not ride fixed 
>gears in that way, even those with Quickbeams. When you're riding with 
>people it's more fun if you're rolling with similar equipment and rhythm. 
>"You do pretty good on that thing" gets tiresome. 
>- As an answer to "what one Riv would be perfectly optimized for a 
>kind riding you love," it would probably be a Legolas. 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 5:24:18 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The OP asked the classic "which Riv if you could only have one?"  It's 
>> not clear to me whether the OP realizes how little that question has to do 
>> with bicycles or Rivendells and how much that question has to do with 
>> people.  There have been a good spectrum of replies, not directly because 
>> there's a broad spectrum of Rivendells, but because there is a broad 
>> spectrum of people who ride these bicycles.  
>>
>> One category of people is the "versatility" group, who would choose a 
>> particular Rivendell model because they can set it up with different 
>> cockpits, different tires, different rack and luggage configurations and 
>> make one bike into many bikes over its life.  Another subset of the 
>> versatility group are those with a single Riv build and it does everything 
>> they need to do on a bike.  It's a grab and go machine that is down for 
>> whatever.  Others have a much more surgical approach to their stable, 
>> having a particular bike optimized for a particular kind of use-case.  For 
>> those people, many would first choose "one type of cycling" and then choose 
>> the perfect bike for that one limited use-case.  
>>
>> I'm one of those many-bikes people, and I have several Rivendells.  As of 
>> now, I've got a Legolas, Quickbeam, Hillborne, and HubbaHubbaH.  I've also 
>> had a Bombadil, Hilsen, two Atlantis', two Rosco Bubbes and a Roadeo.  I 
>> have another Roadeo on the way.  If I had to limit down to one Rivendell, 
>> and got to fully stock the rest of my stable with other things, maybe I'd 
>> keep the Quickbeam.  If I had to limit my stable down to a single bicycle 
>> and it had to be a Rivendell, I'd likely stick with the Hillborne.  If I 
>> had to limit my cycling down to a single particular use case, and then pick 
>> an optimized bike for that use case, and it had to be a Rivendell, then I'd 
>> probably choose my forthcoming Roadeo.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 5:29:44 PM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the 
>>> closest I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently 
>>> reached a point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it 
>>> got me wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
>>> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>>>
>>> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>>>
>>> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've 
>>> wanted a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit 
>>> obsessed with the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its 
>>> own way. Mostly just curious what you all find yourself riding the most 
>>> though!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Philip Williamson]

Bill laid out a good summary of the different ways people approach this 
question.
I've only ever owned a single Rivendell - my 2004 Quickbeam.

   - As an answer to "what one Riv would you have among other bikes," it 
   would be my Quickbeam. I have this. If I had TWO bikes, the Quickbeam would 
   be one. 
   - As an answer to "what one Riv would you have as your only bike," 10 
   years ago it would be the Quickbeam, but today it would probably be an 
   Atlantis or some well-used 1993 Allrounder. I'm older, fatter, slower, and 
   I do longer rides and bike camp with other people. They do not ride fixed 
   gears in that way, even those with Quickbeams. When you're riding with 
   people it's more fun if you're rolling with similar equipment and rhythm. 
   "You do pretty good on that thing" gets tiresome. 
   - As an answer to "what one Riv would be perfectly optimized for a kind 
   riding you love," it would probably be a Legolas. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 5:24:18 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The OP asked the classic "which Riv if you could only have one?"  It's not 
> clear to me whether the OP realizes how little that question has to do with 
> bicycles or Rivendells and how much that question has to do with people.  
> There have been a good spectrum of replies, not directly because there's a 
> broad spectrum of Rivendells, but because there is a broad spectrum of 
> people who ride these bicycles.  
>
> One category of people is the "versatility" group, who would choose a 
> particular Rivendell model because they can set it up with different 
> cockpits, different tires, different rack and luggage configurations and 
> make one bike into many bikes over its life.  Another subset of the 
> versatility group are those with a single Riv build and it does everything 
> they need to do on a bike.  It's a grab and go machine that is down for 
> whatever.  Others have a much more surgical approach to their stable, 
> having a particular bike optimized for a particular kind of use-case.  For 
> those people, many would first choose "one type of cycling" and then choose 
> the perfect bike for that one limited use-case.  
>
> I'm one of those many-bikes people, and I have several Rivendells.  As of 
> now, I've got a Legolas, Quickbeam, Hillborne, and HubbaHubbaH.  I've also 
> had a Bombadil, Hilsen, two Atlantis', two Rosco Bubbes and a Roadeo.  I 
> have another Roadeo on the way.  If I had to limit down to one Rivendell, 
> and got to fully stock the rest of my stable with other things, maybe I'd 
> keep the Quickbeam.  If I had to limit my stable down to a single bicycle 
> and it had to be a Rivendell, I'd likely stick with the Hillborne.  If I 
> had to limit my cycling down to a single particular use case, and then pick 
> an optimized bike for that use case, and it had to be a Rivendell, then I'd 
> probably choose my forthcoming Roadeo.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 5:29:44 PM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
>> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
>> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
>> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
>> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>>
>> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>>
>> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
>> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
>> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
>> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>>
>

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