[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 18 November 2022 at 2:18:11 pm UTC+11 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>  Look at a modern gravel bike like the Open UPPER (which Jan Heine praises 
> as the ideal "all road" bike --- to the point where they're going to sell a 
> special Rene Herse edition of it on their website) and the differences are 
> even more stark. With 700c wheels and a 40mm tire, you're looking at a 
> trail of 69mm, which is going to give a slowish handling that's worlds away 
> from what a Rivendell has. Couple that with a steep seat tube and high BB 
> there's no way it will ride like a Rivendell. Even with 650B wheels that 
> bike still has a trail of 63mm, which is great for high speed fire road 
> descents but isn't going to ride on pavement with the agility that you'll 
> find in any of the Rivs.
>

As someone who actually owns an Open UPPER, in addition to four Rivendells 
(one custom and three off-the-shelf), plus a few other bikes, I have to say 
this is nonsense. I normally ride the Open as a road bike with Bon Jon Pass 
700x35 tyres, and I've had both it and the Rivendells up and down winding 
mountain passes without feeling any shortcoming in the handling of any of 
them. When I plug HTA and fork rake into the trail calculator at 
http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php, there's little difference:

Rivendell Romulus geometry: 
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html. For the 61cm frame I 
have, with 35mm tyres the 73° HTA and 42.5mm rake gives 63mm of trail.

Open geometry: https://opencycle.com/updates/more-u-p--info---geometry. For 
the L size I have, 35mm tyres with 72.5°HTA and 50mm rake gives 58mm trail.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Eric Daume]

Keep in mind that a new 61.5 AHH is bigger than an old 61, and a new 64 AHH
is HUGE.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 5:44 PM Lance Terry  wrote:

> Crust still shows a 64 new HH frame for sale. I know that's bigger than a
> 61. I guess they still have it because it is a big frame.
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-7 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> Yeah that center pull frame/bike is very tempting. If I could afford a
>> complete bike I'd do that in a second.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:27:50 AM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Alex Wirth was trying to sell a very nice looking bike not too long
>>> ago.  I don't see anything that said it sold, so you might want to find
>>> that post, if you are open to buying a full bike.  I don't know if he was
>>> considering selling the frameset, but you can always ask.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a
 frame they're willing to part with?

 Thanks,

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Damn, Jim! Thanks for the scone report, glad they turned out. Sounds great. 
I gotta be careful making them, I can eat half a batch without even 
thinking about it... 

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:11:32 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> The scones came together quickly and are delicious… we used the basic 
> recipe and added matcha and fresh blueberries. Fantastic. Perfect energy 
> for a cold ride today!
>
> On Nov 20, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jim! A friend asked for the packing list so I figured I'd go for 
> it. When I've read other ride reports I've thought "I wouldn't mind reading 
> a complete list of what they brought." 
>
> The scone recipe is from America's Test Kitchen, I've used it for years. 
> I've made it with dried cherries, currants and, my fave, crystalized dried 
> ginger. Recipe attached. The soup is from Alice Waters's Art of Simple 
> Food. Will Keating asked for the recipe so I already have a scan, attached. 
> The recipe is altered slightly from another with a lot of "if this, then 
> that" so I simplified with an index card which helps me out. Paul seemed to 
> really like it. This is a standard for me and something I make a few times 
> a year going back a decade. This time the squash was a volunteer that grew 
> out of our compost pile. 
>
> I'm glad you enjoyed, Brian. Paul might be around to chime in. I know he 
> dislikes racks! He definitely packed way lighter than me but didn't weigh 
> his load. He had a medium Sackville Saddlesack and a rectangular Sackville 
> bag that's very similar to the old Riv Brand-V handlebar bag. He also rode 
> with a lightweight nylon backpack which had some extra layers. 
>
> I def enjoy glass, ceramics and metal for drinking. I'll pack plastic if I 
> have to! I love my AeroPress, the simplicity, size and quality of coffee I 
> cannot beat. Also great that it makes a cup at a time. I use it at home for 
> every cup of coffee. 
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 9:41:58 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Excellent ride report, as always Eric! I appreciate the little details 
>> you choose to include. As a fellow swoopy hillibike rider, I am curious a 
>> bit about your companion’s setup on his Susie and his experience. Maybe you 
>> can convince him to share his perspective too. It would be really cool to 
>> have two different perspectives and setups from the same ride!
>>
>> I am right there with you on the aversion to drinking from plastic these 
>> days. Something has changed with me these past few years where I have 
>> started phasing out all my plastic drinking containers because when I use 
>> them, I seem to strongly taste the plastic and it really turns me off. I 
>> don’t think it is related to COVID or anything because to my knowledge I 
>> still have not been infected by it. But something has definitely changed, 
>> and as a result I’ve switched to all-stainless or titanium drinking 
>> vessels. The only pass I give is to my trusty Aeropress, because the coffee 
>> it makes is just too damn good!
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:52:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, thanks for the report. It was nicely structured and written with 
>>> such gentle thoughtfulness. Thanks also for sharing your packing list in so 
>>> much detail. I wonder if there have ever been recipe exchange threads on 
>>> this forum: what to prepare to eat when you’re taking a ride on your 
>>> Rivendell :) The scones and soup sounded delicious! Your report inspired a 
>>> strong urge to ride. 
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 21:24, MoVelo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent report. Thanks for sharing with us what sounds like an epic 
>>> adventure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-6 alancrai...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect 
 accommodations for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! 

 On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where 
> I'm going or for how long! 
>
> I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at 
> an unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely 
> quite 
> thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
> water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops 
> but 
> another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't 
> like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind 
> stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. 
>
> I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was 
> burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, 
> something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and 
> pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me 

Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[J J]

The scones came together quickly and are delicious… we used the basic recipe 
and added matcha and fresh blueberries. Fantastic. Perfect energy for a cold 
ride today!

> On Nov 20, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jim! A friend asked for the packing list so I figured I'd go for it. 
> When I've read other ride reports I've thought "I wouldn't mind reading a 
> complete list of what they brought." 
> 
> The scone recipe is from America's Test Kitchen, I've used it for years. I've 
> made it with dried cherries, currants and, my fave, crystalized dried ginger. 
> Recipe attached. The soup is from Alice Waters's Art of Simple Food. Will 
> Keating asked for the recipe so I already have a scan, attached. The recipe 
> is altered slightly from another with a lot of "if this, then that" so I 
> simplified with an index card which helps me out. Paul seemed to really like 
> it. This is a standard for me and something I make a few times a year going 
> back a decade. This time the squash was a volunteer that grew out of our 
> compost pile. 
> 
> I'm glad you enjoyed, Brian. Paul might be around to chime in. I know he 
> dislikes racks! He definitely packed way lighter than me but didn't weigh his 
> load. He had a medium Sackville Saddlesack and a rectangular Sackville bag 
> that's very similar to the old Riv Brand-V handlebar bag. He also rode with a 
> lightweight nylon backpack which had some extra layers. 
> 
> I def enjoy glass, ceramics and metal for drinking. I'll pack plastic if I 
> have to! I love my AeroPress, the simplicity, size and quality of coffee I 
> cannot beat. Also great that it makes a cup at a time. I use it at home for 
> every cup of coffee. 
> 
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 9:41:58 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
> Excellent ride report, as always Eric! I appreciate the little details you 
> choose to include. As a fellow swoopy hillibike rider, I am curious a bit 
> about your companion’s setup on his Susie and his experience. Maybe you can 
> convince him to share his perspective too. It would be really cool to have 
> two different perspectives and setups from the same ride!
> 
> I am right there with you on the aversion to drinking from plastic these 
> days. Something has changed with me these past few years where I have started 
> phasing out all my plastic drinking containers because when I use them, I 
> seem to strongly taste the plastic and it really turns me off. I don’t think 
> it is related to COVID or anything because to my knowledge I still have not 
> been infected by it. But something has definitely changed, and as a result 
> I’ve switched to all-stainless or titanium drinking vessels. The only pass I 
> give is to my trusty Aeropress, because the coffee it makes is just too damn 
> good!
> 
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:52:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
> Eric, thanks for the report. It was nicely structured and written with such 
> gentle thoughtfulness. Thanks also for sharing your packing list in so much 
> detail. I wonder if there have ever been recipe exchange threads on this 
> forum: what to prepare to eat when you’re taking a ride on your Rivendell :) 
> The scones and soup sounded delicious! Your report inspired a strong urge to 
> ride. 
> 
> Jim
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 21:24, MoVelo > wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent report. Thanks for sharing with us what sounds like an epic 
>> adventure.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-6 alancrai...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect accommodations 
>> for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! 
>> 
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm 
>> going or for how long! 
>> 
>> I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at an 
>> unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite 
>> thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
>> water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but 
>> another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't like 
>> it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind stopping 
>> a few times to swig some water while riding. 
>> 
>> I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was burning 
>> up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, something 
>> like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and pockets 
>> (they're great, they just don't fit me right). 
>> 
>> The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight but 
>> it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like 
>> some. 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!
>> 
>> 
>> I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!
>> 
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 

[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[Philip Williamson]

My only wired taillight is a B micro, attached to a seat binder bolt with 
a little tab Fitz made when he made the frame, fork, and rack.
The wire runs under the top tube, with the derailleur, dropper, and brake 
cables.
Picture on 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClR5BuHSP9q/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif



On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:

> Thanks for the replies.  That Son set up looks nice Mr. Ray, gotta see if 
> I could run a wire into my BB on my Appaloosa, then up seattube and post.  
>
> Collin, Is that a particular type of tape you under toptube of appaloosa 
> holding the wire?
>
> Definitely a clean look on that Bombora, and a rad looking racklette, Kai! 
>
> Keep em coming, if anyone has more pics! 
> -Brian
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 6:34:26 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Here’s a rear racklette I made, all of three inches of internal wiring…
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9KBpwpEUiL4XDGyVA
>> Fun.
>> -Kai
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Lance Terry]

Crust still shows a 64 new HH frame for sale. I know that's bigger than a 
61. I guess they still have it because it is a big frame.

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-7 Graham McCall wrote:

> Yeah that center pull frame/bike is very tempting. If I could afford a 
> complete bike I'd do that in a second. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:27:50 AM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> Alex Wirth was trying to sell a very nice looking bike not too long ago.  
>> I don't see anything that said it sold, so you might want to find that 
>> post, if you are open to buying a full bike.  I don't know if he was 
>> considering selling the frameset, but you can always ask.
>>   
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a 
>>> frame they're willing to part with?
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[Peter White]

Here's how I did it on my old mountain bike.

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/peter_bks.php

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 1:22 PM brizbarn  wrote:

> Thanks for the replies.  That Son set up looks nice Mr. Ray, gotta see if
> I could run a wire into my BB on my Appaloosa, then up seattube and post.
>
> Collin, Is that a particular type of tape you under toptube of appaloosa
> holding the wire?
>
> Definitely a clean look on that Bombora, and a rad looking racklette, Kai!
>
> Keep em coming, if anyone has more pics!
> -Brian
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 6:34:26 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
> wrote:
>
>> Here’s a rear racklette I made, all of three inches of internal wiring…
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9KBpwpEUiL4XDGyVA
>> Fun.
>> -Kai
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS 60cm Simple One and 61cm MUSA Homer

[Alex Wirth]

Thanks!!

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:30 AM Matt Beecher  wrote:

> Graham was looking for a Homer in this size and just posted a WTB.  I
> don't know if this sold, but if not, you might want to try and connect.
>
> TBH, I am maybe a little glad that I did not see the frameset posted, as I
> don't know if I could have resisted a Homer with centerpul braze-ons.
> Beautiful.
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:06 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:
>
>> That homer is BEAUTIFUL!
>>
>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 6:54:12 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow
>> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 6:50 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Couple of very special bikes up for sale here folks:

 First up is a 60cm Simple One in green

 Frame measures:

 58cm st c-c
 58cm tt c-c
 85cm standover

 Cranks are 43/34

 Rear hub has a dingle 17/19 FW on one side and 21 FW on the other.  You
 can use the large ring with the dingle and small ring with the 21.  Pretty
 cool set-up!!!

 Suzue hubs, Atlas rims, 32H f, wheels built by Rich, Soma Shikoros
 700x42

 Does not come with saddle and light mount but does come with everything
 else (pedals, spurcycle bell, handlebar bag)

 I can't remember the name of the handlebars but they're made by VO.
 Stem is a nitto technomic.  Rides butter smooth, a very cool bike, nice
 upright riding position.  Reach out with any questions or anything I
 missed. Paint is about right for a bike this age, small chips and scratches
 not dings/dents or issues.

 $2,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f, venmo, cashapp,
 zelle)  Paypal G also available but add 3%.

 _

 Next up is one of my grail bikes, an absolute sweetheart.

 61cm Made in the USA Homer Hilsen

 Measures:

 59cm st c-c
 58cm tt c-c
 86cm standover

 Custom french blue with braze on centerpulls and Compass brakes

 This frame was built by Waterford.

 Super upright zero offset Analog stem with Whisky drops.

 Veloce 10 speed groupset.

 40/30 rings on a VO crank

 12/30 rear cassette

 Compass barlow pass 700x38 tires

 White Industries hubs, 99% sure they are dyad rims, 32H f

 I had a hell of a time figuring out how to get rid of brake squeal in
 the rear.  I spend many many hours screwing with toe-in.  Then I thought
 the brakes were too powerful so I had a friend machine me a custom brake
 booster.  Then I tred lightly scoring the rim and padsand then I read
 that the salmon pads that compass brakes come with sometimes squeal with
 certain rims.  Tested the rear with el cheapo black post brakes and presto,
 no more squeal.  I ordered new black pads for the rear but they're not set
 up perfect.  Might take a little time in the stand to get them 100%.

 Full disclosure the local guy that built this wheelset got the dish
 wrong and it's a couple MM offset to the non-driveside.  There needs to be
 about 2mm shorter spokes on the driveside to fix the dish (or thread the
 existing spokes another 2mm).  I never noticed a difference, they stayed
 true and I never felt anything so I just got lazy and rode it as-is.

 Paint is approaching perfect on this one...maybe some small scratches
 here or there but otherwise very very nice.  Absolutely no dings or major
 issues.  Rides like an exotic super car yet has a comfortable riding
 position.  Plush and zippy.

 Comes with everything pictured minus saddle.

 $3,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f, venmo, cashapp,
 zelle)  Paypal G also available but add 3%.

 Combo deal for $5,200

 __


 There's pictures and a walk-around video for both of these here:


 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4vUjN4Z2St_rQ59VIL1Zx7ky-w4_Pyh?usp=sharing

 I'll also reply to this message with one image for each.  Let me know
 if I forgot anything!

 Cheers,

 Alex Wirth
 Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: FS: Another Parts Garage Sale - Phil Wood, Nitto, Sackville, Compass, and more

[B Young]

Hey all! Here's an updated list... lot's of stuff left and I added a couple 
more items to the list. 

Photos:
https://share.icloud.com/photos/071NsImwodKXoax4gh_Aq2e7Q


*Racks and Bags:*

Nitto Campee Rear Rack - 175

Nitto Campee Front Rack - 250 - *Sold*

Rivendell Sackville Hub Area Bags: Panniers - 200 - *Sold*

Red Vintage Panniers - 45


*Wheels, Hubs:*

650b Phil Wood / Synergy Wheelset 36h - 450 - *Pending*

700c Phil Wood 36h / Mavic MA40 front wheel - 100 - *Pending*

Paul Polished Front Hub 32H - 100 - *Sold*

Paul Silver front Hub 32H - 80

Green Box Olfmega 120/36h Hubs with Skewers - NOS - 100


*Tires, Fenders:*

RH / Compass Tires - Bon Jon Pass El - New -125 - *Sold*

RH / Compass Tires - Switchback Hill EL - New - 125

RH / Compass Tires - 650b Babyshoe Pass EL - New -125 - *Sold*

Zaffiro 700cx25 - 40

Fatty Rumpkin 650bx41.5 - 40

Honjo Fenders 700c H35 - New - 50

Honjo Fenders 700c H40 - New - 50


*Other Stuff:*

Campagnolo Seat Post 25.8 - NOS in Box - 200

Dia Compe AC 500 brakes - 30

Mafac Levers with White Half Hoods - NOS - 50

Silver Shifters on Shimano Bar Ends - 50 - *Pending*

Shimano Bar End Shifters - 50 - *Pending*

3ttt Forma SL Ergopower handlebar - 45

Nitto Deluxe 26.0 Stem- 100cm - 40 - *Pending*

Nitto S65 Seat Post - 40 - *Sold*

TA Crankset 170 54/42 - 50

Dura Ace Crankset 170 52/39 French Thread - 100

Pedals Gripking - 40

Pedals Look - 10

Sunlite brake levers -10

Reaction Gold Yokozuna Cable Kit - 60


*NEW ITEMS ADDED:*

Phil Wood Brompton Hub - 28H Black - New - 160 

RINKO Pedals Lot / Bundle* - 170

*Containing MKS EZY detachable clipless pedals, MKS EZY detachable Platform 
pedals, NOS MKS stainless steel toe clips, NOS MKS US-A cleat set, NOS MKS 
US-B Cleat guide. 



On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:58:15 PM UTC-8 B Young wrote:

>
> Brian Young
> Los Angeles
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:54:35 PM UTC-8 B Young wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Y'all,
>> I'm cleaning out my garage and have lots of stuff for sale. Prices do not 
>> include shipping so if you're interested in anything just let me know your 
>> address and I'll let you know what it will be (actual shipping cost rounded 
>> down). 
>>
>> Photos:
>> https://share.icloud.com/photos/071NsImwodKXoax4gh_Aq2e7Q
>>
>>
>> *Racks and Bags:*
>>
>> Nitto Campee Rear Rack - 175
>>
>> Nitto Campee Front Rack - 250
>>
>> Rivendell Sackville Hub Area Bags: Panniers - 200
>>
>> Red Vintage Panniers - 45
>>
>>
>> *Wheels, Hubs:*
>>
>> 650b Phil Wood / Synergy Wheelset 36h - 450
>>
>> 700c Phil Wood 36h / Mavic MA40 front wheel - 100
>>
>> Paul Polished Front Hub 32H - 100
>>
>> Paul Silver front Hub 32H - 80
>>
>> Green Box Olfmega 120/36h Hubs with Skewers - NOS - 100
>>
>>
>> *Tires, Fenders:*
>>
>> RH / Compass Tires - Bon Jon Pass El - New -125
>>
>> RH / Compass Tires - Switchback Hill EL - New - 125
>>
>> RH / Compass Tires - 650b Babyshoe Pass EL - New -125
>>
>> Zaffiro 700cx25 - 40
>>
>> Fatty Rumpkin 650bx41.5 - 40
>>
>> Honjo Fenders 700c H35 - New - 50
>>
>> Honjo Fenders 700c H40 - New - 50
>>
>>
>> *Other Stuff:*
>>
>> Campagnolo Seat Post 25.8 - NOS in Box - 200
>>
>> Dia Compe AC 500 brakes - 30
>>
>> Mafac Levers with White Half Hoods - NOS - 50
>>
>> Silver Shifters on Shimano Bar Ends - 50
>>
>> 3ttt Forma SL Ergopower handlebar - 45
>>
>> Nitto Deluxe 26.0 Stem- 100cm - 40
>>
>> Nitto S65 Seat Post - 40
>>
>> TA Crankset 170 54/42 - 50
>>
>> Dura Ace Crankset 170 52/39 French Thread - 100
>>
>> Pedals Gripking - 40
>>
>> Pedals Look - 10
>>
>> Sunlite brake levers -10
>>
>> Reaction Gold Yokozuna Cable Kit - 60
>>
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

[brizbarn]

Sean, is that wire similiar to others with two joined wires that can be 
split and stripped or is it something different? Pic is pretty bad on their 
site. Do you know if it's sold anywhere else?  

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:08:02 PM UTC-8 Sean, PNW wrote:

> The 22AWG wire offered by Velo Lumino, currently out of stock, is the best 
> solution I've found for threading dynamo wiring through tight spaces such 
> as fork legs:
>
>
> https://www.velolumino.com/product/premium-22awg-wire/10?cp=true=true=false=false
>
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:30:12 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> I did something similar on on my Surly Travels Check, but had to drill 
>> the holes bigger. That fork had a small hole at top of fork leg tube, I 
>> couldn't go up into steerer tube like yours.  Definitely looks cleaner, but 
>> drilling your fork is not ideal, and I doubt you can get the wiring through 
>> the little hole, but it would be great if you proved me wrong.  
>>
>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 3:22:51 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I wired my Sinewave through the fork blade on my Crust Bombora, and it 
>>> was probably one of the most frustrating tinkering projects I’ve ever 
>>> attempted with any of my bikes. I almost gave up numerous times, and I 
>>> actually had to do it all over again once I had successfully completed the 
>>> routing. Most of the Crust frames have that cool little routing hole on the 
>>> backside of the upper right fork blade… which just begs for you to use it 
>>> as such. The problem is, in order to take advantage of it, you still have 
>>> to use that little hole down near the dropout as an entry / exit point. No 
>>> matter what, you’re essentially fishing wiring cable through a hole that is 
>>> maybe only 1mm wider than the thickness of the cable housing itself, and at 
>>> a very sharp, awkward angle. No doubt the situation you’re faced with now.
>>>
>>> I stripped the wiring to where only one of the two inside wires was 
>>> exposed and made sure the cuts were as clean as possible. Once that was fed 
>>> down to the dropout hole, I managed to snag that (now thinner profile) wire 
>>> with some very, very thin tweezers and pulled the whole cable through. 
>>> Before I found the right set of tweezers to use, I had tried various 
>>> methods like using an old spoke, a guiding wire, etc. None of those worked 
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> I don’t have any sure fire advice, unfortunately, but I feel your pain!
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:04:35 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Interesting. My Pashley (gone to a new home several years ago) had two 
 brazed-in mounting points on the fork to which a piece was fitted that 
 accepted a standard bottle generator. The setup is shown in the attached 
 image.

 It worked quite well, without the need to run wiring very far at 
 all—just a short distance from the generator to the light.

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com[image: IMG_0554.jpeg]
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Nov 21, 2022, at 4:59 AM, lconley  wrote:

 My Pashley Guv'nor came with an enlarged hole on the right side bottom 
 of the fork and a slit grommet in a hole on the top of the fork even 
 though 
 it didn't come with a generator - I rectified that with a  
 Sturmey-Archer 90mm Drum Brake Dynohub. My former Trek Belleville had 
 internal wiring in the fork & frame and the front rack had a separate set 
 of tubes for the light wiring.  I love internally routed electrical wires. 
 Go for it.

 Laing

 On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:57:42 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I’ve been tempted to do the same thing. I’ve decided to instead 
> purchase a Pass & Stow rack which allows for internal routing.
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:19:55 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve done it a few times and used a Dremmel to enlarge the hole near 
>> the dropout. No matter how much I tried to run the wire without 
>> enlarging 
>> the hole, I failed. I ended up soldering the “fishing” wire to the cable 
>> and pulling it from bottom to top.Took me losing the cable several times 
>> mid fork and having to re-fish to come up with that method. Learn from 
>> my 
>> hours of mistakes! Literally hours. 
>>
>> Joe in Los Angeles 
>>
>> > On Nov 20, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Matthew Williams <
>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Hi everyone, 
>> > 
>> > Most bikes I see with the SON dynamo have the wire wound around the 
>> right front fork blade. I want to run the wire inside the fork using the 
>> small hole near the dropout. 
>> > 
>> > I’ve already fished a thin wire through the fork as a leader i.e. I 
>> can attach the leader to the SON dynamo wire and pull it through the 
>> 

[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[brizbarn]

Thanks for the replies.  That Son set up looks nice Mr. Ray, gotta see if I 
could run a wire into my BB on my Appaloosa, then up seattube and post.  

Collin, Is that a particular type of tape you under toptube of appaloosa 
holding the wire?

Definitely a clean look on that Bombora, and a rad looking racklette, Kai! 

Keep em coming, if anyone has more pics! 
-Brian
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 6:34:26 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Here’s a rear racklette I made, all of three inches of internal wiring…
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9KBpwpEUiL4XDGyVA
> Fun.
> -Kai
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Jacob Byard]

I haven’t Toscos yet. There’s probably 6-7 different bars floating around my stash. Now I’ll put the Toscos on my list. Reaming the seat tube had crossed my mind. We are talking about a tiny amount. A dropper post is my dream. As it stands I don’t think I’ll have the height to run a 90-100mm dropper. Some of the internal ones are in the 50-60mm range. I’ll cross that bridge once everything is put together and I have some miles on it. -Jacob Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 22, 2022, at 11:28 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:I too have the widest Toscos (with the 38.1 clamp dia) on my Gus. They’re super comfortable and give you lots of control for rough terrain. I feel like these bars were tailor made for Gus / Susie.On Nov 22, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:Oh, and just a note on bars, I swapped the Bosco for a 60cm Tosco and what a great swap it was. The front position didn’t work for me and the Bosco was just too high. Highly recommend the Tosco if you try some swept back bars! My first ride with them was 30 miles of pure comfort. On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:57:08 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:I have also seen (on here) that you can have the seat tube reamed to fit 27.2. I’d probably be okay with it on the Gus but wouldn’t likely chance it on my Susie with thinner tubes. On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:33:20 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:Scott, I have an extra Jones loop on hand. Thanks for the offer though! I put a Simworks Fun bar (I think that’s the name) on for the moment. I plan to try out a few different bars. Ryan,  I’ve got a really nice Simworks Nitto 27.2 post that I don’t have bike for. I think once I get the 26.8 post in and sized up I’ll sand a bit off the Nitto and use it. It’s got a cool finish so I don’t want to remove too much. Paul levers and Motolites are going on tonight. I pulled them off my Trucker. I’m using a Ritchey triple but a White Industry double would be nice. Gotta get some cash save up. Cheers! Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, greenteadrinkers  wrote:Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled off an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.Best,ScottOn Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it rides smoother than anything. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to beat on Paul or White industries parts!On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy with mermaid. The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other bikes to get this on the road. I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain biking for 30+ years. The 

[RBW] Re: WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Graham McCall]

Yeah that center pull frame/bike is very tempting. If I could afford a 
complete bike I'd do that in a second. 

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:27:50 AM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Alex Wirth was trying to sell a very nice looking bike not too long ago.  
> I don't see anything that said it sold, so you might want to find that 
> post, if you are open to buying a full bike.  I don't know if he was 
> considering selling the frameset, but you can always ask.
>   
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a frame 
>> they're willing to part with?
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS 60cm Simple One and 61cm MUSA Homer

[Matt Beecher]

Graham was looking for a Homer in this size and just posted a WTB.  I don't 
know if this sold, but if not, you might want to try and connect.  

TBH, I am maybe a little glad that I did not see the frameset posted, as I 
don't know if I could have resisted a Homer with centerpul braze-ons.  
Beautiful.  

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:06 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> That homer is BEAUTIFUL! 
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 6:54:12 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 6:50 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Couple of very special bikes up for sale here folks:
>>>
>>> First up is a 60cm Simple One in green 
>>>
>>> Frame measures:
>>>
>>> 58cm st c-c
>>> 58cm tt c-c
>>> 85cm standover
>>>
>>> Cranks are 43/34
>>>
>>> Rear hub has a dingle 17/19 FW on one side and 21 FW on the other.  You 
>>> can use the large ring with the dingle and small ring with the 21.  Pretty 
>>> cool set-up!!!
>>>
>>> Suzue hubs, Atlas rims, 32H f, wheels built by Rich, Soma Shikoros 
>>> 700x42
>>>
>>> Does not come with saddle and light mount but does come with everything 
>>> else (pedals, spurcycle bell, handlebar bag)
>>>
>>> I can't remember the name of the handlebars but they're made by VO. Stem 
>>> is a nitto technomic.  Rides butter smooth, a very cool bike, nice upright 
>>> riding position.  Reach out with any questions or anything I missed. Paint 
>>> is about right for a bike this age, small chips and scratches not 
>>> dings/dents or issues.
>>>
>>> $2,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f, venmo, cashapp, 
>>> zelle)  Paypal G also available but add 3%.
>>>
>>> _
>>>
>>> Next up is one of my grail bikes, an absolute sweetheart.
>>>
>>> 61cm Made in the USA Homer Hilsen
>>>
>>> Measures:
>>>
>>> 59cm st c-c
>>> 58cm tt c-c
>>> 86cm standover
>>>
>>> Custom french blue with braze on centerpulls and Compass brakes
>>>
>>> This frame was built by Waterford.
>>>
>>> Super upright zero offset Analog stem with Whisky drops.
>>>
>>> Veloce 10 speed groupset.
>>>
>>> 40/30 rings on a VO crank
>>>
>>> 12/30 rear cassette
>>>
>>> Compass barlow pass 700x38 tires
>>>
>>> White Industries hubs, 99% sure they are dyad rims, 32H f
>>>
>>> I had a hell of a time figuring out how to get rid of brake squeal in 
>>> the rear.  I spend many many hours screwing with toe-in.  Then I thought 
>>> the brakes were too powerful so I had a friend machine me a custom brake 
>>> booster.  Then I tred lightly scoring the rim and padsand then I read 
>>> that the salmon pads that compass brakes come with sometimes squeal with 
>>> certain rims.  Tested the rear with el cheapo black post brakes and presto, 
>>> no more squeal.  I ordered new black pads for the rear but they're not set 
>>> up perfect.  Might take a little time in the stand to get them 100%.
>>>
>>> Full disclosure the local guy that built this wheelset got the dish 
>>> wrong and it's a couple MM offset to the non-driveside.  There needs to be 
>>> about 2mm shorter spokes on the driveside to fix the dish (or thread the 
>>> existing spokes another 2mm).  I never noticed a difference, they stayed 
>>> true and I never felt anything so I just got lazy and rode it as-is. 
>>>
>>> Paint is approaching perfect on this one...maybe some small scratches 
>>> here or there but otherwise very very nice.  Absolutely no dings or major 
>>> issues.  Rides like an exotic super car yet has a comfortable riding 
>>> position.  Plush and zippy.
>>>
>>> Comes with everything pictured minus saddle.
>>>
>>> $3,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f, venmo, cashapp, 
>>> zelle)  Paypal G also available but add 3%.
>>>
>>> Combo deal for $5,200
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>> There's pictures and a walk-around video for both of these here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4vUjN4Z2St_rQ59VIL1Zx7ky-w4_Pyh?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I'll also reply to this message with one image for each.  Let me know if 
>>> I forgot anything!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alex Wirth
>>> Rochester, NY
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Brian Turner]

I too have the widest Toscos (with the 38.1 clamp dia) on my Gus. They’re super comfortable and give you lots of control for rough terrain. I feel like these bars were tailor made for Gus / Susie.On Nov 22, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:Oh, and just a note on bars, I swapped the Bosco for a 60cm Tosco and what a great swap it was. The front position didn’t work for me and the Bosco was just too high. Highly recommend the Tosco if you try some swept back bars! My first ride with them was 30 miles of pure comfort. On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:57:08 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:I have also seen (on here) that you can have the seat tube reamed to fit 27.2. I’d probably be okay with it on the Gus but wouldn’t likely chance it on my Susie with thinner tubes. On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:33:20 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:Scott, I have an extra Jones loop on hand. Thanks for the offer though! I put a Simworks Fun bar (I think that’s the name) on for the moment. I plan to try out a few different bars. Ryan,  I’ve got a really nice Simworks Nitto 27.2 post that I don’t have bike for. I think once I get the 26.8 post in and sized up I’ll sand a bit off the Nitto and use it. It’s got a cool finish so I don’t want to remove too much. Paul levers and Motolites are going on tonight. I pulled them off my Trucker. I’m using a Ritchey triple but a White Industry double would be nice. Gotta get some cash save up. Cheers! Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, greenteadrinkers  wrote:Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled off an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.Best,ScottOn Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it rides smoother than anything. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to beat on Paul or White industries parts!On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy with mermaid. The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other bikes to get this on the road. I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but never could. The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every aspect. One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is straight line 

[RBW] Re: WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Matt Beecher]

Alex Wirth was trying to sell a very nice looking bike not too long ago.  I 
don't see anything that said it sold, so you might want to find that post, 
if you are open to buying a full bike.  I don't know if he was considering 
selling the frameset, but you can always ask.
  

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:

> I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a frame 
> they're willing to part with?
>
> Thanks, 
>
>

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[RBW] WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Graham McCall]

I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a frame 
they're willing to part with?

Thanks, 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Ryan Frahm]

Oh, and just a note on bars, I swapped the Bosco for a 60cm Tosco and what 
a great swap it was. The front position didn’t work for me and the Bosco 
was just too high. Highly recommend the Tosco if you try some swept back 
bars! My first ride with them was 30 miles of pure comfort. 

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:57:08 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I have also seen (on here) that you can have the seat tube reamed to fit 
> 27.2. I’d probably be okay with it on the Gus but wouldn’t likely chance it 
> on my Susie with thinner tubes. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:33:20 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Scott, 
>> I have an extra Jones loop on hand. Thanks for the offer though! I put a 
>> Simworks Fun bar (I think that’s the name) on for the moment. I plan to try 
>> out a few different bars. 
>>
>> Ryan,  
>>
>> I’ve got a really nice Simworks Nitto 27.2 post that I don’t have bike 
>> for. I think once I get the 26.8 post in and sized up I’ll sand a bit off 
>> the Nitto and use it. It’s got a cool finish so I don’t want to remove too 
>> much. 
>>
>> Paul levers and Motolites are going on tonight. I pulled them off my 
>> Trucker. I’m using a Ritchey triple but a White Industry double would be 
>> nice. Gotta get some cash save up. 
>>
>> Cheers! 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled 
>> off an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and 
>>> probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really 
>>> cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it 
>>> rides smoother than anything. 
>>>
>>> Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I 
>>> should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but 
>>> I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried 
>>> at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more 
>>> comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…
>>>
>>> Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to 
>>> beat on Paul or White industries parts!
>>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. 
 I would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy 
 with mermaid. 

 The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 
 speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. 

 Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still 
 waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I 
 mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. 

 Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from 
 other bikes to get this on the road. 

 I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then 
 the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. 

 -Jacob

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
 wrote:

 I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before 
 I sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially 
 while climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept 
 backs! Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off 
 bumps in really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 
 26" wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting 
 pedal strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I 
 loved so much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with 
 a few tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with 
 it. But agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha 


 the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite 
 a bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the 
 original clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling 
 bike. 

 On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite! 
>  
> The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain 
> biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering 
> around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, 
> but 
> never could. 
> The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave 
> around and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Ryan Frahm]

I have also seen (on here) that you can have the seat tube reamed to fit 
27.2. I’d probably be okay with it on the Gus but wouldn’t likely chance it 
on my Susie with thinner tubes. 

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:33:20 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Scott, 
> I have an extra Jones loop on hand. Thanks for the offer though! I put a 
> Simworks Fun bar (I think that’s the name) on for the moment. I plan to try 
> out a few different bars. 
>
> Ryan,  
>
> I’ve got a really nice Simworks Nitto 27.2 post that I don’t have bike 
> for. I think once I get the 26.8 post in and sized up I’ll sand a bit off 
> the Nitto and use it. It’s got a cool finish so I don’t want to remove too 
> much. 
>
> Paul levers and Motolites are going on tonight. I pulled them off my 
> Trucker. I’m using a Ritchey triple but a White Industry double would be 
> nice. Gotta get some cash save up. 
>
> Cheers! 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
> Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled 
> off an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.
>
>
> Best,
> Scott
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and 
>> probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really 
>> cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it 
>> rides smoother than anything. 
>>
>> Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I 
>> should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but 
>> I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried 
>> at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more 
>> comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…
>>
>> Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to 
>> beat on Paul or White industries parts!
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I 
>>> would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy 
>>> with mermaid. 
>>>
>>> The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 
>>> speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. 
>>>
>>> Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still 
>>> waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I 
>>> mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. 
>>>
>>> Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from 
>>> other bikes to get this on the road. 
>>>
>>> I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then 
>>> the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. 
>>>
>>> -Jacob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before 
>>> I sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially 
>>> while climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept 
>>> backs! Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off 
>>> bumps in really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 
>>> 26" wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting 
>>> pedal strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I 
>>> loved so much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with 
>>> a few tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with 
>>> it. But agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha 
>>>
>>>
>>> the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a 
>>> bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original 
>>> clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite! 
  
 The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain 
 biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering 
 around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but 
 never could. 
 The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around 
 and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung 
 up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the 
 front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every 
 aspect. 

 One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is 
 straight line descents. I could bomb steep gravel roads like Bode Miller 
 soaring down a run. 

 Both good bikes. Just depends on what you prefer and are used to. I 
 personally gave the long wheelbase a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Jacob Byard]

Scott, I have an extra Jones loop on hand. Thanks for the offer though! I put a Simworks Fun bar (I think that’s the name) on for the moment. I plan to try out a few different bars. Ryan,  I’ve got a really nice Simworks Nitto 27.2 post that I don’t have bike for. I think once I get the 26.8 post in and sized up I’ll sand a bit off the Nitto and use it. It’s got a cool finish so I don’t want to remove too much. Paul levers and Motolites are going on tonight. I pulled them off my Trucker. I’m using a Ritchey triple but a White Industry double would be nice. Gotta get some cash save up. Cheers! Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, greenteadrinkers  wrote:Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled off an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.Best,ScottOn Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it rides smoother than anything. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to beat on Paul or White industries parts!On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy with mermaid. The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other bikes to get this on the road. I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but never could. The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every aspect. One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is straight line descents. I could bomb steep gravel roads like Bode Miller soaring down a run. Both good bikes. Just depends on what you prefer and are used to. I personally gave the long wheelbase a couple of tries but couldn’t ever come to grips with it. You might. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:16:39 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:RE those comparing Romanceurs and Rivs I loved my (XL disc) Romanceur - but have a bad shoulder / neck. I couldn't run drops. It didn't handle that well with upright bars IMO. The short wheelbase makes it hop  and wheelie a lot climbing. I love climbing. It rode amazing with a shortish stem and towel racks, but was a real neck destroyer. Looked great though. Hauled front basket cargo like nobody's business. I loved it - but not for me. I traded it for a Clementine 59 and (also bought a) Clem Smith JR 64. OG clementine feels a tad like the 

Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Ryan Frahm]

The frame shipped out yesterday and should be here tomorrow! I guess it 
helps make up for the months I waited for my Susie! Haha. And wouldn’t you 
know it, Black Friday sale at AVT bike so she’s getting some Paul brake 
levers and a White Industries ENO crank. I couldn’t resist! Unfortunately, 
the wheels I have are black Dyad’s not silver, but that will have to wait 
until after the holidays for the wallet to recover… 

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 7:35:23 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Thank you Leah! I am happy to hear how you feel about the 700c wheels! Her 
> bike right now is a Surly Bridge Club with 700x43 tires. I built it up 
> after showing her the frame color (looks is how she picks a bike). It is 
> the first bike she has ever enjoyed riding so she trusts me to put this 
> together and knows it will be much nicer. I definitely hope she wants to 
> ride more with it! I can say that after owning quite a few very nice bikes, 
> I ride both of my Rivendell bikes more. The ride quality has been better 
> than anything I’ve ridden by far. 
>
> I wish I could say that we added another in my size, maybe next time 
> around. Only so many Riv’s a year! And for me, they’ll need to offer 
> another color. As beautiful as the Mermaid color is, it is all hers.
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 7:18:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ryan, how wonderful! Yes, you are exactly right - if she wants a 
>> Platypus, now is the time. I remember when April 2021 happened and all the 
>> Platys were gone within the span of a few minutes and SO many were 
>> disappointed. That crowd has been waiting from then until now, the end of 
>> 2022 to get a Platypus of their own. 
>>
>> Re: 700c wheels, I love mine. I have 650b on my Clem and I love the big 
>> hoops on my Platy. The Platypus is so elegant with big wheels - they remind 
>> me of a ballgown, or a woman holding up her skirts, ready to go. With 
>> swept-back bars the bike looks like it is ready to take flight. I just love 
>> everything about it, and so will she. In fact, you mentioned she doesn’t 
>> ride much. Well, what was her bike before this? The Rivendell mixtes make a 
>> person ride more. Perfect comfort, so effortless, fits like your favorite 
>> outfit…you just rack up the miles. I won’t be at all shocked, nor will I 
>> say that I warned you, when you put another one in your size in the cart!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>> I was randomly on the Rivendell site last night just checking on parts 
>> and what not. Checked and was a bit surprised to see the Platypus was still 
>> available in all sizes! I showed them to my wife again just because. “It 
>> want one, that is my perfect bike!” I laughed a bit and said we should go 
>> ahead and get one since you never know when they’ll be gone or come back! 
>> She doesn’t ride very much and so I was a bit shocked to find out that she 
>> was serious!
>>
>>
>> So, a quick PBH double check later we had a 55 in the cart. I kinda hoped 
>> she’d be on 650b wheels this time but the size is the size. And I just so 
>> happen to have some “extra” 700c wheels to use at first. Very excited to 
>> get it and build it up! It will be a nice fi my to my Clem and Susie in the 
>> soon to be all Rivendell garage!
>>
>> On a side note with the seatpost binder bolt, my Susie was very difficult 
>> to loosen when I got it. I finally worked it loose though and put anti 
>> seize on there, no problems since. They should not be assembling anything 
>> dry at the factory. The cranks were almost seized from assembly as well. I 
>> had a heck of a time breaking the chainring bolts loose on a new set (with 
>> proper tools). I learned from a previous set that I had to drill out to 
>> always disassemble and reassemble with some anti seize.
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:19:19 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, I've heard the term "galling" before, but I always thought it 
>>> meant threads were somehow corroded, filled with debris, or buggered from 
>>> cross threading.
>>>
>>> I've also heard the term used to describe my personality...hehe...but 
>>> that's a thread for elsewhere.
>>>
>>> It's Friday afternoon. Can you tell? Yee-haw!!!
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 03:33:52 PM MST, lconley <
>>> lco...@brph.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem could be that the nut and bolt are both stainless steel. 
>>> Stainless on stainless can "gall", basically cold welding themselves to 
>>> each other. Lubricant / anti-seize on the threads can help prevent this.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:12:58 PM UTC-5 Mark C wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Oddly enough, I had the same experience with my Rosco Platypus. The 
>>> seatpost bolt was very tight to turn, but worked sort of okay for almost a 
>>> week through a few adjustments due to trying different saddles. Then as I 
>>> was turning onto my street after a ride, the seatpost slammed 

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[greenteadrinkers]

Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled off 
an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.

Best,
Scott

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and 
> probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really 
> cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it 
> rides smoother than anything. 
>
> Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I 
> should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but 
> I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried 
> at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more 
> comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…
>
> Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to 
> beat on Paul or White industries parts!
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I 
>> would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy 
>> with mermaid. 
>>
>> The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 
>> speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. 
>>
>> Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still 
>> waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I 
>> mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. 
>>
>> Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other 
>> bikes to get this on the road. 
>>
>> I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then 
>> the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. 
>>
>> -Jacob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I 
>> sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while 
>> climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! 
>> Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in 
>> really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" 
>> wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal 
>> strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so 
>> much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few 
>> tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But 
>> agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha 
>>
>>
>> the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a 
>> bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original 
>> clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  
>>> The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain 
>>> biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering 
>>> around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but 
>>> never could. 
>>> The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around 
>>> and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung 
>>> up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the 
>>> front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every 
>>> aspect. 
>>>
>>> One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is 
>>> straight line descents. I could bomb steep gravel roads like Bode Miller 
>>> soaring down a run. 
>>>
>>> Both good bikes. Just depends on what you prefer and are used to. I 
>>> personally gave the long wheelbase a couple of tries but couldn’t ever come 
>>> to grips with it. You might. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:16:39 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 RE those comparing Romanceurs and Rivs 

 I loved my (XL disc) Romanceur - but have a bad shoulder / neck. I 
 couldn't run drops. It didn't handle that well with upright bars IMO. The 
 short wheelbase makes it hop  and wheelie a lot climbing. I love climbing. 
 It rode amazing with a shortish stem and towel racks, but was a real neck 
 destroyer. Looked great though. Hauled front basket cargo like nobody's 
 business. I loved it - but not for me. 

 I traded it for a Clementine 59 and (also bought a) Clem Smith JR 64. 
 OG clementine feels a tad like the Romanceur a bit with a bit more room in 
 the front for swept backs and appropriate chain stays to keep it on the 
 ground. Climbs wonderfully. Clem JR just cruises like nobody's business. 
 One of the most fun and cruisey bikes ive ever ridden. The more slack head 
 tube makes it a bit floppier than the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Ryan Frahm]

Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and probably 
triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really cool but I 
don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it rides 
smoother than anything. 

Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I 
should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but 
I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried 
at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more 
comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…

Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to 
beat on Paul or White industries parts!
On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I 
> would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy 
> with mermaid. 
>
> The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 
> speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. 
>
> Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still 
> waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I 
> mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. 
>
> Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other 
> bikes to get this on the road. 
>
> I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then 
> the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. 
>
> -Jacob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
> I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I 
> sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while 
> climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! 
> Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in 
> really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" 
> wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal 
> strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so 
> much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few 
> tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But 
> agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha 
>
>
> the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a 
> bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original 
> clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  
>> The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain 
>> biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering 
>> around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but 
>> never could. 
>> The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around 
>> and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung 
>> up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the 
>> front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every 
>> aspect. 
>>
>> One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is 
>> straight line descents. I could bomb steep gravel roads like Bode Miller 
>> soaring down a run. 
>>
>> Both good bikes. Just depends on what you prefer and are used to. I 
>> personally gave the long wheelbase a couple of tries but couldn’t ever come 
>> to grips with it. You might. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:16:39 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> RE those comparing Romanceurs and Rivs 
>>>
>>> I loved my (XL disc) Romanceur - but have a bad shoulder / neck. I 
>>> couldn't run drops. It didn't handle that well with upright bars IMO. The 
>>> short wheelbase makes it hop  and wheelie a lot climbing. I love climbing. 
>>> It rode amazing with a shortish stem and towel racks, but was a real neck 
>>> destroyer. Looked great though. Hauled front basket cargo like nobody's 
>>> business. I loved it - but not for me. 
>>>
>>> I traded it for a Clementine 59 and (also bought a) Clem Smith JR 64. OG 
>>> clementine feels a tad like the Romanceur a bit with a bit more room in the 
>>> front for swept backs and appropriate chain stays to keep it on the ground. 
>>> Climbs wonderfully. Clem JR just cruises like nobody's business. One of the 
>>> most fun and cruisey bikes ive ever ridden. The more slack head tube makes 
>>> it a bit floppier than the Clementine with a high front load (ie basket or 
>>> porteur bag) Im likely going to keep the Clementine and part with the JR 
>>> only because of slight overlap and lack of space. 
>>>
>>> Now that I took the RIV plunge, having a high maintenance body that gets 
>>> pissed off easily, I can't imagine not owning a rivendell for 

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Jacob Byard]

The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy with mermaid. The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other bikes to get this on the road. I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  wrote:I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but never could. The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every aspect. One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is straight line descents. I could bomb steep gravel roads like Bode Miller soaring down a run. Both good bikes. Just depends on what you prefer and are used to. I personally gave the long wheelbase a couple of tries but couldn’t ever come to grips with it. You might. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:16:39 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:RE those comparing Romanceurs and Rivs I loved my (XL disc) Romanceur - but have a bad shoulder / neck. I couldn't run drops. It didn't handle that well with upright bars IMO. The short wheelbase makes it hop  and wheelie a lot climbing. I love climbing. It rode amazing with a shortish stem and towel racks, but was a real neck destroyer. Looked great though. Hauled front basket cargo like nobody's business. I loved it - but not for me. I traded it for a Clementine 59 and (also bought a) Clem Smith JR 64. OG clementine feels a tad like the Romanceur a bit with a bit more room in the front for swept backs and appropriate chain stays to keep it on the ground. Climbs wonderfully. Clem JR just cruises like nobody's business. One of the most fun and cruisey bikes ive ever ridden. The more slack head tube makes it a bit floppier than the Clementine with a high front load (ie basket or porteur bag) Im likely going to keep the Clementine and part with the JR only because of slight overlap and lack of space. Now that I took the RIV plunge, having a high maintenance body that gets pissed off easily, I can't imagine not owning a rivendell for my main ride anymore. I dont think you can make a wrong decision. I think it comes down to more or less tire size, aesthetics, and availability. Each has their slight niche variations, but overall no matter what be amazing. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:47:06 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Triples are my fave. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:It’s the Mermaid color. They only had one in stock so the decision was pretty easy. Right now I’ll be going 3x9. I bought a NOS Ritchey triple recently to put on my Long Haul Trucker but it’ll be going on the Gus. I could see going 2x9 or 2x10 at some point. White Industries makes some really nice stuff. It’s funny because I just bought some Paul Motolite brakes for the Trucker and now they’ll be pulled for the Gus. Back to the mismatched v-brakes. I still need wheels but I found a cheap set on eBay. They’ll do for now. The shipping notification just came through. Hopefully I’ll have it early next week. Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 15, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Luke Hendrickson