[RBW] Wanted 68cm Quickbeam
Somehow I keep losing out on these large singlespeeds. Some large individual must have a neglected one hanging around unused enough. I am willing to pay cash now or will accept cash and bike or frame towards a like new 64 Bombadil campy MTB component build beast. Or a 73cm Mark N. Custom built country like road bike that I might be willing to part with if anyone wants to maintain their herd at a constant factor to avoid Rivendell withdrawal symptoms. Sincerely, Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] rack suggestions
Those are there so you can mount a rear rack on the front.
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, oren wrote:
well i have a newer atlantis and i cant help but notice the threaded holes
at the top of the fork (fork shoulder). does anyone know of any racks that
would mount into these threads? i would prefer a porteur or cargo style
rack. i have a paul flatbed rack, and yet i dont like how it mounts on the
quill stem, i feel it makes the front of the bike look too busy. since
the threaded holes are there, id love to use them. any suggestions?
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
There is also a Riv blog post about the Hilsen tubeset here: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/3218082349/the-t-question-long-post-dry-reading The Homer is made with these tubes, if made in Wisconsin: Seat tube: True Temper Verus heat-treated CrMo. HT CrMo generally ends up with a tensile strength of at least 140,000 psi, so I’m guessing it does too, but if you must know, look it up online. The bike would be no worse if the seat tube metal had an ultimate tensile strength (UTS) of 100,000 psi. That’s more than strong enough, but if a truly crummier frame somewhere had the 140,000 psi metal, we’d look bad, and would look defensive defending the 100,000 psi tube, which is nuts. True Temper makes an even stronger tube, OX Platinum, which does’t work well for seat tubes, because heating hardens it to the point where it’s too hard to ream, so the seat post might not fit well. DOWNtube and TOP TUBE: Here we do use OX Plat, with a UTS of about 200,000 psi. At this point it’s sort of like putting a razor’s edge or super steel on a butter knife and calling it better for it. But in the only slightly weird world of marketing fancy bikes, when bad builders can buy the same tubing and brag about it, it makes nonsense to use something more realistically appropriate. The head tube is OX plat, too. With our lugs, with their reinforced head tube rings that totally forever absolutely will never ovalize, there’s no advantage to it, but we got it, anyway. On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:43:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/58sYCgZdWJsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Continued. The chainstays are OX PLAT, with the odd wall thickness of 0.76mm. Normal would be 0.7 to 0.9, with 0.8 being really common, but these are 0.76. Odd, but fine. They’re good chainstays. The seat stays are Reynolds double-tapered HT CrMo (725). TruTemp doesn’t make double-tapered seat stays, and the Hilsen doesn’t NEED them, but I like them and the Hilsen is our pride and joy, so we get them from Reynolds. The fork blades are Reynolds, too. We like this blade better than any other. It’s not heat-treated. I don’t like heat-treated fork blades, because I think in a front-end crash, the forks should bend before the downtube does. Sometimes both go—-you never can tell—but when you’ve got an OX Plat down tube, a non-heat treated fork makes sense. All of our lugs and bb shells and fork crowns and most of our dropouts are our own, meaning made just for us and of our design. They are as good as lugs can be, I think, but they can’t make a badly designed or poorly brazed frame good. Since our frames are well-designed (my opinion) and brazed, it makes sense to use really find fittings, and that’s why we do it. On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:29:55 AM UTC-4, newenglandbike wrote: There is also a Riv blog post about the Hilsen tubeset here: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/3218082349/the-t-question-long-post-dry-reading The Homer is made with these tubes, if made in Wisconsin: Seat tube: True Temper Verus heat-treated CrMo. HT CrMo generally ends up with a tensile strength of at least 140,000 psi, so I’m guessing it does too, but if you must know, look it up online. The bike would be no worse if the seat tube metal had an ultimate tensile strength (UTS) of 100,000 psi. That’s more than strong enough, but if a truly crummier frame somewhere had the 140,000 psi metal, we’d look bad, and would look defensive defending the 100,000 psi tube, which is nuts. True Temper makes an even stronger tube, OX Platinum, which does’t work well for seat tubes, because heating hardens it to the point where it’s too hard to ream, so the seat post might not fit well. DOWNtube and TOP TUBE: Here we do use OX Plat, with a UTS of about 200,000 psi. At this point it’s sort of like putting a razor’s edge or super steel on a butter knife and calling it better for it. But in the only slightly weird world of marketing fancy bikes, when bad builders can buy the same tubing and brag about it, it makes nonsense to use something more realistically appropriate. The head tube is OX plat, too. With our lugs, with their reinforced head tube rings that totally forever absolutely will never ovalize, there’s no advantage to it, but we got it, anyway. On Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:43:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oWllYaxmZgEJ. To
[RBW] Re: Wanted 68cm Quickbeam
Ryan, You could always turn the Mark N. Custom into a singlespeed. Use a White Industries ENO hub if it has vertical dropouts. If it is a country bike, than it is prolly pretty close to a quickbeam. That said, I hope you find a megahuge quickbeam! Scott P.S. Would you mind linking to a picture of the 73cm Mark N.? I'd love to see a bike that tall. On Apr 27, 1:53 am, Abcyclehank hankinso...@me.com wrote: Somehow I keep losing out on these large singlespeeds. Some large individual must have a neglected one hanging around unused enough. I am willing to pay cash now or will accept cash and bike or frame towards a like new 64 Bombadil campy MTB component build beast. Or a 73cm Mark N. Custom built country like road bike that I might be willing to part with if anyone wants to maintain their herd at a constant factor to avoid Rivendell withdrawal symptoms. Sincerely, Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
FWIW: While chatting w/ Riv folks awaiting my Bomba's arrival, they told me a lot about how its built. The diagonal mid-tube is the same as the top tube; and the seat tube is also the same tubing, which gets sized (why it has a 26.8 instead of a 27.2 seatpost); those and the downtube are all OX PLAT. Waterford builds the frames, the lugs/tubes assembly, but then Mark N. adds on the curva-stays that run from the diagonal at the middle of the seat tube to the stays (to a seat stay on one side, the other side to a chainstay). Took awhile for the frame to get built, as they had a new lug coming for doing the diagonal; but the extra time meant the new wider fork-crown arrived, too; which is why the NeoMoto 2.3's fit with lots of leftover clearance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/90_hsAaSSBgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
The tube specs came with my frame order receipt. On Apr 26, 2:18 pm, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
I meant to send this to the list. Saluki is not identical, iirc, but is similar. Maybe someone from RBW can chime in on that. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.comwrote: Down tube: Tohouku-Miyata Heat Treated double butted 31.8 .8/.5/.8 through 66CM 68 has .9/.6/.9 Top Tube: Tohouku-Miyata 28.6 .8/.5/.8 double butted Seat Tube: Tohouku-Miyata 28.6 1.0/.6 butted Head Tube: Tohouku-Miyata 31.8 .9 Seat Stays: Tohouku-Miyata 16 x .7 double tapered Chain Stays Tohouku-Miyata Heat Treated .8 Fork Blades Tohouku-Miyata 1.0 From the Rivendell web site 4/26/2007. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried to find them but couldn't. If you have any info that would be great. If it matters it's a green 64cm. - Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:43:41 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: At times RBW gives tube specs but usially not. Ram specs are published. You can search this list archives because i posted themwithin the last year. Or emsil me and ill send yhem from a device i can actually type on. Sent from my Kindle Fire -- *From:* Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thu Apr 26 16:18:48 CDT 2012 *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised How do you know the tubes? Was there a time when Riv told you what tubes they used? Iv'e been trying to find out the tubes in Rambs. Thanks, Ryan On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_**oH0RNXzUJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/j2_oH0RNXzUJ . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Not all Bombas take a 26.8. Mine (an early Diagaversion) uses 27.2, which thankfully allowed the use of the Nitto lugged set-back post. Could very well be that all current and future Bombas will be like yours Leslie. I even seem to recall that the 26.8 post was the original plan. (I even had a NOS XC-Pro in that size waiting...which I sold when I received the frame.) Maybe mine was a one-off. Marty On Friday, April 27, 2012 7:14:27 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote: FWIW: ...it has a 26.8 instead of a 27.2 seatpost -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xnvPR5gC0AoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam possibly for sale
Aimless interest? On Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:32:01 AM UTC-7, Duplomacette wrote: Thinkin' my attempt here on RBW is over. Thanks to those who showed aimless interest. On Apr 18, 4:35 pm, Duplomacette jjrhildr...@gmail.com wrote: I am seeing if anybody in the Mpls/St. Paul area is interested in a 52 orange Waterford Sam complete. I'm not completely opposed to shipping but a local sale would be easier for both parties. The bike was built up at Hiawatha Cyclery and has a guesstimated 500-1000 miles on it. I certainly don't NEED to sell it but if it went to a good home for the right price I'd be willing to part with it and make room in my already cramped garage for my new Riv. I can email the build list to anyone interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rz9dZEeMMIUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Forget the tubing, somebody needs to buy this custom frame! What a great bike!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eHlTYWuN17wJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam possibly for sale
To nameless in MN: curious about your new Riv -- what is it? Photos? Patrick aimless in albuquerque Moore who really does want to see those photos. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Aimless interest? On Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:32:01 AM UTC-7, Duplomacette wrote: Thinkin' my attempt here on RBW is over. Thanks to those who showed aimless interest. On Apr 18, 4:35 pm, Duplomacette jjrhildr...@gmail.com wrote: I am seeing if anybody in the Mpls/St. Paul area is interested in a 52 orange Waterford Sam complete. I'm not completely opposed to shipping but a local sale would be easier for both parties. The bike was built up at Hiawatha Cyclery and has a guesstimated 500-1000 miles on it. I certainly don't NEED to sell it but if it went to a good home for the right price I'd be willing to part with it and make room in my already cramped garage for my new Riv. I can email the build list to anyone interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rz9dZEeMMIUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Ranier Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle Grant Peterson book tour - May 11
I didn't know there was a sign up, should I email Kathleen? Russ On Apr 26, 5:41 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: For those list members that haven't signed up at FreeRange, here's the timing details on Grant's Seattle visit. Hope you all can show up. We will have about an hour to make a ride of it, and he is bringing a folding bike, so we will likely stay on a trail so as not to get caught in the dark. Bring your friends! Brian Hanson Seattle, WA -- Forwarded message -- From: FreeRange Cycles kathl...@freerangecycles.com Hi there, Grant Peterson will be at FreeRange Cycles Friday May 11th. He will do a book presentation from 5-5:30, a question and answer session from 5:30-6pm and a bike ride from 6-7pm. We will have books here to sell. Hope you can make it! Kathleen FreeRange Cycles -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Showers Pass Stuff On Sale
Hey - I am a riv owner and relatively regular poster here, also a member of this thing called The Clymb which is like a daily deal site for outdoor/adventure gear. They have a bunch of Showers Pass gear on sale right now (like 55% off) and I thought you guys might be interested. If you use my link I get a 10 dollar credit, which i'd appreciate, but i more just wanted to let you guys know in case anyone was interested: http://www.theclymb.com/invite-from/ZackLuby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Zgj1vUojAnkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle Grant Peterson book tour - May 11
I think the sign up was to gauge interest and send out the final dates/times. I think it's open to anyone. - Ryan On Friday, April 27, 2012 9:34:27 AM UTC-7, wrharper wrote: I didn't know there was a sign up, should I email Kathleen? Russ On Apr 26, 5:41 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: For those list members that haven't signed up at FreeRange, here's the timing details on Grant's Seattle visit. Hope you all can show up. We will have about an hour to make a ride of it, and he is bringing a folding bike, so we will likely stay on a trail so as not to get caught in the dark. Bring your friends! Brian Hanson Seattle, WA -- Forwarded message -- From: FreeRange Cycles kathl...@freerangecycles.com Hi there, Grant Peterson will be at FreeRange Cycles Friday May 11th. He will do a book presentation from 5-5:30, a question and answer session from 5:30-6pm and a bike ride from 6-7pm. We will have books here to sell. Hope you can make it! Kathleen FreeRange Cycles -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/leMCgyO61fYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle Grant Peterson book tour - May 11
I'll be there, on my Hillborne, blown knee be damned. Looking forward to meeting other Seattle Riv riders! On Apr 27, 9:51 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: I think the sign up was to gauge interest and send out the final dates/times. I think it's open to anyone. - Ryan On Friday, April 27, 2012 9:34:27 AM UTC-7, wrharper wrote: I didn't know there was a sign up, should I email Kathleen? Russ On Apr 26, 5:41 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: For those list members that haven't signed up at FreeRange, here's the timing details on Grant's Seattle visit. Hope you all can show up. We will have about an hour to make a ride of it, and he is bringing a folding bike, so we will likely stay on a trail so as not to get caught in the dark. Bring your friends! Brian Hanson Seattle, WA -- Forwarded message -- From: FreeRange Cycles kathl...@freerangecycles.com Hi there, Grant Peterson will be at FreeRange Cycles Friday May 11th. He will do a book presentation from 5-5:30, a question and answer session from 5:30-6pm and a bike ride from 6-7pm. We will have books here to sell. Hope you can make it! Kathleen FreeRange Cycles -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!
Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you to dilute the pretension. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jelUU9ltMYUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
Not a one-off, it was, and will be again. For the moment, on the current Bomba (and the Hunq too, I think), the reason some are using the 26.8 is because they're using the stouter top-tube for the seat tube, until they get another tube for use for the seat tube that will allow the 27.2 seatposts again. Eventually, they'll be 27.2. But a new one right now, should be a 26.8. On Friday, April 27, 2012 11:25:35 AM UTC-4, Marty wrote: Not all Bombas take a 26.8. Mine (an early Diagaversion) uses 27.2, which thankfully allowed the use of the Nitto lugged set-back post. Could very well be that all current and future Bombas will be like yours Leslie. I even seem to recall that the 26.8 post was the original plan. (I even had a NOS XC-Pro in that size waiting...which I sold when I received the frame.) Maybe mine was a one-off. Marty On Friday, April 27, 2012 7:14:27 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote: FWIW: ...it has a 26.8 instead of a 27.2 seatpost -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/42UxxZ6j4wAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!
I like to think of them as a riv-esque rally. . On Friday, April 27, 2012 12:17:56 PM UTC-5, Ablejack wrote: Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you to dilute the pretension. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Nbi-dJlJCC0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Showers Pass Stuff On Sale
Ka-ching. Always wanted a double century jacket. On Apr 27, 9:50 am, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: Hey - I am a riv owner and relatively regular poster here, also a member of this thing called The Clymb which is like a daily deal site for outdoor/adventure gear. They have a bunch of Showers Pass gear on sale right now (like 55% off) and I thought you guys might be interested. If you use my link I get a 10 dollar credit, which i'd appreciate, but i more just wanted to let you guys know in case anyone was interested: http://www.theclymb.com/invite-from/ZackLuby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle Grant Peterson book tour - May 11
Just show up. No need to sign in... On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM, wrharper wrussellhar...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't know there was a sign up, should I email Kathleen? Russ On Apr 26, 5:41 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: For those list members that haven't signed up at FreeRange, here's the timing details on Grant's Seattle visit. Hope you all can show up. We will have about an hour to make a ride of it, and he is bringing a folding bike, so we will likely stay on a trail so as not to get caught in the dark. Bring your friends! Brian Hanson Seattle, WA -- Forwarded message -- From: FreeRange Cycles kathl...@freerangecycles.com Hi there, Grant Peterson will be at FreeRange Cycles Friday May 11th. He will do a book presentation from 5-5:30, a question and answer session from 5:30-6pm and a bike ride from 6-7pm. We will have books here to sell. Hope you can make it! Kathleen FreeRange Cycles -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Showers Pass Stuff On Sale
there are also a bunch of kryptonite locks, swiss army knives, esbit stoves, and tents right now, didn't even see those. is like a riv stuff festival. lol. On Friday, April 27, 2012 12:50:18 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: Hey - I am a riv owner and relatively regular poster here, also a member of this thing called The Clymb which is like a daily deal site for outdoor/adventure gear. They have a bunch of Showers Pass gear on sale right now (like 55% off) and I thought you guys might be interested. If you use my link I get a 10 dollar credit, which i'd appreciate, but i more just wanted to let you guys know in case anyone was interested: http://www.theclymb.com/invite-from/ZackLuby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pKWXTZeQfgQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
This is a steal with JB paint and JS build! I wish it were my size... On Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55:43 PM UTC-7, SISDDWG wrote: Frame, fork, and headset only Frame: Long-low road Standard Size: 59cm measured ctt, tt has 1 degree upslope Braze-ons: Shifter bosses Cantilever bosses Rear rack mounts Installed Parts: Tange Rollerball headset 26.4 x 30.2 Paint: JB Green Painted head tube Window fill Specs: Top Tube: Reynolds 725 28.6 x 858 (AG206) Head Tube: Reynolds 531 31.7 x 0.9 Fork Blades: Reynolds 531 Rnd 24OD x 0.55 x 385 Down Tube: Tange Prestige 28.6 9-6-9 Seat Stay: Vitus 16OD x 0.8 x 560 Seat Tube: Vitus 28.6 976 (GTI) Chain Stay: Reynolds 725 22.2 ROR 8-6 (FX2500) NEVER crashed. No dents. Usual unobtrusive paint chips. Shipping within continental U.S.A. only. Buyer pays actual USPS cost. Price: $850 plus shipping cost via Paypal or cash if local pick up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1PRoGtTYpBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote: Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. I'm sorry you feel that way. There are some very nice folks here, and it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with them. This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm very glad I attended both. Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you to dilute the pretension. If you mean tension in advance of the potentially severe weather fine -- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us. In fact, come down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!
I think it's great having Riv Rally East. Unfortunately, I already have three weekends committed in the late March early April time frame, so does my wife. We have been unable to attend either year. It would be easier if this event were a little later, like the first weekend in May, or maybe the weekend after Mothers Day. It all makes me dream of holding a NE Riv Rally, here in northern VT. BTW, This isn't so much a recovery support group as it is an addicts club. Michael On Monday, April 23, 2012 10:21:12 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Boy, somebody up there must like us... Somehow we managed to slip through this weekend virtually untouched by this Nor'Easter that's been pounding several states in the East, and in the mean time had a fantastic ride from Cumberland, MD up to Ohiopyle, PA along the beautiful Great Allegheny Passage Trail. Our total rider count was 14, and folks came from as far away as Kalamazoo, Cleveland, Washington DC, Wilmington DE, Bowling Green OH, Princeton NJ and Syracuse. We had a great bunch, and the cross- section of Rivs was truly stunning... We had Saluki, Hilsen, Hillborne, Bombadil, Atlantis, Quickbeam, SimpleOne and Rambouillet... what a variety!! Friday night we assembled for dinner and a few beers in Cumberland, which is nestled in the mountains of western Maryland... beautiful country. Four of our group had ridden ahead to Frostburg, 16 miles up the trail where we planned to meet on Saturday morning. We were bracing for some pretty steady rain, and T-storms, according to the local weather forecast. Saturday morning we assembled at the Cumberland trailhead (where the CO Trail heads southeast to Washington, and the GAP Trail heads northwest to Pittsburgh). There is excellent overnight parking (covered by the highway), very close to the trail. We were wheels down by 8 AM, and hoping to get over the Eastern Divide by Noon. The sun was shining brightly at this point... huh??? We were puzzled, but delighted nonetheless. The ride up to Frostburg was gradual and not particularly difficult... but tedious. I was glad to stretch my legs at Frostburg, where we grabbed sandwiches to go, and met up with 3 of the 4 lead riders (one other rider, Ken Peyton was attempting an early breakaway... and would successfully hold off the peloton clear into Confluence, our stayover destination). A short distance up from Frostburg we came to the (massive) Big Savage Tunnel, which extends more than 3000 feet straight through Savage Mountain. This was IMPRESSIVE to say the least, and it was a blast to ride through. Shortly after the big tunnel we reached the top of the Eastern Divide (certainly NOTHING LIKE the Western Divide, but for us it meant our pedalling would get a subtle boost on the downside). The weather became cooler and more overcast, with an occasional short spritz, but no rain as had been predicted. The scenery along the trail was beautiful, including several high and long viaducts, the Salisbury being the longest at around 1900 feet... these were spectacular. As we neared Confluence, the scenery got even prettier, and we began to follow the river more closely. As Confluence loomed a mile or two ahead, the skies grew darker, and the last 1-2 miles to the Paddlers Lane House (where most of us were staying) were into a miserable headwind with steady rain. This is the first time I had to stop and actually put on my rain gear. But once inside the house, we dried quickly and forgot all about the rain. Our hosts were very accommodating, and generously loaned us their car to drive into town to pick up our other 2 riders (who were staying at 'overflow' accommodations), grab a stack o pizzas and a few sixpacks of beer the perfect ending to a perfect riding day. Sunday morning was overcast and noticeably colder, but still very good riding conditions. After a huge breakfast in Confluence at the local breakfast favorite, 12 of the 14 set off for Ohiopyle, while John Philip and Tom Nezovich headed back for Cumberland, which they planned to split into 2 days. The forecast was calling for snow Sunday night, so there was a slight chance they would get caught in snow Monday morning, or at least a nasty, wintry mix... I'll have to wait to hear how they made out. Meanwhile we rode into Ohiopyle (the veritable nerve center of the GAP trail, and a haven for kayakers and rafters). We had arranged for a tour of Frank Llloyd Wright's Fallingwater, which was amazing as usual, and then decided (due to a lack of time and a nasty forecast) to get shuttled back to Cumberland from Ohiopyle (instead of riding the additional 16 miles to Connellsville and risk getting caught in bad weather). It turned out to be a wise choice. I could go on and on about this weekend, but I'll let others chime in... GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, awesome
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Joe/Joe Longlow revised
I bet the reason is the steel was actually rolled to inch dimensions, which would be 0.030, a common thickness that is basically the same as 0.76mm Jim in Boulder On Friday, April 27, 2012 2:33:47 AM UTC-6, newenglandbike wrote: .. The chainstays are OX PLAT, with the odd wall thickness of 0.76mm. Normal would be 0.7 to 0.9, with 0.8 being really common, but these are 0.76. Odd, but fine. They’re good chainstays. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TAnzwp4XKv8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seattle Grant Peterson book tour - May 11
I'll be there on my butterscotch Saluki. Can't wait! Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Uoof2ys1yloJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FT: Mark's rack for a saddle
Thanks for all of the offers. The rack is spoken for. Thanks, Adam On Apr 25, 1:47 pm, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, I'd like to trade a mark's rack in like new condition for a Brooks saddle of similar condition. I'm imagining a B17 but am open to other possibilities. Located in Berkeley. Local swap is ideal but willing to ship as well. Thanks, Adam Please respond off list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: Re: RE: [RBW] Re: All Rounder vs Bleriot -Hetres w/ fenders
I don't pop the fenders off and on. I'm not that likely to fiddle with my bike, they just have become part of the bike. I think if I took them off, I would have to spend a little time re-jiggering the stays to clear the tire. Sometimes I have to take the front wheel off (when I take 2 bikes in my car), and then the fender gets bumped around and bent and I have to readjust the stays, which takes a couple of minutes. But day after day, if the wheel stays on, the fender stays clear. I also ride two different bikes regularly and the other bike doesn't have fender. I guess I should say that if I were more mechanically competent, it probably wouldn't be much of a problem to remove and replace the fenders. But that seems like a lot of extra work - to me! This picture doesn't really give you an idea of the clearance, it's just the most recent close up I have.http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/6942397248/in/photostream/On 04/27/12, eastcentralgeorg...@gmail.com wrote:Joan, do you ever pop out the fenders when you have a string of no-rain days and throw'em on for wet ones? Does the frame lend itself to this or is clearance tight enough that fenders stay put? I ask because I'm currently looking to buy a Bleriot and set it up as a rando all-day-er. On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:14:36 PM UTC-5, Joan wrote:I have SKS fenders on my Bleriot with Hetres, the combination has been on the bike for years. No problem at all.On 04/24/12, Allingham II, Thomas Jthomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I have Hetres on my Bleriot, but I don't think I could fit fenders on it. -Original Message-From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve PalincsarSent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:02 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder vs Bleriot for light touringOn Tue, 2012-04-24 at 04:13 -0700, islaysteve wrote: Wihtout reference to size, I don't think you'd be disappointed in the Bleriot at all. And between the two you originally posted, you'd save $1000, which isn't trivial. Granted the All Rounder is very nice looking. The Bleriot is a very pretty bike. For the savings, you could have it painted. Bleriot takes at least 38 tires, with fenders I believe. Maybe wider.I know someone who has Hetres on her Bleriot.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.--To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein.This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof.Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request.==-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:14:36 PM UTC-5, Joan wrote: I have SKS fenders on my Bleriot with Hetres, the combination has been on the bike for years. No problem at all.On 04/24/12, Allingham II, Thomas Jthomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: I have Hetres on my Bleriot, but I don't think I could fit fenders on it. -Original Message-From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve PalincsarSent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East Miraculously Escapes Weather Debacle!
I guess I simply prefer a more egalitarian theme for a ride. Inclusive rather than exclusive that's all. I don't think anything negative about the folks and certainly did not mean to insinuate that. There are about ten Riv owners in my club and sometimes it's all Rivs on a ride. No problem, ride whatever you want. I just didn't like the idea that on a Riv Rally someone might feel having a fancy bike is necessary to come along with the group. I suppose pretension was the wrong way to put it. Truly sorry. /Still, gorgeous bikes all, and perhaps the best trail in America. On Friday, April 27, 2012 4:05:34 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:17 -0700, Ablejack wrote: Beautiful photos and bikes along the best trail I've ever ridden. Also I really hate the idea of a Riv Rally. I'm sorry you feel that way. There are some very nice folks here, and it has been a great pleasure to meet them in real life and ride with them. This year's and last year's rallies were tremendous fun and I'm very glad I attended both. Good thing there was a Kogswell and Surly (both fine bikes) with you to dilute the pretension. If you mean tension in advance of the potentially severe weather fine -- but if you think the folks attending were poseurs and pretenders then all I can say is you have some very wrong ideas about us. In fact, come down to it, if you feel that way, why are you here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TVuHzkBpA-kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
