date:20121006

I went to 37 or 38 mm (at hoods) GB Maes Parallels at Jan Heine's
suggestion even tho' I was used to 42 cm 185s and 46 cm off road drops. I
find the narrower bars extremely comfortable, so much so that I went back
to 42 cm Noodles for the Fargo. (Tho' more comfortable for me, they are
lousy for singletrack.)

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:59 PM, tragicallyaverage daban...@gmail.comwrote:


 I stumbled upon some Grand Bois Maes Parallels at 41cm, they look
 wonderful just wondering if they'll be too narrow as they have a medium
 amount of flare IMO.




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: NIB Saluki 52 cm Pewter w/ 2 Headbadges, 650B - $1,500.00

2012-10-06 Thread Joe Bernard

That's a nice preview of the frame headed my way. Mine is canti, too. It 
will get a pretty standard Riv build left over from a slightly-too-big 
Hilsen I sold to Peter M. The one oddity among the parts is a mid-'90s CNC 
era Precision Billet ProShift rear derailer. I haven't decided on bars 
yet..might go with the new Boscos.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Friday, October 5, 2012 6:57:52 PM UTC-7, Jeremy T wrote:

 I have the same 52cm Pewter Saluki... the canti version! This is my first 
 Riv, my first 650b bike and my first post here. Just picked her up not long 
 ago. I have most of the parts ready to go, mostly used from here and there, 
 and am waiting to find wheels. I'll post photos when I'm done, but here she 
 is all bare:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fishfood/sets/72157631417511884/

 I'd be curious to see your two head badges.

 Jeremy in Oakland, CA


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[RBW] Re: Couple Rambouillet questions...

2012-10-06 Thread Joe Bernard

It's a road bike which takes tires big enough to go trail riding 
on..similar to the original LongLow. I had its slightly less costly twin, 
the Romulus. I'm not sure it would be ideal for heavily-loaded touring, but 
anything short of that - including singletrack where mountain bikers look 
at you like you're crazy (been there) - is fair game. If you ever find one 
in your size..BUY IT.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Friday, October 5, 2012 8:31:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 ...I often search the list as opposed to working, haha. 

 You get an A for 'makes good use of time. 

 As to searching the archives, go back a couple of years (maybe more?) 
 to a thread entitield Is the Ram the perfect bike or may have been 
 ...perfect Riv.  It was quite extensive, lively and really full of 
 good stuff about not only the Ram but lots of Rivs.  As I recall, it 
 got into lots of detail about subtle differences.  Check it out. 

 dougP 


 On Oct 5, 7:12 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 
  This is in no way mean to be dickish but I would say do a search within 
 the 
  actual groups page. I have been a member of the list for over a year and 
  this has been covered a few times in just that span. Might be easier 
 than 
  asking people to re-hash it again. Just to repeat, this is in no way 
 mean 
  to be a jerk reponse. I often search the list as opposed to working, 
 haha. 
  
  
  
  On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
   What is the equivalent in production now? 
  
   What was the Ram purpose then? All-rounder? Road? 
  
   I like Rambouillet bikes. Wish they would start making them again. 
  
   I like the head tube lugs and the badge, too. 
  
   I don't know. Just very regal looking road bikes. 
  
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[RBW] Re: Need rut-riding tips...

2012-10-06 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

The only thing I'll add is that it's often times the reaction to the 
condition which causes the accident.  Whether you overlap wheels with the 
rider ahead of you or drop a tire into an expansion crack, it's the 
reaction that causes the accident.

Here are a few of the things which have worked for me:
 
Relax. You have a significant amount of momentum, and if you can keep light 
on the front end (see Sand Riding below), the crack shouldn't stop you 
(especially if you have real world tires (30mm or above) on the bike.  
Hitting the brakes (remember, 80% of your braking is on the front wheel) 
makes bad things happen very fast.

Sand Riding.  When you ride in soft sand, the only way to stay upright is 
to get all the weight off of your front wheel and essentially surf through 
the drift on the back wheel. (steering with your hips, unicycle style). If 
you dump the front wheel into a rut get your weight back, back, back, back, 
back.  The dangerous tendency is to shift forward (if the rut is nasty 
enough to cause a reduction in speed, this is already happening) and muscle 
the front wheel out.  I've found that if you can get waay back, you can 
essentially wheelie out, rather than steering out.

Countersteering.  Not Just a Good Idea - It's the Law. There are two times 
when almost every rider forgets that a bike steers by countersteering - (a) 
when you are on the edge of the roadway or (b) when you drop into a rut.   
Let's take the roadway edge first.  You are on the right side of the road 
and there's a ditch to your right.  The shoulder suddenly disappears and 
you find yourself within a couple inches of a steep drop.  First reaction 
is to turn the bars left.  This, of course, makes the bicycle go right - 
towards the ditch, so you lean for all it is worth to your left.  This 
counteracts the steering action and all that happens is you keep plowing 
along straight, inches away from the drop. You get more and more tense and 
keep turning the bars left, while leaning left.  Frivolity ensues. 
With a rut, it can be a bit trickier, but let's assuming you stay relaxed 
and unweight the front wheel.  If you turn the bars left, the bicycle will 
want to go right, so what can happen - in unfortunately short order - is 
that the front wheel pops free on the left side of the rut, then the 
bicycle/rider combine goes right, dropping the wheel back into the rut, 
causing a panicked reaction and some manner of tumbling to the unforgiving 
roadway.  (This works the other way as well - even though the bicycle at 
first gets free, the great surprise is when the front wheel heads back for 
the rut as if drawn by a magnet.)  You have to be ready to hop the wheel 
over or stay front-end-unweighted until all the bits are are the same side 
of the rut. 

Relax and Ride it Out.  Unless you are in a group and someone is drafting 
very, very close to you, sometimes the best strategy is just of stop 
pedaling, lean back and let momentum take over. In off road conditions in 
my area, some trails are affected by seasonal rains, and you can find 
yourself in a significantly deep drainage rut. I have been stopped by 
wedging my pedals against the side of the rut. Not purposefully doing that, 
by the way...  But, on the roadway, if you don't overreact to the 
situation, momentum covers a lot of ills.  You may find yourself expelled 
from the rut, or just stopping.  

Now - disclaimer time - most of these things were learned by trial and 
failure*.  It takes a lot of practice to override your immediate 
reactions.  The ground is hard.  

But, the first key to staying upright is being able to relax on  the bike - 
grass drills (where you tussle and prod the rider next to you while riding 
on a soft, forgiving surface) and just playing on the bike - seeing where 
your balance issues are, doing the wrong thing and seeing if you can 
recover, super slow speed navigation  - will serve you well.

hope that helps,

- Jim / cyclofiend.com / cyclofi...@gmail.com

* and I will say this is one place where racing experience can help.  CX 
maneuvers in hellish weather, MTB racing, and of course the dreaded high 
speed crit pack all do help your handling skills.  Though the price for 
failure in those areas is a bit steeper. 

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[RBW] Re: Couple Rambouillet questions...

2012-10-06 Thread Joe Bernard

Speaking of...
 
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3318949114.html

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:52:13 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 It's a road bike which takes tires big enough to go trail riding 
 on..similar to the original LongLow. I had its slightly less costly twin, 
 the Romulus. I'm not sure it would be ideal for heavily-loaded touring, but 
 anything short of that - including singletrack where mountain bikers look 
 at you like you're crazy (been there) - is fair game. If you ever find one 
 in your size..BUY IT.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Friday, October 5, 2012 8:31:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 ...I often search the list as opposed to working, haha. 

 You get an A for 'makes good use of time. 

 As to searching the archives, go back a couple of years (maybe more?) 
 to a thread entitield Is the Ram the perfect bike or may have been 
 ...perfect Riv.  It was quite extensive, lively and really full of 
 good stuff about not only the Ram but lots of Rivs.  As I recall, it 
 got into lots of detail about subtle differences.  Check it out. 

 dougP 


 On Oct 5, 7:12 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 
  This is in no way mean to be dickish but I would say do a search within 
 the 
  actual groups page. I have been a member of the list for over a year 
 and 
  this has been covered a few times in just that span. Might be easier 
 than 
  asking people to re-hash it again. Just to repeat, this is in no way 
 mean 
  to be a jerk reponse. I often search the list as opposed to working, 
 haha. 
  
  
  
  On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
   What is the equivalent in production now? 
  
   What was the Ram purpose then? All-rounder? Road? 
  
   I like Rambouillet bikes. Wish they would start making them again. 
  
   I like the head tube lugs and the badge, too. 
  
   I don't know. Just very regal looking road bikes. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Need rut-riding tips...

This is great advice which I can confirm by contraries because -- largely
as a result of riding fixed, or perhaps I'm just a bad bike handler -- I
know the results of doing the opposite. So Jim's Axioms: Keep light; look
at your goal; counter steer -- and the Key Principles to Good Bike Handling.

I will add that fat tires on sand (not your skinny, hard 50s -- I mean fat
and soft) make a huge difference in sand; as, IME, do larger wheels. Last
weekend I was behind my brother as he fishtailed through sand, staying
upright only by powering through (he has very good bike handling skills, I
know this again per contraria). I floated over his deep tracks with far
less wobble. He on 700X50s or so at 35, I on 700cX60s at sub 20.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:

 The only thing I'll add is that it's often times the reaction to the
 condition which causes the accident.  Whether you overlap wheels with the
 rider ahead of you or drop a tire into an expansion crack, it's the
 reaction that causes the accident.

 Here are a few of the things which have worked for me:

 Relax. You have a significant amount of momentum, and if you can keep
 light on the front end (see Sand Riding below), the crack shouldn't stop
 you (especially if you have real world tires (30mm or above) on the bike.
 Hitting the brakes (remember, 80% of your braking is on the front wheel)
 makes bad things happen very fast.

 Sand Riding.  When you ride in soft sand, the only way to stay upright is
 to get all the weight off of your front wheel and essentially surf through
 the drift on the back wheel. (steering with your hips, unicycle style). If
 you dump the front wheel into a rut get your weight back, back, back, back,
 back.  The dangerous tendency is to shift forward (if the rut is nasty
 enough to cause a reduction in speed, this is already happening) and muscle
 the front wheel out.  I've found that if you can get waay back, you can
 essentially wheelie out, rather than steering out.

 Countersteering.  Not Just a Good Idea - It's the Law. There are two times
 when almost every rider forgets that a bike steers by countersteering - (a)
 when you are on the edge of the roadway or (b) when you drop into a rut.
 Let's take the roadway edge first.  You are on the right side of the road
 and there's a ditch to your right.  The shoulder suddenly disappears and
 you find yourself within a couple inches of a steep drop.  First reaction
 is to turn the bars left.  This, of course, makes the bicycle go right -
 towards the ditch, so you lean for all it is worth to your left.  This
 counteracts the steering action and all that happens is you keep plowing
 along straight, inches away from the drop. You get more and more tense and
 keep turning the bars left, while leaning left.  Frivolity ensues.
 With a rut, it can be a bit trickier, but let's assuming you stay relaxed
 and unweight the front wheel.  If you turn the bars left, the bicycle will
 want to go right, so what can happen - in unfortunately short order - is
 that the front wheel pops free on the left side of the rut, then the
 bicycle/rider combine goes right, dropping the wheel back into the rut,
 causing a panicked reaction and some manner of tumbling to the unforgiving
 roadway.  (This works the other way as well - even though the bicycle at
 first gets free, the great surprise is when the front wheel heads back for
 the rut as if drawn by a magnet.)  You have to be ready to hop the wheel
 over or stay front-end-unweighted until all the bits are are the same side
 of the rut.

 Relax and Ride it Out.  Unless you are in a group and someone is drafting
 very, very close to you, sometimes the best strategy is just of stop
 pedaling, lean back and let momentum take over. In off road conditions in
 my area, some trails are affected by seasonal rains, and you can find
 yourself in a significantly deep drainage rut. I have been stopped by
 wedging my pedals against the side of the rut. Not purposefully doing that,
 by the way...  But, on the roadway, if you don't overreact to the
 situation, momentum covers a lot of ills.  You may find yourself expelled
 from the rut, or just stopping.

 Now - disclaimer time - most of these things were learned by trial and
 failure*.  It takes a lot of practice to override your immediate
 reactions.  The ground is hard.

 But, the first key to staying upright is being able to relax on  the bike
 - grass drills (where you tussle and prod the rider next to you while
 riding on a soft, forgiving surface) and just playing on the bike - seeing
 where your balance issues are, doing the wrong thing and seeing if you can
 recover, super slow speed navigation  - will serve you well.

 hope that helps,

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com / cyclofi...@gmail.com

 * and I will say this is one place where racing experience can help.  CX
 maneuvers in hellish weather, MTB racing, and of course the dreaded high
 speed crit pack all do help

[RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion

2012-10-06 Thread Scot Brooks

http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/

Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive riders 
is acknowledging this, especially in Cycling Illustrated (the very-racy 
website I've managed to infiltrate with my own totally-non-racy weekly 
column, though this one isn't mine). 

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RE: [RBW] Re: FS: NIB Saluki 52 cm Pewter w/ 2 Headbadges, 650B - $1,500.00

2012-10-06 Thread Marc Schwartz

The recent finding and acquisition of (not one but) TWO pewter Saluki, Jeremy's 
in such fine condition, and Joe's new inna box, merits a major TOAST when the 
port comes 'round after dinnerHuzzah, Huzzah!

Congratulations,
Marc

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of Joe Bernard [joerem...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:43 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: FS: NIB Saluki 52 cm Pewter w/ 2 Headbadges, 650B - 
$1,500.00

That's a nice preview of the frame headed my way. Mine is canti, too. It will 
get a pretty standard Riv build left over from a slightly-too-big Hilsen I 
sold to Peter M. The one oddity among the parts is a mid-'90s CNC era 
Precision Billet ProShift rear derailer. I haven't decided on bars yet..might 
go with the new Boscos.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Friday, October 5, 2012 6:57:52 PM UTC-7, Jeremy T wrote:
I have the same 52cm Pewter Saluki... the canti version! This is my first Riv, 
my first 650b bike and my first post here. Just picked her up not long ago. I 
have most of the parts ready to go, mostly used from here and there, and am 
waiting to find wheels. I'll post photos when I'm done, but here she is all 
bare:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fishfood/sets/72157631417511884/

I'd be curious to see your two head badges.

Jeremy in Oakland, CA

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[RBW] FS: Misc stuff

2012-10-06 Thread ekoral

Damn! Such bad timing.  I've wanted to build up a karate monkey for quite some 
time, money is just super tight right now. I guess that project is gonna have 
to wait till next summer. That's a KILLER bike. If you had a 29er wheel set and 
some disc brakes along with it for a reasonable price I might be able to 
squeeze out some bucks, but otherwise, good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion

This has been the conventional wisdom for some time:

http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ankling.html

I remember when its efficacy *was* the conventional wisdom, from at least
the late 60s to the 80s or 90s.

IME, the truth as usual lies in between: you can pedal in circles to some
effect, but only for short periods. Two examples: deliberately pulling back
and (at least for a short part of the return stroke) up when torquing up
steep hills in a high gear; when accelerating for a sprint. I at least
can't keep it up for much more than a few moments and, even if I could, I'm
not sure it would do me much good except when trying to put extra torque to
the pedals.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/

 Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive riders
 is acknowledging this, especially in Cycling Illustrated (the very-racy
 website I've managed to infiltrate with my own totally-non-racy weekly
 column, though this one isn't mine).

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[RBW] Re: FS: Misc stuff

My friend! You talk to me. We make deal!

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:48:38 PM UTC-5, ekoral wrote:

 Damn! Such bad timing.  I've wanted to build up a karate monkey for quite 
 some time, money is just super tight right now. I guess that project is 
 gonna have to wait till next summer. That's a KILLER bike. If you had a 
 29er wheel set and some disc brakes along with it for a reasonable price I 
 might be able to squeeze out some bucks, but otherwise, good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion

I see from a closer look that the author basically says the same thing: not
that pedaling in circles accomplishes nothing, but that it does not do so
more efficiently -- with exceptions: he advances mountain biking (ie, up
steep hills in lowish gears, I assume) but the same is true as below. Note
too that the examples I give assume that one does not use one's gears to
best effect -- or that one doesn't have the benefit of multiple gears.
Climbing very steep hills, I assume, would be more efficiently done in
lower gears; and sprinting, I assume, would be better done mashing a higher
gear. I assume. Of course people pedal differently, so who knows.

Patrick if I wanted to be as efficient as possible I wouldn't ride fixed
Moore

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 This has been the conventional wisdom for some time:

 http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ankling.html

 I remember when its efficacy *was* the conventional wisdom, from at least
 the late 60s to the 80s or 90s.

 IME, the truth as usual lies in between: you can pedal in circles to some
 effect, but only for short periods. Two examples: deliberately pulling back
 and (at least for a short part of the return stroke) up when torquing up
 steep hills in a high gear; when accelerating for a sprint. I at least
 can't keep it up for much more than a few moments and, even if I could, I'm
 not sure it would do me much good except when trying to put extra torque to
 the pedals.


 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Scot Brooks scothinck...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/

 Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive riders
 is acknowledging this, especially in Cycling Illustrated (the very-racy
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Misc stuff

I'd be in the running too if I had money. Jim, if it doesn't sell, be sure
to post it again in a few months. I've got wheels and a disk set and can
easily scavenge the rest.

ekoral, if you buy and build it, please report how it does on singletrack.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 My friend! You talk to me. We make deal!

 On Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:48:38 PM UTC-5, ekoral wrote:

 Damn! Such bad timing.  I've wanted to build up a karate monkey for quite
 some time, money is just super tight right now. I guess that project is
 gonna have to wait till next summer. That's a KILLER bike. If you had a
 29er wheel set and some disc brakes along with it for a reasonable price I
 might be able to squeeze out some bucks, but otherwise, good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion

2012-10-06 Thread Michael Hechmer

No scientific basis for this at all, just a single data point.  I agree, 
cycling in circles seems good, but only for a short while, and not at all 
going uphill.  Mostly it helps me to smooth out my motion and that feels 
like an advantage.  I notice something else that seems to make a bigger 
difference in my pedal stroke.  When I am tired my knees tend to move 
outward, and when I move them back over the pedal I at least feel more 
efficient.

Lots of rain and too many commitments rather unhappily keeping me away from 
Fall riding.  It's a shame as we are at midseason foliage right now.

Michael
Westford, Vt

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 2:58:24 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I see from a closer look that the author basically says the same thing: 
 not that pedaling in circles accomplishes nothing, but that it does not do 
 so more efficiently -- with exceptions: he advances mountain biking (ie, up 
 steep hills in lowish gears, I assume) but the same is true as below. Note 
 too that the examples I give assume that one does not use one's gears to 
 best effect -- or that one doesn't have the benefit of multiple gears. 
 Climbing very steep hills, I assume, would be more efficiently done in 
 lower gears; and sprinting, I assume, would be better done mashing a higher 
 gear. I assume. Of course people pedal differently, so who knows.

 Patrick if I wanted to be as efficient as possible I wouldn't ride fixed 
 Moore

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  wrote:

 This has been the conventional wisdom for some time: 

 http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ankling.html

 I remember when its efficacy *was* the conventional wisdom, from at least 
 the late 60s to the 80s or 90s.

 IME, the truth as usual lies in between: you can pedal in circles to some 
 effect, but only for short periods. Two examples: deliberately pulling back 
 and (at least for a short part of the return stroke) up when torquing up 
 steep hills in a high gear; when accelerating for a sprint. I at least 
 can't keep it up for much more than a few moments and, even if I could, I'm 
 not sure it would do me much good except when trying to put extra torque to 
 the pedals.


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 http://cyclingillustrated.com/pedaling-circles-by-sean-burke/

 Nice to see that at least one cycling coach who trains competitive 
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[RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-06 Thread Michael Hechmer

This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have 
entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves 
me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the 
wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition.  So...

I recently stumbled across a web 
site, http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ  while looking for some 
health info.  The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the 
Primal Blueprint.  While his starting point seemed debatable the 
conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and 
congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell.  And 
they build on them.  They seem pretty practical, especially around 
exercise, to someone (moi) who is 68 years old, allergic to training, but 
still hoping to maintain an active life for as long as possible.

Have others on this list looked into this program more deeply, or tried it 
out.  What did you find, and what do you think?

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[RBW] WTB 110bcd chainguard

2012-10-06 Thread JL

Hey all,

I am looking for one of those nitto chain guards that mount on a 110bcd 
crankset.  I would like the same size as riv shipped on the quickbeam - to 
cover a 42t ring.   It looks like these nitto ones are offset a bit to 
allow for use with a derailer.  Does anyone have a spare in the parts bin?

JL
SF,CA

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-06 Thread Lyle Bogart

I learned about Mark Sisson through Grant's writings. After looking into
it, it appeared to be a refinement of what I do nutritionally anyway (I
don't forego carbs to the extent that Sisson does--can't give up baking my
own bread!). I find that the closer I adhere to Sisson's points, the more
even my energy feels throughout the day, the week, or just the ride. I also
do intermittent fasting, but not as a formal part of a plan--there're just
those days when I feel like not eating and so I indulge that.

Overall, through the years of being very active (former climbing and
backcountry skiing guide, long-distance running  cycling, etc.) I find
that fats are absolutely essential to my energy level and my ability to be
as active as I am. . .

My wife recently began adhering closely to Sisson's approach--she has many
food allergies and gluten intolerance--and noted very good results.

Cheers!

lyle

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207.882.6494
206.794.6937

On 6 October 2012 16:06, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have
 entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves
 me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the
 wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition.  So...

 I recently stumbled across a web site,
 http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ  while looking for some
 health info.  The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the
 Primal Blueprint.  While his starting point seemed debatable the
 conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and
 congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell.  And
 they build on them.  They seem pretty practical, especially around
 exercise, to someone (moi) who is 68 years old, allergic to training, but
 still hoping to maintain an active life for as long as possible.

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 out.  What did you find, and what do you think?

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it
may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key
to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of agriculture
-- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body (dig the
double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And more, the
Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and diabetic
until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat that
formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that the
traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart
trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats.

Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes,
but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you
eat carbs.

The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of obesity
and diabetes and heart disease.

Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good bread,
pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200% fit!
As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for one-size-fits-all,
while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may work for some people.
Well, my one-size-fits-all rule is that modern processing is probably bad.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have
 entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves
 me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the
 wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition.  So...

 I recently stumbled across a web site,
 http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ  while looking for some
 health info.  The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the
 Primal Blueprint.  While his starting point seemed debatable the
 conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and
 congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell.  And
 they build on them.  They seem pretty practical, especially around
 exercise, to someone (moi) who is 68 years old, allergic to training, but
 still hoping to maintain an active life for as long as possible.

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 out.  What did you find, and what do you think?

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[RBW] Re: Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion

2012-10-06 Thread Garth

Cycling like everything in unique for each person. Don't be afraid to play 
around it  it's a bicycle after all. It's supposed to be FUN :)


I changed to 152mm Sugino XD triple cranks a few years ago for example when 
I changed to a midfoot position over the pedal . Yes ... mid foot... 
against all the brules (BS rules) !!!   I am 75 inches tall, size 15 feet 
with a 36.5 PBH. I wear Birkenstock Arizonas, which are perfect for it as 
they are stiff in the arch.  I could even use shorter cranks but in a 
triple the Suginos are about the limit without having cranks chopped off 
for me. But 152's are fine.  What's it do for me ?  I use what power I do 
have (lol) much more efficiently than on the balls of my feet. My legs are 
never sore anymore even after hilly rides always fresh the next day.  
The shorter arms allow all that power and yet at a very easy to spin 
smaller circle. So it's like getting the leverage out of really long 
cranks, but with the speed and much less stress of the smaller circle of 
the short arms !  It's awesome   

Not for everyone  but simply an example of how no one knows what's best 
for you ... but you .  It's our choice to find it !.. or not ! 


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RE: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

2012-10-06 Thread Marc Schwartz

Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut. That's just 
me, not bein' pedantic here.
Marc

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it may 
well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key to good 
metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of agriculture -- ie, 
grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body (dig the double 
whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And more, the Hopi, 
Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and diabetic until they 
began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat that formerly made up 
most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that the traditional Inuit or 
the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart trouble or lack of energy 
because they ate mostly proteins and fats.

Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes, but 
then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you eat carbs.

The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of obesity and 
diabetes and heart disease.

Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good bread, 
pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200% fit! As 
with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for one-size-fits-all, while 
being wholly willing to accept that Primal may work for some people. Well, my 
one-size-fits-all rule is that modern processing is probably bad.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer 
mhech...@gmail.commailto:mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have 
entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves me 
right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the wisdom of 
extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition.  So...

I recently stumbled across a web site, 
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ  while looking for some health 
info.  The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the Primal 
Blueprint.  While his starting point seemed debatable the conclusions he comes 
to both about diet and exercise sound practical and congruent with the diet and 
exercise recommendations from Rivendell.  And they build on them.  They seem 
pretty practical, especially around exercise, to someone (moi) who is 68 years 
old, allergic to training, but still hoping to maintain an active life for as 
long as possible.

Have others on this list looked into this program more deeply, or tried it out. 
 What did you find, and what do you think?

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RE: [RBW] Re: Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that reiterates G.P.'s assertion

2012-10-06 Thread Marc Schwartz

..I'm pe-da-lin' in circles over yew..

-Hank Williams?-   ;)

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behalf of Garth [garth...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:10 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Pedaling in Circles article by a cycling coach that 
reiterates G.P.'s assertion

Cycling like everything in unique for each person. Don't be afraid to play 
around it  it's a bicycle after all. It's supposed to be FUN :)

I changed to 152mm Sugino XD triple cranks a few years ago for example when I 
changed to a midfoot position over the pedal . Yes ... mid foot... against all 
the brules (BS rules) !!!   I am 75 inches tall, size 15 feet with a 36.5 PBH. 
I wear Birkenstock Arizonas, which are perfect for it as they are stiff in the 
arch.  I could even use shorter cranks but in a triple the Suginos are about 
the limit without having cranks chopped off for me. But 152's are fine.  What's 
it do for me ?  I use what power I do have (lol) much more efficiently than on 
the balls of my feet. My legs are never sore anymore even after hilly rides 
always fresh the next day.  The shorter arms allow all that power and yet at a 
very easy to spin smaller circle. So it's like getting the leverage out of 
really long cranks, but with the speed and much less stress of the smaller 
circle of the short arms !  It's awesome 

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you ... but you .  It's our choice to find it !.. or not !

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

It must be like pedaling in circles -- people are very different.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Marc Schwartz mschw...@nmsu.edu wrote:

 Beer, bread, pasta, and sweeties make Marc look like Jabba the Hut. That's
 just me, not bein' pedantic here.
 Marc
 
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com]
 on behalf of PATRICK MOORE [bertin...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:08 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

 I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it
 may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key
 to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of agriculture
 -- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body (dig the
 double whatchamacallit negative). 10K years is pretty primal. And more, the
 Hopi, Chinese, Japanese and Indians didn't start getting fat and diabetic
 until they began to wean themselves from the rice, maize or wheat that
 formerly made up most of their diet. OTOH, I've seen no evidence that the
 traditional Inuit or the Masai suffered from obesity, diabetes, heart
 trouble or lack of energy because they ate mostly proteins and fats.

 Sure, traditional people also exercised more than modern couch potatoes,
 but then the Primal argument says that exercise won't keep it off if you
 eat carbs.

 The Italians and French are not noted for statistical excesses of obesity
 and diabetes and heart disease.

 Me, I eat my grandmother's primal diet that includes six packs, good
 bread, pasta as well as vegetables, dairy, wine, and red meat. And I'm 200%
 fit! As with cycling rules, I prefer to remain a skeptic for
 one-size-fits-all, while being wholly willing to accept that Primal may
 work for some people. Well, my one-size-fits-all rule is that modern
 processing is probably bad.

 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
 mailto:mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have
 entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves
 me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the
 wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition.  So...

 I recently stumbled across a web site,
 http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz28QX0hvFJ  while looking for some
 health info.  The author has a whole thing going under the rubric of the
 Primal Blueprint.  While his starting point seemed debatable the
 conclusions he comes to both about diet and exercise sound practical and
 congruent with the diet and exercise recommendations from Rivendell.  And
 they build on them.  They seem pretty practical, especially around
 exercise, to someone (moi) who is 68 years old, allergic to training, but
 still hoping to maintain an active life for as long as possible.

 Have others on this list looked into this program more deeply, or tried it
 out.  What did you find, and what do you think?

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Misc stuff

2012-10-06 Thread Jim Mather

KM's are great with single track, as long as you don't use a 42cm bar.

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[RBW] Re: Just Wrench as next book would be great. Here's why...

2012-10-06 Thread dougP

This idea has merit.  As mentioned a couple of times above, videos of
some of the more common  universal tasks (e.g., flat fix) would be
ideal.  The dreaded ...something's clicking back there... would be
another worthy subject.  I think if someone were interested enough to
look it up on-line  submit a problem, they would be willing to study
it enough to post something sufficiently descriptive to at least ask
follow up questions.

It might also help people understand what are simple problems of the
quarter-turn-of-the-barrel-adjuster variety and when to seek
professional advice.

dougP

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 Kent Peterson would be the man to do this. He recently started doing Bike 
 Talk on his bloghttp://kentsbike.comas an homage to the 
 great-soon-to-be-late-don't-get-bent-out-of-shape Car Talk. He offers some 
 advice and I've tried to get him to do a series for the New Home Wrench. 
 Perhaps Just Wrench would be a better name. Things like what should I 
 grease? stuff about cable stretch. Things that as a newbie are quite 
 mysterious.

 Even better would be a group website where folks can submit questions and a 
 hive mind of like-minded folks could answer at their leisure.

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[RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)

2012-10-06 Thread dougP

Robert:

TOO LATE IN THE DAY!  Those pictures were taken with plenty of
perfectly good daylight.  How could you not at least open the box?
That bike would have been all over my patio before the UPS guy had
started his engine.  Getting a new Riv is more exiting than Santa
Claus showing up.

OK, so you got it late on Friday  it's now afternoon there in Hawai'i
so I expect you're out riding your new bike.  Your initial ride report
is due to be posted yet today...remember: you are being watched!

We really are a bunch of dorks, getting excited about someone else's
new bike, looking a pix of the UPS truck arriving.  Maybe I should
think some more about that orange Ram in the Bay Area...

dougP

On Oct 5, 9:47 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hunqementation Chapter 1.

 The Arrival...

 http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

 Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has
 arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. I
 did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy UPS guy
 too...must have know what he had in the box. :-)

 The pictures prove something got delivered. ;-)

 Bet you can guess what I'm up to tomorrow.

 Aloha all!





 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:59 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  The QB documentation was great, so the Hunqementation will be just as good!

  On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com wrote:

  Great! A Hunq would complement my QB nicely too some day. Big Apples in
  50 are a very nice tire for something like a Hunq.

  happy trails
  jim m
  wc ca

  On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
  rfharri...@gmail.comwrote:

  Your order has shipped. Those are four of my favorite words.
  Apparently I agreed to 2-Day Air shipping of a brand new 62cm Hunqapillar.
  The air shipping is a bit overboard when you live in Hawaii because, quite
  frankly, it all comes by air anyway. But as I ordered the bike back in May
  I think I'll be happier with a bike this weekend than I would be spending
  the weekend wondering when it'll arrive. Right now it's scheduled for this
  Friday...yes.

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[RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar
Suggestions thread...

I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes.  I like them fine but wonder if
there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur.  (hand
position(s) and long ride comfort)

If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in
front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at
least mine are)  With this, it would seem that the flaring of the
Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position.  I wonder if
this is true in real life?

B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C
B-135 Rando (45, 25.4)  reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C
B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C.
While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that
the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare?

Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all
three) bars?



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Re: [RBW] Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

The B177 sounds just like the Nitto 185 with 95 mm of reach and 140 mm of
drop. I used to like the 185s and rode them for years (albeit in 42 cm
size); their great defect was the short ramp, especially if you -- as you
know you should -- keep the ends parallel to Mother Earth. But now find the
longer reach and shallower drop (115/125) Maes Parallels with longer ramps
noticeably more comfortable.

Velo Orange sells a bar with the same reach and drop, tho' not as nice as
the Super Nitto finish of the Grand Bois Parallels.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 7:45 PM, rw1911 rw1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar
 Suggestions thread...

 I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes.  I like them fine but wonder if
 there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur.  (hand
 position(s) and long ride comfort)

 If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in
 front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at
 least mine are)  With this, it would seem that the flaring of the
 Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position.  I wonder if
 this is true in real life?

 B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C
 B-135 Rando (45, 25.4)  reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C
 B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C.
 While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that
 the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare?

 Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all
 three) bars?



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[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

Thanks Patrick,

If I'm understanding the specs correctly, the 136 would provide and
additional 15mm of ramp to move around on... and it looks pretty
flat? I'm most curious about the impact of the wider flare, when on
both on the hoods and in the drops. Examining photos, it also appears
the Rando has an upward sweep from the center/stem?

On Oct 6, 10:16 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
The B177 sounds just like the Nitto 185 with 95 mm of reach and 140 mm of
drop. I used to like the 185s and rode them for years (albeit in 42 cm
size); their great defect was the short ramp, especially if you -- as you
know you should -- keep the ends parallel to Mother Earth. But now find the
longer reach and shallower drop (115/125) Maes Parallels with longer ramps
noticeably more comfortable.

Velo Orange sells a bar with the same reach and drop, tho' not as nice as
the Super Nitto finish of the Grand Bois Parallels.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 7:45 PM, rw1911 rw1...@gmail.com wrote:
Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below Drop Bar
Suggestions thread...

I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes. I like them fine but wonder if
there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur. (hand
position(s) and long ride comfort)

If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in
front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at
least mine are) With this, it would seem that the flaring of the
Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position. I wonder if
this is true in real life?

B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C
B-135 Rando (45, 25.4) reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C
B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C.
While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that
the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare?

Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all
three) bars?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)

2012-10-06 Thread Robert F. Harrison

On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Robert:

 TOO LATE IN THE DAY!  Those pictures were taken with plenty of
 perfectly good daylight.  How could you not at least open the box?
 That bike would have been all over my patio before the UPS guy had
 started his engine.  Getting a new Riv is more exiting than Santa
 Claus showing up.


Believe it or not, we don't get much twilight here. Within 30 minutes of
those photos it was getting near dark. I would have needed the light to
make all the images I wanted of unboxing, building, first ride, and so on.
And, knowing myself well enough, I left things in the box so no shiny bits
rolled away.

Indeed though, no shiny bits could get away. In the years since I got my
Quickbeam the packing skills at RBW haven't lessened a bit. The bike was
superbly packedvery, very safe and stable.

After morning errands I got to work on unpacking and within a couple of
hours (I'm slow and made images) I had a beautiful, and I mean beautiful
Hunq put together.

I should mention that because I had the bike built for me, all I really had
to do was hook up the brakes, put in the stem, tighten the handlebars in a
reasonable position (amazingly I got it really comfortable on the first
try), put on the front fender and rack, add a saddle (Brooks B-17 Select),
screw on some pedals (the new Gripsters - great pedals really), and ride
off.

Wow. Because I've got a couple of other bikes around I was actually able to
dial in the saddle after about 3 blocks. Then it was off for an around the
city waterfront ride. True it's all flat, but it's my city and I'll be
riding these roads a lot


 OK, so you got it late on Friday  it's now afternoon there in Hawai'i
 so I expect you're out riding your new bike.  Your initial ride report
 is due to be posted yet today...remember: you are being watched!


So yes, it's afternoon and I'm back.

I hate to say this but when I first got my Quickbeam I thought it was the
best bike I'd ever ridden. Up to that point I was right. The Hunq is even
better (or maybe it's because it's new, eh?).

It really is a superb bike though. While I definitely want some 50mm tires
soon, the 38mm's were super on city streets with plenty of air to keep me
comfy.

The Alba bars were a gamble for me. I'd ridden a Hunq at RBW back in May
and hadn't completely cared for them, but since they were part of the build
kit I figured I could swap later.

Nope, I love 'em. Wow. Yes, this bike is comfortable.

I stopped to make some images here and there...a wee bit of bike porn...and
continued around the city. I also stopped for an iced coffee because isn't
that really what a weekend is about? Riding and leisure. You just can't do
better.

I did manage to find a few patches of rougher stuff to ride on, a gravel
filled alley, a cut across a park on a crushed coral path, a bit of grass,
and the Hunq handled it all very nicely. The Alba bars gave me lots of
control and the geometry of it all kept me comfortable. More wow.

I really like the bar end shifters as I mostly forget they are there and
don't shift too much. :-)

Then it was home as I've got to clean up and go out with a friend for
dinner and birthday celebration. All in all I think put in about 10 miles
on my first ride and a good one it was.


 We really are a bunch of dorks, getting excited about someone else's
 new bike, looking a pix of the UPS truck arriving.  Maybe I should
 think some more about that orange Ram in the Bay Area...


I've got much better images now, though I have to admit that the smiling
UPS guy really brightened my day yesterday. :-)

The photos are uploading right now to my Hunq set on Flickr. I don't have
time to label them all right now, but I'll get around to that later
tonight. In the meantime, enjoy...

Slideshow

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

or 'no show'

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/

Tomorrow I think I can get in a nice long ride and try her out on some
hills to see how I like gears you can change while riding. What a concept!

Aloha,

Bob


 dougP

 On Oct 5, 9:47 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hunqementation Chapter 1.
 
  The Arrival...
 
  http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/
 
  Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has
  arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. I
  did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy UPS
 guy
  too...must have know what he had in the box. :-)
 
  The pictures prove something got delivered. ;-)
 
  Bet you can guess what I'm up to tomorrow.
 
  Aloha all!
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:59 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   The QB documentation was great, so the Hunqementation will be just as
 good!
 
   On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Jim Mather mather...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Great! A Hunq would complement my QB

[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

I've ridden the 135 and the 177 extensively. I like them both. I doubt you'd 
gain anything from switching, but it might be fun anyway.

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[RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)

Sweet bike, I like the new green!

I'm between a 54 and 58 but think the 58 would be a better fit.  If I
can come to terms with the diag-tube, I may own a Hunq someday.

Enjoy!



On Oct 6, 10:59 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Robert:

  TOO LATE IN THE DAY!  Those pictures were taken with plenty of
  perfectly good daylight.  How could you not at least open the box?
  That bike would have been all over my patio before the UPS guy had
  started his engine.  Getting a new Riv is more exiting than Santa
  Claus showing up.

 Believe it or not, we don't get much twilight here. Within 30 minutes of
 those photos it was getting near dark. I would have needed the light to
 make all the images I wanted of unboxing, building, first ride, and so on.
 And, knowing myself well enough, I left things in the box so no shiny bits
 rolled away.

 Indeed though, no shiny bits could get away. In the years since I got my
 Quickbeam the packing skills at RBW haven't lessened a bit. The bike was
 superbly packedvery, very safe and stable.

 After morning errands I got to work on unpacking and within a couple of
 hours (I'm slow and made images) I had a beautiful, and I mean beautiful
 Hunq put together.

 I should mention that because I had the bike built for me, all I really had
 to do was hook up the brakes, put in the stem, tighten the handlebars in a
 reasonable position (amazingly I got it really comfortable on the first
 try), put on the front fender and rack, add a saddle (Brooks B-17 Select),
 screw on some pedals (the new Gripsters - great pedals really), and ride
 off.

 Wow. Because I've got a couple of other bikes around I was actually able to
 dial in the saddle after about 3 blocks. Then it was off for an around the
 city waterfront ride. True it's all flat, but it's my city and I'll be
 riding these roads a lot



  OK, so you got it late on Friday  it's now afternoon there in Hawai'i
  so I expect you're out riding your new bike.  Your initial ride report
  is due to be posted yet today...remember: you are being watched!

 So yes, it's afternoon and I'm back.

 I hate to say this but when I first got my Quickbeam I thought it was the
 best bike I'd ever ridden. Up to that point I was right. The Hunq is even
 better (or maybe it's because it's new, eh?).

 It really is a superb bike though. While I definitely want some 50mm tires
 soon, the 38mm's were super on city streets with plenty of air to keep me
 comfy.

 The Alba bars were a gamble for me. I'd ridden a Hunq at RBW back in May
 and hadn't completely cared for them, but since they were part of the build
 kit I figured I could swap later.

 Nope, I love 'em. Wow. Yes, this bike is comfortable.

 I stopped to make some images here and there...a wee bit of bike porn...and
 continued around the city. I also stopped for an iced coffee because isn't
 that really what a weekend is about? Riding and leisure. You just can't do
 better.

 I did manage to find a few patches of rougher stuff to ride on, a gravel
 filled alley, a cut across a park on a crushed coral path, a bit of grass,
 and the Hunq handled it all very nicely. The Alba bars gave me lots of
 control and the geometry of it all kept me comfortable. More wow.

 I really like the bar end shifters as I mostly forget they are there and
 don't shift too much. :-)

 Then it was home as I've got to clean up and go out with a friend for
 dinner and birthday celebration. All in all I think put in about 10 miles
 on my first ride and a good one it was.



  We really are a bunch of dorks, getting excited about someone else's
  new bike, looking a pix of the UPS truck arriving.  Maybe I should
  think some more about that orange Ram in the Bay Area...

 I've got much better images now, though I have to admit that the smiling
 UPS guy really brightened my day yesterday. :-)

 The photos are uploading right now to my Hunq set on Flickr. I don't have
 time to label them all right now, but I'll get around to that later
 tonight. In the meantime, enjoy...

 Slideshow

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

 or 'no show'

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/

 Tomorrow I think I can get in a nice long ride and try her out on some
 hills to see how I like gears you can change while riding. What a concept!

 Aloha,

 Bob











  dougP

  On Oct 5, 9:47 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hunqementation Chapter 1.

   The Arrival...

  http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

   Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has
   arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. I
   did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy UPS
  guy
   too...must have know what he had in the box. :-)

   The pictures prove something got delivered. ;-)

   Bet you can guess

[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

Good to know.  So there is not a significant difference in wrist
angle... and comfort?


On Oct 6, 11:22 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
 I've ridden the 135 and the 177 extensively. I like them both. I doubt you'd 
 gain anything from switching, but it might be fun anyway.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)

2012-10-06 Thread Robert F. Harrison

I had a few moments with the diag-tube back when it was introduced but when
I saw the actual bikes at RBW (and test rode them) all doubts disappeared,
hence the Hunq.

And yeah, it's sweet. Maybe the color should be called 'sweet pea.' :-)

The 62 fits me really well, but I've got a 96 PBH so... :-)

I'm already looking forward to a ride tomorrow.

Aloha,

Bob


On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 PM, rw1911 rw1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sweet bike, I like the new green!

 I'm between a 54 and 58 but think the 58 would be a better fit.  If I
 can come to terms with the diag-tube, I may own a Hunq someday.

 Enjoy!



 On Oct 6, 10:59 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
   Robert:
 
   TOO LATE IN THE DAY!  Those pictures were taken with plenty of
   perfectly good daylight.  How could you not at least open the box?
   That bike would have been all over my patio before the UPS guy had
   started his engine.  Getting a new Riv is more exiting than Santa
   Claus showing up.
 
  Believe it or not, we don't get much twilight here. Within 30 minutes of
  those photos it was getting near dark. I would have needed the light to
  make all the images I wanted of unboxing, building, first ride, and so
 on.
  And, knowing myself well enough, I left things in the box so no shiny
 bits
  rolled away.
 
  Indeed though, no shiny bits could get away. In the years since I got my
  Quickbeam the packing skills at RBW haven't lessened a bit. The bike was
  superbly packedvery, very safe and stable.
 
  After morning errands I got to work on unpacking and within a couple of
  hours (I'm slow and made images) I had a beautiful, and I mean beautiful
  Hunq put together.
 
  I should mention that because I had the bike built for me, all I really
 had
  to do was hook up the brakes, put in the stem, tighten the handlebars in
 a
  reasonable position (amazingly I got it really comfortable on the first
  try), put on the front fender and rack, add a saddle (Brooks B-17
 Select),
  screw on some pedals (the new Gripsters - great pedals really), and ride
  off.
 
  Wow. Because I've got a couple of other bikes around I was actually able
 to
  dial in the saddle after about 3 blocks. Then it was off for an around
 the
  city waterfront ride. True it's all flat, but it's my city and I'll be
  riding these roads a lot
 
 
 
   OK, so you got it late on Friday  it's now afternoon there in Hawai'i
   so I expect you're out riding your new bike.  Your initial ride report
   is due to be posted yet today...remember: you are being watched!
 
  So yes, it's afternoon and I'm back.
 
  I hate to say this but when I first got my Quickbeam I thought it was the
  best bike I'd ever ridden. Up to that point I was right. The Hunq is even
  better (or maybe it's because it's new, eh?).
 
  It really is a superb bike though. While I definitely want some 50mm
 tires
  soon, the 38mm's were super on city streets with plenty of air to keep me
  comfy.
 
  The Alba bars were a gamble for me. I'd ridden a Hunq at RBW back in May
  and hadn't completely cared for them, but since they were part of the
 build
  kit I figured I could swap later.
 
  Nope, I love 'em. Wow. Yes, this bike is comfortable.
 
  I stopped to make some images here and there...a wee bit of bike
 porn...and
  continued around the city. I also stopped for an iced coffee because
 isn't
  that really what a weekend is about? Riding and leisure. You just can't
 do
  better.
 
  I did manage to find a few patches of rougher stuff to ride on, a gravel
  filled alley, a cut across a park on a crushed coral path, a bit of
 grass,
  and the Hunq handled it all very nicely. The Alba bars gave me lots of
  control and the geometry of it all kept me comfortable. More wow.
 
  I really like the bar end shifters as I mostly forget they are there and
  don't shift too much. :-)
 
  Then it was home as I've got to clean up and go out with a friend for
  dinner and birthday celebration. All in all I think put in about 10 miles
  on my first ride and a good one it was.
 
 
 
   We really are a bunch of dorks, getting excited about someone else's
   new bike, looking a pix of the UPS truck arriving.  Maybe I should
   think some more about that orange Ram in the Bay Area...
 
  I've got much better images now, though I have to admit that the smiling
  UPS guy really brightened my day yesterday. :-)
 
  The photos are uploading right now to my Hunq set on Flickr. I don't have
  time to label them all right now, but I'll get around to that later
  tonight. In the meantime, enjoy...
 
  Slideshow
 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/
 
  or 'no show'
 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/
 
  Tomorrow I think I can get in a nice long ride and try her out on some
  hills to see how I like gears you can change while riding. What a
 concept!
 
  Aloha,
 
  Bob

[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

Significant difference in comfort? Not for me. If your current set up is ok, 
how much more comfort do you need? If your current set up is not ok, might as 
well try something new.

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[RBW] Re: NITTO moved max height line higher on Technomics?! Photo proof here.



 Unless the seller I bought from is selling seconds...maybe someone at 
 NITTO had a bad day and stamped the shaft in the wrong place...


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[RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)

2012-10-06 Thread dougP

Bob:

Well done!  The bike looks terrific, and the unpacking / assembly
photos are cool.  It's fun to see the progression from bubble wrap 
zip ties to parts installed, then the bike on the road.  Hey, I didn't
get one of those cool tags on my Atlantis!  Of course, it was a while
back...a long while.

Enjoy!

dougP

On Oct 6, 7:59 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Robert:

  TOO LATE IN THE DAY!  Those pictures were taken with plenty of
  perfectly good daylight.  How could you not at least open the box?
  That bike would have been all over my patio before the UPS guy had
  started his engine.  Getting a new Riv is more exiting than Santa
  Claus showing up.

 Believe it or not, we don't get much twilight here. Within 30 minutes of
 those photos it was getting near dark. I would have needed the light to
 make all the images I wanted of unboxing, building, first ride, and so on.
 And, knowing myself well enough, I left things in the box so no shiny bits
 rolled away.

 Indeed though, no shiny bits could get away. In the years since I got my
 Quickbeam the packing skills at RBW haven't lessened a bit. The bike was
 superbly packedvery, very safe and stable.

 After morning errands I got to work on unpacking and within a couple of
 hours (I'm slow and made images) I had a beautiful, and I mean beautiful
 Hunq put together.

 I should mention that because I had the bike built for me, all I really had
 to do was hook up the brakes, put in the stem, tighten the handlebars in a
 reasonable position (amazingly I got it really comfortable on the first
 try), put on the front fender and rack, add a saddle (Brooks B-17 Select),
 screw on some pedals (the new Gripsters - great pedals really), and ride
 off.

 Wow. Because I've got a couple of other bikes around I was actually able to
 dial in the saddle after about 3 blocks. Then it was off for an around the
 city waterfront ride. True it's all flat, but it's my city and I'll be
 riding these roads a lot



  OK, so you got it late on Friday  it's now afternoon there in Hawai'i
  so I expect you're out riding your new bike.  Your initial ride report
  is due to be posted yet today...remember: you are being watched!

 So yes, it's afternoon and I'm back.

 I hate to say this but when I first got my Quickbeam I thought it was the
 best bike I'd ever ridden. Up to that point I was right. The Hunq is even
 better (or maybe it's because it's new, eh?).

 It really is a superb bike though. While I definitely want some 50mm tires
 soon, the 38mm's were super on city streets with plenty of air to keep me
 comfy.

 The Alba bars were a gamble for me. I'd ridden a Hunq at RBW back in May
 and hadn't completely cared for them, but since they were part of the build
 kit I figured I could swap later.

 Nope, I love 'em. Wow. Yes, this bike is comfortable.

 I stopped to make some images here and there...a wee bit of bike porn...and
 continued around the city. I also stopped for an iced coffee because isn't
 that really what a weekend is about? Riding and leisure. You just can't do
 better.

 I did manage to find a few patches of rougher stuff to ride on, a gravel
 filled alley, a cut across a park on a crushed coral path, a bit of grass,
 and the Hunq handled it all very nicely. The Alba bars gave me lots of
 control and the geometry of it all kept me comfortable. More wow.

 I really like the bar end shifters as I mostly forget they are there and
 don't shift too much. :-)

 Then it was home as I've got to clean up and go out with a friend for
 dinner and birthday celebration. All in all I think put in about 10 miles
 on my first ride and a good one it was.



  We really are a bunch of dorks, getting excited about someone else's
  new bike, looking a pix of the UPS truck arriving.  Maybe I should
  think some more about that orange Ram in the Bay Area...

 I've got much better images now, though I have to admit that the smiling
 UPS guy really brightened my day yesterday. :-)

 The photos are uploading right now to my Hunq set on Flickr. I don't have
 time to label them all right now, but I'll get around to that later
 tonight. In the meantime, enjoy...

 Slideshow

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

 or 'no show'

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/

 Tomorrow I think I can get in a nice long ride and try her out on some
 hills to see how I like gears you can change while riding. What a concept!

 Aloha,

 Bob







  dougP

  On Oct 5, 9:47 pm, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hunqementation Chapter 1.

   The Arrival...

  http://www.flickr.com//photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157631702162963/show/

   Sadly it was too late the day to do anything useful, but my Hunq has
   arrived. I even managed not to open the box...saving that for tomorrow. I
   did, however, made some images of the UPS truck's arrival. A happy

[RBW] Re: NITTO moved max height line higher on Technomics?! Photo proof here.



 I notice the old one (left) says NT on it, while the new one (right) has 
 RT stamped on it. I wonder what that means?


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[RBW] Re: Your order has shipped...(62cm Hunq)



 Nice pictures!!!
  

I could hear the music for 2001 A Space Odyssey playing in my head as each 
picture passed by on the slideshow.
 
That is a beautiful bike. Congrats!! 

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[RBW] Re: Couple Rambouillet questions...



 Blue, 56, would be mine, as long as the wife was ok with it.



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[RBW] Re: Rode my Giant Defy road bike today because...



 UPDATE:
 Got the hub back. Flipped bike. Put it on the bike. Pedalled a turn or 
 two. Went to the bathroom to wash my hands. When I returned, the wheel was 
 still moving. Now thats what I call a freed up hub.
  

Before, it was gravelly feeling and only spun several times with no 
momentum before wheezing to an anaemic halt.
 
So I am looking forward to a ride today to see if I can feel any 
difference. 

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[RBW] Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

2012-10-06 Thread Michael Richters

I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag.
Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too
short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's
Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for
mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just
fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame.

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[RBW] Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

I think one of the Berthoud mini front racks would work.

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?



 I can only comment on the NITTO Noodle.
 I really love it, but it is a big jump to the drops.

 

 They should make a Noodle with a shorter drop for smaller riders and 
 un-racers.
  

I actually heard a pedestrian yell to me Don't do it!! when I was 
reaching for the drops. A crowd was gathering, and Firemen were there with 
a blow up mattress. A racer in full kit rode up beside me and tried to talk 
me down before I jumped to the drops. (just kidding. OK, now I am getting 
silly).
 
 
 

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