Re: [RBW] Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Chen
Aw come on, Stonehog, the sun'll come out again! :) On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:58 PM, stonehog stone...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, put me down for 10 Edward Abbey bandanna's, Phil! Brian Hanson Seattle, WA (Heart is in Moab...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

2014-10-17 Thread hsmitham
Yep I do the same no problems here. -Hugh LA California -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
este - Jan Heine's photo http://www.compasscycle.com/images/tires_wipers3.jpg I've deflected sticks, rocks, piles of leaves and twigs, scraped mud - they work great.. Was riding with some friends after a good summer monsoon ran-off mud all over a paved city greenway that follows a creek

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
should have included this link - http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_wipers_700.html On Friday, October 17, 2014 5:53:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: este - Jan Heine's photo http://www.compasscycle.com/images/tires_wipers3.jpg I've deflected sticks, rocks, piles of leaves and twigs, scraped mud

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Hechmer
The rule of thumb for metal fenders is tire size plus 18 mm as a minimum. This allows 4 mm for each rolled edge and 10 mm of clearance. If you can go somewhat bigger than that, you should. The added space gives you the option of bigger tires in the future and reduces the chance of something

[RBW] Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Hechmer
It's Indian Summer here in northern NE, but the temperature is poised to drop and I am thinking about winter riding pants. The RBW MUSA pants look very light weight. I see a nice looking pair of wool blend at makersandriders.com. I have tights and country ski pants but would like something I

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Garth
Of course what's cold is relative to each person , that said, I love Outdoor Research Equinox Pants . They are also a lightweight supple brushed nylon, but instead of relying on velcro externally, they have hidden drawcords around the the inside of the ankle . I wear them mostly as knickers

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
my vote is still the MUSA pants with merino wool base layer, but of course, cold here is 40s. On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:28:07 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: It's Indian Summer here in northern NE, but the temperature is poised to drop and I am thinking about winter riding pants. The

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
I wear MUSA knickers and the black merino wool not-so-tights from Rivendell. I may have put two pair tights on when riding at -20˚F. Bleow the knee I wear calf warmers and socks and gators as needed. The nylon MUSA knickers/pants are very repelling of wind, which is where most of the cold

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Tony DeFilippo
I'm with Ron, I rode down to about 20deg regularly in musa pants and Patagonia silk weight long underwear... I added rain pants if it was wet or windy. I'm not planning on changing that up this year. Those who riding pants on the op's link are nice looking though! -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Jim Bronson
-20F??? I don't there's any bike pants that could get me out riding in those sorts of temperatures. On Oct 17, 2014 8:54 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I wear MUSA knickers and the black merino wool not-so-tights from Rivendell. I may have put two pair tights on when riding at

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Brian Campbell
I think that is the rear tire, shot from the non-drive side of the bike. You can see the chain in the backround. On Friday, October 17, 2014 6:53:40 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: este - Jan Heine's photo http://www.compasscycle.com/images/tires_wipers3.jpg I've deflected sticks, rocks, piles of

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Eric Norris
I’ve read Jan’s article and various emails and comments about fender clearance, but I haven’t seen anyone address the possibility that tight fender clearances improve safety by helping to *exclude* objects from being caught between the fender and tire. If I have 1cm of clearance (about a half

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
also with Deac, most of the time I will go with knickers, knicker base layer and Falke knee socks. With big wind, I'll go with the long pants, full -length base layer and thicker crew socks. What's very typical here is starting the morning in the low 40s and pushing low 70s by afternoon.

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Tony DeFilippo
20 deg F, not -20 deg F... below 20 I'm not riding to work usually. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: also with Deac, most of the time I will go with knickers, knicker base layer and Falke knee socks. With big wind, I'll go with the long pants, full -length

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread WETH
I commute 8 miles each way wearing MUSA pants over wool briefs and MUSA shorts down to about 26 degrees before I need to add some light weight tights underneath. On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:46:22 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: also with Deac, most of the time I will go with knickers, knicker base

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
I used to commute to -10F. Jeans with rainpants, wool sweater with shell. Leather mittens. Wool sox inside breadbags inside regular cycling shoes. Balaclava and sometimes goggles under the helmet. I'd start out warm, get cool in the feet, warm up in the feet and have moderately cold hands

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
You're way smarter than me, Jim. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I find that the Surly/Riv overlap is pretty small. It seems like only 3 Surly models have a comparable Riv analog. Much of Surly's line is more or less unique to Surly, or was unique when first introduced. That said, the two brands share a lot of similar ideas about versatility, tire clearance,

[RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

2014-10-17 Thread Edwin W
With this new bike and big tire clearances, there will have to be a new fender -= P60 longboard? Liking that 59 Clem, but wondering about overlap with my Sam, Edwin On Friday, October 10, 2014 8:22:27 AM UTC-5, Leslie wrote: It's up:

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
I've got several pairs of knickers which between them take care of all cool-to-cold weather riding. 2 pairs of Nashbar 2/3 pants made from good, tight nylon fabric are good with socks (or in my case, just ordered, Nashbar leg warmers) down to 40F or even lower. Then I have 2 pairs of knickers

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
Brian, if you search tire savers images, you can see examples of them mounted in both rotation directions. They work great this way, they eject Everything except dust and water from the fenders, and there is no physical way they could turn under the fender. Regards On Friday, October 17,

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Andy: what sorts of socks? Thick ones? If so, how did you get these into a pair of shoes that fit in the summer? I've heard that keeping your torso warm (where all the essential organs are) will prevent warming blood from being skinted to your extremities. Not sure if this agrees with my

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread iamkeith
I do a lot of winter riding in Wyoming these days, but on a snow bike. I found some fantastic pants by Patagonia called guide pants. Looks like they've changed a slight bit since I got mine a couple of years ago, but this is close. Without looking through the entire website, there might be

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
Patrick: I don't recall the name right now...I'm wearing through my last few pair. Ah. DeFeet Blaze, IIRC. Not especially high, but thick in the right places. Perfect for me, and they likely fit because since I have size 13*B* (very narrow) feet, even size 13 cycling shoes tend to be a

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks; good reviews from the quick google I just did. In fact, I may have a pair of these myself, as I came into a stash of very lightly used DeFeet and Icebreaker socks sold on one list or another. I gather that their warmth comes from their tight weave as much as from their bulk. On Fri, Oct

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Speaking of winter riding pants, I have a NOS pair of very thick wool army pants from some European country that have been sitting in my extras bin for 10 years or so. Never worn by me. ~34 waist and ~32 inseam, but I can check. Make offer. Shipping from 87120. Photos coming. On Fri, Oct 17,

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
I don't think Deac puts on shoes until 10 below On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:25:36 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: You're way smarter than me, Jim. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Anne Paulson
It's funny about Surly's image, though. Surly has an enormous presence in the long distance bike touring community. If you ride one of the big Adventure Cycling routes, maybe one in four or one in five bikes is a Surly LHT: you find them at every campsite. And most of these riders do not seem

[RBW] Re: Seat post clamp bolt snapped

2014-10-17 Thread Johan Larsson
It could very well be that the threads on the seat post bolt were damaged and that they had galled(?) in the nut so you couldn't tighten it properly. That would explain that the bolt broke when you were releasing it and normally very little force is needed. If this is the case you only need a

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Jeffrey Marco
My rule is if they don't rub, they fit. On Monday, October 13, 2014 11:46:09 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: 1. How much clearance above tread, all around tire? 2. How much clearance from sides of tire (where the rolled edges envelope sides of tire)? 3. Should I just get the widest fender that

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread ascpgh
I picked up a pair of Mammut soft shell pants off the sale rack at REI last year. They are made of a Schoeller fabric that is inherently water resistant and look remarkably normal with jean-style pockets, belt loops and snap/zip front. No provision to snug the cuff for riding, but my velcro

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Shawn Granton
When it gets cold and wet enough in the Pacific NW (say like next month), I pull out the old military wool surplus pants. The pair I've owned for about 7 years came from the local army surplus for like $10, probably (East) German origin. Good thick wool that is great for cold and wet. I had

[RBW] FS: 26 rims and wheel, 650B synergy rim

2014-10-17 Thread Philip Williamson
I have 26 rims: - 32h Ritchey Girder offset rear rim. New. Shiny black, machined brake track. - 40h Mavic 217. New, gray anodized. Eyelets go all the way through the rim. - 32h Used, some tape residue to clean off the side and edge. Dull silver (I have spokes and

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 10/17/2014 12:10 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: It's funny about Surly's image, though. Surly has an enormous presence in the long distance bike touring community. If you ride one of the big Adventure Cycling routes, maybe one in four or one in five bikes is a Surly LHT: you find them at every

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
My experience agrees with Anne's that the LHT is probably the most common bike model seen on bike touring routes (Cross-check is also common). Jamis and Novara, and perhaps others, also market some of their bikes for touring-ish activities. Also, I usually encounter some European person or

[RBW] FS: 26 rims and wheel, 650B synergy rim

2014-10-17 Thread David Banzer
Philip, I'll buy the 650b Synergy if available still. Contact me at daban...@gmail.com. Apologies to list, on mobile, unable to send PMs. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
There was a Jamis booth at our recent San Antonio Siclovia. I was very disappointed they only brought out towne fixies - I wanted to see one of their touring bikes. On Friday, October 17, 2014 1:48:00 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: My experience agrees with Anne's that the

[RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Garth
I don't buy things based on a company's advertising or perceived attitude. The only thing that matters to me is is it what I really really want ? ! ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Chen
how can you tell what you want if they don't tell you what you want?! :) On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I don't buy things based on a company's advertising or perceived attitude. The only thing that matters to me is is it what I really really want ? ! !

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug

2014-10-17 Thread Mike
On Friday, October 10, 2014 10:37:46 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I think this would be the *perfect *replacement for the ubiquitous LHT. In my experience, most people w/ a Trucker use it as a commuter/all-rounder rather than a touring bike. This would be a better looking if not

[RBW] WTT: My 100mm Technomic Stem for your 80mm Technomic Stem

2014-10-17 Thread Mike K.
Looking to shorten my stem a little bit. I went too big, and now my seat is all the way forward, and I just feel all...stretched out. I bought it new in August. It's in excellent shape. No scuffs and minimal (read: hardly noticeable) insertion marks going no farther up than about 1 cm from

Re: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 10/17/2014 03:09 PM, Garth wrote: I don't buy things based on a company's advertising or perceived attitude. The only thing that matters to me is is it what I really really want ? ! ! And yet, if a company's advertising/perceived attitude is strong enough, bystanders will associate

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Jim Bronson
I was responding to Deacon Patrick who did mention negative 20 Fahrenheit. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: 20 deg F, not -20 deg F... below 20 I'm not riding to work usually. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: also

Re: [RBW] Re: Surly after Riv

2014-10-17 Thread Garth
The moment I cater to what other people think of who/what I associate with , I become their slave . All my life I have associated with whomever and whatever I desire , not without discord of course, but if I don't listen to and trust myself and my desires I imprison myself to their wants

[RBW] Re: HAR and Swift panniers?

2014-10-17 Thread Bob Cook
Thanks, John. Swifts are adjustable if one chooses the Arkel hardware option, which I have. The pertinent measurements would be the available horizontal tube between the rearward vertical tube of the rack and the fork blade, and the available horizontal tube in front of the fork. Any chance

Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Chris Chen
two words: COVER EVERYTHING On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: I was responding to Deacon Patrick who did mention negative 20 Fahrenheit. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: 20 deg F, not -20 deg F... below 20 I'm

[RBW] WTT riv road / quickbeam /parts

2014-10-17 Thread JL
Hello all, looking for trades of sales - email with questions of offers offlist please. What I have: 54 cm road standard frame1996 - paint beausage but decals and condition 9/10. 54 cm quickbeam frame silver, decals gently and cleanly removed. Spare parts to help build either frame, or

[RBW] Re: Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.

2014-10-17 Thread Mike Schiller
Edward Abbey bandana's!! can I get a few in green? ~mike Carlsbad Ca On Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:32:48 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: Presaling the Jamboree shirts and patches was the only way they could have happened. It was a big deal for me, and kind of a breyeah/...akthrough

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Anton Tutter
Yes, that is on the front of the fender (the trailing edge). That would be preferred to the leading edge (the rear), but the way the tire savers are designed, if on the leading edge and something snags them, the rubber tubes holding the scraper will just give and no jamming into the fender will

Re: [RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Michael Hechmer
I think Eric's points are very well worth considering. The tighter tolerances leave little room for error. If you load your bike in the back of the car, there is a good chance that the fender will be knocked out of your perfect line. If you are prepared to live with that tight tolerance

[RBW] Re: WTT: My 100mm Technomic Stem for your 80mm Technomic Stem

2014-10-17 Thread lungimsam
In the meantime, if you have drops, you can shorten the reach a coupla cm's by rotating the brake levers up a little. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Eric Daume
Several years ago, I ordered a custom made jacket and pants from Foxwear. Basically a one man shop in Idaho that makes sports clothing, so definitely MUSA. But the prices were very reasonable, it was maybe $220 shipped for the jacket, pants and a hat. I really like the stuff, especially the pants:

[RBW] Re: Winter Riding Pants

2014-10-17 Thread Kevin M
IMHO the answer is Swrve midweight pants. They are not quite soft-shell, have 4-way stretch, are breathable and water resistant, look normal(!), and are tailored for riding. They come in hipster skinny and kinda skinny. They also make soft-shell pants but I prefer layering underneath the mid

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Brian Campbell
Thanks for the education. I had not seen them installed that way before. Now, are you SURE they are installed correctly :-)? On Friday, October 17, 2014 11:53:28 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: Brian, if you search tire savers images, you can see examples of them mounted in both rotation directions.

[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?

2014-10-17 Thread Ron Mc
all I know is they work On Friday, October 17, 2014 7:54:07 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: Thanks for the education. I had not seen them installed that way before. Now, are you SURE they are installed correctly :-)? On Friday, October 17, 2014 11:53:28 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: Brian, if