Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Jay Connolly]

Pretty much unimaginable to me, but the variety of people who manage it tells 
me that, like most things in life, it's mental toughness that sees people 
through. Certainly makes me feel like a wimp for some of my in-my-head whining 
during those first long (80km) rides in the spring.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L's available now?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I indeed have a new Clem L on order. I understand the confusion, I just 
read my last post and it's quite convoluted. Hey, it made sense in my head!

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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Orc]

The occasional stupid mechanical failure is just another thing, just like 
watching the clock, but being able to head out from my front door, go 
across the Cascades, loop through a bunch of covered bridges, then come 
ghosting back into Portland via country roads in the middle of the night 
250 miles later is just a really pleasant way to spend 20 hours or so on 
the road.

-david parsons

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 4:44:32 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Thats crazy.  I also think that randonneuring is a form of extreme 
> activity in which people can take a cool thing as riding a bicycle for long 
> distance and going way too far.
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Orc  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>>
>>> Dude was riding the hardest gear for the last 100km because his cables 
>>> failed, a 50 and a 12.  He said it was very hard but very nice. 
>>>
>>
>>  Was he riding through?   If so, I could see how pushing a 5:1 would 
>> sort of mix together with the other hallucinations at that point.
>>
>>
>>  -david parsons
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 "TC" (what is your name?): When I ordered my second custom (stripped 
 gofast fixie) from Riv, 18 years ago, I shyly told Grant, "For me, 30 
 miles 
 is a long ride." He replied, "It *is* a long ride!" So I felt 
 validated.

 Thanks for the link.

 Patrick Moore, who rides fixed on the road, which multiplies his 
 effective mileage by 5, in ABQ, NM

 On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:14 PM, tc  wrote:

> Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet 
> " on Vimeo, about randonneuring, 
> specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris (PBP) cycling marathon done every 
> 4 
> years.  Heck, some of you have probably done it.  English or French 
> subtitle versions available.  My longest rides are 30 miles or less ... 
> which is laughable in comparison to 1230KM journey depicted in this 
> movie.  
> Maybe one day I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take me.  
> Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great movie that focuses on 3 
> of 
> the 5K or so people that entered a recent PBP, one of which was 68!
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[RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[tc]

Has anyone listed the Rivendells and their riders that have participated in a 
PBP?

Wonder if ever a production (non-custom) Rivendell was ridden...

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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Steve Palincsar]

If they can do it, it's not way too far for them.  For me, 200 km is 
about as far as I'm going to go.  However, the structure - the Rules - 
what some might call "the bureaucracy" add something special that goes 
well beyond your ordinary garden variety century ride, even if the 
distance is less than 100 miles.


BTW - even if your shifter cable breaks there's no reason to ride in a 
50x12.  You can use what cable is left to hold tension on the derailleur 
to keep it in a large(r) sprocket by clamping it under the edge of a 
water bottle cage.  This way, instead of to high and way, way too high, 
you can set a drivetrain so that you have a low gear and a cruising gear.



On 07/25/2017 07:44 PM, Lee Legrand wrote:
Thats crazy.  I also think that randonneuring is a form of extreme 
activity in which people can take a cool thing as riding a bicycle for 
long distance and going way too far.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Orc > wrote:




On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote:

Dude was riding the hardest gear for the last 100km because
his cables failed, a 50 and a 12.  He said it was very hard
but very nice.


 Was he riding through?   If so, I could see how pushing a 5:1
would sort of mix together with the other hallucinations at that
point.


 -david parsons




On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Moore
 wrote:

"TC" (what is your name?): When I ordered my second custom
(stripped gofast fixie) from Riv, 18 years ago, I shyly
told Grant, "For me, 30 miles is a long ride." He replied,
"It /is/ a long ride!" So I felt validated.

Thanks for the link.

Patrick Moore, who rides fixed on the road, which
multiplies his effective mileage by 5, in ABQ, NM

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Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet
" on Vimeo, about
randonneuring, specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris
(PBP) cycling marathon done every 4 years.  Heck, some
of you have probably done it.  English or French
subtitle versions available. My longest rides are 30
miles or less ... which is laughable in comparison to
1230KM journey depicted in this movie.  Maybe one day
I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take
me.  Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great
movie that focuses on 3 of the 5K or so people that
entered a recent PBP, one of which was 68!
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[RBW] Re: New Clem L's available now?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Joe,

Congrats on the soon-to-be new bike if I am reading correctly!  Yay!  Not 
that I count on them but I do indeed like happy endings... I am glad it 
worked out!

Bob


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>
> I'm on the opposite end of that. I missed the green Cheviot and really 
> liked that bike. After having a weird financial cluster pop up and selling 
> my Appaloosa and a couple other bikes, the cluster righted itself 
> and...Cheviot-green Clem L on the way!

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[RBW] Re: New Clem L's available now?

[Joe Bernard]

I'm on the opposite end of that. I missed the green Cheviot and really liked 
that bike. After having a weird financial cluster pop up and selling my 
Appaloosa and a couple other bikes, the cluster righted itself 
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[RBW] Re: Current location(s) for visiting Rivendell?..

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Make sure you're hungry when you go to Riv and you can eat Pho at the noodle 
place next door. I made it to HQ for the first time in June and it was 
fantastic. 

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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What Grant told Patrick is right. 30 miles is a long ride. I'm a randonneur and 
I did PBP in 2015. It is a very, very difficult ride. The hills are absolutely 
endless. I had a DNF at just over 1000km due to a sidewall cut on my Compass 
extra light tires that couldn't be  fixed. I used 2 boots and a paper euro, to 
no avail. After 7 flats in around 35 miles, I had to bail. Sometimes I wonder 
why I do it because, quite frankly, once a ride gets over 300km (186 miles) 
there are some very, at least for me, "not fun" times. That is where 
randonnesia (the art of forgetting those times when you want to throw the bike 
in a ditch and call an Uber) comes in handy. But PBP is an incredible 
experience. There's a filmmaker named Damon Peacock, from the UK, who has also 
made at least 2 (2011 and 2015) PBP films that are very good. Maybe I'm only 
plugging him because I was riding next to him on the first day and he put me in 
the movie. Oh, and also, list member Eric Norris has several (many?) brevet 
films. 

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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Patrick Moore]

Another cyclist, in another venue, remarked that he'd rather stick a pencil
in his eye than ride such distances. Chacun a son gout.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Thats crazy.  I also think that randonneuring is a form of extreme
> activity in which people can take a cool thing as riding a bicycle for long
> distance and going way too far.
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Orc  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>>
>>> Dude was riding the hardest gear for the last 100km because his cables
>>> failed, a 50 and a 12.  He said it was very hard but very nice.
>>>
>>
>>  Was he riding through?   If so, I could see how pushing a 5:1 would
>> sort of mix together with the other hallucinations at that point.
>>
>>
>>  -david parsons
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 "TC" (what is your name?): When I ordered my second custom (stripped
 gofast fixie) from Riv, 18 years ago, I shyly told Grant, "For me, 30 miles
 is a long ride." He replied, "It *is* a long ride!" So I felt
 validated.

 Thanks for the link.

 Patrick Moore, who rides fixed on the road, which multiplies his
 effective mileage by 5, in ABQ, NM

 On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:14 PM, tc  wrote:

> Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet
> " on Vimeo, about randonneuring,
> specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris (PBP) cycling marathon done every 4
> years.  Heck, some of you have probably done it.  English or French
> subtitle versions available.  My longest rides are 30 miles or less ...
> which is laughable in comparison to 1230KM journey depicted in this movie.
> Maybe one day I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take me.
> Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great movie that focuses on 3 of
> the 5K or so people that entered a recent PBP, one of which was 68!
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[RBW] Re: New Clem L's available now?

[adam leibow]

if i hadn't snagged one of the last 2015 green cheviots i would probably 
buy one of these clems. saw them in person, do want. 

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 6:24:07 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I was just glancing at the Riv site and noticed that some Clem L completes 
> (52cm and 59cm) had been added.  I am thinking the copy needs some work as 
> the listing is for completes and the text talks a lot about frame only (at 
> least on first reading).
>
> Anyway, maybe worth some investigation if people are looking...!
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles/products/2017-autumn-clem-h-complete
>
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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Lee Legrand]

Thats crazy.  I also think that randonneuring is a form of extreme activity
in which people can take a cool thing as riding a bicycle for long distance
and going way too far.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Orc  wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>
>> Dude was riding the hardest gear for the last 100km because his cables
>> failed, a 50 and a 12.  He said it was very hard but very nice.
>>
>
>  Was he riding through?   If so, I could see how pushing a 5:1 would
> sort of mix together with the other hallucinations at that point.
>
>
>  -david parsons
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> "TC" (what is your name?): When I ordered my second custom (stripped
>>> gofast fixie) from Riv, 18 years ago, I shyly told Grant, "For me, 30 miles
>>> is a long ride." He replied, "It *is* a long ride!" So I felt validated.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who rides fixed on the road, which multiplies his
>>> effective mileage by 5, in ABQ, NM
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:14 PM, tc  wrote:
>>>
 Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet
 " on Vimeo, about randonneuring,
 specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris (PBP) cycling marathon done every 4
 years.  Heck, some of you have probably done it.  English or French
 subtitle versions available.  My longest rides are 30 miles or less ...
 which is laughable in comparison to 1230KM journey depicted in this movie.
 Maybe one day I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take me.
 Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great movie that focuses on 3 of
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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Orc]

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-7, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Dude was riding the hardest gear for the last 100km because his cables 
> failed, a 50 and a 12.  He said it was very hard but very nice. 
>

 Was he riding through?   If so, I could see how pushing a 5:1 would 
sort of mix together with the other hallucinations at that point.


 -david parsons


>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> "TC" (what is your name?): When I ordered my second custom (stripped 
>> gofast fixie) from Riv, 18 years ago, I shyly told Grant, "For me, 30 miles 
>> is a long ride." He replied, "It *is* a long ride!" So I felt validated.
>>
>> Thanks for the link.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who rides fixed on the road, which multiplies his 
>> effective mileage by 5, in ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:14 PM, tc  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet 
>>> " on Vimeo, about randonneuring, 
>>> specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris (PBP) cycling marathon done every 4 
>>> years.  Heck, some of you have probably done it.  English or French 
>>> subtitle versions available.  My longest rides are 30 miles or less ... 
>>> which is laughable in comparison to 1230KM journey depicted in this movie.  
>>> Maybe one day I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take me.  
>>> Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great movie that focuses on 3 of 
>>> the 5K or so people that entered a recent PBP, one of which was 68!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Current location(s) for visiting Rivendell?..

[Justin, Oakland]

I went to Silva today for a headset. 
WOWZERS. 
Anyone in the Bay needs to get down to campbell and check that place out. Rivs 
and Jones and Bears Oh my!

A great shop for sure. 

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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Lee Legrand]

Dude was riding the hardest gear for the last 100km because his cables
failed, a 50 and a 12.  He said it was very hard but very nice.



On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> "TC" (what is your name?): When I ordered my second custom (stripped
> gofast fixie) from Riv, 18 years ago, I shyly told Grant, "For me, 30 miles
> is a long ride." He replied, "It *is* a long ride!" So I felt validated.
>
> Thanks for the link.
>
> Patrick Moore, who rides fixed on the road, which multiplies his effective
> mileage by 5, in ABQ, NM
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:14 PM, tc  wrote:
>
>> Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet
>> " on Vimeo, about randonneuring,
>> specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris (PBP) cycling marathon done every 4
>> years.  Heck, some of you have probably done it.  English or French
>> subtitle versions available.  My longest rides are 30 miles or less ...
>> which is laughable in comparison to 1230KM journey depicted in this movie.
>> Maybe one day I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take me.
>> Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great movie that focuses on 3 of
>> the 5K or so people that entered a recent PBP, one of which was 68!
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[RBW] Re: Dog trailer for bikes - any experience or recommendations?

[Kellie]

Bikepacking.com just posted an article on this subject.

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
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> Hi All,
>
> We just adopted the sweetest rescue dog and I am trying to figure out a 
> way to transport him to work with me via bike.  He's a 50 lb shepherd mutt 
> who does not spook easily - hopefully he will learn to enjoy traveling by 
> trailer.
>
> Any recommendations for models to consider or avoid?
>
> Riv content: I will be attaching the trailer to my Toyo-built Atlantis 
> that is currently in commuter mode with MAP/Ahearne bars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric 
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[Patrick Moore]

"TC" (what is your name?): When I ordered my second custom (stripped gofast
fixie) from Riv, 18 years ago, I shyly told Grant, "For me, 30 miles is a
long ride." He replied, "It *is* a long ride!" So I felt validated.

Thanks for the link.

Patrick Moore, who rides fixed on the road, which multiplies his effective
mileage by 5, in ABQ, NM

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> Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet
> " on Vimeo, about randonneuring,
> specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris (PBP) cycling marathon done every 4
> years.  Heck, some of you have probably done it.  English or French
> subtitle versions available.  My longest rides are 30 miles or less ...
> which is laughable in comparison to 1230KM journey depicted in this movie.
> Maybe one day I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take me.
> Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great movie that focuses on 3 of
> the 5K or so people that entered a recent PBP, one of which was 68!
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[RBW] Movie "Brevet" on Vimeo

[tc]

Some likely already know of the movie "Brevet 
" on Vimeo, about randonneuring, 
specifically the Paris - Brest - Paris (PBP) cycling marathon done every 4 
years.  Heck, some of you have probably done it.  English or French 
subtitle versions available.  My longest rides are 30 miles or less ... 
which is laughable in comparison to 1230KM journey depicted in this movie. 
 Maybe one day I'll enter a populaire and see how far that will take me. 
 Anyway, if you haven't watched it, it's a great movie that focuses on 3 of 
the 5K or so people that entered a recent PBP, one of which was 68!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Patrick Moore]

For the record, I wasn't being snide or trying to deprecate when I used the
word "cruisers" -- I think that the word fits; they're very nice and fun to
ride and sporty cruisers. And -- I'm 62 -- in 10 years, heck, I may be
saving pennies for a Clem or Joe or similar.

As to Joe's hypothesis: I dunno. I was a late member of the original
bobgroup, and an early member of Rivendell, and I recall the print space
devoted to what basically was old school steel road bikes and all the cool
retro steel/friction/leather/canvas/wool roadie kit; only, more practical
than your 1995 Eddy Merckx. And IIRC, they -- Riv Roads, Long Lows, related
by marriage Herons -- sold a lot more than All Rounders.

Aside: My first customized Road was built around the All Rounder idea -- I
asked Grant to make me a XO-1 that was more roady and was better than the
XO-1. (He said, "Oh, it'll be better!") So, 54 cm st c-c, 56.5 level tt
c-c, 73* parallel, toute Riv 753 except perhaps the fork may have been 531.
Tweaked geometry, road tubing, lugs, and fork. Now, with a level top tube,
I can very comfortably ride a 60 c-c. I told Grant, "I'll post this to the
boblist!!!" He said, "Don't you dare!" But the statute of limitations has
run out.

A very nice bike, tho' I had to get a custom Salsa upjutter to make it fit;
but fit it did. The current '99 and '03, though, are light years and
quantum levels and levels of being better than that first 1995 custom, even
though that was a huge improvement, for road use, over the '92 XO-1 (I
think that the XO-1 was a good idea that hadn't yet come to fruition;
fruition was the Atlantis.)

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> I certainly get what you are saying Joe about the "cruisers" versus the
> "road" type of bikes.  I just would add that my Joe Appaloosa is far
> livelier than what most people would put into a cruiser category.  Really a
> fun ride and it gets up and going quite nicely for me.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I certainly get what you are saying Joe about the "cruisers" versus the 
"road" type of bikes.  I just would add that my Joe Appaloosa is far 
livelier than what most people would put into a cruiser category.  Really a 
fun ride and it gets up and going quite nicely for me.

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 12:44:23 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I think the transition was inevitable based on the rides Grant & Co. 
> actually do, and the bikes he was specifically designing for them at 
> Bridgestone. 
>
> The Road, LongLow, Heron Road and Rambouillet were all extensions of the 
> RB-1, which was probably considered an expected bike from Rivendell in the 
> first decade. But the All Rounder and Atlantis were the XO-1 that Grant's 
> heart was in (my opinion), and variations on that All Roads S240 theme 
> spread throughout the production models as the years went on. 
>
> The "cruisers" work well for commuting on rough roads and trails with a 
> bunch of stuff loaded on, and are presented to the buyer as "you don't have 
> to meet a mileage or speed goal, just get outside and go for a ride." It 
> manages to remain a niche for RBW in the sea of utilitarian steel bikes 
> that they created as the original nice. That's a neat trick!  
>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Elk Pass tires -- longevity

[Patrick Moore]

This is the '99 gofast; the '03's Elk Passes probably have even more miles
on them, and are still going strong!

We certainly have our choice of wonderful tires today!

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I finally, after 18 months, and a recent repeating puncture on the rear,
> replaced the original Stan's-ified tubes with new tubes containing Orange
> Seal.
>
> The tires have 3353 miles on them, and the rear is perhaps 1/2, perhaps a
> wee bit more, worn, while the front is 1/4 worn, if that. Pretty damned
> good for tires that weigh about 175 grams and get ridden occasionally on
> dirt and gravel! Jan really hit the best spot for ride and durability!
>
> In other news: the F Fred that has been on the rear of my Matthew and on
> the rear of the Fargo before it, has 2607 miles on it, and is a bit over
> 1/2 worn -- and this is a tire that, for its size, is even lighter than the
> Elk Pass and gets a lot more rough ground. Also PDG!
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[RBW] Compass Elk Pass tires -- longevity

[Patrick Moore]

I finally, after 18 months, and a recent repeating puncture on the rear,
replaced the original Stan's-ified tubes with new tubes containing Orange
Seal.

The tires have 3353 miles on them, and the rear is perhaps 1/2, perhaps a
wee bit more, worn, while the front is 1/4 worn, if that. Pretty damned
good for tires that weigh about 175 grams and get ridden occasionally on
dirt and gravel! Jan really hit the best spot for ride and durability!

In other news: the F Fred that has been on the rear of my Matthew and on
the rear of the Fargo before it, has 2607 miles on it, and is a bit over
1/2 worn -- and this is a tire that, for its size, is even lighter than the
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[RBW] Re: FS: 27.2 thomson silver seatpost

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Johnny, I'm confirming that an incoming frame is 27.2 in which case I am 
interested.  Private messages rarely work for me - please ping me at 
pbridge...@aol.com

Thanks
 

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 9:45:06 AM UTC-7, Singlespeed Johnny wrote:

> didn't hear back from perspective buyer, so this is still
> up for grabs. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Used 700c and 26 fat (non-knobby) tires and long reach caliper/centerpull brakes

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Austin,

No worries.  Given how much folks in this group ride, I'm sure there enough 
used tires to go around :)

Appaloosa is my first experience with fat tires (if would consider 47 and 
50 as fat!).  I'd have a hard time going back.  Not just for comfort, but 
also safety.  There were two incidents recently that would have ended up in 
a bad crash if not for the tires.   One of them where a local trail goes 
under a freeway.  You go several yards downhill, cross the bride from under 
and go up again.  In order to make going up easier, I maintain the speed 
while I'm under the bridge.  On a sunny day, the contrast is too high for 
my eyes to notice details on the trail under the bridge. This time there 
was a thick layer of dried mud (2-3 days after the creek has flooded).  My 
Appaloosa with 47mm tire somehow cleared the dirt patch (it was scary 
though, I had no control of the bike).  If it was my road bike, I would 
have likely ended up in the creek.  

Now I advice all my friends to go fat.  (I also have a tendency to ask them 
to eat less carbs, so they become less fat themselves)





On Tuesday, 25 July 2017 06:39:54 UTC-7, Austin B wrote:
>
> This is a cool idea. I've thoughts of making my Sam more offroady and 
> putting the fattest tires with some tread on it. Been reading a lot on the 
> forum & online about Soma Cazaderos, SimWorks Homage, Marathon Supremes, 
> etc. But I prefer to test it out a bit before investing $120+ in new tires.
>
> Most curious about how well the Cazaderos ride. If anyone has an old pair 
> of 700x42 they're looking to toss or unload, let me know if I can make it 
> worth your while to box up and ship to me (of course I'll cover shipping 
> costs too). Or if you're in DC/Baltimore area, I might be able to meet up 
> with cash-in hand.
>
> Though please give Ash first right of refusal since he started the thread 
> on this.
>
> -Austin
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Used 700c and 26 fat (non-knobby) tires and long reach caliper/centerpull brakes

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Hi Philip,

I have a set of 650b wheels and a few different tires for them.  Figured I 
could give them a try if I found  calipers that have long enough reach.

-Ash



On Monday, 24 July 2017 21:49:14 UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I have a pair of Schwalbe Big Apples you can have. Maybe some other 700C 
> tires, but probably micro-knobbies. 
> I don't understand the request for a long reach caliper, though, since the 
> brake hole to rim distance is fixed by the bike. You also don't need to 
> rely on theoretical measurements, since you can actually measure the 
> clearances. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com 
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 11:30:43 AM UTC-7, Ash [who works to bike] 
> wrote:
>>
>> Want to experiment with fatter tires on my friend's hybrid and mountain 
>> bikes.  I want to see what's the fattest they can handle.  Figured I can 
>> buy and try some tires you are about to throw away, instead of relying on 
>> theoretical measurements.  
>>
>> The hybrid has calipers.  So we'd be interested in a long reach caliper 
>> as well.
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: 27.2 thomson silver seatpost

[Singlespeed Johnny]

didn't hear back from perspective buyer, so this is still
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[RBW] 2017 latest dynamo/lights that are best in the world?

[Chris Corral]

+1 vote for Shutter precision and IQX combo. Mine has survived storms and 
rivers 

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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Craig Montgomery]

Ordered mine in '96 and took possession in '97. Still my main squeeze 
though I've put a low trail fork on it and converted to 650B.  

The first tour: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/4354670656/in/album-72157622053427539/

The last (as in most recent) tour: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/29460145875/in/album-72157673327069476/

Craig in Tucson

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 12:12:57 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>
> I bought a 1995 AllRounder (delivered Jan 1996) and have kept it all these 
> years. Waterford built, Reynolds 753 tubing, Richard Sachs lugs, chameleon 
> paint, room for 2.0 inch tires, what's not too love? Well, my 
> racing-mentality sizing is not to love. I chose a 58cm frame for my 89cm 
> PBH. Today I would choose a 61 or 62cm. I keep thinking I will sell it, but 
> never seem to do so.
>
> AllRounder 2017 
> 
> Head Tube 
> 
> Pinon Mesa ride 
> 
> Colorado National Monument 
> 
>
> Joe in GJT
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Used 700c and 26 fat (non-knobby) tires and long reach caliper/centerpull brakes

[Austin B]

This is a cool idea. I've thoughts of making my Sam more offroady and 
putting the fattest tires with some tread on it. Been reading a lot on the 
forum & online about Soma Cazaderos, SimWorks Homage, Marathon Supremes, 
etc. But I prefer to test it out a bit before investing $120+ in new tires.

Most curious about how well the Cazaderos ride. If anyone has an old pair 
of 700x42 they're looking to toss or unload, let me know if I can make it 
worth your while to box up and ship to me (of course I'll cover shipping 
costs too). Or if you're in DC/Baltimore area, I might be able to meet up 
with cash-in hand.

Though please give Ash first right of refusal since he started the thread 
on this.

-Austin

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[islaysteve]

Thanks for the great photos and writeup, Erl.  Looks like you had a 
fantastic trip and stayed in some nice places.  Can't wait to hear more 
details from you!  Steve


On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 7:21:13 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>
> Ride report/ first tour on Cheviot
>
> After commuting 1500 miles since October on my 60cm Cheviot, I figured it 
> was past time to undertake a tour with it.  My ride report on the credit 
> card tour is here:
> https://lightofferings.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/gap-trail-july-2017/
>
> The Cheviot of course lived up to my expectations.  Loaded with a large 
> Saddlesack on the rear and a basket with a Shopsack on the front, it was 
> steady, quick when needed, and comfortable.  My daily commute is 8 miles 
> each way with stops about every 2 miles for traffic lights.  I did need to 
> tweak handlebar height and angle so I was comfortable for longer distances 
> without a break.  I circumvented the single set of bottle mounts on the 
> Cheviot by carrying a bottle in the front basket and one in the Saddlesack, 
> a workable solution.  The Shopsack held my clothes and toiletries, and the 
> Saddlesack housed tools, snacks, extra sandals, raincoat, and 1st aid kit, 
> with plenty of room to add a tent and sleeping bag for when I camp.  I look 
> forward to more touring on this great bike!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/24/2017 10:17 PM, franklyn wrote:
I have two RapidRise and 3 normal rise rear derailleurs. The rapidrise 
bikes have the rear friction shifter mounted on the bar-end, whereas 
the normal rise bikes have friction shifters mounted on the downtube. 
I have never made a "mistake".


No, the change in shifter location should definitely prevent that kind 
of confusion.


As to the actual functioning of these derailleurs, I have no opinion and 
make no claims one way or the other.  My issues -- having been a victim 
of this in the past WRT SunTour front derailleurs -- lie solely with 
negative transfer 
.


All five of my bikes have standard-gauge tubing and all "plane" more 
or less. I found that when I am climbing with hard efforts the flex in 
the frame pulls hard enough on the shifting cables that the shifters 
get tucked a little and sometimes end up slipping a gear. I tend to 
tighten the shifters when that happens. The advantage of rapid rise in 
this scenario (which happens every ride I do), is that the derailleur 
will slip toward the lower gear, which is OK on a climb.


I would use all rapidrise except I find that it's noticeably harder 
(though not hard) to shift friction on the downtube with rapidrise. On 
every shift I tend to overshift and then trim it back.


Franklyn

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 6:05:53 PM UTC-7, GAJett wrote:

I have a RapidRise on my AHH, with newish (2010) Shimano
indexed/friction barcons. Absolutely love them. On my '73 Raleigh
Competition I currently have shifters on the downtube, but will
shortly return to '70's vintage Shimano barcons (the ones with the
inner spring mechanism).

While I still make mistakes with the RapidRise, they are minor and
don't bother me (decades riding pre-RapidRise made some habits).
 But I really don't expect moving back and forth to be much of a
problem. (I make many more mistakes with the twist-shifter on my
Bike Friday.)
Cheers!




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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Joe Bernard]

Ugh, I need an edit button. "Nice" near the end is "niche".

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