[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oops!

PBH x 0.8*8*3 = Saddle height. 
I ride just a bit lower than that.

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:52:47 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

> I have a couple of formulas in my garage, using cm:
> PBH x 0.69  =  Frame Size 
> PBH x 0.833 = Saddle Height
>
> I believe I got these from one of Grant's writings. My Riv custom follows 
> these formulas. My PBH is 89.2 and Grant built me a 61.5cm frame and my 
> saddle height is 74cm using 175mm cranks and spd pedals.
>
> Anyway they are a place to start.
>
> Joe in GJT
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:03:47 PM UTC-6, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
>> My PBH is 95 and I run my saddles (180/178 cranks) at 85. On my Joe, I 
>> use Pedaling Innovations long pedals and push my foot further forward. The 
>> saddle on that one is at 84. (Jury still out on the overall value of the 
>> pedals, but I no longer suffer excruciating hot foot on long rides, so that 
>> aspect of the experiment has been a success.)
>>
>> Jay
>>
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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a couple of formulas in my garage, using cm:
PBH x 0.69  =  Frame Size 
PBH x 0.833 = Saddle Height

I believe I got these from one of Grant's writings. My Riv custom follows 
these formulas. My PBH is 89.2 and Grant built me a 61.5cm frame and my 
saddle height is 74cm using 175mm cranks and spd pedals.

Anyway they are a place to start.

Joe in GJT

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:03:47 PM UTC-6, Jay Connolly wrote:

> My PBH is 95 and I run my saddles (180/178 cranks) at 85. On my Joe, I use 
> Pedaling Innovations long pedals and push my foot further forward. The 
> saddle on that one is at 84. (Jury still out on the overall value of the 
> pedals, but I no longer suffer excruciating hot foot on long rides, so that 
> aspect of the experiment has been a success.)
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Saddle height vs PBH

[Jay Connolly]

My PBH is 95 and I run my saddles (180/178 cranks) at 85. On my Joe, I use 
Pedaling Innovations long pedals and push my foot further forward. The saddle 
on that one is at 84. (Jury still out on the overall value of the pedals, but I 
no longer suffer excruciating hot foot on long rides, so that aspect of the 
experiment has been a success.)

Jay

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[RBW] Possibly FS: 1986 Pinnarello Montello

[Fullylugged]

Davey

Have a local friend interested in more info. Is there an email address I can 
pass along?

Bruce

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[RBW] Saddle height vs PBH

[Kai Vierstra]

Not true for me, I'm losing about 13 from my pbh, with 178 cranks.
-Kai
BK NY 

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[RBW] Feeler: 56cm Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis

[Belopsky]

Long story short - meniscus/knee injury and a move to a smaller place and 
the fact that I don't do any loaded touring means I am more motivated to 
sell off bikes than usual. If I can sell my fat bike, my Bob Jackson single 
speed the Rivendell is also on the chopping block.

Long story shorter - I can commute by bike currently but riding for fitness 
is not fun. Riding to explore is not fun. All else has to go.


It's a 56cm Toyo build Rivendell. It's in pretty good shape with a few 
knicks here and there. Lots of relatively new parts.

Nitto Compass Maes Bars
Nitto 90mm Stem
Dura-Ace bar end shifters
Black Newbaums w/ shellac
Shimano R400 Brake levers
Tektro CR720 Calipers w/ ceramic pads
Mavic Crossmax UST Ceramic (tubeless ready!)
TA Zephyr Triple
Thomson zero-offset elite seatpost (silver)
Shimano Ultegra front derailleur
Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur

No seat.

This bike weighs 24.x lbs.

$1800 is what would take it. Price is shipped. 
A bit outdated photos (bars and levers are different than this, and wrapped 
and there are bar ends)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/34371942264/in/dateposted-public/

I'm frustrated but I can lift weight without pain, and that's good for me 
right now.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Dave, for bringing a small measure of sanity to this discussion
recently gotten out of hand. I checked out the VO Sabots last month, to see
if they accept clips 'n' strap; and yes, they do -- a plus.

I've moved the Sabots once again to the top of the list, as able to take
clips/straps as well as Power Grips and clones.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:55 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Back to the subject
>
> For touring I use Hold-Fast straps with VO Sabot pedals, which for
> purposes of this discussion are similar to the Thin Gripsters. The pedals
> are well made and have a large 100mm by 100mm platform, which when coupled
> with the large-size Hold-Fast straps accommodate my size 13 shoes which
> traditional clips and straps don't. My favorite shoes with this are Keen
> Commuter sandals but without clips installed.  With this combination my
> feet are well-supported on the wide platform and are nicely snugged in so
> that I feel connected but can disengage easily. The straps are robust
> enough that I can pull up on hills. The only downside is the same one toe
> clips have; when disengaged the strap is always under the pedal, and it
> take a little practice to be able to flip them up easily and get your foot
> in.
>
> By the way, the company that sells the Hold-Fast straps also sells nice
> canvas bags for a reasonable price.  Not saddlebag-bags, but 7" x 4.5" and
> another size a little larger.  I use the smaller size for storing travel
> chargers so I can just grab the bag when I'm leaving for a trip.
>
> Dave
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thems These And Those:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001
>>
>> (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's
>> official.)
>>
>> https://holdfastordie.com/
>>
>> 1. Have any of youse used these and those?
>>
>> 2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?
>>
>> 3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?
>>
>> 4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your
>> feet to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed
>> drivetrain; (b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under
>> high load, as on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a)
>> and (b) to MKS GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions
>> or pads or whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost
>> in my cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii)
>> which would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry
>> and exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?
>>
>> Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca"
>> Moore
>>
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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Ray Varella]

Don't forget to factor in your crank length. 
5mm difference in cranks equals 10mm in the full revolution. 
5mm shorter means 5mm less at the top and bottom of the stroke. 
Go from 165mm to 175mm cranks and you may find your hip flexor, knees and foot 
muscles as well as calf and Achilles' tendons all affected. 


Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58 cm Rivendell custom touring bike on CL

[drew]

really pretty. im gonna pretend its slightly too big

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think it works well for me and I actually worked backwards and got my PBH 
from my saddle height.  I have a hard time measuring PBH due to obesity and 
my wife and I measured it at 83cm (5'11").  I can straddle an 84cm S.O. 
bike and still bend my knees a bit so I know 83cm isn't accurate.  From my 
SH of 75cm, I assume my PBH is 86'ish cm.  With slightly thicker soled 
shoes, I would go with a S.H. of 76 cm.  Luckily, the 86'ish estimate gives 
me clear size recommendations on the Rivs I would want to own.  54 Hunq (53 
is probably an option now),  55 Appaloosa and 52 Bombadil.   



On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 6:20:50 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
> pain and came across these articles: 
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and 
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
>  
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
> effectively even thinner? 
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] FS: Ortlieb handlebar bag, XTR rear der, Bicycle Quarterly mags, saddles, more

[Anne]

crossposted from bob

Ortlieb Ultimate 6 M Plus handlebar bag, gray. Waterproof. Includes 
shoulder strap, x-wing insert plus the improved insert as well as the 
optional camera insert and map case. You'll need to have or purchase a 
mounting bracket. $85

XTR rear der, long cage, RD-M980 10-speed $40  

Bicycle Quarterly Mags, issues 51, 56, 57, 58  $20

San Marco Aspide Racing saddle, width 156, white, two available. $50 one, 
both for $85

Please note, above prices don't include shipping. Message your shipping zip 
code and the items you'd like to purchase for a total.

Following items are priced based on being shipped with any of the above 
items.
Specialized ball cap, signed by Ned Overend $5 (or $15 alone)
Swerve Musette and new small laundered Tee (as a pacakge) $10 (or $20 alone)












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[RBW] Re: I made an Instagram for stuff I'm selling.

[Anne]

Like it. Could work well. Will need to make new habit about where I put 
images and tag 'em

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 11:49:52 AM UTC-4, adam leibow wrote:
>
> glad you guys like this idea. i like the collective hashtag idea. 
> #650rivbob ?
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[RBW] Re: Rambling Interview with Grant: Trail, Women's bikes, Low gearing, Current Reading, Etc

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If Grant responded easily to vogue pressure, we would have never heard of 
him.

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 7:49:57 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Grant should feel no pressure to abandon what he does just because there 
> is another way currently in vogue.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Garth]

I bet the white tape on his feet was common athletic tape, the kind of stuff 
used to tape ankles and all body parts in athletics, so I agree with 
Christopher as it could also be called medical tape by medical folk. 

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Re: [RBW] Saddle height vs PBH

[Steven Sweedler]

Chris, it works  for me, a pbh of 91 and a saddle height of 81, most of my
riding is in Shimano or Chaco sandals, all on platform  pedals. Steve
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:20 PM Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks.
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee
> pain and came across these articles:
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain,
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before),
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them
> effectively even thinner?
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Back to the subject

For touring I use Hold-Fast straps with VO Sabot pedals, which for purposes 
of this discussion are similar to the Thin Gripsters. The pedals are well 
made and have a large 100mm by 100mm platform, which when coupled with the 
large-size Hold-Fast straps accommodate my size 13 shoes which traditional 
clips and straps don't. My favorite shoes with this are Keen Commuter 
sandals but without clips installed.  With this combination my feet are 
well-supported on the wide platform and are nicely snugged in so that I 
feel connected but can disengage easily. The straps are robust enough that 
I can pull up on hills. The only downside is the same one toe clips have; 
when disengaged the strap is always under the pedal, and it take a little 
practice to be able to flip them up easily and get your foot in.  

By the way, the company that sells the Hold-Fast straps also sells nice 
canvas bags for a reasonable price.  Not saddlebag-bags, but 7" x 4.5" and 
another size a little larger.  I use the smaller size for storing travel 
chargers so I can just grab the bag when I'm leaving for a trip.  

Dave  

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thems These And Those:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001
>
> (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's 
> official.)
>
> https://holdfastordie.com/
>
> 1. Have any of youse used these and those?
>
> 2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?
>
> 3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?
>
> 4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your feet 
> to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed drivetrain; 
> (b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under high load, as 
> on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a) and (b) to MKS 
> GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions or pads or 
> whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost in my 
> cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii) which 
> would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry and 
> exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?
>
> Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca" 
> Moore
>
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[RBW] Saddle height vs PBH

[Garth]

As you know, what GP summizes as a starting point for saddle height is based on 
his experience and assumptions. Of course, we all have our own. I don't think 
he means it as the one and only way, just his experience and he's passing it 
along. 

Like all fit questions, the variables are infinite, and trying to "figure it 
out and pin it down for yourself", is utter futility. 

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Deacon Patrick]

I ride in sandals as well, and with a midfoot pedal placement, which has my 
saddle lower by some amount. I also like a bit lower saddle because I floor 
live and so am very used to squatting and bending my knees, preferring a 
lower stance, for example, for running.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 5:20:50 PM UTC-6, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
> pain and came across these articles: 
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and 
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
>  
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
> effectively even thinner? 
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My PBH is 88 cm and I put my saddle heights at 78 or 77 cm.  That works 
well with thicker-soled shoes like Keen sandals, but if I take a ride with 
thin-soled shoes like Vibram Five Fingers, that saddle height is too tall. 
 It's easier to change my shoes than it is to lower (and then raise) the 
saddle, so I do that instead.  But it was a learning experience to try a 
few rides with the Five Fingers.  

So, a 10-cm difference typically works well for me with most shoes, but not 
all shoes.  

BTW, when I started paying attention to Grant's recommendations on this 
subject, it was 10 cm, not 10 or 11.  That's why I put the saddle height 
and 78 and just went with it.  I don't know when the "or 11" crept in.  

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Christopher Cote]

Oh, and this article mentions the tilted hip thing: 
https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/11/knee-pain/

Chris


On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 7:20:50 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
> pain and came across these articles: 
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and 
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
>  
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
> effectively even thinner? 
>
> Chris
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Bill Lindsay]

Ooooh medical tape.  Maybe.  I'll rewatch the movie and make a judgement.  
Who's in the pool for:

Electrical tape
Scotch tape 
Newbaums

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[RBW] Saddle height vs PBH

[Christopher Cote]

I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
pain and came across these articles: 
https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
 and 
https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
 
I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
effectively even thinner? 

Chris

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58 cm Rivendell custom touring bike on CL

[Christopher Cote]

Wow, that's my size, and aside from the mustache bars, just how I'd set it 
up. Thankfully, I already have a Heron Touring with nearly identical 
geometry and a similar parts kit.

Chris


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>
> No relation to seller but this one looks worth a serious look:
>
>
> https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/d/rivendell-touring-off-road/6221169800.html
>
> 58 cm Curt Goodrich / Joe Bell custom with plenty of extra goodies, like a 
> complete wheelset w/ tires plus various bags, racks, etc.  
>
> Seller is in Mission Viejo which is 10 miles down the road from me if 
> anyone wants help on this.  
>
> Can't believe 2 Rivendells on craigslist this afternoon.  My wife was 
> messing around & just for laughs search on "Rivendell" and came up with 
> these.  Of course, we did a nice 30 miler this morning on our Atlantii.  
>
> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Christopher Cote]

I always thought it was medical tape, the cloth stuff with glue so strong 
it would reopen the cut when you tried to pull it off.

Chris


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>
> Patrick Moore implied that duct tape was employed to attach Daves feet to 
> the pedals during the Little 500 at the end of Breaking Away. 
>
> Without checking , I will wager the cost of a pair of HoldFast straps that 
> it was not duct tape, but masking tape.  
>
> Bill Pedal Pedant Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
>
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[RBW] PSA: 58 cm Rivendell custom touring bike on CL

[dougP]

No relation to seller but this one looks worth a serious look:

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/d/rivendell-touring-off-road/6221169800.html

58 cm Curt Goodrich / Joe Bell custom with plenty of extra goodies, like a 
complete wheelset w/ tires plus various bags, racks, etc.  

Seller is in Mission Viejo which is 10 miles down the road from me if 
anyone wants help on this.  

Can't believe 2 Rivendells on craigslist this afternoon.  My wife was 
messing around & just for laughs search on "Rivendell" and came up with 
these.  Of course, we did a nice 30 miler this morning on our Atlantii.  

dougP

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[RBW] PSA: 56 cm Rivendell custom fixed gear on CL

[dougP]

An Irvine local has a 56 cm custom listed on CL for $1,650:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/bik/d/custom-rivendell-bicycle-cm/6205128123.html

Joe Stark built, Joe Bell paint, Coleman green.  Seller lives a few miles 
from me if anyone wants help.  No relation to seller, just another guy on a 
Rivendell.  

dougP

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[RBW] Re: Clem H with drop bars?

[Jeremy Tavan]

OK, I went out for a 25-mile road/MUP/gravel trail ride this morning on the 
dirt drop Clem. 

I have no complaints about braking power with the non-aero levers plus Avid 
V-brakes. It DOES take more pull of the lever to get the "I have to stop 
immediately" level of brake force, but it does indeed get there. And I 
guess that means it's easily modulated. It's certainly a LOT more powerful 
than the reverse brake levers and Silver long-reach calipers on my commuter 
bike - that's very much a "speed reducer" setup, and not a "stopper" setup. 
As far as the Clem + dirt drop bar layout, it seems to work. The top of the 
bar gives a more-upright position than the old (long-reach) bullmoose bar, 
while the drops are significantly more aggressive and low/forward, but not 
excessively. I found it easier to control the bike over gravel with the 
dirt drop bar than the bullmoose - it felt a lot less like fighting wheel 
flop (counter-steering) and more like pointing where I wanted to go.  Not 
sure how I'd fare with a "standard" 90-110mm stem, but this is working OK 
so far.

After a few rides on them, I feel like the Schwalbe Big Ones (650Bx2.35) 
are just too much of a good thing. They're plush and comfortable and supple 
and fast-rolling, sure, but they're just too huge and I'm having trouble 
adapting to the steering geometry that results. Additionally, they puncture 
really, really easily - even the "SnakeSkin" version. Not sure what I'll 
try on the Clem next - Thunder Burts are not much smaller, but they do have 
the edge knobs to hopefully slide around less on loose dirt. Or maybe the 
Compass 650Bx48mm? 

/Jeremy

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>
> Old school non-areo levers do seem to pull a lot of cable so you may be 
> ok. In fact, you may have found the first brakes those things actually work 
> on: Dia-Compe non-aero levers with single-pivot sidepulls or centerpulls 
> are what can best be described as "speed reducers" ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, only willing to wager the cost of a roll of masking tape.

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> the pedals during the Little 500 at the end of Breaking Away.
>
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> it was not duct tape, but masking tape.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 110BCD 44t Chain Guard - Salsa Crossing Guard or that Sugino one

[Kieran J]

The Salsa one in black would be fine, actually.

KJ


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> Anyone have one of these items? Needs to be silver, 110mm BCD.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kieran
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[RBW] WTB: 110BCD 44t Chain Guard - Salsa Crossing Guard or that Sugino one

[Kieran J]

Anyone have one of these items? Needs to be silver, 110mm BCD.

Thanks!

Kieran
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Bill Lindsay]

Patrick Moore implied that duct tape was employed to attach Daves feet to the 
pedals during the Little 500 at the end of Breaking Away. 

Without checking , I will wager the cost of a pair of HoldFast straps that it 
was not duct tape, but masking tape.  

Bill Pedal Pedant Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

It let Dave Stoller win, but I expect more than Dave Stoller.

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[RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Garth]

   Duct tape will work !!!  It's the Xth wonder of the world you know 
..  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Just for the record, "cloaca" means, archaically, "sewer", avian or not.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> You're becoming a conceptual bird?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thems These And Those:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001
>>
>> (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's
>> official.)
>>
>> https://holdfastordie.com/
>>
>> 1. Have any of youse used these and those?
>>
>> 2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?
>>
>> 3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?
>>
>> 4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your
>> feet to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed
>> drivetrain; (b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under
>> high load, as on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a)
>> and (b) to MKS GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions
>> or pads or whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost
>> in my cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii)
>> which would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry
>> and exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?
>>
>> Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca"
>> Moore
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[RBW] Re: Richmond/El Cerrito RBW owners, hi!

[Joe Bernard]

The coffee ride isn't happening anymore..Kellie said no one was showing up. I 
confess to living in the area and it was much too early in the morning for me. 
I'm an afternoon plonker. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

A conceptually confused canary.

Ciao!

Catrick.

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>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thems These And Those:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001
>>
>> (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's
>> official.)
>>
>> https://holdfastordie.com/
>>
>> 1. Have any of youse used these and those?
>>
>> 2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?
>>
>> 3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?
>>
>> 4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your
>> feet to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed
>> drivetrain; (b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under
>> high load, as on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a)
>> and (b) to MKS GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions
>> or pads or whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost
>> in my cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii)
>> which would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry
>> and exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?
>>
>> Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca"
>> Moore
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[RBW] Re: Clem H with drop bars?

[Joe Bernard]

Old school non-areo levers do seem to pull a lot of cable so you may be ok. In 
fact, you may have found the first brakes those things actually work on: 
Dia-Compe non-aero levers with single-pivot sidepulls or centerpulls are what 
can best be described as "speed reducers" ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Deacon Patrick]

You're becoming a conceptual bird?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thems These And Those:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001
>
> (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's 
> official.)
>
> https://holdfastordie.com/
>
> 1. Have any of youse used these and those?
>
> 2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?
>
> 3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?
>
> 4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your feet 
> to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed drivetrain; 
> (b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under high load, as 
> on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a) and (b) to MKS 
> GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions or pads or 
> whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost in my 
> cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii) which 
> would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry and 
> exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?
>
> Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca" 
> Moore
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[RBW] Burrito Wrap (Was: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts)

[Patrick Moore]

Speaking of Holdfasts and such, apparently the company sells this:

https://holdfastordie.com/collections/packs-and-bags/products/canvas-tool-bag

Someone onlist not long ago was asking about the Rivendell Burrito Wrap.
This seems very similar.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thems These And Those:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001
>
> (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's
> official.)
>
> https://holdfastordie.com/
>
> 1. Have any of youse used these and those?
>
> 2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?
>
> 3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?
>
> 4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your feet
> to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed drivetrain;
> (b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under high load, as
> on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a) and (b) to MKS
> GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions or pads or
> whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost in my
> cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii) which
> would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry and
> exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?
>
> Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca"
> Moore
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[RBW] Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Thems These And Those:

https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001

(Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's
official.)

https://holdfastordie.com/

1. Have any of youse used these and those?

2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?

3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?

4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your feet
to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed drivetrain;
(b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under high load, as
on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a) and (b) to MKS
GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions or pads or
whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost in my
cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii) which
would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry and
exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?

Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca"
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[RBW] Clem H with drop bars?

[iamkeith]

Do a forum search using the terms "clem," "drop bar," and "zed martinez."  He 
gave it a good effort, chronicled his experience in detail and, i believe, 
ultimately decided against.  I think riv discourages the idea, too.  Top tube 
length is obviously the issue, and there could of course be exceptions. But 
even I, with my unusually long torso proportions, don't think i could make my 
clem work sucessfully with drops.

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[RBW] Clem H with drop bars?

[RichS]

Chris, I tried drops on the brief time I had a Clem H. Worked just okay but 
changed them out to Albatross with a dirt drop which was much more comfortable.

Best,
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Re: [RBW] SaddleSack Hack

[Patrick Moore]

Very clever, and glad you found a bike and had a good time -- and a free
ride to the airport!

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Sean Kline 
wrote:

> My recent trip to Minneapolis felt too short to bring by Sam. And because
> I made the mistake of buying a United Basic Economy ticket and wanted to
> avoid any luggage fees, I needed to bring as little as necessary to support
> my long weekend riding the Twin Cities' amazing bike trails. So, I had a
> local shop in San Francisco called Paloma (palomahayes.com) hack my large 
> Sackville
> SaddleSack to allow me to use as a backpack.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> Fully loaded, it was not the most comfortable backpack I've used (I'm now
> having Paloma put leather shoulder pads on the top of the straps to make it
> more comfortable), but it worked wonderfully for my journey on public
> transit to San Francisco Airport, convincing United it was just another
> carry-on backpack, and then commuting by light rail from the Minneapolis
> airport to an AirBnB near downtown. Once I got to my AirBnB, I took off the
> shoulder straps and zip tied the bag to a Nitto Big Back Rack on a borrowed
> Sam. Like coming home.
>
>
>
> Which brings me to the most remarkable part of my weekend riding the
> remarkable bike infrastructure of the Twin Cities. A couple of weeks before
> my trip, I put out a call to any Riv owners in or near Minneapolis to see
> if someone would be willing to rent me a 55-60 cm Riv for the weekend. In
> fact, a very kind Riv-riding soul dropped off his 55 cm blue Sam with
> Albatross bars to me at my AirBnB. Then he picked up his bike at the end of
> the weekend and drove me to the airport. I put the straps back on the
> Sackville and home I went.
>
>
> Grateful,
>
> Sean
>
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: I made an Instagram for stuff I'm selling.

[Cameron Sharp]

+ 1 for #650rivbob

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[RBW] SaddleSack Hack

[Max S]

Great bag hack & story. 

I think a couple of D-loops on a Medium or a Small saddle sack could allow for 
convenient carry with a shoulder strap, bag hanging "vertically"... Just might 
do that... 

- Max

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[RBW] SaddleSack Hack

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic all round!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Clem H with drop bars?

[Bill Lindsay]

Don't tell anyone, but my soon to start Riv Medium Mountain Mixte build will 
have drop bars. Roman's 54cm design has a top tube closer to 59cm. I'll be able 
to get away with a quite normal 9cm extension stem.  I also ran drop bars on my 
56cm Bombadil, which had a 60.5cm top tube. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] SaddleSack Hack

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE
APPROVE

and

APPROVE

BL in EC

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[RBW] SaddleSack Hack

[Sean Kline]

 

My recent trip to Minneapolis felt too short to bring by Sam. And because I 
made the mistake of buying a United Basic Economy ticket and wanted to 
avoid any luggage fees, I needed to bring as little as necessary to support 
my long weekend riding the Twin Cities' amazing bike trails. So, I had a 
local shop in San Francisco called Paloma (palomahayes.com) hack my large 
Sackville 
SaddleSack to allow me to use as a backpack.

 




Fully loaded, it was not the most comfortable backpack I've used (I'm now 
having Paloma put leather shoulder pads on the top of the straps to make it 
more comfortable), but it worked wonderfully for my journey on public 
transit to San Francisco Airport, convincing United it was just another 
carry-on backpack, and then commuting by light rail from the Minneapolis 
airport to an AirBnB near downtown. Once I got to my AirBnB, I took off the 
shoulder straps and zip tied the bag to a Nitto Big Back Rack on a borrowed 
Sam. Like coming home.

 

Which brings me to the most remarkable part of my weekend riding the 
remarkable bike infrastructure of the Twin Cities. A couple of weeks before 
my trip, I put out a call to any Riv owners in or near Minneapolis to see 
if someone would be willing to rent me a 55-60 cm Riv for the weekend. In 
fact, a very kind Riv-riding soul dropped off his 55 cm blue Sam with 
Albatross bars to me at my AirBnB. Then he picked up his bike at the end of 
the weekend and drove me to the airport. I put the straps back on the 
Sackville and home I went.


Grateful,

Sean

El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: OK to keep riding on this wheel, right?

[John Stowe]

Thanks Bill, the option of just replacing the shell hadn't occurred to me. 
I will ask White about it.

-John

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 3:06:17 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Given that history, that gets you into the very grey area of 'standing 
> behind one's product'.  I agree it shouldn't have broken, but it's hard to 
> define exactly what White Industries' financial obligation is to owner #2 
> and beyond.  
>
> White Industries does sell replacement hub shells.  New shell, new 
> bearings would get you to a practically as-new hub, for a lot less money 
> than a new one, but a lot more money than $0.  Plus if you have to pay 
> somebody to build you a new wheel, it's even more.  If it were me, that's 
> probably what I would do, and if I was doing that, I'd pay Mike Varley at 
> Black Mountain to do it, because of his expertise with White Industries 
> stuff.  
>
> If you don't want to deal with all that hassle, don't throw it out. 
>  Consider selling your broken hub, because some mechanic on this group 
> might want to make a nice "new" hub on the cheap.  
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:58:37 AM UTC-7, John Stowe wrote:
>>
>> Filling in from a couple of people's questions:
>>
>> I bought the wheel used off this list, so I don't have a retailer to go 
>> to, but it came to me with the original rim (Dyad) which had very little 
>> wear, and was clearly well-built because I never had to touch it until the 
>> brake track was worn out. It was replaced with the spokes in the same 
>> orientation. Spoke tension near, but certainly not over, Velocity's 
>> recommended max. I rode it for about 5,600 miles before this happened, so I 
>> doubt it had 8,000 total given the condition when I got it. Nobody manages 
>> to avoid every single impact from a surprise pothole or whatever, but I 
>> don't ride it on technical singletrack or jump off curbs - and even then I 
>> would expect a broken spoke or dented rim before the hub flange goes.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 1:37:31 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm also in the "36 holes is already overkill" camp. I'm 230 lbs. 
>>> On the other hand, I did just build up two used King hubs and reversed 
>>> the spoke angles from the previous build, and I don't expect them to fail, 
>>> either. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:46:03 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Two people recommended a higher spoke count.  

 I'll respectfully disagree with that advice.  One might be in better 
 shape going to a higher spoke count if they are breaking spokes.  That 
 failed hub flange broke between two spoke holes.  If you go to a higher 
 spoke count, that little chunk of material between any two spokes gets 
 even 
 smaller and even weaker.  It is true that a good experienced wheelbuilder 
 has a rule of thumb for spoke tension that they adjust as a function of 
 number of spokes.  Low spoke count wheels need higher tension and higher 
 spoke count wheels do not need as high a tension.  Even with that, I don't 
 see a clear hypothesis that the OP caused the broken hub by using too few 
 spokes.  I'd be more apt to argue the opposite.  32 spokes is plenty with 
 modern rims, and the hub flanges would be stronger with only 16 holes 
 drilled in each flange.  36 spokes is plenty for any normal single person 
 bike application. 

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 3:03:14 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I would press White a little more but maybe a higher spoke count is 
> the way to go
>
> Of course I'm assuming you  sent White the photo and told them how 
> long you had the wheel and what kind of load you're carrying as you told 
> us...and note that kiddies in trailers tend to get heavier...I hauled my 
> son around a lot in a trailer but not touring as you did. At any rate, 
> I'm 
> glad you found a reasonable replacement and carried on and had a great 
> tour 
>  in spite of this, and no one was hurt
>
> Anyway, I hope the story has a satisfactory ending
>
> One of the hallmarks of a  great  company is that they stand behind 
> their product. White hubs are pretty and  pretty spendy
>
> Please let us know what happens.
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>> I would go to 40 or 48 spokes for the next wheel. Why fool around 
>> trying to save a few grams on spokes. Replacing a wheel on tour is not 
>> worth it. Kind of like only carrying one water bottle to save weight in 
>> my 
>> mind. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Erl,
Thanks for sharing your trip photos and stories.
I grew up in Ohio and just love those old buildings and beautiful scenery. 
We don't have all those Rails- to- Trails out here.
Your Cheviot looks amazing.
Jon

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[RBW] Re: Richmond/El Cerrito RBW owners, hi!

[KC]

Don't live there, but love the area (our son does so we get to visit).  You 
should be hearing from Kellie.  She schedules a Saturday morning coffee 
meet-up that you should enjoy.  i definitely plan to go next time we are 
there, hopefully in Sept.  

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:11:03 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
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> Hey now, 
>
> Just moved over to the Richmond Annex from N. Berkeley and know there's at 
> least one bill lindsay over this-a-wayare there others? Would love to 
> learn of some fun rides on this side of that Albany hill
>
> Saw a fun looking Rosco Bubbe on san pablo recently
>
> Dave
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[RBW] Re: Clem H with drop bars?

[Jeremy Tavan]

I just mounted a dirt drop setup on my Clem H 52cm and will test it out on 
local gravel roads tomorrow morning, I think. I have a long torso, so it 
certainly doesn't seem too stretched out, but it's sure a lot more 
aggressive than the bullmoose bars that I took off! 

Question for folks: I'm using Dia Compe non-aero brake levers with V-brakes 
(Avid). It seems to have ample travel for full braking power, despite their 
being road levers not intended for linear pull. Am I going to kill myself 
somehow?

/Jeremy

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 7:15:06 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
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> Has anyone out there tried a Clem with drop bars? I know the TT is long 
> but wonder if a shorter stem could make it work. I'd be a 52cm and I think 
> the top tube is 61cm so it would be a very, very short stem. 
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> Thanks,
> Chris
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