Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Can you share links to forum posts recounting loss of tension with the ENO hub in low gears? Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

[RBW] SO or QB with 55cm TT c-c?

A 52? 54? What wheel sizes? Cantis? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

Re: [RBW] Banana Sax

Leah: how is the bicycle train doing. How many riders? On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Leah Peterson wrote: > 3rd grader that is.  > > And here are some photos to show what the Backabike bags carry. > > See orange backpack? That fits, and fits when it is stuffed more

[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Ah yes, that makes sense. Your Hunq is definitely subject to significant torque and having the chain tension fail under load, up a hill with a week's worth of groceries could be an unfortunate event. I see a third bike in the offing :) IanA -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

I'd leave the Hunq alone and just buy another single speed if poss. Remember: 'Once you haq you can't go baq!". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Home of the Brave

Fun Grant interview. Maybe you all have already heard this. http://homebrave.com/home-of-the-brave//the-bicycle-artist Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

True, Doug. Requires a larger bottom bracket shell, though. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Clem H Last Chance

Heh. She and I both ride 52cm - mine with some post showing, hers with it slammed. There is noticeable flex when mashing the L, but not the happy planing type of flex, like my Reynolds 531 lightweight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Tandems use an eccentric BB to allow tensioning the front chain. Would that work? dougP On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 6:17:30 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote: > > If the ENO is a no go then it seems like you have 3 options: > 1) “Magic” gear marching front and rear that gives you perfect

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

You got it, Justin. New dropouts is the option being explored. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Banana Sax

Bags are my Rivendell weakness. Some of your have multiple Rivs - I have one Riv and make up for it with an array of Sackville bags, ha! I even carry the gray Grabsack as my handbag, and it’s darling, I might add. The Backabike bags are my absolute favorite, Patrick Moore, and I think you can

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Has anyone else heard of the ENO eccentric shifting under load? I read a great deal about it some years ago when I was using them and heard nothing about this. A quick Google (vt) only turned up reports of the axle shifting in the dropouts. On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Justin, Oakland

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

If the ENO is a no go then it seems like you have 3 options: 1) “Magic” gear marching front and rear that gives you perfect chain length 2) Cut out dropouts and get something brazed in that will allow chain tenisioning. 3) cut out Bottom Bracket shell and get something brazed in that allows

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I'd love to see a geometry of the smaller sizes On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 5:32:00 PM UTC-6, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > Note to non-deacon Patrick about the singlespeeder: > Name: Frank Jones Sr. > Not for: 26-inch wheels! ha. > Upslope: 3-deg > New lug seat tube super boss > Custom

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

I'm impatiently waiting for the Frank Jones. If one of the smaller sizes fits me, I'm buying. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

I’m going to trust White Industries knows thier products better than I. Grin. No more research needed for me. Loosing chain tension is apparently fairly common for high-torque riders on the forums I researched, which is why I asked the question. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

Returning to the subject: One of the best fitting bikes I owned was a 1958 Herse with a 56 or 56 1/2 cm tt and a 60 cm st, that measurement being c-c. And long ago, 1989 or 1990, I got measured at REI for a bike by one of their pros (pro fitter, pro rider -- he was on their racing team) and he

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Perhaps you put out more torque than I do, but I never had a problem with my 2 ENOs when climbing hills in relatively high gears (again, 70" road, 63" off road). I think more research is in order here. On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Ian, I believe

[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Ian, I believe it is an issue with not holding chain tension under high torque. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > ... > Patrick, I’m all in for fixed. It is another level ahead in terms of brain > feel, and I’ll take all I can get. Definately not a seasonal change. > https://youtu.be/XnqJ41aDFfc?t=52 > I’m puzzling how to best go

[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Now, that is curious. What is it about the high torque that negates the option of the ENO on the Hunq? Is there a fear of snapping the right side drop out? I've never heard of the ENO causing such a problem. Curious in Canada, IanA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I'm not sure that my riding position qualifies as "upright" as being discussed in this thread but all of my bikes end up with the handlebars 7-8cm higher than my saddle and I consider my position to be upright. After years of discomfort, no matter what I tried, I accidently discovered that

[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Garth: The reason for the short stems on uprights is so I can sit bolt upright because leaning forward causes the pain on the sweep back areas of the upright bars. I am fine leaning on the tops of the Albatrii and Boscos, just like drops tops at any height. Its the swept back parts of bars

[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Count me as one who does not like upright bars as well. I have tried (Albatross, Mustache, MAP/Aherne, Jithensa, Riv Bull Moose, Nitto Straight bars, Nitto Risers) I get hand/palm pain very quickly. I use 46cm noodles, have been on the bike as long as 12hrs in one shot and had zero hand pain.

[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

So in England they would freewheel or fixed for which season and why? I don't understand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

That's why the Brits had rear wheels that allowed freewheel on one side and fixed on the other. Come winter they'd flip the wheel, remove derailleur, shorten chain and off into a Northwest European winter. Craig in a Southwest American winter in Tucson On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 5:09:09

[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Lum, 65” and 42” (freewheel is a bit higher at 68” and 46”). I have a 44t cog and I may have room for it (technically I do, but that may be only with smaller tires, which I’m not going to do). That would give me a 70” top gear. But I really don’t see the need for it. Patrick, I’m all in for

[RBW] Banana Sax

Me likey! Is it me or would one of these work especially well on the front of my Appaloosa with Chocomooses? I think it will be great there. These look really good. Gotta get one! Bill in Westchester, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Lum: I feel your pain. At least, I feel my pain, which seems to be similar to yours. I've owned at least 6 original design Moustache bars, and I've tried them on at least 8 bikes over the years; and while I really, really like the idea, I've never been able to get them nearly as comfortable as

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

A funny anecdote. (Well, funny to me, but probably very dreary to anyone else, but who cares.) When I had my 2 later customs made, Grant gently suggested 72* stas. For reasons I can't now remember, I insisted on 73* parallel, and Grant graciously accommodated my stubbornness. A few years later,

Re: [RBW] Banana Sax

That is nice! I've owned so many of the smaller Riv saddle wedges or bags, from the very original, crudely (by later standards) sewn, kitchen table bag (gave mine to my brother, but ought to get it back to keep if only as a worthy museum piece) through multiple Bananas, but this looks like a real

[RBW] Banana Sax

..are in, I love the name. I saw the brown one when I was there a couple days ago, it's gorgeous. https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-banana-sax?variant=649112584205 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

Re: [RBW] Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Patrick: "nother question: Is your switched to fixed simply a practical measure for very cold weather, so that you'll go back to freewheels in warmer weather, or are you enjoying the fixed-ness of riding fixed? People say that, riding a fixed wheel, they feel "more at one" with the bike. I've

Re: [RBW] Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Your Zen-trance talents must be far greater than mine; I didn't mind flats and uphills in a 60" gear, but downhills were so annoying I switched to a slightly higher geared freewheel. (I was not used to 175 mm cranks at the time, which probably exacerbated the feeling. Of course, my hills were

[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Just from your description of the sensations I can tell this is fitting issue, not necessarily a bar issue. It's all too easy and understandable to blame the bars themselves for a fitting and or frame/stem issue. From the pics Lum, the Albatross bars are wa high, too high for you. The

[RBW] Re: Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Patric, What inches are you using in your mountainous terrain? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Thanks for the reponses and input. I have tried upright twice now. Once with Albas on an oversized Sam, and once with Boscos on a 53 Bleriot, and Albas on a 55 Bleriot. I lasted a month with the Albas/Sam. I have had the Bleriot Bosco-ed for the better part of a year now.

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I think that's why I'm so comfortable on my '38 Bates with a 70 degree seat tube angle. Craig in Tucson On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 11:42:48 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as > have others, that sometimes you

Re: [RBW] Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Lum, gear on the low side (40-50”). Ride. Learn. Gear up. Ride. Learn. Switch back. Ride. Learn. Switch forth. Ride. Learn. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

What about recumbent bicycle? It puts you in a position in which it should (at least I think it should) remove the stress from arms and buttocks that a typical bicycle puts you in. It may not the coolest looking way of cycling but I think it should be an option for aging cyclist who can no

Re: [RBW] "Winter" clothing help

Thanks for confirming, Steve. Now I just need to determine which to get for my use in the PNW where it is cool and often wet in fall, winter, and spring. A read back through prior threads may help me there. My use will be general in addition to on the bicycle. A Glencoe DV may be the most

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam wheelset

I'm eager to see the Frank Jones on the Blug. Should be any day now? I hemmed and hawed and bought a 53 rosco road instead -- same thinking as you and the bob Jackson: 130mm spacing, can be single speeded or geared. But, again, the drawback of a 120 hub in a 130 frame is gear selection. If you

Re: [RBW] Fixed Gear Snow Ride

I can answer for myself: First, I started riding fixed relatively young -- 42, IIRC -- when my knees were strong, and perhaps got them used to it; and I gradually learned to stand for longish periods, which puts less strain on your knees. Also, I rarely ride longer than 30 miles at once. In

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Several people have described this experience on the list. I've found, as have others, that sometimes you relieve, not only your seat, but your shoulders, arms, and hands by moving the saddle back to get more of an angle between hip and pedals, and let your torso muscles hold more of your torso's

[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I always ride upright and I've found that if the saddle height is about even with the grips (or grips just a smidge higher), that is a sweet spot, assuming the grips are comfy and the saddle's broken in. Sometimes you see these setups depicted on the riv website/blug with the stem at max

[RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I agree. I bought a used Atlantis with Albastache bars with intention of changing out to drops immediately. Decided to give the Albastaches a chance. They started to grow on me but, many adjustments later, they stopped growing and I ditched them for drops. I gave the Albastaches nearly 1000

[RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I found the same thing when I shifted from albastache to albatross due to a shoulder injury. After trying out several different saddles, I found that a Brooks Flyer Special did the trick. It doesn't bounce a lot which is nice. Just enough to remove the discomfort. My only complaints are

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Well, yeah. 40 miles I imagine I might get fatigued a bit on uprights as well. But I've never done 40 miles on upright bars. For me, uprights have a naturally imposed range of about half that, and most of the trips are under 10 miles. I know there are folks on the list who ride exclusively on

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I was uncomfortable on upright bars until I traded up to a bigger frame. I'm not sure about all the mechanics of it but I kept trying to get my bars more up and closer to be more comfortable but getting the right balance is the important thing. Being balanced between saddle and bars. --

[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

They are true. Maybe 600 miles on rear, 400 on front, give or take. I've never really known how to evaluate braking surface, but I can send you photos if you pm me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Hi Steve, I do not know what set up will do that but maybe he should perform experiments on different drop bars or mustache type bars which have smaller drops than typical road drop bars. It is just a suggestion for him to explore. SOMAFAB has mustache type bars for him to explore that do not

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

On 12/09/2017 10:55 AM, lum gim fong wrote: Interesting you say 40 miles, Steve. It was at that distance that I noticed my hands getting massively fatigued (Sam/Albas/Tallux max height/max aft). And that was when riding solo at my own pace. Cork grips are hard as rocks. That's when I found

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

On 12/09/2017 11:29 AM, Lee Legrand wrote: Hi Lum, Have you thought about getting a set up that allows you to go from one extent to another?  Another way of saying is, can you get a bicycle setup in which you can ride upright for the most part and when you butt feet uncomfortable, you can

[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

Hey, Drew- What's the condition of the wheelset(braking surface, mileage,trueness)? Thanks Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Hi Lum, Have you thought about getting a set up that allows you to go from one extent to another? Another way of saying is, can you get a bicycle setup in which you can ride upright for the most part and when you butt feet uncomfortable, you can get down more to relieve the stress? Then you

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I have found a few things to be true: - Upright doesn’t have to mean Albatross bars at max height. I’m upright with my MAP bars which allow my wrists to bend somewhat similarly to hoods. - Saddles tend to need be differently shaped/positioned to ride in different postures. - Geometry of a bike

[RBW] FS: Schmidt Son 28/Phil Wood Wheelset, Edelux II Front Light

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Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

I concur with the comments here about upright being less comfortable than drops. I have drops on my two road bikes and uprights on my two MTB's - one has standard straight MTB bars, the other has "cow horn" bars. I had change up the saddle and bar heights just to get somewhere near

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Interesting you say 40 miles, Steve. It was at that distance that I noticed my hands getting massively fatigued (Sam/Albas/Tallux max height/max aft). And that was when riding solo at my own pace. Cork grips are hard as rocks. That's when I found that out. But I don't think it was really the

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

@listers: TW: "wifespeeds" refers to the joyful riding I do with my wife when she wants to go riding and I go along with her. We have spent many years riding together. Her average speed is about 10 miles an hour. So the term is just my playful way of referring to that riding experience.

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

On 12/09/2017 10:23 AM, lum gim fong wrote: So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without hand discomfort that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on drops. What I have found, in riding upright, is that the discomfort of the hands is reduced 75% and

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

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[RBW] Fixed Gear Snow Ride

My only concern for myself regarding trying fixed is hurting my knees by always trying to pedal too hard. Hilly where I live. I see it is even hillier where Patric lives. So how do you pedal up those long, tough hills without shooting meniscus out the sides, especially at our middle age? I

Re: [RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

Lum, I am another who only rides drops, my bikes have 48 Noodles. I set up an in town bike with North Road bars and never felt especially secure at any speed. Steve Plymouth, NH On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:23 AM lum gim fong wrote: > So I converted the Bleriot to upright so

[RBW] Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without hand discomfort that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on drops. What I have found, in riding upright, is that the discomfort of the hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was

[RBW] Fixed Gear Snow Ride

Best thing I've read and the best photographs Ive encountered this week! Well done as always! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] "Winter" clothing help

From what I can see on their web site, Hilltrek garments are all made of Ventile.  I have a Westwinds Ventile jacket. Ventile is tightly woven cotton.  It's got a hard, smooth finish that isn't either nappy or sticky. On 12/08/2017 10:53 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: I am thinking of getting my

[RBW] Re: Clem H Last Chance

Whoops. Lost a word. Should read "I have a 52 and I have *not* noticed any significant flex..." On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 6:16:04 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > > That's called "planing," dude, and you're supposed to love it. But > seriously, and curiously, what size is your wife's

[RBW] Re: Clem H Last Chance

That's called "planing," dude, and you're supposed to love it. But seriously, and curiously, what size is your wife's Clementine? I have a 52 and I have noticed any significant flex, and that would be an understatement. I do recall mention in the Clem literature of the slight flexing

[RBW] CHEVIOT For Me

Congrats! You'll love it! I've ridden mine about 2700 miles in the last year commuting and light touring. https://flic.kr/p/YKKibX And more photos:https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157665232090983 The blue color is quite nice. Joe, your custom red will be atunning! All the best,

[RBW] Fixed Gear Snow Ride

I'll admit I'm accurately pondering fixed after this description Patrick... I've only tried it once stone the block and didn't love it but your description of the climbing traction is intriguing. As always the pictures and story telling are excellent. If nothing else I'm theilen you've found