[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

Velocity dyad rims -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

These are nice. 23mm rims, decent hubs, not heavy: http://www.bikemania.biz/velocity-a23-road-wheelset.html On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:34:33 AM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > Anything I know about rims is probably rooted too far in the past to be > useful so I am curious about what

[RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

Ended up ordering a Monster Cross -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking opinions on 11 speed roadie setup

for those tempted, i am selling my shimano 105 11speed bits. see my for sale thread; -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking opinions on 11 speed roadie setup

All these opinions have helped me decide to stick with 2x8 gearing and just keep working on getting stronger. A good reminder that STI is a black box and is perfect until it's not... I plan to do audaxes so the bar end system should be considered a big plus, enough reason to forego the closer

[RBW] Re: Seeking opinions on 11 speed roadie setup

Hey Patrick, reread your post, I think you're right! Will try riding in a single gear and see how it feels again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Re: Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Or these, which are only 1100g:-) But you might need to sell a couple of body organs to purchase them: http://bike-ahead-composites.de/en/products/biturbo-rs/ On Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:04:32 UTC+11, Nick Payne wrote: > > Depends if you're talking rim or disc brake. For disc, you can get

[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

I've had good results with the wider HED Belgium rims. They aren't cheap, but they are lightish and strongish. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:34:33 AM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > Anything I know about rims is probably rooted too far in the past to be >

Re: [RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

Hmmm... It occurs to me I have a little used wheelset that has Pacenti PL23 rims (v2, black label, 36h, 700c). They are currently on an older Raleigh I built up but they could be repurposed (though the rear at least would need to be rebuilt with a different hub). That said, I don't know if

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

I'm using 2nd gen PL23 on my Riv now too, same tire size in Compass LoupLoup. Love these rims! A very noticeable difference in feeling to the prior Soma Weymouth that I had on the same hubs. The PL23 spin up much nicer, the Weymouths felt heavy and draggy. I wish I could say I was still 250,

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

I built a set of wheels for my Riv, with 36h Pacenti PL23 (the model the Brevet replaces). I usually run 40-45 psi in 650x38 Pari-Moto tires. I'm #250 and I don't ride gentle, and I've definitely hopped some curbs and ridden in the dirt. No dents in ~3 years and ~4000 miles. On Wed, Jan 17,

Re: [RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

Open Pros for mixed surface roads Uh, sure, if you like clanking pinned joints. I recommend something with a welded joint for this duty. The Pacenti Brevet is a nice rim and the esthetic goes well with a Rivendell. Weight is 455 grams, so not bleeding edge lightweight, but pretty light,

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

No bashin’ Just hoppin’ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Any decent wheel can hop a curb or take an urban pothole here or there, really (even lightweight 700c racing wheels). However, I suppose that ham-fisted curb BASHING (if that's what you're referring to) would be something else altogether, I guess. On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:23:19 PM

[RBW] Re: FS: Canti brake sets - Tektro, VO Grand Cru and Avid Shorty Ultimate

PM sent on the Avids (but that "groups" function seems flaky). I'm also interested in your final choice for the Appaloosa. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 12:48:31 PM UTC-8, Ash wrote: > > > Price drop: > > Tektro CR710 - $35 > VO Grand Cru Zeste - $60 > Avid Short

[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

I use Mavic Open Pros w/ 32/32 Ultegra Hubs (10 Speed) & 35mm-38mm Compass tire for thousands of trouble free miles. I am 6'1" and weigh 185. Wheels are 3 cross. On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:34:33 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote: > > Anything I know about rims is probably rooted too far in

[RBW] Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

Anything I know about rims is probably rooted too far in the past to be useful so I am curious about what people are doing and using. If one were to build up a relatively light and fast wheel set, rim brake, 700c, for 700x30-47mm tires, ~195-200lb rider with maybe 10-12 pounds of gear,

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

650b 130 or 135 Recreational road riding and commuting. Would like to spin up faster and see if there will be less sluggishness with a lighter set. Not that anything is wrong or sluggish about what I have now (GB 650b 36 spoke). I just decided that from now on that anytime I need to replace

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Also via Kirk P: *The rear hub is spaced for 130mm and is not currently convertable (I'll look into that), so I don't know how well that will work for 135mm spaced Rivendell frames, but it will work fine for the 132.5mm spaced, Rivendell frames. * jsk On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

I have a Sam and a 650 B and an older Waterford 2200. Maybe keep the Sam and buy a used Waterford with a 1” threaded headset and raise the bars. It’s certainly not a Riv. but it can be set up as a go fast bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

The OP didn't specify if he wanted or needed a 135mm OLD rear wheel, but I suspect many readers of this thread have 650B Rivendells, which are almost exclusively 135mm in back. I did not see whether that Pacenti page specifies rear OLD. Since it doesn't say, I'm assuming it's probably 130mm.

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Ever the gentleman, K/P replied quickly and gave his approval to repost his answers here: I asked: *Am particularly curious about the hubs, are they branded Pacenti? Or if not, who makes them (they're quite good looking!)? Great call on the 28H. Lastly, how would you rate the noise level of

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Thanks. I’ll give that a try when a big thaw finally arrives. > On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Tim Gavin wrote: > > VO recommends adding a couple drops of light oil to the pawls to quiet their > VO Grand Cru hub. > I noticed a very significant drop in pawl

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

VO recommends adding a couple drops of light oil to the pawls to quiet their VO Grand Cru hub. I noticed a very significant drop in pawl noise after application. Phil tenacious oil works great. Repeat ~quarterly for best results. On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 12:08 PM, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com>

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

If it weren't for modern sealants like Stan's and Orange Seal, I'd still be riding 60 mm Big Apples on dirt and Kojaks on pavement, with tubes. I must say that, while I think Compass has among the fastest riding tires out there, Schwalbe has gone at least as far with their lineup of tires that

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

My problem as well. I had Pacenti rims made into wheels locally and picked up classic style VO Gand Cru hubs for them. Beautiful but so noisy. People suggested I just keep peddling to stop the noise... > On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:15 PM, jeffrey kane wrote: > > I'm not bugged

[RBW] Re: Pics of your 59cm Clem L's

Wow I really love the look of this bike in black with black fenders and fat tires! Looks like a (better) dutch bike. Triggered memory of Constance Winters' post when she received her Clementine, calling it something like inexplicably magical. I wish she'd gotten around to writing a follow

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

To: Dan Stein From: Patrick Moore, who should be writing resjmes Date/Time: When he gets off work and opens up the list again Subject: Rivendell Rosco Roads Thanks. That's very interesting I'd be delighted to hear anyone compare actual riding experience of such roady roscos to the Legolas and the

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

There were a couple of Rosco versions. The Rosco Road which I have and is designed for drop bars and I've heard compared to the Legolas, and the Mixte which was more upright, and I think another one that was also upright if I recall but don't remember. Maybe I'm wrong on the the mixte, but there

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

Understood; it's not an epithet of reproach. Patrick Moore, who poses his Elk Pass tires this way, in ABQ, NM On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Similar to poser single speed (ride only one gear in the cassette) or > poser fixed (ride poser ss, but

[RBW] New Roadini or hang on to Sam

I have a Heron Touring, which is pretty close to the Sam, and a Rambouillet, which is similar to the Roadini. The Ram is noticably sportier feeling. I say buy the Roadini. However, building the Sam with lighter wheels is a good second best. Good luck with whatever you decide! Chris -- You

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

Similar to poser single speed (ride only one gear in the cassette) or poser fixed (ride poser ss, but with the pedals always engaged), poser tubless is putting the goop into the tube rather than going full on tubless. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

I didn't read up about it, but I thought the Rosco was more in the line of the Clem or whatever stout tubed upright bike replaced it. Is it really comparable to the Legolas? -- Not that it matters necessarily; as I said elsewhere, one of the "fastest" bikes I owned was a tank jettisoned by

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Aren't Big Apples great? I run 2"ers on my Ogre (with Jones bar and uncut steerer tube) sometimes as something different, and I gotta tell you that is one sweet bike. I was amazed at the difference (for the better) compared to the stock WTB Nanos, which aren't shabbyy actually. Sometimes I

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

'fast' is so subjective. and what is perceived as fast may not actually be 'fast' if you compare times, it just feels 'faster' (not that there's anything wrong with that). I do the same route all the time: about 2k feet of climbing (starting off with a 31-35 minute climb) and ~30 miles. I've done

Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

I have no plans to buy a Roadini, but the question is very interesting in a general way -- ie, what makes a bike fast, or at least, feel fast? For me, it's not "planing" -- or at least, I don't feel faster on, say, small-tube, 531 frames than on stouter Rivendell OS frames. If you remove tires and

[RBW] Re: Riv shipping, a new world record

I remember watching the video introducing the staff at Rivendell and being amazed most at the shipping department section! I used to help with shipping/receiving for out small family run business when I was in high school and can tell you we couldn't even come close to what Jenny and her crew

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

"Poser"? What do you mean by that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

I'm not bugged by the look --- my crankypants problem is that I can't stand noisy/buzzing hubs and the options to avoid them seem to only get slimmer and slimmer. I think I'll send Pacenti and e-mail and see what they say ... On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: >

[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

This does make for an interesting question... So the Roadini has slightly steeper (.5 degree, I believe) head and seat tube angles, the top tube is baseball-batted in diameter, but does anyone know what the wall thicknesses are? Not entirely indicative of sportiness, I know, but these stats are

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

William, I found poser tubless (goop in the tube) created hastle for me. Messy, fussy, and a rarely get tharn flats, just occational pinch flats (which I mostly avoid now) and 1-2x/year bigger gashes, which tubless can’t help with anyway. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

For people who have ridden one, is the roadini a fast* bike? Before I got practical I used to ride a lot of Italian race bikes from the 1970s and 1980s. I've had a great time on old Colnagos and Olmos, but now I'd just plain like the bars higher. That said, I think that the value proposition

[RBW] FS - Nitto Campee front rack

Sold -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Did you lose your Silver Roadeo?

Rene, Send me or call in the serial number. We may be able to trace it to that. Best to send --email, b/c we're outside today unloading a truck. Serial number is on the underside of the bb shell. Also, a photo. Thanks, man! gr...@rivbike.com On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 10:22:14 PM UTC-8,

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

If you don't care about tire and tube weight and ride quality, it won't help you much. I found that Big Apples, tubed, shrugged off most goatheads, especially on dirt. If you are likely to get large punctures, then sealant will cause problems because it will not seal them, and if in tubes, will

Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless Maintenance

I’ve been thinking about converting to tubeless as well (both my rims and tires are compatible) but have been scared away by their new-fangledness and reputation for being fussy. I already have pretty good luck with my tubes, very rarely a puncture flat but I have had pinch flats when running

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

That is a very light wheelset for conventional spokes and rims and hubs. My early 2000s 559/26" Ultegra wheelset was only 100 grams or so lighter (32 Revolution with alloy nipples, very light M14A rims, 8 speed Ultegra hubs) and that had the very significant saving of rims and spokes 1" shorter,

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

they look great. high flange for strength on 28h rims, but still drilled for weight savings. thats one hecka light wheelset On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote: > > Wowza, I doidn't know Pacenti was offering built wheel sets. I can give a > super-positive

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Thanks for chiming in, John. Yeah, I guess I should be scared of running them at to HIGH a pressure since that will likely encourage more flats given how thin the tires are. Nevertheless, I will just have to find the sweet spot. I'm really not that anxious about flatting while riding, since

Re: [RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Whether you get inch flats in my experience is almost, if not entirely, as much a matter of how you ride than what your pressure is. I rode 22 mm actual tires, quite supple -- these were the old Specialized 26 X "` Turbos, very nice except for width -- at 80/90 for years with rear loads up to 35

[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

Tom, I agree with Patrick. I ride Barlow ELs at about 40# which is close to what he’s suggesting Keven Moran, when he was at Riv, suggested I lower the pressure and showed me his bike to prove he ran them low. I tried it on an old mountain bike that had too narrow rims for the tires and it

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Not sure what they are either, but I dislike the look :/ On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote: > > Wowza, I doidn't know Pacenti was offering built wheel sets. I can give a > super-positive thumbs up to the Brevet rim ... but it's not clear to me > what hubs

[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

Sell the Sam, buy the Roadini. That is the sensible thing to do. I am trying to not buy things I don't need...would have been good advice 5 bikes ago On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:17:54 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > On the other similar thread, there was lots of advice to simply

Re: [RBW] Fixed n’ Frosty Winter Medley

Thanks. Your experience backs up mine that it's probably best to buy when you can measure and examine in person. On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne < lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, I just confirmed what I thought was a 24oz is really a 27oz > non-insulated

[RBW] Silver Downtube Shifters

This video shows you how to install silver shifters on the downtube shifter boss. https://youtu.be/JSdXdWQ4JeI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] FS: Canti brake sets - Tektro, VO Grand Cru and Avid Shorty Ultimate

Ash, What did you ending up using on your Appaloosa? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Silver Downtube Shifters

I moved my silver shifters from the bar end pods of my Albastache bars to a set of Paul thumbies on Albatross bars. Just required the adapter pieces (by Paul). Work great. I like them much more than the Sunrace thumbies. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Wowza, I doidn't know Pacenti was offering built wheel sets. I can give a super-positive thumbs up to the Brevet rim ... but it's not clear to me what hubs those are. Does anyone know? On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:06:01 AM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote: > > Probably something like this: > >

[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

On the other similar thread, there was lots of advice to simply strip down the Sam and make it sportier rather than go with a Roadini. I'm not in that camp when the rider already has an all purpose bike and is seeking light load rec and club riding. Sure, there is some overlap with all

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking opinions on 11 speed roadie setup

Patrick, I have Ultegra 11sp on my Roadeo. At 66yo I have little or no need for high gears but still enjoy close gears on the flats and rolling hills. I have a 48-34 crankset with an Ultegra 14-28 cassette. That's a straight block 14-21 with 23,25 and 28 cogs added. It's like having an older

[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

*I want this bike to be my relatively fast bike that I ride when I am looking to go out and get a quick ride for pure recreation and fitness. I may even be ambitious enough to go do a group ride with my old riding buddies from back in my racer wannabe days. Lately, the Roadini has been the

[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

Don't dink around. Get an Atlantis. On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 6:40:04 PM UTC-6, Broccoli Cog wrote: > > Hello friends, I'm looking to do a road bike build and I am having trouble > deciding between keeping the Sam Hillborne frameset that I already own or > go in an entirely different

[RBW] New Roadini or hang on to Sam

I love my Sam but it is the only bike I have so I swap wheelsets to partially achieve the range you’re seeking which is not as gratifying as having two Rivs. I also agree with John’s sentiments (and Bill’s). If you were to buy a Roadini, you would need to buy the parts. Buy the same light

Re: [RBW] Surly Dingle Cog Discontinued

Extra drag on a coaster brake? No. Big drag rebuilding the hub with two kinds of grease? Yes. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 2:05:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Thanks. 2 more questions: > > Did you feel any additional drag with the coaster brake edition? > >

[RBW] Re: Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

Depends if you're talking rim or disc brake. For disc, you can get NOX Composite wheels at around 1400g for the complete wheelset: http://www.noxcomposites.com/teocalli275. On Wednesday, 17 January 2018 13:26:58 UTC+11, lum gim fong wrote: > > Anyone know what that is these days? -- You