[RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[Preston Smith]

Hey Michael,

Not sure how useful this is for you as my experience is with the larger 700c 
versions, but... I ride a 63cm AHH, and have also put a bunch of miles on a 
63cm San Marcos that I built for my Dad. 

Even though they're both 63cm they fit really different. With the sloping top 
tube I barely straddle the San Marcos. 

Big difference in tire clearance. My Homer has 38mm tires with fenders, the 
Soma is maxed out at 35mm with out a fender ( at least with the Riv silver 
brakes).

They're built pretty differently. The Homer, with drop bars, front rack, dynamo 
hub and lightweight wheels and compass tires. The Soma is setup with albatross 
bars, and 32 schwalbes, and a basket.

Difference in ride? I'd say the Soma feels a little less lively than My Homer. 
I think the extra top tube stiffens the frame a bit, but skinnier tires might 
also be a factor. Handling feels lighter on the Soma. Maybe higher trail 
geometry? Not sure. 

Overall I'd say the Soma feels more like a paved road bike, vs the AHH with a 
little more "all road". Both bikes are a lot of fun, but couldn't imagine 
trading, mostly to to lack of tire and fender clearance on in the Soma.

-Preston Smith 
Olympia WA

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Re: [RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Patrick Moore]

That photo makes me want to get a Cheviot. Very nice!

About the Fly Pedals: I tried another version, also all aluminum, but with
blunt teeth that were meant to give you more grip. 2 problems: 1, the teeth
did not grip the vibram soles of boat shoes, and my feet slid all over -- I
was more secure wearing boat shoes to pedal on my M540s. 2, removing the
damned things when you wanted to wear mtb shoes was a pain; I had to use
channel locks if I didn't want to mess with retention spring force. I think
the M324s are the best solution for dual-type shoe riding -- they felt more
secure in boat shoes than the A530s.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:28 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> ...
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/38968449685/in/
> dateposted-public/
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[RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[Joe Bernard]

To your original question since the pool of riders of both bikes is basically 
nil: I've owned an AHH and it's WAY underpriced for how much 'lifetime bike' 
you get. You'll love it. 

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[RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Davey Two Shoes]

Ditch the double sided and go for regular spd mtb pedals and then get these!

https://www.flypedals.com

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[RBW] Upright bars--my Cheviot review

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm basically a drop bar guy, but I love my wife's Betty Foy, so I thought
it would be great to have a bike that I can just ride on with no fuss and I
have it pitlocked so I can take it to the grocery and not have to worry
about it getting stuff stolen too easily.

The bike doesn't really turn too quickly when you turn the handlebars, but
it has the Riv quickness in terms of responding to body weight shifts, so
while I don't think the bike is fast, it is responsive to me.

I set up the bike with Albastache bars and I put the brakes up front.  The
position feels similar to the drop bar position and I can tuck in when it's
windy.  The upright position towards the end of the bars is nice to have,
especially when I am just taking a relaxing ride with the kids.

I tried to ride with non-clipless pedals, but I live on the middle of a big
hill, and any direction you go, there are hills. I missed the power of the
clipless pedals when climbing, so I had to compromise and have the shimano
two sided pedals with one side spd and one side standard.

I don't care--yet--about having the mixte and easy mounting of the saddle,
but I'm sure I'll appreciate that as I get older!

The bike as shown below was expertly assembled by Mark at Riv, and with him
knowing how I ride, he setup the Cheviot just as I would like it.

I used a 7 cm stem, and I normally use a 9 cm stem for my drops.

Toshi


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[RBW] WTB/T: Liteskin Big Ones, 700C

[Patrick Moore]

If anyone has unwanted Liteskin versions (~450 gram model) 700C X 60 mm Big
Ones, I'm in the market. Any hassle with tire flop (my term) aside, they
certainly roll exquisitely well and certainly negotiate 1-2-3 inches of
sand better than the F Freds.

**Moderately** used examples welcome.

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[ted]

I removed the steel stay atachment hardware and covered the holes with tape on 
the inside surface.
I use a single stay for the front fender and two for the rear. The first time I 
converted a rear I only used 1 stay attached close to the tail of the fender. 
It worked fine for a while but eventually it cracked and failed at the brake 
bridge. I think that was caused by insufficient support of the long span from 
the brake bridge to the single stay. When I replaced the broken fender I added 
a second stay for more positive vertical support of the rear part of the fender.
For the front fender I move the fork mount to put more fender out front. I 
attach the front to a nitto marks or mini rack, and use one stay mounted about 
horizontal. Seems to be very stable. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic, Tom! Congratulations. May each ride bring a quick beam to your grin 
that lingers long after!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[Philip Williamson]

Congratulations! Welcome to the virtual Entmoot!

Philip (60cm green QB)
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 62 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[Patrick Moore]

You do know that list rules require posting of photos and build
descriptions within 1 (one) week of build?

Is this your first foray into fixed or ss riding? (Which sort of drivetrain
will you install?) If so, tell us how you like it.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 5:44 PM, tc  wrote:

> Bought group member Ben's!  He did a fantastic job wrapping, padding, and
> boxing the bike.  Thanks, Ben - can't wait to build'er up :)
>
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[RBW] Parts Bin Sale

[Bill Schairer]

How long are the stays on the VO original style rack?  Bottom of platform to 
center of mounting hole.

Bill

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[JohnS]

Hope you enjoy your QB as much as I do! 

Good luck and happy trails,
JohnS


On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 7:44:19 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Bought group member Ben's!  He did a fantastic job wrapping, padding, and 
> boxing the bike.  Thanks, Ben - can't wait to build'er up :)
>
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:35:45 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>>
>> Uh, for some reason it didn't occur to me to ask if anyone here has a 62 
>> Quickbeam (preference) or SimpleOne they'd like to sell.  Frame+fork, or 
>> complete.  Please let me know offline - thanks.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[tc]

Bought group member Ben's!  He did a fantastic job wrapping, padding, and 
boxing the bike.  Thanks, Ben - can't wait to build'er up :)

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:35:45 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Uh, for some reason it didn't occur to me to ask if anyone here has a 62 
> Quickbeam (preference) or SimpleOne they'd like to sell.  Frame+fork, or 
> complete.  Please let me know offline - thanks.
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rear V Brake Setup Help

[mikel66...@juno.com]

ed, you can shorten the rear brake housing by aiming the noodle downward to 
more directly meet the housing...less friction that way

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[RBW] Re: Frame lock installation - Clem

[Joe Bernard]

It's mostly for running into 7-Eleven real quick for a snack. If you're 
standing in line and see through the window that some fool is trying to pedal 
away with your bike, the comedy of the wheel not moving and the bike falling 
over gives you enough time to get out there and watch fool run away. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Joe Bernard]

Diego: The Paul instructions say to size with the small chainring putting the 
rear pulleys at vertical. I have a little more chain than that 'cause I bought 
a SRAM 8 chain and just tossed it on there without removing any links. This 
gives me a little more leeway to replace the bashguard with a 3rd larger 
chaining to convert to a 3×1 like Grant's Clem if I want. There's a loop I do 
around here that has a long sorta-downhill that isn't quite steep enough to 
cruise without pedaling - I slow down, pedal some more, slow down again - so I 
might add that top gear for it. If you're converting a bike with shorter 
chainstays I would recommend  using the Paul Melvin instructions. 

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[RBW] Parts Bin Sale

[Peter H]

 

Hi All, I changed out some parts on my Clem and have somethings I’d like to 
clear out, as well as some Riv-ish parts that I’d like to part with too.


All prices are shipped. DM for additional info if needed


Pictures in link 


https://photos.app.goo.gl/NkkgGJRwwgJGmEMC2


Shimano Altus Rear Derailleur& Claris Front Derailleur - $15


Nitto M12-Brand New/ Unused ( went with Marks Rack instead)  -$70

Shimano Bottom Bracket BBUN55 68MM- $10 or Free with any other item


Nitto Technomic Stem ( see pictures for dimensions etc ) - $40


Set of Friction Sunrace Thumb Shifters M90 8 Speed- $20


Set of Tektro Brake Levers- $15


Friction Sunrace Thumb Shifters M90- Free with any other item


Velo Orange Front Rack (Older Mode)l- $45


Nitto Bullmoose Bars ( Older Style )- $35


Jones Bar ( open, older style ) -$25

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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[John Hawrylak]

Ted

Did you remove the portion of the stay which is on the inside of the 
fender???   In my experience this steel strip causes the water to come the 
side of the fender above 15 mph when raining.

Did you keep the 2 stays on the front or only used the Al stay for the 
lower steel stay??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 3:58:52 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:

> I've replaced the original steel stays on sks longboards with al berthoud 
> stays. Works very well. Stiffer and lighter.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Dave Small]

Quick update:

dstein, the blog post you linked to resonated with me.  I, too, have fought 
a Bosco-high setup, deliberately going for an upright build that's not *too* 
upright so isn't sit-up-and-beg.  But the blog post's author finally 
realized that Grant knew more about bikes than *he* did, so gave the Boscos 
a try and loved 'em.  I didn't want to uninstall and then install bars on 
speculation that I'd react similarly, but I raised my stem to the minimum 
insertion point (about 2 inches) to get partially more Bosco-like and took 
it for a couple spins around the block.  Not far, mind you, but enough to 
know if I'd hate it.  I didn't---in fact, I might have even liked it a 
little.  Less pressure on my hands, which wouldn't be a big deal after only 
a couple of miles, but it suggests that the change was in the right 
direction.  Holding the grips I'm still 17% in Tweenerville, but I was 
there 72% before so again, the right direction.  And when I reached forward 
to hold the furthest-forward point of the bars, it felt good.  

The position is still unfamiliar to me, and I feel 8 feet tall in the 
saddle, but I can get used to that and adapt.  I'll take it for a longer 
ride when I get a chance---not tonight---and see how that works out.

By the way, I'm not planning to take this touring, and have plenty of other 
bikes to take for longer rides.  I'd like to be able to enjoy this for, 
say, a 13-mile ride which is the up-and-back distance of a local trail 
that's sometimes relaxing after work.  Or to the store, or just buzzing 
around the neighborhood for 8-10 miles.  The 24-mile ride was unplanned, 
but I extended my initial ride to see if I'd acclimate to a position that 
seemed awkward over the first 10 or so miles.  I didn't, and it got worse.  

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[RBW] Rear V Brake Setup Help

[nash5510]

Things to check that come to mind:

Return springs on brake arms could be too loose
Cable and housing could have drag in the system
Tighten the cable at pinch bolt 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Eric Norris]

I bought a bike from a fellow list member about two years ago that has 
“upright” Soma Oxford bars on it. I found the bike’s initial setup to be 
uncomfortable even for short-is rides, and ended up getting a longer stem that 
puts me in a position somewhere between “upright” and “road bike.” Summary: It 
wasn’t the bars, but the position … and it didn’t take very long at all to 
figure it out. Once I made a few changes, the bike became comfortable enough 
for a 400-mile tour down the California coast.

I can easily envision a setup with drop bars that would be just as 
uncomfortable (I’ve seen photos of many such bars-in-the-stratosphere bikes on 
this list).

To each his own, but I’ve found a more road-ish body position (leaning slightly 
forward) more comfortable than sitting straight up. And it’s not just the bars, 
but the combination of frame, bars, stem, and seat position that makes the 
difference.

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> On Jan 23, 2018, at 1:35 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never ridden an upright 40 miles. I use drop bars for that. I have 
> upright bars on the bicycles I use for scooting around town, shopping,riding 
> the tandem with my son, visiting friends. 

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't think giving your body a little time to acclimate to a certain 
piece of equipment  is equatable to selling someone a too-small frame. That 
said, if people are experiencing sharp or debilitating pain, as opposed to 
mild discomfort or a little initial soreness, I would never say keep on 
keepin' on--I assume we are all adults here. The OP wrote things like "It's 
okay, but I feel like I'm kinda caught between a forward lean and sitting 
upright, in a no-man's land of Tweenerville" and  "Nope, I thought, not 
fond of this." It wasn't until he went 25 miles, 10 over the plan, when his 
fingers went "kinda numb" and would not wave. Each comment was about a 
different ride with a different setup, bike and bars. My camp would say, 
stick with the tweenerville feeling for a few weeks and see what happens. I 
know, meh, right?

 I think in addition to not being concerned about weight or speed, not 
being oriented to counting the miles or hours in the saddle is part of the 
"make bikes fun" approach. I think the overall Rivendell view of bicycles 
does not necessarily incorporate long distances (long being a relative 
term, I know). I'm pretty sure I recall Grant writing that he does not do 
long rides. I'm guessing for the most part 15-25 mile rides, couple hours 
in the saddle. Please don't misread this as me saying Riv is against rando 
rides or doing centuries or charity centuries or what have you. Of course 
not. And they still carry a drop bar, and make bicycles optimized for them.

I've never ridden an upright 40 miles. I use drop bars for that. I have 
upright bars on the bicycles I use for scooting around town, 
shopping,riding the tandem with my son, visiting friends. Sometimes I'll 
take one a bit longer, especially if I am riding with someone who might be 
put off by a drop bar bicycle.  I don't do the kinds of distances required 
for completing a 1200km brevet, but I do like to do the occasional 50-60 
mile ride, and last year I did the 115k option at D2R2. Not that many years 
ago I would have only considered doing the 180k. And it's not being too 
old--I could handle that distance if required--but it's more fun to take my 
time and enjoy the ride. I also did it in sandals and flats. Old dog, new 
tricks. As I get to be an even older dog, maybe the range on the uprights 
will increase (right now I ride an upright every day, so the frequency is 
already higher.)

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 1:49:57 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Meh. If it continually causes pain, even after futzing around with the 
> different variables, how long are you supposed to "stick with it" before it 
> suddenly works? My motto: "If it don't fit, then you musta quit!"
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 1:03:17 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:oo 
> small bikes to people and telling them thier muscles will adjust
>>
>> Or the fourth camp, which says "Stick with one setup for a while. You 
>> might like it."
>> I will say I'm surprised at how many folks say they outright dislike 
>> upright bars. Again, count me grateful that my body is just not that 
>> challenged by various positions on a bicycle. Within limits, especially 
>> with non-competitive riding, I find the software often successfully 
>> reprograms itself to the hardware. 
>>
>> orks for me. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[ted]

I've replaced the original steel stays on sks longboards with al berthoud 
stays. Works very well. Stiffer and lighter.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/23/2018 11:53 AM, Dave Small wrote:
Thanks to everyone for the continued discussion.  My experimentation 
phase has waned, but it hasn't disappeared.  I also know what I like 
and what works for me---for now.  But my preferences have changed over 
the past 10 years, and are continuing to change.  I'm trying the 
anticipate my continued evolution, with mixed results.


I find this intriguing about all the responses:

One camp says "I tried uprights and loved 'em right away; they're the 
best!"  Probably not many fall into this camp, but I've read those 
testimonials.


Another says "I tried uprights and didn't like 'em at first, but then 
I found the right combination of handlebars/bar height/stem 
extension/bar angle/grips that worked for me, and now I love 'em!"


And a third camp says "Don't like 'em.  I tried this and that and 
other things---42 things in all---and I never found something that 
feels good."


It may be that the only thing separating the third camp from the 
second camp is the 43rd attempt, and the question becomes how 
motivated is that Third Camper to continue experimenting in the hope 
of becoming a Second Camper?  That person never knows that the next 
combination of factors won't work, he or she finally just gives up.


And honestly, what would motivate you to try those 43 different setups 
if drops already work for you?   What could you possibly be looking for?




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Re: [RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Steve Palincsar]

I've never had an upright bar that didn't make my hands numb by 40 
miles, and in most cases a lot quicker than that.   For short distances, 
maybe riding in suit jackets and slacks 3-speed Raleigh style, fine; but 
in my experience, not for sporting rides.



On 01/23/2018 01:03 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Or the fourth camp, which says "Stick with one setup for a while. You 
might like it."
I will say I'm surprised at how many folks say they outright dislike 
upright bars. Again, count me grateful that my body is just not that 
challenged by various positions on a bicycle. Within limits, 
especially with non-competitive riding, I find the software often 
successfully reprograms itself to the hardware.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Diego J. Garza]

Joe - that's a beautiful bike there! Love the 2x1 concept. I'd love to know 
how you went about sizing the chain for your setup. Was it based on bigger 
chain ring + the rear sprocket, assuming the tensioner would take care of 
the rest when shifting to smaller chainring? giving me some ideas with 
stuff in the parts bin 

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[adam leibow]

OJ!

On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I read more and more testimonials from people about how awesome their 
> switch was to upright handlebars, I wanted to try 'em.  I like drop bars as 
> long as they're saddle-height or higher, but there's a semi-conscious part 
> of me that feels the teensiest-bit compelled to push drop-bar bikes just a 
> little, and sometimes I want to just putz along and enjoy the scenery, and 
> not even consider my speed or trip time.  Plus, as I get older I thought 
> that uprights may be in my future anyway, so why not give 'em a shot now?
>
> So, I took a Velo-Orange Polyvalent and replaced the drop bars with 
> porteur bars.  It's okay, but I feel like I'm kinda caught between a 
> forward lean and sitting upright, in a no-man's land of Tweenerville.  So 
> maybe this isn't the right bike on which to test upright bars, I thought, 
> so I converted a V-O Campeur from drop bars to V-O Left Bank bars.  Nope, I 
> thought, not fond of this.  But those Albatross bars that everyone thinks 
> is the bees knees?---let's try *those* on the Campeur!  It was better, 
> and I thought it might actually be fine, but the more I rode it the less I 
> liked it, so I swapped the bars back to drop and was reminded of what a 
> great bike the Campeur is---with drops.  
>
> Maybe those are the wrong bikes for uprights, I though, so I bought a 
> Cheviot and set it up with Albatross bars, 'cause the Cheviot was 
> *designed* for Albatross bars and Albas are *the best*, right?  Right? 
>  Everyone says so, so it must be true.  As I was engaging in this 
> experiment I thought to myself that would be the Gold Standard of 
> Upright-Bar Setups, and if I don't like this then I must not like upright 
> bars---but meanwhile I was sure it'd be *good* because everyone says it 
> is.  
>
> I don't like it.  A couple of days ago I took it out for what I'd intended 
> to be a 13-mile trial ride to see how things went at that relatively short 
> distance, and ended up going 24 miles.  That's a typical ride for me on a 
> drop-bar bike, and know how I feel when I get home.  On the Cheviot I felt 
> slow and never quite comfortable in a upright position, with the most 
> natural feeling coming when I was stretched out (relatively speaking) and 
> holding onto the bends that are furtherest toward the front.  But that's 
> close to where the bends would be on a drop-bar bike, so in essence I was 
> mimicking the position I'd be in on such a bike, and wasn't comfortable in 
> the position in which the Albas were designed to put me.  Also, my hands 
> got kinda numb and didn't work well; toward the end of the ride I tried to 
> wave a car through an intersection ahead of me by waving my fingers, and 
> they wouldn't bend.  I went a longer distance than I'd initially planned to 
> on that ride because I thought maybe I needed more time or distance to 
> acclimate to the Albas, but instead of things feeling better they felt 
> worse as the ride progressed.  
>
> With that background, I have 2 questions for the group:
>
> 1.  Has anyone else experienced something similar and then fixed it, for 
> example by raising or lowering the bars or the angle of the bars or 
> changing the stem extension?  There was a recent thread that indicated not 
> everyone likes upright bars (which I read only after I'd built up the 
> Cheviot), but it didn't get to my specific question about whether someone 
> could convert from nonliker to liker of uprights by adjusting 'em.  
>
> 2.  Has anyone used drop bars on a Cheviot?  I know they're not designed 
> for drops, but given that I liked the extended position the best, I'm 
> thinking that drops might be more suitable for me than uprights.  And 
> follow-up question:  Would drops on a Cheviot make it essentially a mixte 
> Sam Hillborne but with longer chain stays?  I'm thinking yes, and I don't 
> need to duplicate the 2 Sams I already have.  
>
> Thanks in advance for any input on this.  I know I could continue to play 
> with set-ups and hope to stumble across a solution, but I'm tired of that 
> and about ready to give up on the Cheviot and am hoping to find a solution 
> more efficiently than trial and error, if one exists.  If I can't get to 
> liking the Cheviot then I'm gonna consider that I'm in the 
> don't-care-for-uprights camp, but first wanted to eliminate the possibility 
> that there's a simple solution I'm just not seeing.  
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[Tim Gavin]

Justin-

SKS Chromoplastic fenders are among the least constricting, because none of
their hardware is on the inside of the fender.  But yes, metal fenders are
thinner so they could be the least constricting--if you use "ideal"
hardware.

Many metal fenders have exposed nuts on the inside at the stays and/or fork
daruma, which eats up tire room.  This is why many recommend using Berthoud
stays on all metal fenders; the Berthoud hardware doesn't intrude as much.
That gives you the most *minimal* "traditional/full coverage" fender
solution.  But SKS Chromoplastics are dang close.

I have 3 bikes with SKS and one with Velo Orange fenders.  They're all
pretty good.  I have a set of Honjos waiting to replace the VO fenders, but
the VOs are still straight so I'm in no rush.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> in my experience the array of plastic fenders seem to be more constricting
> in clearance and tire size. It seems as if, as evidenced here in this
> thread, that aluminum fenders allow you to mount them closer to the frame
> with a profile that allows for greater tire size with adequate clearance.
> Whether that is because of material, thickness or hardware I don’t know -
> and it could be a case of multiple anecdotes not equalling data. But it
> seems as if to ensure maximum tire size you should use aluminum fenders.
>
> -J
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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Brian Campbell]

Meh. If it continually causes pain, even after futzing around with the 
different variables, how long are you supposed to "stick with it" before it 
suddenly works? My motto: "If it don't fit, then you musta quit!"

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 1:03:17 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:oo 
small bikes to people and telling them thier muscles will adjust
>
> Or the fourth camp, which says "Stick with one setup for a while. You 
> might like it."
> I will say I'm surprised at how many folks say they outright dislike 
> upright bars. Again, count me grateful that my body is just not that 
> challenged by various positions on a bicycle. Within limits, especially 
> with non-competitive riding, I find the software often successfully 
> reprograms itself to the hardware. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 11:53:19 AM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for the continued discussion.  My experimentation 
>> phase has waned, but it hasn't disappeared.  I also know what I like and 
>> what works for me---for now.  But my preferences have changed over the past 
>> 10 years, and are continuing to change.  I'm trying the anticipate my 
>> continued evolution, with mixed results.  
>>
>> I find this intriguing about all the responses:  
>>
>> One camp says "I tried uprights and loved 'em right away; they're the 
>> best!"  Probably not many fall into this camp, but I've read those 
>> testimonials.
>>
>> Another says "I tried uprights and didn't like 'em at first, but then I 
>> found the right combination of handlebars/bar height/stem extension/bar 
>> angle/grips that worked for me, and now I love 'em!"
>>
>> And a third camp says "Don't like 'em.  I tried this and that and other 
>> things---42 things in all---and I never found something that feels good."
>>
>> It may be that the only thing separating the third camp from the second 
>> camp is the 43rd attempt, and the question becomes how motivated is that 
>> Third Camper to continue experimenting in the hope of becoming a Second 
>> Camper?  That person never knows that the next combination of factors won't 
>> work, he or she finally just gives up.  
>>
>> When I think about why I care, I realize that I'm just curious---have 
>> been for a long time, and I've often acted on that curiosity by trying new 
>> things.  Lord knows I don't need to; I have more bikes that I can justify 
>> even to myself, much less my wife, and I love enough of them enough on 
>> every level that I don't need to follow any more strings.  I say I want 
>> to go the N-1 route, but then I continue to buy bikes I don't need---'cause 
>> I think they'll be great (and usually they are)---and I struggle to find 
>> ways to "save" bikes that don't seem to work well for me---such as the 
>> Cheviot---when I should be saying "oh well, nice try and I learned 
>> something."  
>>
>> So much for my inner workings.  Back to the Cheviot:  I took it for a 
>> short ride last night and simulated body positions that I'd expect from a 
>> longer stem and also from higher bars.  I'm gonna try those changes because 
>> they're easy to implement, and see if that helps.  I don't know why I want 
>> to like the Cheviot but I do, and I'll try a few more things but will stop 
>> well before #42.  I think.  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 11:19:08 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> My experimentation phase is waning. I know what I like and what works 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Patrick Moore]

Me too, except it's my left palm that goes numb anywhere except ramps and
hoods, though I can go further in the hooks without the numbness than I can
using non-drop bars.

But, that said, I do want eventually to try Albatrosses or somesuch with a
more upright position, on a frame with a sufficiently slack seat tube
angle. I don't see myself needing Albastaches or Bullmooses, since the
virtue of these is that they also allow a forward position, right? And for
that I use drops.

I use the original Moustache bar on my Hon Solo, because it allows more
compact folding than a drop bar, but I can't ride it for more than 12 miles
or so at a stretch without enough discomfort to make riding an annoyance
rather than a pleasure. Still it's a heck of a lot better than flipped and
trimmed North Road bars!


On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> I don't like upright bars. There, I said it! I have tried:
> Albatross/Dove/Moustache/Bullmoose/ GB All Rounders/MAP Aherne/ Flatbars/
> Riser Bars/Arced bars and trekking bars. All make my right palm numb.
> Sometimes in minutes and sometimes longer. Height reach have en effect but
> never eliminate it.
>

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Or the fourth camp, which says "Stick with one setup for a while. You might 
like it."
I will say I'm surprised at how many folks say they outright dislike 
upright bars. Again, count me grateful that my body is just not that 
challenged by various positions on a bicycle. Within limits, especially 
with non-competitive riding, I find the software often successfully 
reprograms itself to the hardware. 

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 11:53:19 AM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone for the continued discussion.  My experimentation phase 
> has waned, but it hasn't disappeared.  I also know what I like and what 
> works for me---for now.  But my preferences have changed over the past 10 
> years, and are continuing to change.  I'm trying the anticipate my 
> continued evolution, with mixed results.  
>
> I find this intriguing about all the responses:  
>
> One camp says "I tried uprights and loved 'em right away; they're the 
> best!"  Probably not many fall into this camp, but I've read those 
> testimonials.
>
> Another says "I tried uprights and didn't like 'em at first, but then I 
> found the right combination of handlebars/bar height/stem extension/bar 
> angle/grips that worked for me, and now I love 'em!"
>
> And a third camp says "Don't like 'em.  I tried this and that and other 
> things---42 things in all---and I never found something that feels good."
>
> It may be that the only thing separating the third camp from the second 
> camp is the 43rd attempt, and the question becomes how motivated is that 
> Third Camper to continue experimenting in the hope of becoming a Second 
> Camper?  That person never knows that the next combination of factors won't 
> work, he or she finally just gives up.  
>
> When I think about why I care, I realize that I'm just curious---have been 
> for a long time, and I've often acted on that curiosity by trying new 
> things.  Lord knows I don't need to; I have more bikes that I can justify 
> even to myself, much less my wife, and I love enough of them enough on 
> every level that I don't need to follow any more strings.  I say I want 
> to go the N-1 route, but then I continue to buy bikes I don't need---'cause 
> I think they'll be great (and usually they are)---and I struggle to find 
> ways to "save" bikes that don't seem to work well for me---such as the 
> Cheviot---when I should be saying "oh well, nice try and I learned 
> something."  
>
> So much for my inner workings.  Back to the Cheviot:  I took it for a 
> short ride last night and simulated body positions that I'd expect from a 
> longer stem and also from higher bars.  I'm gonna try those changes because 
> they're easy to implement, and see if that helps.  I don't know why I want 
> to like the Cheviot but I do, and I'll try a few more things but will stop 
> well before #42.  I think.  
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 11:19:08 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> My experimentation phase is waning. I know what I like and what works for 
>> me. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frame lock installation - Clem

[Tom Wyland]

Most of the time bikes are ridden away. Also most thieves in the US are 
likely unfamiliar with ring locks and may just be surprised enough to move 
on.

My lock has a plug-in cable that allows you to fix it to a rack or post. 
They make plug-in chains as well. My bike is also a really heavy Dutch Bike 
that wouldn't be all that easy to carry away.

Lastly, the rear wheel can't be removed from the bike without cutting the 
lock. The lock, even when disengaged from the seat stays, can't fit through 
the triangle.  So using a ring/frame lock with a U-lock protects your rear 
wheel from theft.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 12:42:27 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> How does this lock help secure the bike when the bike can still be lifted 
> by saddle  and rolled away or tossed into a pickup bed?

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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[Justin, Oakland]

in my experience the array of plastic fenders seem to be more constricting in 
clearance and tire size. It seems as if, as evidenced here in this thread, that 
aluminum fenders allow you to mount them closer to the frame with a profile 
that allows for greater tire size with adequate clearance. Whether that is 
because of material, thickness or hardware I don’t know - and it could be a 
case of multiple anecdotes not equalling data. But it seems as if to ensure 
maximum tire size you should use aluminum fenders. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Frame lock installation - Clem

[lum gim fong]

How does this lock help secure the bike when the bike can still be lifted by 
saddle  and rolled away or tossed into a pickup bed?

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[RBW] Re: Pivots and CR720s

[Ed Carolipio]

Just wanted to thank Jeremy for this detailed tip. Now I'm going to have 
experiment with my brakes...

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 8:06:01 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Yes, CR720's can have a little bit of play on the posts, as will many 
> cantilever brakes, and yes, generally higher-end brakes have closer 
> tolerances.  I once heard a story, probably from Paul Brodek on this list 
> or iBOB, about Charlie Cunningham. When he was licensing his Roller-Cam 
> brake (considered by many to be the ne plus ultra of rim brakes), he was 
> showing the SunTour engineers the proper installation procedure and got out 
> his jeweler's files to file down the brake posts on the frame so they fit 
> the bushings on his brakes just so.  The SunTour guys were looking askance 
> at each other because they could never imagine assemblers in the big 
> Japanese or Taiwanese factories doing the same thing.
>
> All that aside, in my experience the amount of play demonstrated by a 
> brake arm on the pivot isn't the primary cause of juddering or squealing.  
> Juddering is often associated with relatively flexible forks: as the fork 
> flexes back and forth under braking, it effectively changes the distance 
> from the housing stop (usually in the upper headset assembly) to the 
> straddle cable and thus varies the braking force up and down, producing the 
> juddering.  Many on this list and elsewhere have had good luck switching to 
> a fork-crown mounted housing stop like this to address juddering issues: 
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Tektro-Front-Cable-Hanger-Black/dp/B006GHDRYC
>
> Since this drastically reduces the distance between stop and straddle 
> cable, it reduces the variation in length associated with flex, and thus, 
> hopefully, the judder as well.  
>
> In my experience, if you are thinking about it anyways, adding a front 
> rack like a Mark's or Mini Front also stiffens up the fork around the 
> brakes and can reduce judder.  
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 7:19:13 AM UTC-8, Michael Cinibulk wrote:
>>
>> I have a first generation canti Sam and my CR720s wiggle quite s bit in 
>> the pivots, more so on the fork. With more than usual toe-in they perform 
>> just fine. Still as the toe-in lessens with pad wear the judder starts to 
>> reappear. Do others have this issue? Are the tolerances of the 720s just 
>> poor? Are other brakes better in this regard? I guess I could swap in the 
>> ‘90’s vintage Deore LX brakes on my tandem to check. I assume that brakes 
>> with built-in pivots like Paul’s would be an improvement in the regard. 
>> Comments? 
>>
>> Mike Cinibulk 
>> Bellbrook OH
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Joe Bernard]

My very specific reason for trying to make uprights work is I don't like the 
braking situation on drops. I'm too old a creaky to ride in the drops so all my 
braking is on the hoods, which feels unstable on steep descents. I like mtb 
levers I can get to. 

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[RBW] Re: OTT: 10 speed X Wide Low(2x)?

[akshay orthofeet]

I have diabetes, wide feet, and flat arches. This dilemma has put me on a 
lifelong quest for a truly comfortable shoe. My quest has ended at last ! 
Orthofeet  shoes are remarkable! After a full 
day on my feet, it's like I haven't even had shoes on! My feet have never 
been happier! 

On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 2:47:49 AM UTC+5:30, Coconutbill wrote:
>
> Im curious about whether anyone here has has experimented with a drive 
> train like this: 10 speed rear cassette (for instance 11-42), in 
> combination with a Sugino Wide Low crankset.
> The logical concern would be whether or not the chain would get stuck 
> between the rear cogs, as the Wide Low is meant for up to 9 speed. 
> Is it possible that with the correct gearing this could work? 
>

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[RBW] Smells like spring

[Andrew Huston]

Hi Tom, 
I’m just outside of Midland. Flat lands here, windy tho. I don’t have a Riv now 
but I’m considering my options and trying to be thoughtful this time around. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[David Stein]

This is a really interested and thorough review of someone who went through
something similar on a Clem Smith:
http://zedmartinez.com/2016/06/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/



On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Dave Small 
wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for the continued discussion.  My experimentation phase
> has waned, but it hasn't disappeared.  I also know what I like and what
> works for me---for now.  But my preferences have changed over the past 10
> years, and are continuing to change.  I'm trying the anticipate my
> continued evolution, with mixed results.
>
> I find this intriguing about all the responses:
>
> One camp says "I tried uprights and loved 'em right away; they're the
> best!"  Probably not many fall into this camp, but I've read those
> testimonials.
>
> Another says "I tried uprights and didn't like 'em at first, but then I
> found the right combination of handlebars/bar height/stem extension/bar
> angle/grips that worked for me, and now I love 'em!"
>
> And a third camp says "Don't like 'em.  I tried this and that and other
> things---42 things in all---and I never found something that feels good."
>
> It may be that the only thing separating the third camp from the second
> camp is the 43rd attempt, and the question becomes how motivated is that
> Third Camper to continue experimenting in the hope of becoming a Second
> Camper?  That person never knows that the next combination of factors won't
> work, he or she finally just gives up.
>
> When I think about why I care, I realize that I'm just curious---have been
> for a long time, and I've often acted on that curiosity by trying new
> things.  Lord knows I don't need to; I have more bikes that I can justify
> even to myself, much less my wife, and I love enough of them enough on
> every level that I don't need to follow any more strings.  I say I want
> to go the N-1 route, but then I continue to buy bikes I don't need---'cause
> I think they'll be great (and usually they are)---and I struggle to find
> ways to "save" bikes that don't seem to work well for me---such as the
> Cheviot---when I should be saying "oh well, nice try and I learned
> something."
>
> So much for my inner workings.  Back to the Cheviot:  I took it for a
> short ride last night and simulated body positions that I'd expect from a
> longer stem and also from higher bars.  I'm gonna try those changes because
> they're easy to implement, and see if that helps.  I don't know why I want
> to like the Cheviot but I do, and I'll try a few more things but will stop
> well before #42.  I think.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 11:19:08 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> My experimentation phase is waning. I know what I like and what works for
>> me.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[lum gim fong]

PS- previously had drops below saddle.

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Dave Small]

Thanks to everyone for the continued discussion.  My experimentation phase 
has waned, but it hasn't disappeared.  I also know what I like and what 
works for me---for now.  But my preferences have changed over the past 10 
years, and are continuing to change.  I'm trying the anticipate my 
continued evolution, with mixed results.  

I find this intriguing about all the responses:  

One camp says "I tried uprights and loved 'em right away; they're the 
best!"  Probably not many fall into this camp, but I've read those 
testimonials.

Another says "I tried uprights and didn't like 'em at first, but then I 
found the right combination of handlebars/bar height/stem extension/bar 
angle/grips that worked for me, and now I love 'em!"

And a third camp says "Don't like 'em.  I tried this and that and other 
things---42 things in all---and I never found something that feels good."

It may be that the only thing separating the third camp from the second 
camp is the 43rd attempt, and the question becomes how motivated is that 
Third Camper to continue experimenting in the hope of becoming a Second 
Camper?  That person never knows that the next combination of factors won't 
work, he or she finally just gives up.  

When I think about why I care, I realize that I'm just curious---have been 
for a long time, and I've often acted on that curiosity by trying new 
things.  Lord knows I don't need to; I have more bikes that I can justify 
even to myself, much less my wife, and I love enough of them enough on 
every level that I don't need to follow any more strings.  I say I want to 
go the N-1 route, but then I continue to buy bikes I don't need---'cause I 
think they'll be great (and usually they are)---and I struggle to find ways 
to "save" bikes that don't seem to work well for me---such as the 
Cheviot---when I should be saying "oh well, nice try and I learned 
something."  

So much for my inner workings.  Back to the Cheviot:  I took it for a short 
ride last night and simulated body positions that I'd expect from a longer 
stem and also from higher bars.  I'm gonna try those changes because 
they're easy to implement, and see if that helps.  I don't know why I want 
to like the Cheviot but I do, and I'll try a few more things but will stop 
well before #42.  I think.  


On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 11:19:08 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> My experimentation phase is waning. I know what I like and what works for 
> me. 
>

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Brian Campbell]

I don't like upright bars. There, I said it! I have tried: 
Albatross/Dove/Moustache/Bullmoose/ GB All Rounders/MAP Aherne/ Flatbars/ 
Riser Bars/Arced bars and trekking bars. All make my right palm numb. 
Sometimes in minutes and sometimes longer. Height reach have en effect but 
never eliminate it.

46cm Nitto Noodles on a 61cm AHH w/ a 9cm Nitto Pearll Stem and I have no 
issues. I did a 200k Brevet ( on the bike for about 12hrs) and had zero 
hand pain. Some things just don't work for some folks. 

You can make yourself use this set up but why would you? If you put a pair 
of shoes on and they didn't fit would you keep forcing yourself to wear 
them? Sell the bike and move on. 

Bike lists on the internet seem to draw a large number of people who like 
to tinker, experiment and record data. The idea of a "fitment mystery" that 
needs solving is almost as much fun as riding to many. I am not one of 
them. My experimentation phase is waning. I know what I like and what works 
for me. 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 3:16:13 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I read more and more testimonials from people about how awesome their 
> switch was to upright handlebars, I wanted to try 'em.  I like drop bars as 
> long as they're saddle-height or higher, but there's a semi-conscious part 
> of me that feels the teensiest-bit compelled to push drop-bar bikes just a 
> little, and sometimes I want to just putz along and enjoy the scenery, and 
> not even consider my speed or trip time.  Plus, as I get older I thought 
> that uprights may be in my future anyway, so why not give 'em a shot now?
>
> So, I took a Velo-Orange Polyvalent and replaced the drop bars with 
> porteur bars.  It's okay, but I feel like I'm kinda caught between a 
> forward lean and sitting upright, in a no-man's land of Tweenerville.  So 
> maybe this isn't the right bike on which to test upright bars, I thought, 
> so I converted a V-O Campeur from drop bars to V-O Left Bank bars.  Nope, I 
> thought, not fond of this.  But those Albatross bars that everyone thinks 
> is the bees knees?---let's try *those* on the Campeur!  It was better, 
> and I thought it might actually be fine, but the more I rode it the less I 
> liked it, so I swapped the bars back to drop and was reminded of what a 
> great bike the Campeur is---with drops.  
>
> Maybe those are the wrong bikes for uprights, I though, so I bought a 
> Cheviot and set it up with Albatross bars, 'cause the Cheviot was 
> *designed* for Albatross bars and Albas are *the best*, right?  Right? 
>  Everyone says so, so it must be true.  As I was engaging in this 
> experiment I thought to myself that would be the Gold Standard of 
> Upright-Bar Setups, and if I don't like this then I must not like upright 
> bars---but meanwhile I was sure it'd be *good* because everyone says it 
> is.  
>
> I don't like it.  A couple of days ago I took it out for what I'd intended 
> to be a 13-mile trial ride to see how things went at that relatively short 
> distance, and ended up going 24 miles.  That's a typical ride for me on a 
> drop-bar bike, and know how I feel when I get home.  On the Cheviot I felt 
> slow and never quite comfortable in a upright position, with the most 
> natural feeling coming when I was stretched out (relatively speaking) and 
> holding onto the bends that are furtherest toward the front.  But that's 
> close to where the bends would be on a drop-bar bike, so in essence I was 
> mimicking the position I'd be in on such a bike, and wasn't comfortable in 
> the position in which the Albas were designed to put me.  Also, my hands 
> got kinda numb and didn't work well; toward the end of the ride I tried to 
> wave a car through an intersection ahead of me by waving my fingers, and 
> they wouldn't bend.  I went a longer distance than I'd initially planned to 
> on that ride because I thought maybe I needed more time or distance to 
> acclimate to the Albas, but instead of things feeling better they felt 
> worse as the ride progressed.  
>
> With that background, I have 2 questions for the group:
>
> 1.  Has anyone else experienced something similar and then fixed it, for 
> example by raising or lowering the bars or the angle of the bars or 
> changing the stem extension?  There was a recent thread that indicated not 
> everyone likes upright bars (which I read only after I'd built up the 
> Cheviot), but it didn't get to my specific question about whether someone 
> could convert from nonliker to liker of uprights by adjusting 'em.  
>
> 2.  Has anyone used drop bars on a Cheviot?  I know they're not designed 
> for drops, but given that I liked the extended position the best, I'm 
> thinking that drops might be more suitable for me than uprights.  And 
> follow-up question:  Would drops on a Cheviot make it essentially a mixte 
> Sam Hillborne but with longer chain stays?  I'm thinking yes, and I don't 
> need to duplicate the 2 Sams I already have.  
>
> Thanks 

[RBW] Re: Pivots and CR720s

[Jeremy Till]

Yes, CR720's can have a little bit of play on the posts, as will many 
cantilever brakes, and yes, generally higher-end brakes have closer 
tolerances.  I once heard a story, probably from Paul Brodek on this list 
or iBOB, about Charlie Cunningham. When he was licensing his Roller-Cam 
brake (considered by many to be the ne plus ultra of rim brakes), he was 
showing the SunTour engineers the proper installation procedure and got out 
his jeweler's files to file down the brake posts on the frame so they fit 
the bushings on his brakes just so.  The SunTour guys were looking askance 
at each other because they could never imagine assemblers in the big 
Japanese or Taiwanese factories doing the same thing.

All that aside, in my experience the amount of play demonstrated by a brake 
arm on the pivot isn't the primary cause of juddering or squealing.  
Juddering is often associated with relatively flexible forks: as the fork 
flexes back and forth under braking, it effectively changes the distance 
from the housing stop (usually in the upper headset assembly) to the 
straddle cable and thus varies the braking force up and down, producing the 
juddering.  Many on this list and elsewhere have had good luck switching to 
a fork-crown mounted housing stop like this to address juddering issues: 

https://www.amazon.com/Tektro-Front-Cable-Hanger-Black/dp/B006GHDRYC

Since this drastically reduces the distance between stop and straddle 
cable, it reduces the variation in length associated with flex, and thus, 
hopefully, the judder as well.  

In my experience, if you are thinking about it anyways, adding a front rack 
like a Mark's or Mini Front also stiffens up the fork around the brakes and 
can reduce judder.  

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 7:19:13 AM UTC-8, Michael Cinibulk wrote:
>
> I have a first generation canti Sam and my CR720s wiggle quite s bit in 
> the pivots, more so on the fork. With more than usual toe-in they perform 
> just fine. Still as the toe-in lessens with pad wear the judder starts to 
> reappear. Do others have this issue? Are the tolerances of the 720s just 
> poor? Are other brakes better in this regard? I guess I could swap in the 
> ‘90’s vintage Deore LX brakes on my tandem to check. I assume that brakes 
> with built-in pivots like Paul’s would be an improvement in the regard. 
> Comments? 
>
> Mike Cinibulk 
> Bellbrook OH

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[RBW] Pivots and CR720s

[Michael Cinibulk]

I have a first generation canti Sam and my CR720s wiggle quite s bit in the 
pivots, more so on the fork. With more than usual toe-in they perform just 
fine. Still as the toe-in lessens with pad wear the judder starts to reappear. 
Do others have this issue? Are the tolerances of the 720s just poor? Are other 
brakes better in this regard? I guess I could swap in the ‘90’s vintage Deore 
LX brakes on my tandem to check. I assume that brakes with built-in pivots like 
Paul’s would be an improvement in the regard. Comments?

Mike Cinibulk 
Bellbrook OH

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Lester Lammers wrote:* However, we are all different and upright bars may 
never work for you.*

Well maybe. But, imagine if we lived in a parallel universe, one that was 
exactly the same as ours, except drop bars had never been invented.

Muscle memory combined with mental attitude (I'm enjoying the scenery. I'm 
enjoying the sce--Hey, that guy just passed me. Gotta crank it...) is not 
always so easily shifted. I gave myself 100 days to get used to the Boscos 
that came with my Clementine. Took less than that, but 100 days is what my 
tai chi teacher believed it took to develop new habits. I didn't have the 
luxury on the Boscomoose bars, but with unmoosed bars the easiest thing to 
fiddle with is the angle. Perhaps try slightly less of a downward slope.

I am blessed in that I can get comfy on just about any bars eventually, but 
of course frame angles, stem length, bar position, etc. can all make that 
more or less optimal.

The barman says, “We don’t serve time travelers in here.” A time traveler 
walks into a bar. Two men walk into a bar. You’d think at least one of them 
would have ducked.  “Poor Old fool,” thought the well-dressed gentleman as 
he watched an old man fish in a puddle outside a pub. So he invited the old 
man inside for a drink. As they sipped their whiskeys, the gentleman 
thought he’d humor the old man and asked, “So how many have you caught 
today?” The old man replied, “You’re the eighth.”A man walks into a bar 
with a chunk of asphalt under one arm. The man says, “Beer, please, and one 
for the road.”A man walks into a bar with a chunk of asphalt under one arm. 
The man says, “Beer, please, and one for the road.” A grasshopper hops into 
a bar. The bartender says, “You’re quite a celebrity around here. We’ve 
even got a drink named after you.” The grasshopper says, “You’ve got a 
drink named Steve?” A dog goes into a bar and orders a martini. The 
bartender says, “You don’t see a dog in here drinking a martini very 
often.” The dog says, “At these prices, I’m not surprised.” Several fonts 
walk into a bar. “Get out of here!” shouts


>
>
>
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[RBW] WTB: Riv MUSA Rain Pants / size small (the orange ones)

[jeffrey kane]

HI all,

I'm looking for a pair of the old Riv MUSA Rain Pants / size small (the 
orange ones) ... mine haven't really been good for rain for years now but I 
love them as a wind and filth barrier for winter commuting. That said, I've 
nearly worn them to tatters and are wondering is anyone has an old pair 
sitting around not getting any use.

lmk/jsk

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[RBW] Re: Frame lock installation - Clem

[Tom Wyland]

I have the Abus lock on my dutch bike and it clears 2" wide tires but a 
wide margin. Here's the lock description: 
LOCK ABS FRAME AMPARO 4850LH F/FIXED SCREW MOUNTSOn Monday, January 22, 
2018 at 9:53:50 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Just need to file a little. Mine was a slightly different model of AXA, - 
> Defender I believe. I also got the plug-in chain which is a wonderful thing.
>
> Laing
>
> On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 8:08:33 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
>> OK ... looks like I need to get a rat tail file. There doesn't seem to be 
>> all that much material available to file away without getting into the case 
>> itself. Did you have to take a little of the case material too? Did you 
>> disassemble the lock to file it or were you able to get at it by just 
>> removing the trim ring?
>>
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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[Tim Gavin]

Michael-

I'm not sure that the 650b San Marcos can clear a 42 mm tire plus fenders.
I got my (ex) gf a 51 San Marcos, and 650 x 38 plus SKS P45 fenders was a
very tight fit.  42 mm tires would have rubbed the fenders for sure, and
maybe the chain stays.
She rode it for a couple years, but ended up selling it and building a 650b
Surly Straggler.  It fits 47 mm WTB Horizons under 52 mm VO Zeppelin
fenders.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Michael in SF <
michaeljoshualuc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> RBW Bunch,
>
> 2018 may be the year I put down a deposit on an A. Homer Hilsen.
>
> Has anyone logged enough miles on both an AHH and a Soma San Marcos to
> comment on how the frames compare? i.e. functional/practical overlap,
> handling differences, weight, preference for one over the other given one's
> usage(s), etc.
>
> And to small/medium (~ 54 cm) AHH owners in particular: any luck fitting
> 650bx42 slicks under fenders with reasonable clearance?
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] A. Homer Hilsen / San Marcos

[David Hays]

I’m running 42mm Hetres on my 56 AHH under VO Zeppelin fenders.


> On Jan 22, 2018, at 11:43 PM, ted  wrote:
> 
> I've had ~41mm soma gr tires under 45 sks longboards on my 56 AHH. Clearance 
> was tight but sufficient for me, however I've decided I prefer 38mm tires. 
> Makes it all easier vs just barely with the 40+ tires, and I doubt I could 
> tell the ride of 38 and 42 tires apart.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter tires - studded

[Peter White]

The 650b A10 tires should be here around January 31.
PJW

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Bob B  wrote:

> But there are those days, when you're riding home from work after dark,
>> and it's been a bit above freezing with the sun out, and the snow banks on
>> each side of the road were in melt mode for several hours, and now the
>> temperature is 29, it's an hour after sundown, and all of that water has
>> frozen, and your lights don't clearly show the difference between clear
>> pavement and icy pavement, yup, those are the days when your ride home is
>> very slow.
>>
>
> Yep, that's exactly why I ordered a pair of the A10s from you last month,
> Peter! Too bad about the shipping delay from the manufacturer. Excited to
> get them. On my Velocity Synergies it looks like they'll measure pretty
> much the same as my Marathons, which I use otherwise throughout the year on
> my commuter.
>
> Bob
> Brooklyn, NY
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[RBW] Re: Frame Pump for a 59-60cm gap?

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On 68cm frames with a long top tube(Bridgestone 400), I have strapped a 
Zefal HPX to the seat stay. Works well and stays put.

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 10:13:53 PM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>
> Snagged a XL Topeak Road Master Blaster on ebay for $20.  Someday a 
> Silca...
>
> Thanks y'all
>
>
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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Lester Lammers]

Don't give up yet Dave but don't expect the Cheviot to be a road bike. I 
was going to throw in the towel until I got the cockpit right for me the 
set up is much different than any road bike I have had. The new 
Cheviot geometry/design is different from the Foy/Gomez and Mountain mixte. 
More laid back and forgiving. However, we are all different and upright 
bars may never work for you.


On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:

> Thanks, Bill.  I won't be afraid to conclude that I prefer drop bars, but 
> want to be sure I'm evaluating the uprights properly and thoroughly, 
> because if I conclude they're not for me then I'm never gonna try them 
> again.  I started down this trail because I'd considered the Cheviot to be 
> my eventual old-man bike, and wanted to know if would be suitable for that. 
>  Variables can be confounded so I might think Thing A is the problem when 
> it's really Thing B, but which affects Thing A and is misleading me.  I 
> tend to overthink things like that, and want to be sure that any conclusion 
> about the unsuitability of uprights for my riding is justified, but if it 
> ends up there then so be it.  
>
> Dave
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 12:19:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Don't be afraid to conclude that you just prefer drop bars. I run my 
>> Rosco Bubbe step through with drop bars and I like it very much. I think a 
>> Cheviut with drop bars could be a really slick setup.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>  
>>
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[RBW] “The Man” Club

[Garth]

(Smiling  
 yes  that "or something" . says and does and IS "everything"  !!! 

☺  Ahahahahaahaahahahaahahah  ☺

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[RBW] Smells like spring

[Palmer]

Hello Andrew,
Felt the same to me in Twin Lake near Muskegon. 3 rides in 4 days on 3 
different bikes and already changed setup on one. Hoping an early spring, 
supposed to be above freezing this weekend again. Where are you?
Tom Palmer

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[RBW] 650b Nokians on the way at last

[Peter White]

We expect to receive our shipment of Nokian/Suomi A10 650b x 40 tires on or
about January 31. We will be receiving 40 of these. Awfully late in the
season but at least we'll have some available next winter. ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Rear V Brake Setup Help

[Peter White]

Is the cable braided? Braided brake cable stretches like Silly Putty.

Peter White

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:46 PM, Conway Bennett <
captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> It's 50 in Chicago in January which means it'll be 40 in June but in any
> case the weather made the wife want to ride her new Rosco Mixte but I
> hadnt't setup brakes or shifting yet which leads me to this:
>
> I have the sunrace levers and deore v brakes Riv sells.  I bought them new
> for this build.  I setup the front no problem but on the rear set up, the
> lever has some play before the brake engage and after the brakes do engage
> the first time after setup then there's lots of slack in the brake cable
> almost as if the housing wants to pop out of the barrel adjuster at the
> lever.  I've setup lots of v and can't I brakes bit I'm stumped.
>
> Any and all feedback is appreciated.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway
> www.ChicaGoByBoat.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: “The Man” Club

[ascpgh]

Agree to that. 

Rain turning to snow this evening, it'll be a nice commute.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:34:16 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The human powered gym is the only gym, and to not use human power to get 
> to the gym is to defeat the purpose of the gym. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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