Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 52 Clem L, possibly 55 Cheviot or canti-Sam

[Dan McNamara]

I have a 54.5 Rosco Bubbe “mountain Mixtec” that I may never build up. Let me 
know if that is of any interest and we can discuss

Currently F/F/HS/BB/SP and I do have a wheel set (Shimano Dyno) as well as 
chocolate norm handlebars. And the rest of the kit to build it out. 

Feel free to PM me to discuss. 

Dan

Marin, CA

> On Oct 10, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Adam Leibow  wrote:
> 
> oof brutal - sorry to hear that!
> 
>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>> I'm looking for F/F/HS, complete, or anything in between. Shipping to 98052.
>> 
>> Slight preference for the Clem L since the price point makes goodies like 
>> dynamo lighting more accessible. Still, any of these three would be 
>> terrific, for slightly different reasons that I'd weight equally.
>> 
>> Thanks, all, for the great collective input on frame choices!
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[RBW] Re: PURPLE RIV IN BICYCLE QUARTERLY

[Mark Schneider]

Awesome, I live vicariously lately through her pics on Flickr and Instagram.

Mark

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:25:59 PM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman,central 
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> The world famous Purple Riv and her owner have been featured on page 89 of 
> the latest issue of Bicycle Quarterly.
> What a great ambassador to the Rivendell community.
> Way to go Ana.
> Jon 
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[RBW] Rivendell Jersey

[Joe Bernard]

The OP made one jersey with a bike name that's also a mountain climbing company 
name, both of which are derived from an old book. I don't know how y'all got 
wrapped up in group orders and copyright infringement. He didn't mention doing 
a run of them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Patrick Moore]

It's not hard; I learned to do it successfully without really paying much
attention or trying very hard. I did manage to "blank up" a wheel or two,
creating a very small (I repeat: very small; it made no practical
difference in the feel of the wheel while riding) hop where none had
existed before, but even those failures were minor; *and*, even in those
cases, I got the wheels laterally true.

No need to buy equipment; just use your left thumbnail, hand clenched about
stay or caliper (as I did, successfully I might add for many more wheels
than I failed at), or sure, the brake pad/caliper; comes to the same in the
end. The virtue of the thumbnail is that you add touch to the senses
(sight, certainly; what else? Hearing? Smell? Taste?) informing you of the
"true" versus "out of true" situation. Note that touch is a very useful
sense to have.

FWIW, I taught myself, with positively no prior study -- no teaching, no
watching, no reading, no video. So I think that a couple of wheels with
very minor hop divided by the whole lotta wheels sans problemo is a decent
record.

IME, the hardest thing is learning how to distinguish the tightening
direction from the loosening direction when the spoke nipple is upside down.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:33 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Thanks for the info!
> Sounds tricky the more I research it.
> Some online vids make it look easy, but then some introduce deeper stuff
> like radial truing after lateral truing, then back and forth til wheel
> aligned both ways.
> Then measuring that the rim is centered over the hub properly. And these
> are just truing vids. I can’t imagine building a wheel.
>
> I think if all it really takes is adjusting a spoke or three for lateral
> blips I could do it, as long as I would not be throwing off the radial
> truing and hub centering.
>
> Any more than that sounds like learning to play a musical instrument or
> something very involved like that. I will have to research more before I
> felt confident enough to do it.
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[RBW] Rivendell Jersey

[bo richardson]

Alex singer bike shop has very nice jerseys with front buttoned pockets.
i bought one.
when i got it in front of a good mirrror
the buttons looked like i had nipple enhancement surgery.
i had the buttons taken off and the buttonholes sewn to the body of the jersey

they have french racing blue and red.

FRB almost matches my ram

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[RBW] How’s your original Rambouillet paint holding up?

[bo richardson]

my blue paint is holding up fine
but because of theft fears and my good little bridgestone cb1
it gets babied.
our bikes are french racing blue

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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Joe Bernard]

Like I said, I just do the 3-or-4 spokes to iron out a wobbly spot. If the hole 
wheel needs work, I pay people who do that stuff. 

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[RBW] How’s your original Rambouillet paint holding up?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Mine is starting to lift/peel on seat tube. Some came off seatstays inside. 
Cracking off on dropout eyelets. Blue Ram.
Was wondering how many years others are getting from theirs.
I know use/climate matters.

I am third owner and it was guesstimated to have 1200 miles on it when I got it 
in 2016.

It has been babied on roads-only rides and one winter season fendered.

Also, what is that paint called if I get a repaint one day? I love the color.

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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Lum Gim Fong]

Thanks for the info!
Sounds tricky the more I research it.
Some online vids make it look easy, but then some introduce deeper stuff like 
radial truing after lateral truing, then back and forth til wheel aligned both 
ways.
Then measuring that the rim is centered over the hub properly. And these are 
just truing vids. I can’t imagine building a wheel.

I think if all it really takes is adjusting a spoke or three for lateral blips 
I could do it, as long as I would not be throwing off the radial truing and hub 
centering.

Any more than that sounds like learning to play a musical instrument or 
something very involved like that. I will have to research more before I felt 
confident enough to do it.

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[RBW] Re: My wife's request for a bike tour

[dougP]

In that case no worries, your kids have already ridden the scariest part of 
the ride.  Once you're across the Naples Bridge, you're home free.  

When you said you were finishing in OC, I figured there must be a 
connection.  

dougP

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>
> Thanks for the info, Doug.  I appreciate all the time you took with this.  
> I'm from the OC myself and as soon as I hit Seal Beach I have a lots of old 
> tricks up my sleeve.  My mom is in Aliso Viejo so that's our final stop.  
> I've done the ride from LAX with the kids when they were much younger and 
> it was cool.  I enjoyed the strange looks we got with these little kids on 
> touring bikes!  I'm worried about the hills with my daughter, but I'll have 
> to just see how she does!  I have the the book you mentioned.  My book is 
> pretty vintage, however.  I think they've put up new stuff since mine was 
> published.
>
> On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 8:52:54 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Kip:
>>
>> A complimentary resource to the ACA maps is Bicycling the Pacific Coast 
>> by Vicki Spring & Tom Kirkendell (The Mountaineers Books, Seattle).  The 
>> commentaries are more detailed and the route is essentially the same: take 
>> Hwy 1 south.  
>>
>> Something to think about:  crossing LA on a bicycle is a bit tedious, to 
>> say the least.  I grew up in LA and have lived with heavy traffic all my 
>> life.  For ease of navigation, most published routes across LA stick to the 
>> Pacific Coast Bike Route, aka SR 1, for the most part.  Study this area 
>> carefully as there are more pleasant alternates with some minor 
>> adjustments, sometimes just being a couple of blocks off SR 1 (commonly 
>> referred to as PCH in the area).  
>>
>> There is no camping between Malibu State Park (north of LA) and Doheny SP 
>> (southern OC).  There is a new hostel in San Pedro called the South Bay 
>> Hostel.  Of course, if you can get Warm Showers across this stretch that's 
>> the best solution.  
>>
>> One caution on the Bicycling the Pacific Coast info:  it's set-up as 
>> roughly 60 mile per day average.  This may be challenging given the amount 
>> of climbing, esp for the kids.  They do a good job of listing all the 
>> campgrounds along the way but only comment on the ones they've used.  The 
>> ACA maps also have good info on services.  
>>
>> We live in Orange County & could possibly help out, although we have no 
>> travel plans that far off.  Contact me directly if you want to discuss in 
>> detail.  
>>
>> Doug Peterson
>>
>> On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 4:57:13 PM UTC-7, Kip Otteson wrote:
>>>
>>> My wife requested that we do a bike tour this upcoming summer.  This is 
>>> a pretty rare request and when she mentioned it I jumped at the chance.  
>>> I'm planning on riding the Pacific Coast route as laid out by Adventure 
>>> Cycling.  We are not doing the whole trip, but are going to be riding from 
>>> Southern Oregon and will be ending up in the OC.  The crew will be me, my 
>>> wife, and two kids, daughter (12) and son (15).  We have ridden a few tours 
>>> in SE Asia but nothing this long.  Not remotely.  I'll be on my Bombadil, 
>>> my wife on her Heron, and my son on a Surly Pack Rat, daughter on an 86' 
>>> Panasonic Mountain Cat 4500.  We plan on being on the road from the 10th of 
>>> June till around the middle of July.  We are both school teachers so this 
>>> is doable as far as work is concerned.  Being teachers, we are on a budget 
>>> and plan on camping as much as we can.  We have used Warm Showers in the 
>>> past and are hosts.  That is a great deal, for sure. 
>>>
>>> I'm looking for any suggestions from folks that have done this.  Good 
>>> places to camp, words of advice on road conditions, etc.   
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Kip 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

[Patrick Moore]

My 58 cm blue Ram easily took 35 mm (labeled; 32 mm actual) Kojaks with
plenty of room for fenders; PBs, IIRC. It easily had room for true 35s
without fenders.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 4:19 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Yes, according to the brochure, it is intended for 28mm max with fenders.
> And that call was on the money.
>
> 32 without fenders is great. I think it could take 700 x 35's without
> fenders, too.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PURPLE RIV IN BICYCLE QUARTERLY

[Leah Peterson]

Ana Candela (I love her name) has a very active bike life with her custom Riv 
Mixte. Check her out on Instagram!

Sent from my iPad

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> Who is Ana?
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[RBW] Re: PURPLE RIV IN BICYCLE QUARTERLY

[Lum Gim Fong]

Who is Ana?

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

[Lum Gim Fong]

I am guessing that is the first iteration(?) of orange with those pointy head 
tube lugs, rather than the Atlantis type whale-tail lugs that most oranges seem 
to have (came later?) -at least of the pics I have seen online.
Wow!! 33mm tires. Sounds like better clearances.

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[RBW] Re: PURPLE RIV IN BICYCLE QUARTERLY

[dougP]

My BQ hasn't yet arrived but I now know which page to turn to first.  I've 
loved following Ana's adventures on Instagram.  The Purple Riv is seeing 
some country.  

dougP

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> The world famous Purple Riv and her owner have been featured on page 89 of 
> the latest issue of Bicycle Quarterly.
> What a great ambassador to the Rivendell community.
> Way to go Ana.
> Jon 
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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[dougP]

Leah:

That's a truly inspiring story, so glad to hear of it.  We all need to look 
for opportunities, however humble, to be a Benefactor.  Now, get a bigger 
lock for that new bike.

dougP

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:59:54 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, 
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he 
> can never repay. 
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay 
> you? 
>
> Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I 
> don’t know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel 

Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Everyone, it was so fun to read your responses today. I loved your poems and 
stories and thoughts (some private, some posted) and savored them along with a 
mug of strong, hot coffee. It felt like a group celebration among kindred 
spirits; my joy was made complete. Anyone would be moved by the generosity in 
this story, but unless they know and love Rivendell they can’t fully know the 
heights of our joy., can they? Thank you for being part of it! 

I hear the bike is shipping late next week, so it will be awhile before I’ve 
got proper photos and a ride report (from a 12 year old!). Gosh, I think video 
would be a good format for that...is that possible on here? 

Well, meanwhile, Ethan is in raptures over here and is getting behind in 
pre-algebra as a result. “Mom, I daydream about my Clem and taking it to 
Minneapolis this summer on those trails [to the falls there] and then I realize 
10 minutes have gone by and I’m lost in math!” But it’s my younger son who’s 
really lamenting the wait. He wants the handed-down Hotrock YESTERDAY but it’s 
technically Ethan’s until the mini Clem arrives. The Hotrock has a rack and 
basket and a Captain Hook net which Lincoln has hotly coveted, apparently. 
Lincoln has a fresh brass jingle bell that I ordered from Riv to make the bike 
his own. He learned how to make a double figure 8 knot and then rigged it to 
his bars. You know how dogs pee on what’s “theirs”? I think it’s like that. 
Tomorrow there will be a fight because “you can’t ride that bike because that’s 
my jingle bell and I don’t want you using it.” 

Lastly, if one must await their little Clem, they can at least have a picture...


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> On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Andrew Letton  wrote:
> 
> Tears of joy... :-)
> Thank you for sharing the story, Leah.
> And thank you to the benefactor for demonstrating that there is still good in 
> this crazy world.
> Cheers,
> Andrew in Sydney
> 
> 
> From: Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch  
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:59 AM
> Subject: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor
> 
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale
> 
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity.
> 
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So generous 
> you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines the word 
> generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that definition 
> from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind of giving 
> that costs one something; giving without expectation for something in return; 
> a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some stuff about Jesus in 
> there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, but it will be hard.)
> 
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also.
> 
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And finally, 
> this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a story about a 
> convergence of the three. 
> 
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. He 
> had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th grade 
> year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We ride to 
> school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, quality bikes to 
> do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but you know this. The 
> company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had suddenly closed its doors, 
> so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. Though disappointed about 
> losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the right places to shop, and be 
> on my way with the problem solved. 
> 
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. In 
> my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days prior, 
> and this is what it said:
> 
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a generous 
> gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 45cm Clem 
> to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference between the 
> Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request is that if 
> you accept; to keep me anonymous.”
> 
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the 

[RBW] Re: I RECEIVED MY SOLEREBEL SHOES

[masmojo]

Not really sure how to post pics with this android phone!?

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[RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Justin, Oakland]

Those look nice. Summer shoe perfect actually. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Ed Carolipio]

Thanks for sharing, Ash.

I just checked, and I'm on week 10. So you all are saying there's a 
chance...

--Ed C.

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 6:14:59 PM UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
>  I truly believe that there was a typo in order receipt notification.  The 
>> 10 to 12 days was meant to say 10 to 12 weeks.  If they are making the 
>> shoes from the basics, including spinning the material to create them, 10 
>> to 12 days seems unrealistic.
>
>
>
> Good points Jay.  Thanks for that perspective.  
>  
> I got mine yesterday (pictures attached, also featuring MUSA pants and MIT 
> Atlantis). 
>
> Rather good shoes!  They look VERY handmade.  After opening the package 
> the whole house had a smell of Addis Ababa for next 10 hours!  Or may be it 
> was the only-five-six-days-old shoe goo ;)  
>
> Two shoes are slightly asymmetrical. Does not affect the comfort/fit in 
> any way. Others won't notice.  To me the this and a few minor imperfections 
> make them kind of cool and unique!  
>
> Typically I don't find shoes not wide enough.  Seems like SR folks paid 
> attention to my notes and made them roomier. I quite appreciate it.I 
> wore it to work, went for a 6 mile ride afterwards and overall, these will 
> likely become my primary footwear.  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 9 October 2018 03:05:28 UTC-7, Jay LePree wrote:
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> My shoes are due to ship October 10.  I truly believe that there was a 
>> typo in order receipt notification.  The 10 to 12 days was meant to say 10 
>> to 12 weeks.  If they are making the shoes from the basics, including 
>> spinning the material to create them, 10 to 12 days seems unrealistic.  
>> Looking at the time frames of delivery, 10 to 12 weeks seems more 
>> realistic.  I hope everyone enjoys their shoes.  
>>
>> Jay "Shoe man" LePree
>> Demarest, NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

[Jonathan D.]

I fit Jack Browns with PDW fenders. It is close and as large as I would go. 
Seems like 32 would be an easy fit. Mine is an orange Ram but I don’t know the 
generation. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Jenny's AHH

[jenny k.]

bumping this thread.. still available! price lowered. 

thanks for looking and considering!

—jenny @ RBW

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202458515883

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Adam Leibow]

i have used the cowchippers and portolas and yes they are a bit different. 
the portolas feel narrower, even though they have more pronounced flare. 

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 8:16:05 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Is anyone familiar with a good alternative to the Salsa Cowchipper Bar 
> with a 26 clamp?  I like the cowchipper bars a lot and would like a similar 
> bar to use with my nitto stems. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 52 Clem L, possibly 55 Cheviot or canti-Sam

[Adam Leibow]

oof brutal - sorry to hear that!

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> I'm looking for F/F/HS, complete, or anything in between. Shipping to 
> 98052.
>
> Slight preference for the Clem L since the price point makes goodies like 
> dynamo lighting more accessible. Still, any of these three would be 
> terrific, for slightly different reasons that I'd weight equally.
>
> Thanks, all, for the great collective input on frame choices!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 52 Clem L, possibly 55 Cheviot or canti-Sam

[Tully Lanter]

Thanks for the tip! Would be seriously tempted to snag it right now had
someone not beaten me to it already!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 4:15 PM Adam Leibow  wrote:

> you should see the riv special sale for the demo 55 sam H complete
>
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for F/F/HS, complete, or anything in between. Shipping to
>> 98052.
>>
>> Slight preference for the Clem L since the price point makes goodies like
>> dynamo lighting more accessible. Still, any of these three would be
>> terrific, for slightly different reasons that I'd weight equally.
>>
>> Thanks, all, for the great collective input on frame choices!
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 52 Clem L, possibly 55 Cheviot or canti-Sam

[Adam Leibow]

you should see the riv special sale for the demo 55 sam H complete

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-7, Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> I'm looking for F/F/HS, complete, or anything in between. Shipping to 
> 98052.
>
> Slight preference for the Clem L since the price point makes goodies like 
> dynamo lighting more accessible. Still, any of these three would be 
> terrific, for slightly different reasons that I'd weight equally.
>
> Thanks, all, for the great collective input on frame choices!
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

[Lum Gim Fong]

Here is the brochure:
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/index.html

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

[Lum Gim Fong]

Out of curiosity, I scanned the brochure to see what it recommended for 
tires size with fenders.
But it didn't say what max should be with fenders that I could see.

But I think 28 max would be right. Safer clearances for sure.
With my 32's on there, it looks like a tire could rub if wheel goes out of 
true.

Interestingly, the brochure says 700 x *38c* max *without *fenders. That is 
huge for a road bike, especially back then.

The copy reads funny. Like almost makes it sound like the bike *should be* 
ridden with 28mm tires, minimum, which I am happy to do.
I would not want to go any narrower.

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

[Lum Gim Fong]

Yes, according to the brochure, it is intended for 28mm max with fenders. 
And that call was on the money.

32 without fenders is great. I think it could take 700 x 35's without 
fenders, too.

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have a Rambouillet, but I think your experience is about what to 
expect from any bike designed for 57mm reach brakes. Under best case 
scenario, you might fit 32mm tires and fenders, but clearance will be 
tight. I think the intention is for 28mm max tire size with fenders, and 
35mm (maybe 37 in some cases) without fenders.

Eamon

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 1:55:39 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Just for fun and reference. Put your info here too for others to see as 
> this is discussed sometimes. Seems like different iterations have different 
> clearances.
> I have been wrestling with 700 x 40mm Berthouds to get them installed and 
> to fit with 700 x 32mm tires.
>
> *My Ram's frame iteration *(I think) one of the later ones*:*
> I have a blue 54 Rambouillet with Hilsen lugset/barrel eyelets on 
> seatstays/one eyelet per dropout (for iteration description).
> 132.5 dropouts.
> Frame features are like the green iteration. I have never seen an orange 
> or other blue like this.
>
> *Fenders and frame fit (700 x 40 stainless Berthoud Fenders):*
> Rear fender end at chainstay bridge needed to be squeezed a little  so it 
> would fit between stays. No spacers needed for bridge.
> Fenders cleared all frame points fine everywhere else front and back.
> Both fenders mounted to Problem Solvers fender nuts for easy on-off, and 
> maximum clearance without daruma hardware protrusion.
> All other fender bolts mounted with heads inside the fender and nuts 
> outside for same.
>
> *Fender fit over 32mm tires:*
> Front fender over tire went on easy.
> Rear was tough to get right, but now is on fine. 
> Nothing rubs but clearances are very tight. Nothing bigger than a 32 will 
> fit with fenders for sure.
> Too tight for my taste. I like better clearances.
> So I am hopefully getting some Cerf 28mm to put on it.
> Those tires I hope will have massive clearance after having mounted the 
> fenders for 32mm clearances.
>
> *650b conversion with SKS P45 fenders:*
> Massive clearance for 650 x 42mm tires with SKS P45 fenders on this bike. 
> Fenders fit good all around. Rear fender flexible enough to smoosh a little 
> between chainstays at chainstay bridge.
> No spacer needed.
> Tried P50 Honjos. Would need to be cut or shaped to fit around chainstays 
> at chainstay bridge on this frame. No spacer needed.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Andrew Letton]

Tears of joy... :-)Thank you for sharing the story, Leah.And thank you to the 
benefactor for demonstrating that there is still good in this crazy 
world.Cheers,Andrew in Sydney

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A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale

If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness and 
generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and also, 
you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns one’s 
typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and stretches 
it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word kindness become 
generosity.

Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So generous you 
stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines the word generous 
as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that definition from the 
Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind of giving that costs one 
something; giving without expectation for something in return; a higher form of 
kindness.” (Also, there would be some stuff about Jesus in there, but this is 
not that forum so I will refrain, but it will be hard.)

Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also.

This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And finally, 
this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a story about a 
convergence of the three. 

I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. He 
had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th grade 
year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We ride to 
school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, quality bikes to 
do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but you know this. The 
company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had suddenly closed its doors, 
so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. Though disappointed about losing 
my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the right places to shop, and be on my way 
with the problem solved. 

This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. Several 
days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. In my Junk 
folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days prior, and this 
is what it said:

“If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a generous 
gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 45cm Clem to 
pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference between the Woom 
you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request is that if you 
accept; to keep me anonymous.”

Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 

When was the last time someone was generous to you? 

Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor ask? Am 
I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair to 
him? Say no, said my pride.

When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it?

So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and how he 
arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my Benefactor 
wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the opposite.

When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 

I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas in 
October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought I’d 
have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took care of 
everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email with an order 
confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, pony-like and lovely, 
with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he can never repay.

When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay you?

Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I don’t 
know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel this. I 
will tell this story, keep his secret, and he will read about it. There will be 
photos of Peterson 

[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah,
Your words are always a gift to this group.  Thanks for revealing another layer 
of your personal life, the inner thoughts of your beautiful mind, and the 
reflections about pride many of us struggle with also occasionally. 
Ethan’s excitement takes many of back to previous joys about bikes and riding. 
#Justride. 
Hearing how long (duration) Ethan rode his Specialized; and frequency(almost 
daily) biking to school as a family, I feel the “benefactor” selected a worthy 
young boy.

Thanks for sharing as always Leah.  Your storytelling ability is on par with 
anyone’s.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Bill, not sure that is always the case, and I think there is fine print on most 
“contracts” that require proof of value. The one time I had something damaged 
as a seller, I had to show receipts (what I sold the item for and what it would 
cost to repair) regardless what the insured value was. In the end, that was all 
they based reimbursement on. I only insure for what the actual transaction 
value was and can be proven. I shipped a valuable painting to an auction house, 
and had to provide a certified third party appraisal to prove value should it 
have been lost or destroyed. 

If I sell and ship a thousand dollar diamond ring, and insure it for ten 
thousand, I better be prepared to prove it’s worth ten grand if the package 
goes missing. They may sell you the insurance, (maybe not) but what they pay is 
something different. At least that has been my experience. 

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[RBW] New SimWorks rack

[Gabriel Hargrove]

I think the design of the rear Simworks rack is especially elegant, as well, 
Justin. Unfortunately, the max load on these appears woefully inadequate. The 
3kg carrying capacity of the Simworks On The Road Rear Carrier compared to a 
Tubus Logo Evo’s 26kg max load, for instance. This is a large discrepancy 
between what looks like similar touring style racks. This has me thinking this 
could be typo, or perhaps Nitto is being overly conservative.
Seems a shame; the SW carrier’s form and finish are hard to beat compared to 
what’s out there, but a 3kg rating is likely to turn away serious load haulers.

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[RBW] Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

[Lum Gim Fong]

Just for fun and reference. Put your info here too for others to see as 
this is discussed sometimes. Seems like different iterations have different 
clearances.
I have been wrestling with 700 x 40mm Berthouds to get them installed and 
to fit with 700 x 32mm tires.

*My Ram's frame iteration *(I think) one of the later ones*:*
I have a blue 54 Rambouillet with Hilsen lugset/barrel eyelets on 
seatstays/one eyelet per dropout (for iteration description).
132.5 dropouts.
Frame features are like the green iteration. I have never seen an orange or 
other blue like this.

*Fenders and frame fit (700 x 40 stainless Berthoud Fenders):*
Rear fender end at chainstay bridge needed to be squeezed a little  so it 
would fit between stays. No spacers needed for bridge.
Fenders cleared all frame points fine everywhere else front and back.
Both fenders mounted to Problem Solvers fender nuts for easy on-off, and 
maximum clearance without daruma hardware protrusion.
All other fender bolts mounted with heads inside the fender and nuts 
outside for same.

*Fender fit over 32mm tires:*
Front fender over tire went on easy.
Rear was tough to get right, but now is on fine. 
Nothing rubs but clearances are very tight. Nothing bigger than a 32 will 
fit with fenders for sure.
Too tight for my taste. I like better clearances.
So I am hopefully getting some Cerf 28mm to put on it.
Those tires I hope will have massive clearance after having mounted the 
fenders for 32mm clearances.

*650b conversion with SKS P45 fenders:*
Massive clearance for 650 x 42mm tires with SKS P45 fenders on this bike. 
Fenders fit good all around. Rear fender flexible enough to smoosh a little 
between chainstays at chainstay bridge.
No spacer needed.
Tried P50 Honjos. Would need to be cut or shaped to fit around chainstays 
at chainstay bridge on this frame. No spacer needed.


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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[REC (Roberta)]

In a world that is so hostile sometimes, it warms the soul of such 
generosity, and of Ethan's excitement!

Roberta

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, 
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he 
> can never repay. 
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay 
> you? 
>
> Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I 
> don’t know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel 
> this. I will tell this story, keep his secret, and he will read about 

[RBW] Re: FS: Marks Hub Area rack (no loop) and olive green HAR bags

[phil k]

Willing to part with hoopless Mark Area Hub rack for $145 shipped.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 9:37:33 AM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> Price drop $235 shipped.
>
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>>
>> Hello, 
>>
>> Selling marks Hub area rack and corresponding bags in olive green. 
>>
>> I bought from fellow Lister for my commute. However, I decided to rent a 
>> locker at my office to store my work clothes so I haven't been able to use 
>> it. It's in very good condition.
>>
>> Selling what I paid for it - $250 shipped.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Phil in Arlington, VA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE : GRANDPA PINE TAR SOAP 3.25 oz the SMALLER BAR

[Charlie]

SOLD  -  SOLD

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 4:19:54 PM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>
>
>  GRANDPA PINE TAR SOAP 3.25 oz   48 each THIS IS the SMALLER BAR  $100 
> SHIPPED TO U.S.A.
>
>   NOTE : these bars sell for $3 to $4 each 
>
>  ALSO SAMPLE BARS of the other soaps GRANDPA makes / about 14-16 
> 1.35oz sample bars.
>
>ALL SHIPPED TO U.S.A. in a "USPS FLAT RATE BOX"  $100 CASH or USPS 
> MONEY ORDER =  I DO  NOT HAVE THE PAYPAL THING.
>
>  CONTACT OFF LIST - charliepedal (at) verizon (dot) net
>
> Thank you 
>
>  Charlie Petry
> JENNERSVILLE PA
>
>   
>

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE : GRANDPA PINE TAR SOAP 3.25 oz the SMALLER BAR

[Charlie]

SOLD -- SOLD  -- SOLD

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 4:19:54 PM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>
>
>  GRANDPA PINE TAR SOAP 3.25 oz   48 each THIS IS the SMALLER BAR  $100 
> SHIPPED TO U.S.A.
>
>   NOTE : these bars sell for $3 to $4 each 
>
>  ALSO SAMPLE BARS of the other soaps GRANDPA makes / about 14-16 
> 1.35oz sample bars.
>
>ALL SHIPPED TO U.S.A. in a "USPS FLAT RATE BOX"  $100 CASH or USPS 
> MONEY ORDER =  I DO  NOT HAVE THE PAYPAL THING.
>
>  CONTACT OFF LIST - charliepedal (at) verizon (dot) net
>
> Thank you 
>
>  Charlie Petry
> JENNERSVILLE PA
>
>   
>

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[RBW] Rivendell Jersey

[Fullylugged]

RBW sold branded wool jerseys made by Woolistic. The green one had the 
distinctive script, a white one ad world champion stripes.  AS noted by others 
there was the old style and the plainer Wooly warm.   I have a blue Wooly warm 
and a green Woolistic.  Not cold enough yet here in AL to wear them but getting 
there.  I absolutely think you should run the idea past RBW before ordering 
jerseys with their name on them.  Interested in the outcome too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Patrick Moore]

I agree entirely; there are, actually, practical reasons to wear bike
clothing for biking.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:18 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I'm not sure why Riv stopped selling bike jerseys.  I think it went along
> with their thinking that having a bike specific shirt inhibits you from
> just riding.  While I agree with that in principle, I don't like sticking
> my phone/wallet in my bike bag, and having items in the jersey pockets is
> way better than having them in pants pockets while riding.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
>
>> I am not sure of the history but there were these...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Jersey-2005-Small-Wool-very-rare/232959864082?hash=item363d7d6d12:g:6-8AAOSwdU9bvWIV:rk:2:pf:0
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:11:01 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting reactions to this.
>>>
>>> It is not a "counterfeit" Rivendell jersey, it is a "fake" Rivendell
>>> jersey, given that there are no Rivendell jerseys to copy that I know of.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Cocoa, FL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Patrick Moore]

Back in the early days of Rivendell they produced some very nice jerseys; 2
different models and periods, IIRC; actually, I think 3. The first were
truly retro ss with side or shoulder button plackets and buttons of some
exotic (= non plastic) material; Taiga? tagua? nuts? The second were some
ls, perhaps ss too, merino ones that didn't shrink; I got rid of an
otherwise very nice ls Large because it was skirt length and didn't shrink
a bit even after washing on Hot and drying on High.

#3s were Woolywarms, light merino; at least ss -- I have a pair of these.
Too long, really -- I don't like my cell phone and wallet down near the
bottom of my bottom -- and I may sell them. Or I may wear one right now, on
my prospective ride.

Suggestion: If someone does do a run of Rivendell jerseys (I like the
design pictured): please add buttoned chest pockets? Man, you can't get
more retro than that, and they are quite practical. I've owned only 1
jersey with those, a modern retro-jersey in wool.

I'd buy at least 1, ss or ls.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:11 AM lconley  wrote:

> Interesting reactions to this.
>
> It is not a "counterfeit" Rivendell jersey, it is a "fake" Rivendell
> jersey, given that there are no Rivendell jerseys to copy that I know of.
>
> In my original post, I mentioned this being possible heresy, as I don't
> think RBW is into kit. But Eroica wants period correct "kit". So I thought,
> as long as I am riding a bike that is sorta, kinda retro style (as in
> having lugs) why not complete the vibe with a "retro" style Rivendell
> jersey to match the bike. I mean no disrespect to RBW. I have bought 11
> frames (Ok - 10 frames and 1 bike) over the years from them.  I suppose I
> could ride my Paramount and get a "new" Schwinn jersey of some sort. But
> the Paramount is in need of a repaint among other things and I haven't sent
> it to Waterford yet - best to wait on the Rivendell custom which should
> actually fit me (I couldn't afford a custom Colin Laing when I was
> younger). I just hope they will let me ride the platform pedals, but I may
> have to switch to MKS touring pedals.
>
> Note that the font is just a simplified "Algerian" with the R 50% bigger -
> worked out as well as I could hope.
>
> Can RBW actually give permission to use "Rivendell" - wouldn't that be up
> to the Tolkien family or whoever they sold the rights to? I thought that it
> was kind of interesting that the jersey was made in New Zealand, where the
> Lord of the Rings was filmed.
>
> Now just need to find some black wool bib cycling shorts without logo in
> XXXL.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
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[RBW] Re: I RECEIVED MY SOLEREBEL SHOES

[Justin, Oakland]

Pics please! 

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[RBW] Re: FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST

[nemomom123]

*SOLD!*

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-7, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> *FS 2011 SAM HILLBORNE FRAMESET + SEAT POST *- Hi, Sorry this may be a 
> duplicate posting but I'm learning about this process and I hope to get 
> better with this group - I just used the parts from this frame set to build 
> myself a new Joe Appaloosa which I'm pretty much in love with. Will have 
> more questions on that a little later. But I'm selling this Frameset for 
> $600 + $80 for shipping. I think I've successfully posted this on my google 
> account so here's the link with some pics. Oh and yes, I would consider a 
> partial trade for a front rack and a large basket if anyone is interested 
> in that type of exchange.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zJg4H9teqRprB3s9A
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[RBW] Re: I RECEIVED MY SOLEREBEL SHOES

[masmojo]

Been wearing mine all day at work and they have stretched out enough that they 
fit fine, I am pretty happy so far.
Order more in the future? We'll see.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm not sure why Riv stopped selling bike jerseys.  I think it went along
with their thinking that having a bike specific shirt inhibits you from
just riding.  While I agree with that in principle, I don't like sticking
my phone/wallet in my bike bag, and having items in the jersey pockets is
way better than having them in pants pockets while riding.

Toshi


On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> I am not sure of the history but there were these...
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Jersey-2005-Small-Wool-very-rare/232959864082?hash=item363d7d6d12:g:6-8AAOSwdU9bvWIV:rk:2:pf:0
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:11:01 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>> Interesting reactions to this.
>>
>> It is not a "counterfeit" Rivendell jersey, it is a "fake" Rivendell
>> jersey, given that there are no Rivendell jerseys to copy that I know of.
>> ...
>>
>> Laing
>> Cocoa, FL
>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not sure of the history but there were these...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Jersey-2005-Small-Wool-very-rare/232959864082?hash=item363d7d6d12:g:6-8AAOSwdU9bvWIV:rk:2:pf:0

Bob


On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:11:01 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Interesting reactions to this.
>
> It is not a "counterfeit" Rivendell jersey, it is a "fake" Rivendell 
> jersey, given that there are no Rivendell jerseys to copy that I know of. 
> ...
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[lconley]

Interesting reactions to this.

It is not a "counterfeit" Rivendell jersey, it is a "fake" Rivendell 
jersey, given that there are no Rivendell jerseys to copy that I know of. 

In my original post, I mentioned this being possible heresy, as I don't 
think RBW is into kit. But Eroica wants period correct "kit". So I thought, 
as long as I am riding a bike that is sorta, kinda retro style (as in 
having lugs) why not complete the vibe with a "retro" style Rivendell 
jersey to match the bike. I mean no disrespect to RBW. I have bought 11 
frames (Ok - 10 frames and 1 bike) over the years from them.  I suppose I 
could ride my Paramount and get a "new" Schwinn jersey of some sort. But 
the Paramount is in need of a repaint among other things and I haven't sent 
it to Waterford yet - best to wait on the Rivendell custom which should 
actually fit me (I couldn't afford a custom Colin Laing when I was 
younger). I just hope they will let me ride the platform pedals, but I may 
have to switch to MKS touring pedals.

Note that the font is just a simplified "Algerian" with the R 50% bigger - 
worked out as well as I could hope.

Can RBW actually give permission to use "Rivendell" - wouldn't that be up 
to the Tolkien family or whoever they sold the rights to? I thought that it 
was kind of interesting that the jersey was made in New Zealand, where the 
Lord of the Rings was filmed.

Now just need to find some black wool bib cycling shorts without logo in 
XXXL.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

>
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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Philip Williamson]

It's pretty easy, as everyone says. But sure, you could mess it up. Then 
you could fix it, and you'd have a more visceral understanding of the 
process. 
I'd start with on-the-bike truing, since you might find you hate the whole 
process. I'd wait on buying a truing stand and tensiometer until you've 
built a wheel and want build a second one, only faster. That's what I did, 
and my "built on the bike" wheels are no worse than the ones built with the 
proper tools.

1. Spoke nipples work like jar caps. Envisioning that the spoke is a jar 
and the nipple is the cap is pretty much the only way I can keep it 
straight which way to turn the wrench. 
2. A tight-fitting wrench is pretty key, especially on an old wheel that 
might have corroded spokes. I like the Spokey wrench, but the Park ones are 
fine. 
3. Keep the nipple faces square with the rim, and only turn 1/4 turn at a 
time. That lets you put the wrench on by feel, and keeps you from getting 
obsessed with micro-turns. 
4. Over-turn a little on each adjustment, and then bring the nipple back 
square with the rim. That minimizes the 'pinging' and re-truing after 
stress relieving or riding. 

Good luck! 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 8:28:00 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Was wondering if this is easy to do for a first timer, or could I mess up 
> the spoke tension and cause big probs.
>
> Of course, safety is my first concern. I don't want to mess up the wheel 
> and cause a safety issue.
>
> But it is a skill I would like to have so I don't have to run to the LBS 
> over something that may be simple to do myself.
>
> Books make it seem simple.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[WETH]

This is wonderful!
Thank you for sharing this.

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, 
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he 
> can never repay. 
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay 
> you? 
>
> Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I 
> don’t know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel 
> this. I will tell this story, keep his secret, and he will read about it. 
> There will be photos of Peterson boys in coming years on a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[RDS]

That may be a little too long or have to strap it down really good.  Or maybe a 
different rack

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[RBW] Rivendell Jersey

[DarinM]

A group order of counterfeit Rivendell jerseys? I sure hope you all talk to 
them before going ahead with this. Rivendell has a brand and image to uphold 
like any other business, they might not want a bunch of almost-Rivendell style 
jerseys/shirts/whatever floating around out there.

Darin

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Re: [RBW] Colossal Wald Basket

[Will]

Back in the days when I delivered newspapers, the bikes we used all had 
long curved fork blades and wide tires. We didn't know about low trail. We 
knew we needed to keep the load center >behind< the front axle. That 
requirement, by definition, meant low trail (and usually, slack headtubes). 
And we knew we needed fat tires to cushion the load.

Check out the Worksman Cycles site. Those bikes are designed to carry 
stuff. They are not promoted as low trail. 
  
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 9:58:00 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Isn't that what Wald used to sell as the "Newsboy"? I owned one, but 
> despite the volume it could carry only a fraction of the weight that I 
> could readily carry in rear panniers without making the handling go 
> to hell, so I gave up on front loading as the primary carrying mode. 
>
> I think you need a dedicated, *very* low trail (30 mm or so, or less) to 
> carry 30 lb+ in front, all the more so with a basket in a rideable way. So 
> I don't know how the newsboys carried a neighborhood's worth of fat Sunday 
> papers on their Schwinns.
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:22 PM J Imler > 
> wrote:
>
>> Get a load of this behemoth. 
>> Pics here 
>>  
>>
>> Same width as the big Bosco bars. I think you could lug a Labrador in 
>> there. I bought it to hold my kid's school papers, looks like we'll be good 
>> for a couple years worth of hoarding.
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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Patrick Moore]

I am impressed, all the more by the donor's insistence on anonymity.

Will you please post photos of the mini-Clem and ride report (from your
son)?

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:59 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word
> kindness become generosity.
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain,
> but it will be hard.)
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also.
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a
> story about a convergence of the three.
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan.
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable,
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom.
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved.
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy.
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email.
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days
> prior, and this is what it said:
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.”
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches.
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you?
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question.
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair
> to him? Say no, said my pride.
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it?
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the
> opposite.
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more?
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem,
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he
> can never repay.
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay
> you?
>
> Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I
> don’t know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel
> this. I will tell this story, keep his secret, and he will read about it.
> There will be photos of 

[RBW] Re: Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[Bill Lindsay]

Kevin asked what may have been a rhetorical question.  In general, 
insurance has little to do with the actual value of the thing you are 
insuring.  You are purchasing a contract.  If I put an object in a box and 
the shipper offers me the option to purchase insurance, I get to declare 
how much I want to pay.  If I put a bunch of dirty shop rags in a box and 
then I want to pay for $5000 of insurance, then the shipper is going to pay 
me $5000 if they lose the box.  End of story.  It had nothing to do with 
the value of the stuff in the box.  It had only to do with the value of the 
contract I chose to purchase.  I have a 10 year old Hillborne.  If I were 
to sell it, I might expect ~$1500.  If I needed to replace it, I might need 
to spend $3000 new.  So if I ship it, I likely would insure it for more 
than $1500, and might insure it for $3000.  It's not worth $3000, but if 
they lose it, I want $3000, so that is the contract I would purchase. The 
insurance company knows they are going to lose some stuff, and they are 
going to pay out damage reimbursements.  They set their rates so they 
always make money. It's like Las Vegas. The house always wins. The house 
doesn't care if you hit the jackpot and get $5000 for a lost box of rags. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 8:01:25 AM UTC-7, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:

> Is it possible to insure something for more that it's value? Doesn't make 
> sense to me. 
>

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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for posting this amazing story.

When I first became interested in Rivendell bicycles, I was given a very 
generous offer that I'm certain would have been felt by the benefactor.  
The offer was made in a way that would have brought me far more benefit 
than just the money that was involved.  For several reasons, I did not take 
advantage of the offer and I'm very thankful it worked out that way.  The 
incredible generosity of the benefactor left an impression on me and I've 
since looked for opportunities to be a benefactor to others in need.  



On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 9:59:54 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now 

[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Steve Cole]

Thank you for warming my heart.  

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, 
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he 
> can never repay. 
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay 
> you? 
>
> Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I 
> don’t know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel 
> this. I will tell this story, keep his secret, and he will read about it. 
> There will be photos of Peterson boys in coming years on a silver, 
> 

[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[alan lavine]

Wow...just Wow!  What a story, and beautifully written.  Something for all 
of us to learn from this, especially in the current climate...it's all 
about human to human interactions.  We can't fix the world but we can do 
individual things that make a difference.

Leah, best of luck with your upcoming life challenges.

Alan
NYC

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, 
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he 
> can never repay. 
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay 
> you? 
>
> Today, 

[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Shoji Takahashi]

Thank you, Leah, for sharing this beautiful story. 

Sincerely yours,
Shoji 
Arlington MA

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, 
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he 
> can never repay. 
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay 
> you? 
>
> Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I 
> don’t know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel 
> this. I will tell this story, keep his secret, and he will read about it. 
> There will be photos 

[RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful, Leah! The economy of community is a wondrous blessing, and we 
receive and pass on in love as we are able.

Life with brain injury comes with a number of losses, and early on, I wrote 
this (warning, faith content, but it is core to the idea of receiving gifts 
freely given):

Eucharistic Receiving
02-05-2003
Eucharist means thanksgiving, and being disabled challenges us to choose 
thankfulness as our attitude.
 
There is a humbleness to receiving
I didn’t know I knew,
Now that poverty of body,
places burden on my beloved,
and I can’t do the things I’ve done,
We are, quite simply, overrun.
 
For the dishes pile high,
remaining days on end,
making cooking even tougher and cleaning a
wished for God send…
 
What gift when others say
in humble offering,
“Tell us, what can we do?”
And in joyful gratitude
deliver our wished for
sents from God.
 
When another says
“Take this, this is my body,
given for you,” I’ve learned
There is a humbleness to receiving
I didn’t know I knew.
   -Amen

May God startle you with joy!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[alan lavine]

Sorry, that sucks.

My experience with bike shops packing bikes has not been good.  Mostly this 
has happened when I'm traveling away from home, and don't have the 
facilities to do it myself.  It's often relegated to the low person on the 
totem pole of the shop, since it requires no special skills, at least in 
their eyes.  I've had minor damage and once lost a classic Riv saddlebag 
with some great tools inside.

So if I'm home, I'll do it myself, even if I really don't enjoy the 
project.  If traveling, I would make it a point to discuss with the owner 
or manager the specific details of the job, who's going to do it, maybe 
even provide them with some store bought packing materials for the job. 
 Don't just leave it with the person behind the counterdo what you can 
to politely call attention to the job so its not routine to the shop.  No 
guarantee, but might help.

Alan
NYC

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:41:00 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> I guess there is a first time for everything.  The beautiful, pristine Sam 
> I sold recently was damaged by what looks like a bad packing job, and the 
> bike shop owners are pointing the finger at Fedex, even though the box 
> isn't showing any signs of being hit, penetrated, folded, creased, etc..  
>
> Never had this issue before.  I've never used this shop to ship a bike 
> before, but they have 5 locations in this area, have been around a while, 
> and are fairly popular.  They carry Santa Cruz, Specialized, Cannondale. 
> The Sam's buyer has pictures showing several areas where the paint has been 
> rubbed off down to the metal by what looks like metal-to-metal contact 
> (likely a bar-end shifter).  Foam had obviously fallen off several areas 
> leaving frame and components to rub against each other.  A zip tie 
> apparently was applied so tightly that paint was rubbed off.  The wooden 
> plug in the seat tube had fallen out, causing the paint on the point of the 
> seat lug to be rubbed off.  The seatpost collar clamp bolt is missing.  It 
> really makes me sick to think of that bike in that condition ... and of 
> course the buyer is very disappointed, this being their first Riv.
>
> All evidence points to a poor packing job, but the bike shop manager, with 
> whom the buyer and I spoke with today, said that the owners think it's 
> Fedex's issue to resolve.  I was flabbergasted, and have escalated to the 
> shop owner, who is supposed to call me to discuss.
>
> In the meantime, we're looking into Fedex claims.  Bikeflights terms and 
> conditions state very clearly that by shipping via Bikeflights, you agree 
> to pack the bike very well, per their recommendations.  I'm not sure what 
> the insurance is for except for the even worse case of the bike being 
> lost.If 
>
> I'm thinking there has to be more than one of you who has been in a 
> similar situation of dealing with finger-pointing packers vs. shippers.  
> Any recommendations for resolving?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

[Tully Lanter]

Ha! Appreciated, Mark. I'll cross my fingers that two 52 Ls are floating
around out there!

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 4:13 AM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oops, did not see Tully's new post seeking a bike. I withdraw my tentative
> query for now!
>
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:43:17 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I am a Clem L fanboy! If anyone has a 52 frame and fork in grilver,
>> I am almost at a point where I could consider reacquiring one--please let
>> me know.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[bo richardson]

riv might also beable toprovide a digitized logo template
for an absolutely correct result.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Lum Gim Fong]

Riv cotton or wool T with huge, full front, headbadge of your choice would be 
cool.

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[RBW] Re: Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Is it possible to insure something for more that it's value? Doesn't make 
sense to me. 

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[RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale

If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness and 
generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and also, 
you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns one’s 
typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and stretches 
it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word kindness become 
generosity.

Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So generous you 
stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines the word generous 
as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that definition from the 
Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind of giving that costs one 
something; giving without expectation for something in return; a higher form of 
kindness.” (Also, there would be some stuff about Jesus in there, but this is 
not that forum so I will refrain, but it will be hard.)

Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also.

This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And finally, 
this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a story about a 
convergence of the three. 

I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. He 
had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th grade 
year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We ride to 
school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, quality bikes to 
do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but you know this. The 
company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had suddenly closed its doors, 
so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. Though disappointed about losing 
my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the right places to shop, and be on my way 
with the problem solved. 

This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. Several 
days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. In my Junk 
folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days prior, and this 
is what it said:

“If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a generous 
gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 45cm Clem to 
pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference between the Woom 
you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request is that if you 
accept; to keep me anonymous.”

Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 

When was the last time someone was generous to you? 

Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor ask? Am 
I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair to 
him? Say no, said my pride.

When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it?

So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and how he 
arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my Benefactor 
wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the opposite.

When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 

I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas in 
October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought I’d 
have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took care of 
everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email with an order 
confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, pony-like and lovely, 
with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he can never repay.

When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay you?

Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I don’t 
know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel this. I 
will tell this story, keep his secret, and he will read about it. There will be 
photos of Peterson boys in coming years on a silver, pony-like Clem. It doesn’t 
seem enough.

Is it going to end with you?

This is the question I’m asking myself now. When someone extends generosity to 
you, it frees you up to do the same. Not to square up or make it even, as my 
pride would have it, but because I’ve been the recipient of something 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Kevin Mulcahy]

The jersey is kinda neat, but I really don't think it'd be right to proceed 
in producing these without a blessing from Rivendell. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Colossal Wald Basket

[Patrick Moore]

Perhaps that is the secret ...

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:58 PM Will  wrote:

> That's the size Wald basket I used for about 6 years delivering newspapers
> as a kid. You do need to reposition it though. It is about 3 inches to far
> forward. If the center of gravity for your load is ahead of the front axle,
> the handling will be poor.
>
> See if you can move it back and see if you can find struts to support it
> from the axle, not that slender rack.
>
> It is a great basket but it needs to be as close to the the head tube as
> you can get it (which is why newspaper bikes had coaster brakes, not
> calipers). And it needs wide lateral support connected to the wheel, not
> higher. Higher support on the fork blades lends to instability: too much
> flex.
>
> Been there.
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 4:22:15 PM UTC-5, J Imler wrote:
>>
>> Get a load of this behemoth.
>> Pics here
>> 
>>
>> Same width as the big Bosco bars. I think you could lug a Labrador in
>> there. I bought it to hold my kid's school papers, looks like we'll be good
>> for a couple years worth of hoarding.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Colossal Wald Basket

[Patrick Moore]

Isn't that what Wald used to sell as the "Newsboy"? I owned one, but
despite the volume it could carry only a fraction of the weight that I
could readily carry in rear panniers without making the handling go
to hell, so I gave up on front loading as the primary carrying mode.

I think you need a dedicated, *very* low trail (30 mm or so, or less) to
carry 30 lb+ in front, all the more so with a basket in a rideable way. So
I don't know how the newsboys carried a neighborhood's worth of fat Sunday
papers on their Schwinns.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:22 PM J Imler  wrote:

> Get a load of this behemoth.
> Pics here
> 
>
> Same width as the big Bosco bars. I think you could lug a Labrador in
> there. I bought it to hold my kid's school papers, looks like we'll be good
> for a couple years worth of hoarding.
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[RBW] Re: New SimWorks rack

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I see that now -- I didn't bother to click the link because I'd just to 
Crust in August and Matt didn't mention a new rack coming (he's sneaky like 
that, I guess). That one is interesting but wouldn't have worked for me 
anyway as I'm running brazed on CP rim brakes and they tend to block 
forward access to the center hole on the crown.

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:

The rack that Keith linked to is a new rack that Crust is offering. Not the 
> one with lowrider attachments.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> I like that Crust Rack exactly because it doesn't have a diving board 
>> (and I like the platform size for the basket, too). The Crust works off a 
>> pretty smart "truss" or bracket that attaches to the center hole on a fork 
>> crown. That bracket is quite beefy and spreads the load outward similar to 
>> a fork with attachment points on top of the crown on either side of the 
>> head tube. I was able to run the bracket behind a set of Mafac Raids, even. 
>> It's a solid rack but not overly heavy -- the stainless steel struts are 
>> heavy gauge hollow tubing with nicely welded attachment points -- and the 
>> hardware is top notch. The platform has plenty of attachment points as well 
>> for lights and/or lowrider racks. And the 4 struts ought to make anyone 
>> paranoid about rack failure feel safe, too. I'm not totally crazy about the 
>> industrial / "erector set" aesthetic overall but it works with the build 
>> style of the particular bike I have it on now.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:47:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh.  Maybe this is old news, but i just saw this crust rack, yet 
>>> another "mini platform," for the first time.  Doesn't have the diving 
>>> board, but it looks like it would work with many canti-style riv forks.
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/products/small-rack/
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[bo richardson]

want one and will see if my posse shows interest

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L 59cm - Grilver - Frameset - New - $750 plus shipping

[David B]

Trade made.
Thanks,
David

On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 8:39:33 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> I did a silly thing and bought a Clem L frameset when I already have a 
> Clem H built up. I've decided to stick with my H.
> So selling this one for what I paid recently on this list.
>
> Rivendell Clem L Frameset
> New, never built up.
> Grilver color.
> 59cm. Curved stay version.
> Includes frame, fork, headset, bottom bracket, seatpost.
> Email for photos.
>
> $750 plus shipping.
> I'm in River Grove, IL, just west of Chicago, if you're local. 
> Thanks!
> David
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New SimWorks rack

[David B]

The rack that Keith linked to is a new rack that Crust is offering. Not the 
one with lowrider attachments.


On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> I like that Crust Rack exactly because it doesn't have a diving board (and 
> I like the platform size for the basket, too). The Crust works off a pretty 
> smart "truss" or bracket that attaches to the center hole on a fork crown. 
> That bracket is quite beefy and spreads the load outward similar to a fork 
> with attachment points on top of the crown on either side of the head tube. 
> I was able to run the bracket behind a set of Mafac Raids, even. It's a 
> solid rack but not overly heavy -- the stainless steel struts are heavy 
> gauge hollow tubing with nicely welded attachment points -- and the 
> hardware is top notch. The platform has plenty of attachment points as well 
> for lights and/or lowrider racks. And the 4 struts ought to make anyone 
> paranoid about rack failure feel safe, too. I'm not totally crazy about the 
> industrial / "erector set" aesthetic overall but it works with the build 
> style of the particular bike I have it on now.
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:47:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Huh.  Maybe this is old news, but i just saw this crust rack, yet another 
>> "mini platform," for the first time.  Doesn't have the diving board, but it 
>> looks like it would work with many canti-style riv forks.
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/products/small-rack/
>>
>

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[RBW] Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[William!]

I’ve also been in this situation, although in my case the frame was ruined. The 
shop never did take any ownership, but the shipping company eventually covered 
most of the cost of a new frame.

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[RBW] Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[Conway Bennett]

I was on the receiving end of this of this as a buyer and the shop that botched 
the job reimbursed me both packing and shipping costs.  I initially tried to 
file a claim with the freight handler but they said the damage was due to 
packaging which I concurred with.  Ended up with a complete quickbeam for $645 
which I could live with.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Reed Kennedy]

Warning: Rough measure taken with two meter sticks and eyeballing the
contact patches.

I got 125 cm. Maybe a touch over. Definitely less than 130 cm.


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:43 AM RDS  wrote:

> What is the wheelbase length (meaning the distance b/t where the two tires
> make ground contact) for the 59 Clem L.  I have to put my bike on a tray
> style bike rack to go somewhere to ride and now am wondering if it will fit
> or not.
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.
>>
>> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.
>> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most
>> riding will be paved paths.
>>
>> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[tc]

Cool idea.  I'm more of a t-shirt guy though, and wish Riv offered 
high-quality t-shirts with a smallish (3"-4" dia) head badge of your choice 
on the chest!

Tom

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:35:02 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> One of my goals when I retire is to do some Eroica rides. They require 
> period correct clothing as well as bikes. I was ordering a Guvnors' 
> Assembly jersey from Soigneur in New Zealand and noticed that you could get 
> semi-custom jerseys made. These are 100% Merino wool. Not sure if this is 
> heresy or not, but I came up with this (a modification of their Jacques 
> Anquetil jersey):
>
> [image: IMG_0063s.jpg]
>
> Laing 
> Cocoa, FL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[Lester Lammers]

The shop was negligent. They packed it and I assume that you paid for the 
service. No physical damage to the box indicates the packing was not 
adequate..

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:41:00 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> I guess there is a first time for everything.  The beautiful, pristine Sam 
> I sold recently was damaged by what looks like a bad packing job, and the 
> bike shop owners are pointing the finger at Fedex, even though the box 
> isn't showing any signs of being hit, penetrated, folded, creased, etc..  
>
> Never had this issue before.  I've never used this shop to ship a bike 
> before, but they have 5 locations in this area, have been around a while, 
> and are fairly popular.  They carry Santa Cruz, Specialized, Cannondale. 
> The Sam's buyer has pictures showing several areas where the paint has been 
> rubbed off down to the metal by what looks like metal-to-metal contact 
> (likely a bar-end shifter).  Foam had obviously fallen off several areas 
> leaving frame and components to rub against each other.  A zip tie 
> apparently was applied so tightly that paint was rubbed off.  The wooden 
> plug in the seat tube had fallen out, causing the paint on the point of the 
> seat lug to be rubbed off.  The seatpost collar clamp bolt is missing.  It 
> really makes me sick to think of that bike in that condition ... and of 
> course the buyer is very disappointed, this being their first Riv.
>
> All evidence points to a poor packing job, but the bike shop manager, with 
> whom the buyer and I spoke with today, said that the owners think it's 
> Fedex's issue to resolve.  I was flabbergasted, and have escalated to the 
> shop owner, who is supposed to call me to discuss.
>
> In the meantime, we're looking into Fedex claims.  Bikeflights terms and 
> conditions state very clearly that by shipping via Bikeflights, you agree 
> to pack the bike very well, per their recommendations.  I'm not sure what 
> the insurance is for except for the even worse case of the bike being 
> lost.If 
>
> I'm thinking there has to be more than one of you who has been in a 
> similar situation of dealing with finger-pointing packers vs. shippers.  
> Any recommendations for resolving?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[tc]

Bill,
Absolutely agree with making things right with the buyer.

The night I found out what had happened, I offered to take the bike back 
and refund the money.  At that time, the buyer stated they wanted to keep 
the bike, and look into getting the scratched/chipped places touched up.  
And we were both hoping the bike shop that packed it would own up and pay 
for that very reasonable solution.

I'm calling Bikeflights this morning to see what our recourse with them 
might be so that we have that in our back pocket before speaking with the 
owner of the bike shop later today.  I did purchase insurance.  Given the 
box isn't damaged, showing no signs of abuse, I don't hold much hope - but 
we'll see.

Having never had this issue before, I now regret that I did not take a full 
video or set of pictures to document the condition of the bike *at the shop 
before I left*.  I did take a video of the bike on my car rack right before 
leaving for the shop that packed it, but it was more of an overall picture 
for posterity than a detailed inventory of the condition.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[RDS]

What is the wheelbase length (meaning the distance b/t where the two tires 
make ground contact) for the 59 Clem L.  I have to put my bike on a tray 
style bike rack to go somewhere to ride and now am wondering if it will fit 
or not.  

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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[RBW] Re: Packing and/or shipping bike damage: Any strategies for successful resolution?

[tc]

Joe,
Luckily there was no frame, component, nor wheel/rim damage per se ... this 
is a scratched/chipped paint issue, plus the missing bolt.

Tom

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:35:55 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I don't know how to resolve it legally, but all that damage didn't come 
> from a box being tossed around. The whole point of packing the bike a 
> certain way - as described on the Bike Flights site - is to protect it even 
> if something presses against the box. Metal-to-metal contact means whoever 
> packed that box was an incompetent hack. The owner owes you a new frame. 

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[RBW] Re: Weighing options: Clem L vs. Cheviot (vs. ?)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oops, did not see Tully's new post seeking a bike. I withdraw my tentative 
query for now!

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:43:17 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, I am a Clem L fanboy! If anyone has a 52 frame and fork in grilver, I 
> am almost at a point where I could consider reacquiring one--please let me 
> know.
>
>
>>

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[RBW] PURPLE RIV IN BICYCLE QUARTERLY

[Matt Beecher]

  What model is it?  

Thanks,
Matt B
Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: New SimWorks rack

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like that Crust Rack exactly because it doesn't have a diving board (and 
I like the platform size for the basket, too). The Crust works off a pretty 
smart "truss" or bracket that attaches to the center hole on a fork crown. 
That bracket is quite beefy and spreads the load outward similar to a fork 
with attachment points on top of the crown on either side of the head tube. 
I was able to run the bracket behind a set of Mafac Raids, even. It's a 
solid rack but not overly heavy -- the stainless steel struts are heavy 
gauge hollow tubing with nicely welded attachment points -- and the 
hardware is top notch. The platform has plenty of attachment points as well 
for lights and/or lowrider racks. And the 4 struts ought to make anyone 
paranoid about rack failure feel safe, too. I'm not totally crazy about the 
industrial / "erector set" aesthetic overall but it works with the build 
style of the particular bike I have it on now.

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:47:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Huh.  Maybe this is old news, but i just saw this crust rack, yet another 
> "mini platform," for the first time.  Doesn't have the diving board, but it 
> looks like it would work with many canti-style riv forks.
>
> https://crustbikes.com/products/small-rack/
>

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