[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

[Jonathan D.]

I would be in.

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs

[sameness]

Done, and good survey! Thanks for taking the bull by the horns.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

[Justin, Oakland]

Patreon is a platform that is very popular and effective in implementing 
these.

-J

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 8:33:19 PM UTC-8, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Here’s a thought: instead of offering discounts and including the reader, 
> the new membership went towards helping offset the cost of product 
> development or whatever cash flow issues the company experienced during 
> slow times. 
>
> Perhaps giving members the first, say 24 hour, opportunity to purchase 
> items destined for the garage sale page or limited quantities of items. 
> Maybe be kept abreast of new product development. 
>
> I’m not suggesting any sort of discounts but rather a way for people who 
> want the company to survive the lean times and support all the work that 
> goes into keeping the ship afloat. 
>
> John Bennet shared some details on an earlier post that a lot of us may 
> not have considered. 
>
> I would happily pay for a membership that allowed for the company to 
> continue product development that many of us benefit from. 
>
> Just a thought 
>
> Ray

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[RBW] What if Rivendell brought back paid memberships?

[Ray Varella]

Here’s a thought: instead of offering discounts and including the reader, the 
new membership went towards helping offset the cost of product development or 
whatever cash flow issues the company experienced during slow times. 

Perhaps giving members the first, say 24 hour, opportunity to purchase items 
destined for the garage sale page or limited quantities of items. 
Maybe be kept abreast of new product development. 

I’m not suggesting any sort of discounts but rather a way for people who want 
the company to survive the lean times and support all the work that goes into 
keeping the ship afloat. 

John Bennet shared some details on an earlier post that a lot of us may not 
have considered. 

I would happily pay for a membership that allowed for the company to continue 
product development that many of us benefit from. 

Just a thought

Ray

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Justin, Oakland]

The form was "messed up" for a second. 2 people replied already and should 
re-fill the form out.

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 8:24:37 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
> Here is a quick survey to get the ball rolling on the 25th anniversary 
> not-meeting of Rivendell Riders. Anyone who wants to collaborate PLEASE be 
> vocal. I'll reach out to Riv and see how much/little they want to be part 
> of it directly or indirectly.
>
> https://goo.gl/forms/JZKbrHpEfQDuZUco1
>
> Thanks!
> Justin
>
> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> The Jackson Demo Forest sounds intriguing, and likely new turf for lots 
>> of us.  Being near Ft Bragg, the Lost Coast is accessible for those who may 
>> want to extend their visit.  Maybe lure a few people from Portland as well?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>>
>>> It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25! 
>>>
>>> There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P 
>>> Taylor? China Camp? 
>>>
>>> When? 
>>>
>>> Let’s plan! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Justin, Oakland]

Hey folks,
Here is a quick survey to get the ball rolling on the 25th anniversary 
not-meeting of Rivendell Riders. Anyone who wants to collaborate PLEASE be 
vocal. I'll reach out to Riv and see how much/little they want to be part 
of it directly or indirectly.

https://goo.gl/forms/JZKbrHpEfQDuZUco1

Thanks!
Justin

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:37:54 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> The Jackson Demo Forest sounds intriguing, and likely new turf for lots of 
> us.  Being near Ft Bragg, the Lost Coast is accessible for those who may 
> want to extend their visit.  Maybe lure a few people from Portland as well?
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25! 
>>
>> There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P 
>> Taylor? China Camp? 
>>
>> When? 
>>
>> Let’s plan! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Fellowship of the Rigs

[justinaugust]

I've invited you to fill out the following form:
Fellowship of the Rigs

To fill it out, visit:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0ncezbLIzzm5ycECagerBMD3-2LS34vJNZ9dEjz9waZSDMw/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link

Hey folks,
Here is a quick survey to get the ball rolling on the 25th anniversary  
not-meeting of Rivendell Riders. Anyone who wants to collaborate PLEASE be  
vocal. I'll reach out to Riv and see how much/little they want to be  
part of it directly or indirectly.


Thanks!
Justin

Google Forms: Create and analyze surveys.

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Philip Williamson]

I'm in. Samuel P is easy for me (a train ride away), but the Jackson Demo 
Forest sounds more Tolkein, and I've never been. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25! 
>
> There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P 
> Taylor? China Camp? 
>
> When? 
>
> Let’s plan! 
>

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[dougP]

The Jackson Demo Forest sounds intriguing, and likely new turf for lots of 
us.  Being near Ft Bragg, the Lost Coast is accessible for those who may 
want to extend their visit.  Maybe lure a few people from Portland as well?

dougP

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25! 
>
> There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P 
> Taylor? China Camp? 
>
> When? 
>
> Let’s plan! 
>

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Justin, Oakland]

I am staying-at-home-Dadding through at least May so I’m probably able to help 
plan and such if people want. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[sameness]

>
> Fellowship of the Rigs
>

Poetry. 

I'm bad at planning, but I'm good at following instructions. Provisional +1 
as well.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Joe Bunik]

If we get enough commitment to make booking it feasible, the Mendocino
Woodlands (near Fort Bragg, in the Jackson Demo Forest) would be an
amazing venue --

https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=443

-- count me provisionally in, regardless!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 1/1/19, dougP  wrote:
> The 20th was during summer & it was kinda toasty at China Camp.  Good
> thinking on getting a jump on planning.
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25!
>>
>> There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P
>> Taylor? China Camp?
>>
>> When?
>>
>> Let’s plan!
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[dougP]

The 20th was during summer & it was kinda toasty at China Camp.  Good 
thinking on getting a jump on planning.  

dougP

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>
> It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25! 
>
> There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P 
> Taylor? China Camp? 
>
> When? 
>
> Let’s plan! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It’s like a gut punch to think of Rivendell shutting its doors. I am always 
fearful of losing my bike to theft or an accident, but I did take comfort that 
I could replace it with another Rivendell mixte if the worst happened. I 
pictured purchasing my sons bikes to fit them as teens/young adults. There 
isn’t any other company that would do; the bikes, the bags, the Blug, the 
gearI don’t ever want to say goodbye. I’ll go find some things to buy. 
Seems a small price to pay for the existence of RBW.

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Getting on that thread reminds me why I stopped doing the "let's talk about 
Riv" thing, and now I'm going back to that hiatus for the new year. I'm wasting 
brain cells arguing it. 

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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Collin A]

I'd be game! SPT is within a easy day's biking of SF BART and you can take 
several interesting routes to get there (trail, Pavement, HWY 1, etc.) with 
plenty of refueling and breweries along the way. I've got several routes 
already made up with most ridden, so I know what level of effort they'd 
require.

No idea when though, unless we want to wing it and not worry about rain...

Collin

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25! 
>
> There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P 
> Taylor? China Camp? 
>
> When? 
>
> Let’s plan! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

['Gary' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I really appreciate and respect everything about Riv and Grant's ability to 
push the boundaries of "normal" bikes and parts, and have introduced many 
folks to them who are glad to now be part of the "club." So I'm happy to 
buy a few gift certificates when Grant throws out a request - I'd much 
rather hear from him early rather than have him/riv hold things close and 
not give folks a chance to help before it might be too late (which I hope 
never happens!).  A company like Riv is so rare theses days - integrity, 
supreme customer service, innovative not-made-in-china products that are 
hard if not impossible to find anywhere else, and a just plain fun vibe. 
 I'm with John B, I'd be happy to pay the old membership fee from long ago 
again just to have access to their thinking!

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:13:01 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> A few days ago over on the Paceline forum, in response to a recent Riv 
> email about a slow holiday season they've restarted the "Riv Saved For Now" 
> discussion.  https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=218496&page=4 
> starting at post no. 51
>
> I'm a bit surprised there's been no discussion of the subject here.  
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Doug H.]

I find it refreshing that Rivendell is open and honest about their financial 
situation. I genuinely like the company and will continue to support as I am 
able to. 
Doug

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[RBW] 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Justin, Oakland]

It was mentioned in the other thread that this is year 25!

There should be a gathering of some sort. Bay Area hopefully. Samuel P Taylor? 
China Camp? 

When?

Let’s plan!

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[RBW] Re: Merry Christmastide and Happy Hogmanay!

[JohnS]

Thank you DP for sharing. I always enjoy the scenery and action shots in 
your pictures. I was able to get out for a few road rides over the holiday 
break here in eastern PA. Just got back from a nice family ride on the rail 
trail, mild temps in the low 50's so no snow, but windy. All good though.
 
Happy Holidays to you and all,
JohnS



On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 4:00:34 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which it snows and it blows and fixed gear makes it all a delight to 
> ride in! Oh, and we experience the wonderous variety of winter lighting, 
> from full sun, to indirect sun (with and without brilliant backlighting 
> from where the sun does shine), to the sun is gracing us through fiveteen 
> layers of frozen cloud today. Enjoy!
>
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/merry-christmastide-and-happy-hogmanay
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

The "holiday sales" guy is what really set me off. Cycling is a Spring/Summer 
gig for selling stuff, and anybody who regularly rides bikes should know this. 
That money we usually spend on bikey bits when the weather is good gets spent 
on other people when it's cold outside and Christmas looms. Sheesh!

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[RBW] Re: Say “Ahhhh” Brake Pads

[Garth]

  Those are perfect Brian as they are standard dura-type road sized pads .  



On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 12:00:00 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Are these too long?
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/KOOL-STOP-DURA2-CROSS-PAD-THREADED-CYCLOCROSS-TRIPLE-COMPOUND-BIKE-BRAKE-PADS-CX/302939047259?epid=1000103271&hash=item468893055b:g:FPwAAOSwPGpbGCsv:rk:1:pf:0
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[RBW] Re: psa & question: Riv All-Arounder on eBay

[Joe Bernard]

The fork looks like a late-'90s A/R, too, but we have to consider that a custom 
by Nobilette could be built A/R-ish a decade later. Doubtful, but it's 
possible..the seller needs to explain what he/she has. 

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Re: [RBW] Mismatched tires

[hugh flynn]

I'd go bigger in front ... and often do.

Even though the size differences are small, putting differently sized tires
on a bike will "tip" the bike up slightly on the side that has the larger
one which effectively changes your frame angles and bar relative saddle/bar
heights.

So in this case, with a 10mm difference in tire size, putting the larger
one in front will shift your bars up 5mm relative to your saddle and relax
the effective seat tube/head tube angles ever so slightly. If you put the
larger tire in the rear, you'll raise your saddle 5mm relative to the bars
(but not actually change the saddle height) and steepen your effective seat
tube/head tube angles ever so slightly.

I'll almost always go for the relaxing effect of larger in front.

Hugh "not a huge difference either way, but still..." Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 11:31 AM Kainalu V.  wrote:

> No opinion really, but tradition dictates that the bigger rubber goes up
> front.
> Happy new year!
> -Kai
> BKNY
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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Philip Williamson]

It is 100% time to get that 25 year Riv party rolling. 
I remember when “Ever Since 1994” was a joke!

I usually get my Riv kit in my Christmas stocking, but not this year, for some 
reason.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Jim M.]

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 10:01:34 AM UTC-8, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> Another thing they are missing is that Rivendell has been an ongoing small 
> business employing many for the past 25 years.   


Yes, there have been a lot of come-and-gones (Kogswell) in that time, many 
which have generated ill will (e.g.,Rawland).

Speaking of which, isn't it about time to start organizing a 25th 
Anniversary Party?

jim m
walnut creek, ca

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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

[Bill Lindsay]

I’m clean shaven now. 😉

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Mark Schneider]

I was happy to purchase a gift card (for myself)after I read Grant's post. 
I'm just delighted a bike company that I can relate to exists in this 
superficial over consumptive society. I have a couple of Riv's, and once I 
thin out my heard of 19, I'll try one of the long chain-stay models, the 
fact that Grant bucks the trend with the opposite of what the rest of the 
echo chamber screams is why I'm here.
Happy New Year, all!

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 2:13:01 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> A few days ago over on the Paceline forum, in response to a recent Riv 
> email about a slow holiday season they've restarted the "Riv Saved For Now" 
> discussion.  https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=218496&page=4 
> starting at post no. 51
>
> I'm a bit surprised there's been no discussion of the subject here.  
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: psa & question: Riv All-Arounder on eBay

[sameness]

Here! 


Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:18:21 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>
> I can't find the PSA thread...can someone point me in the right direction. 
> Thanks! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[rob markwardt]

Another thing they are missing is that Rivendell has been an ongoing small 
business employing many for the past 25 years.   The requests for “help” have 
also been going on for the past 25 years. It’s how they do businesses. People 
act like grant is completely clueless about running a businesshe’s still 
going...I think he has a clue!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Woolrich coat and pants-new photos added

[Steve Butcher]

Hi Forum.  Just want to mention this Coat and Pants set is still 
available.  Steve

On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 11:34:09 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Thanks for the kind bump, Frank!  Just a note for those still looking, the 
> coat and pants set is still available.  I realize holiday shopping takes 
> priority over personal purchases, so keep checking in as I don't have them 
> listed for sale on any other forum or classified list.  
> Steve
>
> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 9:03:55 PM UTC-6, Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>> If I didn't have a heavy weight wool Jacket and pants in my closet I'd be 
>> all over this. Your price is way beyond fair. Dirt cheap for the quality of 
>> items you are offering up and whoever happens to be lucky enough to finally 
>> end up with them will have some clothes that will last them a lifetime. 
>> I've had mine 20 years and they will be around longer than I will. For 
>> those that aren't familiar with what they are looking at and without  going 
>> into details this is high quality cold /wet/snow conditions outerwear. The 
>> Mackinaw (jacket) or pants would cost more than the asking price a piece. 
>> Good luck with the sale.
>>
>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> Obviously several lookers but no other inquiries at this point.  I'm 
>>> going to drop my price to $125.00 shipped CONUS.  Please PM me if 
>>> interested.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:10:26 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:

 [image: 20181213_164212(0).jpeg]

 [image: 20181213_164600.jpeg]


 On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 6:29:08 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> [image: 20181206_111859.jpg]
> Good morning Rivendellians!
>
>  As it is evident that Rivendellians appreciate wool garments, it 
> got me to thinking about this coat and pants set I've had hanging in my 
> closet for several years.  This could be considered New Old Stock as I 
> don't see that Woolrich offers this pattern of plaid at this time.  
> First, 
> I will offer some backgroound information.  Some years ago, I was in Bass 
> Pro Shops Outlet store in Springfield, Missouri and found this coat and 
> pants.  I was rather taken by the look, construction, and quality of the 
> product.  Both the coat and pants were brand new and not returned items 
> (the rack actually had several) but I decided to have them dry cleaned.  
> I 
> never wore them because they are really intended for very cold and snowy 
> weather; which we were not getting at the time.  So...the set has 
> remained 
> in the cleaning bag and hanging in my bedroom closet.  I really need to 
> make some room in the closet and this set should be in the possession of 
> someone who will use them.  The coat is a size Large which, according to 
> the Woolrich size chart should be a 42-44 chest.  The pants are a 36 inch 
> waist.  The blend is 85% Wool and 15% Nylon for both.  The coat is lined 
> with a tan cotton twill lining and is all button closure for both the 
> coat 
> and pockets.  The pants are not lined but have an elastic cuff at the 
> bottom of the legs.  Now, wouldn't these pair up nicely with a Rivendell 
> Grandfors Axe or Hatchet!  Would bring out one's inner Paul Bunyan, eh?   
> As mentioned above, I've bumped my price down to  $140.00 shipped CONUS.  
> Please send me a private message for any questions.
>

  Also, thanks to lambbo for his recommendation for better 
 photographs, I've added on a couple which I hope will help.  please note 
 on 
 the new photos I've added I rolled back the coat sleeves to reveal the 
 inner ribbed elastic cuff.  The pants have been unfolded and you can more 
 easily see the same type of ribbed elastic cuff at the end of each leg.   
 The cuffs were intended to keep cold air from going up the sleeves and to 
 allow tucking in the pant legs into the tops of boots or snow gaiters.  

>
> Steve Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri 
>


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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Justin, Oakland]

I think the biggest thing that the Paceline folks miss is that you’d have to 
find a business advisor skilled in managing niche brands. The average bear 
would come in and get rid of the the things that make Rivendell different from 
many other companies. The idiosyncrasies appear to be problematic from someone 
who wants a hyper-normalized company or believes hyper-normalization is the 
best way to succeed in the market. A niche brand can exist with its 
idiosyncrasies and SHOULD exist. It’s just harder when you decide to do things 
based on a vision and opinion rather than a regression analysis of a market 
based solely on profit uber alles. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Say “Ahhhh” Brake Pads

[Brian Campbell]

Are these too long?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/KOOL-STOP-DURA2-CROSS-PAD-THREADED-CYCLOCROSS-TRIPLE-COMPOUND-BIKE-BRAKE-PADS-CX/302939047259?epid=1000103271&hash=item468893055b:g:FPwAAOSwPGpbGCsv:rk:1:pf:0

On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 6:45:51 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Shortened brake pads for easier fat tire wheel removal (no deflation 
> required!). Simple, easy, obvious. Shorten the brake pad so the brake jaws 
> open wide. From the Blahg, the thing Grant ain’t spos’d to talk about, but 
> we can! Grin. 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/post-holiday
>
> As excited as some of you lot are about the Silver Shifters, I’m excited 
> about this prospect. Now, if I can just get a Boots with horizontal 
> dropouts, so I can ride a tire fat enough to need an slack-jawed brake for 
> when I flip/flop my rear tire. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[William!]

Amen.

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 7:31:42 AM UTC-8, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> I don't believe ANYONE posting on the Paceline forum regarding Rivendell 
> has any kind of real understanding about how much money it costs to run a 
> company like Rivendell. 
>
> What other bike COMPANY (yes, it's a company, NOT a shop) with only 10 or 
> 11 multi-hat wearing employees produces as much of their own stuff? Bikes, 
> frames, components, clothing, lugs, bags, specialty racks, soap...C'mon, 
> the list is endless. 
>
> All of those items require multiple prototypes (which ---"surprise, 
> surprise'" --the makers-suppliers do not provide for free); new tooling; 
> materials; manufacturing; safety testing.All of that costs LOTS of 
> money. 
>
> And the Rivendell mark-up is MINIMAL to keep all of these cool items as 
> affordable as possible. Sure, they still "cost," but if they were marked up 
> the way Made in Bangladesh Name Brand Designer Duds were, well, they'd be 
> 10 times as much. Maybe 20X!
>
> Year round and especially during the holidays, I get tons of emails and 
> catalogs from companies pushing their merchandise at 50% off. Rivendell 
> can't afford to do that. They'd be losing money, big time. 
>
> How can other places sell their stuff at 50% off and still thrive? Yep, 
> they pay very little for their Made In Who Knows Where merchandise. 
>
> So, Grant asking people to consider buying a $20 gift certificate after a 
> slow month seems pretty harmless to me. 
>
> And the guy on the Paceline forum who thinks December is a big month for 
> the bike business has obviously never worked in the bicycle industry. It's 
> a terrible month. 
>
> People don't buy bikes as gifts, and most regular customers are busy 
> spending their disposable income on their friends and family and 
> kidsNOT on bikes and bike parts for themselves. 
>
> I remember when Rivendell used to have paid memberships. $15 a year. It 
> was a great way to make a small contribution in exchange for the tangible 
> and intangible things Rivendell did, and to be a part of it all. 
>
> These days, I'm seeing more and more blogs and sites charging to view 
> their content. Riv doesn't do that. It's free. Heck, I'd pay $15 a year 
> ---or more!--- JUST to read Grant's Blahg. 
>
> Happy New Year to everyone who digs Rivendell and keeps 'em going! 
>
> John 
>
> Rivelo, LLC (Where we're proud & happy to be selling the best bikes in the 
> world)
>
> Portland, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 2:13:01 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> A few days ago over on the Paceline forum, in response to a recent Riv 
>> email about a slow holiday season they've restarted the "Riv Saved For Now" 
>> discussion.  
>> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=218496&page=4 starting 
>> at post no. 51
>>
>> I'm a bit surprised there's been no discussion of the subject here.  
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Mismatched tires

[Kainalu V.]

No opinion really, but tradition dictates that the bigger rubber goes up front.
Happy new year!
-Kai
BKNY 

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[John A. Bennett]

I don't believe ANYONE posting on the Paceline forum regarding Rivendell 
has any kind of real understanding about how much money it costs to run a 
company like Rivendell. 

What other bike COMPANY (yes, it's a company, NOT a shop) with only 10 or 
11 multi-hat wearing employees produces as much of their own stuff? Bikes, 
frames, components, clothing, lugs, bags, specialty racks, soap...C'mon, 
the list is endless. 

All of those items require multiple prototypes (which ---"surprise, 
surprise'" --the makers-suppliers do not provide for free); new tooling; 
materials; manufacturing; safety testing.All of that costs LOTS of 
money. 

And the Rivendell mark-up is MINIMAL to keep all of these cool items as 
affordable as possible. Sure, they still "cost," but if they were marked up 
the way Made in Bangladesh Name Brand Designer Duds were, well, they'd be 
10 times as much. Maybe 20X!

Year round and especially during the holidays, I get tons of emails and 
catalogs from companies pushing their merchandise at 50% off. Rivendell 
can't afford to do that. They'd be losing money, big time. 

How can other places sell their stuff at 50% off and still thrive? Yep, 
they pay very little for their Made In Who Knows Where merchandise. 

So, Grant asking people to consider buying a $20 gift certificate after a 
slow month seems pretty harmless to me. 

And the guy on the Paceline forum who thinks December is a big month for 
the bike business has obviously never worked in the bicycle industry. It's 
a terrible month. 

People don't buy bikes as gifts, and most regular customers are busy 
spending their disposable income on their friends and family and 
kidsNOT on bikes and bike parts for themselves. 

I remember when Rivendell used to have paid memberships. $15 a year. It was 
a great way to make a small contribution in exchange for the tangible and 
intangible things Rivendell did, and to be a part of it all. 

These days, I'm seeing more and more blogs and sites charging to view their 
content. Riv doesn't do that. It's free. Heck, I'd pay $15 a year ---or 
more!--- JUST to read Grant's Blahg. 

Happy New Year to everyone who digs Rivendell and keeps 'em going! 

John 

Rivelo, LLC (Where we're proud & happy to be selling the best bikes in the 
world)

Portland, Ore.







On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 2:13:01 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> A few days ago over on the Paceline forum, in response to a recent Riv 
> email about a slow holiday season they've restarted the "Riv Saved For Now" 
> discussion.  https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=218496&page=4 
> starting at post no. 51
>
> I'm a bit surprised there's been no discussion of the subject here.  
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: psa & question: Riv All-Arounder on eBay

[Eric]

I can't find the PSA thread...can someone point me in the right direction. 
Thanks! 

On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 5:33:01 PM UTC-6, Eric wrote:
>
> Great looking Riv All-Around on eBay (
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/132904220077?ViewItem=&item=132904220077). Great 
> color...maybe too much money for me right now.
>
> Seller states that it's a 2008 but told me it has horizontal dropouts. 
> Would such dropouts date the bike to be a little older than 2008?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Mismatched tires

[Jim S.]

Hi, I am mounting tires on a Clem. Not sure how it came about, but I have a 
60mm and 50mm. Assuming clearance either way, I am curious as to opinions about 
which I should put on the front. Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

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Re: [RBW] Comparing Fabio's Chest and Large Saddlesack in use [was:Volume of LARGE Saddlsack?]

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been looking at the BagsxBird offerings and the Goldbacks look so well 
thought out and slick. 
I still like my old Riv/Carradice Barley bag but am always frustrated by 
the buckles which require two hands to cinch and have poorly covered side 
pockets. 
Jay's website shows both the largest (Mega) and smallest (Niño) mounted on 
his A.Homer Hilsen.
The Mega is listed at 26L plus 5-10L dry bag capacity if the long flap is 
opened. I think all models feature the long flap. And lots of cinch points. 
Good graphic representation of the bags and their dimensions on his site.
https://www.bagsxbird.com/goldback

David Lipsky (No affiliation, but I hope to order one!)

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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like the beard, too. Great sweep and made for black and white photography!
My wife gets upset when mine gets that ... distinguished looking.

But, Bill, say it isn't so -- you cut out a chunk and made it into mutton 
chops?!

David Lipsky
Berkeley

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