[RBW] 59cm Clem barely fits in car, thus will be caried on the outside. I like the 1UP rack, but what about others...?

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Leah, how is it to carry that rack for taking off the car? I've been 
thinking about installing a hitch on the Impala so I can use a tray rack for my 
eClemenetine, but I would need to walk it back and forth from parking to 
apartment and I have that arthritis bugger. It's not something I would want 
staying on the car all the time. 

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[RBW] 59cm Clem barely fits in car, thus will be caried on the outside. I like the 1UP rack, but what about others...?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Have you looked at Saris? Made in the USA (Wisconsin, I think) and dead useful. 
I have the Freedom 4 bike rack, but it also comes in a 2. It has trays, so 
great for fenders. Easy on/off, and fully adjustable. My husband’s awkward 
ebike fits fine!

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[RBW] 59cm Clem barely fits in car, thus will be caried on the outside. I like the 1UP rack, but what about others...?

[LeRoy]

As detailed in a recent post 
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/BMwnMT8KlG4), my 
be-fendered 59cm Clem is an awkwardly tight fit in my recently-acquired 
Jeep Cherokee. As a result, I'm hitch-mounted bike-rack shopping (and hitch 
shopping as well!). My requirements in a rack are:
1) must securely accommodate a 40+ lb. 59cm Clem with its fenders and front 
(Nitto Mini 32F) and rear (Pletscher Clem) racks
2) must be readily removable without much fuss and knuckle-skinning
3) prefer a rack that supports the bike under its wheels rather than 
hanging it off the top tube
4) as of now, I only anticipate the need to carry a single bike; 
expandability, however, would be a nice virtue
Digging around in the archives uncovered enthusiastic recommendations for 
the 1UP hitch-mounted rack. This looks like a very good combination of 
sturdiness, good design and reasonable price. It ticks all the above boxes 
and would be about $400 delivered to my door.
I could pull that trigger but thought I'd first ask whether anyone could 
suggest an even better alternative with respect to price, value, function, 
etc. (Or, maybe you have one for sale!) Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

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Re: [RBW] A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Joe Bernard]

That urban myth was started by car magazines in road tests, and I seem to 
recall a Honda ad with a hose in it. My guess? Some fool thought they could aim 
a hose at the dashboard and lawyers got involved 

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[RBW] A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Eamon Nordquist]

This is the root of why I can’t have a long chainstay Rivendell bike. Without 
getting a much larger vehicle with much worse fuel economy, I cannot ever 
transport a bike that long (especially with fenders). I have an 89cm pbh, so 
I’m definitely in the large size range. A 59 Clem is not feasible on the public 
transportation here either.

I am sure they ride great, and almost got a 59 Clem anyway, but realized if I 
couldn’t put it in the car ever, or the racks on local buses/trains, it would 
seriously limit my usage.

Eamon
Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hosing down an Element is an urban myth. When I bought mine, they made me sign 
a form acknowledging that I knew that it would damage the car. Turns out 
they’re not waterproof from the inside.

They *are* easy to clean, however. Lots of plastic and rubber, not a speck of 
carpeting.

--Eric Norris
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@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

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> A friend of mine has an Element, as does Mark @ Riv. It's a perfect little 
> storage container on wheels, and I recall that at least some models have an 
> interior you can hose down. Nifty!  
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Joe Bernard]

A friend of mine has an Element, as does Mark @ Riv. It's a perfect little 
storage container on wheels, and I recall that at least some models have an 
interior you can hose down. Nifty!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[The Snag]

I can put my 62cm Appaloosa in our Honda Element standing up and without 
taking anything off. With another bike, and a 80lb dog, and two people with 
camping gear. No problem. And it's AWD...

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[Ginz]

I listed a Sugino XD triple 170mm but had no takers. Used but fine. Some shoe 
rub. I bought it from another member. 

Arms no rings. 

It would cheap. Contact me if interested. 

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[RBW] What size BB spindle comes on new 59cm Clem framesets?

[scott minor]

My 59 Clem H that arrived from Riv 2 weeks ago came w a 110 in it.  If there’s 
a specific size you need just give them a call and they will work w you on 
getting the length you need.   

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[REC (Roberta)]

Fantastic.  Please excuse this if you already know...

Amtrak arrives at 30th Street Station.  To get to the convention center, 
exit out of the east exit towards downtown (The exit might be called 29th 
Street) and walk (or ride your bikes) down JFK or Market Street (use Market 
Street for bikes, as it won't turn into a one way, in the wrong direction) 
until you get to Broad Street (if Broad had a number, it would be 14th 
Street).  It's about a mile.  The convention center entrance might be a 
block or to to the north, on Broad.

Or take a local commuter train (not the subway) one stop east to Suburban 
Station and walk two more blocks east to Convention Center.  These inter 
city stops are usually free.  Or Uber/Taxi.

See you then!

Roberta

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> Hi Roberta,
>
> My wife and I will be at the PBE on Saturday (traveling on Amtrak). I'll 
> keep an eye out for that Riv cap; I'd love to hear how the rest of the 
> Minnewaska weekend went.
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[John McBurney]

I don’t see that when I click on the link! That’s sneaky. A good way to get
bad feedback.

John

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 1:29 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> LOL. That eBay crankset has a starting bid of $30 plus $92 shipping!
> That’s one way to do it
>
> BL in EC
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[RBW] Re: WTB- 52 or 59 cm Clem H

[Bill Lindsay]

Blue Heron stocks them, but I don't know what they have on the floor at the 
moment.  Give them a call, or a visit.  They have a good shop.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> Greetings all, 
>
> Posting for a buddy in Berkeley who’d like to buy a complete Clem but 
> missed the boat. Anyone looking to part with one? 
>
> Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Dorothy C]

Our usual bike carrying is via a Thule hitch mount 2 bike rack on the back of a 
2009 VW New Beetle. I have Rivs but my wife prefers her ebike. We have 
discussed trading in from 2 cars, to one electric between us, but so far we 
haven’t found anything that can take a hitch mount bike rack

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[j.schwartz]

FYI that Sugino sold

On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 1:29:31 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
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> Here is a genuine Sugino for $60
>
> http://www.718c.com/movesale
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Hi Roberta,

My wife and I will be at the PBE on Saturday (traveling on Amtrak). I'll 
keep an eye out for that Riv cap; I'd love to hear how the rest of the 
Minnewaska weekend went.

Bob E
Cranford, NJ 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[Rick Thompson]

Probably not what you want, but I still have this: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/48523722897/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/

Free if someone sends me a ship label.


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> Looking for a budget, used but useable triple crank for my upcoming Clem-L 
> build... which will be a 3 speed with a Paul Melvin. 
> Rings need to be a 20t spreadsomething like 44/34/24 would be ideal. 
> I’m flexible on arm length (170-175) 
> Thanks 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[Bill Lindsay]

LOL. That eBay crankset has a starting bid of $30 plus $92 shipping!  That’s 
one way to do it

BL in EC

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[RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[Jeffrey B]

Here is a genuine Sugino for $60

http://www.718c.com/movesale

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Re: [RBW] WTB- 52 or 59 cm Clem H

[David Bivins]

Last I checked, 718Cyclery still had one in mustard in stock, and they're
having a moving sale, so the shipping cost might be offset by the discount.

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>
> Posting for a buddy in Berkeley who’d like to buy a complete Clem but
> missed the boat. Anyone looking to part with one?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[RichS]

Have to give a nod to the Honda Fit. I can “fit” either my Sam or Atlantis 
without removing the front wheel while keeping the passenger seat intact.

Best,
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[Joe Bernard]

Huh, that's weird, it's New Albion branded. And cheap!

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[John McBurney]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-Racing-T-9-Speed-Triple-Crankset-175mm-52-42-30/383237952701?hash=item593ac314bd:g:tQsAAOSwVc9dpNuV


On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:00 AM j.schwartz  wrote:

> Looking for a budget, used but useable triple crank for my upcoming Clem-L
> build... which will be a 3 speed with a Paul Melvin.
> Rings need to be a 20t spreadsomething like 44/34/24 would be ideal.
> I’m flexible on arm length (170-175)
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

And while filling their bellies, don't forget to empty their hands of 
merchandise/buy those bikes! And bags maybe?
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Paul Richardson]

mind blown, re/blown.  

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[RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[Jeffrey B]

Here’s the new version of the classic Sugino triple for $125

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/crank-new-albion-xdt-48t-x-36t-x-26t

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[ascpgh]

Paul, my original post of fitting my 62cm Ram in the 328i was a sedan!

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh 

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Re: [RBW] replacing my old B+M dyno light with what?

[masmojo]

Well, I've got too many bikes and almost all of them have dynamo hubs w/lights 
so although I  don't have the knowledge of Peter I know what works.
I think an important factor would be what type of riding you do? If you are 
mostly going to be touring I think the Edelux is the bad boy or maybe the 
Sinewave.
For strictly offroad the Sinewave or Supernova. 
Around town commuting I've noticed if I am running a light brighter than 70 Lux 
oncoming cars flash their lights at me and 70ish Lux is more then enough in an 
urban environment were there's other ambient light. 
I've used an early Supernova, B' Eyc, Cyo & IQ-XS. I've also used some 
cheaper lights by Panasonic & Spanniga, but I wouldn't recommend them.
There's an Asian light I like a lot that I've gotten off Ebay, I don't know 
what the name is, but it has a metal housing & costs about 40 bucks. It's about 
40 or 50Lux & doesn't have a stand light, but I like it because I don't need to 
worry much about it on my "around town" bikes and it's sturdy enough for 
offroad.
All things considered I would say the best light is the B IQ-XS.
Plenty bright, nice light pattern, beautiful construction and not too expensive 
although the price has gone up enough on them so that maybe you might as well 
bump up to theIQ-X for $58. More!? 
I have 3 of the IQ-XS; most I bought for around $85. They've gone up about 20 
bucks since then.

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[RBW] What size BB spindle comes on new 59cm Clem framesets?

[J Imler]

I was told my August 59 Clem L has size 118.

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[RBW] What size BB spindle comes on new 59cm Clem framesets?

[j.schwartz]

110 or 113?

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[RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[Melanie]

Hi Roberta,
I’ll be at the Expo both days and would love to meet you. 

Melanie 

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[David]

I picked up a 2018 VW Golf Alltrack and it easily takes a bike without any 
wheel removal, etc. And it was available with manual transmission which I’m not 
ready to give up yet at 68. I am having a trailer hitch installed as I write 
this as my brother has a hitch rack that will hold 4 bikes when I need it. 
Check out and grab one fast if you’re interested as VW is stopping importing 
them. Unfortunately everybody is going SUV.

David Hays
Williamsville, New York 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 8:34 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 10/31/19 8:01 AM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>> Personally, I LOVE station wagons  and I think, cool is what you make 
>> it. We've been in various V-Series Volvo wagons for the past 22 years. The 
>> only bike that doesn't slide in whole into the back with the rear seats 
>> folded down is my wife's ridiculously long Cheviot. For that land yacht, I 
>> have to use the roof rack.
>> 
>> It's new car time in our house though ... the current (2007) wagon is 
>> getting the boot and currently there's bit of a debate as to whether we're 
>> going to switch brands before we're both rolling around in wheelchairs! I 
>> don't see a minivan in our future, though (my ego might be too fragile for 
>> that) but I also couldn't be less enthused when looking at the current crop 
>> of "crossover" SUV's. Most, as noted here already aren't any bigger than our 
>> wagons ... most, in fact, are smaller! Unfortunately, true full size wagons 
>> are few and far between here in the USA these days.
> 
> 
> Sadly true, but the V90 will do the job for you.  Not sure about the new V60, 
> the old one didn't have enough room inside.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I also haven't had a car without a roof rack in over 25 years now. 
>> Practically everything ends up on top at some point: paddle boards, 
>> sailboats, skis, bikes, furniture, and of course, christmas trees. I find it 
>> funny that most car salesmen aren't prepared for our questions about what 
>> will fit and where ... it seems like a lot of folks buy those big ol' SUV's 
>> and drive 'em around full of air 
> 
> 
> A friend of mine has a Rav 4 with a roof rack. He also carries a step ladder 
> to get up there.
> 
> I switched to wagons after my crash in 2003 that broke my shoulder, reducing 
> my range of motion enough so as to make use of a roof rack impossible without 
> a step ladder.
> 
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> USA
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[RBW] Atlantis framesets 10% off

[Christopher Wiggins]

I will honor Riv's 10% off sale on frames.  56 and 53cm Atlantis 
available.  Just use coupon code RIV10 at checkout. From now until Monday 
the 4th.

https://thepsychicderailleur.com/product/rivendell-atlantis-3/

Thanks!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Paul Richardson]

FWIW I didn't realize initially that 328i is the model number of both the 
wagon and the sedan.  So I was imagining sedan+ram and really freaking out!

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/31/19 9:04 AM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Good point on the height. The thought of needing step ladder and an 
articulated rear rack for bikes makes me crazy.


I checked with VW, btw. The Passat has already been discontinued.



Not just the Passat.  My VW Golf Alltrack and the FWD Golf Sportwagen 
have also just bee discontinued.



I should also note that both Audi and BMW still offer their full size 
wagons to the European markets. Heck, even Mercedes Benz offers 
/_three_/ engine packages to the Canadian market for their E450 wagon.


We're nutty here in the USA.



I agree.


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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Good point on the height. The thought of needing step ladder and an 
articulated rear rack for bikes makes me crazy. 

I checked with VW, btw. The Passat has already been discontinued. I should 
also note that both Audi and BMW still offer their full size wagons to the 
European markets. Heck, even Mercedes Benz offers *three* engine packages 
to the Canadian market for their E450 wagon.

We're nutty here in the USA.

On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 8:41:48 AM UTC-4, David Bivins wrote:
>
> Hear hear on station wagons. When our son was born 11 years ago, I did the 
> research and ended up choosing a used 2004 VW Passat Wagon. It has a 
> ridiculous amount of cargo space. My Clem slides in fairly easily with the 
> rear seats down, and I also bring my Clem to my VW mechanic's when I need 
> to leave the car for service. It's just such a practical vehicle. 
> Apparently it has some sort of cachet with the young folks, too. I was 
> outside near my car one day recently (we park on the street in Brooklyn) 
> and there was a trio of stylish young men admiring the car. I went to open 
> the door and one of them said "Is this your car? Nice. 2004, right?" 
> They all nodded their approval. It made me feel better about the "beausage" 
> which is more like "abusage" that the body's taken from being on the street 
> all these years.
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:01 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Personally, I LOVE station wagons  and I think, cool is what you make 
>> it. We've been in various V-Series Volvo wagons for the past 22 years. The 
>> only bike that doesn't slide in whole into the back with the rear seats 
>> folded down is my wife's ridiculously long Cheviot. For that land yacht, I 
>> have to use the roof rack.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[David Bivins]

Hear hear on station wagons. When our son was born 11 years ago, I did the
research and ended up choosing a used 2004 VW Passat Wagon. It has a
ridiculous amount of cargo space. My Clem slides in fairly easily with the
rear seats down, and I also bring my Clem to my VW mechanic's when I need
to leave the car for service. It's just such a practical vehicle.
Apparently it has some sort of cachet with the young folks, too. I was
outside near my car one day recently (we park on the street in Brooklyn)
and there was a trio of stylish young men admiring the car. I went to open
the door and one of them said "Is this your car? Nice. 2004, right?"
They all nodded their approval. It made me feel better about the "beausage"
which is more like "abusage" that the body's taken from being on the street
all these years.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:01 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Personally, I LOVE station wagons  and I think, cool is what you make
> it. We've been in various V-Series Volvo wagons for the past 22 years. The
> only bike that doesn't slide in whole into the back with the rear seats
> folded down is my wife's ridiculously long Cheviot. For that land yacht, I
> have to use the roof rack.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/31/19 8:01 AM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Personally, I LOVE station wagons  and I think, cool is what you 
make it. We've been in various V-Series Volvo wagons for the past 22 
years. The only bike that doesn't slide in whole into the back with 
the rear seats folded down is my wife's ridiculously long Cheviot. For 
that land yacht, I have to use the roof rack.


It's new car time in our house though ... the current (2007) wagon is 
getting the boot and currently there's bit of a debate as to whether 
we're going to switch brands before we're both rolling around in 
wheelchairs! I don't see a minivan in our future, though (my ego might 
be too fragile for that) but I also couldn't be less enthused when 
looking at the current crop of "crossover" SUV's. Most, as noted here 
already aren't any bigger than our wagons ... most, in fact, are 
smaller! Unfortunately, true full size wagons are few and far between 
here in the USA these days.



Sadly true, but the V90 will do the job for you.  Not sure about the new 
V60, the old one didn't have enough room inside.





I also haven't had a car without a roof rack in over 25 years now. 
Practically everything ends up on top at some point: paddle boards, 
sailboats, skis, bikes, furniture, and of course, christmas trees. I 
find it funny that most car salesmen aren't prepared for our questions 
about what will fit and where ... it seems like a lot of folks buy 
those big ol' SUV's and drive 'em around full of air 



A friend of mine has a Rav 4 with a roof rack. He also carries a step 
ladder to get up there.


I switched to wagons after my crash in 2003 that broke my shoulder, 
reducing my range of motion enough so as to make use of a roof rack 
impossible without a step ladder.


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Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Jumbo grabby sackville bag

[John A. Bennett]

Great, Michael. Thanks! 

PM on the way. 

John

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 7:32:19 AM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> Yes, I'll take it. What's your paypal address?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 10:40:30 AM UTC-4, John A. Bennett wrote:
>>
>> Dear Michael,
>>
>> We have one in our inventory at Rivelo in Portland, Ore. 
>>
>> It is blue. 
>>
>> Price is $94 + shipping ($8.88).
>>
>> Let me know if you'd like us to hold it. We take PayPal.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sunday, October 27, 2019 at 4:22:53 PM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I want to buy another Jumbo Grabby messenger bag. It looks like 
>>> Rivendell has discontinued them. Anyone holding and want to sell?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Personally, I LOVE station wagons  and I think, cool is what you make 
it. We've been in various V-Series Volvo wagons for the past 22 years. The 
only bike that doesn't slide in whole into the back with the rear seats 
folded down is my wife's ridiculously long Cheviot. For that land yacht, I 
have to use the roof rack.

It's new car time in our house though ... the current (2007) wagon is 
getting the boot and currently there's bit of a debate as to whether we're 
going to switch brands before we're both rolling around in wheelchairs! I 
don't see a minivan in our future, though (my ego might be too fragile for 
that) but I also couldn't be less enthused when looking at the current crop 
of "crossover" SUV's. Most, as noted here already aren't any bigger than 
our wagons ... most, in fact, are smaller! Unfortunately, true full size 
wagons are few and far between here in the USA these days.

I also haven't had a car without a roof rack in over 25 years now. 
Practically everything ends up on top at some point: paddle boards, 
sailboats, skis, bikes, furniture, and of course, christmas trees. I find 
it funny that most car salesmen aren't prepared for our questions about 
what will fit and where ... it seems like a lot of folks buy those big ol' 
SUV's and drive 'em around full of air 

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-4, LeRoy wrote:
>
> When I bought my Clem 59 in the Spring of 2018, I carried it back from New 
> Jersey to Michigan *inside* a very sub-compact Jeep Renegade, along with 
> three guys and enough luggage and gear for a long weekend. Granted, the 
> Clem was reduced to its smallest sub-units: frame, wheels, handlebar, 
> fenders, seat, racks, etc. But it all fit. Inside. And so did three grown 
> men + gear. This was all fine for a one-time transport but not conducive to 
> regularly carting the Clem around.
> Earlier this year, I did a trial fit of the Clem in my wife's somewhat 
> bigger Jeep Compass. With the bike's front wheel removed and the car's 
> front passenger seat all the way forward, the Clem was a *very* tight 
> fit. Still indoors, but human occupancy in the front passenger seat wasn't 
> going to happen. The result was one person and one bike safely on board. 
> Clearly, I needed a bigger vehicle.
> So, as I shopped for a replacement for the Renegade, I figured that moving 
> up the Jeep food chain one notch - to the Cherokee model - would result in 
> a better Clem-fit. Nope. Who would have thunk that the 
> bigger-on-the-outside Cherokee was actually smaller-on-the-inside? It would 
> *barely* accommodate the Clem! The bike fits less well in the Cherokee 
> than the Compass. It's certainly more difficult to load and unload. Of 
> course, discovering this occurred *after* leasing the new Cherokee.
> The lesson is, apparently, to take one's bike along when car-shopping. Or 
> bring the test ride home long enough to test-fit the bike. Or, to borrow 
> from the old carpenter's adage, measure twice, buy once.
> Other than that, I really like both the Clem and the new Cherokee. But the 
> end result is that the Jeep will be getting a trailer hitch and the Clem 
> will be riding outdoors, on the back of the Cherokee.
> Anyone else run into a similar doesn't-quite-fit dilemma? ...or have a 
> clever solution that hasn't occurred to me?
>

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[RBW] WTB: Budget Triple Crankset

[j.schwartz]

Looking for a budget, used but useable triple crank for my upcoming Clem-L 
build... which will be a 3 speed with a Paul Melvin. 
Rings need to be a 20t spreadsomething like 44/34/24 would be ideal.
I’m flexible on arm length (170-175)
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[RBW] Re: WTB- 52 or 59 cm Clem H

[tc]

Some of the Riv dealers may still have H's in stock, as it isn't as popular 
as the L:  https://www.rivbike.com/pages/dealers

Tom

On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 12:34:28 AM UTC-4, Adam wrote:
>
> Greetings all, 
>
> Posting for a buddy in Berkeley who’d like to buy a complete Clem but 
> missed the boat. Anyone looking to part with one? 
>
> Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Olive Sackville Saddlesack (Medium or Large-ish)

[John McBurney]

Hi Reid,

I have an olive medium I could pass on to you. It’s in good used condition.
I also have the Nitto quick release if that interests you.

John
mcburn...@gmail.com

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 6:10 PM Reid Echols  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Thought I'd put a feeler out to see what folks have, or if you've shaken
> up your bike bag setup recently and want to pass on a Saddlesack. I think
> the "Happisack" is roughly the dimension I'm looking for. Olive would be
> nice to sort-of match the Swift Fabio's chest out front.
>
> Thanks,
> Reid in Austin
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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[ascpgh]

Roberta, hope to see you there. 

My friend and I are staying up the line at Conshohocken since the center 
city hotel prices were crazy, even ten weeks ago. The train was a a brief 
idea but the complexity of our acceptabel hotel rate radius, the car and 
the commuter line won. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 7:36:33 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Rivendell will be there this year.  I only went once, and it was so much 
> fun.
>
> I'll also be there both days with my CL-find vintage Rivendell cap.  (I'll 
> post pic later).  If anyone needs anything in Philadelphia, just PM me (I 
> live within walking distance to the convention center.)  Perhaps we can get 
> a group together to go to Chinatown (a few blocks away) for dinner.  For 
> lunch, a great option is the Reading Terminal Market (a couple blocks away).
>
> For those coming in via train, you can get off either at Suburban station 
> or at Jefferson station.  The convention center spans many city blocks and 
> when I went last, the entrance was off of Broad Street, the most western 
> entrance.
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo Nov 2 and 3. Rivendell to exibit

[ascpgh]

I'll be there. I'll certainly take pictures. It's a gathering of bikes and 
bike folks which is different than the bike-shaped things and product 
people of other trade shows. Advertising and selling are certainly the 
attraction for the trade participants, the character of it has a stronger 
pull (My old friend, Ryan of Galaxy Gearworks now in Albuquerque is driving 
over with his display bikes).

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 7:36:33 PM UTC-4, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Rivendell will be there this year.  I only went once, and it was so much 
> fun.
>
> I'll also be there both days with my CL-find vintage Rivendell cap.  (I'll 
> post pic later).  If anyone needs anything in Philadelphia, just PM me (I 
> live within walking distance to the convention center.)  Perhaps we can get 
> a group together to go to Chinatown (a few blocks away) for dinner.  For 
> lunch, a great option is the Reading Terminal Market (a couple blocks away).
>
> For those coming in via train, you can get off either at Suburban station 
> or at Jefferson station.  The convention center spans many city blocks and 
> when I went last, the entrance was off of Broad Street, the most western 
> entrance.
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[ascpgh]

328i sedan. The "illegal" engineering part was how that was part of the 
"winter package" option group. Despite a pass-through in the armrest recess 
for one pair of skis, the seatbacks had to drop to be able to fit two sets 
of skis. That it required rationalization of that magnitude to justify 
making the car as useful as it was with that feature is even more marginal. 
To fit a bike you had to have a heated steering wheel, deicing side view 
mirrors, etc. Hope no one in the sunny climes needs to fit a bike in their 
sedan. 

Second that Outback vote. The BMW is gone, the older Outback stayed because 
of its versatility (and service expenses that didn't feel like a real 
estate closing).

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, October 30, 2019 at 1:42:33 PM UTC-4, Paul Richardson wrote:
>
> 62 Ram in a 328i?!?that is amazing.
 We inherited a 2006 Honda Civic hybrid whose back seats *do not even 
 fold down*.  That kinda engineering oughta be illegal.  For bike 
 transport, both wheels have to come off, and the entire backseat is off 
 limits to passengers.  Our next auto will be held to a higher standard, 
 for 
 sure.
 paul
 takoma park, md.
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[RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Nick Payne]

I remember that about 30 years ago a friend bought a Toyota Supra. He said 
that the salesman was rather bemused, because when he first looked at the 
vehicle, he drove to the dealership, and after the initial 
inspection/drive, he said to the salesman: "I'll come back tomorrow on my 
bike, and if it can fit in the back without removing the wheels, I'll buy 
the car". And it did fit (with the rear seats folded down), and he bought 
the car. It probably helped that he was fairly short and rode small frames. 
In fact, on one occasion we drove up to Sydney to ride the state 
championships, and we could fit both our bikes inside, though we had to 
remove the front wheels to get both bikes inside.

Nick

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