Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[jack loudon]

Patrick: "Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, 
I shall resolutely avoid buying one." 

There was a thread about RH cranks coming loose a few months back, and mine 
are among a few that have had that issue. It happened more in the beginning 
and decreased in frequency over time (mine are near 3 years old).  I got in 
the habit of checking the tightness at least once a week.  I use socket hex 
bolts instead of the supplied crank bolts, so carry a small hex key instead 
of a big PB wrench.  I finally installed self-extractor caps over the bolts 
(suggested by Mark Bulgier?) which act as locknuts and seem to have solved 
the problem.   Like James, I've installed many cranksets in the past and 
the bolts have always stayed tight.  I'm not sure what the problem is with 
these cranks, but my guess is an imperfect fit with the BB spindle (mine is 
a Phil, JIS taper).I still  like them but for $455 they shouldn't have 
any issues.

Jack - Seattle

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:55:40 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I believe you. I wonder if your instance was a production outlier.
>
> Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, I shall 
> resolutely avoid buying one.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:48 PM James Valiensi  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> I’ve mounted hundreds of tapered-square bottom brackets, only one came 
>> loose and that was because I didn’t tighten it enough. 
>> This one required much more tightening force than any other one I’ve 
>> dealt with before (Campy, Shimano, TA, Sugino to mention a few I’ve worked 
>> on). 
>> My RH crank came loose about 4 times, I started to carry a wrench after 
>> the 2nd time. Finally, I figured I had nothing left to lose and put the 
>> breaker bar to it. It’s been good for a few thousand miles since.
>>
>> I’d love to have another on for my Joe Appaloosa. Maybe one day I’ll pony 
>> up for another (pardon the pun). I would not recommend against it.  
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> James's report on the RH crank surprised me, since I have thought that I 
>> might one day buy one. But this report of loosening does not make me 
>> confident.
>>
>> Have others had the same experience with loosening?
>>
>> Note: I am aware how hard it is to get a response from RH "customer 
>> service." My method to force things is to post an indignant message of 
>> complaint on the iBoblist, which seems somehow to chivvy the inert little 
>> gnomes of service into immediate, ingratiating action. Try it at home.
>>
>> But back to RH cranks: do they loosen more than, say XD2s and Pro 5 
>> Vises? I don't think I've had 1 crank out of scores if not hundreds come 
>> loose, except for very cheap Indian-made cottered ones that I probably 
>> installed with the wrong-sized cotter pin, and that was 50 years ago.
>>
>> I certainly am not doubting James's experience, but I'd like to know 
>> others'.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Valiensi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words.
>>> The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many 
>>> years before I pulled the trigger.
>>> It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the 
>>> 1st time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times. 
>>> The only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I 
>>> couldn’t believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it 
>>> down.
>>> This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has 
>>> absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to 
>>> multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but refuses 
>>> to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better 
>>> people.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How do you ship yer Riv?

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There is also https://www.shipbikes.com. You can call and talk to them with 
your questions on box and bike size: 
Contact info:  PH: 1-708-383-2433. inform at shipbikes.com 

They do sell a ready-made XL bike container. It is advertised as suitable 
for tandems, large mountain bikes and e-Bikes.: 
 https://www.shipbikes.com/xl-bikebox/
*The XL Bikebox.com meets all ground and air shipping requirements for UPS 
and FedEx (which is 72 x 14 x 32 inches or 164 dimensional inches). 
Recommended total shipping weight is 100 pounds. Made in USA. Guaranteed 
for one year on shell, lifetime on metal mounts.*
They'll sell you a new "skin" when your box gets too battered to reuse.
You can also make your own. With the increasing popularity of e-Bikes I was 
able to find a few of those when regular boxes had disappeared this past 
summer. They are big and tough, too. Designed for heavier loads, they'll 
last more trips.
This all assumes ground shipping with shipbikes or bikeflights. The 
airlines will likely be prohibitively expensive, albeit faster.
Best,
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hello  All. 
>
> I am planning a trip out west to help take care of my parents, and I’d 
> like to take my long wheelbase Atlantis and my wife’s Clem, as baggage on 
>  the plane or by shipping them UPS.The wheelbases are so long they appear 
> not to fit in most normal bike travel boxes. 
>
> I know I can use cardboard, but I’d prefer something more permanent I will 
> use long term once the world opens up!
>
> How do you ship your long wheelbase Rivendell when you travel?
>
> Paul
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[RBW] Bump: Removing primer from powdercoat

[Patrick Moore]

Does anyone have any suggestions for removing tendrils of acrylic primer
from powdercoat without damaging the powdercoat? Story below.

Thanks.

When I touched up the bare areas on the seatstays caused by rubbing of a
flat tire during a ~5 mile walk home a while ago, I used acrylic primer and
paint because I had those at hand. Unfortunately, my masking was not as
thorough as I had tried to make it (tip: use masking tape for masking, not
electrician's tape) so that little tendrils of primer escaped and dried on
the powerdercoat.

What is the best way to remove these without harming the powdercoat? They
are not thick, but they resist mineral spirits and I've not tried any other
solvent or mechanical method.


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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[David Johnston]

I have also found on some of the older Rivendell models with 2°-3°
sloping top tubes Bike insights mixes up the  effective top tube and
calls it the actual top tube and then calculates a longer effective
top tube.

-Dave

On 12/18/20, Dave Johnston  wrote:
> I don't know if every model is wrong on Bike insights but when they skip
> the 20mm head-tube extension in the calculated values, the Stack would
> actually be 19mm higher and the reach 6mm Less.
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:13:12 PM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote:
>
>> I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for
>> Rivendell bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension
>> built
>> into Riv's lugs.
>>
>> -Dave J
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
>>> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
>>> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>>>
>>> Johnny
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams 
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Johnny,

 Here's a site for comparing frames:


 https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,






 On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:

 Hello,

 My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from
 time to time on the iBOB group.

 I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
 particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.

 Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a

 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry

 chart.

 An image of the measurements I need is attached.

 I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to

 know.

 If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of
 these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
 distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the
 EU
 would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
 and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.

 I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a
 bike from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)

 Thanks,
 Johnny in Belgium

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Dave Johnston]

I don't know if every model is wrong on Bike insights but when they skip 
the 20mm head-tube extension in the calculated values, the Stack would 
actually be 19mm higher and the reach 6mm Less.

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:13:12 PM UTC-5 Dave Johnston wrote:

> I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for 
> Rivendell bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension built 
> into Riv's lugs. 
>
> -Dave J
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
>> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
>> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>>  
>> 
>>
>> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Johnny,
>>>
>>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from 
>>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>>
>>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
>>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>>>
>>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
>>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
>>> chart.
>>>
>>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>>
>>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to 
>>> know.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of 
>>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most 
>>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU 
>>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>>
>>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a 
>>> bike from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Johnny in Belgium
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Dave Johnston]

I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for Rivendell 
bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension built into 
Riv's lugs. 

-Dave J
On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>  
> 
>
> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>
> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>
> Johnny
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Johnny,
>>
>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from 
>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>
>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>>
>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
>> chart.
>>
>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>
>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to 
>> know.
>>
>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of 
>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most 
>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU 
>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>
>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
>> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Johnny in Belgium
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bleriot by the Lake

[Matthew Williams]

Most excellent, Andy!


On Dec 17, 2020, at 6:58 AM, Andy Williams  wrote:

> From December 2 this year, when we had a record Seattle December heat wave of 
> 60 degrees
> 
> A
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Isn't that the wrong season? Gray and brown and icy here in the high SW 
> desert, at least in the mornings.
> 
> But beautiful!
> 
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 6:27 PM Andy Williams  wrote:
> Just a photo of my Bleriot by Lake Washington from awhile ago, when we had 
> sun and a clear view of Mt. Rainier...
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Matthew Williams]

Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27

Welcome to the list, Johnny!



On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:

> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
> 
> Johnny
> 
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams 
>  wrote:
> Hi Johnny,
> 
> Here's a site for comparing frames:
> 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time 
>> to time on the iBOB group.
>> 
>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
>> 
>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
>> chart.
>> 
>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>> 
>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to know.
>> 
>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these 
>> bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most distinctive 
>> aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU would be to go 
>> custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>> 
>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
>> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Johnny in Belgium
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: How do you ship yer Riv?

[Jay Lonner]

I have thought through this very problem for a while, and so much hinges on how 
frequently you plan to travel with your bikes. If this is a one-off then your 
best move is probably to bite the bullet and just pay the ludicrous oversized 
shipping costs. That adds up quickly though, and if you envision more frequent 
travel I’d look at alternative solutions, like getting S couplers installed. 
In my case I concluded that dedicated travel bikes were the best solution, and 
am expecting a pair of Bike Fridays (or would that be Bikes Friday?) in the 
next few weeks. We went full custom, but good deals are available on the used 
market.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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> On Dec 18, 2020, at 4:17 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's a tough one.  Have you checked with https://www.bikeflights.com/faq ?  
> From discussions here, they seem a good source, and much more customer 
> oriented than common carriers.  I have not used them but would look into next 
> time I ship my bike.
> 
> My 58cm Atlantis is the old, shorter wheelbase & it's like doing Rubik's Cube 
> to get it into a dedicated bike box that the airlines will accept as not 
> being oversize.  The long wheelbase of the newer models could create 
> problems, unless you have a small frame.  The airlines all have weight limits 
> (varies by carrier but 50 lbs is common) that are expensive to exceed.  
> Ground shipment generally has a 70lb limit before extra charges.  
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:
>> Hello  All. 
>> 
>> I am planning a trip out west to help take care of my parents, and I’d like 
>> to take my long wheelbase Atlantis and my wife’s Clem, as baggage on  the 
>> plane or by shipping them UPS.The wheelbases are so long they appear not to 
>> fit in most normal bike travel boxes. 
>> 
>> I know I can use cardboard, but I’d prefer something more permanent I will 
>> use long term once the world opens up!
>> 
>> How do you ship your long wheelbase Rivendell when you travel?
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[Patrick Moore]

I believe you. I wonder if your instance was a production outlier.

Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, I shall
resolutely avoid buying one.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:48 PM James Valiensi  wrote:

> Patrick,
> I’ve mounted hundreds of tapered-square bottom brackets, only one came
> loose and that was because I didn’t tighten it enough.
> This one required much more tightening force than any other one I’ve dealt
> with before (Campy, Shimano, TA, Sugino to mention a few I’ve worked on).
> My RH crank came loose about 4 times, I started to carry a wrench after
> the 2nd time. Finally, I figured I had nothing left to lose and put the
> breaker bar to it. It’s been good for a few thousand miles since.
>
> I’d love to have another on for my Joe Appaloosa. Maybe one day I’ll pony
> up for another (pardon the pun). I would not recommend against it.
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> James's report on the RH crank surprised me, since I have thought that I
> might one day buy one. But this report of loosening does not make me
> confident.
>
> Have others had the same experience with loosening?
>
> Note: I am aware how hard it is to get a response from RH "customer
> service." My method to force things is to post an indignant message of
> complaint on the iBoblist, which seems somehow to chivvy the inert little
> gnomes of service into immediate, ingratiating action. Try it at home.
>
> But back to RH cranks: do they loosen more than, say XD2s and Pro 5 Vises?
> I don't think I've had 1 crank out of scores if not hundreds come loose,
> except for very cheap Indian-made cottered ones that I probably installed
> with the wrong-sized cotter pin, and that was 50 years ago.
>
> I certainly am not doubting James's experience, but I'd like to know
> others'.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Valiensi 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words.
>> The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many
>> years before I pulled the trigger.
>> It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the
>> 1st time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times.
>> The only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I
>> couldn’t believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it
>> down.
>> This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has
>> absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to
>> multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but refuses
>> to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better
>> people.
>>
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[RBW] Clem H 52 gone in record time. Who is the lucky winner?

[Alex K]

Well, that was quick!  Got an email that there was one final Clem H 52cm 
available at 310pm and it was gone by 319pm.  I was considering buying for 
a friend who is looking for that exact bike.  Not only was it marked down 
from $900 to $800, but there was a $100 credit if purchased before 12/31.  
Somebody out there is real stoked and with good reason.  I think it had the 
sloped seatstays, too.   Sheesh, this collecting Rivs is feeling eerily 
like collecting baseball cards 25 years ago.  When do you know you don't 
need anymore precious steel bicycles?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Roberta]

I think the Joe A, but not the Homer, would be the better bike for the hard 
riding you'd like to do. It's a very rugged bike.   You might also want to 
look at Riv's new hilly bikes (I don't know anything about them). or even 
the Clem H.

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Actually I've ridden Big Bend & across the border into Baja & Nuevo Leon 
> many times! Mostly on dirt motorcycles but also some MTB stuff, I love the 
> desert too. I live full time on Dallas (my job is US based) & we're 
> commuting back & forward (well pre-COVID that was the plan at least) as we 
> build a house on Skye. Provided you can stand wind & rain, there's 
> tremendous riding in the Highlands & Islands all within easy reach, the 
> roads get busy with RVs & buses in the summer but the rest of the time it's 
> you & the wee ewes. Look on YouTube for cycling the Northwest 500, the 
> Hebridean Way (a short ferry ride from us) or the West Highland Way, 
> guarantee you'll be packing your bags!
>
> Since my goal is to ride to the trails, then ride the actual trails I'm 
> actually starting to think that I may need something a little more off-road 
> focused than the Rivendell's though? The Kona Sutra ULTD looks like an 
> interesting candidate with relaxed geometry & good 'ol steel bones. Of 
> course, nothing like the exquisite build or the great story of the Rivs...
>
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:08:20 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can't give you much help in answering your question -- my Rivendells 
>> have all been road bikes -- but I can say welcome to the group, and, please 
>> post more photos (and descriptions) of your Scottish riding environment. I 
>> myself live in the high-desert US Southwest, at the polar opposite, 
>> aesthetically and geographically, from your area, but my distant Celtic 
>> roots (Scots Irish on father's paternal side) feel a wave of nostalgia from 
>> such pictures as this one you posted.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:31 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson 
>> bike already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>> overnights.
>> >
>> > From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam 
>> Hillborne or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also 
>> recommended the Appaloosa.
>> >
>> > I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give. 
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: maybe my Medium Susie in blue, $2500 shipped

[i]

still got it. 

new parts..
nitto stem, not the faceplater, and albatross bars.
no seat or pedals

$2400? plz

On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 9:56:15 AM UTC-5 i wrote:

> Some nibbles but still got it
> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 7:55:53 PM UTC-5 i wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is I
>>
>> Igor, Ann Arbor, MI
>>
>> :D
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:56:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it its. I just bought a pair of tires from him, but he signed "Igor" 
>>> for that post, and I recognized the name. On the RBW list, the sender's 
>>> name came across only as "i".
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 3:53 PM Julian Westerhout  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, It is my belief that this for sale post is by long time poster 
 and inveterate bike experimenter Igor B. 

 Julian "I've got a bit of the old yearn to try new bikes, too, so i 
 know it when I see a severe case"  Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 

 On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 4:35:26 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Why don't you add your name?
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:53 PM i  wrote:
>
>> I've changed my mind.
>> S65 post not included. the original stock one is. Knock $100 off the 
>> price. $2400 it is then.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 3:49:40 PM UTC-5 i wrote:
>>
>>> $2500
>>>
>>> Why this price? I dont know, I spit balled it. I'm reluctant to sell 
>>> this bike but I also don't really need it. It takes time to pack a 
>>> bike, 
>>> time I don't have, time is expensive to me right now.
>>>
>>> It's really fun and rides well but..yeah reducing what is in my 
>>> stable would be nice
>>>
>>> Wheels are from the Clem Smith complete, 27.5. Thunderburt tires.
>>> Nitto filet stem, though maybe I keep it and swap for something 
>>> else. Wavie bars. Nitto S65 seatpost. 
>>> SiLVER crank 38/24. Sunrace shifter, just for the back Deore 
>>> derailleur. 9speed cassette. Shimano DXR v-brakes. Sunrace brake 
>>> levers. 
>>> Seat? Not sure I am including that.
>>>
>>> I think I covered it all?
>>>
>>> Rack and bag not included, neither are bottle cages.
>>>
>>> Photo:
>>> https://imgur.com/Yt4wx5q
>>>
>>> So yes, $2500. Seems like a fine price for a bike. Better yet, come 
>>> get it from me in Ann Arbor.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How do you ship yer Riv?

[dougP]

That's a tough one.  Have you checked with https://www.bikeflights.com/faq 
?  From discussions here, they seem a good source, and much more customer 
oriented than common carriers.  I have not used them but would look into 
next time I ship my bike.

My 58cm Atlantis is the old, shorter wheelbase & it's like doing Rubik's 
Cube to get it into a dedicated bike box that the airlines will accept as 
not being oversize.  The long wheelbase of the newer models could create 
problems, unless you have a small frame.  The airlines all have weight 
limits (varies by carrier but 50 lbs is common) that are expensive to 
exceed.  Ground shipment generally has a 70lb limit before extra charges.  

dougP

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hello  All. 
>
> I am planning a trip out west to help take care of my parents, and I’d 
> like to take my long wheelbase Atlantis and my wife’s Clem, as baggage on 
>  the plane or by shipping them UPS.The wheelbases are so long they appear 
> not to fit in most normal bike travel boxes. 
>
> I know I can use cardboard, but I’d prefer something more permanent I will 
> use long term once the world opens up!
>
> How do you ship your long wheelbase Rivendell when you travel?
>
> Paul
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Gage Martin]

Wilbury (frame + fork allegedly never built up) 52cm $2,000 Suffield CT 
https://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/d/suffield-rivendell-mixte-wilbury-frame/7232671951.html

On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 11:19:16 AM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not to beat a dead horse, but Clems are $900 for the frame, $1650 for the 
> very very reasonable stock Riv build, and it would be hard to get out of 
> Walnut Creek without spending at least $2300 on a custom build ($900 
> frame/$1400 build including the $250 minimum labor fee.)   So, a new 
> non-stock, fully-built Clem could not really ever classify as a $900 bike. 
>  Not saying I agree with any of the stylistic choices made on this 
> particular build, but I hate to see anybody lose money, especially on this 
> forum, where I've had such good fortune with buying and selling, and have 
> seen and experienced no small amount of altruism.  Hoping the seller 
> recoups some of their cash!
>
> P.S.  If anybody has a "$900 Clem H' laying around, I'll take 2!
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 6:12:45 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think Joe is still on the high side. Pre-Covid, a used stock Clem H is 
>> a $900 bike (bought and sold my own around that price). This is a nicer 
>> build and crazy times, but not THAT much crazier. I’m guessing $1600 or so 
>> is where it will land. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I personally think that's a $2000 bike but I'm not selling or buying. In 
>>> the end it's worth exactly what buyer and seller agree to and more power to 
>>> 'em. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 7:49:45 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thinking about this $3200 Clem H..Is that way way way too much to 
 ask for this bike?   The frame itself was, what, $800?  With tax, call it 
 $880.  Seems like if you add up all the parts, bike trinkets, etc.. this 
 person probably poured about $3500 total for what looks to be a labour of 
 (possibly misplaced) love?  Coupled with the fact that the Clem H might 
 never make a comeback (though I hear that we might have a Return Of The H 
 advocate in the upper reaches of management at RBW), I think $3200 seems 
 almost fair.  Plus,  does anybody ever pay full price on Craigslist?  Of 
 course, I always end up paying full price and always end up taking the 
 first offer I get, no matter how low it may be, because I have absolutely 
 ZERO negotiating skills.  So I'm thinking the final price here will be 
 $2750, depending on the patience/desperation level of the seller.  
 Definitely not the most elegant build I've seen, and not sure it's the 
 buildout that was intended for old ClemH, but it definitely seems like 
 somebody knew what they wanted, and poured some hard-earned cash into it.  
 Would love to know how much this one fetches.


 On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:35:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh the price is ludicrous. He'll learn this soon enough..
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:33:16 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> At three grand, it should include a guy that follows you around and 
>> polishes it between rides to keep it so clean. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 59cm Clem H, grilver, really clean build. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7247924038.html
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and 
 sites beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be 
 interested. 
 This thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people 
 who 
 are searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check 
 this 
 out!" Here are a few, from today's searches:

 61cm Roadini
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590

 58cm Quickbeam

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html

 52cm Clementine

 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html

 65cm Redwood

 https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.

Johnny

On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Johnny,
>
> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time
> to time on the iBOB group.
>
> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.
>
> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a
> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry
> chart.
>
> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>
> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to
> know.
>
> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these
> bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU
> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>
> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike
> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Johnny in Belgium
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Re: [RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[Josh Brown]

The Fifth Season stuff over at analog is very nice.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 4:06 PM Lucky  wrote:

> Yes, thanks, I wasn't going to list all the ones I have looked at, but I
> have looked at RandiJo. I was sort of looking for just hobby crafter types,
> maybe. I'm spoiled by my Greg bags for sure. It was fun picking the crazy
> fabrics and having the freedom to sort of design it. This go round I want
> to add a pocket to the bag and that's probably not something one of the...I
> hate to say "larger" because they're mostly not...but a place that's not
> doing one bag at a time would do.
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> Is https://www.randijofab.com on your radar at all? Her stock items are
>> nice, and she may be open to custom bag orders as well. I recently ordered
>> a cap in a custom configuration and it wasn’t a hassle at all.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Lucky  wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>>
>> I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike
>> bags) and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland on
>> Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders.
>>
>> I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm looking
>> for something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I can't
>> seem to find "off the shelf".
>>
>> Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right
>> now or who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already seen?
>>
>> By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a large
>> bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a drawstring.
>>
>> Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)
>>
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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I am leaving this first post intact in case any list members wish to 
communicate with Deacon directly. 

Please note - as stated (to paraphrase a certain bike company..."ever since 
2007"):
"*RBW Owners Bunch - Dedicated to the discussion of Rivendell Bicycles and 
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Ride reports encouraged, as is a respectful, supportive and polite tone in 
all posts."

Since we had several contentious conversations develop in this past year, 
I've simplified the moderation:
- Off-topic posts are removed. 
- Members who continue to advance off-topic threads and commentary are 
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On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>
>
> Note
>  
> that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments expressed 
> about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and good wishes.
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Re: [RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[Collin A]

Awesome! Shoot him an email first, just to make sure he is able to work on 
them/has stock. He has been a busy guy these last few weeks.

Collin, Sactown

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:47:19 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> Yes! Perfect! My town. 
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 14:36, Collin A  wrote:
>
> This guy is local to Sacramento and does it on the side:
>
> https://www.cyclecatsdesign.com/ 
>
> He does waxed canvas.
>
> Also this guy:
> https://www.petercaneza.com/snackbags
>
> Haven't used them, but apparently you can send old fabrics/gear and he can 
> make the bag out of it for you.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sacramento
>
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:26:40 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Yes, I am familiar with Makeshifter, they make nice bags. They're not 
>> making custom bags as they are very busy making and delivering the stock 
>> bags they currently make and sell. I'm familiar with the bags sold by 
>> Simworks, and Golden Pliers and similar bike shops (all the Riv dealers). 
>> I'm really looking for a hobby crafter person like Greg, who maybe does 
>> this on the side, or is just starting out,  or is trying to get their 
>> product out there. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Makeshifter in Portland. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:06:30 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Yes, thanks, I wasn't going to list all the ones I have looked at, but 
 I have looked at RandiJo. I was sort of looking for just hobby crafter 
 types, maybe. I'm spoiled by my Greg bags for sure. It was fun picking the 
 crazy fabrics and having the freedom to sort of design it. This go round I 
 want to add a pocket to the bag and that's probably not something one of 
 the...I hate to say "larger" because they're mostly not...but a place 
 that's not doing one bag at a time would do. 

 On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Is https://www.randijofab.com on your radar at all? Her stock items 
> are nice, and she may be open to custom bag orders as well. I recently 
> ordered a cap in a custom configuration and it wasn’t a hassle at all. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Lucky  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
>
> I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike 
> bags) and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland 
> on 
> Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders. 
>
> I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm 
> looking for something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I 
> can't seem to find "off the shelf". 
>
> Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right 
> now or who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already seen? 
>
> By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a 
> large bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a 
> drawstring. 
>
> Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)
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[RBW] Re: Replace my Atlantis ?

[Grandy]

Sean, I have a new 55cm MIT Atlantis, the smallest frame size designed for 
700c wheels. Riv has conflicting information on their website in regards to 
maximum 700c/29er tire size.  2.2 and 2.4 is mentioned. In my experience, 
experimenting with different tires, I would only fit 2.1's or smaller, 
unless you are sticking to pavement. Numerous sticks and rocks got caught 
between the frame/fork and tire with 2.2's.  

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 8:50:36 AM UTC-8 Sean Cleary wrote:

> Hey Doug (and others who know new model)- do you recall approximately what 
> size tire was on the new Atlantis you rode that rode so well? I'm looking 
> to create a 700 x 2.3" bike with a Jones H bar. Anyone else have experience 
> on big tire Rivs? The new Clems and Gus Boots just don't appeal to me. Wish 
> there were still Bombadils and Hunquapillar (sp?) to choose from.
>
> Background: a long time Homer Hilsen owner which has been an excellent 
> jack of all trades but a master of none. I find it too jarring on some 
> pavement surface despite large tires. Esthetically, Atlantis has always 
> been my favorite Rivendell. I realize a Jones bar is a weird element on a 
> Riv but it's become my favorite bar as I grow older...and older.
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 10:22:48 PM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> Replace, or add to?
>>
>> I have a Toyo Atlantis with 26" wheels, and don't think I'll ever part 
>> with it. It's too useful, as a Jack-of-all-trades. Fastest? Nope. Lightest? 
>> Nope. Not even close. Fanciest? Nope. But it's set up with fenders, racks, 
>> wide gear range, and dynamo lights, and it's as comfy and no-nonsense as 
>> they come. If I'm not sure know where I'm going, I'll slap on a pannier and 
>> take the Atlantis.
>>
>> I've thought about selling my Rivendell All-Rounder (with the 753 
>> tubeset) and Boulder All-Road (with "skinny" tubing). I've even thought 
>> about selling my Colnago Master and Seven Ti Axiom. And I've actually 
>> *sold* my Surly LHT and Litespeed Blue Ridge. But I've never considered 
>> selling my Atlantis. In fact, I like it so much I got my son one too.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:53:08 PM UTC-8 Peter Forde wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 28D2644F-06A5-4181-9EBB-6C351B65BA2B.jpeg]
>>> I’ve had my 58cm Toyo Atlantis since 2002.
>>> It has taken me on numerous 1000+ mile tours, 400k brevets and has kept 
>>> me smiling for many, many miles.
>>> Workhorse it is, but I am thinking of perhaps a lighter, more subtle 
>>> frame.  Any ideas or suggestions (Riv or otherwise)?
>>> P.S.  I do like a front, rack mounted bag but don’t have to go crazy 
>>> with lower trail and want to keep my 700c wheels.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Peter
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Replace my Atlantis ?

[Grandy]

Sean, I have Jones bars on all my bikes, including my Atlantis. I also own 
a Jones Plus LWB. My MIT Atlantis with 29x2.1's rides smoother than my 
Jones with 29x2.6's. Both bikes have a 1200 mm wheelbase, give or take a 
few mm, which I found interesting. If you do run Jones bars with a 1" quill 
stem, stick to a steel stem. Aluminum stems are too flexy, from my 
experience.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 8:50:36 AM UTC-8 Sean Cleary wrote:

> Hey Doug (and others who know new model)- do you recall approximately what 
> size tire was on the new Atlantis you rode that rode so well? I'm looking 
> to create a 700 x 2.3" bike with a Jones H bar. Anyone else have experience 
> on big tire Rivs? The new Clems and Gus Boots just don't appeal to me. Wish 
> there were still Bombadils and Hunquapillar (sp?) to choose from.
>
> Background: a long time Homer Hilsen owner which has been an excellent 
> jack of all trades but a master of none. I find it too jarring on some 
> pavement surface despite large tires. Esthetically, Atlantis has always 
> been my favorite Rivendell. I realize a Jones bar is a weird element on a 
> Riv but it's become my favorite bar as I grow older...and older.
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 10:22:48 PM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> Replace, or add to?
>>
>> I have a Toyo Atlantis with 26" wheels, and don't think I'll ever part 
>> with it. It's too useful, as a Jack-of-all-trades. Fastest? Nope. Lightest? 
>> Nope. Not even close. Fanciest? Nope. But it's set up with fenders, racks, 
>> wide gear range, and dynamo lights, and it's as comfy and no-nonsense as 
>> they come. If I'm not sure know where I'm going, I'll slap on a pannier and 
>> take the Atlantis.
>>
>> I've thought about selling my Rivendell All-Rounder (with the 753 
>> tubeset) and Boulder All-Road (with "skinny" tubing). I've even thought 
>> about selling my Colnago Master and Seven Ti Axiom. And I've actually 
>> *sold* my Surly LHT and Litespeed Blue Ridge. But I've never considered 
>> selling my Atlantis. In fact, I like it so much I got my son one too.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:53:08 PM UTC-8 Peter Forde wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 28D2644F-06A5-4181-9EBB-6C351B65BA2B.jpeg]
>>> I’ve had my 58cm Toyo Atlantis since 2002.
>>> It has taken me on numerous 1000+ mile tours, 400k brevets and has kept 
>>> me smiling for many, many miles.
>>> Workhorse it is, but I am thinking of perhaps a lighter, more subtle 
>>> frame.  Any ideas or suggestions (Riv or otherwise)?
>>> P.S.  I do like a front, rack mounted bag but don’t have to go crazy 
>>> with lower trail and want to keep my 700c wheels.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Johnny,

Here's a site for comparing frames:

https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,






On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time to 
> time on the iBOB group.
> 
> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 
> 
> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 57cm 
> Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry chart.
> 
> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
> 
> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to know.
> 
> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these 
> bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most distinctive 
> aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU would be to go 
> custom. I do have a bakfiets,
> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
> 
> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> Johnny in Belgium
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[RBW] How do you ship yer Riv?

[Paul in Vermont]

Hello  All. 

I am planning a trip out west to help take care of my parents, and I’d like 
to take my long wheelbase Atlantis and my wife’s Clem, as baggage on  the 
plane or by shipping them UPS.The wheelbases are so long they appear not to 
fit in most normal bike travel boxes. 

I know I can use cardboard, but I’d prefer something more permanent I will 
use long term once the world opens up!

How do you ship your long wheelbase Rivendell when you travel?

Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[Trevor Bradshaw]

Wow! I have a 1999 Riv Road. Definitely have put some loving wear on mine.
Yours looks brand new.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:30 AM Damien  wrote:

> Well, wow. This is a really lovely Riv. Thanks for sharing.
>
> Fun fact: your bike is legal drinking age in Canada!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else a paranoid mechanic?

[johnboy]

All of the above and then I spin the wheel with tire at pressure and look 
for any wobbles, bulges or such in the tire. If something is amiss , reduce 
pressure and check for tube under the bead or pull on the tire to achieve 
that sometimes elusive evenness with rim. Spin and repeat as needed. John

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 7:06:30 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I mainly worry the 1st time I ride a set of wheels that I built myself 
> down a long hill or mountain.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 10:02:53 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Laing!
>> Thanks for that write up! Most of those are the tips/things I definitely 
>> did after my downhill blowout. I'll likely try the max PSI trick and 
>> inspect the raised line again. I think I got it nailed and figured out, I 
>> just wondered if anyone who checks the boxes and learns from their mistakes 
>> still has that creeping feeling that it's all going to fall apart. 
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> There are two things.
>>> One. Push the entire tire, both sides, to the center of the rim off of 
>>> the bead seat before inflating so that you can see that there is no tube 
>>> under the tire.
>>> Two. inflate the tire in stages - 1st inflate the tire to 15-20 PSIG and 
>>> then inspect the tire to rim interface. On all tires, there is a molded-in, 
>>> small, raised line around the tire just above the tire-rim interface. At 
>>> low pressures, this may still be below the rim, if there are any places 
>>> where this line is a noticeable distance from the rim, it may indicate a 
>>> problem - deflate, inspect, adjust. As you raise the pressure in stages the 
>>> line should eventually even out at a constant distance from the rim as it 
>>> seats on the rim - you can pull on the tire at the low and intermediate 
>>> pressures to help it out. Some tires seat immediately, some require a lot 
>>> of fiddling. It may require going to the tire maximum pressure to seat the 
>>> tire. Then you can release pressure as required. This is generally only 
>>> required for new tires, they kind of take a set as they break in and 
>>> stretch.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Still uses tubes
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 9:11:36 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!
 I just threw on Schwalbe Marathon Winter tires (700x40) on the 
 Atlantis. Sad to see the Shikoros all deflated and and sitting in the 
 corner, but it was either they take a timeout or I don't ride to work. 
 Easy 
 choice.

 So I've been riding as an adult over a year now and started with an 
 affordable Linus with 28mm tires and promptly got a flat my third or 
 fourth 
 time out on it. I took the wheel over, unseated the bead, got the tube 
 out, 
 patched it, put it back in, reseated the bead, yadda yadda yadda, BOOM. No 
 issue. Had another flat this last summer and had to repair it while on the 
 way home from picking up a crowler of beer...very stressful, almost lost 
 my 
 wrench, but got it done, not a problem! 

 Later this last summer as piece-by-piece Riv'd up my Linus, I wen to 
 35mm tires. Took off the old ones, did all the steps, and as I was pumping 
 up the front tire, the tube blew out (some tube was under the 
 bead...DOH!). 
 So I laughed it off, changed the tube, did the rear wheel, and went out 
 for 
 a ride. All was going well, then on a fast descent, when I started 
 breaking 
 I heard an awful thud-thud-thud-thud that was getting louder and BANG! I 
 screwed up the back wheel, too! So re-did both tires, used soapy water, 
 thought about using talc, but I couldn't find any locally and Sheldon 
 Brown 
 says it does nothing...I never had another problem.

 So I guess I'm wondering this (if you've managed to read this far)...at 
 what point can you be absolutely sure that tube is not pinched between 
 bead 
 and rim? Can you ever be sure? is my bike a ticking time bomb? :)

 Just wanted to share my neurotic thoughts as I rode to work, traversing 
 ice for the first time ever! 

 Ben "IT'S GONNA BLOW" in Omaha

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Jordan Dean]

Yeah, I am really happy with how it turned out also.  It was a fun project.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7247924038.html

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 11:05:29 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 59cm Clem H, grilver, really clean build. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7247924038.html
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
>> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
>> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
>> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
>> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>>
>> 61cm Roadini
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>>
>> 58cm Quickbeam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>>
>> 52cm Clementine
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>>
>> 65cm Redwood
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
>>
>

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[RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

Hello,

My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from time 
to time on the iBOB group.

I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm 
particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa. 

Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a 
57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry 
chart.

An image of the measurements I need is attached.

I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to 
know.

If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of these 
bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most 
distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU 
would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.

I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike 
from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)

Thanks,
Johnny in Belgium

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[RBW] Re: Anyone else a paranoid mechanic?

[EverRed]

Pump the tire up until it’s slightly firm, then squeeze it as you peak 
between rim and tire and you will see if the tube is pinched.  Of course go 
around the whole wheel on both sides.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 9:11:36 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
> I just threw on Schwalbe Marathon Winter tires (700x40) on the Atlantis. 
> Sad to see the Shikoros all deflated and and sitting in the corner, but it 
> was either they take a timeout or I don't ride to work. Easy choice.
>
> So I've been riding as an adult over a year now and started with an 
> affordable Linus with 28mm tires and promptly got a flat my third or fourth 
> time out on it. I took the wheel over, unseated the bead, got the tube out, 
> patched it, put it back in, reseated the bead, yadda yadda yadda, BOOM. No 
> issue. Had another flat this last summer and had to repair it while on the 
> way home from picking up a crowler of beer...very stressful, almost lost my 
> wrench, but got it done, not a problem! 
>
> Later this last summer as piece-by-piece Riv'd up my Linus, I wen to 35mm 
> tires. Took off the old ones, did all the steps, and as I was pumping up 
> the front tire, the tube blew out (some tube was under the bead...DOH!). So 
> I laughed it off, changed the tube, did the rear wheel, and went out for a 
> ride. All was going well, then on a fast descent, when I started breaking I 
> heard an awful thud-thud-thud-thud that was getting louder and BANG! I 
> screwed up the back wheel, too! So re-did both tires, used soapy water, 
> thought about using talc, but I couldn't find any locally and Sheldon Brown 
> says it does nothing...I never had another problem.
>
> So I guess I'm wondering this (if you've managed to read this far)...at 
> what point can you be absolutely sure that tube is not pinched between bead 
> and rim? Can you ever be sure? is my bike a ticking time bomb? :)
>
> Just wanted to share my neurotic thoughts as I rode to work, traversing 
> ice for the first time ever! 
>
> Ben "IT'S GONNA BLOW" in Omaha
>

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[RBW] Bridgestone CBO City Bike 53 cm for sale

[Bruce d]

Available for local pickup in SF Bay Area.  It is being sold by a friend.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-bridgestone-cb0-city-bike/7241278301.html

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Re: [RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[luckyturnip]

Yes! Perfect! My town. 

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 14:36, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> This guy is local to Sacramento and does it on the side:
> https://www.cyclecatsdesign.com/ 
> 
> He does waxed canvas.
> 
> Also this guy:
> https://www.petercaneza.com/snackbags
> 
> Haven't used them, but apparently you can send old fabrics/gear and he can 
> make the bag out of it for you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sacramento
> 
> 
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:26:40 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>> Yes, I am familiar with Makeshifter, they make nice bags. They're not making 
>> custom bags as they are very busy making and delivering the stock bags they 
>> currently make and sell. I'm familiar with the bags sold by Simworks, and 
>> Golden Pliers and similar bike shops (all the Riv dealers). I'm really 
>> looking for a hobby crafter person like Greg, who maybe does this on the 
>> side, or is just starting out,  or is trying to get their product out there. 
>> 
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> Makeshifter in Portland. 
>>> 
 On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:06:30 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
 Yes, thanks, I wasn't going to list all the ones I have looked at, but I 
 have looked at RandiJo. I was sort of looking for just hobby crafter 
 types, maybe. I'm spoiled by my Greg bags for sure. It was fun picking the 
 crazy fabrics and having the freedom to sort of design it. This go round I 
 want to add a pocket to the bag and that's probably not something one of 
 the...I hate to say "larger" because they're mostly not...but a place 
 that's not doing one bag at a time would do. 
 
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
> Is https://www.randijofab.com on your radar at all? Her stock items are 
> nice, and she may be open to custom bag orders as well. I recently 
> ordered a cap in a custom configuration and it wasn’t a hassle at all. 
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> Sent from my Atari 400
> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Lucky  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hey all,
> 
>> 
>> I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike 
>> bags) and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland 
>> on Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders. 
>> 
>> I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm looking 
>> for something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I can't 
>> seem to find "off the shelf". 
>> 
>> Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right 
>> now or who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already 
>> seen? 
>> 
>> By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a large 
>> bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a drawstring. 
>> 
>> Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)
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Re: [RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[Collin A]

This guy is local to Sacramento and does it on the side:
https://www.cyclecatsdesign.com/ 

He does waxed canvas.

Also this guy:
https://www.petercaneza.com/snackbags

Haven't used them, but apparently you can send old fabrics/gear and he can 
make the bag out of it for you.

Cheers,
Collin in Sacramento


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:26:40 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> Yes, I am familiar with Makeshifter, they make nice bags. They're not 
> making custom bags as they are very busy making and delivering the stock 
> bags they currently make and sell. I'm familiar with the bags sold by 
> Simworks, and Golden Pliers and similar bike shops (all the Riv dealers). 
> I'm really looking for a hobby crafter person like Greg, who maybe does 
> this on the side, or is just starting out,  or is trying to get their 
> product out there. 
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Makeshifter in Portland. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:06:30 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, thanks, I wasn't going to list all the ones I have looked at, but I 
>>> have looked at RandiJo. I was sort of looking for just hobby crafter types, 
>>> maybe. I'm spoiled by my Greg bags for sure. It was fun picking the crazy 
>>> fabrics and having the freedom to sort of design it. This go round I want 
>>> to add a pocket to the bag and that's probably not something one of the...I 
>>> hate to say "larger" because they're mostly not...but a place that's not 
>>> doing one bag at a time would do. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>>
 Is https://www.randijofab.com on your radar at all? Her stock items 
 are nice, and she may be open to custom bag orders as well. I recently 
 ordered a cap in a custom configuration and it wasn’t a hassle at all. 

 Jay Lonner
 Bellingham, WA

 Sent from my Atari 400

 On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Lucky  wrote:

 Hey all,


 I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike 
 bags) and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland on 
 Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders. 

 I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm looking 
 for something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I can't 
 seem to find "off the shelf". 

 Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right 
 now or who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already seen? 

 By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a large 
 bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a drawstring. 

 Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)

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Re: [RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[Lucky]

Yes, I am familiar with Makeshifter, they make nice bags. They're not 
making custom bags as they are very busy making and delivering the stock 
bags they currently make and sell. I'm familiar with the bags sold by 
Simworks, and Golden Pliers and similar bike shops (all the Riv dealers). 
I'm really looking for a hobby crafter person like Greg, who maybe does 
this on the side, or is just starting out,  or is trying to get their 
product out there. 

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Makeshifter in Portland. 
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:06:30 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Yes, thanks, I wasn't going to list all the ones I have looked at, but I 
>> have looked at RandiJo. I was sort of looking for just hobby crafter types, 
>> maybe. I'm spoiled by my Greg bags for sure. It was fun picking the crazy 
>> fabrics and having the freedom to sort of design it. This go round I want 
>> to add a pocket to the bag and that's probably not something one of the...I 
>> hate to say "larger" because they're mostly not...but a place that's not 
>> doing one bag at a time would do. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> Is https://www.randijofab.com on your radar at all? Her stock items are 
>>> nice, and she may be open to custom bag orders as well. I recently ordered 
>>> a cap in a custom configuration and it wasn’t a hassle at all. 
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Lucky  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>>
>>> I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike 
>>> bags) and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland on 
>>> Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders. 
>>>
>>> I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm looking 
>>> for something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I can't 
>>> seem to find "off the shelf". 
>>>
>>> Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right 
>>> now or who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already seen? 
>>>
>>> By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a large 
>>> bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a drawstring. 
>>>
>>> Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)
>>>
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Re: [RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[Lucky]

Yes, thanks, I wasn't going to list all the ones I have looked at, but I 
have looked at RandiJo. I was sort of looking for just hobby crafter types, 
maybe. I'm spoiled by my Greg bags for sure. It was fun picking the crazy 
fabrics and having the freedom to sort of design it. This go round I want 
to add a pocket to the bag and that's probably not something one of the...I 
hate to say "larger" because they're mostly not...but a place that's not 
doing one bag at a time would do. 

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 1:02:33 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Is https://www.randijofab.com on your radar at all? Her stock items are 
> nice, and she may be open to custom bag orders as well. I recently ordered 
> a cap in a custom configuration and it wasn’t a hassle at all. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Lucky  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
>
> I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike 
> bags) and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland on 
> Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders. 
>
> I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm looking 
> for something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I can't 
> seem to find "off the shelf". 
>
> Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right now 
> or who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already seen? 
>
> By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a large 
> bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a drawstring. 
>
> Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)
>
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Re: [RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[Jay Lonner]

Is https://www.randijofab.com on your radar at all? Her stock items are nice, 
and she may be open to custom bag orders as well. I recently ordered a cap in a 
custom configuration and it wasn’t a hassle at all. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Lucky  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike bags) 
> and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland on 
> Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders. 
> 
> I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm looking for 
> something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I can't seem to 
> find "off the shelf". 
> 
> Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right now or 
> who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already seen? 
> 
> By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a large 
> bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a drawstring. 
> 
> Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)
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[RBW] handlebar snack/Nalgene/Hydro bags

[Lucky]

Hey all,

I found a guy who makes handlebar snack bags (amongst many other bike bags) 
and I love the ones I got from him very much (he is @greg.newland on 
Instagram) but he's currently not taking custom orders. 

I know there are a lot of commercially made bags online but I'm looking for 
something interesting and fun, crazy fabrics and so on that I can't seem to 
find "off the shelf". 

Anyone want to recommend an individual who is taking commissions right now 
or who maybe isn't one of the big name places that I've already seen? 

By "snack bag" I mean those tube shaped stem bags that can hold a large 
bottle or a mess of snacks, or whatever, typically with a drawstring. 

Again, looking for individuals here more than companies (Chrome, etc)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[James Valiensi]

Patrick,
I’ve mounted hundreds of tapered-square bottom brackets, only one came loose 
and that was because I didn’t tighten it enough. 
This one required much more tightening force than any other one I’ve dealt with 
before (Campy, Shimano, TA, Sugino to mention a few I’ve worked on). 
My RH crank came loose about 4 times, I started to carry a wrench after the 2nd 
time. Finally, I figured I had nothing left to lose and put the breaker bar to 
it. It’s been good for a few thousand miles since.

I’d love to have another on for my Joe Appaloosa. Maybe one day I’ll pony up 
for another (pardon the pun). I would not recommend against it.  

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> James's report on the RH crank surprised me, since I have thought that I 
> might one day buy one. But this report of loosening does not make me 
> confident.
> 
> Have others had the same experience with loosening?
> 
> Note: I am aware how hard it is to get a response from RH "customer service." 
> My method to force things is to post an indignant message of complaint on the 
> iBoblist, which seems somehow to chivvy the inert little gnomes of service 
> into immediate, ingratiating action. Try it at home.
> 
> But back to RH cranks: do they loosen more than, say XD2s and Pro 5 Vises? I 
> don't think I've had 1 crank out of scores if not hundreds come loose, except 
> for very cheap Indian-made cottered ones that I probably installed with the 
> wrong-sized cotter pin, and that was 50 years ago.
> 
> I certainly am not doubting James's experience, but I'd like to know others'.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Valiensi  > wrote:
> Thanks for the kind words.
> The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many years 
> before I pulled the trigger.
> It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the 1st 
> time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times. The 
> only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I couldn’t 
> believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it down.
> This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has 
> absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to 
> multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but refuses 
> to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better 
> people.
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[George Schick]

Joe - I keep referring to him as "Deacon" in order to avoid confusion with 
the other Patrick.  He is a real deacon, BTW, in his local Roman Catholic 
congregation, something he takes very seriously.


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:33:01 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Let me say this about that: His name is Patrick. Patrick the Deacon. 
>
> Bernard Joe
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Steve - Deacon used the phrase "rise of the cancel culture" in his reply 
>> to Patrick's inquiry.  The author of the review of that book I cited 
>> carefully discusses the intersection of conflicting views that eventually 
>> result in the refusal to pay attention to any of them under the guise of 
>> some kind of oppression (the need of one side to seize power over another). 
>>  IOW, one can't say anything about almost anything in the public realm 
>> nowadays without someone pointing to the fact that whatever was said is 
>> discriminatory in some way against someone else.  These, as the critical 
>> reviewer points out, are the "roots of 'wokeness' ", or a person who 
>> is supposedly alert and sensitive to oppressive statements and has the 
>> ability to point out the errors of others who made the remarks.
>>
>> I've corresponded off-line with Deacon in the past and have a good 
>> impression of his views and beliefs and that's why I attached that file - 
>> for additional  edification on the matter.  But we'd better knock it off or 
>> else this thread is going to wind up getting nixed, as well.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-6 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>> The material discussed in the attached file has no relevance to this 
>>> list at all that I can see.
>>> On 12/18/20 1:44 PM, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> I think he's responding to issues cited in the attached file.  I 
>>> carefully decided not to follow the threads in the "reparations" post so 
>>> I'm not sure exactly what was said that triggered his withdrawal from the 
>>> group, but reading the critique will give you the basic crux of what he's 
>>> objecting to. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is 
 corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a couple 
 year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as some of my 
 first. 

 But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had to 
 reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what censorship he is 
 talking about? I don't want to dig up old wounds just to satisfy my 
 curiosity, so if it's better left unsaid that is fine. But censorship 
 isn't 
 something I ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't 
 changed 
 in those intervening years.

 Ben

 On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Spectacular response
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>>
>> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>>
>> Note that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the 
>> sentiments expressed about him, but simply said that many had expressed 
>> interest and good wishes.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[George Schick]

Steve, again - as I stated previously, I did not follow the thread that 
involved the discussion of "reparations," but some remark that someone made 
must have been taken as hostile to a reply that Deacon made.  Hence, he 
(wisely) decided to back out of the list entirely because he evidently felt 
personally affronted.  It doesn't happen often here, but it does happen - 
low carb diets, helmets, etc.  Fortunately, our moderator catches many of 
these early-on and deletes the post entirely.  But he has a full time job 
and and only do so much. Then again, our moderator occasionally gets 
accosted for doing so too, as in the blow up incident over BLM a while back 
which he deleted.
Anyway, I'm outta here.


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:30:31 PM UTC-6 Steve Palincsar wrote:

> Regardless of the merits (or lack thereof) of those arguments, in no way 
> do they affect what goes on on this list that I can see.  Can you show me 
> any instances where I'm incorrect about that?
> On 12/18/20 3:21 PM, George Schick wrote:
>
> Steve - Deacon used the phrase "rise of the cancel culture" in his reply 
> to Patrick's inquiry.  The author of the review of that book I cited 
> carefully discusses the intersection of conflicting views that eventually 
> result in the refusal to pay attention to any of them under the guise of 
> some kind of oppression (the need of one side to seize power over another). 
>  IOW, one can't say anything about almost anything in the public realm 
> nowadays without someone pointing to the fact that whatever was said is 
> discriminatory in some way against someone else.  These, as the critical 
> reviewer points out, are the "roots of 'wokeness' ", or a person who 
> is supposedly alert and sensitive to oppressive statements and has the 
> ability to point out the errors of others who made the remarks. 
>
> I've corresponded off-line with Deacon in the past and have a good 
> impression of his views and beliefs and that's why I attached that file - 
> for additional  edification on the matter.  But we'd better knock it off or 
> else this thread is going to wind up getting nixed, as well.
>
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-6 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>> The material discussed in the attached file has no relevance to this list 
>> at all that I can see.
>> On 12/18/20 1:44 PM, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> I think he's responding to issues cited in the attached file.  I 
>> carefully decided not to follow the threads in the "reparations" post so 
>> I'm not sure exactly what was said that triggered his withdrawal from the 
>> group, but reading the critique will give you the basic crux of what he's 
>> objecting to. 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is 
>>> corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a couple 
>>> year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as some of my 
>>> first. 
>>>
>>> But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had to 
>>> reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what censorship he is 
>>> talking about? I don't want to dig up old wounds just to satisfy my 
>>> curiosity, so if it's better left unsaid that is fine. But censorship isn't 
>>> something I ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't changed 
>>> in those intervening years.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Spectacular response

 On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>
> Note that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments 
> expressed about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and 
> good wishes.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Michael Ullmer]

Ding Ding! That Acorn Musette is just what I was looking for! Got one 
ordered and on the way. I agree with Toshi, I was shocked to see that an 
Acorn product was actually in stock.

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:08:51 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> Wow, an acornbags product that is actually in stock (at least as of now)!
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:47 AM Dave S  wrote:
>
>> https://acornbags.com/products/musette-bag
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:16:56 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of 
>>> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured 
>>> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it 
>>> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more 
>>> than the bag allows.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
>>> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
>>> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
>>> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
>>> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>>>
>>> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv 
>>> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not 
>>> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
>>> johns make these pants a dream.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Joe Bernard]

Let me say this about that: His name is Patrick. Patrick the Deacon. 

Bernard Joe

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Steve - Deacon used the phrase "rise of the cancel culture" in his reply 
> to Patrick's inquiry.  The author of the review of that book I cited 
> carefully discusses the intersection of conflicting views that eventually 
> result in the refusal to pay attention to any of them under the guise of 
> some kind of oppression (the need of one side to seize power over another). 
>  IOW, one can't say anything about almost anything in the public realm 
> nowadays without someone pointing to the fact that whatever was said is 
> discriminatory in some way against someone else.  These, as the critical 
> reviewer points out, are the "roots of 'wokeness' ", or a person who 
> is supposedly alert and sensitive to oppressive statements and has the 
> ability to point out the errors of others who made the remarks.
>
> I've corresponded off-line with Deacon in the past and have a good 
> impression of his views and beliefs and that's why I attached that file - 
> for additional  edification on the matter.  But we'd better knock it off or 
> else this thread is going to wind up getting nixed, as well.
>
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-6 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>> The material discussed in the attached file has no relevance to this list 
>> at all that I can see.
>> On 12/18/20 1:44 PM, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> I think he's responding to issues cited in the attached file.  I 
>> carefully decided not to follow the threads in the "reparations" post so 
>> I'm not sure exactly what was said that triggered his withdrawal from the 
>> group, but reading the critique will give you the basic crux of what he's 
>> objecting to. 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is 
>>> corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a couple 
>>> year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as some of my 
>>> first. 
>>>
>>> But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had to 
>>> reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what censorship he is 
>>> talking about? I don't want to dig up old wounds just to satisfy my 
>>> curiosity, so if it's better left unsaid that is fine. But censorship isn't 
>>> something I ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't changed 
>>> in those intervening years.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Spectacular response

 On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>
> Note that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments 
> expressed about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and 
> good wishes.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Steve Palincsar]

Regardless of the merits (or lack thereof) of those arguments, in no way 
do they affect what goes on on this list that I can see.  Can you show 
me any instances where I'm incorrect about that?


On 12/18/20 3:21 PM, George Schick wrote:
Steve - Deacon used the phrase "rise of the cancel culture" in his 
reply to Patrick's inquiry.  The author of the review of that book I 
cited carefully discusses the intersection of conflicting views that 
eventually result in the refusal to pay attention to any of them under 
the guise of some kind of oppression (the need of one side to seize 
power over another).  IOW, one can't say anything about almost 
anything in the public realm nowadays without someone pointing to the 
fact that whatever was said is discriminatory in some way against 
someone else.  These, as the critical reviewer points out, are the 
"roots of 'wokeness' ", or a person who is supposedly alert and 
sensitive to oppressive statements and has the ability to point out 
the errors of others who made the remarks.


I've corresponded off-line with Deacon in the past and have a good 
impression of his views and beliefs and that's why I attached that 
file - for additional  edification on the matter.  But we'd better 
knock it off or else this thread is going to wind up getting nixed, as 
well.



On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-6 Steve Palincsar wrote:

The material discussed in the attached file has no relevance to
this list at all that I can see.

On 12/18/20 1:44 PM, George Schick wrote:

I think he's responding to issues cited in the attached file.  I
carefully decided not to follow the threads in the "reparations"
post so I'm not sure exactly what was said that triggered his
withdrawal from the group, but reading the critique will give you
the basic crux of what he's objecting to.


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:

I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally
is corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch
after a couple year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading
his words as some of my first.

But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I
had to reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea
what censorship he is talking about? I don't want to dig up
old wounds just to satisfy my curiosity, so if it's better
left unsaid that is fine. But censorship isn't something I
ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't
changed in those intervening years.

Ben

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8
ack...@gmail.com wrote:

Spectacular response

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick
Moore wrote:


https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group

Note that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look
at the sentiments expressed about him, but simply
said that many had expressed interest and good wishes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[George Schick]

Steve - Deacon used the phrase "rise of the cancel culture" in his reply to 
Patrick's inquiry.  The author of the review of that book I cited carefully 
discusses the intersection of conflicting views that eventually result in 
the refusal to pay attention to any of them under the guise of some kind of 
oppression (the need of one side to seize power over another).  IOW, one 
can't say anything about almost anything in the public realm nowadays 
without someone pointing to the fact that whatever was said is 
discriminatory in some way against someone else.  These, as the critical 
reviewer points out, are the "roots of 'wokeness' ", or a person who 
is supposedly alert and sensitive to oppressive statements and has the 
ability to point out the errors of others who made the remarks.

I've corresponded off-line with Deacon in the past and have a good 
impression of his views and beliefs and that's why I attached that file - 
for additional  edification on the matter.  But we'd better knock it off or 
else this thread is going to wind up getting nixed, as well.


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-6 Steve Palincsar wrote:

> The material discussed in the attached file has no relevance to this list 
> at all that I can see.
> On 12/18/20 1:44 PM, George Schick wrote:
>
> I think he's responding to issues cited in the attached file.  I carefully 
> decided not to follow the threads in the "reparations" post so I'm not sure 
> exactly what was said that triggered his withdrawal from the group, but 
> reading the critique will give you the basic crux of what he's objecting 
> to. 
>
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is 
>> corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a couple 
>> year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as some of my 
>> first. 
>>
>> But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had to 
>> reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what censorship he is 
>> talking about? I don't want to dig up old wounds just to satisfy my 
>> curiosity, so if it's better left unsaid that is fine. But censorship isn't 
>> something I ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't changed 
>> in those intervening years.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Spectacular response
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>

 https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group

 Note that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments 
 expressed about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and 
 good wishes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Steve Palincsar]

The material discussed in the attached file has no relevance to this 
list at all that I can see.


On 12/18/20 1:44 PM, George Schick wrote:
I think he's responding to issues cited in the attached file.  I 
carefully decided not to follow the threads in the "reparations" post 
so I'm not sure exactly what was said that triggered his withdrawal 
from the group, but reading the critique will give you the basic crux 
of what he's objecting to.



On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:

I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is
corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a
couple year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as
some of my first.

But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had
to reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what
censorship he is talking about? I don't want to dig up old wounds
just to satisfy my curiosity, so if it's better left unsaid that
is fine. But censorship isn't something I ever really experienced
here and I'm hoping that hasn't changed in those intervening years.

Ben

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com
wrote:

Spectacular response

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore
wrote:


https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group

Note that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at
the sentiments expressed about him, but simply said that
many had expressed interest and good wishes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Wow, an acornbags product that is actually in stock (at least as of now)!

Toshi


On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 11:47 AM Dave S  wrote:

> https://acornbags.com/products/musette-bag
>
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:16:56 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of
>> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured
>> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it
>> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more
>> than the bag allows.
>>
>> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work
>> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this
>> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to
>> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are
>> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>>
>> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv
>> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not
>> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long
>> johns make these pants a dream.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Steve Palincsar]

Per his blog post, he seems to be under the impression that his postings 
are being censored.  I can't imagine why he would feel that way.


On 12/18/20 2:02 PM, J L wrote:

I seem to remember Patrick’s advocacy of Homeopathy causing a stir among 
members. I don’t think there was any specific incident that lead to him 
dropping off but I’m not so much in the know. From what I gather Patrick has a 
full life outside of this list and made the choice to stop participating, not 
out if spite or due to ill will of others. He has simply decided to have 
different conversations with other people.

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[RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Dave S]

https://acornbags.com/products/musette-bag


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:16:56 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of 
> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured 
> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it 
> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more 
> than the bag allows.
>
> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>
> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv 
> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not 
> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
> johns make these pants a dream.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[Patrick Moore]

James's report on the RH crank surprised me, since I have thought that I
might one day buy one. But this report of loosening does not make me
confident.

Have others had the same experience with loosening?

Note: I am aware how hard it is to get a response from RH "customer
service." My method to force things is to post an indignant message of
complaint on the iBoblist, which seems somehow to chivvy the inert little
gnomes of service into immediate, ingratiating action. Try it at home.

But back to RH cranks: do they loosen more than, say XD2s and Pro 5 Vises?
I don't think I've had 1 crank out of scores if not hundreds come loose,
except for very cheap Indian-made cottered ones that I probably installed
with the wrong-sized cotter pin, and that was 50 years ago.

I certainly am not doubting James's experience, but I'd like to know
others'.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Valiensi  wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words.
> The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many years
> before I pulled the trigger.
> It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the
> 1st time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times.
> The only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I
> couldn’t believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it
> down.
> This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has
> absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to
> multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but refuses
> to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better
> people.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

Censor him!

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Crap. Sorry folks, posted to wrong thread. Ack!


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Re: [RBW] Musette Recommendations

[Patrick Moore]

A tangent but not a 90* one: for those who want the opposite to what
Michael wants, and are looking for a minimalist, very light musette that
can be folded tiny and stuffed into a small kit bag for occasional pickups
when you are not palping bike luggage, Velo Retro's musettes are just
right. I carry them on the 3 bikes that don't have regular luggage for
those "just-in-case" moments.

Velo Retro panders to the retrogrouch and history nostalgic in each of us.

http://www.velo-retro.com/musette.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Patrick Moore]

In my brief email conversation with him I gathered that he finds the need
to withdraw from public discussion and spend more time alone; at least, he
has done this once or twice before with this list. So perhaps he will come
back again. I miss his photos especially.

Deacon *we're talking about you!!!*

I rode with him once in the hills above Florissant, CO (I think that was
the nearby roadside town) back when my sister and family lived in the
general area, and with beauty like that to ride in, I can understand
wanting to talk less and ride more, especially if you can enjoy riding at
10*F.

Patrick Moore, who also should talk less and ride more, even if only in
ABQ, NM

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 12:02 PM J L  wrote:

> I seem to remember Patrick’s advocacy of Homeopathy causing a stir among
> members. I don’t think there was any specific incident that lead to him
> dropping off but I’m not so much in the know. From what I gather Patrick
> has a full life outside of this list and made the choice to stop
> participating, not out if spite or due to ill will of others. He has simply
> decided to have different conversations with other people.
>
> Jason
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[J L]

I seem to remember Patrick’s advocacy of Homeopathy causing a stir among 
members. I don’t think there was any specific incident that lead to him 
dropping off but I’m not so much in the know. From what I gather Patrick has a 
full life outside of this list and made the choice to stop participating, not 
out if spite or due to ill will of others. He has simply decided to have 
different conversations with other people.

Jason

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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Joe Bernard]

This group is moderated. There will be times that this is referred to as 
"censorship", although that's a negative word I don't think applies here. I 
can't say anything I want on this list because it's not my list and someone 
moderates for content. 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 10:30:35 AM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

> I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is 
> corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a couple 
> year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as some of my first.
>
> But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had to 
> reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what censorship he is 
> talking about? I don't want to dig up old wounds just to satisfy my 
> curiosity, so if it's better left unsaid that is fine. But censorship isn't 
> something I ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't changed 
> in those intervening years.
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Spectacular response
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>>>
>>>
>>> Note
>>>  
>>> that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments expressed 
>>> about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and good wishes.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Joe Bernard]

Crap. Sorry folks, posted to wrong thread. Ack!



On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 10:47:25 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> I like the Riv flatsack 
> , though I 
> wish it were just a bit taller to fit a standard magazine. Currently sold 
> out.
> I saw Herse is selling one 
> -  
> lightweight and packable, as you would expect.
>
> Edwin
>
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I have a Strawfoot waxed-canvas musette that I really like. Handmade in 
>> Santa Cruz, CA.
>>
>> Still plain and functional, but the waxed canvas does provide a fair deal 
>> of structure. I don't know what the original Riv musette looks like, but 
>> the Strawfoot was a nice, straightforward clasp to hold the cross strap in 
>> place that just works. And it doesn't have a zipper like the new Riv one, 
>> but just a snap that feels really solid. It's been durable for me, had it 
>> for ~10 years.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:16:56 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of 
>>> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured 
>>> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it 
>>> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more 
>>> than the bag allows.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
>>> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
>>> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
>>> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
>>> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>>>
>>> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv 
>>> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not 
>>> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
>>> johns make these pants a dream.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Joe Bernard]

This group is moderated. There will be times that this is referred to as 
"censorship", although that's a negative word I don't think applies here. I 
can't say anything I want on this list because it's not my list and someone 
moderates for content. 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 10:21:48 AM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I have a Strawfoot waxed-canvas musette that I really like. Handmade in 
> Santa Cruz, CA.
>
> Still plain and functional, but the waxed canvas does provide a fair deal 
> of structure. I don't know what the original Riv musette looks like, but 
> the Strawfoot was a nice, straightforward clasp to hold the cross strap in 
> place that just works. And it doesn't have a zipper like the new Riv one, 
> but just a snap that feels really solid. It's been durable for me, had it 
> for ~10 years.
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:16:56 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of 
>> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured 
>> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it 
>> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more 
>> than the bag allows.
>>
>> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
>> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
>> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
>> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
>> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>>
>> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv 
>> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not 
>> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
>> johns make these pants a dream.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Edwin W]

I like the Riv flatsack 
, though I wish 
it were just a bit taller to fit a standard magazine. Currently sold out.
I saw Herse is selling one 
-  
lightweight and packable, as you would expect.

Edwin


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:21:48 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I have a Strawfoot waxed-canvas musette that I really like. Handmade in 
> Santa Cruz, CA.
>
> Still plain and functional, but the waxed canvas does provide a fair deal 
> of structure. I don't know what the original Riv musette looks like, but 
> the Strawfoot was a nice, straightforward clasp to hold the cross strap in 
> place that just works. And it doesn't have a zipper like the new Riv one, 
> but just a snap that feels really solid. It's been durable for me, had it 
> for ~10 years.
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:16:56 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of 
>> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured 
>> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it 
>> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more 
>> than the bag allows.
>>
>> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
>> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
>> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
>> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
>> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>>
>> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv 
>> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not 
>> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
>> johns make these pants a dream.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[George Schick]

I think he's responding to issues cited in the attached file.  I carefully 
decided not to follow the threads in the "reparations" post so I'm not sure 
exactly what was said that triggered his withdrawal from the group, but 
reading the critique will give you the basic crux of what he's objecting to.


On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 12:30:35 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:

> I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is 
> corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a couple 
> year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as some of my first.
>
> But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had to 
> reread it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what censorship he is 
> talking about? I don't want to dig up old wounds just to satisfy my 
> curiosity, so if it's better left unsaid that is fine. But censorship isn't 
> something I ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't changed 
> in those intervening years.
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Spectacular response
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>>>
>>>
>>> Note
>>>  
>>> that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments expressed 
>>> about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and good wishes.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Ben Miller]

I read the Deacon's blog post last night. This incidentally is 
corresponding with my own return to the RBW Owners Bunch after a couple 
year hiatus. Something pleasing about reading his words as some of my first.

But like a lot of Deacon's prose I struggle with his words; I had to reread 
it a few times to get some meaning. Any idea what censorship he is talking 
about? I don't want to dig up old wounds just to satisfy my curiosity, so 
if it's better left unsaid that is fine. But censorship isn't something I 
ever really experienced here and I'm hoping that hasn't changed in those 
intervening years.

Ben

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:59:03 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Spectacular response
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>>
>> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>>
>>
>> Note
>>  
>> that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments expressed 
>> about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and good wishes.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Musette Recommendations

[Ben Miller]

Michael,

I have a Strawfoot waxed-canvas musette that I really like. Handmade in 
Santa Cruz, CA.

Still plain and functional, but the waxed canvas does provide a fair deal 
of structure. I don't know what the original Riv musette looks like, but 
the Strawfoot was a nice, straightforward clasp to hold the cross strap in 
place that just works. And it doesn't have a zipper like the new Riv one, 
but just a snap that feels really solid. It's been durable for me, had it 
for ~10 years.

Ben

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:16:56 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of 
> organic cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured 
> in. Like the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it 
> in my bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more 
> than the bag allows.
>
> I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
> well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
> plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
> sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
> both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).
>
> As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv 
> MUSA Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not 
> to like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
> johns make these pants a dream.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick

[Alex K]

Spectacular response

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:29:40 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group
>
>
> Note
>  
> that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments expressed 
> about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and good wishes.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Musette Recommendations

[Michael Ullmer]

I was gifted, by a very kind soul, an old Riv Plain Musette made of organic 
cotton, along with the 1996 Rivendell catalog that it's featured in. Like 
the label implies, it's plain and simple. I'm planning to keep it in my 
bike bag for those instances where I need to carry just a bit more than the 
bag allows.

I'm wondering if folks have recommendations for other musettes that work 
well on a bike, but have a few more features (and more structure) than this 
plain cotton one that I have. Even better, if you have one you'd like to 
sell contact me off-list. The two that I've found so far that I like are 
both out of stock (Riv's current Musette and one from Handy Bag).

As an aside, in the last week I've found a new appreciation for my Riv MUSA 
Pants when a pair of long johns are layered underneath. I tended not to 
like the feel of cold nylon on my legs in the winter months, adding long 
johns make these pants a dream.


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[RBW] Deacon Patrick

[Patrick Moore]

https://deaconpatrick.org/reaching-a-crossroads-with-an-online-bicycle-group

Note
that I didn't in fact direct him to take a look at the sentiments expressed
about him, but simply said that many had expressed interest and good wishes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[Dave Redmon]

Turns out my former crankset was a VO Polyvalent 46-30T which is no longer
offered. Curvaceous yes, accessible bolts to attach rings to crank spider
yes, but I switched to a Sugino XD2 compact double. Hoping to avoid
changing out a chainring in the future!

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 4:53 PM James Valiensi  wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words.
> The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many years
> before I pulled the trigger.
> It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the
> 1st time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times.
> The only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I
> couldn’t believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it
> down.
> This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has
> absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to
> multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but refuses
> to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better
> people.
>
>
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Dave Redmon  wrote:
>
> That's a looker for sure, James. What is the beautiful crankset?  I recall
> having one like it a few years ago.   --Dave in Kansas
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 10:13:28 AM UTC-6 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I’ve had my Rivendell custom since Feb 2003. It’s been thru several
>> iterations. I just fitted the Losco handle bars and long stem. The red
>> pedals are hideous, don’t you think?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[James Valiensi]

Andy,
I’m originally from north of your area, New Castle PA. My folks still live 
there. I keep a bike at their house. There is a really nice bike trail that 
runs along the Mahoning River between New Castle and Youngstown OH. Have you 
ridden it? It is ten miles one way and not exactly challenging or too exciting 
but I love riding it because it is so different that pedaling in LA. The trail 
was built on an old electric trolly right of way that ran from Youngstown to 
Cascade Park in New Castle. I think it was from the late 19th century. One time 
I found some of the original bricks from the tracks and the date was something 
like 1890.

I try to be careful with my bikes. I have a friend that is the opposite, he can 
take a brand new bike and make it look 25 years old in a month.

Cheers!

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 6:31 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> James, your custom is a thing of beauty! It is a fantastic time capsule of a 
> Rivendell. 
> 
> My 2002 Rambouillet, following Pam's comparison, shows its campaign stripes 
> in what I describe as beausavage in respect to the events leading to this 
> place in time. 
> <8B80B8D9-58CA-432E-BFCB-F16028B6930B_1_105_c.jpeg>
> 
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> 
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 8:20:28 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
> Pristine!  How do you keep it so new looking?  Most people think mine is 
> vintage b/c it has so much beausage.
> 
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 7:51:36 PM UTC-5 James Valiensi wrote:
> Yes my math was bad. I ordered the frame Aug 2002 and it was delivered Feb 
> 2003.
> I requested the front rack braze-ons for a front rack. At the time Rivendell 
> had not done this. I had to send a drawing of where to put them. Now they are 
> standard.
> I also requested an extra low bottom bracket. I’m not sure they would do that 
> again because there is an issue with pedal strikes while cornering. I don’t 
> pedal thru fast corners (I enjoy coasting!)
> 
> I have a carpenter that I’ve used for many years, he does excellent work. 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Ian A > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Really nice looking bike and the new handlebars suit well. I also admire the 
>> impressive tile work in the background.  Is there a stone mason in the 
>> family?
>> 
>> I appreciate this year would like to have been skipped by many, but isn't 
>> 2003 - 2020 closer to 17 years?
>> 
>> :) IanA Alberta Canada (where we are about 30 years behind the rest of the 
>> world).
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deacon Patrick's email address

[ascpgh]

>From my Hilltrek Ventile anorak I give a nod to DP's championing of the 
Scottish brand and his reports of his Cotton Analogy in real use.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 8:44:58 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Was thinking of DP yesterday as I put on my fish net long undies, under my 
> MUSA pants and went for a walk in the east coast snow storm. The pair 
> worked perfectly together! Couldn't have  been more comfortable. Hope he's 
> well
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-5 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>
>> Outside of cycling and health related proclivities, couldn't be more 
>> diametrically opposed to a guy. Always admired DP regardless and hope he's 
>> well. 
>> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 4:37:02 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, I expect he may well be such a casualty. At any rate, I have 
>>> just emailed him (I hope) and will report any news I am authorized to 
>>> report back to the list.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:27 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 This comment is not necessary. We're in a pandemic and many of us are 
 genuinely concerned about Deacon Patrick. It is his way to drop off the 
 list for months at a time, but this is not a normal time. I hope Other 
 Patrick hears from him soon. 



 On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 11:08:27 AM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com 
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>>> Another casualty of the attempted Reparations Fund?  
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 10:15:20 AM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas 
> wrote:
>
>> I miss Deacon Patrick's participation on this list.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas 
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[RBW] Inspiring Riv Riders: Pamela Murray

[True Golden]

Terrific!
Way to go Pam and welcome to the group.

I like the carrying of unusual loads on a bike.

I've used the little two wheel hand trucks / hand carts to tow heavier or 
larger loads on my bikes a few times.

Also I've carried things probably too heavy for rear rack and baskets all 
strapped like crazy with bungee cords.

Towing a Christmas tree extra cool!

Paul in Dallas
Safe transporting by bike



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