[RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Eamon Nordquist]

I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed for 
R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as I’m 
concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. That 
may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 80’s 
Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] WTB: Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700x44 Tires

[Jared Wilson]

Hey gang

Looking for some RH Snoqualmie Pass 700x44 tires, preferably standard 
casing but will entertain other variants.

Please respond off list

Thanks

Jared in SLO, CA

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Re: [RBW] Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Joe Mullins]

Add me to that list please! I have a feeling they’d be way to big but maybe 
not…only one way to find out. Thanks!

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Andrew Huston  
> wrote:
> 
> If anyone has buyers remorse, let me know and I'll take a set off your hands. 
> I lingered and lost.
> 
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:46:23 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
> Eric, thanks for the link to the interview. 
> 
> That is a beautiful bike. From the side, this set up looks a lot like my 
> Hunqapillar with Alba's. I'm hoping a Nitto NP stem will get the Ortho bars 
> down low enough as my saddle is a lot closer to the frame than Uncle Ron's 
> saddle is. If the bars slip in the NP stem slips, I may try a 4 bolt Wendy 
> stem.
> 
> John
> 
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:46:17 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Because everything is better with pics – drive-side view as described by John 
> ;)  I love how beat to shit this bike is, the mismatched Paul brakes, the 
> silver, the purple. Is the fork a replacement? The article says he's running 
> a 38-20 double with an extra ring as bashguard. Umm that's groovy. 
> 
> There's a recent interview w. Ron on the Blue Lug site 
> . He mentions there 
> might be an aluminum bike like this in the early development stages with 
> Crust. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 1:20:07 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
> 69cm is just more than minimal width for my shoulders & wrists. But I'm 
> praying these bars aren't TOO flexy for me, and that pairing with a long, low 
> stem will give me some breathing room.
> 
> In those Radavist photos, I noticed Uncle Ron has his stem down below his 
> saddle, and is gripping those bars at the inside end of those grips.
> 
> My intuition is telling me a bullmoose version of these bars with a 170mm 
> quill would fit my Hunqapillar better.
> 
> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Upcoming AAH -build

[atreya...@gmail.com]

Will beat me to it !!
Here is the link to gallery of my bike , in case you missed Will's email 
update.

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/deepaks-54-5cm-homer?mc_cid=3ccbea4dfa_eid=e5cf5c56ab
On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone!
>
> The color in person is truly amazing . I think it’s much deeper and richer 
> blue than the previous one . My jpeg shot from the camera is highly 
> stylized and does not represent the color accurately . I will post 
> additional pictures later this week .
>
> Calvin,
> Yes they are berthoud saddle - aspin model. They worked well with 
> albatross bar on my Atlantis but are great with drop bars on homers! . I 
> think with more upright position you are probably better off with 
> Berthoud’s wider model or brooks b17. I personally could never get along 
> well with brooks b17 ; no matter how I angled the saddle I would either 
> feel like I am sliding off or start hurting .
>
> Cheers ,
> Deepak
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:59 Calvin Yolo  wrote:
>
> Amazing looking ride! Is that a Berthoud saddle? I am debating if I want 
>> to give up my Brooks for a natural Berthoud, but don't know many people who 
>> ride it.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 7:33:01 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow that bike is gorgeous! That new shade of blue looks amazing! Well 
>>> done!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 7:25:10 PM UTC-8 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks everyone for inputs to my components and build . Picked up my 
 bike today and it exceeds my expectations ! Here are some quick pics with 
 Grant and James , who built my bike . My initial impression base on around 
 15 mile ride back home is that it’s sublime ! The set up is just perfect . 
 I might lower the bar a little  above saddle or at saddle height , just 
 for 
 the ride back home I jacked it up to max . 
  I will post detailed pictures and impressions shortly .

 Thanks 
 Cheers ,
 Deepak

 On Jan 10, 2022, at 08:10, Calvin Yolo  wrote:

 Thank you. Here's some more details on the parts list: 


 Velocity Quill with SON/VO rear hub to RH Baby Shoe Pass (measures 
 40mm) - went tubeless this time around
 Pass & stow rack with a Edelux II mounted on it
 10 speed Shimano 105 rd-5700 + fd-5700 + cs-5700 (11-28) 
 Silver cranks low/low (34/24)
 Shimano SL-BS79 10-speed shifters mounted on Paul thumbies
 Paul Love Levers
 Bosco bars + Nitto Tallux 120mm stem
 Tektro R559 brakes
 Copper Crane headset mounted bell
 Forager Cycles cables cherries

 Notes: We barely made the rd-5700 work with the 34/24 chainring, 
 there's only a few mm of clearance at the chain stay as shown in the pic 
 below.
 [image: CBE94B07-A268-43C2-B675-68721612E9D5-15002-117ABD907430 
 Large.jpeg]
 [image: 2FA4A8FE-AFEA-407F-92E6-E9B84F784EC3-15002-117AAFE46887 
 Large.jpeg]
 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:41:47 AM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:

>
> Seriously gorgeous build Calvin.

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[RBW] Re: High and wide versus low and narrow drop bar for off road riding

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks Richard, good idea; I'll contact Analog. In fact what got me
thinking about this was looking at someone's -- Analog's? -- very wide
but very, very short reach and drop drop bar on a very short stem. I
also want to talk to them about the Tanglefoot.

Garth: Thanks. The problem is not that I'm forcing myself to sit up
higher than the bar comfortably allows but that the bar feels too
narrow for slow speed handling, especially with the fat (61 mm), soft
(20 psi) tires. I "feel" I need more leverage. In fact, I've been
thinking I ought to try riding this one particular section (about 2'
wide, fence and big Cottonwood on West, path sloping to ditch on East,
roots and erosion) in the hooks and see if that gives me more control.

But you may be right that the solution might simply be to get the bar
a bit higher and regain the bank angle by bending my elbows more.
Perhaps flipping the -17* stem (high head tube!) upward and getting a
46 cm version of the same bar might work ...?

[Jim's stem calculator says that this will put the bar 56 mm higher
and 17 mm closer than with the stem flipped to -17*; anyone care to
guess how much reach would be regained with a bar 4 cm wider?]

At any rate, I'm looking more for others' ideas and setups and not
only bar types. I've used the Cowbell (I think; I know I've used the
Woodchipper), the On OneMary, perhaps another modern wide, flared bar,
as well as various iterations of the old WTB flared bar, its Nitto and
Specializeds cousins, as well as the Noodle up to 46 cm, and didn't
like any; BUT -- here's the reason for my question: I may find that I
like or don't mind wider bars if properly high and close; and it's for
this that I'm seeking others' thoughts.

I have a favorite "bend" at the hips when I ride the hoods and hooks
(which my current setups give me) and I'd like to keep that but -- as
I said -- with more slow speed control on sketchy sections. My brother
has fallen into one of the local irrigation ditches and I want to
avoid that fate!

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:23 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Cross posting because, while the iBob is the bigger list, the RBW list
> is the home of high-bar afficionados.
>
> This is at the moment only an inquiry, but I wonder if I can get a
> better compromise bar setup on my Matthews 1:1 to maintain comfortable
> pavement cruising but gain more slow-speed, narrow-trail, sandy-soil
> control.
>
> Right now I have what for me is a wide-ish bar, a RH Maes Parallel 42
> cm at hoods and 44 cm at ends set about 5-7 mm below saddle with 10 cm
> stem; this compares with 38 cm MPs 3 cm below saddle with 8 cm stems
> for my road bikes. All give me me very comfortable pavement positions,
> with the wider, slightly higher and wider 42/44/10 cm giving a
> slightly more upright position on dirt.
>
> Is there any way I can maintain a comfortable pavement/hardpack
> cruising position with a higher and wider bar that will give me better
> slow speed control on narrow, bumpy, soft singletrack? I don't ride
> technical stuff except, but I do encounter not infrequent narrow,
> bumpy sections of acequia trails bordered closely by fences and trees
> on one side and 4' dropoffs into ditches on the other side, often
> eroded and crossed by tree roots.
>
> I think of wider and closer for better slow speed control on the
> hoods, with a sufficiently deep hook to allow a comfortable hard
> surface cruising position. I've tried many -- at least half a dozen,
> from the original WTBs to more modern, wider wide flared dirt drop
> bars up to about 660 mm wide, and never liked them, even when
> positioned higher than road bars, but perhaps I've not tried high
> enough.
>
> I repeat: I have repeatedly found very wide setups uncomfortable.
>
> I may be asking for incompatible setups, but does anyone have any ideas on 
> this?
>
> I'd like to stick to drops.
>
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> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum



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[RBW] Re: An Appaloosa build video

[brendonoid]

Bellevue RSL climbing the Darling Scarp to Lake Leschenaultia, Western 
Australia.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Carradice Classic Saddlebag Support

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Joe. My main concern beside the prongs working with Cyclo or VO
loops is how much space it requires between tire and saddle -- this will be
for the Matthews with huge tires and fenders. But I think it will work, at
least with a standoff to make it sit level instead of slanted downward.

PM sent to Craig.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:25 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Here's a pic of the sliding doohickeys that slot into the bag loops. I had
> this rack and I'm 99% sure it will work with the accessory loops you have
> (or will get).
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 12:26:55 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Craig: Does this absolutely positively require the Brooks saddle loops,
>> or might it work with Cyclo or Velo Orange bolt-on loops? (Original Flite
>> saddles.)
>>
>> If "yes," I'm interested.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:22 PM Craig Montgomery 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Got this thing from SKS just before Covid (BC). Essentially new, never
>>> really used it. A handy little doodah but all my bikes have racks that
>>> support the saddlebags so no need for it.
>>> $50 shipped.
>>> Craig in Tucson
>>> [image: IMG_4765.jpg][image: IMG_4767.jpg][image: IMG_4766.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: High and wide versus low and narrow drop bar for off road riding

[Garth]

So it sounds like you're looking for a "just right for you" balance between 
a wider bar and it's height for your given bike and your inherent riding 
sensibilities. I word it that way because cookie cutter formulas and 
cliche's are really good for selling clicks on the web pages but they all 
fail to apply directly to any specific rider and their unique character. 

I may be off here but I sense you're almost forcing yourself to ride 
"upright", though again that word is so generic as it implies a rigid, 
locked in and unforgiving position that completely ignores "the how" we all 
position and move as we ride a bike. Again it's that "how" that is unique 
to every-one, and it's never the same twice, as nothing is ever the same 
twice !  

All that said, since you've tried mega wide bars, what about simply a 
slightly wider drop in the style you already ride ? A Salsa Cowbell Deluxe 
comes to mind. The flare is slight so the width in the drops is small and 
there's no weird brake lever angles. Having had a Nitto Dirt Drop 013 the 
slight wider flare of the Cowbell would be nice. 

https://bikepacking.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/salsa-cowbell_1-2000x1333.jpg
https://bikepacking.com/index/gravel-bars/

Salsa Cowbell 
   
   - Width: 380, 400, 420, 440, 460mm
   - Flare: 12°
   - Drop/Reach: 115mm / 68mm
   - Outsweep: 12° drop angle
   - Full Width: 433, 453, 473, 493, 513mm









On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:23:49 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Cross posting because, while the iBob is the bigger list, the RBW list
> is the home of high-bar afficionados.
>
> This is at the moment only an inquiry, but I wonder if I can get a
> better compromise bar setup on my Matthews 1:1 to maintain comfortable
> pavement cruising but gain more slow-speed, narrow-trail, sandy-soil
> control.
>
> Right now I have what for me is a wide-ish bar, a RH Maes Parallel 42
> cm at hoods and 44 cm at ends set about 5-7 mm below saddle with 10 cm
> stem; this compares with 38 cm MPs 3 cm below saddle with 8 cm stems
> for my road bikes. All give me me very comfortable pavement positions,
> with the wider, slightly higher and wider 42/44/10 cm giving a
> slightly more upright position on dirt.
>
> Is there any way I can maintain a comfortable pavement/hardpack
> cruising position with a higher and wider bar that will give me better
> slow speed control on narrow, bumpy, soft singletrack? I don't ride
> technical stuff except, but I do encounter not infrequent narrow,
> bumpy sections of acequia trails bordered closely by fences and trees
> on one side and 4' dropoffs into ditches on the other side, often
> eroded and crossed by tree roots.
>
> I think of wider and closer for better slow speed control on the
> hoods, with a sufficiently deep hook to allow a comfortable hard
> surface cruising position. I've tried many -- at least half a dozen,
> from the original WTBs to more modern, wider wide flared dirt drop
> bars up to about 660 mm wide, and never liked them, even when
> positioned higher than road bars, but perhaps I've not tried high
> enough.
>
> I repeat: I have repeatedly found very wide setups uncomfortable.
>
> I may be asking for incompatible setups, but does anyone have any ideas on 
> this?
>
> I'd like to stick to drops.
>
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> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Faceplater Stem, 110 length, 31.8 clamp

[Ryan Frahm]

I’ll take it if the sale doesn’t work out!

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:01:41 PM UTC-8 jwilli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sale pending
>
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 1:39:29 PM UTC-8 Dee Dee wrote:
>
>> Hah, got excited and didn’t finish the email subject. Looking for a 25.4 
>> clamp, sorry for jumping the gun.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:37 PM Dee Dee  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Will,
>>>
>>> I’ll take it! Been looking for one since summer.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Danny
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:36 PM Will Rose  wrote:
>>>
 I have a FacePlater Stem I got from Riv about a year ago, and it is 
 just a tad too long for me. It's been ridden but is in excellent, almost 
 new, condition. 

 I'm asking $110 shipped, or I would trade for an 85mm version.

 Let me know if you have any questions. 

 Thanks,

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Re: [RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Faceplater Stem, 110 length, 31.8 clamp

[Will Rose]

Sale pending

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 1:39:29 PM UTC-8 Dee Dee wrote:

> Hah, got excited and didn’t finish the email subject. Looking for a 25.4 
> clamp, sorry for jumping the gun.
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:37 PM Dee Dee  wrote:
>
>> Hey Will,
>>
>> I’ll take it! Been looking for one since summer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Danny
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:36 PM Will Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a FacePlater Stem I got from Riv about a year ago, and it is just 
>>> a tad too long for me. It's been ridden but is in excellent, almost new, 
>>> condition. 
>>>
>>> I'm asking $110 shipped, or I would trade for an 85mm version.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any questions. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ron's Ortho Bars in stock at Crust

[Andrew Huston]

If anyone has buyers remorse, let me know and I'll take a set off your 
hands. I lingered and lost.

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 12:46:23 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:

> Eric, thanks for the link to the interview. 
>
> That is a beautiful bike. From the side, this set up looks a lot like my 
> Hunqapillar with Alba's. I'm hoping a Nitto NP stem will get the Ortho bars 
> down low enough as my saddle is a lot closer to the frame than Uncle Ron's 
> saddle is. If the bars slip in the NP stem slips, I may try a 4 bolt Wendy 
> stem.
>
> John
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 11:46:17 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Because everything is better with pics – drive-side view as described by 
>> John ;)  I love how beat to shit this bike is, the mismatched Paul brakes, 
>> the silver, the purple. Is the fork a replacement? The article says he's 
>> running a 38-20 double with an extra ring as bashguard. Umm that's 
>> groovy. 
>>
>> There's a recent interview w. Ron on the Blue Lug site 
>> . He mentions 
>> there might be an aluminum bike like this in the early development stages 
>> with Crust. 
>>
>> [image: Ronnies-DURALCAN-S-Works-Stumpjumper-M2-4.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 1:20:07 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> 69cm is just more than minimal width for my shoulders & wrists. But I'm 
>>> praying these bars aren't TOO flexy for me, and that pairing with a long, 
>>> low stem will give me some breathing room.
>>>
>>> In those Radavist photos, I noticed Uncle Ron has his stem down below 
>>> his saddle, and is gripping those bars at the inside end of those grips.
>>>
>>> My intuition is telling me a bullmoose version of these bars with a 
>>> 170mm quill would fit my Hunqapillar better.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Clearance with 38's is a little tight in the chainstays, but within the 
still safe range.

Martin, yes there a handful of us pedaling around Lincoln!  

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 10:58:40 AM UTC-6 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> 33 w/ fenders.
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>
>> Nice looking Roadeo!   I thought the Roadeo maxed out at 33.3 width 
>> tires??  How did you manage to get 38's on there?   Are the clearances 
>> really tight??
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:07:33 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded fork.  
>>> It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
>>>  (or very close to that 
>>> color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, I am 
>>> the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, rode 
>>> it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage since 
>>> then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
>>> would rather send it on to a new home.
>>>
>>> Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage on 
>>> the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before 
>>> building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.
>>>
>>> Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing recommendations. 
>>>   My PBH is 
>>> right around 85, and this size worked for me.
>>>
>>> Photos are here. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake levers, 
>>> and shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape.  Though 
>>> there is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts were bought 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> I am asking $3500 for the complete bike, plus LBS packing fee, and 
>>> shipping to lower 48.  Located in Lincoln, NE.  I am not interested in 
>>> trades.  I might be open to parting it out, if there isn't interest in the 
>>> complete.
>>>
>>> Please contact me off list with questions or offers.  Thank you for 
>>> reading,
>>> -Gabe
>>>
>>> Cockpit: 
>>> Nitto/Crust Shaka bars, 54cm
>>> Nitto/Crust stem (30 degree, 60mm)
>>> TRP RRL SL levers
>>> Microshift bar ends, 11 sp
>>> ESI bar tape
>>> Cane Creek 100 headset
>>>
>>> Drivetrain:
>>> Wheels: Velocity A23 rims, XT hubs, hand built at Monkey Wrench Cyles 
>>> 
>>> Butted spokes, black hardware
>>> Compass Barlow Pass EL
>>> Tubes with Orange Seal sealant
>>> White Industries R30 double crankset (46tX36t)
>>> White Industries bottom bracket
>>> Simworks bubbly pedals
>>> Ultegra rear der (11 speed)
>>> 9 Sp XT cassette 11-32
>>> 105 front der
>>>
>>> Brakes:
>>> Paul Racer centerpulls
>>> Paul Funky Monkey cable stop
>>> Paul Moon units
>>>
>>> Saddle: Brooks C17 carved
>>> Seatpost: Nitto S65
>>>
>>> (Spurcycle bell in photos is not included) 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Faceplater Stem, 110 length, 31.8 clamp

[Dee Dee]

Hah, got excited and didn’t finish the email subject. Looking for a 25.4
clamp, sorry for jumping the gun.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:37 PM Dee Dee  wrote:

> Hey Will,
>
> I’ll take it! Been looking for one since summer.
>
> Thanks,
> Danny
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:36 PM Will Rose  wrote:
>
>> I have a FacePlater Stem I got from Riv about a year ago, and it is just
>> a tad too long for me. It's been ridden but is in excellent, almost new,
>> condition.
>>
>> I'm asking $110 shipped, or I would trade for an 85mm version.
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Will
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Faceplater Stem, 110 length, 31.8 clamp

[Dee Dee]

Hey Will,

I’ll take it! Been looking for one since summer.

Thanks,
Danny

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:36 PM Will Rose  wrote:

> I have a FacePlater Stem I got from Riv about a year ago, and it is just a
> tad too long for me. It's been ridden but is in excellent, almost new,
> condition.
>
> I'm asking $110 shipped, or I would trade for an 85mm version.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Will
>
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[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Faceplater Stem, 110 length, 31.8 clamp

[Will Rose]

I have a FacePlater Stem I got from Riv about a year ago, and it is just a 
tad too long for me. It's been ridden but is in excellent, almost new, 
condition. 

I'm asking $110 shipped, or I would trade for an 85mm version.

Let me know if you have any questions. 

Thanks,

Will


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Re: [RBW] High and wide versus low and narrow drop bar for off road riding

[Richard Rose]

I would make an inquiry with the folks at Analog Cycles. They are the dirt drop 
experts, esp. regarding upright positions.

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> On Jan 14, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Cross posting because, while the iBob is the bigger list, the RBW list
> is the home of high-bar afficionados.
> 
> This is at the moment only an inquiry, but I wonder if I can get a
> better compromise bar setup on my Matthews 1:1 to maintain comfortable
> pavement cruising but gain more slow-speed, narrow-trail, sandy-soil
> control.
> 
> Right now I have what for me is a wide-ish bar, a RH Maes Parallel 42
> cm at hoods and 44 cm at ends set about 5-7 mm below saddle with 10 cm
> stem; this compares with 38 cm MPs 3 cm below saddle with 8 cm stems
> for my road bikes. All give me me very comfortable pavement positions,
> with the wider, slightly higher and wider 42/44/10 cm giving a
> slightly more upright position on dirt.
> 
> Is there any way I can maintain a comfortable pavement/hardpack
> cruising position with a higher and wider bar that will give me better
> slow speed control on narrow, bumpy, soft singletrack? I don't ride
> technical stuff except, but I do encounter not infrequent narrow,
> bumpy sections of acequia trails bordered closely by fences and trees
> on one side and 4' dropoffs into ditches on the other side, often
> eroded and crossed by tree roots.
> 
> I think of wider and closer for better slow speed control on the
> hoods, with a sufficiently deep hook to allow a comfortable hard
> surface cruising position. I've tried many -- at least half a dozen,
> from the original WTBs to more modern, wider wide flared dirt drop
> bars up to about 660 mm wide, and never liked them, even when
> positioned higher than road bars, but perhaps I've not tried high
> enough.
> 
> I repeat: I have repeatedly found very wide setups uncomfortable.
> 
> I may be asking for incompatible setups, but does anyone have any ideas on 
> this?
> 
> I'd like to stick to drops.
> 
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[RBW] Re: An Appaloosa build video

[Ryan]

Nice! Where is that filmed? 

On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 3:34:09 PM UTC-6 brendonoid wrote:

> I bought a new battery for my 9 year old GoPro and tried to make a ride 
> video. It... isn't great, but I had fun making it!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqFZ8P3VM4Y
>
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[RBW] High and wide versus low and narrow drop bar for off road riding

[Patrick Moore]

Cross posting because, while the iBob is the bigger list, the RBW list
is the home of high-bar afficionados.

This is at the moment only an inquiry, but I wonder if I can get a
better compromise bar setup on my Matthews 1:1 to maintain comfortable
pavement cruising but gain more slow-speed, narrow-trail, sandy-soil
control.

Right now I have what for me is a wide-ish bar, a RH Maes Parallel 42
cm at hoods and 44 cm at ends set about 5-7 mm below saddle with 10 cm
stem; this compares with 38 cm MPs 3 cm below saddle with 8 cm stems
for my road bikes. All give me me very comfortable pavement positions,
with the wider, slightly higher and wider 42/44/10 cm giving a
slightly more upright position on dirt.

Is there any way I can maintain a comfortable pavement/hardpack
cruising position with a higher and wider bar that will give me better
slow speed control on narrow, bumpy, soft singletrack? I don't ride
technical stuff except, but I do encounter not infrequent narrow,
bumpy sections of acequia trails bordered closely by fences and trees
on one side and 4' dropoffs into ditches on the other side, often
eroded and crossed by tree roots.

I think of wider and closer for better slow speed control on the
hoods, with a sufficiently deep hook to allow a comfortable hard
surface cruising position. I've tried many -- at least half a dozen,
from the original WTBs to more modern, wider wide flared dirt drop
bars up to about 660 mm wide, and never liked them, even when
positioned higher than road bars, but perhaps I've not tried high
enough.

I repeat: I have repeatedly found very wide setups uncomfortable.

I may be asking for incompatible setups, but does anyone have any ideas on this?

I'd like to stick to drops.

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Re: [RBW] First 10 days

[Richard Rose]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> Just 5 rides and 80 or so miles in and I am hooked. Normally there would be 
> too much snow/ice & salt on the roads in January to ride. I am having a blast 
> riding this bike, Tried it today with a partial load.
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[RBW] First 10 days

[Richard Rose]

Just 5 rides and 80 or so miles in and I am hooked. Normally there would be 
too much snow/ice & salt on the roads in January to ride. I am having a 
blast riding this bike, Tried it today with a partial load.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Brian Campbell]

33 w/ fenders.
On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5 BobW wrote:

> Nice looking Roadeo!   I thought the Roadeo maxed out at 33.3 width 
> tires??  How did you manage to get 38's on there?   Are the clearances 
> really tight??
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:07:33 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded fork.  
>> It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
>>  (or very close to that 
>> color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, I am 
>> the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, rode 
>> it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage since 
>> then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
>> would rather send it on to a new home.
>>
>> Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage on 
>> the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before 
>> building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.
>>
>> Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing recommendations. 
>>   My PBH is 
>> right around 85, and this size worked for me.
>>
>> Photos are here. 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake levers, 
>> and shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape.  Though 
>> there is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts were bought 
>> new.
>>
>> I am asking $3500 for the complete bike, plus LBS packing fee, and 
>> shipping to lower 48.  Located in Lincoln, NE.  I am not interested in 
>> trades.  I might be open to parting it out, if there isn't interest in the 
>> complete.
>>
>> Please contact me off list with questions or offers.  Thank you for 
>> reading,
>> -Gabe
>>
>> Cockpit: 
>> Nitto/Crust Shaka bars, 54cm
>> Nitto/Crust stem (30 degree, 60mm)
>> TRP RRL SL levers
>> Microshift bar ends, 11 sp
>> ESI bar tape
>> Cane Creek 100 headset
>>
>> Drivetrain:
>> Wheels: Velocity A23 rims, XT hubs, hand built at Monkey Wrench Cyles 
>> 
>> Butted spokes, black hardware
>> Compass Barlow Pass EL
>> Tubes with Orange Seal sealant
>> White Industries R30 double crankset (46tX36t)
>> White Industries bottom bracket
>> Simworks bubbly pedals
>> Ultegra rear der (11 speed)
>> 9 Sp XT cassette 11-32
>> 105 front der
>>
>> Brakes:
>> Paul Racer centerpulls
>> Paul Funky Monkey cable stop
>> Paul Moon units
>>
>> Saddle: Brooks C17 carved
>> Seatpost: Nitto S65
>>
>> (Spurcycle bell in photos is not included) 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Martin Alvarez]

There are Riv riders in Lincoln?! -Martin in Omaha. 

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 10:14:45 AM UTC-6 BobW wrote:

> Nice looking Roadeo!   I thought the Roadeo maxed out at 33.3 width 
> tires??  How did you manage to get 38's on there?   Are the clearances 
> really tight??
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:07:33 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded fork.  
>> It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
>>  (or very close to that 
>> color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, I am 
>> the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, rode 
>> it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage since 
>> then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
>> would rather send it on to a new home.
>>
>> Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage on 
>> the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before 
>> building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.
>>
>> Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing recommendations. 
>>   My PBH is 
>> right around 85, and this size worked for me.
>>
>> Photos are here. 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake levers, 
>> and shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape.  Though 
>> there is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts were bought 
>> new.
>>
>> I am asking $3500 for the complete bike, plus LBS packing fee, and 
>> shipping to lower 48.  Located in Lincoln, NE.  I am not interested in 
>> trades.  I might be open to parting it out, if there isn't interest in the 
>> complete.
>>
>> Please contact me off list with questions or offers.  Thank you for 
>> reading,
>> -Gabe
>>
>> Cockpit: 
>> Nitto/Crust Shaka bars, 54cm
>> Nitto/Crust stem (30 degree, 60mm)
>> TRP RRL SL levers
>> Microshift bar ends, 11 sp
>> ESI bar tape
>> Cane Creek 100 headset
>>
>> Drivetrain:
>> Wheels: Velocity A23 rims, XT hubs, hand built at Monkey Wrench Cyles 
>> 
>> Butted spokes, black hardware
>> Compass Barlow Pass EL
>> Tubes with Orange Seal sealant
>> White Industries R30 double crankset (46tX36t)
>> White Industries bottom bracket
>> Simworks bubbly pedals
>> Ultegra rear der (11 speed)
>> 9 Sp XT cassette 11-32
>> 105 front der
>>
>> Brakes:
>> Paul Racer centerpulls
>> Paul Funky Monkey cable stop
>> Paul Moon units
>>
>> Saddle: Brooks C17 carved
>> Seatpost: Nitto S65
>>
>> (Spurcycle bell in photos is not included) 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[BobW]

Nice looking Roadeo!   I thought the Roadeo maxed out at 33.3 width 
tires??  How did you manage to get 38's on there?   Are the clearances 
really tight??



On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:07:33 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded fork.  It 
> is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
>  (or very close to that color).  
> This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, I am the 
> third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, rode it 
> over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage since 
> then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
> would rather send it on to a new home.
>
> Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage on the 
> paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before building 
> it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.
>
> Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing recommendations. 
>   My PBH is right 
> around 85, and this size worked for me.
>
> Photos are here. 
> 
>  
>
> The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake levers, and 
> shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape.  Though there 
> is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts were bought new.
>
> I am asking $3500 for the complete bike, plus LBS packing fee, and 
> shipping to lower 48.  Located in Lincoln, NE.  I am not interested in 
> trades.  I might be open to parting it out, if there isn't interest in the 
> complete.
>
> Please contact me off list with questions or offers.  Thank you for 
> reading,
> -Gabe
>
> Cockpit: 
> Nitto/Crust Shaka bars, 54cm
> Nitto/Crust stem (30 degree, 60mm)
> TRP RRL SL levers
> Microshift bar ends, 11 sp
> ESI bar tape
> Cane Creek 100 headset
>
> Drivetrain:
> Wheels: Velocity A23 rims, XT hubs, hand built at Monkey Wrench Cyles 
> 
> Butted spokes, black hardware
> Compass Barlow Pass EL
> Tubes with Orange Seal sealant
> White Industries R30 double crankset (46tX36t)
> White Industries bottom bracket
> Simworks bubbly pedals
> Ultegra rear der (11 speed)
> 9 Sp XT cassette 11-32
> 105 front der
>
> Brakes:
> Paul Racer centerpulls
> Paul Funky Monkey cable stop
> Paul Moon units
>
> Saddle: Brooks C17 carved
> Seatpost: Nitto S65
>
> (Spurcycle bell in photos is not included) 
>

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