Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Piaw Na]

Paul: that picture is from the top of Stelvio pass. While it is long (48 
switchbacks) and about 6000' of climbing, it's actually a steady 7-10% 
grade, and nowhere as fearsome as some of the steepies here in the Bay 
Area. I did drag my 10 year old and 7 year old over the top of that pass 
last summer, and we did it over 3 days (the ebike didn't have enough 
battery to do it in one day while carrying luggage anyway). It felt like a 
lot of work, but having ridden it on my single it's an easy day ride for 
most bay area cyclists. The steepest thing Jobst regularly did in Europe 
was the Gavia, which was indeed a fearsome 16% grade on the south side on a 
one lane dirt road. I'm too terrified to descend it on the tandem or 
triplet, but have done it a few times on a single. One thing to keep in 
mind is that on these Italian passes there are hotels all the way up and 
down the mountains with plenty of places to stay so you never have to do 
the whole thing in one day if you don't want to. And my (then 6-year old) 
son taught me in 2018 that that hotel on the 22nd hairpin on the Stelvio 
that I always either rode past or only stayed in bad weather had the most 
gorgeous hiking trails behind the hotel that made it worth a visit even in 
good weather, so now we don't do the Stelvio without stopping there.

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:08:40 PM UTC-8 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Eric,
>
> Great sleuthing to find that 2008 blog post by Brandt. Wonderful stuff. 
> I'm not used to seeing him with grey hair like that. 
> By the way, am I crazy? Is that his chain hanging loosely between the FD 
> and the RD? I guess if I had just ridden up all those switchbacks I might 
> have finished by shifting into the wrong gears too. (Though he does not 
> look winded like I would be, ha.)
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike 
>> very similar to what he ran most of his life. Steel frame, no racks, rim 
>> brakes. Maybe a frame that would accommodate wider tires. 
>>
>> Here's a picture of Jobst from his last Alpine tour in 2008 (read more 
>> here 
>> 
>> ). 
>>
>> [image: xnemj6.jpg]
>>
>> I'm not sure what make of frames he was riding in this era. But after 50 
>> years of touring thousands of miles every summer in Italy, Switzerland and 
>> France (in addition to the long rides in California) I can't see him 
>> switching up and running racks or a rando build. He was famously ornery and 
>> I think he had his system right where he wanted it. He'd tour with a 
>> Carradice and stayed in hotels along the way (many with friends and 
>> families he'd met in the 1950s). 
>>
>> As for frame material, this is of course a guess, but I'd wager he'd 
>> stick with steel. He rode well into the carbon era. As Tom shared in the 
>> Radavist article today Brandt would get a new frame every few years, 
>> worried about damage or fractures. He chose yellow paint for his bikes 
>> because he thought it was the best for highlighting damage. I could see his 
>> familiarity with steel keeping him on steel frames. And I could see the 
>> possibility of catastrophic failure keeping him from carbon. 
>>
>> Regarding helmets, I don't think Brandt ever wore one. He probably shared 
>> an explanation for this back on rec.bicycles.tech but that's way before my 
>> time. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
>>> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
>>> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
>>> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. 
 During Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve

 On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:

> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>
>> Today's Radavist 
>> 
>>  article 
>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Kim Hetzel]

Eric,

Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale !
https://www.kucharik.com/

I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John 
Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool !

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice solid 
> colors and I think generally shorts are too long! 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike 
>> very similar to what he ran most of his life. Steel frame, no racks, rim 
>> brakes. Maybe a frame that would accommodate wider tires. 
>>
>> Here's a picture of Jobst from his last Alpine tour in 2008 (read more 
>> here 
>> 
>> ). 
>>
>> [image: xnemj6.jpg]
>>
>> I'm not sure what make of frames he was riding in this era. But after 50 
>> years of touring thousands of miles every summer in Italy, Switzerland and 
>> France (in addition to the long rides in California) I can't see him 
>> switching up and running racks or a rando build. He was famously ornery and 
>> I think he had his system right where he wanted it. He'd tour with a 
>> Carradice and stayed in hotels along the way (many with friends and 
>> families he'd met in the 1950s). 
>>
>> As for frame material, this is of course a guess, but I'd wager he'd 
>> stick with steel. He rode well into the carbon era. As Tom shared in the 
>> Radavist article today Brandt would get a new frame every few years, 
>> worried about damage or fractures. He chose yellow paint for his bikes 
>> because he thought it was the best for highlighting damage. I could see his 
>> familiarity with steel keeping him on steel frames. And I could see the 
>> possibility of catastrophic failure keeping him from carbon. 
>>
>> Regarding helmets, I don't think Brandt ever wore one. He probably shared 
>> an explanation for this back on rec.bicycles.tech but that's way before my 
>> time. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
>>> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
>>> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
>>> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. 
 During Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve

 On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:

> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>
>> Today's Radavist 
>> 
>>  article 
>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>>
>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
>> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build? 
>>  
>>
>> Take it away if you wish, 
>> Andrew
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Kim Hetzel]

George,

I, too, remember well those days. I use to own one of those "leather hair 
nets". Then I graduated to a first issue Bell helmet. I wore and short wool 
cycling shorts with a natural chamois insert.  Still love my wool jerseys, 
arm and leg warmers, especially here in the Pacific Northwest. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. During 
>> Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
 to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
 result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
 his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 

 Today's Radavist 
 
  article 
 really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
 likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 

 What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
 lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
 performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  

 Take it away if you wish, 
 Andrew

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>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric,

Great sleuthing to find that 2008 blog post by Brandt. Wonderful stuff. I'm 
not used to seeing him with grey hair like that. 
By the way, am I crazy? Is that his chain hanging loosely between the FD 
and the RD? I guess if I had just ridden up all those switchbacks I might 
have finished by shifting into the wrong gears too. (Though he does not 
look winded like I would be, ha.)

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike very 
> similar to what he ran most of his life. Steel frame, no racks, rim brakes. 
> Maybe a frame that would accommodate wider tires. 
>
> Here's a picture of Jobst from his last Alpine tour in 2008 (read more 
> here 
> 
> ). 
>
> [image: xnemj6.jpg]
>
> I'm not sure what make of frames he was riding in this era. But after 50 
> years of touring thousands of miles every summer in Italy, Switzerland and 
> France (in addition to the long rides in California) I can't see him 
> switching up and running racks or a rando build. He was famously ornery and 
> I think he had his system right where he wanted it. He'd tour with a 
> Carradice and stayed in hotels along the way (many with friends and 
> families he'd met in the 1950s). 
>
> As for frame material, this is of course a guess, but I'd wager he'd stick 
> with steel. He rode well into the carbon era. As Tom shared in the Radavist 
> article today Brandt would get a new frame every few years, worried about 
> damage or fractures. He chose yellow paint for his bikes because he thought 
> it was the best for highlighting damage. I could see his familiarity with 
> steel keeping him on steel frames. And I could see the possibility of 
> catastrophic failure keeping him from carbon. 
>
> Regarding helmets, I don't think Brandt ever wore one. He probably shared 
> an explanation for this back on rec.bicycles.tech but that's way before my 
> time. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
>> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
>> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
>> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. During 
>>> Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley  wrote:
>>>
 One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>
> Today's Radavist 
> 
>  article 
> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>
> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
>
> Take it away if you wish, 
> Andrew
>
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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTT/WTB

[Steve]

Nick, thanks for sharing the DIY seat bag mount. Brilliant use of the 
stoker stem! 

Patrick, please be sure to post when you pull your project together. (Sorry 
I have nothing to offer for it)

I've used a Carradice Bagman which mounts off the saddle rails. It was okay 
but I definitely think transferring the load to the lowest possible point 
on the exposed seat post is a much better way to go. Currently using front 
bags on two of my bikes with an additional 1/2 frame bag on my fire road 
bike (no, I did not say gravel!!!) The 1/2 frame bag is great for keeping 
the weight low and centered, though not "quick release" by any stretch of 
the imagination.
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 2:59:19 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Here's my home-made quick release saddlebag and mount. The mount was 
> originally a tandem stoker stem that I got a local framebuilder to modify. 
> I made the bag on an old treadle industrial sewing machine that I was 
> gifted - it's made from a cotton-polyester mix canvas. The clips that hook 
> the bag onto the mount are tonneau cover clips from an auto supply shop and 
> what they hook onto is a small length of 1/4" O.D. stainless steel tube. 
> The bag goes on and off in a couple of seconds, and it and the mount have 
> now lasted me over 30 years - I've transferred it from bike to bike over 
> that time - first photo was taken about 25 years ago, 2nd photo last year. 
> For that design you do need to be tall enough for there to be sufficient 
> room between saddle and rear wheel.
> [image: BAG2.JPG]
> [image: PXL_20220122_033141855.jpg]
>
> Nick
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Marks Rack or Obento WTT/FS: RBW52F

[JW]

Sale price on out of stock RBW52F: $240 + shipping via Pirate Ship

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:12:10 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:

> Sold mine last year, want another. Or a SimWorks Obento.
>
> Have RBW52F to trade with cash on your end if you want.
>
> Please respond off list if theres a deal to be made.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jared in SLO, CA
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[RBW] ISO: Marks Rack or Obento WTT/FS: RBW52F

[JW]

Sold mine last year, want another. Or a SimWorks Obento.

Have RBW52F to trade with cash on your end if you want.

Please respond off list if theres a deal to be made.

Thanks!

Jared in SLO, CA

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[RBW] Re: Susie Lugged

[Kim Hetzel]

I am excited to see CLEMs' coming out later this year or least to be 
determined; completes and frames. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 4:53:00 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> I like those dark-gold Homers...and possibly a dark-gold Road Uno in 2023?
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:12:59 PM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I noticed the lugged susie too! Wonder how it will look, Ive been 
>> resisting the temptation for the dark gold Susies so far but my brain keeps 
>> circling back to them.. I keep toying with the idea of letting my Joe go to 
>> get a susie.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:23:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> What about purple Roadunos in September?
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What you say?? I say! The Riv email newsletter says there's something 
 called Susie Lugged in dark gold coming June 2023. Well ok! 

 Joe Bernard 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Lugged

[Ryan]

I like those dark-gold Homers...and possibly a dark-gold Road Uno in 2023?

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:12:59 PM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:

> I noticed the lugged susie too! Wonder how it will look, Ive been 
> resisting the temptation for the dark gold Susies so far but my brain keeps 
> circling back to them.. I keep toying with the idea of letting my Joe go to 
> get a susie.
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:23:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> What about purple Roadunos in September?
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What you say?? I say! The Riv email newsletter says there's something 
>>> called Susie Lugged in dark gold coming June 2023. Well ok! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Jock Dewey]

RE: JB

Near as I can remember, I started lusting after bicycles at about age 
four...that was a long time ago now. A Dutch track bike dangled from a 
rafter in my Grandfather's garage. It was love at first sight. When I laid 
eyes on my first 10-speed in 1958—a Raleigh Bluestreak—my head (and heart) 
exploded. I've been chasing that one ever since.

My bikes are all steel, I built the oldest in 1998 and most recently one of 
Hiroshi's EBISU, built precisely for my 130 lb. frame. It's an artful, no 
nonsense rocketship. Fast as any carbon—but with its skinny tubes, lugs, 
and curvy fork—looks like it, too, was built in 1958. I also was employed 
by Richard Schwinn in Waterford, WI—therefore surrounded by the metal works 
of many legends, including Richard himself. Those guys all know a thing or 
two.

On our long rides together, my pals and I carried on endlessly about JB the 
engineer or rather, his many opinions  / obsessions / observations. We all 
agreed with most every JB declaration. We whiled away the hours, mile after 
mile, jabbering until our vocal chords gave out. I didn't have the math 
skills to make it as an engineer, but I've got the heart for it. My 
grandfather was a brilliant aircraft designer...I just wasn't there when 
the math genes were passed out. 

But I am handy, I love tools, and I've always maintained and built my own 
bicycles (frames notwithstanding). In fact, the only mechanic I ever 
trusted was Colin O'Brien, proprietor of Cronometro in Madison Wisconsin 
and as I recall I may have let him work on one of my bikes one time long 
ago. 

Someone wondered how he'd fit in today, good question. I have a riding pal 
in Athens, GA with a beautiful collection of steel bikes—including works by 
Richard Sachs, Peter Weigle, Pegoretti, Masi, and others in that club. But 
he also rides modern carbon bikes and will argue energetically with anyone 
who looks down on today's machines. He loves his 'plastic' (as referenced 
by Richard S.) 26-speed and the science behind it.

So back to JB. I'd be inclined to say that he'd look down upon carbon bikes 
(with 8 oz. carbon wheels) and the way we ride them. Meaning lots of gears, 
high cadence, wider tires, plastic seatposts 2 feet long, skinsuits, bike 
positioning, white socks reaching up to the knees, and those damn white 
shoes  etc. etc.

But maybe, with his obvious intelligence and brilliant engineering chops, 
he'd totally embrace the technology. 

The more I think about it, I'm betting he would. Afterall, consider all the 
carbon in a Porsche 963. Take away all that plastic, not much left but the 
tires.

BEST / Jock Dewey



On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to 
> current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>
> Today's Radavist 
> 
>  article 
> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>
> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a lot 
> of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
>
> Take it away if you wish, 
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Stephen]

Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local have 
one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually end up 
ordering from riv.

Thanks for lookin!

Stephen

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[RBW] Re: Susie Lugged

[Stephen]

I noticed the lugged susie too! Wonder how it will look, Ive been resisting 
the temptation for the dark gold Susies so far but my brain keeps circling 
back to them.. I keep toying with the idea of letting my Joe go to get a 
susie.

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:23:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> What about purple Roadunos in September?
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What you say?? I say! The Riv email newsletter says there's something 
>> called Susie Lugged in dark gold coming June 2023. Well ok! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[Eric Marth]

Closet thing I can find, Max, is the announcement in Riv Reader number 41, 
starting on page 6. 

http://notfine.com/rivendell/RR41.pdf

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone have a copy of the pdf referenced here:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html
>
> From Riv Sept, 2010
>
> Filename: rbw_090910_bombadil.pdf
>
> Thanks!
> Max
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

That's very sweet of you to say, Mike, thank you!

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 2:46:42 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another great video and bike build Eric. Thanks.
>
> mike
>
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:45:54 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Quite nice, John, thank you for sharing! Seems it's held up well over the 
>> past decade-plus. And it looks like a fun and gravy ride. Enjoy!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:15:44 AM UTC-5 John Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Really inspiring work, Eric!
>>>
>>> Hope it's okay if I share my bare-metal bridgestone here. Back in 2009 
>>> or so, I had an XO-2 stripped and clear-coated by a local shop. Today it's 
>>> got it's fair share of rust/spidering (I probably shoulda reapplied some 
>>> clearcoat but didn't), but it's still my favorite daily rider. It started 
>>> out with drops and a triple, then changed to albastache bars, and finally a 
>>> bullmoose bar I had laying around and changed to drivetrain to a 1x with an 
>>> alpine gear. 
>>> [image: 20230201_143227.jpg][image: 20230201_143222.jpg]
>>>
>>> -John
>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 3:24:26 PM UTC+1 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Keith. I'm glad to hear I'm tolerable enough for the kids. 

 I appreciate the kind note!

 The button-head bolts were filler when I first got the frame. All 
 socket-head now 

 On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:32:00 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> Another lovely bike and another beautiful video, Eric.  
> I've watched it a couple of times now. (The kids will come in and 
> groan "oh, the bike guy again,"  but then stay and watch the whole 
> thing.) 
> I know how much thought and work and effort goes into all that 
> coverage. I really appreciate how much love you put into them.
>
> Looks like you found some round-headed brass bolts for your bottle 
> mounts. Nice find.
>
> Paul, that Trek is a treat. What a color!
>
> k.
>
> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:18:58 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made 
>> from nickel, for me several years ago.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Eric Marth  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!
>>>
>>> Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into 
>>> the still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just 
>>> couldn't 
>>> render the metal surface and details. 
>>>
>>> Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the 
>>> link. The Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love 
>>> into 
>>> it. A proper headbadge always beats a decal!
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 Eric,
 I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully 
 relaxing! (As well as informative, of course.)
 I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may 
 already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges 
 and 
 does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)  
 Revolution Cycle Jewelry: 
 https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
 I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike 
 that I had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989. 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

 On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. 
> I have a full build video up over here: 
> https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock 
> but for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the 
> frame 
> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
> fork 
> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle 
> boss to 
> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He 
> also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two 
> applications of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by 
> clear 
> lacquer and wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 

Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. 

Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee 
shirt with that design. 
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote:

> Ill play along.  I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010.  Its my absolute 
> favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized expedition i 
> owned.  I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was selling when 
> these first came out.  
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for John's 
>> yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos:
>>
>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg]
>> Max
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built 
 Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year!

 [image: IMG_9161.jpg]

 Happy holidays,
 Vern in San Francisco
 On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 foolis...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I 
> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It 
> keeps 
> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like a 
> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq 
> info 
> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to 
> me. 
>
> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame.  I pre-ordered 
>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to 
>> somebody else.  When they realized their mistake they offered the 
>> remaining 
>> 54CM from the first Waterford run.  My understanding is that the more 
>> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were 
>> too 
>> difficult for the factory to produce.  My Taiwan built Sam  has the less 
>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs.  Everything 
>> people 
>> say about the ride is true.  The Hunq is a 
>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my frame 
>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides surprisingly 
>> quickly.  I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides 
>> with 
>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough.
>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG]
>> Here's where it's taken me so far.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would 
>>> only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight.  In 
>>> the 
>>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed 
>>> quite a 
>>> collection of Hunqapillar photos.  
>>>
>>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest 
>>> Hunqapillars have mismatched headtube lugs.  The top has points on the 
>>> sides but on some bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no 
>>> point 
>>> on some bikes and pointed on the sides of others.  I'm wondering if 
>>> this 
>>> factor differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of Toyo 
>>> made 
>>> some, it seems like they did) ones.  
>>>
>>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug.  
>>>
>>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 005 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a 
>>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug
>>>
>>> [image: 006.jpg]
>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 
>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 All,

 I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original 
 Hunqabook" PDF.  I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here you 
 go.

 On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim 
 wrote:

> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was 
> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of the 
> Tolkien names.
>
> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally during 
> a visit to RBWHQ It was the same as he later wrote in one of the 
> Readers. 
>
> The first Hunqapillar I ever 

[RBW] Pineapple Bob Bridgestone tee: Who got it?

[Eric Marth]

I sent Will the Depop link to the Bridgestone tee in today's email. I 
noticed it sold, wondering if anyone here nabbed it :) 

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[RBW] Roaduno catnip

[Edwin W]

>From Will's email update today:
September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark gold).

That's good news!

Roaduno dreaming,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Susie Lugged

[lconley]

What about purple Roadunos in September?

Laing

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What you say?? I say! The Riv email newsletter says there's something 
> called Susie Lugged in dark gold coming June 2023. Well ok! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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[RBW] Susie Lugged

[Joe Bernard]

What you say?? I say! The Riv email newsletter says there's something 
called Susie Lugged in dark gold coming June 2023. Well ok! 

Joe Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

I stand corrected, I knew that but can’t get over thinking otherwise for
sone reason. So rare these days, riders without helmets. That, of course,
is taboo discussion as well it should be.

I suppose we all have favorite JB debunking, there are so many. My all-time
fav is the old notion of not greasing BB spindle. He laid that to waste
properly please & thank you. My tattered and greasy bike wheel book always
close by.

Jock

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:28 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> No. He did not land on his head! His brain injury was caused by a stroke
> during the surgery that was done after he'd broken his leg from a fall.
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of
>> course, Jobst had solid engineering chops as exhibited in his work at
>> Porsche.
>>
>> Ah, helmet debate. Jobst did land on his head & that was the end of the
>> road for him. Sadly...or maybe not.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:37 PM Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50
>>> years.
>>>
>>>- Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the
>>>first time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is 
>>> still
>>>tough, reliable, and cheap.
>>>- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to
>>>dive into The Jobst Hole to find out.
>>>- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no
>>>worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake.
>>>- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan
>>>debate the testing protocol.
>>>- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the
>>>two times a day he'd shift.
>>>- Yellow.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> rec.bicycles.tech
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still
 feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills
 road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle,
 riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name
 alive!
 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same
> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals.
> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I
> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he 
> be
> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial
> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with
> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on
> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some
> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more
> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc
> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the
> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th
> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of
> titanium frame.
>
> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim
>> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his
>> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech 
>> that
>> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a
>> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily 
>> on
>> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub
>> would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's
>> comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning
>> towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have
>> beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene
>> Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride
>> whatever it is to the ground though.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.
>>> A few things stood out to me:
>>>
>>> - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
>>> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
>>> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
>>> - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the
>>> work ;)
>>>
>>> 

[RBW] Re: Fun film encounter

[Matti]

Depth of field!

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:15:09 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> beautiful portrait.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:17:56 AM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> of course the bike is a big reason why this shot is great, but lets not 
>> dismiss how much you add to it, overall compostion is great!  i would be 
>> happy to hang that on my wall, and i'm not even you!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:52:38 PM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> About 2 weeks ago I was riding home from work on a cold, grey day and 
>>> overtook a two friend walking on the multi-use trail on which i commute. I 
>>> stopped to chat, and one of them got out a camera and asked if she could 
>>> take some photos -- I said sure... 
>>>
>>> She just emailed me this digital image of the print image she took and 
>>> developed -- she'll being over the actual print this weekend. Neato -- 
>>> although had I been thinking about the photo instead of chatting I would 
>>> have flipped the bike around drive-side out!  
>>>
>>> Bike is my Clem H 65 cm. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Mike Packard]

Another great video and bike build Eric. Thanks.

mike


On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:45:54 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Quite nice, John, thank you for sharing! Seems it's held up well over the 
> past decade-plus. And it looks like a fun and gravy ride. Enjoy!
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:15:44 AM UTC-5 John Johnson wrote:
>
>> Really inspiring work, Eric!
>>
>> Hope it's okay if I share my bare-metal bridgestone here. Back in 2009 or 
>> so, I had an XO-2 stripped and clear-coated by a local shop. Today it's got 
>> it's fair share of rust/spidering (I probably shoulda reapplied some 
>> clearcoat but didn't), but it's still my favorite daily rider. It started 
>> out with drops and a triple, then changed to albastache bars, and finally a 
>> bullmoose bar I had laying around and changed to drivetrain to a 1x with an 
>> alpine gear. 
>> [image: 20230201_143227.jpg][image: 20230201_143222.jpg]
>>
>> -John
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 3:24:26 PM UTC+1 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Keith. I'm glad to hear I'm tolerable enough for the kids. 
>>>
>>> I appreciate the kind note!
>>>
>>> The button-head bolts were filler when I first got the frame. All 
>>> socket-head now 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:32:00 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 Another lovely bike and another beautiful video, Eric.  
 I've watched it a couple of times now. (The kids will come in and groan 
 "oh, the bike guy again,"  but then stay and watch the whole thing.) 
 I know how much thought and work and effort goes into all that 
 coverage. I really appreciate how much love you put into them.

 Looks like you found some round-headed brass bolts for your bottle 
 mounts. Nice find.

 Paul, that Trek is a treat. What a color!

 k.

 On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:18:58 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made 
> from nickel, for me several years ago.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!
>>
>> Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into 
>> the still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just 
>> couldn't 
>> render the metal surface and details. 
>>
>> Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the 
>> link. The Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love 
>> into 
>> it. A proper headbadge always beats a decal!
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>> I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully 
>>> relaxing! (As well as informative, of course.)
>>> I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may 
>>> already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges 
>>> and 
>>> does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)  
>>> Revolution Cycle Jewelry: 
>>> https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
>>> I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that 
>>> I had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989. 
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]

 Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. 
 I have a full build video up over here: 
 https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]

 I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock 
 but for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the 
 frame 
 over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
 fork 
 and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle 
 boss to 
 the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He 
 also 
 stripped the frame to raw steel. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]

 Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two 
 applications of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by 
 clear 
 lacquer and wax. 

 [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]

 It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
 De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
 RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
 Phelan. 

Re: [RBW] Leker Leks Albacore bar (Simworks Ramble etc)

[Brian Turner]

I think a lot of the alternative bars that are coming out seem to be 
filling a certain niche for riders who are looking for different positions 
but also the room to easily attach larger handlebar bags, like BxB, Fab's 
Chest, etc. Width is also something that has been trending as folks are 
looking for more comfort and control on rougher terrain. Personally I don't 
feel like a lot of the bars traditionally sold by Rivendell fill those 
needs. They might have a really comfortable sweep, but they're too narrow. 
Or they have a really comfortable width, but there's not enough room to 
easily attach a bag. Interestingly, the one bar Riv has come up with that 
made me say, "yeah, that's the one for me!" isn't even made by Nitto (the 
Tosco bar). Once people started bending and shaping their Noodles and 
Albatross bars to their liking, it's only natural to see a cottage industry 
of smaller companies making a variety of niche bars that all have nods to 
all the Nitto / RIvendell bars that came before them. I love it!

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 2:01:25 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> I’m just very interested in all the bars coming out…the Worm bar is 
> another (Magic Components) 
>
> On Feb 2, 2023, at 10:40, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Looks kinda cool, love the cottage industry aspect of it.  All of these 
> types of bars seem VERY derivative of RBW and/or Nitto products though, 
> IMHO of course.  Also pretty sure the steel Nitto stuff will also rust 
> under the right (wrong ;^) conditions...
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 10:31 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
>> I think it looks cool but I’m pretty put off by the fact that it will 
>> rust…
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:28 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of the Ramble bar, has anyone checked out the Albacore bar by 
>>> Lekerleks? Leker bars to be sold by Hope Cyclery. Sold at Mack’s Bikes and 
>>> Goods. Made in PA. A wide steel Albatross inspired bar. Not sure they’re 
>>> out there in the world yet. 
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[RBW] Re: Simworks Ramble Bar experiences

[Damien]

Thanks for the replies everyone. As an FYI, I'm a bit of a smaller guy, but 
bought these because I enjoyed my Albatross bars with the only knock on 
them being that they were too narrow and I felt cramped with them even with 
a 120mm stem. My hope was that these bars would give some of the benefits I 
enjoyed with the Albatrossbut wider.

On Thursday, 2 February 2023 at 11:41:24 UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks like mounting these with negative rise could be something like a 
> wider Choco bar, with a little less sweep, which could be good for trail 
> riding.  (I love the ChocoMoose on my Hunq, but would be nice to be able to 
> lean into the bars a bit more off road.)
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:06:38 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> If you still have buyer's remorse after receiving them, let me know.  I 
>> wasn't aware of these, but they look to be very much what I wish for on a 
>> daily basis.  (Essentially, a really wide albatross bar.)  Wish they had a 
>> 25.4 or 22.2 clamp area, and the grip area looks too short.  Actually, they 
>> even admit that part.  But you could always use extenders to lengthen them 
>> if you don't want bar end shifters.  
>>
>> Funny that they recommend a specific stem length.  That's really going to 
>> depend on the bike, the desired position, and the particular rider's 
>> physiology.  I think you'll still have to experiment with stems, just like 
>> any bar. It's not like we're living in the 90s when every bike had the 
>> exact same geometry.
>>
>> The reason those look appealing to me is because I'm a big-ish guy with 
>> broad shoulders and a proprtionally long torso that puts my ideal grip 
>> posiition further forward than most would want.  The last half-decade or so 
>> has been a godsend for me with bars getting wider, but most (like the 
>> tosco) sweep back without sweeping forward first, which means I need a 
>> longer tem - which are hard to find.
>>
>> Let us know what you think.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:55:15 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! I'm curious if anyone has experience with these bars? I was able to 
>>> track down a pair and I pulled the trigger on them without any real thought 
>>> and had immediate buyers remorse. That said, I'd still love to hear others 
>>> thoughts on them before I go down the dark path of buying parts to switch 
>>> out my drop bars. How do they ride? Are they too wide? How did you set them 
>>> up (i.e., stem length, etc.)? Recommend?
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> Oh, and for reference, here they are: 
>>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/golden-pliers-x-simworks-ramble-bar
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Leker Leks Albacore bar (Simworks Ramble etc)

[luckyturnip]

I’m just very interested in all the bars coming out…the Worm bar is another (Magic Components) On Feb 2, 2023, at 10:40, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:Looks kinda cool, love the cottage industry aspect of it.  All of these types of bars seem VERY derivative of RBW and/or Nitto products though, IMHO of course.  Also pretty sure the steel Nitto stuff will also rust under the right (wrong ;^) conditions...DougOn Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 10:31 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:I think it looks cool but I’m pretty put off by the fact that it will rust…On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:28 AM  wrote:Speaking of the Ramble bar, has anyone checked out the Albacore bar by Lekerleks? Leker bars to be sold by Hope Cyclery. Sold at Mack’s Bikes and Goods. Made in PA. A wide steel Albatross inspired bar. Not sure they’re out there in the world yet.




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Re: [RBW] Leker Leks Albacore bar (Simworks Ramble etc)

[Doug Van Cleve]

Looks kinda cool, love the cottage industry aspect of it.  All of these
types of bars seem VERY derivative of RBW and/or Nitto products though,
IMHO of course.  Also pretty sure the steel Nitto stuff will also rust
under the right (wrong ;^) conditions...

Doug

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 10:31 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> I think it looks cool but I’m pretty put off by the fact that it will rust…
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:28 AM  wrote:
>
>> Speaking of the Ramble bar, has anyone checked out the Albacore bar by
>> Lekerleks? Leker bars to be sold by Hope Cyclery. Sold at Mack’s Bikes and
>> Goods. Made in PA. A wide steel Albatross inspired bar. Not sure they’re
>> out there in the world yet.
>
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Re: [RBW] Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Piaw Na]

When I first picked up my Co-Motion triplet 
(https://blog.piaw.net/2015/02/first-impression-co-motion-periscope.html), 
the shop employee raved and told me that he'd gotten Peter Johnson to 
fabricate the BB on the kid's position. At that time I didn't realize that 
this was one of the last pieces of work Peter Johnson would do before he 
passed away. Both my kids ended up using that piece to get on the bike far 
earlier than they would have otherwise, and now that piece is retired, but 
it's nice to know I have a piece of cycling history sitting in the garage.

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:36:43 AM UTC-8 James Valiensi wrote:

> Hi,
> I believe Jobst road bikes made by Peter Johnson of north California. 
> Peter’s frames were the best made, ever. I met and road with Peter a few 
> times, and seen his frames without paint, his craftsmanship was without 
> peers.
>
> On Feb 2, 2023, at 7:15 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Considering the very large size frame shown in these various photos I'm 
> surprised that he still insisted on using DT shifters - that'd be a long 
> reach.  'Course, I suppose it didn't matter much since he didn't shift very 
> often...
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:02:29 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Given the stubbornness and native retrogrouchery he exhibited during his 
>> 80-something years of riding -- he was riding basically the same sort of 
>> bike in 2010 as he rode in 1960 -- I'd guess that if he were riding in 2023 
>> he'd be riding the same thing. 
>>
>> I think this is one of his last bikes; an all terrain bike by his usage. 
>> He did progress to a threadless stem and clipless pedals.
>>
>> Laing remarks on the absence of helmets in the Tom Ritchey article 
>> photos. The photos seem to be from the 1970s or early 1980s, back before 
>> helmets became common; I recall buying my first helmet circa 1986 or 1987 
>> -- that heavy Bell VI-Pro made of thick, stiff plastic, but helmets then at 
>> least in W DC, were just becoming common.
>>
>> The proportion of his 700C wheels to his seat tube -- 68 cm? -- is very 
>> like that of my 559 wheels to my 58 cm seat tube.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:49 AM Andrew Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to 
>>> current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
>>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
>>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>>
>>> Today's Radavist 
>>> 
>>>  article 
>>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
>>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>>>
>>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a lot 
>>> of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
>>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
>>>
>>> Take it away if you wish, 
>>> Andrew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Leker Leks Albacore bar (Simworks Ramble etc)

[Eliot Balogh]

I think it looks cool but I’m pretty put off by the fact that it will rust…

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:28 AM  wrote:

> Speaking of the Ramble bar, has anyone checked out the Albacore bar by
> Lekerleks? Leker bars to be sold by Hope Cyclery. Sold at Mack’s Bikes and
> Goods. Made in PA. A wide steel Albatross inspired bar. Not sure they’re
> out there in the world yet.
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[RBW] Re: Simworks Ramble Bar experiences

[James M]

Looks like mounting these with negative rise could be something like a 
wider Choco bar, with a little less sweep, which could be good for trail 
riding.  (I love the ChocoMoose on my Hunq, but would be nice to be able to 
lean into the bars a bit more off road.)

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:06:38 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> If you still have buyer's remorse after receiving them, let me know.  I 
> wasn't aware of these, but they look to be very much what I wish for on a 
> daily basis.  (Essentially, a really wide albatross bar.)  Wish they had a 
> 25.4 or 22.2 clamp area, and the grip area looks too short.  Actually, they 
> even admit that part.  But you could always use extenders to lengthen them 
> if you don't want bar end shifters.  
>
> Funny that they recommend a specific stem length.  That's really going to 
> depend on the bike, the desired position, and the particular rider's 
> physiology.  I think you'll still have to experiment with stems, just like 
> any bar. It's not like we're living in the 90s when every bike had the 
> exact same geometry.
>
> The reason those look appealing to me is because I'm a big-ish guy with 
> broad shoulders and a proprtionally long torso that puts my ideal grip 
> posiition further forward than most would want.  The last half-decade or so 
> has been a godsend for me with bars getting wider, but most (like the 
> tosco) sweep back without sweeping forward first, which means I need a 
> longer tem - which are hard to find.
>
> Let us know what you think.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:55:15 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:
>
>> Hi! I'm curious if anyone has experience with these bars? I was able to 
>> track down a pair and I pulled the trigger on them without any real thought 
>> and had immediate buyers remorse. That said, I'd still love to hear others 
>> thoughts on them before I go down the dark path of buying parts to switch 
>> out my drop bars. How do they ride? Are they too wide? How did you set them 
>> up (i.e., stem length, etc.)? Recommend?
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Oh, and for reference, here they are: 
>> https://sim-works.com/en/news/golden-pliers-x-simworks-ramble-bar
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Simworks Ramble Bar experiences

[Jacob Byard]

So I actually picked up one via a list member a couple weeks ago. I missed out on the release so was happy to get a pair. I installed them on the Gus and swapped out the stem three times before settling on a length. The previous bar was a Jones Loop on a 90mm stem. I’m at a 60mm stem now and the fit is really nice. I’ve put about 10 miles on it so far and like it. I did have to re-cable the rear brake to accommodate the new position. The grip area is short. It works fine for me but a little more length would be nice. Grip extensions are a great idea and I’ve got a pair on hand. Never thought about using them. I’ll probably wrap the bend area after I’ve done a couple long rides. Just want to make sure I get along with them before going down that road. My Ron’s large chest bag mounted easily. If you’re using a front bag the bar will play nicely. They are wide but I’m a big guy riding an extra large Gus. I’m happy with the purchase. Cheers,JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 2, 2023, at 11:06 AM, iamkeith  wrote:If you still have buyer's remorse after receiving them, let me know.  I wasn't aware of these, but they look to be very much what I wish for on a daily basis.  (Essentially, a really wide albatross bar.)  Wish they had a 25.4 or 22.2 clamp area, and the grip area looks too short.  Actually, they even admit that part.  But you could always use extenders to lengthen them if you don't want bar end shifters.  Funny that they recommend a specific stem length.  That's really going to depend on the bike, the desired position, and the particular rider's physiology.  I think you'll still have to experiment with stems, just like any bar. It's not like we're living in the 90s when every bike had the exact same geometry.The reason those look appealing to me is because I'm a big-ish guy with broad shoulders and a proprtionally long torso that puts my ideal grip posiition further forward than most would want.  The last half-decade or so has been a godsend for me with bars getting wider, but most (like the tosco) sweep back without sweeping forward first, which means I need a longer tem - which are hard to find.Let us know what you think.On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:55:15 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:Hi! I'm curious if anyone has experience with these bars? I was able to track down a pair and I pulled the trigger on them without any real thought and had immediate buyers remorse. That said, I'd still love to hear others thoughts on them before I go down the dark path of buying parts to switch out my drop bars. How do they ride? Are they too wide? How did you set them up (i.e., stem length, etc.)? Recommend?Thanks all!Oh, and for reference, here they are: https://sim-works.com/en/news/golden-pliers-x-simworks-ramble-bar



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[RBW] Leker Leks Albacore bar (Simworks Ramble etc)

[luckyturnip]

Speaking of the Ramble bar, has anyone checked out the Albacore bar by 
Lekerleks? Leker bars to be sold by Hope Cyclery. Sold at Mack’s Bikes and 
Goods. Made in PA. A wide steel Albatross inspired bar. Not sure they’re out 
there in the world yet.

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:12:08 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:06:51 AM UTC-8 River Bailey wrote:
Just saw this A. Homer Hilsen on craigslist in Chicago...

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/d/chicago-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7576294872.html


Curious ... ad says, " just not using it as much as I thought I would". How 
much did they think they were going to use it in December in Chicago?  

Ted Durant
Just up the road in Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Simworks Ramble Bar experiences

[iamkeith]

If you still have buyer's remorse after receiving them, let me know.  I 
wasn't aware of these, but they look to be very much what I wish for on a 
daily basis.  (Essentially, a really wide albatross bar.)  Wish they had a 
25.4 or 22.2 clamp area, and the grip area looks too short.  Actually, they 
even admit that part.  But you could always use extenders to lengthen them 
if you don't want bar end shifters.  

Funny that they recommend a specific stem length.  That's really going to 
depend on the bike, the desired position, and the particular rider's 
physiology.  I think you'll still have to experiment with stems, just like 
any bar. It's not like we're living in the 90s when every bike had the 
exact same geometry.

The reason those look appealing to me is because I'm a big-ish guy with 
broad shoulders and a proprtionally long torso that puts my ideal grip 
posiition further forward than most would want.  The last half-decade or so 
has been a godsend for me with bars getting wider, but most (like the 
tosco) sweep back without sweeping forward first, which means I need a 
longer tem - which are hard to find.

Let us know what you think.



On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:55:15 AM UTC-7 Damien wrote:

> Hi! I'm curious if anyone has experience with these bars? I was able to 
> track down a pair and I pulled the trigger on them without any real thought 
> and had immediate buyers remorse. That said, I'd still love to hear others 
> thoughts on them before I go down the dark path of buying parts to switch 
> out my drop bars. How do they ride? Are they too wide? How did you set them 
> up (i.e., stem length, etc.)? Recommend?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Oh, and for reference, here they are: 
> https://sim-works.com/en/news/golden-pliers-x-simworks-ramble-bar
>

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[JohnS]

A double Joe on e-bay, too bad about the fork, says the frame is ok, my 
size, but I'm not interested in the couplers, hope the link works...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195580791334?hash=item2d89860a26:g:8xQAAOSwFcVj2rdv=enc%3AAQAHoJv5UDIf9dDzr79gBBXMhsE8B9HpZo%2Fqge9EDALLRrwXxaXDKk2Bx8qCfNa63hWX%2FNheZOQ6pKAiAOeEbRkMvVYBgpQgArMvYyJsXr382Y9%2BFgsiT%2FVZ7onThJP1Pm8JDrnCDiSCxq6%2F9XGMPv8JKadJzDe2jwKQX5HJiqyVfqBIDaIvo5CKIjNLW0RTcUaiZyv61SKTspQaaBv9FWZdBuQ%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9jBhK3CYQ

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 9:38:48 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> That was snapped up fast!. Reynold decal on fork leads me to believe it's 
> an early Waterford Road or LL
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 12:34:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Epic custom!
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure the condition under the dirt, but looks like good value for a 
>>> custom Riv if you are in the San Jose area. Heck, could sell those tower 
>>> bars and nitto, clean and relist if you don't like it.
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-waterford-built-rivendell/7583922987.html[image:
>>>  
>>> 00d0d_a7kqoWQLvI0_0CI0lM_1200x900.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:20:25 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a price drop on the 60cm Hillborne in Vienna. 

 [image: 325914195_6538259239522205_455293595224308313_n.jpg]

 Sam Hillborne
 60cm
 $1,850
 Vienna, Virginia 

 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562587362592331/
 On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:57:19 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
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> And I’m selling my beautiful Sam in San Mateo.  $2100 
> Pedals and saddle not included. 
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 5:57 PM Eliot Balogh  
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>> There’s a beautiful Ram in Ft Lauderdale
>>
>>
>> https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/d/fort-lauderdale-2007-rivendell/7572481687.html
>>
>>
>> And this Sam in Atlanta
>>
>>
>> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-hillborne-blue-and/7565756188.html
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>>
>> I would have jumped on one if I wasn’t Atlantis hunting. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

Quite nice, John, thank you for sharing! Seems it's held up well over the 
past decade-plus. And it looks like a fun and gravy ride. Enjoy!

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:15:44 AM UTC-5 John Johnson wrote:

> Really inspiring work, Eric!
>
> Hope it's okay if I share my bare-metal bridgestone here. Back in 2009 or 
> so, I had an XO-2 stripped and clear-coated by a local shop. Today it's got 
> it's fair share of rust/spidering (I probably shoulda reapplied some 
> clearcoat but didn't), but it's still my favorite daily rider. It started 
> out with drops and a triple, then changed to albastache bars, and finally a 
> bullmoose bar I had laying around and changed to drivetrain to a 1x with an 
> alpine gear. 
> [image: 20230201_143227.jpg][image: 20230201_143222.jpg]
>
> -John
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 3:24:26 PM UTC+1 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Keith. I'm glad to hear I'm tolerable enough for the kids. 
>>
>> I appreciate the kind note!
>>
>> The button-head bolts were filler when I first got the frame. All 
>> socket-head now 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:32:00 PM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Another lovely bike and another beautiful video, Eric.  
>>> I've watched it a couple of times now. (The kids will come in and groan 
>>> "oh, the bike guy again,"  but then stay and watch the whole thing.) 
>>> I know how much thought and work and effort goes into all that coverage. 
>>> I really appreciate how much love you put into them.
>>>
>>> Looks like you found some round-headed brass bolts for your bottle 
>>> mounts. Nice find.
>>>
>>> Paul, that Trek is a treat. What a color!
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 9:18:58 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Another vote for Jen Green’s fine work. She did a head badge, made from 
 nickel, for me several years ago.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:39 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:

> JohnS — Let us know how it turns out!
>
> Rich — Thanks for the thumbs, Rich. I put a little more effort into 
> the still photo documentation this time around, my iPhone 8 just couldn't 
> render the metal surface and details. 
>
> Paul — Thank you! I hadn't seen Jen Green's work, thanks for the link. 
> The Bontrager is rad! Looks like you put a lot of labor and love into it. 
> A 
> proper headbadge always beats a decal!
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 10:20:00 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> I finally got to view your superb YouTube video - wonderfully 
>> relaxing! (As well as informative, of course.)
>> I loved all the attention you put into the headbadge, too. You may 
>> already know, but a gal in Philly, Jen Green, does custom head badges 
>> and 
>> does a great job. (She works in bronze too, but maybe not brass.)  
>> Revolution Cycle Jewelry: 
>> https://www.headbadges.com/store/c2/Headbadges.html
>> I had her make a Bontrager badge a few years ago for my CX bike that 
>> I had Keith Bontrager build for me in 1989. 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/48051561606/in/dateposted-public/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
>>> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>>
>>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock 
>>> but for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the 
>>> frame 
>>> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
>>> fork 
>>> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle 
>>> boss to 
>>> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>>
>>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications 
>>> of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer 
>>> and 
>>> wax. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>>
>>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
>>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
>>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
>>> Phelan. 
>>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x 
>>> Nitto 
>>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>>
>>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>>
>>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old 

Re: [RBW] Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
I believe Jobst road bikes made by Peter Johnson of north California. Peter’s 
frames were the best made, ever. I met and road with Peter a few times, and 
seen his frames without paint, his craftsmanship was without peers.

> On Feb 2, 2023, at 7:15 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Considering the very large size frame shown in these various photos I'm 
> surprised that he still insisted on using DT shifters - that'd be a long 
> reach.  'Course, I suppose it didn't matter much since he didn't shift very 
> often...
> 
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:02:29 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Given the stubbornness and native retrogrouchery he exhibited during his 
> 80-something years of riding -- he was riding basically the same sort of bike 
> in 2010 as he rode in 1960 -- I'd guess that if he were riding in 2023 he'd 
> be riding the same thing. 
> 
> I think this is one of his last bikes; an all terrain bike by his usage. He 
> did progress to a threadless stem and clipless pedals.
> 
> Laing remarks on the absence of helmets in the Tom Ritchey article photos. 
> The photos seem to be from the 1970s or early 1980s, back before helmets 
> became common; I recall buying my first helmet circa 1986 or 1987 -- that 
> heavy Bell VI-Pro made of thick, stiff plastic, but helmets then at least in 
> W DC, were just becoming common.
> 
> The proportion of his 700C wheels to his seat tube -- 68 cm? -- is very like 
> that of my 559 wheels to my 58 cm seat tube.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:49 AM Andrew Turner  > wrote:
> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to 
> current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a result, 
> it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced his timeline 
> and moved his prime days to current day. 
> 
> Today's Radavist 
> 
>  article really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group 
> who likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
> 
> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a lot of 
> similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for performance and 
> reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
> 
> Take it away if you wish, 
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Re: [RBW] Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Patrick Moore]

And he probably wore a 45" sleeve.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 8:15 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Considering the very large size frame shown in these various photos I'm
> surprised that he still insisted on using DT shifters - that'd be a long
> reach.  'Course, I suppose it didn't matter much since he didn't shift very
> often...
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Re: [RBW] Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[George Schick]

Considering the very large size frame shown in these various photos I'm 
surprised that he still insisted on using DT shifters - that'd be a long 
reach.  'Course, I suppose it didn't matter much since he didn't shift very 
often...

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:02:29 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Given the stubbornness and native retrogrouchery he exhibited during his 
> 80-something years of riding -- he was riding basically the same sort of 
> bike in 2010 as he rode in 1960 -- I'd guess that if he were riding in 2023 
> he'd be riding the same thing. 
>
> I think this is one of his last bikes; an all terrain bike by his usage. 
> He did progress to a threadless stem and clipless pedals.
>
> Laing remarks on the absence of helmets in the Tom Ritchey article photos. 
> The photos seem to be from the 1970s or early 1980s, back before helmets 
> became common; I recall buying my first helmet circa 1986 or 1987 -- that 
> heavy Bell VI-Pro made of thick, stiff plastic, but helmets then at least 
> in W DC, were just becoming common.
>
> The proportion of his 700C wheels to his seat tube -- 68 cm? -- is very 
> like that of my 559 wheels to my 58 cm seat tube.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:49 AM Andrew Turner  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to 
>> current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>
>> Today's Radavist 
>> 
>>  article 
>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>>
>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a lot 
>> of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
>>
>> Take it away if you wish, 
>> Andrew
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[RBW] Re: Fun film encounter

[Shoji Takahashi]

beautiful portrait.



On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 9:17:56 AM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> of course the bike is a big reason why this shot is great, but lets not 
> dismiss how much you add to it, overall compostion is great!  i would be 
> happy to hang that on my wall, and i'm not even you!
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:52:38 PM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> About 2 weeks ago I was riding home from work on a cold, grey day and 
>> overtook a two friend walking on the multi-use trail on which i commute. I 
>> stopped to chat, and one of them got out a camera and asked if she could 
>> take some photos -- I said sure... 
>>
>> She just emailed me this digital image of the print image she took and 
>> developed -- she'll being over the actual print this weekend. Neato -- 
>> although had I been thinking about the photo instead of chatting I would 
>> have flipped the bike around drive-side out!  
>>
>> Bike is my Clem H 65 cm. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL  
>>
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[RBW] Simworks Ramble Bar experiences

[Damien]

Hi! I'm curious if anyone has experience with these bars? I was able to 
track down a pair and I pulled the trigger on them without any real thought 
and had immediate buyers remorse. That said, I'd still love to hear others 
thoughts on them before I go down the dark path of buying parts to switch 
out my drop bars. How do they ride? Are they too wide? How did you set them 
up (i.e., stem length, etc.)? Recommend?

Thanks all!

Oh, and for reference, here they 
are: https://sim-works.com/en/news/golden-pliers-x-simworks-ramble-bar

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sparkly Purple Betty Foy For Sale

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Leah,

My apologies for not replying sooner than you might have expected. 

I thank-you very much for your sharing with me more about Pam Murray. She's 
quite a shining star of joy from her smile. 
Long may she ride !

I recently sold my Brooks B67S saddle to her. I hope she enjoys it more so 
than I did. 

Enjoy !

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Kim, 
>
> Pam is the RivSister of all RivSisters, lol. She will go down in history 
> as the first Rivendell rider to ride her steel frame into dust. I have long 
> told her she needs a custom in whatever her actual size really is, tucked 
> in her closet in case anything (heaven forbid) happen to her little Betty. 
> I saw that bike in person at the Philly Bike Expo. It was clearly 
> thoroughly enjoyed! 
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> [image: image1.jpeg]
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> On Jan 31, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Leah,
>
> I thank-you for your information, regarding the frame size of Pam's Betty 
> Foy. I did not know that. 
>
> Incredible that Pam surpassed the 70,000 mile mark on her bike !  Amazing 
>  
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 6:41:47 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> No - she loves her Betty and, hers is a 47 cm and it’s too big for her. 
>> (This purple Betty is a 52.) She rides it anyway and just crossed the 
>> 70,000 mile mark last week.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 9:39 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Maybe Pam Murray of Pam Bikes would be interested in this Betty Foy for 
>> an upgrade from her old Betty Foy bicycle ?...
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:24:09 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw this on the Facebook group: 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/5574598489315205/
>>>
>>> Seems like someone would just love this one of a kind Betty! 
>>>
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Woolrich CPO Shirt Jacket

[Dave Grossman]

Now $50 shipped

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:23:12 AM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Dropping this to $60 shipped
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 1:57:48 PM UTC-6 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> I have been using this a late Fall/early winter riding piece for a while 
>> but I recently bought an Empire Wool and Canvas pullover and this is just 
>> sitting.  
>>
>> The sizing is worn out but it is an XL.  I have worn it with a hoodie 
>> underneath as well. 
>>
>> Pics are in the album
>>
>> Asking $75 Shipped CONUS
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/T1Bmu55ritsWLCAR8
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[RBW] Re: Fun film encounter

[Minh]

of course the bike is a big reason why this shot is great, but lets not 
dismiss how much you add to it, overall compostion is great!  i would be 
happy to hang that on my wall, and i'm not even you!

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:52:38 PM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> About 2 weeks ago I was riding home from work on a cold, grey day and 
> overtook a two friend walking on the multi-use trail on which i commute. I 
> stopped to chat, and one of them got out a camera and asked if she could 
> take some photos -- I said sure... 
>
> She just emailed me this digital image of the print image she took and 
> developed -- she'll being over the actual print this weekend. Neato -- 
> although had I been thinking about the photo instead of chatting I would 
> have flipped the bike around drive-side out!  
>
> Bike is my Clem H 65 cm. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL  
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[RBW] Re: Fun film encounter

[John A. Bennett]

#pedalbikesshootfilm

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 4:52:38 PM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> About 2 weeks ago I was riding home from work on a cold, grey day and 
> overtook a two friend walking on the multi-use trail on which i commute. I 
> stopped to chat, and one of them got out a camera and asked if she could 
> take some photos -- I said sure... 
>
> She just emailed me this digital image of the print image she took and 
> developed -- she'll being over the actual print this weekend. Neato -- 
> although had I been thinking about the photo instead of chatting I would 
> have flipped the bike around drive-side out!  
>
> Bike is my Clem H 65 cm. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL  
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[RBW] Re: Fun film encounter

[JohnS]

Julian,

Your friend has a very good eye for composition. I could see having that 
one framed.

JohnS

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:07:53 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:

> this is great!
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 4:52:38 PM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> About 2 weeks ago I was riding home from work on a cold, grey day and 
>> overtook a two friend walking on the multi-use trail on which i commute. I 
>> stopped to chat, and one of them got out a camera and asked if she could 
>> take some photos -- I said sure... 
>>
>> She just emailed me this digital image of the print image she took and 
>> developed -- she'll being over the actual print this weekend. Neato -- 
>> although had I been thinking about the photo instead of chatting I would 
>> have flipped the bike around drive-side out!  
>>
>> Bike is my Clem H 65 cm. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL  
>>
>

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