[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Joel, for purposes of chaining I'd suggest ignoring the bash guard and reference your chainline as you would for a conventional double (the bash guard is irrelevant to tchainline considerations. If you happen to have a long enough meter/yardstick (or something like it) you can lay one end between the two chainrings and check which cog on the cassette the other end.of stick rests on. For a nine speed the "ideal" would be a right on the 5th cog, i.e., the middle of the cassette. Anything fairly close to that is good. (Apologies if I'm belaboring what you already know). On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 4:24:26 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: > I would guess on 4mm. The worst that happens is you change em again! > > On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 12:44:23 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote: > >> Well I already took the crank off >> The spacers I used, which I really thought were the ones that came with >> the Silver crank, are indeed 5mm >> [image: IMG_0592.jpg] >> >> But they very well may not be the ones that came with >> I also have a set of each of these two below. One is obviously larger >> around than the other >> -The larger diameter spacer measures 3mm tall >> -The small diameter spacer measures 4mm tall >> Which would be advisable to put on? >> [image: IMG_0593.JPG] >> Crazy to think that 1mm here or there would cause the issue of the chain >> slipping down between the rings. >> Also, as all this pertains to chainline >> I should be referencing the middle chainring in my case to the middle of >> the seat tube to get the appropriate chainline, correct? (Even though this >> isn't really a triple, but a double with a bashguard in the large spot) >> thanks >> JS >> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:56:12 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ >> wrote: >> >>> *Suggest calling/writing RBW.* >>> I recall a Grant write up a few years ago comparing the Silver to the >>> XD2 2 and I remember something about spacers on the 74mm BCD posts. >>> >>> If the crank is on the bike, you can measure the distance form the end >>> of the seat tube to the teeth of the Middle and Inner rings using paper cut >>> to size, and then the difference is the middle to Inner ring spacing and >>> verify if > 5mm. >>> >>> For reference, my XD-2 with Sugino Rings have ring spacing > thr 5mm >>> Shimano standard: >>> Outer to Middle, 7mm >>> Middle to Inner, 8mm >>> >>> John Hawrylak >>> Woodstown NJ >>> >>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:50:06 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote: >>> weird question...but here goes I disassembled a Silver triple and had it apart for awhile and recently put it back together as a double with a bashguard. So, it's Guard>40t>30t. I think I may have used the incorrect spacers between the 74bcd 30t and the 110bcd 40t...they were in my box of parts. I'm not sure. I think there is too much space between those two chainrings ...a few times riding recently, the chain wants to go down between them Can someone tell me what size this spacers should be and how much space, in general should be between two chainrings on a triple, 9 speed? thanks [image: IMG_0574.jpg] >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c49ed269-3942-470b-8bf6-0971cb5e2f5fn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
I would guess on 4mm. The worst that happens is you change em again! On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 12:44:23 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote: > Well I already took the crank off > The spacers I used, which I really thought were the ones that came with > the Silver crank, are indeed 5mm > [image: IMG_0592.jpg] > > But they very well may not be the ones that came with > I also have a set of each of these two below. One is obviously larger > around than the other > -The larger diameter spacer measures 3mm tall > -The small diameter spacer measures 4mm tall > Which would be advisable to put on? > [image: IMG_0593.JPG] > Crazy to think that 1mm here or there would cause the issue of the chain > slipping down between the rings. > Also, as all this pertains to chainline > I should be referencing the middle chainring in my case to the middle of > the seat tube to get the appropriate chainline, correct? (Even though this > isn't really a triple, but a double with a bashguard in the large spot) > thanks > JS > On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:56:12 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ > wrote: > >> *Suggest calling/writing RBW.* >> I recall a Grant write up a few years ago comparing the Silver to the XD2 >> 2 and I remember something about spacers on the 74mm BCD posts. >> >> If the crank is on the bike, you can measure the distance form the end >> of the seat tube to the teeth of the Middle and Inner rings using paper cut >> to size, and then the difference is the middle to Inner ring spacing and >> verify if > 5mm. >> >> For reference, my XD-2 with Sugino Rings have ring spacing > thr 5mm >> Shimano standard: >> Outer to Middle, 7mm >> Middle to Inner, 8mm >> >> John Hawrylak >> Woodstown NJ >> >> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:50:06 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote: >> >>> weird question...but here goes >>> I disassembled a Silver triple and had it apart for awhile and recently >>> put it back together as a double with a bashguard. >>> So, it's Guard>40t>30t. >>> I think I may have used the incorrect spacers between the 74bcd 30t and >>> the 110bcd 40t...they were in my box of parts. I'm not sure. I think >>> there is too much space between those two chainrings ...a few times riding >>> recently, the chain wants to go down between them >>> Can someone tell me what size this spacers should be and how much space, >>> in general should be between two chainrings on a triple, 9 speed? >>> thanks >>> [image: IMG_0574.jpg] >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3ca7edbc-ad8c-4f61-a557-118a7d979404n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] FS: Sackville Shopsack Large Olive
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[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
*Suggest calling/writing RBW.* I recall a Grant write up a few years ago comparing the Silver to the XD2 2 and I remember something about spacers on the 74mm BCD posts. If the crank is on the bike, you can measure the distance form the end of the seat tube to the teeth of the Middle and Inner rings using paper cut to size, and then the difference is the middle to Inner ring spacing and verify if > 5mm. For reference, my XD-2 with Sugino Rings have ring spacing > thr 5mm Shimano standard: Outer to Middle, 7mm Middle to Inner, 8mm John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:50:06 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote: > weird question...but here goes > I disassembled a Silver triple and had it apart for awhile and recently > put it back together as a double with a bashguard. > So, it's Guard>40t>30t. > I think I may have used the incorrect spacers between the 74bcd 30t and > the 110bcd 40t...they were in my box of parts. I'm not sure. I think > there is too much space between those two chainrings ...a few times riding > recently, the chain wants to go down between them > Can someone tell me what size this spacers should be and how much space, > in general should be between two chainrings on a triple, 9 speed? > thanks > [image: IMG_0574.jpg] > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e63bae23-8719-4c6d-b121-a0ff87dc91e7n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Btw needing spacers on a Silver crank instead of having the spacing built
in is useful. You can use really thin ones to get the rings closer for a
double-ring-plus-guard 11- or 12-speed drivetrain.
On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 11:47:45 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Judging from a photo is basically impossible but I'm going to do it
> anyway, your spacers look wider than my 3.5. I'll betcha 3.5 is the ticket
> for you.
>
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 11:37:28 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> thanks for all the input
>> very helpfuland for the article on chainline...something I always
>> avoid getting too detailed about, but should.
>> I believe the Silver crank requires spacers between granny and middle,
>> but I could be wrong.
>> Here's a pic from above
>> [image: IMG_0587.jpg]
>> I'll measure the spacers and see if they are closer to 5mm or 3.5mm
>> Also, the chain is a 9 speed.
>> I may need to do a little dialing-in on chainline in general. The BB is
>> a Phil and I can move the 113 spindle left or right as needed.
>>
>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:00:43 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and my spacers are AFAIK from the 7 speed or 8 speed era -- they've
>>> been in my little drawer for decades -- and I'm using them with an 11
>>> ("eleven") speed chain (42/28 X 10-25 10 sp cassette); it never occurred to
>>> me that I might have spacing problems and in fact I never have had any.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore
>>> wrote:
>>>
I've not used the Silvers but some square taper triples used spacers
between middle and granny; I just looked at the spacers between the 42 t
ring and the 28 t granny on my Logic 110 triple (guard/42/28).
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM Will Boericke
wrote:
> I've never had to use spacers on chainrings, but I've also never
> disassembled the aforementioned crank. To my mind, if you need spacers
> on
> a crankset, you've designed something wrong.
>
>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Judging from a photo is basically impossible but I'm going to do it anyway,
your spacers look wider than my 3.5. I'll betcha 3.5 is the ticket for you.
On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 11:37:28 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
> thanks for all the input
> very helpfuland for the article on chainline...something I always
> avoid getting too detailed about, but should.
> I believe the Silver crank requires spacers between granny and middle, but
> I could be wrong.
> Here's a pic from above
> [image: IMG_0587.jpg]
> I'll measure the spacers and see if they are closer to 5mm or 3.5mm
> Also, the chain is a 9 speed.
> I may need to do a little dialing-in on chainline in general. The BB is a
> Phil and I can move the 113 spindle left or right as needed.
>
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:00:43 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Oh, and my spacers are AFAIK from the 7 speed or 8 speed era -- they've
>> been in my little drawer for decades -- and I'm using them with an 11
>> ("eleven") speed chain (42/28 X 10-25 10 sp cassette); it never occurred to
>> me that I might have spacing problems and in fact I never have had any.
>>
>> On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've not used the Silvers but some square taper triples used spacers
>>> between middle and granny; I just looked at the spacers between the 42 t
>>> ring and the 28 t granny on my Logic 110 triple (guard/42/28).
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM Will Boericke wrote:
>>>
I've never had to use spacers on chainrings, but I've also never
disassembled the aforementioned crank. To my mind, if you need spacers on
a crankset, you've designed something wrong.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023
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Re: [RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Oh, and my spacers are AFAIK from the 7 speed or 8 speed era -- they've
been in my little drawer for decades -- and I'm using them with an 11
("eleven") speed chain (42/28 X 10-25 10 sp cassette); it never occurred to
me that I might have spacing problems and in fact I never have had any.
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 11:58 AM Patrick Moore wrote:
> I've not used the Silvers but some square taper triples used spacers
> between middle and granny; I just looked at the spacers between the 42 t
> ring and the 28 t granny on my Logic 110 triple (guard/42/28).
>
> On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> I've never had to use spacers on chainrings, but I've also never
>> disassembled the aforementioned crank. To my mind, if you need spacers on
>> a crankset, you've designed something wrong.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
I've not used the Silvers but some square taper triples used spacers between middle and granny; I just looked at the spacers between the 42 t ring and the 28 t granny on my Logic 110 triple (guard/42/28). On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 8:46 AM Will Boericke wrote: > I've never had to use spacers on chainrings, but I've also never > disassembled the aforementioned crank. To my mind, if you need spacers on > a crankset, you've designed something wrong. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgvLNUU0H%2BjYmYzo_Kzt%3DNz9HsyeA144n7AS4X32p6ZWaQ%40mail.gmail.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Typical spacing between chainrings is 5mm. However, it is all about the chainline. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainline.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7fa32942-ed4a-415c-8e72-d7cf8a1ccfd3n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] FS: modern cockpit and drivetrain for your Riv
Hi all, I'm selling a SRAM 2x10 speed setup that I had on my Sam for a couple of years. It is a super fun setup and works great. It's all very lightly worn. I'd like to get $350 for the entire setup, or see suggested la carte pricing below. Let me know if I am way off on price for this stuff! Buyer pays shipping if not local to the Sacramento/Bay Area side of things. As far as trade the only things I'm looking for are a Nitto wavie bar, a quill bullmoose bar, and possibly some bar-top friction shifters or perches. - 46cm Salsa Cowchipper bar (31.8 clamp) - $25 - SRAM Force Double Tap levers (2x10) for mechanical brakes - $100 - Velo Orange removable faceplate quill stem (31.8 clamp), zero degree rise, brushed finish - $40 -> or $150 for the entire cockpit as-is, which includes still-nice Brooks bar tape - SRAM carbon crankset, 50/34, 172.5 mm arms, GXP interface with bottom bracket - $150 - SRAM GX long-cage rear mech with Wolf Tooth road link - $50 - SRAM Rival front mech - $20 - Sun Race 11-42 cassette and 10 speed chain: $20 or FREE to whomever buys the whole enchilada. Pics here. https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bop/d/rocklin-sram-2x10-cockpit-and-drivetrain/7620814254.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ac68c82d-06b5-44ef-9349-8788250d8c42n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Oh sheesh, how about "If the rings are not flush with where you place the spacers, well then you must add/subtract that distance from each other". Some chainrings are thicker than others. that said, it doesn't have to be exact, you simply don't want to use something much too thick, like a 5mm spacer ! On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote: Somewhere between 3.5-3.6mm should work as that's what I measure the spacing between the large arms on every crank I own. I measured the thickness of the arm "shelves" up which the rings sit. So if the inner ring mounting holes are flush with the middle ring, it's obvious a 3.5-3.6mm spacer will do. I give a range because there are always slight variations of these things. *If the rings are not flush with where you place the spacers, well then you must add/subtract the distance that the middle ring sticks to that.* A digital caliber can measure that distance, if there is any, using the "other end" of the caliper, whatever that thingy is called. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fe63d8b4-b663-4711-b191-49998b7bee8bn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Somewhere between 3.5-3.6mm should work as that's what I measure the spacing between the large arms on every crank I own. I measured the thickness of the arm "shelves" up which the rings sit. So if the inner ring mounting holes are flush with the middle ring, it's obvious a 3.5-3.6mm spacer will do. I give a range because there are always slight variations of these things. If the rings are not flush with where you place the spacers, well then you must add/subtract the distance that the middle ring sticks to that. A digital caliber can measure that distance, if there is any, using the "other end" of the caliper, whatever that thingy is called. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f42f0c0b-ed76-40e5-bf3b-51c563ffcd92n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
The other possibility here is you're using a narrow 10-speed chain, it might hang up a bit between the middle and small rings on a Silver crank if the shift is a little lazy. On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:34:25 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > I search of the webs produced 3.5mm as a common spacer for the granny ring > on triples, and this matches the set I have. > > [image: Screenshot_20230513_083155.jpg] > > On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 5:50:06 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote: > >> weird question...but here goes >> I disassembled a Silver triple and had it apart for awhile and recently >> put it back together as a double with a bashguard. >> So, it's Guard>40t>30t. >> I think I may have used the incorrect spacers between the 74bcd 30t and >> the 110bcd 40t...they were in my box of parts. I'm not sure. I think >> there is too much space between those two chainrings ...a few times riding >> recently, the chain wants to go down between them >> Can someone tell me what size this spacers should be and how much space, >> in general should be between two chainrings on a triple, 9 speed? >> thanks >> [image: IMG_0574.jpg] >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c2157bde-8f01-430f-9fb2-6e20e83fbd3cn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023
It appears winter has left upsate NY. Nice looking machines and a gorgeous area to ride. I'm envious. Best, Rich in ATL On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:19:36 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote: > a nice but somewhat brutalizing 25 miler of steep climbing on gravel on > our first real hot day yesterday in Clarence Fahnestock park, New York > [image: IMG_0564.jpg] > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/639554a9-852c-4533-971a-c6c6f3e2ffadn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
Joel, If this helps, my 8 speed setup is: Guard/44/30 — but with a Sugino crank (if that makes a difference). Shifted with a Claris triple. No spacers involved and works fine. Perhaps try without the spacers and /or play with the adjustment on the derailer. Best, Rich in ATL On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:50:06 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote: > weird question...but here goes > I disassembled a Silver triple and had it apart for awhile and recently > put it back together as a double with a bashguard. > So, it's Guard>40t>30t. > I think I may have used the incorrect spacers between the 74bcd 30t and > the 110bcd 40t...they were in my box of parts. I'm not sure. I think > there is too much space between those two chainrings ...a few times riding > recently, the chain wants to go down between them > Can someone tell me what size this spacers should be and how much space, > in general should be between two chainrings on a triple, 9 speed? > thanks > [image: IMG_0574.jpg] > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/658ecbe6-9bd1-4bf1-bd9c-7e3853aed53bn%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: spacing between chainrings
I've never had to use spacers on chainrings, but I've also never disassembled the aforementioned crank. To my mind, if you need spacers on a crankset, you've designed something wrong. On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:50:06 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote: > weird question...but here goes > I disassembled a Silver triple and had it apart for awhile and recently > put it back together as a double with a bashguard. > So, it's Guard>40t>30t. > I think I may have used the incorrect spacers between the 74bcd 30t and > the 110bcd 40t...they were in my box of parts. I'm not sure. I think > there is too much space between those two chainrings ...a few times riding > recently, the chain wants to go down between them > Can someone tell me what size this spacers should be and how much space, > in general should be between two chainrings on a triple, 9 speed? > thanks > [image: IMG_0574.jpg] > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/24d5ce69-a02b-4a80-8e2d-25b759e1caaen%40googlegroups.com.
