Re: [RBW] Brevet #2 of 2024, this time on my Legolas

[Steven Sweedler]

Nice ride Bill, I enjoy your very readable write ups.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 2:11 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Today was the SFRandonneurs Russian River 200k brevet.  Executive summary:
> I did it on my Legolas, and finished in 9 hours on the button, clock
> running, which is a very good time for me. I'm fired up to tackle the 300
> in March.
>
> TL/DR
>
> I was signed up for the 2/24 200k, in preparation for the 3/9 300k event,
> but a family gathering got arranged on that weekend and I had to pivot to
> the 2/10 event.  It's fortunate that SFR has so many events, especially in
> the Winter months.  The Russian River 200k route looks like two lollipops.
> Unlike most SFR Marin County rides, it doesn't start at the Golden Gate
> Bridge.  Instead it starts at the end of Lucas Valley Road in San Rafael.
> The "stem" of the first lollipop follows Lucas Valley Road all the way to
> Nicosio. Then you go counter clockwise around the first half of the first
> lollipop hitting the tip of the stem of the second lollipop in Fallon.  The
> second stem ends in Valley Ford, and then we go counter clockwise again up
> through Occidental, Rio Vista, Guerneville and alongside the Russian
> River.  That second lollipop loop meets up with the Pacific Coast and curls
> back down to Valley Ford, retraces stem #2 and returns to the coast along
> Tomales Bay before meeting back up with stem #1 in Nicosio, and it's back
> Lucas Valley Road to where you started.  It was a gorgeous route and a
> splendid day.  After a ton of heavy rain, there was a lot of evidence of it
> having been stormy, and lots of wet roads, but no rain today.
>
> At the start at 7AM temperatures were in the low 40s, so I wore bib shorts
> plus knee warmers.  I wore a wool base layer, and a thermal SFR long sleeve
> jersey, with my rain jacket over that and a reflective vest on top of
> that.  I wore some light full finger gloves, and over socks over my road
> shoes.  It dropped to the mid 30s in some of the valleys and my fingers
> were in pain from the cold.  I was just barely warm enough on the feet, and
> for a minute I wished I had worn a buff or similar to pull over my nose and
> ears.  By 10AM it warmed up enough that it was no longer a problem, and in
> the afternoon a lot of the layers came off as the temperatures got up to
> the mid 50s.
>
> My Legolas was originally a 1x10, but I changed it out to a 2x10 late last
> year.  I used It on my birthday to summit Mount Diablo, with Barlow Pass
> Extralight road tires.  The bike did great on that ride, but after 55
> miles, my saddle was not comfortable.  I've got an ultra lightweight Selle
> Italia saddle on there, because it's a cyclocross race bike!  Races last an
> hour and you're running part of the time.  Who cares if your saddle is
> comfortable?  The night before I swapped out my Gilles Berthoud Soulor
> leather saddle, and I'm glad I did.  My hindquarters handled the day
> without any objections.
>
> The bike did perfectly.  Fast and nimble, but easy to control.  No
> mechanicals and no flats.  I hammered the last 40km to just get under the
> wire at 9 hours.  Strava gives me 8 hours 40 minutes moving.  My fitness is
> progressing nicely.  I've lost about 12 pounds of pudge I didn't need, and
> my general strength from Orange Theory Fitness seems to be paying
> dividends.  Despite a couple nagging aches and pains, the body did well
> today.
>
> Another last minute bike setup change was I decided to run Look style
> pedals, instead of SPDs.  My left ankle has been bugging me and I feel a
> lot more planted on the solid wide platform of Look pedals.  That choice
> served me well all day, with no foot, pedal or ankle issues.
>
> Nutrition-wise I did nothing in preparation.  I had a biggish breakfast
> and packed no food.  In Valley Ford I bought a chocolate chip cookie, a
> package of cashews and a bag of Hairdo ginger candy.  On my second trip to
> Valley Ford I restocked water and had a slice of Lemon Cake.  That all did
> fine, and I didn't actually get into the cashews until after the ride.
>
> I did my normal Four 50k sections.  Section 1 I took it easy and warmed
> up.  Section 2 I pushed harder.  Section 3, I dug deep and got after it.
> Section 4 would normally be a mellow victory lap to get you home, but I
> really wanted to make 9 hours so I hammered, and it worked out.  A couple
> of the "fast group" riders who went off the front at the start were still
> at the finish when I got there, so I wasn't far behind them.
>
> Anyway, I'm pleased with my ride and feel ready for the 300 next month. I
> do NOT intend to use my new RoadeoRosa on the 300, but I'm holding an
> outside shot that I may use it for the 600.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Brevet #2 of 2024, this time on my Legolas

[Stephen Durfee]

Sounds like a great day Bill!

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 9:05:29 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Wow Bill, I am impressed.
> Sounds like an incredible ride. Congrats!
>
> In the face of chocolate chips and lemon cake, cashews are going to play 
> third fiddle.
> k.
>
> On Feb 10, 2024, at 6:11 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Today was the SFRandonneurs Russian River 200k brevet.  Executive 
> summary: I did it on my Legolas, and finished in 9 hours on the button, 
> clock running, which is a very good time for me. I'm fired up to tackle the 
> 300 in March.  
>
>
> TL/DR
>
> I was signed up for the 2/24 200k, in preparation for the 3/9 300k event, 
> but a family gathering got arranged on that weekend and I had to pivot to 
> the 2/10 event.  It's fortunate that SFR has so many events, especially in 
> the Winter months.  The Russian River 200k route looks like two lollipops. 
> Unlike most SFR Marin County rides, it doesn't start at the Golden Gate 
> Bridge.  Instead it starts at the end of Lucas Valley Road in San Rafael. 
>  The "stem" of the first lollipop follows Lucas Valley Road all the way to 
> Nicosio. Then you go counter clockwise around the first half of the first 
> lollipop hitting the tip of the stem of the second lollipop in Fallon.  The 
> second stem ends in Valley Ford, and then we go counter clockwise again up 
> through Occidental, Rio Vista, Guerneville and alongside the Russian River. 
>  That second lollipop loop meets up with the Pacific Coast and curls back 
> down to Valley Ford, retraces stem #2 and returns to the coast along 
> Tomales Bay before meeting back up with stem #1 in Nicosio, and it's back 
> Lucas Valley Road to where you started.  It was a gorgeous route and a 
> splendid day.  After a ton of heavy rain, there was a lot of evidence of it 
> having been stormy, and lots of wet roads, but no rain today. 
>
> At the start at 7AM temperatures were in the low 40s, so I wore bib shorts 
> plus knee warmers.  I wore a wool base layer, and a thermal SFR long sleeve 
> jersey, with my rain jacket over that and a reflective vest on top of that. 
>  I wore some light full finger gloves, and over socks over my road shoes. 
>  It dropped to the mid 30s in some of the valleys and my fingers were in 
> pain from the cold.  I was just barely warm enough on the feet, and for a 
> minute I wished I had worn a buff or similar to pull over my nose and ears. 
>  By 10AM it warmed up enough that it was no longer a problem, and in the 
> afternoon a lot of the layers came off as the temperatures got up to the 
> mid 50s.  
>
> My Legolas was originally a 1x10, but I changed it out to a 2x10 late last 
> year.  I used It on my birthday to summit Mount Diablo, with Barlow Pass 
> Extralight road tires.  The bike did great on that ride, but after 55 
> miles, my saddle was not comfortable.  I've got an ultra lightweight Selle 
> Italia saddle on there, because it's a cyclocross race bike!  Races last an 
> hour and you're running part of the time.  Who cares if your saddle is 
> comfortable?  The night before I swapped out my Gilles Berthoud Soulor 
> leather saddle, and I'm glad I did.  My hindquarters handled the day 
> without any objections.  
>
> The bike did perfectly.  Fast and nimble, but easy to control.  No 
> mechanicals and no flats.  I hammered the last 40km to just get under the 
> wire at 9 hours.  Strava gives me 8 hours 40 minutes moving.  My fitness is 
> progressing nicely.  I've lost about 12 pounds of pudge I didn't need, and 
> my general strength from Orange Theory Fitness seems to be paying 
> dividends.  Despite a couple nagging aches and pains, the body did well 
> today.  
>
> Another last minute bike setup change was I decided to run Look style 
> pedals, instead of SPDs.  My left ankle has been bugging me and I feel a 
> lot more planted on the solid wide platform of Look pedals.  That choice 
> served me well all day, with no foot, pedal or ankle issues.  
>
> Nutrition-wise I did nothing in preparation.  I had a biggish breakfast 
> and packed no food.  In Valley Ford I bought a chocolate chip cookie, a 
> package of cashews and a bag of Hairdo ginger candy.  On my second trip to 
> Valley Ford I restocked water and had a slice of Lemon Cake.  That all did 
> fine, and I didn't actually get into the cashews until after the ride.  
>
> I did my normal Four 50k sections.  Section 1 I took it easy and warmed 
> up.  Section 2 I pushed harder.  Section 3, I dug deep and got after it. 
>  Section 4 would normally be a mellow victory lap to get you home, but I 
> really wanted to make 9 hours so I hammered, and it worked out.  A couple 
> of the "fast group" riders who went off the front at the start were still 
> at the finish when I got there, so I wasn't far behind them.  
>
> Anyway, I'm pleased with my ride and feel ready for the 300 next month. I 
> do NOT intend to use my new RoadeoRosa on the 300, but I'm holding an 
> outside shot that I may use it for 

Re: [RBW] Brevet #2 of 2024, this time on my Legolas

[Keith Paugh]

Wow Bill, I am impressed.Sounds like an incredible ride. Congrats!In the face of chocolate chips and lemon cake, cashews are going to play third fiddle.k.On Feb 10, 2024, at 6:11 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:Today was the SFRandonneurs Russian River 200k brevet.  Executive summary: I did it on my Legolas, and finished in 9 hours on the button, clock running, which is a very good time for me. I'm fired up to tackle the 300 in March.  TL/DRI was signed up for the 2/24 200k, in preparation for the 3/9 300k event, but a family gathering got arranged on that weekend and I had to pivot to the 2/10 event.  It's fortunate that SFR has so many events, especially in the Winter months.  The Russian River 200k route looks like two lollipops. Unlike most SFR Marin County rides, it doesn't start at the Golden Gate Bridge.  Instead it starts at the end of Lucas Valley Road in San Rafael.  The "stem" of the first lollipop follows Lucas Valley Road all the way to Nicosio. Then you go counter clockwise around the first half of the first lollipop hitting the tip of the stem of the second lollipop in Fallon.  The second stem ends in Valley Ford, and then we go counter clockwise again up through Occidental, Rio Vista, Guerneville and alongside the Russian River.  That second lollipop loop meets up with the Pacific Coast and curls back down to Valley Ford, retraces stem #2 and returns to the coast along Tomales Bay before meeting back up with stem #1 in Nicosio, and it's back Lucas Valley Road to where you started.  It was a gorgeous route and a splendid day.  After a ton of heavy rain, there was a lot of evidence of it having been stormy, and lots of wet roads, but no rain today. At the start at 7AM temperatures were in the low 40s, so I wore bib shorts plus knee warmers.  I wore a wool base layer, and a thermal SFR long sleeve jersey, with my rain jacket over that and a reflective vest on top of that.  I wore some light full finger gloves, and over socks over my road shoes.  It dropped to the mid 30s in some of the valleys and my fingers were in pain from the cold.  I was just barely warm enough on the feet, and for a minute I wished I had worn a buff or similar to pull over my nose and ears.  By 10AM it warmed up enough that it was no longer a problem, and in the afternoon a lot of the layers came off as the temperatures got up to the mid 50s.  My Legolas was originally a 1x10, but I changed it out to a 2x10 late last year.  I used It on my birthday to summit Mount Diablo, with Barlow Pass Extralight road tires.  The bike did great on that ride, but after 55 miles, my saddle was not comfortable.  I've got an ultra lightweight Selle Italia saddle on there, because it's a cyclocross race bike!  Races last an hour and you're running part of the time.  Who cares if your saddle is comfortable?  The night before I swapped out my Gilles Berthoud Soulor leather saddle, and I'm glad I did.  My hindquarters handled the day without any objections.  The bike did perfectly.  Fast and nimble, but easy to control.  No mechanicals and no flats.  I hammered the last 40km to just get under the wire at 9 hours.  Strava gives me 8 hours 40 minutes moving.  My fitness is progressing nicely.  I've lost about 12 pounds of pudge I didn't need, and my general strength from Orange Theory Fitness seems to be paying dividends.  Despite a couple nagging aches and pains, the body did well today.  Another last minute bike setup change was I decided to run Look style pedals, instead of SPDs.  My left ankle has been bugging me and I feel a lot more planted on the solid wide platform of Look pedals.  That choice served me well all day, with no foot, pedal or ankle issues.  Nutrition-wise I did nothing in preparation.  I had a biggish breakfast and packed no food.  In Valley Ford I bought a chocolate chip cookie, a package of cashews and a bag of Hairdo ginger candy.  On my second trip to Valley Ford I restocked water and had a slice of Lemon Cake.  That all did fine, and I didn't actually get into the cashews until after the ride.  I did my normal Four 50k sections.  Section 1 I took it easy and warmed up.  Section 2 I pushed harder.  Section 3, I dug deep and got after it.  Section 4 would normally be a mellow victory lap to get you home, but I really wanted to make 9 hours so I hammered, and it worked out.  A couple of the "fast group" riders who went off the front at the start were still at the finish when I got there, so I wasn't far behind them.  Anyway, I'm pleased with my ride and feel ready for the 300 next month. I do NOT intend to use my new RoadeoRosa on the 300, but I'm holding an outside shot that I may use it for the 600.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA



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Re: [RBW] Manivelle basket rack on Sam Hillborne

[Timothy Tolls]

Hi St Nick - I purchased my Sam last spring from a gentleman on Craigslist
here in the Portland area.  I sent Vince at Riv a picture of the serial
number to determine age, etc - he replied back with:

 "You have what looks like a 2015 model, made in Taiwan. I can't verify
whether or not that is the serial number. It seems like a valid serial
number.



The build has Nitto Noodle bars, a Nitto Tallux stem, Sugino crankset,
Silver1 shifters, Shimano Deore rear derailleur, SKS P45 fenders and Tektro
R559 sidepull brakes.



Best,

Vince"

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 4:20 PM Brenton Eastman 
wrote:

> Mine is the same color orange and has caliper brakes. 2017 give or take a
> year.
>
> On Feb 6, 2024, at 3:25 PM, st nick  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Your Sam looks great with or without the basket.
>
> Can you tell me the year model?
>
> Your frame looks very similar to mine in size (59cm) and the shade of
> orange.
>
> However mine is set up with an upright bar cockpit.
>
> I've yet to add a basket but am considering it.
>
> I'm guessing mine is about 4 to 5 years old.
> I've owned it about 2 years.
>
> Thanks
> Paul in Dallas
>
> 
>
>
>
> Anyone know if Riv has a serial number decode guide to determine the year
> made?
>
> I attached a pic of mine.
> It's a joy to ride.
>
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[RBW] Brevet #2 of 2024, this time on my Legolas

[Bill Lindsay]

Today was the SFRandonneurs Russian River 200k brevet.  Executive summary: 
I did it on my Legolas, and finished in 9 hours on the button, clock 
running, which is a very good time for me. I'm fired up to tackle the 300 
in March.  

TL/DR

I was signed up for the 2/24 200k, in preparation for the 3/9 300k event, 
but a family gathering got arranged on that weekend and I had to pivot to 
the 2/10 event.  It's fortunate that SFR has so many events, especially in 
the Winter months.  The Russian River 200k route looks like two lollipops. 
Unlike most SFR Marin County rides, it doesn't start at the Golden Gate 
Bridge.  Instead it starts at the end of Lucas Valley Road in San Rafael. 
 The "stem" of the first lollipop follows Lucas Valley Road all the way to 
Nicosio. Then you go counter clockwise around the first half of the first 
lollipop hitting the tip of the stem of the second lollipop in Fallon.  The 
second stem ends in Valley Ford, and then we go counter clockwise again up 
through Occidental, Rio Vista, Guerneville and alongside the Russian River. 
 That second lollipop loop meets up with the Pacific Coast and curls back 
down to Valley Ford, retraces stem #2 and returns to the coast along 
Tomales Bay before meeting back up with stem #1 in Nicosio, and it's back 
Lucas Valley Road to where you started.  It was a gorgeous route and a 
splendid day.  After a ton of heavy rain, there was a lot of evidence of it 
having been stormy, and lots of wet roads, but no rain today. 

At the start at 7AM temperatures were in the low 40s, so I wore bib shorts 
plus knee warmers.  I wore a wool base layer, and a thermal SFR long sleeve 
jersey, with my rain jacket over that and a reflective vest on top of that. 
 I wore some light full finger gloves, and over socks over my road shoes. 
 It dropped to the mid 30s in some of the valleys and my fingers were in 
pain from the cold.  I was just barely warm enough on the feet, and for a 
minute I wished I had worn a buff or similar to pull over my nose and ears. 
 By 10AM it warmed up enough that it was no longer a problem, and in the 
afternoon a lot of the layers came off as the temperatures got up to the 
mid 50s.  

My Legolas was originally a 1x10, but I changed it out to a 2x10 late last 
year.  I used It on my birthday to summit Mount Diablo, with Barlow Pass 
Extralight road tires.  The bike did great on that ride, but after 55 
miles, my saddle was not comfortable.  I've got an ultra lightweight Selle 
Italia saddle on there, because it's a cyclocross race bike!  Races last an 
hour and you're running part of the time.  Who cares if your saddle is 
comfortable?  The night before I swapped out my Gilles Berthoud Soulor 
leather saddle, and I'm glad I did.  My hindquarters handled the day 
without any objections.  

The bike did perfectly.  Fast and nimble, but easy to control.  No 
mechanicals and no flats.  I hammered the last 40km to just get under the 
wire at 9 hours.  Strava gives me 8 hours 40 minutes moving.  My fitness is 
progressing nicely.  I've lost about 12 pounds of pudge I didn't need, and 
my general strength from Orange Theory Fitness seems to be paying 
dividends.  Despite a couple nagging aches and pains, the body did well 
today.  

Another last minute bike setup change was I decided to run Look style 
pedals, instead of SPDs.  My left ankle has been bugging me and I feel a 
lot more planted on the solid wide platform of Look pedals.  That choice 
served me well all day, with no foot, pedal or ankle issues.  

Nutrition-wise I did nothing in preparation.  I had a biggish breakfast and 
packed no food.  In Valley Ford I bought a chocolate chip cookie, a package 
of cashews and a bag of Hairdo ginger candy.  On my second trip to Valley 
Ford I restocked water and had a slice of Lemon Cake.  That all did fine, 
and I didn't actually get into the cashews until after the ride.  

I did my normal Four 50k sections.  Section 1 I took it easy and warmed up. 
 Section 2 I pushed harder.  Section 3, I dug deep and got after it. 
 Section 4 would normally be a mellow victory lap to get you home, but I 
really wanted to make 9 hours so I hammered, and it worked out.  A couple 
of the "fast group" riders who went off the front at the start were still 
at the finish when I got there, so I wasn't far behind them.  

Anyway, I'm pleased with my ride and feel ready for the 300 next month. I 
do NOT intend to use my new RoadeoRosa on the 300, but I'm holding an 
outside shot that I may use it for the 600.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[ian m]

If you, like me, prefer Nitto to all alternatives check out the M151. I 
believe Soma sells that model as well.

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:58:50 PM UTC-5 eitanz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> You guys have given me multiple good handlebar suggestions! I think I will 
> rule out the Specialized bars though, as they seem to come in black only. 
> That's fine for the Breezer but for this bike, I really want silver.  Looks 
> like both the Ritchey Venturemax and VO Randonneur are both 31.8mm only. 
> The Soma Highway One  is available  in 26mm--so by process of elimination 
> may be the winner...
>
> --Eitan
> Los Angeles
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:18:22 PM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the 
>> shortest reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm 
>> handlebar clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And 
>> the rest of the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  
>> They only come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine 
>> for most people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)
>>
>>
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Liz 
>> Washington DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
>>> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
>>> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>>>
>>> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
>>> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>>>
>>> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape 
>>> and 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less 
>>> than ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm 
>>> clamp diameter.
>>>
>>> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
>>> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
>>> Specialized bars...)
>>>
>>> Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Ethan: Two suggestions:

 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle 
 where it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle 
 height and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is 
 where 
 I start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
 should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.

 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
 (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
 https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001

 It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
 and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. 
 I used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a 
 friend) to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my 
 road standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 
 56 or 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic 
 MVS or whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. 
 Still a wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem 
 contortion because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far 
 away 
 was better than any non-drop bar I could find.


 On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
 ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
 stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
 shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
 going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
 in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
 shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
 lot.

>>>

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[RBW] Campy and Riv

[dylan green]

Hi everyone - 

My 93 XO-1 came equipped with campy racing T. Everything is in good shape, 
but it has my least favorite ergo shifters. I'm wanting to upgrade to a 
thumb shifter or downtube. Does anyone have experience running the riv 
silver shifters and campy? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Heike Larson]

Earlier in March is better for me - March 2 or March 16 would be best, but 
I can do March 9. Already have other outdoorsy plans for March 23rd (hiking 
Santiago Peak here in OC) and March 30 is spring break. 

I hope we can find a time in early March - would love to ride with fellow 
Rivs (never have met another Riv rider in person yet!)

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 3:05:10 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> I’d be available any Saturday in March  
> k.
>
> On Feb 10, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>
> I just arrived in San Gabriel and am here until the 18th. I’m hoping to 
> ride pretty much every day while here. Happy to meet up, but I don’t have a 
> car so it will need to be riding distance. Shame about the forecast for 
> next weekend, hopefully that will change!
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI
>
> On Feb 10, 2024, at 7:52 AM, Brian Cunningham  
> wrote:
>
> If we’re thinking Saturdays, I’m free for either 3/2 or 3/30, if that 
> works for y’all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
> *Calling all fair weather cyclists: *Looks like 2 inches of rain in the 
> forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer through the 
> rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route. 
>
> How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to push the 
> ride date out to March.
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the first 
>> run
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as 
>>> possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. 
>>> (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The 
>>> more the merrier. 
>>>
>>> Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post 
>>> ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!

 On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of 
> steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, 
> Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of 
> single-track 
> with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky 
> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I 
> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the 
> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>
> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from 
> South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to 
> Allez. 
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  
> wrote:
>
>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level 
>> of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to 
>> try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 
>> 30+ 
>> miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super 
>> flexible.
>>
>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
>> getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>>
>>
>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can 
>> let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. 
>> I 
>> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I 
>> can't 
>> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>>
>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
>> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
>> anyday! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>>
>>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>>
>>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the 
>>> block.
>>>
>>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
>>> through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog 
>>> at 
>>> Walt’s is never a bad time.
>>>
>>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
>>> track and fire roads.
>>>
>>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Safe to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Keith Paugh]

I’d be available any Saturday in March  k.On Feb 10, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:I just arrived in San Gabriel and am here until the 18th. I’m hoping to ride pretty much every day while here. Happy to meet up, but I don’t have a car so it will need to be riding distance. Shame about the forecast for next weekend, hopefully that will change!Ted DurantMilwaukee, WIOn Feb 10, 2024, at 7:52 AM, Brian Cunningham  wrote:If we’re thinking Saturdays, I’m free for either 3/2 or 3/30, if that works for y’all.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:Calling all fair weather cyclists: Looks like 2 inches of rain in the forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer through the rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route. How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to push the ride date out to March.On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the first runOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The more the merrier. Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez. On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  wrote:Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.@Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.@Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer anyday! On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com wrote:Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.Riv dealers and great people, after all!I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is never a bad time.20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single track and fire roads.Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by Rivendells, despite not owning one. Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then too :). On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider and with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 

Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Ethan K]

You guys have given me multiple good handlebar suggestions! I think I will 
rule out the Specialized bars though, as they seem to come in black only. 
That's fine for the Breezer but for this bike, I really want silver.  Looks 
like both the Ritchey Venturemax and VO Randonneur are both 31.8mm only. 
The Soma Highway One  is available  in 26mm--so by process of elimination 
may be the winner...

--Eitan
Los Angeles



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:18:22 PM UTC-8 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the shortest 
> reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm handlebar 
> clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And the rest of 
> the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  They only 
> come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine for most 
> people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)
>
>
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040
>
> Cheers!
>
> Liz 
> Washington DC
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood 
> wrote:
>
>> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
>> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
>> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>>
>> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
>> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>>
>> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
>> 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
>> ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
>> diameter.
>>
>> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
>> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
>> Specialized bars...)
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>>>
>>> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
>>> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
>>> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
>>> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
>>> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>>>
>>> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
>>> (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
>>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>>>
>>> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
>>> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
>>> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
>>> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
>>> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
>>> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
>>> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
>>> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
>>> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
>>> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
>>> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
>>> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
>>> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
>>> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
>>> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
>>> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
>>> lot.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, btw, for those who need to find something with absolutely the shortest 
reach possible (and are okay with black handlebars and a 31.8mm handlebar 
clamp), Specialized "Short Reach" bars have a 65mm reach!  (And the rest of 
the lovely shape as the Hover and Shallow Bend handlebars...)  They only 
come in 36cm, 38cm, and 40cm widths (which probably works fine for most 
people who need ridiculously short-reach bars!)

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/short-reach-handlebars/p/156040?color=230922-156040

Cheers!

Liz 
Washington DC



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 5:13:57 PM UTC-5 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
> reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
> and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.
>
> But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm 
> of rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!
>
> The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
> 75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
> ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
> diameter.
>
> For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
> Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
> Specialized bars...)
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>>
>> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
>> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
>> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
>> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
>> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>>
>> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar 
>> (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
>> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>>
>> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
>> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
>> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
>> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
>> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
>> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
>> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
>> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
>> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
>> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
>> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
>> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
>> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
>> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
>> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
>> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
>> lot.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

I second Patrick's thoughts on the saddle position -- don't adjust for 
reach using the saddle position! Rather, get the saddle where you want it 
and then figure out how to get the bars in the right position.

But, re. the Specialized Hover bars, don't forget that they feature 15mm of 
rise, while Eitan is finding that his handlebars are already too high!

The Specialized Expert Alloy Shallow Bend bar features the same shape and 
75mm reach of the Hover, but without the rise...  But it remains less than 
ideal on a Riv because it's available only in black and with a 31.8mm clamp 
diameter.

For that reason, I always return to the Soma Highway One handlebar!  
Available in silver, and in 26.0mm clamp diameters! (Same 75mm reach as the 
Specialized bars...)

Liz
Washington, DC



On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ethan: Two suggestions:
>
> 1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where 
> it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height 
> and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I 
> start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar 
> should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.
>
> 2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar (narrowness 
> too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: 
> https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001
>
> It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short 
> and it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I 
> used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) 
> to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road 
> standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 
> 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or 
> whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a 
> wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion 
> because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better 
> than any non-drop bar I could find.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
> ...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the 
> stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going 
> shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of 
> going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide 
> in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with 
> shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a 
> lot.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Ted Durant]

I just arrived in San Gabriel and am here until the 18th. I’m hoping to ride pretty much every day while here. Happy to meet up, but I don’t have a car so it will need to be riding distance. Shame about the forecast for next weekend, hopefully that will change!Ted DurantMilwaukee, WIOn Feb 10, 2024, at 7:52 AM, Brian Cunningham  wrote:If we’re thinking Saturdays, I’m free for either 3/2 or 3/30, if that works for y’all.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:Calling all fair weather cyclists: Looks like 2 inches of rain in the forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer through the rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route. How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to push the ride date out to March.On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the first runOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The more the merrier. Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez. On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  wrote:Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.@Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.@Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer anyday! On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com wrote:Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.Riv dealers and great people, after all!I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is never a bad time.20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single track and fire roads.Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by Rivendells, despite not owning one. Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then too :). On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider and with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:Hey folks,Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is 

[RBW] Re: New Platypus

[DavidP]

Great looking Platy, Tim. And I'm not just saying that because mine is 
setup similarly. :)
It does have a lovely ride quality to it - easy going yet zippy; ""cruisy 
zoomy".

-Dave

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 4:31:06 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Took advantage of the rare warm weather we are having to take my new 
> Platypus out. I purchased this 60cm Sergio's Green as a complete bike. At 
> first I thought I'd ride it complete as it was delivered right out of the 
> box. Although it was fine with the SunRace parts that came with bike I just 
> couldn't live with the aesthetic. I swapped a few parts to make it my own 
> and I now have it built the way I wanted it. 
>
> The Platypus is probably the nicest riding Rivendell I've ever owned. I'm 
> not very good at putting ride quality into words but it just feels sublime. 
> The combination of the laid back geometry and the chubby tires are bike 
> factors. I found that having more of my weight on the front end of the bike 
> by angling the bars down made a big difference. I also changed the stem to 
> a 135mm up from a 110mm. I am really happy with the bike and know that it 
> will serve me well through the years. 
>
> Here is what I swapped out to make it my own. 
>
> Nitto Billie Bars
> Shimano XTR M952 RD
> Shimano Deore DX FD
> Silver Triple Cranks. 44x34x24
> SunTour Power XC Power Ratchets
> Brooks B-17 Special
> Paul Love Levers
> Oury Grips
> Added SimsXNitto Obento Rack
> Wald 137
> 5th Season Squall Sack
>
> [image: 378813CC-FB63-412C-8A4F-CC94A83F5E88_1_105_c.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] WTB: Sackville Clembasack

[Al]

Would love to buy if anyone has one. I saw that Rivendell no longer makes 
them and I just installed the corresponding Wald basket on my winter 
commuter.

Thanks!
Al

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Chris Fly]

Agree with Patrick on the seat setback, you don’t want to futz with that once it’s set where you need it based on only the saddle and not the reach.. And the Specialized bars are nice, I run those on two of my non-Riv bikes.. Ritchey also makes the Ergomax bars that are similar to the Spec. bars, but have a bit of backsweep that could help bring the hoods a little bit closer.. Chris Make a space for people to come as they are and not have to just “fit in”On Feb 10, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Ethan: Two suggestions:1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where it should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height and setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I start my setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar should be, and choose stem and bar to suit.2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar (narrowness too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short and it has a very shallow drop with a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I used one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) to get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or 57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better than any non-drop bar I could find.On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a lot.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Patrick Moore]

Ethan: Two suggestions:

1. Don't use saddle adjustment to adjust your bar. Get your saddle where it
should be for greatest comfort and pedaling efficiency -- saddle height and
setback in relation to the bottom bracket or crank axle is where I start my
setup -- and then determine from saddle position where your bar should be,
and choose stem and bar to suit.

2. For the ultimate in shortness and shallowness in a drop bar (narrowness
too, it seems), take a look at the Specialized Hover bar:
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/hover-expert-alloy-handlebars--15mm-rise/p/156001?color=230548-156001

It's ugly but it has essentially no ramps because the reach is so short and
it has a very shallow drop *with* a 15 mm rise at the stem clamp. I used
one of these on my erstwhile Medium 2012 Monocog (gave it to a friend) to
get a drop bar more or less comfortable on a frame with (by my road
standard) an immensely too long top tube (59.6 cm versus my preferred 56 or
57 cm). I tried it with several stems (expensive even with generic MVS or
whatever they were stems), going from 17* 9 cm to 30 or 35* 7 cm. Still a
wee bit far but much, much better. I went thru this bar and stem contortion
because even a Hover bar (mine was 44 cm) a cm or 2 too far away was better
than any non-drop bar I could find.


On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
...  I already have the seat forward on the rails, btw. I will swap the
stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next  would be  handlebars, going
shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like I shouldn't be afraid of
going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm Noodle, which feels wide
in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the Breezer, I went with
shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of those changes helped a
lot.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

If we’re thinking Saturdays, I’m free for either 3/2 or 3/30, if that works for y’all.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:Calling all fair weather cyclists: Looks like 2 inches of rain in the forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer through the rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route. How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to push the ride date out to March.On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the first runOn Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The more the merrier. Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez. On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  wrote:Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.@Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.@Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer anyday! On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com wrote:Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.Riv dealers and great people, after all!I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at Walt’s is never a bad time.20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single track and fire roads.Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by Rivendells, despite not owning one. Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then too :). On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider and with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:Hey folks,Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a fun, super causal ride.Sunday the 11th Monday the 12th (state holiday)Saturday the 17thWhat do you think?On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the month, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Tony Lockhart]

*Calling all fair weather cyclists: *Looks like 2 inches of rain in the 
forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer through the 
rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route. 

How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to push the 
ride date out to March.

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the first run
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as 
>> possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. 
>> (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The 
>> more the merrier. 
>>
>> Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post 
>> ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of 
 steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, 
 Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of 
 single-track 
 with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky 
 parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I 
 know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the 
 path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  

 How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from 
 South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to 
 Allez. 

 On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  
 wrote:

> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level 
> of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to 
> try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ 
> miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super 
> flexible.
>
> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
> getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>
>
> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can 
> let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. 
> I 
> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>
> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
> anyday! 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>
>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>
>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the 
>> block.
>>
>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
>> through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog 
>> at 
>> Walt’s is never a bad time.
>>
>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
>> track and fire roads.
>>
>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely 
>> be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being 
>> surrounded 
>> by Rivendells, despite not owning one. 
>>
>> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large 
>> groups. I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to 
>> ride on the east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la 
>> river/griffith 
>> park could be great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by 
>> Allez LA and pick their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
>>
>> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 
>>
>> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by 
>> then too :). 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; 
>>> got my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love 
>>> to 
>>> join a ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans 
>>> permitting). 
>>> Question: How long/demanding 

[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris stated,  " not sure I'd call the Noodles short reach with a 92mm (per 
Riv site) reach.. maybe shorter than some older school bars, but current 
bar design has much shorter reaches."

2019 Nitto catalog page 9 shows the Mod 177 (noodles) having a 95mm Reach, 
BUT the ends come back towards the rider by 7mm so the 'Reach at the curve 
forward' is 88mm.  The Noodles also have a SHALLOW (less steep) Ramp as can 
be seen in the bar profiles in the Nitto catalog.  In the past, Grant 
stated the shallow ramp was a main factor in the comfort of the bar, your 
hands have less tendency to slide down the ramp.  You only need to rotate 
them around 15 degrees to have a flat ramp section.

Yes you can get shorter reach bars, BUT they may have steep ramps and may 
not be as comfortable as the 177.   My point is the 177 is already short 
reach, so think about shorter stems before possibly compromising on bar 
comfort.

WRT to the 140mm Drop, RBW designed the bar to be at or above saddle 
height, so the effective drop is much shorter.   I have my bars at 10mm 
above SH and when using the Noddle I was comfortable in the drops for 
extended periods of time.   True, if your bars are below SH, Drop will have 
more significance.

John Hawrylak  comfortable on 44cm RH Radonnuer bar at or +10mm of SH 
and rotated about 25deg down for the small bump, but thinks a 42 or 40 may 
be better
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 12:56:34 AM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> not sure I'd call the Noodles short reach with a 92mm (per Riv site) 
> reach.. maybe shorter than some older school bars, but current bar design 
> has much shorter reaches.. the Salsa Cowbells I use on my Homer have a 
> reach of 68mm and drops of 115mm.. the Noodles have a much deeper drop at 
> 140mm that, for me, is far to deep to really be useful.. but everyone has 
> their own preferences.. the other bars I like are the Ritchey Butano bars 
> that have a 73mm reach and 115mm drops.. 
>
> Chris in Sonoma County 
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:48:02 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
> NJ wrote:
>
>> Ethan
>>
>> I suggest you measure your AHH and Breezer as I suggested.  This will 
>> give you a good idea of how much each change on the AHH goes to meeting the 
>> distance you have on the Breezer.  Your Noddle bars are already short 
>> reach, 96mm comes to mind changing bars may not give you much.   
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:14:49 PM UTC-5 Ethan K wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, thank you so much for the replies. To answer some questions and 
>>> provide additional info: 
>>> Joe you are correct: 55 Cheviot, 54.5 Homer. I had thought about getting 
>>> a purple Apaloosa when they went on sale last year, but after talking to 
>>> Rivendell, realized that the Homer was a better fit for my use case. Once I 
>>> saw they were offering the butternut/mustard/classic Datsun color, I was 
>>> in. 
>>>
>>>  It's tough picking a size without getting a chance to try the bikes 
>>> first, so I utilized the PBH sizing Riv recommends--but I do think the 
>>> frame is a bit large, all things considered. Standover does work for me, so 
>>> I'm hopeful I can get it to work.  I already have the seat forward on the 
>>> rails, btw. I will swap the stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next 
>>>  would be  handlebars, going shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like 
>>> I shouldn't be afraid of going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm 
>>> Noodle, which feels wide in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the 
>>> Breezer, I went with shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of 
>>> those changes helped a lot. . Oh, and Chris, thanks for reminding me about 
>>> handlebar diameter. I forgot about the different standards. I think between 
>>> bar and stem, I can make it work for me. This bike is beautiful (way more 
>>> than my pic), and I put a lot of thought into the build. In retrospect, I 
>>> would have gotten the bike fit first, with the Breezer, to get all the #s I 
>>> need. 
>>>
>>> Also, thank you Liz for the detailed fit info and the suggestion 
>>> regarding quill/threadless adapters for the bike fit. I was wondering how 
>>> that would work.
>>>
>>> --Eitan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:21:47 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Agreed, I used to run a 30mm extension (w)right stem from Analog Cycles 
 paired with a short reach SimWorks Co-Misirlou Bar on my 61 Toyo AHH. I 
 think a shorter 5cm or even 30mm extension stem will do the trick if 
 you're 
 set on dropbars 
 Max 

 On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:18:41 AM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> so I have a first gen Homer with drop bars and I totally get your 
> point on reach, they do seem to be long bikes.. at least with drop bars 
> fitted. Plus, I firmly believe the Riv folks tend to skew to putting 
> folks 
> a bike one size too large 

Re: [RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Johnny Alien]

As someone that works in the tech field, I can tell you that Analog is 
using a third party commerce platform called Shopify. This is the exact 
same platform that Rivendell uses. If your currency setting gets changed on 
another site that uses Shopify its possible it could maintain that 
accidental preference through other sites. I'm not saying thats what 
happened but it CAN happen. For me, all sites using Shopify were defaulting 
to a payment method that I used once and I was unable to find an easy way 
to switch it back. It took a bit of googling. That is the fault of that 
platform not the shop. One could argue that the shop is responsible for the 
platform they choose (which is true) but there are few services out there 
and small bike shops aren't going to pay to employ a web tech to handle 
such things. What you are describing is a bad user experience NOT anything 
misleading that Analog is doing.

Agree on the Zephyr

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Nick, I believe your currency setting on the Analog website is set to 
> Australian dollars
>
>  Ok, that explains it. Though it's rather misleading for a US website that 
> I've not previously visited to automatically show me the price not in $US 
> with no indication of whose dollars unless I scroll to the bottom of the 
> page. They're doing themselves a disservice, as if I'd been wanting to 
> purchase those cranks, I would have skipped them as having too high a 
> price. Every other website I have used that allows me to change currency 
> denomination from the default for the country it's based in requires me to 
> make an explicit choice.
>
> I do have a pair of those Carmina cranks on a bike, and they are nice, 
> though I think the TA Zephyr cranks on our tandem are even nicer. 
> Unfortunately the Zephyr are no longer in production.
>
> Nick Payne 
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Ben Hannon]

Hey thanks! I made it :) If you're handy with a sewing machine they're not 
too technical to make, just time consuming.

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:07:00 PM UTC-6 Teague Scott wrote:

> Nice build! Wondering who crafted that saddlebag 樂
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 5:33:44 PM UTC-7 in...@brentknepper.com 
> wrote:
>
>> good shots Ben!
>>
>> -Brent in chicagotoo
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 4:35:13 PM UTC-6 Ben Hannon wrote:
>>
>>> No derail! The forward position has shellac but the ergon grips do not, 
>>> I think they're a lot softer without shellac and don't mind reapplying 
>>> every now and then. 
>>>
>>> I agree though, these ergons are definitely the most comfy grip I've 
>>> found, but their color selection is limited, so this is a good way to get 
>>> the grips but in a more preferential color.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:38:39 AM UTC-6 John wrote:
>>>
 I don't want to derail this thread but I'm really into your Newbaums'd 
 GA-3s, too! I recently tried Newbaums on some cheap Soma grips and it 
 turned out pretty good with three coats of shellac helping to hold it all 
 together. GA-3s have emerged as my favorite comfy grips and I think you've 
 inspired me to try wrapping them.

 John in Minnesota

>>>

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