[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

['bikesrfun' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The 54cm Rambouillet listed above as stolen in Santa Barbara was recovered 
and is now listed on paceline:






*"Built this thing up as a townie / every day bike. Absolutely loved it. 
Took it into some gravel (and single track, even) a few times, and was 
surprised how well it did. Fast forward to about 4 months ago...left it 
locked up outside a brewery overnight (dumb, I know) and the inevitable 
happened...returned the next morning and it was gone...cut through the 
lock. Fast forward to yesterday - I see it listed on FB Marketplace, set up 
a sting operation with a police escort and got it back. Amazing! Other than 
a scratch from where they cut the lock on the downtube, everything is 
(miraculously) in the same condition I left it. But here's the rub - while 
the Rambo was gone - I built up a Surly Bridge Club real fancy to fill the 
same role as townie / touring bike. I'd love to keep both, but no space and 
looking to recoup some cost of the new build. Would love to keep it in the 
forum, so reach out with offers, questions, etc..."*
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=304163

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 11:15:14 PM UTC-8 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Clem in 45cm is still FS.
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7714249723.html
>
>
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 3:24:13 PM UTC-8 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wowzers!  a Sam in Oakland...
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7712108590.html
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:02:16 PM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Sad way to start off the year: 
>>>
>>> STOLEN: Rivendell Rambouillet - $200 (Santa Barbara)
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice 54cm Rambouillet, nicely built. 
>>>
>>> Not mine, just saw in on CL. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/bik/d/santa-barbara-stolen-rivendell/7705846559.html
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Time for a new FS thread?

 I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall member 
 here might be interested: 
 https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734

 Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
 been repainted by D Cycles.

 [image: roadeo.jpeg]

 No connection to the seller.

 Max

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Chung Eun Kim]

Clem in 45cm is still FS.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7714249723.html


On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 3:24:13 PM UTC-8 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wowzers!  a Sam in Oakland...
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7712108590.html
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:02:16 PM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Sad way to start off the year: 
>>
>> STOLEN: Rivendell Rambouillet - $200 (Santa Barbara)
>>
>>
>> Nice 54cm Rambouillet, nicely built. 
>>
>> Not mine, just saw in on CL. 
>>
>>
>> https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/bik/d/santa-barbara-stolen-rivendell/7705846559.html
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Time for a new FS thread?
>>>
>>> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall member 
>>> here might be interested: 
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>>>
>>> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
>>> been repainted by D Cycles.
>>>
>>> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>>>
>>> No connection to the seller.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS Items Brakes, Seatposts, Saddles, Derailleurs

[Mike Godwin]

All claimed items shipped today USPS. Last update for remaining items

Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 hole, 
NIB $220 

Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120

Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20

Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20

Shimano long cage 105 RD, RD-5501, $25

Tiagra short cage RD, RD-4500, $15 

Anyone need a pair of Mafac Racers, all bits, one mounting nut missing.  
Make offer. 

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 10:11:01 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hi Folks
> Thank you for the great response. The remaining items are: 
>
> Campy GS crank, 170 length, 144 BCD, w/ 45 t ring. I'll throw in a pant 
> guard made from a 50 t ring if ya want it.  Threads in good condition. $40 
>
> Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 hole, 
> NIB $220 
>
> Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120
>
> Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20
>
> Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20
>
> Tiagra short cage RD, RD-4500, $15 
>
> Avid Shorty cantis 1 bike’s worth. Koolstop/Tektro pads. Missing one 
> barrel for QR end, no straddle cables. $20
> Campagnolo Silca Pump metal head  $25
> If anyone is interested in a 1980 Bianchi Specialisima, 62 cm, Tange 
> Prestige replacement chrome fork, ask for photos. Paint crappy, suffered a 
> front end bump, some crinkled paint but otherwise looks good. Free, you pay 
> shipping. Would make a cool patinaed frame much like the Ramboulliet 
> someone worked over.  
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 1:48:19 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Short *housing* lengths ...
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 2:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ...  IME, good quality single pivots with decent levers,* short cable 
>>> lengths*, and salmon pads stop very well indeed.]
>>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 12:31 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Folks 

 Some bits from parting out the Monstercross, other items that just seem 
 to pile up. Some of the parts you may recognize, boomerang!  PDF 
 compilation of parts photos.  Ask for the source photos if needed.  
 Combine 
 parts to economize on shipping. If you feel the asking price is too high, 
 please make an offer.  Price includes shipping. 

  Campy GS crank, 170 length, 144 BCD, w/ 45 t ring. Threads in good 
 condition. $40 

 Pacenti Forza Classico rims, silver, asymmetric/symmetric pair, 32 
 hole, NIB $220 

 Brooks Swallow, black, steel rails, like new condition.  $120 

 B17s, brown with copper rivets. $65 each, or $100 for both. 

 Suntour Superbe Pro 170 crank, 130 BCD, 53-39 rings. $40 

 Cannondale faux carbon al seatpost. 27.2, uncut.  $20 

 Promax ISO seatpost. 26.4, uncut.  $20 

 SR Custom seatpost, 27.2 uncut.  $15 

 Nitto Crystal Fellow seatpost. 27.2, uncut. $40 

 Suntour XC Pro FD, 28.6. Chrome good condition. $25 

 Shimano 105 long cage RD, RD-5501. $25 

 Also have a short cage Tiagra. $15 

 Paul Components skewers, black with orange, one bike’s worth 
 100/135. $90 

 Dia Compe Royal Gran Compe brakes 47-57 mm reach, no pads. Recessed, 
 all hardware.  $40  

 Paul Components brakes, 1 bike’s worth. Touring Canti and Neo Retro, 
 silver, dual compound Koolstop pads. straddle cables, red hangers.  $165
  

 Dia Compe 750 Centerpull brakes, NIB, 62-78 mm reach, no pads. Nutted, 
 all hardware.  $45 

 Avid Shorty cantis 1 bike’s worth. Koolstop/Tektro pads. Missing one 
 barrel for QR end, no straddle cables. $20 

 Shimano 1 speed FW 3/32 pitch 18 t, SF-MX30  $15 

 Campagnolo Silca Pump metal head  $25 

 Sanyo chainstay generator. NIB, includes wires, brackets, front/rear 
 lights, manual  $25 

 Ephemera, instruction/sales page for Christrophe toe clips. Raleigh 
 tire pressure gauge, bag of zinc coated steel cables, good for making 
 flexible straddle cables. 

 Mike SLO CA

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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Maybe not the best, but pretty good considering that whole psycho-killer 
business..  And the celebrity one is most likely to see on an N-YC bike 
path! 
So yeah, good article, better bike.
-Kai

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:15:06 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Thanks for the article, Kai.  It wasn't the best-written article I have 
> ever read, but there is a lot of fun cultural history content in there.  
>
> Pink for the win!
>
> BL in EC
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:57:15 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s a good bike, and a great color. The lawyer lips were lost in 
>> transit? Or that’s a semi custom option?
>> Here’s a great essay by David Byrne on Pink, if you’re interested- 
>> https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/11/byrne.php
>> Enjoy!
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>
>>> It's getting real
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The saddle height in the pics is 80cm.

Bill, your technical knowledge is way past mine - I'd always assumed the 
brake arms were the same and didn't notice any difference in feel. I will 
swap them front to back, thanks for the tip! And right now, I'd like to 
keep them with the complete bike. If the sale of just the frame frees them 
up, I'll get back with you.

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 6:36:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm in the market for a set of M900 cantilevers.  Let me know if you want 
> me to liberate them
>
> Also, it looks to me like you have the brakes installed backwards.  The 
> M900s were very cleverly designed by Shimano to be slightly different, 
> FRONT vs REAR.  The intent was for them to feel the same in your hand.  The 
> REAR has a longer run of cable and housing, so would naturally feel 
> squishier.  So, they designed the REAR caliper to have a little bit shorter 
> arms, and a corresponding slightly lower Mechanical Advantage.  That offset 
> the squishiness of the cable and housing run, and the MA demands for a rear 
> brake are lower anyway because it's much easier to lock up a rear brake.  
> The FRONT had longer arms and a higher MA to complement the stiffer feel 
> from a much shorter cable run.  
>
> You have the longer arms installed in back and the shorter ones in front.  
> At a glance you can tell them apart by the size of the hole in the arm.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:24:47 PM UTC-8 Gary L wrote:
>
>> I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is up 
>> for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not sure 
>> about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see from 
>> the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
>> discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.
>>
>> I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front 
>> rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between 
>> priced accordingly.
>>
>> Component list:
>> Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
>> Silver shifters
>> XTR m900 cantis
>> Tektro brake levers
>> Noodle 46cm bars
>> Generic seat post from Riv
>> Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe 
>> Marathon Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)
>>
>> I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to 
>> ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.
>>
>> Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p
>>
>> Send me a PM with any questions!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Patrick Moore]

I've told this anecdote many times before, but don't let that stop me. I
once carried 50 lb on a Tubus Fly attached to a lightweight -- noticeably
lighter than my Riv Roads -- 531 1973 Motobecane Grand Record (brake bridge
mounting and the frame had fender eyelets IIRC). It handled such loads
better than my Sam, my Ram, my 2003 Curt, my 2020 Matthews Curt clone, etc
etc etc. Sure, there was initial tail wag upon a transition to standing --
I grunted it up a 4/10 mile long very steep hill at 4 mph on my computer --
20 rpm in the 67" gear IIRC -- but it went away in a second after the
transition. Usual rear loads were in the 25 to 40 lb range.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 1:28 PM Chester  wrote:

> ... I'd sometimes go grocery shopping and load everything into one or two
> of the Ortliebs. Probably mostly just 15-25 pounds. Wasn't going far, so
> affect on handling didn't really matter, even though this was on a bike
> with race geo. Didn't have mounting eyelets on front fork so I was limited
> to a rear rack.
>

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco Randonneurs 200k ride report

[RichS]

Toshi, congratulations on your ride. Thank you for the ride report and the 
rice bar recipe. I'm impressed by your 18 minute total time stopped. That's 
a page from Jan Heine's playbook. "Inspiring" for sure to quote your fellow 
rando Mr. Lindsay.

Looking forward to your report from the 300k.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 5:27:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> This should be inspiring to anybody who thinks they can't do a long ride 
> just because they only do short rides.  If you ride several times a week 
> and believe that your bike fits you, then you can do a long ride.  The only 
> thing stopping you is you choosing not to do one.  Choosing not to ride a 
> long ride is a perfectly logical choice, mind you.  Just Ride!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:12:09 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> The Russian River 200k comes in at a little over 200k with 126 miles.  I 
>> consider myself a lazy randonneur.  I prefer to train as little as 
>> possible, while also trying to minimize the suffering on the event day as 
>> much as possible.
>>
>> I'm not unfit because I commute to work on my bike (Cheviot). During the 
>> school year, I drop my daughter off at school, park the car nearby and ride 
>> my bike to work and back to the car after work.  It's about 5 miles and 
>> ~600 ft of elevation gain.  My base is therefore 40-50 miles a week (4-5 
>> commute days) and two weekends I did a 15 mile loop from my house.  It's 
>> enough training to finish the 126-miler, but I wanted to ride without 
>> suffering unduly.
>>
>> I drew on my experience:
>>
>> 1. I know what my body likes to eat on long rides.  
>> My go to recipe: rice bars-I think of it as an elevated spam musubi
>> https://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/recipes/dr-lims-bacon-and-egg-rice-cakes
>>
>> I put in chicken apple sausage instead of bacon and skip the maple 
>> sugar/brown syrup.  I wrap the rice/eggs/sausage in seaweed like a sushi 
>> roll and plop it in a sandwich baggie.  I didn't have to stop for anything 
>> yesterday except some water and a quick bathroom break.
>>
>> 2. I know that with my base of fitness, I need to stay within a very 
>> narrow range of effort.  If I put in too much effort, then my body won't be 
>> able to recover.
>>
>> --This means that I need to go slow out of the gate and not get caught up 
>> in the excitement of the start, and I have to take it easy on the hills and 
>> spin in my low gears.  If I follow this strategy, then I can maintain 
>> energy until the end without struggling to the finish line. 
>>
>> (Conversely, a countless number of times, have I gone too hard at the 
>> start and limped along to the end!)
>>
>> It was a chilly start and forecast for 38 degrees, which on a steep 
>> downhill is practically ski weather, so I put on my ski gloves on top of my 
>> fingerless gloves to start the day off.
>>
>> As expected, out of the gate it was fast.  I kept it slow.  I was riding 
>> alone that day because my friend was just returning from Germany and was 
>> jet lagged, so I went at my own pace.
>>
>> Soon, I was the last one of the 60 or so riders and the only people I saw 
>> were the late starters who were passing me.  
>>
>> It was cold as expected, and it was also foggy with condensation on my 
>> glasses, so visibility was poor for a while, but gradually the sun came out 
>> and it was a beautiful day.  I met up with another Riv that day--a rider 
>> with a beautiful A Homer Hilsen (I'm sorry I missed his name).  He caught a 
>> nice picture as the sun started to come out and we had a beautiful view of 
>> the rolling hills.  
>>
>> I made my way through the grazing cows and worked through the Russian 
>> River valley over to the coast where it was a really beautiful day.  We 
>> headed back down the coast and then back to the start at San Rafael.
>>
>> --In terms of time allowed for the ride, the minimum pace is roughly 10 
>> miles per hour, including stops, giving about 12.6 hours to finish. 
>>
>> I exceeded my target goal of 10-11 hours and came in under 10 hours. I 
>> only had 18 minutes of time stopped (a record low for me), including a 
>> couple of construction 1-lane delays, so that helped me maintain a good 
>> time.
>>
>> For the 300k, I'm going to add in some 28 mile training loops. I figure 
>> if I go hard on the 28-milers, then it will be enough to finish modestly 
>> well on the 300k.  
>>
>> Until next time,
>> Toshi in Oakland
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm in the market for a set of M900 cantilevers.  Let me know if you want 
me to liberate them

Also, it looks to me like you have the brakes installed backwards.  The 
M900s were very cleverly designed by Shimano to be slightly different, 
FRONT vs REAR.  The intent was for them to feel the same in your hand.  The 
REAR has a longer run of cable and housing, so would naturally feel 
squishier.  So, they designed the REAR caliper to have a little bit shorter 
arms, and a corresponding slightly lower Mechanical Advantage.  That offset 
the squishiness of the cable and housing run, and the MA demands for a rear 
brake are lower anyway because it's much easier to lock up a rear brake.  
The FRONT had longer arms and a higher MA to complement the stiffer feel 
from a much shorter cable run.  

You have the longer arms installed in back and the shorter ones in front.  
At a glance you can tell them apart by the size of the hole in the arm.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:24:47 PM UTC-8 Gary L wrote:

> I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is up 
> for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not sure 
> about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see from 
> the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
> discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.
>
> I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front 
> rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between 
> priced accordingly.
>
> Component list:
> Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
> Silver shifters
> XTR m900 cantis
> Tektro brake levers
> Noodle 46cm bars
> Generic seat post from Riv
> Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe Marathon 
> Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)
>
> I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to 
> ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.
>
> Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p
>
> Send me a PM with any questions!
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

[Richard Rose]

What a beauty! Any idea what the saddle height is as pictured?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 12, 2024, at 4:24 PM, 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is up for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not sure about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see from the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between priced accordingly.Component list:Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and ringsSilver shiftersXTR m900 cantisTektro brake leversNoodle 46cm barsGeneric seat post from RivWheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to ship if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01pSend me a PM with any questions!



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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks for the article, Kai.  It wasn't the best-written article I have 
ever read, but there is a lot of fun cultural history content in there.  

Pink for the win!

BL in EC
On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:57:15 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> That’s a good bike, and a great color. The lawyer lips were lost in 
> transit? Or that’s a semi custom option?
> Here’s a great essay by David Byrne on Pink, if you’re interested- 
> https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/11/byrne.php
> Enjoy!
> -Kai
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rick at D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to Rivendell 
>> HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my color-matched Rene 
>> Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>
>> It's getting real
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco Randonneurs 200k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

This should be inspiring to anybody who thinks they can't do a long ride 
just because they only do short rides.  If you ride several times a week 
and believe that your bike fits you, then you can do a long ride.  The only 
thing stopping you is you choosing not to do one.  Choosing not to ride a 
long ride is a perfectly logical choice, mind you.  Just Ride!

BL in EC

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:12:09 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> The Russian River 200k comes in at a little over 200k with 126 miles.  I 
> consider myself a lazy randonneur.  I prefer to train as little as 
> possible, while also trying to minimize the suffering on the event day as 
> much as possible.
>
> I'm not unfit because I commute to work on my bike (Cheviot). During the 
> school year, I drop my daughter off at school, park the car nearby and ride 
> my bike to work and back to the car after work.  It's about 5 miles and 
> ~600 ft of elevation gain.  My base is therefore 40-50 miles a week (4-5 
> commute days) and two weekends I did a 15 mile loop from my house.  It's 
> enough training to finish the 126-miler, but I wanted to ride without 
> suffering unduly.
>
> I drew on my experience:
>
> 1. I know what my body likes to eat on long rides.  
> My go to recipe: rice bars-I think of it as an elevated spam musubi
> https://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/recipes/dr-lims-bacon-and-egg-rice-cakes
>
> I put in chicken apple sausage instead of bacon and skip the maple 
> sugar/brown syrup.  I wrap the rice/eggs/sausage in seaweed like a sushi 
> roll and plop it in a sandwich baggie.  I didn't have to stop for anything 
> yesterday except some water and a quick bathroom break.
>
> 2. I know that with my base of fitness, I need to stay within a very 
> narrow range of effort.  If I put in too much effort, then my body won't be 
> able to recover.
>
> --This means that I need to go slow out of the gate and not get caught up 
> in the excitement of the start, and I have to take it easy on the hills and 
> spin in my low gears.  If I follow this strategy, then I can maintain 
> energy until the end without struggling to the finish line. 
>
> (Conversely, a countless number of times, have I gone too hard at the 
> start and limped along to the end!)
>
> It was a chilly start and forecast for 38 degrees, which on a steep 
> downhill is practically ski weather, so I put on my ski gloves on top of my 
> fingerless gloves to start the day off.
>
> As expected, out of the gate it was fast.  I kept it slow.  I was riding 
> alone that day because my friend was just returning from Germany and was 
> jet lagged, so I went at my own pace.
>
> Soon, I was the last one of the 60 or so riders and the only people I saw 
> were the late starters who were passing me.  
>
> It was cold as expected, and it was also foggy with condensation on my 
> glasses, so visibility was poor for a while, but gradually the sun came out 
> and it was a beautiful day.  I met up with another Riv that day--a rider 
> with a beautiful A Homer Hilsen (I'm sorry I missed his name).  He caught a 
> nice picture as the sun started to come out and we had a beautiful view of 
> the rolling hills.  
>
> I made my way through the grazing cows and worked through the Russian 
> River valley over to the coast where it was a really beautiful day.  We 
> headed back down the coast and then back to the start at San Rafael.
>
> --In terms of time allowed for the ride, the minimum pace is roughly 10 
> miles per hour, including stops, giving about 12.6 hours to finish. 
>
> I exceeded my target goal of 10-11 hours and came in under 10 hours. I 
> only had 18 minutes of time stopped (a record low for me), including a 
> couple of construction 1-lane delays, so that helped me maintain a good 
> time.
>
> For the 300k, I'm going to add in some 28 mile training loops. I figure if 
> I go hard on the 28-milers, then it will be enough to finish modestly well 
> on the 300k.  
>
> Until next time,
> Toshi in Oakland
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco Randonneurs 200k ride report

[Brady Smith]

Lazy randonneuring is smart randonneuring. I have no qualms about going to 
the wall in a Zwift race every now and again, but if I'm out for 10-20 
hours, I'd better enjoy it. Congrats on your ride!

Brady in SLC

On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 1:48:34 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Meanwhile, I am such a lazy randonneur that I stayed home. Sounds like you 
> had a great ride, where you got to meet all the predetermined goals.
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:12:09 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> The Russian River 200k comes in at a little over 200k with 126 miles.  I 
>> consider myself a lazy randonneur.  I prefer to train as little as 
>> possible, while also trying to minimize the suffering on the event day as 
>> much as possible.
>>
>> I'm not unfit because I commute to work on my bike (Cheviot). During the 
>> school year, I drop my daughter off at school, park the car nearby and ride 
>> my bike to work and back to the car after work.  It's about 5 miles and 
>> ~600 ft of elevation gain.  My base is therefore 40-50 miles a week (4-5 
>> commute days) and two weekends I did a 15 mile loop from my house.  It's 
>> enough training to finish the 126-miler, but I wanted to ride without 
>> suffering unduly.
>>
>> I drew on my experience:
>>
>> 1. I know what my body likes to eat on long rides.  
>> My go to recipe: rice bars-I think of it as an elevated spam musubi
>> https://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/recipes/dr-lims-bacon-and-egg-rice-cakes
>>
>> I put in chicken apple sausage instead of bacon and skip the maple 
>> sugar/brown syrup.  I wrap the rice/eggs/sausage in seaweed like a sushi 
>> roll and plop it in a sandwich baggie.  I didn't have to stop for anything 
>> yesterday except some water and a quick bathroom break.
>>
>> 2. I know that with my base of fitness, I need to stay within a very 
>> narrow range of effort.  If I put in too much effort, then my body won't be 
>> able to recover.
>>
>> --This means that I need to go slow out of the gate and not get caught up 
>> in the excitement of the start, and I have to take it easy on the hills and 
>> spin in my low gears.  If I follow this strategy, then I can maintain 
>> energy until the end without struggling to the finish line. 
>>
>> (Conversely, a countless number of times, have I gone too hard at the 
>> start and limped along to the end!)
>>
>> It was a chilly start and forecast for 38 degrees, which on a steep 
>> downhill is practically ski weather, so I put on my ski gloves on top of my 
>> fingerless gloves to start the day off.
>>
>> As expected, out of the gate it was fast.  I kept it slow.  I was riding 
>> alone that day because my friend was just returning from Germany and was 
>> jet lagged, so I went at my own pace.
>>
>> Soon, I was the last one of the 60 or so riders and the only people I saw 
>> were the late starters who were passing me.  
>>
>> It was cold as expected, and it was also foggy with condensation on my 
>> glasses, so visibility was poor for a while, but gradually the sun came out 
>> and it was a beautiful day.  I met up with another Riv that day--a rider 
>> with a beautiful A Homer Hilsen (I'm sorry I missed his name).  He caught a 
>> nice picture as the sun started to come out and we had a beautiful view of 
>> the rolling hills.  
>>
>> I made my way through the grazing cows and worked through the Russian 
>> River valley over to the coast where it was a really beautiful day.  We 
>> headed back down the coast and then back to the start at San Rafael.
>>
>> --In terms of time allowed for the ride, the minimum pace is roughly 10 
>> miles per hour, including stops, giving about 12.6 hours to finish. 
>>
>> I exceeded my target goal of 10-11 hours and came in under 10 hours. I 
>> only had 18 minutes of time stopped (a record low for me), including a 
>> couple of construction 1-lane delays, so that helped me maintain a good 
>> time.
>>
>> For the 300k, I'm going to add in some 28 mile training loops. I figure 
>> if I go hard on the 28-milers, then it will be enough to finish modestly 
>> well on the 300k.  
>>
>> Until next time,
>> Toshi in Oakland
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: 58cm silver double top tube Appaloosa

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've decided to free up some garage space so my wonderful Appaloosa is up 
for sale. It's a silver 58cm, double top tube earlier model, but not sure 
about the year it was made (maybe two iterations ago?). As you can see from 
the pics, it is in very excellent condition with just some slight 
discoloration on the head tube from cable rub.

I'd be open to selling the whole bike (minus Brooks seat, bag, and front 
rack) for $1950, or the F/F/HS/BB for $1100 obo. Also anywhere in between 
priced accordingly.

Component list:
Deore LX front/rear derailleurs/175mm crank arms and rings
Silver shifters
XTR m900 cantis
Tektro brake levers
Noodle 46cm bars
Generic seat post from Riv
Wheels - Mavic Open Pro rims/Deore LX hubs, 36 DB spokes/Schwalbe Marathon 
Supreme 40s (not the RH's pictured)

I'm in Asheville, NC and local pickup would be easiest, but willing to ship 
if buyer pays for packing/shipping. PayPal preferred.

Lots of pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xGFqhgJG7q01p

Send me a PM with any questions!

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Re: [RBW] NorCal Coast Tour Route Feedback

[Andrew Letton]

 Hi Stephen,Yes, when one sees the "Golden rollin' hills of California" in the 
summertime, it is hard to remember the North Coast rainforests! The hotter it 
gets inland, the foggier the coastline. It can be 100F thirty miles inland and 
a foggy 58F on the coast in July.As for mud, the dirt in the Lost Coast region 
is pretty rocky and drains well, so aside from low areas where rain washed silt 
(that fine dust of the summer) may accumulate, mud probably won't be a big 
issue. I've certainly never experienced the peanut-butter-mud that I've heard 
of in other areas.cheers,Andrew in 31C=88F Sydney, wishing for some North Coast 
fog!

On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 12:07:07 AM GMT+11, Stephen 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for the input Andrew! What a place to grow up! I've been up along the 
Usal Road to camp once before and I remember it being pretty rugged.. Don't 
mind a little extra dirt. I am curious just how wet it will be up thataways, 
and if itll be so muddy as to be problematic. Hard to say I guess, April is 
apparently the tail end of the rainy season. I always think of california as 
such a dry place I kind of forget that this whole route is basically riding 
through a rain forest.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:22:42 PM UTC-5 Andrew Letton wrote:

 Hi Stephen,Looks like a great ride!I grew up in the Lost Coast area (Whale 
Gulch), so your first route goes right through my home turf.One thing that I 
find suspicious is that RWGPS seems to show some paved road between Four 
Corners and Dutchman's Flat, and I don't believe that's true. The Usal Road is 
pretty remote and depending on the time of year, not well maintained. I believe 
the county only maintains it during summer months, so in winter it is sometimes 
unpassable in a car. That shouldn't stop a bicycle, but you may find areas 
pretty rutted. YMMV! I've ridden it only once, in summer, and my problem was 
not bringing enough water, so plan accordingly. It's only about 26 miles, but 
as you can see from RWGPS, it's a pretty intense 26 miles! Don't let that scare 
you off, just be prepared. You will be rewarded by some spectacular country.  
You can probably fill water bottles at the Whale Gulch School, just before you 
get to Four Corners. After Four Corners, you'll be heading off into truly 
unpopulated areas and are unlikely to find much water. (Filter what you do 
find!) Oh, and if it is dust season (June-Sep), you may want to have a bandana 
around your neck, ready to pull up over your mouth/nose for when cars (very 
occasionally) pass. Ah, I just saw that you're thinking of April, so dust will 
not likely be an issue, but rain may be; you'll be riding through one of the 
wettest regions in the whole state! ;-)  
https://www.eldoradoweather.com/calprecip-full-size.htmlHave a great ride, and 
I look forward to your ride report...
cheers,Andrew, from Whale Gulch; now in Sydney
(Image from Google Street View at Four Corners)




On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 07:39:01 AM GMT+11, Stephen 
 wrote:  
 
 Hey All,
This week I've been fantasizing about a tour route from Eureka to SF that 
follows the PCH but avoids riding on it as much as possible (within reason). So 
I've been playing around in rwgps and Gaia Gps maps to make some route drafts, 
trying to stay close to the coast but choosing alternate roads and dirt roads 
as much as possible to avoid traffic. 
For the beginning of the route I used part of a Lost Coast tour route that ends 
and begins in Eureka. As for the end, I've done a fair bit of riding in Marin 
and have familiarity with the roads and trails up to Sir Francis Drake Road. 
Will probably make two different route endings, one for east bay and one for 
SF. (the route draft I have now is for eastbay) 
I was wondering if anyone on the list had experience in the other areas up the 
coast, or has done a similar ride, or been on any of the roads I've routed or 
had recommendations? Sometimes you see a road on a map and in reality its 
private access or washed away. Would appreciate any thoughts or feedback or 
anybody who wants to nerd out on maps and routemaking.
Playing with the idea of riding this on my appaloosa in April.
ROUTES:https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561107
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561484

Let me know if theres trouble accessing those.
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco Randonneurs 200k ride report

[Stephen Durfee]

Meanwhile, I am such a lazy randonneur that I stayed home. Sounds like you 
had a great ride, where you got to meet all the predetermined goals.

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:12:09 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:

> The Russian River 200k comes in at a little over 200k with 126 miles.  I 
> consider myself a lazy randonneur.  I prefer to train as little as 
> possible, while also trying to minimize the suffering on the event day as 
> much as possible.
>
> I'm not unfit because I commute to work on my bike (Cheviot). During the 
> school year, I drop my daughter off at school, park the car nearby and ride 
> my bike to work and back to the car after work.  It's about 5 miles and 
> ~600 ft of elevation gain.  My base is therefore 40-50 miles a week (4-5 
> commute days) and two weekends I did a 15 mile loop from my house.  It's 
> enough training to finish the 126-miler, but I wanted to ride without 
> suffering unduly.
>
> I drew on my experience:
>
> 1. I know what my body likes to eat on long rides.  
> My go to recipe: rice bars-I think of it as an elevated spam musubi
> https://www.skratchlabs.com/blogs/recipes/dr-lims-bacon-and-egg-rice-cakes
>
> I put in chicken apple sausage instead of bacon and skip the maple 
> sugar/brown syrup.  I wrap the rice/eggs/sausage in seaweed like a sushi 
> roll and plop it in a sandwich baggie.  I didn't have to stop for anything 
> yesterday except some water and a quick bathroom break.
>
> 2. I know that with my base of fitness, I need to stay within a very 
> narrow range of effort.  If I put in too much effort, then my body won't be 
> able to recover.
>
> --This means that I need to go slow out of the gate and not get caught up 
> in the excitement of the start, and I have to take it easy on the hills and 
> spin in my low gears.  If I follow this strategy, then I can maintain 
> energy until the end without struggling to the finish line. 
>
> (Conversely, a countless number of times, have I gone too hard at the 
> start and limped along to the end!)
>
> It was a chilly start and forecast for 38 degrees, which on a steep 
> downhill is practically ski weather, so I put on my ski gloves on top of my 
> fingerless gloves to start the day off.
>
> As expected, out of the gate it was fast.  I kept it slow.  I was riding 
> alone that day because my friend was just returning from Germany and was 
> jet lagged, so I went at my own pace.
>
> Soon, I was the last one of the 60 or so riders and the only people I saw 
> were the late starters who were passing me.  
>
> It was cold as expected, and it was also foggy with condensation on my 
> glasses, so visibility was poor for a while, but gradually the sun came out 
> and it was a beautiful day.  I met up with another Riv that day--a rider 
> with a beautiful A Homer Hilsen (I'm sorry I missed his name).  He caught a 
> nice picture as the sun started to come out and we had a beautiful view of 
> the rolling hills.  
>
> I made my way through the grazing cows and worked through the Russian 
> River valley over to the coast where it was a really beautiful day.  We 
> headed back down the coast and then back to the start at San Rafael.
>
> --In terms of time allowed for the ride, the minimum pace is roughly 10 
> miles per hour, including stops, giving about 12.6 hours to finish. 
>
> I exceeded my target goal of 10-11 hours and came in under 10 hours. I 
> only had 18 minutes of time stopped (a record low for me), including a 
> couple of construction 1-lane delays, so that helped me maintain a good 
> time.
>
> For the 300k, I'm going to add in some 28 mile training loops. I figure if 
> I go hard on the 28-milers, then it will be enough to finish modestly well 
> on the 300k.  
>
> Until next time,
> Toshi in Oakland
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Chester]

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 3:42:11 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

I used to put my work kit into a shoulder bag and put that bag into my 
Carradice Camper Longflap; I still don't understand the advantages of a big 
front basket except that you don't need to undo and re-do straps.


Probably the undoing and redoing of straps is the big disadvantage, at 
least when it comes to using a bike as urban transport, in an area where a 
saddlebag is likely to get stolen. It's a pain if you're hopping around.

That said, I used to have a laptop and misc inside a bag that I'd chuck 
into an Ortlieb Back Roller. To get the work bag off my back, and also to 
put it into something totally waterproof. It was super convenient, still, 
to click the Ortlieb right off. 

I'd sometimes go grocery shopping and load everything into one or two of 
the Ortliebs. Probably mostly just 15-25 pounds. Wasn't going far, so 
affect on handling didn't really matter, even though this was on a bike 
with race geo. Didn't have mounting eyelets on front fork so I was limited 
to a rear rack.

Chester
SF Bay Area
 

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[RBW] FS: Campagnolo wheelset/Compass tires

[CMR]

Campagnolo centaur hubs laced to Mavic Open Pros, all silver with tied and 
soldered spokes.
11 speed cassette (I believe it's a Miche)
No quick releases
Run true, good condition

$400 shipped or $340 picked up in Menlo Park. Add $50 for a pair of Compass 
Stampede Pass tires (700x32).

Trade for 53cm Black Mountain Cycles Road+/MCD (I add money).

Chris
Menlo Park, CA

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[RBW] Re: Armand’s Garage Sale Extravaganza Part 1/2: Nitto, Paul, White Ind, Silver, Shimano, Herse, & More!

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

Sent you a PM about the Dura-Ace crank bolts (I think haha).

Josh
BI, WA

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 8:39:50 AM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> *New additions at the top, and discounted prices below. Buy my stuff! Fund 
> my Platypus! *
>
>
> *NEW STUFF TO THE LIST: *
>
>- Platypus Complete 700c/29er wheels! I'm very impressed by this 
>handsome wheelset. Silky smooth hubs, fun black/silver alternating spoke 
>nipples, no-nonsense Alex DM24 rims, WITH excellent Soma Shikoro tires! 
>I'll throw in the quick release skewers too. How's $450 + cheapest 
> shipping 
>via pirateship sound? 
>- NITTO NR-20 rear saddle bag support NEW - The cutest, strongest 
>little rack you've ever seen, and sold out everywhere for quite some time. 
>Yes, originally made for 26" frames, but you can bend the arms/tabs to 
> make 
>them fit nearly anything, not that far off. $110 shipped! 
>- Sram GX Eagle 10-52t cassette + chain, NEW - Blasphemy posting this 
>here? Not if you need it! Prove me right for only $200 shipped. ;) 
>
> *UPDATES AND DISCOUNTED PRICES:*
>
> *(Reminder: P**rices include shipping, discounts for multiple item 
> purchases or local pick-up. * *View detailed photos here in my dropbox. 
> *
>  
> *)* 
>
> *Hard Goods:*
>
>- New take-off Silver cranks 172mm - includes original new chainring 
>bolts, new steel 28t inner ring, and used Middleburn chainrings - 
> 50/40/28t 
>- $180 *NOW $165*
>- Tubus Airy Titanium rear pannier rack - new - over $400 new, weighs 
>360g and holds 57lbs (view photos for tire clearance w/ 48mm tires on my 
>Platypus) - $350 *NOW $325*
>- White Industries 68x113mm SS bottom bracket - Less than 50 miles, 
>some blemishes on the lockring, otherwise spins like new. *$110!*
>- Paul QR Skewers - Purple - New in box never mounted - $200 ($216 + 
>tax/shipping new) *NOW $165*
>
>
>- Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
>$180+ to your door - $160 - *NOW $140*
>
>
>- Nitto “T” Bottle Cage - New in box - $60 - *Price drop to $50*
>
>
>
>
>- Shimano Ultegra 9-speed CS-6500 Cassette - 12-27t - Excellent used 
>condition, no “mushrooming” on the edges of the engaged teeth present - 
> $40 *NOW 
>$30*
>
>
>- MKS Gamma/Monarch Pedals, Silver, WITH black Rivendell side-step 
>extensions - new in box - *SOLD*
>
>
>- Maxxis 26 x 2.3” DTH Tires - Less than 25 miles - Ultra rare light 
>skin tanwall that has been out of production for several years - 
>lightweight, smooth rolling, and great looking - *$75 pair*
>
>
>- Rene Herse front cable hangar - grooved ferrule version - New never 
>mounted - *SOLD*
>- Kryptonite Mini+ evolution U-lock w/ wheel extension - like new - 
>*SOLD*
>
>
>- Dura Ace 7410 titanium crank arm bolts - excellent condition - *$25*
>
>
>- King cargo cage (without the box ) - *SOLD*
>- Pletscher Edge Kickstand - signs of use, hard to find - *$25*
>
>
>- Tange square taper bb - 68x103mm - NEW - *SOLD*
>- Koolstop thinline threaded pads x4 - black - new - *SOLD*
>
>
>- Niterider Lumina 550 headlight - Very little use over the years, 
>mostly stored with an appropriate level of charge for good battery health 
> - 
>some dust from burning man on there (no charge ;) -* $20*
>
> *Soft Goods:*
>
>- Patagonia Men’s Houdini windbreaker jacket - size medium, grey - 
>slight tear on the inside chest pocket, does not effect the main body 
>fabric. amazing piece that weighs and packs down to nothing! Only selling 
>because I bought another one - *SOLD*
>
>
>
>
>- Mission Workshop Torre Merino Wool Hoodie Black - size medium - 
>Midweight 100% merino wool sweater, amazing piece in excellent condition 
>but a very trim fit, would recommend it if you are a small/extra small or 
>are a medium but want an on-the-body fit - $100
>
>
>- Ornot tech shirts - size medium (fits like a small) dark grey and 
>“mars” red - very unique fabric - *$40 for 2*
>
>
>- Ornot Mission shorts - red - size 30 - Like new, no signs of use - 
>*$75*
>
>
>- Ornot Mini handlebar bag + seat bag - fun “nordic” color - new w/ 
>tags - *$60*
>
>
>- Brooks Dalston Medium lime-olive backpack - new in bag and very 
>stylish/handsome/well-made - costs $207 new - $125 -* NOW $100*
>
> My Platypus thanks you! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini Build - Mix of Modern and Retro

[Piaw Na]

Any chance you can post a picture of the rear brake and the tire clearance 
(if any)?

I've been experimenting with the Ass Saver Win Wing Gravel (found someone 
selling them on ebay for $10), and I have to say that it works surprisingly 
well. Easy-on Easy-off. Won't protect your BB bearings but since I'm 
getting around 25K miles on the BB bearings anyway I'm fine with that.

On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 11:01:38 AM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> The build is complete!  This is iteration 1a.  1b will occur later this 
> week when I get a new seat post, with 0 setback; and a different stem, 10mm 
> shorter and less rise (that should be very close to the fit I'm looking for 
> on this bike...saddle not at the end of the max line on the rails, as I 
> want it around 5mm closer, then up 1-2mm, and I want to rotate the bars 
> forward a bit to get a better hand position on the hoods).
>
> Shout out to C Cycles in Montreal, Quebec (Canada).  Very helpful and 
> patient with me (e.g., getting the bar tape and gel pad dialled in after 
> good discussion).  For any Canadian's out there, definitely check them out 
> for your Riv needs (and thoughtful selection of other bikes, components and 
> accessories).
>
> *Colour*: It was a difficult call between this and Sergio Green.  I'm 
> happy with my choice in the end.  I like the gum hoods, though I initially 
> wanted the black/silver and thought would go well with brown bar tape; 
> maybe in a future iteration.  I didn't like the look of these gum hoods 
> with black bar tape, and I've always had black, so I wanted something 
> different that compliments the hoods and looks nice against the frame. 
>  This Fizik tape was the best (to me) of what I had looked at.  A shade 
> darker would have been good, but this colour is growing on me.  When it 
> gets a bit dirty and I think it will improve!  I bet the crank would like 
> sweet in silver...I'll leave that for a future iteration, as I wanted to 
> use what I already owned (I ticked this box in spades).
>
> *Build*: I wont list out everything as most are clear from the photos 
> below.  Wheels are handbuilt; I've had a set of these previously and really 
> liked them.  I had the tires already (GKSS 43mm) and they were great on 
> this initial ride (mainly paved, with some gravel that was ride-able); they 
> measure 42.2, and there was plenty more room on the front but not much in 
> the back for anything larger, but these were fine.  I had DT shifters on a 
> bike 10 years ago and really enjoyed using them, and I really liked them on 
> today's ride.  I'll save the rest of the parts for below.  I will add 
> though that I have a second wheel set that I'm going to set up with 30mm 
> fast rubberier road rides to see if I can keep up with my buddy who is 
> faster than me (more to come on this!).
>
> *The Ride*: like wow!  So much to say, I'm going to forget a whole bunch 
> of things I thought of during the 2hr ride.  I'll compare to the Surly 
> Cross Chek I had over a year ago and my Salsa Fargo (replaced the CC, and I 
> love it for unpaved).  Carrying the bike upstairs for the first ride, was 
> much lighter than I thought (I have zero complaints with the weight). 
>  Minor fit issues aside (soon to be resolved, hopefully), the ride was so 
> smooth, maybe the smoothest bike I've ever had.   I had these tires on 
> the Fargo up to now, and over the same surfaces the Roadini really smoothed 
> out the cracks in the pavement, as well as the trails (I felt like I had a 
> little suspension).  One of the reasons I initially looked at this bike as 
> an option for a 3rd bike was that the Fargo with 43mm for winter and 
> anytime the road bike wouldn't cut it, was not very enjoyable (harsh, 
> squirly streeing, sluggish).  With 2.2's it is amazing and I love it on the 
> trails where I live, but as an all-road / distance bike, I didn't enjoy it. 
>  Enter the Roadini.  When I stood up to sprint or climb up a hill, it 
> accelerated way better than the Fargo, and a bit better from the CC from 
> what I recall.  I was, again, pleasantly surprised with how fast I was 
> moving.  Cornering was predictable and neither sluggish or squirly, it just 
> went where I wanted to go with minimal input...while holding its line 
> predictably.  The DT shifters were fun.  A couple of times I tried to shift 
> with the brake lever and remembered that's a different bike!  Shifting was 
> very light touch and I quickly realized this, as I would easily shift two 
> gears when not wanting to...by the end of the ride I felt 75% comfortable 
> using them (and this will only improve).  Brake levers felt very good, and 
> the braking power was also very good.  I have Ultergra R8000 brakes on my 
> road bike and they are amazing (power and modulation).  These are a notch 
> below, but very effective...and they easily clear 43mm tires so who needs 
> discs?!  I love my discs on the Fargo, in mud/dirt, but the Roadini does 
> not need discs at all 

Re: [RBW] NorCal Coast Tour Route Feedback

[Stephen]

Thanks for the input Andrew! 
What a place to grow up! I've been up along the Usal Road to camp once 
before and I remember it being pretty rugged.. Don't mind a little extra 
dirt. I am curious just how wet it will be up thataways, and if itll be so 
muddy as to be problematic. Hard to say I guess, April is apparently the 
tail end of the rainy season. I always think of california as such a dry 
place I kind of forget that this whole route is basically riding through a 
rain forest.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:22:42 PM UTC-5 Andrew Letton wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
> Looks like a great ride!
> I grew up in the Lost Coast area (Whale Gulch), so your first route goes 
> right through my home turf.
> One thing that I find suspicious is that RWGPS seems to show some paved 
> road between Four Corners and Dutchman's Flat, and I don't believe that's 
> true. The Usal Road is pretty remote and depending on the time of year, not 
> well maintained. I believe the county only maintains it during summer 
> months, so in winter it is sometimes unpassable in a car. That shouldn't 
> stop a bicycle, but you may find areas pretty rutted. YMMV! I've ridden it 
> only once, in summer, and my problem was not bringing enough water, so plan 
> accordingly. It's only about 26 miles, but as you can see from RWGPS, it's 
> a pretty intense 26 miles! Don't let that scare you off, just be prepared. 
> You will be rewarded by some spectacular country.  You can probably fill 
> water bottles at the Whale Gulch School, just before you get to Four 
> Corners. After Four Corners, you'll be heading off into truly unpopulated 
> areas and are unlikely to find much water. (Filter what you do find!) Oh, 
> and if it is dust season (June-Sep), you may want to have a bandana around 
> your neck, ready to pull up over your mouth/nose for when cars (very 
> occasionally) pass. Ah, I just saw that you're thinking of April, so dust 
> will not likely be an issue, but rain may be; you'll be riding through one 
> of the wettest regions in the whole state! ;-)  
> https://www.eldoradoweather.com/calprecip-full-size.html
> Have a great ride, and I look forward to your ride report...
> cheers,
> Andrew, from Whale Gulch; now in Sydney
>
> [image: Inline image]
> (Image from Google Street View at Four Corners)
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 07:39:01 AM GMT+11, Stephen <
> cavell@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hey All,
>
> This week I've been fantasizing about a tour route from Eureka to SF that 
> follows the PCH but avoids riding on it as much as possible (within 
> reason). So I've been playing around in rwgps and Gaia Gps maps to make 
> some route drafts, trying to stay close to the coast but choosing alternate 
> roads and dirt roads as much as possible to avoid traffic. 
>
> For the beginning of the route I used part of a Lost Coast tour route that 
> ends and begins in Eureka. As for the end, I've done a fair bit of riding 
> in Marin and have familiarity with the roads and trails up to Sir Francis 
> Drake Road. Will probably make two different route endings, one for east 
> bay and one for SF. (the route draft I have now is for eastbay) 
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the list had experience in the other areas up 
> the coast, or has done a similar ride, or been on any of the roads I've 
> routed or had recommendations? Sometimes you see a road on a map and in 
> reality its private access or washed away. Would appreciate any thoughts or 
> feedback or anybody who wants to nerd out on maps and routemaking.
>
> Playing with the idea of riding this on my appaloosa in April.
>
> ROUTES:
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561107
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561484
>
> Let me know if theres trouble accessing those.
>
> Thanks!
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[James]

Hi Armand,
$40 shipped for the Nitto cage?  to 28806

James

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