Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Philip Williamson]

I only know Rule #8 and Rule #5 by heart, and I flout them both.
Except when I don’t.

Philip (surprisingly matchy-matchy on #8) in Sonoma County

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:24:15 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Adam,

I meant to add that prices on digital micrometers seem to have gone down 
over time. I replaced my old "analog" PITA micrometer on Amazon for 
twenty-five bucks. I would not go for the cheapest though. I opted for one 
with an auto "OFF" setting so you won't burn the battery out when you set 
it down and forget it.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:55:25 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Adam,
>
> Just saying . If you like the paint job on your bike, be mindful when 
> applying muscle to the BB remover tool. You'll be using a heavy-ish 
> adjustable wrench. So, adjust it so it's snug. It's pretty easy to have 
> that tool come out and the wrench can chip the vulnerable BB shell paint 
> edge. Ask me how I know.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>
>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>
>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>> is my first attempt.
>>
>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>
>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Adam,

Just saying . If you like the paint job on your bike, be mindful when 
applying muscle to the BB remover tool. You'll be using a heavy-ish 
adjustable wrench. So, adjust it so it's snug. It's pretty easy to have 
that tool come out and the wrench can chip the vulnerable BB shell paint 
edge. Ask me how I know.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>
> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at the 
> price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>
> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
> is my first attempt.
>
> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. I 
> have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have either 
> a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know is to 
> remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter spindle on 
> their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>
> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks, Nitto, White Ind, etc. Parts

[EGNolan]

*UPDATES*

*FRAMES:*
*Trek Elance 400* - 21.5x22" - Reynolds 531, has had chainstays dimpled to 
fit 650bx42's. (Have Mafac centerpulls or Tektro 559 available if needed 
for conversion) $125 + shipping
*Raleigh USA Technium PEAK* MTB - Aluminum front triangle, steel rear & 
fork. Beautiful unicrown fork, oddly elegant rear stay lug. In pretty great 
shape, oversized stem included. 19.5x22.5" Not highly sought after, but 
interesting frame from an interesting time. $125 + shipping

*(Recently added) Brakes:*
*Shimano LX M570* V-brake set (levers & arms) in limited gold & black 
colorway

*Stems: *
*Nitto Technomic* -10 x 26.0 SOLD
*Nitto Technomic* - 100 x 25.4 SOLD
*Nitto Technomic* - 60 x 26.0 $35
*Nitto Technomic* - 50 x 26.0 $35
*Nitto Pearl *- 100 x 26.0 pending
*Serotta* branded stem -  100 x 26.0 $30
*Nitto UI85EX threadless* - 100 x 25.4 SOLD

*Wheel Goods:*
*White Industries mi6* tandem to SunRims - 40h, 145mm spacing. Bombproof 
tandem 700c wheel w/ 6 bolt disc + rim brake rim. Rim never used for 
braking, in amazing shape. $225 + actual shipping
*Shimano LX* 135 8/9/10 speed hub - SOLD
*Formula 32h *135 disc hub Shimano/Sram body - $20

*Seatpost*:
*Campy NR Aero* (with bolt to fix original faulty one, looks crude, works 
better) SOLD

*Saddle:*
*Brooks B17* in greenish-grey w/ silver hardware (fitted, unusued)- SOLD

*Bags:*
*Baggins front rack bag* (well used/loved, but nice condition) - $50
*Acorn Mini Saddlebag* (used a handful of times) - $40
*Revelate Designs Mag-Tank *top tube bag - $30


*Handlebars:*
(Recently Added) Nitto Albastache bar 25.4 w/ Nitto 80cm Dirt Drop stem & 
Tektro road levers (can be separated if desired) $115
*Specialized Adventure drops* (can include attched Bontrager stem for free) 
42cm, 31.8 $50
*Nitto Moustache* - 26.0 $65
(not pictured, sorry): Nitto Albastache 25.4 $85
*Jones SG Loop ALuminum* - 31.8 silver (includes Jones camo bag pictured & 
linear pull levers, I can remove levers and tape if desired) - $85

*Rear Derailleurs:*
*NOS Suntour Cyclone* - $65
*Campy Chorus 9 speed* (with carbon)- $40
*Shimano LX* 667 - SOLD

*Misc:* 
*VIntage Silca Floor Pump* - comes with multiple heads, instructions (not 
in museum quality shape)- $75
*Surly Nice Front Rack* - $65 + shipping
*Campagnolo Chorus 9 speed Brifters* (rear doesn't shift well, perfect for 
brakes)-$25
*Shimano Tiagra Road levers* - missing parts - $15
*Shimano Tiagra MTB levers* - $20
*SRAM Apex 11 speed shifter* - $13
*Alivio 9 speed rear shifter *- $13

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 11:19:53 AM UTC-5 EGNolan wrote:

> Bill it's got the script *Pearl 10. *If you can venmo me @eric-nolan-fk & 
> include your address I'll get it out Monday.
>
> Eric
>
> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:55:34 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I'd take the Nitto Pearl 100.  Is it the kind that says "Pearl 10" on the 
>> side?  Or is it the newer variant that just says "Nitto" on the side?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:51:46 AM UTC-8 EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, purchase of a new-to-me Appaloosa means I've gotta get rid of 
>>> redundant and unused parts.
>>>
>>> I'm open to deals on multiple items if'n you want more than one thing.
>>>
>>> All prices include shipping to the lower 48 from Indianapolis unless 
>>> notes (wheel/frame may be more costly to certain parts of US). If you're 
>>> local, let's deal!
>>>
>>> Pics Here 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *FRAMES:*
>>> *Trek Elance 400* - 21.5x22" - Reynolds 531, has had chainstays dimpled 
>>> to fit 650bx42's. (Have Mafac centerpulls or Tektro 559 available if needed 
>>> for conversion) $125 + shipping
>>> *Raleigh USA Technium PEAK* MTB - Aluminum front triangle, steel rear & 
>>> fork. Beautiful unicrown fork, oddly elegant rear stay lug. In pretty great 
>>> shape, oversized stem included. 19.5x22.5" Not highly sought after, but 
>>> interesting frame from an interesting time. $125 + shipping
>>>
>>> *Stems: *
>>> *Nitto Technomic* -10 x 26.0 $35
>>> *Nitto Technomic* - 100 x 25.4 $35
>>> *Nitto Technomic* - 60 x 26.0 $35
>>> *Nitto Technomic* - 50 x 26.0 $35
>>> *Nitto Pearl *- 100 x 26.0 $35
>>> *Serotta* branded stem -  100 x 26.0 $30
>>> *Nitto UI85EX threadless* - 100 x 25.4 $35
>>>
>>> *Wheel Goods:*
>>> *White Industries mi6* tandem to SunRims - 40h, 145mm spacing. 
>>> Bombproof tandem wheel w/ 6 bolt disc + rim brake rim. Rim never used for 
>>> braking, in amazing shape. $225 + actual shipping
>>> *Shimano LX* 135 8/9/10 speed hub - $20
>>> *Formula *135 disc hub Shimano/Sram body - $20
>>>
>>> *Seatpost*:
>>> *Campy NR Aero* (with bolt to fix original faulty one, looks crude, 
>>> works better) $35
>>>
>>> *Saddle:*
>>> *Brooks B17* in greenish-grey w/ silver hardware (fitted, unusued)- $90
>>>
>>> *Bags:*
>>> *Baggins front rack bag* (well used/loved, but nice condition) - $50
>>> *Acorn Mini Saddlebag* (used a handful of times) 

[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Clem H complete with extras

[TP H]

Bike sold

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 10:09:07 AM UTC-8 TP H wrote:

> Hi folks, I'm selling my awesome Clem to make room for the ever-expanding 
> universe that is twin girls, now 15 months and counting.  Below is a link 
> to the Craigslist post.  If you want it shipped, I'm willing to split the 
> cost for it to be boxed up, and I'll drop the price 10% so you can arrange 
> shipping.  Thanks, Tyler!
>
>
> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7710085211.html
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 59cm Clem H "Hillibike" with Jones, Thomson, Shimano XT, etc.

[luckyturnip]

Dang what a great deal, cheers fellow Sacramentan. (If you part it out I am interested in the stem-Liz) On Feb 17, 2024, at 12:39, Jeremy Till  wrote:I've got some exciting adventures on the horizon that would be best suited to having a slightly different bike in my stable, so I've decided to part ways (amicably) with my first-gen (2016) 59cm Clem Smith Jr, in the no-longer-available "H-type." This has been a great bike that I've really enjoyed riding, but I don't do it enough and I'm excited to pass it on to someone who will enjoy it.  Not to toot my own horn, but I was riding hillibikes before they were cool, or at least before Grant had thought up the term. When I bought this in 2016, I was mountain biking a lot and built this up from the start as a rim brake mountain bike, using things like wide, tubeless compatible rims, strong V-brakes, and trigger shifters. When VO brought out their 31.8mm quill stem in 2017 it got 710mm Jones Loop bars, which really tied the whole thing together, and that has been the basic setup with relatively minor modifications since then. Overall it's in good shape, never been crashed (that I can remember), and I've proactively replaced consumable parts before they've worn out. There's a couple of places where the green paint has chipped exposing the white primer below. Pictures are here. The build: Frame/fork: 59cm Clem H, Green. Geometry hereHeadset: FSA DuronWheels: Prototype Rivendell "Silver" hubs, laced to Velocity Cliffhangers (700c/29") with 36 double butted spokes each. Currently running ~1 year old Specialized Fast Trak 2.2" tires with tubes. Rims are tubeless compatible, but the rim tape is the original from when I built it up in 2016 so it could probably use a refresh if you are going to try to run them tubeless. Handlebars: Jones 710mm Loop H-Bar, butted aluminum, Jones Kraton grips Stem: Velo-Orange Removable Faceplate Quill Stem, 90mmSeatpost: Thomson Elite (zero setback)Saddle: Will come with a WTB Pure (pictured with WTB Deva), or will sell sans saddleBrake Levers: Shimano Deore "touring" (BL-T611)Brakes: Shimano XT v-brakesShifter: Shimano Sora 9spd Rapidfire w/ two-way releaseRear Derailleur: Shimano XT 9spd "Shadow" (RD-M772)(No front shifter or derailleur)Cranks: CODA-Branded Sugino 94/58mm BCD, 175mm, square taper w/ 36-22 Dimension 9spd alloy chainringsBottom Bracket: sealed cartridge unit, 107mm, I think it's a Tange?Pedals: Shimano Saint platform pedalsCassette: Shimano XT 9spd, 11-34Chain: SRAM PC 991Sale does not include the King Iris bottle cages pictured. Craigslist price is $1,600, happy to sell to a list member for $1,400. I'm in Sacramento, CA and would prefer a local sale, but if you're elsewhere and are willing to pay for boxing and shipping, let me know. -Jeremy Till



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[RBW] FS: 59cm Clem H "Hillibike" with Jones, Thomson, Shimano XT, etc.

[Jeremy Till]

I've got some exciting adventures on the horizon that would be best suited 
to having a slightly different bike in my stable, so I've decided to part 
ways (amicably) with my first-gen (2016) 59cm Clem Smith Jr, in the 
no-longer-available "H-type." This has been a great bike that I've really 
enjoyed riding, but I don't do it enough and I'm excited to pass it on to 
someone who will enjoy it.  

Not to toot my own horn, but I was riding hillibikes before they were cool, 
or at least before Grant had thought up the term. When I bought this in 
2016, I was mountain biking a lot and built this up from the start as a rim 
brake mountain bike, using things like wide, tubeless compatible rims, 
strong V-brakes, and trigger shifters. When VO brought out their 31.8mm 
quill stem in 2017 it got 710mm Jones Loop bars, which really tied the 
whole thing together, and that has been the basic setup with relatively 
minor modifications since then. 

Overall it's in good shape, never been crashed (that I can remember), and 
I've proactively replaced consumable parts before they've worn out. There's 
a couple of places where the green paint has chipped exposing the white 
primer below. Pictures are here . The build: 

Frame/fork: 59cm Clem H, Green. Geometry here 

Headset: FSA Duron
Wheels: Prototype Rivendell "Silver" hubs, laced to Velocity Cliffhangers 
(700c/29") with 36 double butted spokes each. Currently running ~1 year old 
Specialized Fast Trak 2.2" tires with tubes. Rims are tubeless compatible, 
but the rim tape is the original from when I built it up in 2016 so it 
could probably use a refresh if you are going to try to run them tubeless. 
Handlebars: Jones 710mm Loop H-Bar, butted aluminum, Jones Kraton grips 
Stem: Velo-Orange Removable Faceplate Quill Stem, 90mm
Seatpost: Thomson Elite (zero setback)
Saddle: Will come with a WTB Pure (pictured with WTB Deva), or will sell 
sans saddle
Brake Levers: Shimano Deore "touring" (BL-T611)
Brakes: Shimano XT v-brakes
Shifter: Shimano Sora 9spd Rapidfire w/ two-way release
Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT 9spd "Shadow" (RD-M772)
(No front shifter or derailleur)
Cranks: CODA-Branded Sugino 94/58mm BCD, 175mm, square taper w/ 36-22 
Dimension 9spd alloy chainrings
Bottom Bracket: sealed cartridge unit, 107mm, I think it's a Tange?
Pedals: Shimano Saint platform pedals
Cassette: Shimano XT 9spd, 11-34
Chain: SRAM PC 991

Sale does not include the King Iris bottle cages pictured. 

Craigslist price is $1,600, happy to sell to a list member for $1,400. I'm 
in Sacramento, CA and would prefer a local sale, but if you're elsewhere 
and are willing to pay for boxing and shipping, let me know. 

-Jeremy Till

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[John Bokman]

Ted, thanks for that handy tip concerning fit. My Sam fits just how you 
describe: Elbow at saddle nose, fingertips just brushing the bars. I'd 
never measured this way before, but knew immediately when I swapped a 7 cm 
stem from the original 10cm stem that it was a vast improvement. I'd always 
felt that my other bike (not a riv) was just a tad too long, also. By 
employing your method, I have since shortened the stem (7cm from 9cm). 
Noticeable improvement for me.

John
On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:42:40 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. 
>
>
> Yup, that is a beautiful bike! I know the feeling of being too stretched 
> out, even as someone who is naturally quite flexible and likes to ride in a 
> pretty low back position. My Sams are set up with a shorter reach than my 
> other bikes and I have found I like it. Contrary to the others and to 
> "conventional wisdom", I have not found saddle fore-aft position to be so 
> critical that I have to nail it to the mm. I am comfortable and feel 
> similarly powerful over a range of 15-20mm. My Sams have much shallower 
> seat tube angles than my other bikes, and I have the saddles pushed forward 
> a bit, but not a lot. Like a couple of other posters, I wouldn't hesitate 
> to go to an 8 or even 7cm stem to get the reach that you like. I use my 
> personal cubit to judge reach - put your elbow against the front of the 
> saddle and see where your finger tips lie relative to the handlebars. Most 
> my bikes have the bars about 20mm ahead of my fingers. On my Sams my 
> fingers just touch the bars.
>
> As others have pointed out, Noodle bars have a pretty good reach. In 
> addition, the TRP brake lever hoods are looong. The combined effect is 
> quite a bit of extra reach. I very much like having lots of reach and drop 
> on the bars so my position varies a lot as I move my hands. But it does 
> mean you need a shorter stem so the on-the-hoods position feels neutral.
>
> Ted Durant
>
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: 61cm Bleriot

[Jacob Tobey]

Sale is pending. Thanks for the interest!

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 10:49:25 PM UTC-8 Jacob Tobey wrote:

> [image: DSCF1170.JPG]
> Hey all,
>
> I've got a case of the mid winter stable shake ups, so I'm putting my 
> Bleriot up for sale. This is by far the most detailed and curated bike i've 
> owned, and I put a TON of time into the build before realizing that it 
> really overlaps with another bike I own... That said, it's hardly been 
> ridden and remains a fresh, low miles build.
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/bik/d/edmonds-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7716578630.html
>
> Asking 2k + shipping as pictured, or 1k + shipping as a rolling chassis 
> (frame, 
> fork, headset & spacers, wheels and tires). Located in the Seattle area.
>
> I'm also open to trades. My dream Riv is a 61cm Atlantis 2 if anyone has 
> one sitting around and wants the change it up. Let me know!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[RichS]

Adam, you've already gotten plenty of good advice but I'll add this video 
of Mark at Riv installing a BB. Good on you for doing this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwjnZfNO1DE

Best of luck,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:46:33 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> If the BB spindle you're testing out is too short yes, a chainring with 
> hit the chainstay. If you slide it on and there's no resistance as the ring 
> gets close..STOP. Not gonna work, pull the crank back and prepare to pull 
> that BB and get a longer one in there. 
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:53:49 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of the tips.
>>
>> I appreciate the acknowledgement of the STAND. I do not have one and 
>> there's no chance of finding room for one in my apt. Someday that will 
>> change . . .
>>
>> I'm not sure what a crank bolt washer looks like? Maybe I'll know when I 
>> see it. I'm assuming it would be under the initial bolt--revealed when I 
>> remove that? And I gather that I should be aware that the small ring may 
>> hit the chainstays as I'm putting on the new crank? Good to know.
>>
>> It will be a bit before I get the cranks and have time to work, but I'll 
>> post back here with the result. Maybe useful for anyone with a Sam that 
>> wants to try a 115mm bb with VO cranks.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 5:00:46 PM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>>
>>> Also, if you do end up removing the BB, the drive side is 
>>> reverse-threaded, so lefty-tighty, righty-loosey.
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-6 Drurad (Sacramento) 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I second the disclaimer to check for washer prior to using crank 
 puller.  

 -Andrew

 On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Shoji Takahashi  
 wrote:

> Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put 
> on the crank puller!
>
> good luck,
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  
>>
>> Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held 
>> in a proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing 
>> it 
>> on the ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the 
>> barrier.  There is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a 
>> bike without a work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's 
>> always 
>> harder.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical 
>>> maneuvers, and has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means 
>>> go 
>>> for it.  
>>>
>>> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need 
>>> are:
>>>
>>> -pedal wrench
>>> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
>>> socket, maybe both
>>> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank 
>>> puller
>>>
>>> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and 
>>> test fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap 
>>> caliper 
>>> would be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring 
>>> will 
>>> hit the frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already 
>>> crashed your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  
>>> Aside 
>>> from that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm 
>>> would be a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>>>
>>> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  
>>> In some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an 
>>> issue.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my 
 Hillborne.

 I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option 
 at the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the 
 road.

 A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and 
 this is my first attempt.

 I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 
 118mm BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I 
 currently 
 have either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way 
 to 
 know is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a 
 shorter 
 spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?

 My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks 

[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks, Nitto, White Ind, etc. Parts

[EGNolan]

Bill it's got the script *Pearl 10. *If you can venmo me @eric-nolan-fk & 
include your address I'll get it out Monday.

Eric

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:55:34 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'd take the Nitto Pearl 100.  Is it the kind that says "Pearl 10" on the 
> side?  Or is it the newer variant that just says "Nitto" on the side?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:51:46 AM UTC-8 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> Hi all, purchase of a new-to-me Appaloosa means I've gotta get rid of 
>> redundant and unused parts.
>>
>> I'm open to deals on multiple items if'n you want more than one thing.
>>
>> All prices include shipping to the lower 48 from Indianapolis unless 
>> notes (wheel/frame may be more costly to certain parts of US). If you're 
>> local, let's deal!
>>
>> Pics Here 
>> 
>>
>> *FRAMES:*
>> *Trek Elance 400* - 21.5x22" - Reynolds 531, has had chainstays dimpled 
>> to fit 650bx42's. (Have Mafac centerpulls or Tektro 559 available if needed 
>> for conversion) $125 + shipping
>> *Raleigh USA Technium PEAK* MTB - Aluminum front triangle, steel rear & 
>> fork. Beautiful unicrown fork, oddly elegant rear stay lug. In pretty great 
>> shape, oversized stem included. 19.5x22.5" Not highly sought after, but 
>> interesting frame from an interesting time. $125 + shipping
>>
>> *Stems: *
>> *Nitto Technomic* -10 x 26.0 $35
>> *Nitto Technomic* - 100 x 25.4 $35
>> *Nitto Technomic* - 60 x 26.0 $35
>> *Nitto Technomic* - 50 x 26.0 $35
>> *Nitto Pearl *- 100 x 26.0 $35
>> *Serotta* branded stem -  100 x 26.0 $30
>> *Nitto UI85EX threadless* - 100 x 25.4 $35
>>
>> *Wheel Goods:*
>> *White Industries mi6* tandem to SunRims - 40h, 145mm spacing. Bombproof 
>> tandem wheel w/ 6 bolt disc + rim brake rim. Rim never used for braking, in 
>> amazing shape. $225 + actual shipping
>> *Shimano LX* 135 8/9/10 speed hub - $20
>> *Formula *135 disc hub Shimano/Sram body - $20
>>
>> *Seatpost*:
>> *Campy NR Aero* (with bolt to fix original faulty one, looks crude, 
>> works better) $35
>>
>> *Saddle:*
>> *Brooks B17* in greenish-grey w/ silver hardware (fitted, unusued)- $90
>>
>> *Bags:*
>> *Baggins front rack bag* (well used/loved, but nice condition) - $50
>> *Acorn Mini Saddlebag* (used a handful of times) - $40
>> *Revelate Designs Mag-Tank *top tube bag - $30
>>
>>
>> *Handlebars:*
>> *Specialized Adventure drops* (can include attched Bontrager stem for 
>> free) 42cm, 31.8 $50
>> *Nitto Moustache* - 26.0 $65
>> (not pictured, sorry): Nitto Albastache 25.4 $85
>> *Jones SG Loop ALuminum* - 31.8 silver (includes Jones camo bag pictured 
>> & linear pull levers, I can remove levers and tape if desired) - $85
>>
>> *Rear Derailleurs:*
>> *NOS Suntour Cyclone* - $65
>> *Campy Chorus 9 speed* (with carbon)- $40
>> *Shimano LX* 667 - $18
>>
>> *Misc:* 
>> *VIntage Silca Floor Pump* - comes with multiple heads, instructions 
>> (not in museum quality shape)- $75
>> *Surly Big Front Rack* - $65 + shipping
>> *Campagnolo Chorus 9 speed Brifters* (rear doesn't shift well, perfect 
>> for brakes)-$25
>> *Shimano Tiagra Road levers* - missing parts - $15
>> *Shimano Tiagra MTB levers* - $20
>> *SRAM Apex 11 speed shifter* - $13
>> *Alivio 9 speed rear shifter *- $13
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks, Nitto, White Ind, etc. Parts

[Bill Lindsay]

I'd take the Nitto Pearl 100.  Is it the kind that says "Pearl 10" on the 
side?  Or is it the newer variant that just says "Nitto" on the side?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:51:46 AM UTC-8 EGNolan wrote:

> Hi all, purchase of a new-to-me Appaloosa means I've gotta get rid of 
> redundant and unused parts.
>
> I'm open to deals on multiple items if'n you want more than one thing.
>
> All prices include shipping to the lower 48 from Indianapolis unless notes 
> (wheel/frame may be more costly to certain parts of US). If you're local, 
> let's deal!
>
> Pics Here 
> 
>
> *FRAMES:*
> *Trek Elance 400* - 21.5x22" - Reynolds 531, has had chainstays dimpled 
> to fit 650bx42's. (Have Mafac centerpulls or Tektro 559 available if needed 
> for conversion) $125 + shipping
> *Raleigh USA Technium PEAK* MTB - Aluminum front triangle, steel rear & 
> fork. Beautiful unicrown fork, oddly elegant rear stay lug. In pretty great 
> shape, oversized stem included. 19.5x22.5" Not highly sought after, but 
> interesting frame from an interesting time. $125 + shipping
>
> *Stems: *
> *Nitto Technomic* -10 x 26.0 $35
> *Nitto Technomic* - 100 x 25.4 $35
> *Nitto Technomic* - 60 x 26.0 $35
> *Nitto Technomic* - 50 x 26.0 $35
> *Nitto Pearl *- 100 x 26.0 $35
> *Serotta* branded stem -  100 x 26.0 $30
> *Nitto UI85EX threadless* - 100 x 25.4 $35
>
> *Wheel Goods:*
> *White Industries mi6* tandem to SunRims - 40h, 145mm spacing. Bombproof 
> tandem wheel w/ 6 bolt disc + rim brake rim. Rim never used for braking, in 
> amazing shape. $225 + actual shipping
> *Shimano LX* 135 8/9/10 speed hub - $20
> *Formula *135 disc hub Shimano/Sram body - $20
>
> *Seatpost*:
> *Campy NR Aero* (with bolt to fix original faulty one, looks crude, works 
> better) $35
>
> *Saddle:*
> *Brooks B17* in greenish-grey w/ silver hardware (fitted, unusued)- $90
>
> *Bags:*
> *Baggins front rack bag* (well used/loved, but nice condition) - $50
> *Acorn Mini Saddlebag* (used a handful of times) - $40
> *Revelate Designs Mag-Tank *top tube bag - $30
>
>
> *Handlebars:*
> *Specialized Adventure drops* (can include attched Bontrager stem for 
> free) 42cm, 31.8 $50
> *Nitto Moustache* - 26.0 $65
> (not pictured, sorry): Nitto Albastache 25.4 $85
> *Jones SG Loop ALuminum* - 31.8 silver (includes Jones camo bag pictured 
> & linear pull levers, I can remove levers and tape if desired) - $85
>
> *Rear Derailleurs:*
> *NOS Suntour Cyclone* - $65
> *Campy Chorus 9 speed* (with carbon)- $40
> *Shimano LX* 667 - $18
>
> *Misc:* 
> *VIntage Silca Floor Pump* - comes with multiple heads, instructions (not 
> in museum quality shape)- $75
> *Surly Big Front Rack* - $65 + shipping
> *Campagnolo Chorus 9 speed Brifters* (rear doesn't shift well, perfect 
> for brakes)-$25
> *Shimano Tiagra Road levers* - missing parts - $15
> *Shimano Tiagra MTB levers* - $20
> *SRAM Apex 11 speed shifter* - $13
> *Alivio 9 speed rear shifter *- $13
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks, Nitto, White Ind, etc. Parts

[EGNolan]

Hi all, purchase of a new-to-me Appaloosa means I've gotta get rid of 
redundant and unused parts.

I'm open to deals on multiple items if'n you want more than one thing.

All prices include shipping to the lower 48 from Indianapolis unless notes 
(wheel/frame may be more costly to certain parts of US). If you're local, 
let's deal!

Pics Here 


*FRAMES:*
*Trek Elance 400* - 21.5x22" - Reynolds 531, has had chainstays dimpled to 
fit 650bx42's. (Have Mafac centerpulls or Tektro 559 available if needed 
for conversion) $125 + shipping
*Raleigh USA Technium PEAK* MTB - Aluminum front triangle, steel rear & 
fork. Beautiful unicrown fork, oddly elegant rear stay lug. In pretty great 
shape, oversized stem included. 19.5x22.5" Not highly sought after, but 
interesting frame from an interesting time. $125 + shipping

*Stems: *
*Nitto Technomic* -10 x 26.0 $35
*Nitto Technomic* - 100 x 25.4 $35
*Nitto Technomic* - 60 x 26.0 $35
*Nitto Technomic* - 50 x 26.0 $35
*Nitto Pearl *- 100 x 26.0 $35
*Serotta* branded stem -  100 x 26.0 $30
*Nitto UI85EX threadless* - 100 x 25.4 $35

*Wheel Goods:*
*White Industries mi6* tandem to SunRims - 40h, 145mm spacing. Bombproof 
tandem wheel w/ 6 bolt disc + rim brake rim. Rim never used for braking, in 
amazing shape. $225 + actual shipping
*Shimano LX* 135 8/9/10 speed hub - $20
*Formula *135 disc hub Shimano/Sram body - $20

*Seatpost*:
*Campy NR Aero* (with bolt to fix original faulty one, looks crude, works 
better) $35

*Saddle:*
*Brooks B17* in greenish-grey w/ silver hardware (fitted, unusued)- $90

*Bags:*
*Baggins front rack bag* (well used/loved, but nice condition) - $50
*Acorn Mini Saddlebag* (used a handful of times) - $40
*Revelate Designs Mag-Tank *top tube bag - $30


*Handlebars:*
*Specialized Adventure drops* (can include attched Bontrager stem for free) 
42cm, 31.8 $50
*Nitto Moustache* - 26.0 $65
(not pictured, sorry): Nitto Albastache 25.4 $85
*Jones SG Loop ALuminum* - 31.8 silver (includes Jones camo bag pictured & 
linear pull levers, I can remove levers and tape if desired) - $85

*Rear Derailleurs:*
*NOS Suntour Cyclone* - $65
*Campy Chorus 9 speed* (with carbon)- $40
*Shimano LX* 667 - $18

*Misc:* 
*VIntage Silca Floor Pump* - comes with multiple heads, instructions (not 
in museum quality shape)- $75
*Surly Big Front Rack* - $65 + shipping
*Campagnolo Chorus 9 speed Brifters* (rear doesn't shift well, perfect for 
brakes)-$25
*Shimano Tiagra Road levers* - missing parts - $15
*Shimano Tiagra MTB levers* - $20
*SRAM Apex 11 speed shifter* - $13
*Alivio 9 speed rear shifter *- $13


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1983 Trek 720 FS, not by me, $299, NYC

[Patrick Moore]

I hope you get some bites.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 5:13 AM alan lavine  wrote:

> Thanks, Patrick. I wasn't sure it would "qualify".
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:11:40 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Posted on iBob; seller said it's alright to post here; I figure that my
>> long-time presence on the list and the nature of the bike (long stays, I
>> think!) make it acceptable and I think listers will be interested.
>>
>> *Not mine:* please contact the owner directly: alan lavine <
>> ciga...@gmail.com>
>>
>> On 2/14/24 03:53, alan lavine wrote:
>> $299 anybody??
>> Alan NYC
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:47:17 AM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
>> Reduced to $325.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 5:38:26 PM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Up for sale is this classic touring frame, thought to be one of the best
>> ever. The frame itself is fine, but the paint sucks from previous touch up
>> attempts. It rides fine as is, though aesthetically poor.
>> The headset is stronglight but may need repacking. ST 60 cm, TT 57 cm,
>> both c-c.
>> I’m sure the members of this group know what this is but here is the CL
>> anyway:
>> newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-fs-vintage-touring-trek-720/7715824985.html
>>
>> Prefer local for now, but we’ll see how it goes.
>> Thanks,
>> Alan NYC
>>
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[RBW] Re: 1983 Trek 720 FS, not by me, $299, NYC

[alan lavine]

Thanks, Patrick. I wasn't sure it would "qualify".

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:11:40 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Posted on iBob; seller said it's alright to post here; I figure that my 
> long-time presence on the list and the nature of the bike (long stays, I 
> think!) make it acceptable and I think listers will be interested.
>
> *Not mine:* please contact the owner directly: alan lavine <
> ciga...@gmail.com>
>
> On 2/14/24 03:53, alan lavine wrote:
> $299 anybody??
> Alan NYC
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:47:17 AM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
> Reduced to $325.
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 5:38:26 PM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
> Hi All,
> Up for sale is this classic touring frame, thought to be one of the best 
> ever. The frame itself is fine, but the paint sucks from previous touch up 
> attempts. It rides fine as is, though aesthetically poor.
> The headset is stronglight but may need repacking. ST 60 cm, TT 57 cm, 
> both c-c. 
> I’m sure the members of this group know what this is but here is the CL 
> anyway: 
> newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-fs-vintage-touring-trek-720/7715824985.html
>
> Prefer local for now, but we’ll see how it goes.
> Thanks,
> Alan NYC
>

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