Re: [RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[Kim H.]

@Igor -
I have a couple of Terry women's saddles that are lightly used to sell, if 
you are interested for your lady friend.

https://www.terrybicycles.com/Cite-X-Gel-Italia

https://www.terrybicycles.com/Liberator-X

Contact me off this group for more details and pictures.

Kim Hetzel. 

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 7:52:34 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:

> A lot of nice bars to choose from. That said, the Bosco is perfect. The 
> extra rise is great as it results in less stem exposed than with the Tosco. 
> I suggest one of the three FacePlater stems makes life so much easier & the 
> older tig welded one is currently on sale, I think. But, without the frame 
> & handlebar at hand it’s guesswork at best regarding stem length. I am 
> 5’10”, ride a 52 Clem with Bosco & 135 FacePlater. I do not know how much 
> shorter the reach is on the 45, but I would guess a stem closer to 70-80? 
> Call Riv & ask them, they give excellent advice. Or, try to get your hands 
> n a few different (cheap) stems to try?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 4, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Igor  wrote:
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> Any suggestions or ways to "know" what stem or bars to use? Not sure 
> where to begin. 
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[RBW] Rivendell style

[Patrick Moore]

For those of you too refined to read Bike Snob regularly, you might want to
make an exception for today's (Thursday's) post for Rivendell build canons
and style rules. Video included of new Riv owner anxious about acceptance
in the Rivendell World. [35-year-old narrator needs training in public
speaking.] [Recall when a schtick about Calvin's ~35-year-old father was
his mid-30s decrepitude and the absurdity of a middle-aged man riding a
bicycle in the wind, rain, and snow. "Time just gets away from us."]

This was fun:

And finally, your Rivendell bicycle should feature a highly improvisational
handlebar treatment:

Basically it’s like the Velominati on acid.

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Re: [RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[Richard Rose]

A lot of nice bars to choose from. That said, the Bosco is perfect. The extra rise is great as it results in less stem exposed than with the Tosco. I suggest one of the three FacePlater stems makes life so much easier & the older tig welded one is currently on sale, I think. But, without the frame & handlebar at hand it’s guesswork at best regarding stem length. I am 5’10”, ride a 52 Clem with Bosco & 135 FacePlater. I do not know how much shorter the reach is on the 45, but I would guess a stem closer to 70-80? Call Riv & ask them, they give excellent advice. Or, try to get your hands n a few different (cheap) stems to try?Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 4, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Igor  wrote:Any suggestions or ways to "know" what stem or bars to use? Not sure where to begin.



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[RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[Igor]

Any suggestions or ways to "know" what stem or bars to use? Not sure where 
to begin.

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[RBW] ISO Carradice Zip Roll or similar in size and quality, black, red, green

[Patrick Moore]

The black and green are $59+ change at Carradice but now it costs over $21
for shipping such a small item.

Looking for a good quality Zip Roll, *not tweed!!!* -- for sale or trade.
Any color but no damned tweed.

Open to similar design and similar size bags by other makers.

Please reply offlist.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Patrick Moore]

Here's one benefit of very long chainstays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xXRjXv_4v0

You couldn't do that on any of my road Rivs or my Sam.

Patrick Moore, who used to use his right foot to brake the 24" front wheel
in 28"-wheel fork on his very first build when riding the fw bike without
other brakes in heavy traffic and down steep, winding hills on traffic
arteries.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Shimano Bar Ends, XTR Rear Derailleur, 600 tricolor brake levers

[Eliot Balogh]

Bar ends, crankset, pedals and FD sold.

Rear D and dyno setup pending

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 1:43 PM Eliot B  wrote:

> Cleaning out the parts bin. All prices are shipped and include paypal fees.
>
> Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar End Shifters (can also substitute 8 speed levers if
> you prefer) - $60
> Shimano 600 (ultegra) tri- color brake levers (note the trim part does not
> match) $20
> XTR m952 Rear Derailleur - $80
> FSA SLK silver canti brakeset $80
> Dura Ace 7700 130 bcd silver crankset $45
> IRD alpina triple or sub compact front derailleur $50
> Shimano PD-A600 pedals (logos are worn) $50
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> Might be open to selling a SonDelux/Mavic Open Pro wheel with three lights
> and tail light.
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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Andy

Thanks for posting the U Factor article.  It was good to read it and 
understand the thinking.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 8:49:10 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> The U Factor 
> 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Bill Lindsay]

I admire how the entire build hinges on a rear derailleur that looks good, 
first and foremost, and everything else will fall into place after that. 
 ;-)

BL

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 12:59:37 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 9:54:49 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Even OLD is TBD?
>
>
> Yes, but I don’t have any specific requirements there. I don’t expect 
> chainring clearance or chain deflection issues to cause me to lean in a 
> particular direction. However, availability of compatible  components will 
> be a factor.
>
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> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 9:54:49 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

Even OLD is TBD?


Yes, but I don’t have any specific requirements there. I don’t expect 
chainring clearance or chain deflection issues to cause me to lean in a 
particular direction. However, availability of compatible  components will 
be a factor.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 4:29:06 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

 I can confirm that a Vx GT and a Cyclone MkII GT will cover 9 -11 cog 
cassettes. In fact, a Cyclone MkII GT executes flawless index shifting on a 
9-speed 12-36 cassette using Shimano 10-speed bar end shifters.


After more experimentation I have to retract that. The Cyclone MkII GT 
covers 9, but 10 is just a bit too far. In theory it’s less than 1mm extra 
distance. In practice, it probably depends on the specific cassette and 
where that innermost cog lies relative to the face of the derailer hanger. 
 On a VO hub with a Shimano HG body, on my Terraferma, a Shimano 9-sp 12-36 
worked okay, but a Shimano 10-sp 12-28 requires just a bit more sweep.

And I had trouble getting a new Silver (1) shifter to hold its position 
during the test. Beeswax or Loctite might have helped.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] how wide of wheels and tires will a specialized seqoia handle

[Mark R.]

[image: IMG_0295.jpeg]Plenty of room. That’s an 84, with Specialized tires 
marked 28 but measured 23. I ran true 32s


Mark R
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 7:55:27 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hey Bo,
>
> I had a later Sequoia (most likely an '85) that could also comfortably fit 
> the Soma Supple Vitesse 700c X 33's,  and looks like you could probably 
> squeeze in a 35. Probably 28's are the widest you could run and still fit 
> fenders. I also converted it to 650b for a while, and I was able to fit 
> Schwalbe G-Ones which measured just over 40mm wide. 
>
> ~Mark
> Kailua, HI
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> On Apr 3, 2024, at 08:09, bo richardson  wrote:
>
> there is a steel sequoia I am looking at remotely.
>
> the tires on it say 23mm and look narrow as knife blades
> there doesn't seem to be a lot of room beyond that 
> for wider wheels and tires.
>
> I bet there are 20 people on the list with experience 
> with this situation
>
> is the sequoia a good solution for someone hoping for
> 32s or at least 28s?
>
> fenders would be too much to hope for?
>
> thanks for the expertise
>
> Bo 
> Bellingham
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Re: [RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Victor Hanson]

None whatsoever.

First you have to take into consideration the whole frame design!  Builders
like Pino Moroni liked that the rear wheel did not move in fast skittish
situations, especially downhill.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 5:49 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> The U Factor
> 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?",
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[EGNolan]

The U Factor article explains the premise perfectly. The major change since 
that writing has been Riv having access to/getting longer and longer 
chainstays made. I'm glad they've pushed it to the point where we can see 
the actual downsides rather than just the theoretical: It's difficult in a 
city to fit some of the longer stay bikes on a bus, it's hard to get them 
up the stairs, etc., but those aren't constraints for many others and the 
upsides outweigh the down. I love my late 90's Riv Road with long stays for 
a road bike of the time, but short compared to a Clem or similar. I also 
love my Appaloosa (and my Cheviot before it) that has insanely long stays, 
but is comfortable, feels nimble and still allows me to ride all the trails 
I'd ride any rigid bike on. Ride all the bikes you can and love them for 
what they are (or not!).

Eric

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 8:49:10 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> The U Factor 
> 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
>> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
>> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
>> upright riding
>> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>>
>> I'll just note 2 'facts'
>> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
>> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
>> long stays.
>> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
>> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
>> solutions to actual problems.
>>
>> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
>> using long chain stays*
>> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
>> Or do they solve a real problem???
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
>> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[ascpgh]

The U Factor 


Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
> upright riding
> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>
> I'll just note 2 'facts'
> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
> long stays.
> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
> solutions to actual problems.
>
> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
> using long chain stays*
> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
> Or do they solve a real problem???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>

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