Re: [RBW] Re: Here is a frame I purchased from Brodie Bicycles and the color was stated as "sea foam green". The color would be light blue to the eye but it would take on a greenish tint in the bright

[Joel Stern]

A custom color offered by Fender in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s.  They used the 
DuPont paint that GM was using on their cars. 

On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 5:47:25 AM UTC-5 Addison wrote:

> I always think of sea foam green as coming from the guitar world.  Is it 
> green or blue?  :) 
>
>
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> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:10 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> And it's even worse for me because I'm a little colorblind with the 
>> blue-ish greens and green-ish blues. If I owned that bike and someone asked 
>> me if it was blue or green the answer would be SURE! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 5:44:23 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with others that the "blue silver" is as green as it is blue. It 
>>> lands squarely between the two, to my eyes - and I LOVE it. I'm actually 
>>> kind of interested in it as an option if I ever paint the Bombadil (due to 
>>> corrosion concerns) 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Joel Stern]

I know the 51cm stayed the same, not sure where the longer ones started.

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 6:46 PM Bones  wrote:

> In an email back in early September, Will mentioned that they have
> lengthened the chainstays on the newest Sams. The 60cm now has 48.5cm
> chainstays... which is pretty close to the 61.5 Homer (49cm). Tubing, tire
> clearance and brake type seem to be what sets them apart.
>
> Bones
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 6:16:04 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Sam shorter than Homer"
>>
>> My guess is it's an older design they've decided to leave alone for
>> buyers wary of the super-long stays of the newer models.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 12:36:42 PM UTC-8 Sean B. wrote:
>>
>>> Why do you think the chainstays on the Hillborne are shorter than the
>>> AHH? With the AHH being more of a roadish bike, I would imagine it would be
>>> opposite.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 10:35:49 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What I really like about Rivendell is that they do have a handful of
 frames that will work for you no matter what...and that there are little
 nuanced differences between Sam/Homer, Atlantis/Joe, etc... The differences
 in sizing between the two helps cover all pbh sizes...I'm a touch over
 93cm, so a Homer (which I was planning on getting until recently) is tough
 because I'd have more clearance than I need on a 61.5 , but might not have
 enough clearance on a 64. The Sam's most recent run had a 62cm frame that
 would be a perfect fit for me. Had I not just ordered an Atlantis the
 Tuesday before they released the garage sale frames, I would have snagged
 that 62cm orange Sam and would have got to keep using sidepull brakes.

 I agree that having Sam and Homer offer different braking makes
 sense...the Homer is less burly (according to Rivendell's catalog) so it
 makes sense that it takes the more traditional roadie brakes.


 On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 10:07:05 AM UTC-5 ted wrote:

> I'll guess the Sam has gone back to being canti because the Homer is
> now MIT also. Now costs are similar (same?), both have 6 deg top tubes,
> etc. May as well make the brakes different.
> I think choosing between a new Sam or Homer based on brake style
> preference would make a lot of sense.
> Of course I also think choosing based on preferred color, head badge,
> or name would make a lot of sense too.
>
> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 7:56:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> How the canti-Sam became a sidepull-Sam early on involves a guess on
>> my part based on more arcane Riv knowledge than I should probably admit 
>> to
>> harboring:
>>
>> Originally the Sam showed up as a canti MIT version of the
>> Toyo/Waterford Saluki/Homer caliper bike. I believe the caliper Ram was
>> still around at this time, too, so Riv was all full up on caliper road
>> bikes. Later the Ram went away and Homer kept getting more expensive so 
>> Sam
>> morphed into the caliper road/country "standard" Rivbike. Now things are
>> all different and I won't try to figure out why it's canti again, I've 
>> been
>> arcane enough!
>>
>> Joe "he knows too much, yet is so little help" Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 7:10:37 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> From an engineering perspective, what I appreciate about side-pull
>>> brakes is that all the clamping forces are contained within the brake
>>> itself, ie it does not exert any bending force on the fork/frame like a
>>> canti or v-brake does. Even the braking force goes to the crown of the 
>>> fork
>>> rather than the blades, so the fork blades can focus on other things. 
>>> That
>>> said, the tire clearance limitation is a problem if you like anything
>>> bigger than a 42c.
>>>
>>> Reminds me - James told me via email that the Charlie H Gallop is
>>> going to be side-pull rather than v-brake like the prototypes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 7:01 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
 New newer newest ...
 Standard oversised ...
 normal short long ...
 Traditional ...

 All relative terms whose meanings morph and evolve and the use of
 which may or may not make sense to one depending on how long you've 
 been
 paying attention.
 From where I sit the waterford AHH and atlantis were the last of
 the more "traditional" Riv designs, the break being 6 deg top tubes and
 more limited sizing.
 With the longer wheelbase MIT models its another leap from
 "traditional".
 Maybe it's because I grew up before mountain bikes, but to my eye
 side/center pull brakes are traditional while cantilevers (not to 
 mention V
 brakes) are new 

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Joel Stern]

Not sure but happy they are.  Very happy with the Sam.

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sean B.  wrote:

> Why do you think the chainstays on the Hillborne are shorter than the AHH?
> With the AHH being more of a roadish bike, I would imagine it would be
> opposite.
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 10:35:49 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What I really like about Rivendell is that they do have a handful of
>> frames that will work for you no matter what...and that there are little
>> nuanced differences between Sam/Homer, Atlantis/Joe, etc... The differences
>> in sizing between the two helps cover all pbh sizes...I'm a touch over
>> 93cm, so a Homer (which I was planning on getting until recently) is tough
>> because I'd have more clearance than I need on a 61.5 , but might not have
>> enough clearance on a 64. The Sam's most recent run had a 62cm frame that
>> would be a perfect fit for me. Had I not just ordered an Atlantis the
>> Tuesday before they released the garage sale frames, I would have snagged
>> that 62cm orange Sam and would have got to keep using sidepull brakes.
>>
>> I agree that having Sam and Homer offer different braking makes
>> sense...the Homer is less burly (according to Rivendell's catalog) so it
>> makes sense that it takes the more traditional roadie brakes.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 10:07:05 AM UTC-5 ted wrote:
>>
>>> I'll guess the Sam has gone back to being canti because the Homer is now
>>> MIT also. Now costs are similar (same?), both have 6 deg top tubes, etc.
>>> May as well make the brakes different.
>>> I think choosing between a new Sam or Homer based on brake style
>>> preference would make a lot of sense.
>>> Of course I also think choosing based on preferred color, head badge, or
>>> name would make a lot of sense too.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 7:56:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 How the canti-Sam became a sidepull-Sam early on involves a guess on my
 part based on more arcane Riv knowledge than I should probably admit to
 harboring:

 Originally the Sam showed up as a canti MIT version of the
 Toyo/Waterford Saluki/Homer caliper bike. I believe the caliper Ram was
 still around at this time, too, so Riv was all full up on caliper road
 bikes. Later the Ram went away and Homer kept getting more expensive so Sam
 morphed into the caliper road/country "standard" Rivbike. Now things are
 all different and I won't try to figure out why it's canti again, I've been
 arcane enough!

 Joe "he knows too much, yet is so little help" Bernard

 On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 7:10:37 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> From an engineering perspective, what I appreciate about side-pull
> brakes is that all the clamping forces are contained within the brake
> itself, ie it does not exert any bending force on the fork/frame like a
> canti or v-brake does. Even the braking force goes to the crown of the 
> fork
> rather than the blades, so the fork blades can focus on other things. That
> said, the tire clearance limitation is a problem if you like anything
> bigger than a 42c.
>
> Reminds me - James told me via email that the Charlie H Gallop is
> going to be side-pull rather than v-brake like the prototypes
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 7:01 PM ted  wrote:
>
>> New newer newest ...
>> Standard oversised ...
>> normal short long ...
>> Traditional ...
>>
>> All relative terms whose meanings morph and evolve and the use of
>> which may or may not make sense to one depending on how long you've been
>> paying attention.
>> From where I sit the waterford AHH and atlantis were the last of the
>> more "traditional" Riv designs, the break being 6 deg top tubes and more
>> limited sizing.
>> With the longer wheelbase MIT models its another leap from
>> "traditional".
>> Maybe it's because I grew up before mountain bikes, but to my eye
>> side/center pull brakes are traditional while cantilevers (not to 
>> mention V
>> brakes) are new fangled. Discs new fangleder yet.
>> But I think RBW would say they aren't about tradition but about
>> practical bikes and what works.
>>
>> There were side pull Roms and canti-Roms, there were side pull
>> Salukis and canti Salukis, there've been canti Sams and side pull Sams, 
>> the
>> SOs were going to be side pull but the builder used the wrong rear brake
>> bridge so they ended up canti. Prior to their recent embrace of V brakes
>> (and the slow march towards ever bigger and bigger tires) RBW seemed 
>> quite
>> agnostic wrt the whole canti vs side/center pull thing, and they went 
>> back
>> and forth quite a bit.
>>
>> I'm continually amazed at how strongly many folks feel about various
>> types of brakes. In my (admittedly somewhat limited) 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Mike

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Joel S
>
> Get a 10 mm long standoff and a 15 or 20 mm M5 allen bolt and you are set
> for the front. Those lights are pretty cool with the removable sideways
> boss mount. Front and rear too.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:49:21 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>>
>> Feeling like a dummy right now. I just went down to measure and look what
>> I found.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:41 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you think the 1/4” will be the right size?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:58 PM Dave  wrote:
>>>
>>>> These are sold to be used as stand ins for rack braze ons and the light
>>>> appears to bolt into a rack braze on so I'm going to guess it should work
>>>> fine.  May need a nut and/or washer or two, depending on if the p clamp and
>>>> light are the same size hardware?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:47 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave, thanks. And this will allow me to put the kiley or koma directly
>>>>> into the holes?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dave  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> P Clamp?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCLAMP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Jonah. I saw that. I need a fork clamp (not sure what it i
>>>>>>> called) for mounting the front on the my Bleriot. For my wife's bike 
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> will be fine. I will have to figure out how to adapt something so I can
>>>>>>> mount this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jonah Cohn 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Crust site includes both front and rear!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:58 PM Joel Stern 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they
>>>>>>>>> are not attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery
>>>>>>>>>> powered taillight pictured and sold here:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Huston
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought
>>>>>>>>>>> from them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in 
>>>>>>>>>>> USA.
>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lug has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Do you think the 1/4” will be the right size?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:58 PM Dave  wrote:

> These are sold to be used as stand ins for rack braze ons and the light
> appears to bolt into a rack braze on so I'm going to guess it should work
> fine.  May need a nut and/or washer or two, depending on if the p clamp and
> light are the same size hardware?
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:47 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> Dave, thanks. And this will allow me to put the kiley or koma directly
>> into the holes?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> P Clamp?
>>>
>>> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCLAMP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jonah. I saw that. I need a fork clamp (not sure what it i
>>>> called) for mounting the front on the my Bleriot. For my wife's bike this
>>>> will be fine. I will have to figure out how to adapt something so I can
>>>> mount this.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jonah Cohn 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Crust site includes both front and rear!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:58 PM Joel Stern 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they are
>>>>>> not attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
>>>>>>> taillight pictured and sold here:
>>>>>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought
>>>>>>>> from them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.
>>>>>>>> Blue Lug has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Dave, worth a shot.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:58 PM Dave  wrote:

> These are sold to be used as stand ins for rack braze ons and the light
> appears to bolt into a rack braze on so I'm going to guess it should work
> fine.  May need a nut and/or washer or two, depending on if the p clamp and
> light are the same size hardware?
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:47 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> Dave, thanks. And this will allow me to put the kiley or koma directly
>> into the holes?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> P Clamp?
>>>
>>> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCLAMP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jonah. I saw that. I need a fork clamp (not sure what it i
>>>> called) for mounting the front on the my Bleriot. For my wife's bike this
>>>> will be fine. I will have to figure out how to adapt something so I can
>>>> mount this.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jonah Cohn 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Crust site includes both front and rear!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:58 PM Joel Stern 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they are
>>>>>> not attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
>>>>>>> taillight pictured and sold here:
>>>>>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought
>>>>>>>> from them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.
>>>>>>>> Blue Lug has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Dave, thanks. And this will allow me to put the kiley or koma directly into
the holes?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:44 PM Dave  wrote:

> P Clamp?
>
> https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCLAMP
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 1:37 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jonah. I saw that. I need a fork clamp (not sure what it i called)
>> for mounting the front on the my Bleriot. For my wife's bike this will be
>> fine. I will have to figure out how to adapt something so I can mount this.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jonah Cohn  wrote:
>>
>>> The Crust site includes both front and rear!
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:58 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they are not
>>>> attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
>>>>> taillight pictured and sold here:
>>>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huston
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from
>>>>>> them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue 
>>>>>> Lug
>>>>>> has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Jonah. I saw that. I need a fork clamp (not sure what it i called)
for mounting the front on the my Bleriot. For my wife's bike this will be
fine. I will have to figure out how to adapt something so I can mount this.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jonah Cohn  wrote:

> The Crust site includes both front and rear!
>
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/misc/products/blue-lug-koma-lights
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:58 PM Joel Stern  wrote:
>
>> I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they are not
>> attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
>>> taillight pictured and sold here:
>>> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>>>
>>> Huston
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from
>>>> them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug
>>>> has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

I finally found the ordering info so I sent an email since they are not
attending the phone.  Thanks for the help..

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:

>
> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
> taillight pictured and sold here:
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>
> Huston
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from
>> them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug
>> has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> https://everydaybicycles.ca/products/kiley-rear-usb-rechargeable-light?_pos=4&_sid=ec0eb585f&_ss=r
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Re: [RBW] Re: Kiley. Rear lihjtd

[Joel Stern]

Thanks everyone, I did buy 2 Koma rears, now to find a front.

Huston, it is the same as the Kiley, they show a box but I have no idea how
to order from them, there is nothing indicating how.  Maybe a phone call

Thanks again

Joel

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:01 PM Huston  wrote:

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> I think the Kiley is the same as the Grand Bois USB battery powered
> taillight pictured and sold here:
> https://www.jitensha.com/eng/lighting.html.
>
> Huston
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:28:55 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Does anyboby know where to get these?  Everyday is out, I bought from
>> them last year for 1 bike. I need for 2 motr bikes.  I am in USA.  Blue Lug
>> has the Koma but shipping makes it not affordable.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hi & Questions...

[Joel Stern]

Mu PBH is a tad over 80.5 and a 51 is fine, but I am at the low end of the
range, any less PBH and I would be on the 48.   At 83 PBH I think a 51
would be perfect.

My Sam is a 51 and it is fitted with 48mm tires, no fenders.

I prefer the shorter chainstays but everyone of us will have our own bias.

Good luck, beautiful country, riding must be a blast.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 8:08 PM Philip Barrett 
wrote:

> It's Scotland. Guaranteed to be wet & muddy.
>
> My PBH is a lofty 82cm so I'd be in a 51 methinks?
>
> And thanks again for all the input here folks.
>
> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:18:35 PM UTC-6 Justin wrote:
>
>> Tire size limitation is really what it comes down to I figure. I didn't
>> see where you'd mentioned the size bike you ride so not sure if you'd be
>> 650b or 700cc on the bikes mentioned, apologies if I've just missed it.
>> I've had both the Sam and the Appaloosa, and rode them together for about a
>> year before I sold the Sam primarily because of tire size limitations. Not
>> that there's anything wrong with the Sam's max of 700x48 (I did squeeze
>> some 700x50 Gravel King SK in there with just a faint hint of rub when
>> cornering) but with my riding opportunities, road riding only happens when
>> commuting or to get to and from trails, never for getting out on the
>> pavement and seeing how far and fast I can go. So the bigger the tire the
>> better IMHO and there was just too much crossover between the two bikes to
>> keep both when I found myself riding the Appaloosa more just because I like
>> the bigger tires. 700x2.25 currently.
>>
>> I ride the Appaloosa on MTB trails quite often when I don't feel like
>> taking my hardtail. I was watching some youtube vids a couple weeks ago of
>> people riding the West Highland Way route and wondered if I'd take the
>> Appaloosa or the hard tail on that route. I'm still undecided but I can say
>> if was going to be wet and muddy I'd always go with the disc braked hard
>> tail for wet stopping efficiency and the extra tire clearance. When the mud
>> gets caked up in the brakes, stays and forks that little tire clearance on
>> the Rivendell will diminish quickly especially with rim brakes. Whoah
>> everybody, take it easy. I love rim brakes too, more even, but that doesn't
>> change the truth. I made the mistake a couple weeks of not considering the
>> possible mud on the trail and rubbed paint down to metal at the brakes on
>> all 6 stays and fork blades. I was also pushing the limits by running 2.25
>> tires so YMMV.
>>
>> Hope that helps a little
>>
>> [image: 50764349577_7e636d061b_z[1].jpg]
>> [image: 50763500228_66ba376006_z[1].jpg]
>> [image: 50763501383_9d0ef1f75f_z[1].jpg]
>> [image: 50763502108_278969ea4d_z[1].jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 3:09:10 PM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>
>>> Philip,
>>>
>>> If you don’t need tires bigger than 700x48, the Sam Hillborne can do
>>> anything and feels fastest of the Rivs I ride (Ram, Atlantis, Hunqapillar,
>>> Quickbeam.)
>>>
>>> In theory, the Ram should feel fastest and maybe is, but my comfort with
>>> Albatross handlebar and the bigger tires for the mixed terrains has me
>>> happier for longer on the Hillborne. I might psychologically covert that to
>>> “feeling faster” over the long haul.
>>>
>>> Hillbornes are amazing. But the question of tire size limitation is key.
>>>
>>> -Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Lester Lammers 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I see that James at Analog Cycles, a Riv dealer, also has Kona bikes.
>>> Given the images above, I'd email him before you decide. My 2 cents.
>>>
>>> https://analogcycles.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:47:26 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Still chewing on this cud! When I spoke to Riv they recommended the
 Appaloosa too, however isn't that more touring orientated (per Riv's own
 website)? Forgive the stock photos but these are the actual trails I will
 be riding in addition to the A roads thru farm tracks.

 [image: xcampervan-scotland-306.jpg]
 [image: 5-of-the-Best-Wild-Mountain-Bike-Rides-in-Scotland-1.jpg]

 On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams
 wrote:

> Welcome to the group, Philip!
>
> Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper
> was the modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports
> car--it was wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone
> with a spirited style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding
> style had changed.
>
> When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A.
> Homer Hilsen, the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam 
> had
> a light "road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis 
> felt
> like heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a 
> build,
> but 

Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Joel Stern]

No problem Patrick.  My daughter may or may not have had the virus in
April, before much was known. She is in CA and has Kaiser, they never
tested her, hardly have her any meds just an inhaler. I finally sent a
zpack that I had in the house to her and that seemed to help so maybe it
was just a bronchial thing. Too much misinformation to no information to
really know.

Be safe

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:11 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for the alert, Joel. No need for a purchase link; I'll continue to
> use the base-model masks and my new (to be delivered today) Buff neck
> gaiter, this one doubled over to prevent sneeze spray. I use masks for
> other people, mostly, and for social courtesy, less to keep myself safe,
> for which I rely on distance and basic sanitation. I may buy one of those
> Cahart masks, though, since they're cheap.
>
> My ex has come down with a bad case of COVID and she's on oxygen (I talked
> to her yesterday; bad case but not critical; she's at home, treating
> herself; she's a **very** good MD) and my daughter has a mild case, so I
> take the disease seriously, FWIW.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:05 AM Joel S  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, this is an interesting one.  Washable and reusable at least 55
>> times, maybe more.  Supposedly can kill viruses.  I ordered 3 for the
>> family to try.  Here is info, I can get you a link, they are on sale till
>> end of today.
>>
>> https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-made-mask-eliminates-over-99-percent-of-coronavirus-lab-tests-suggest-644434?utm_source=outbrain_medium=referral=v1-883906e95517af8172df621b3f87de66-00e5c8beb12345f2f8860147721838ab85-mztgmztdgjtdelldgm2tkljumu2wiljzmq2tqljrmu2taobrgfstondgmy
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:27:42 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The video that David posted of Mz Cool stopping by Rivendell was
>>> interesting for various reasons, but one in particular is her way of using
>>> what looks to be a scarf as a COVID mask that can be kept sub-chin while
>>> riding but quickly pulled up in public.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done this? Can he-er-she describe the scarf, how you put it
>>> on, and how you manipulate it?
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=629
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=698
>>>
>>> Anyway, her scarf is much more pleasant to look at than your average
>>> mask; far less of a disfigurement.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Joel Stern]

Nicely done. Have you given that Albatross a good try? I just changed mine
on one bike to Choco but it is too cold here to give them a test ride.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 8:38 PM i  wrote:

> I guess I should post my hillborne
> I hate the albatross bars actually. not for me. going with drops. got some
> really nice aluminum ones for sale if someone wants em, maybe..might put
> them on the MB1 and see how that goes.
> https://imgur.com/EWuiFri
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:49:54 PM UTC-5 Ray wrote:
>
>> Mike, that's the perfect backdrop for that Sam. All the colors just look
>> great. Well done.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 8:21:04 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> That's a heck of a unique build and the best bar / chainstay wrapping
>>> I've seen in a good while. This build will be hard to beat for the batch of
>>> Sam's!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Joel Stern]

$81, Wow is right.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline 
wrote:

> I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many
> years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got
> lots of beausage, too!).
>
> George in NoCal
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard
>> would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few
>> stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional
>> for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a day
>> left--late Saturday Night hammer.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in
 the house too long 

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly
> Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett
> wrote:
>
>> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise.
>> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen.
>> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess.
>>
>> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this amount
>> on eBay.
>>
>> John jo...@rivbike.com
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang,
>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>
>>> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction
>>> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell
>>> cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added up
>>> and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at 
>>> $51
>>> plus $3.95 for shipping.
>>>
>>> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about
>>> it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's
>>> *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to
>>> bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly
>>> wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in
>>> different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Very nice.  Enjoy

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 7:02 PM David Baldi 
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> New Sam build. This was one of the frames they found in the back a few
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with no
known de,I very time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not bad.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 12:02 PM Pete P  wrote:

> I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it
>
> would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!
>
> So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco
>
> bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to those
>
> now uncomfortable drop bars).
>
> They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and
>
> Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise
>
> up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You can’t
> go wrong with either one!
>
>
> Pete
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
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>> Thanks Roberta.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; they
>>> differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's what
>>> came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:

 Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

Dave, those look nice.  If I don’t like the MKS I have coming I will look
at these.  Wet riding would not be an issue for me and I like the short
pins.

Thank you

Joel
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> I'm a fan of VO's Sabot.  It has a large platform (100mm by 100mm, IIRC),
> is aluminum and silver, and has shortish rounded pins for grip.  The pins
> don't rip up my shoes, but they also don't grip well when the pedal's wet.
> That last bit is their one downside, but it's a price I'm willing to pay
> for pins that don't chew up my soles.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

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Thanks Roberta.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:

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> differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's what
> came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile.
>
> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search.
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>> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 9:31 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I only ride one hand position--at the end.
>
> I had Choco-Moose (C-M) on my Joe Appaloosa and loved it.  I had Albatross
> on my A Homer Hilsen and liked it.
>
> A year later, I swapped out the C-M on Joe A. for Albatross, trying to
> lighten my bike, and disliked it.I kept the albatross on my AHH but got
> a shorter stem and LOVED it.  (The same bar gave me two very different
> impressions!)
>
> I swapped back the C-M bars on my Joe A. and now I'm loving that bike
> again, too.
>
> My conclusion is that the bars are only part of the story--stem height,
> length,  physical relationship to it, a body's lean angle-- all are
> intertwined.  I think I had put on a too short stem when I changed from the
> C-M with integrated stem to an Albatross with a standard stem and that was
> my real issue.  Probably buying a longer stem would have made me very
> happy.  But, I already owned the C-M, so I went back to that.
>
> I like the Choco for it's clean line, and the Albatross for its rise and
> flowing artistry.  Also, the Choco is narrower, so might appeal more to
> those of us without broad shoulders. For my next bike, if rise isn't an
> issue, I'd go with the Choco (norm this time).
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
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>> I had my bike on roller with a fork mount as the weather had turned
>> cold.  Today it has warmed up so I changed the rear tire back and went
>> out.  While on the rollers the Albatross bars were not very comfortable so
>> I have been thinking of Choco bars.  On the road they felt fine.  Wondering
>> from those that have used both what your thoughts are on these 2 bars.
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 126, 130, 135 good quality rear Freewheel hub.

[Joel Stern]

I found a NOS XC Pro.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 7:25 PM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> What did you wind up getting?
>
> Bill S
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>>
>> FW hub found.
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 10:30:08 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 32 hole
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:11:27 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Just replied now I know what was in back.

 On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 7:07 PM Bill Schairer 
 wrote:

> Have a campy and a Dura Ace.  Sent pm with photo.
>
> Bill S
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:25:30 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
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>> Let me know what you have.
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Paul.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:03 PM Paul Richardson 
wrote:

> i ride a homer hilsen with albatross bars and a wolbis with chocos and
> find the "second" hand position is much more useful on the chocos.  just my
> 2¢.  probably can't go wrong with either.
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:39:40 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
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>> Thanks Erik, I think I have to give them a try. Riv will get some in one
>> day.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:24 PM Erik Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> I love Albatross bars, but I like the Choco's a bit better too.
>>> Something about them, like Ben said, feels a little more natural in a way
>>> that the bars seem to sort of disappear beneath me. I first noticed that
>>> feeling when I test rode an Atlantis at Riv HQ in August 2018 that had
>>> Choco bars, and now I have Choco bars on my Hillborne. I think it's all in
>>> the setup. I think the forward-of-brake-levers hand position feels a bit
>>> more usable on the Choco bars as well.
>>>
>>> I've attached a photo of my 56cm Sam H with Choco bars and a 13cm stem.
>>>
>>> Erik, Philly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Erik, I think I have to give them a try. Riv will get some in one
day.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:24 PM Erik Wright  wrote:

> I love Albatross bars, but I like the Choco's a bit better too. Something
> about them, like Ben said, feels a little more natural in a way that the
> bars seem to sort of disappear beneath me. I first noticed that feeling
> when I test rode an Atlantis at Riv HQ in August 2018 that had Choco bars,
> and now I have Choco bars on my Hillborne. I think it's all in the setup. I
> think the forward-of-brake-levers hand position feels a bit more usable on
> the Choco bars as well.
>
> I've attached a photo of my 56cm Sam H with Choco bars and a 13cm stem.
>
> Erik, Philly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Ben.  From the looks I like has the Choco has a similar look as the
flats of drops.  I usually ride close to or on the curves of the Albatross
but have thought the Choco might give me more area.  I am towards the
bottom of my same and the same with the Bleriot I have, so the TT is plenty
long and I added a longer stem on the Bleriot as the one I was using was
just too short.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 2:59 PM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> I'm a Choco man myself. I did use a bar similar to the albatross (not a
> Nitto). I like them better and will stick with them as I like how my hands
> are in a more natural position...like pushing a wheel barrow, I
> guess...this position gets my shoulders, elbows, and wrists/hands in a kind
> of neater line if you were to look down at me from above. Albatrossish bars
> tend my make my elbows flare out a little. I've never rode with drops, but
> I'd think the Chocos are better than Albatross to mimic riding on the
> hoods.
>
> Downside (to some) of Choco...it doesn't rise as much as Albatross, so
> more stem needed to get the bars the same height.
> They do reach back a little further than the Albatross, so maybe it makes
> a bigger bike ride smaller? If you're at the bottom of the PBH range for
> your fame, good thing? If you're on the high end, bad thing? I'm 93.25 on a
> 59cm Atlantis, so I'm on the high end for that frame. I don't feel crowded
> by how close the grips are...but I'd need a fancy laser fitting to know if
> I'm in the right position or not.
>
> If you haven't already seen it
> [image: ChocoAlba.jpg]
> From Riv's website. The Chocos are on bottom.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 1:37:41 PM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I had my bike on roller with a fork mount as the weather had turned
>> cold.  Today it has warmed up so I changed the rear tire back and went
>> out.  While on the rollers the Albatross bars were not very comfortable so
>> I have been thinking of Choco bars.  On the road they felt fine.  Wondering
>> from those that have used both what your thoughts are on these 2 bars.
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Daniel.  I have always been happy with MKS pedals.  I ordered a
couple of pair yesterday.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:30 AM Daniel M  wrote:

> I have VP platforms on a number of bikes and like them for light use but
> would never again use them for touring. The bearings that VP use are of a
> lower quality than those used by MKS (I think it has to do with the outer
> being a bushing with a plastic sleeve or something). Either way, I've had
> VP bearings fail in the field, not quite catastrophically but really,
> really annoyingly, and I've read reports of people who really liked the
> large platform of the Catalyst pedal switch to something else because of
> bearing failure.
>
> Whether it's the Sneaker Pedal or the Grip King or whatever it's called,
> you can feel instantly that MKS uses a higher quality bearing. I've settled
> on the platform pedals sold by Rene Herse:
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/pedals/mks-allways-pedals/
>
> I don't mean to identify with a particular brand or bash another, but
> riding unsupported in Death Valley for days with a wobbling pedal is not
> something I wish to repeat.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

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Thanks Andrew. I will look at the info on Analog.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 11:11 AM Andrew Turner 
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> I really like my Spank Oozy pedal, and I found a used pair to help with
> the cost. They're really nice and big but have tons of negative space and
> are wicked thin/light so they don't look clunky even on my 'road' bike.
> Analog has tons of literature on flat pedals and these were one of their
> approved models so I just followed suit. For something cheaper and less
> BRAAPPPie the MKS GripKing and Allways pedals are awesome.
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:32:13 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
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>> Thanks Laing
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:45 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> I have very wide feet and the MKS grip monarch is narrow where I want it
>>> to be wide. I am using Speedplay Drilliums on my Gus Boots Wilsen build.
>>> Kind of hard to find, I don't think they are made anymore. Not generally
>>> fond of black components, but I love the look of these. Not the lightest
>>> pedal around.
>>>
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> I also use VO Sabot when the pedal has to be polished silver.
>>>
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>> I also have several Diety TMACs in several colors. I wish they had a
>>> polished model
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Laing

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:45 AM lconley  wrote:

> I have very wide feet and the MKS grip monarch is narrow where I want it
> to be wide. I am using Speedplay Drilliums on my Gus Boots Wilsen build.
> Kind of hard to find, I don't think they are made anymore. Not generally
> fond of black components, but I love the look of these. Not the lightest
> pedal around.
>
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> I also use VO Sabot when the pedal has to be polished silver.
>
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
> I also have several Diety TMACs in several colors. I wish they had a
> polished model
>
>
> [image: Capture.JPG]
>
>
> Laing
>
> Delray Beach FL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

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Thanks Rich.  The look a bit long but maybe they will be perfect and the
price I’d good from modern.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:31 AM RichS  wrote:

> Joel, I second the Lambda pedals (or the newer Monarch). Five years on and
> the Lambda's are still comfortable and provide good grip.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
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>> They do look nice
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:09 AM aeroperf  wrote:
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>>> I really like the Blackspire Sub4 that someone here recommended last
>>> year.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

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They do look nice

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

David, how big are these?  I have been using the MKS touring (rat trap)
pedal and would like a larger footprint, not sure how much larger though.

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> How about the MKS Grip Monarch that Rivendell sells? I've been riding a
> pair for most of this year and like them a lot. Big, roomy and grippy.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pedals-mks-new-2018
> They have reflectors but are protected from damage and I believe that they
> can each be popped out by releasing the two expanding tabs.
>
> David Lipsky
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>
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>> All riding is on blacktop, just want a larger footprint.  Don’t want a
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

Doug, I could not find these Campus pedals to look at.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 7:58 PM dougP  wrote:

> MKS used to make a campus pedal that was aluminum.  Rivendell carried
> them.  My wife has them on her bike & likes them
>
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>> All riding is on blacktop, just want a larger footprint.  Don’t want a
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>> Thank
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

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https://www.modernbike.com/mks-lambda-platform-pedals-silver


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 7:56 AM Joel Stern  wrote:

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> Thanks David, I am looking at those.  There is a bit older model that
> looks very similar called the Lambda.
>
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>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pedals-mks-new-2018
>> They have reflectors but are protected from damage and I believe that
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>>
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
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>>> All riding is on blacktop, just want a larger footprint.  Don’t want a
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

Thanks David, I am looking at those.  There is a bit older model that looks
very similar called the Lambda.

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> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pedals-mks-new-2018
> They have reflectors but are protected from damage and I believe that they
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>
> David Lipsky
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Re: [RBW] Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Robert, I will look at the VP.  I know of Race-face a bit. Will look
again.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:41 PM  wrote:

> I have VP Vice pedals on a few bikes and I like them. They are reasonably
> priced and plenty grippy for me. I also have a pair of Race Face Chester
> pedals on a bike and like them as well. They are made of a composite
> material I think but they don’t flex at all.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 3, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Joel S  wrote:
>
> All riding is on blacktop, just want a larger footprint.  Don’t want a
> plastic or rubber pedal.
>
> Thank
>
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform pedal recommendations

[Joel Stern]

Thanks. I’ve seen a few MKS pedals but the reflectors turn me off. I was on
their web page today looking. I’ve used their pedals for years.
On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 7:58 PM dougP  wrote:

> MKS used to make a campus pedal that was aluminum.  Rivendell carried
> them.  My wife has them on her bike & likes them
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 4:11:43 PM UTC-8, Joel S wrote:
>>
>> All riding is on blacktop, just want a larger footprint.  Don’t want a
>> plastic or rubber pedal.
>>
>> Thank
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[Joel Stern]

Very nice build.  I have the tektro side pulls before they became Silver
brakes, that is the limiting factor.  I am ok with 42’s because the Sam
wears 48’s but at least I know if I change brakes I could use 48’s although
I think the bike would be too big for me then, just make it now with little
clearance.

Thanks and enjoy.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ulysses O  wrote:

> I wish I could fit 60's on this. my big tire bike will be either the Clem
> or a Joe if I can find one. Planning on testing the limits of their
> clearance one day.
>
> Joel, I'm not sure how I got these to fit other than just trying them. Is
> yours the same size? (59) My brakes are Paul Racer center pulls and fit up
> to 52? I think. I'm pretty certain I can fit 50s too but haven't tried. I
> wish Grant would resurrect the saluki/bleriot with bigger tire clearance,
> few more mounts and higher bottom bracket, it would be PERFECT. I had a
> third bottle mount added to the BB and a front rack mount to the drop out.
>
> here's an album to my build if anyone is curious.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulysses_o/albums/72157716708796478;
> title="Rivendell Bleriot">https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50556725116_1e6bd49f54_c.jpg;
> width="800" height="600" alt="Rivendell Bleriot">
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 9:00:00 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I like the way you've fit the pump over the frame bag. And that is quite
>> a front load. Again, very nice. I use 60s (measure almost 62 mm) at 19 psi
>> on our ancient *acequia* irrigation ditch roads and paths; after a dry
>> spell the very fine, silty (next to the Rio Grand) soil breaks up and the
>> 60s let me power thru 3", and float over shallower patches (and there are
>> patches that I have to walk).
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:10 PM Ulysses O  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 6EE38072-5EBB-48F9-96CD-9E2A9274EFB0.jpeg]Rides SUPER well with
>>> a front load which was a surprise to me. Not sure how many lbs exactly, but
>>> here’s a pic of my one night camp set up. This was shot on Bolinas ridge
>>> trail on our way to Samuel P, and I had everything in the panniers and food
>>> up top. If I was going on a 2 day, I’d probably add a Carradice in the rear.
>>>
>>> Most of the parts are used or spare-parts I had and that seatpost was a
>>> friend’s hand-me-down. The geo is weird so it worked for me. I’m a 90 PBH
>>> with shorter torso, so yes your assumption is correct. The seat does need
>>> to slide back a bit, just haven’t gotten around to adjusting. I’m also on
>>> 48mm tires which I highly recommend for sand and off road. I can fit 50’s
>>> for sure, but these, again, were a hand-me-down.
>>>
>>> I may need to do an alignment check and refresh it after that trail 
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:02:08 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Re: forward saddle and short stem: are you long-limbed and short
 torso'd? Me, I'm the other way. Again, just curious about the setup.

 On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:00 PM Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Very nice. This sort of bike makes me want a lightish road bike with
> 42s or 45s for firm dirt and gravel -- only our dirt is sand, so no good.
>
> How much (by weight) of a front load does the Bleriot tolerate, I mean
> before the handling gets bad?
>
> Can anyone say offhand what the Bleriot's trail is? (I know, I can
> look it up, but don't want to right now.)
>
> I notice the saddle all the way forward on a no-setback post and the
> short stem: is that how you set up all your road-type bikes? Not advising
> otherwise, just curious because I use a lot of setback and a short stem.
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:46 AM Ulysses O  wrote:
>
>> [image: 7BCEDF01-AA76-4285-90C9-63FDA9EC76A8.jpeg]
>>
>> Bought this from a member here. Very happy with the fit and ride
>> quality considering I’ve never seen or test ridden one. Took a few months
>> to paint and build, worth the wait 珞
>>
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel Stern]

I had 2 Roads, not sure which, first was ‘97 second was ‘99.  They were
both great bikes but like a fool I wanted a total custom.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:30 PM Fullylugged 
wrote:

> Actually, there was the original Road, with a level top tube and the
> slightly later Road Standard, with a sloping top tube. Also, the drop outs
> came from different suppliers.
>
> Bruce (1995 Road)
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:02:20 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs
>> started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it
>> would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA frames?
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The Atlantis started in Japan, too. Bleriot was the first Taiwan model,
>>> then some time after that the costs got so high for the Toyo frames that it
>>> made more sense to have those done in USA at Waterford. There are two model
>>> names that have existed on Toyo, Waterford and MIT frames: Atlantis and
>>> Homer.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:27:52 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Steve.

 On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar 
 wrote:

> Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US
> made.
> On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
>
> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were
> USA made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was
> for the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not
> made in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>
> You're wrong about that.
>
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 126, 130, 135 good quality rear Freewheel hub.

[Joel Stern]

Just replied now I know what was in back.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 7:07 PM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> Have a campy and a Dura Ace.  Sent pm with photo.
>
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>> Let me know what you have.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Jim, this is perfect and a nice reading list to boot.

Joel

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:24 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> This has come up before, and those are interesting threads - so worth
> using the search feature for the group - one of the real assets of having
> this via the googling-groups...
>
> There was a spreadsheet posted here -
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JRuMAwuQ-Rc6bQXCBmfkmXA9jMMF5zBdBIyUOmkruYM/edit#gid=0
>
> There was a thread from back in 2013 - quoted  below:
>
> The _VERY_ rough page for "Generation 1" Rivendell frames is here:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/
>
> There are some Catalog scans (Catalog #5) of the Road Standard, Long Low
> and All Rounder
>
> The Long Low (and Road Standard) begat the Rambouillet
>
> The All Rounder begat the Atlantis
>
> As for the the specifics...  wow. That's probably a bit of an
> essay.
>
> My opinion is that most of the Rivendell models have been tweaks and
> evolutions.  One of the driving factors was actually the availability of
> certain parts - specifically "real world" reach brakes and large volume,
> round profile tires.  When the Long Low was around, most of the road tires
> were 19, 21 and 23 cm, while the brake reach was extremely limited.  So,
> there's that.
>
> The other thing is that I think Grant hones in on what makes each bike
> different and then intensifies the ideas - the essence of each design, if
> you will.  For example, the Rambouillet sits between the Hilsen and the
> Roadeo, but probably each is influenced by it.  When the Rambouillet came
> out, it wasn't common to ramble singletrack and mountain trails on a "road"
> bike, but with the increased clearances and larger volume tires, it was
> possible.  That design really was at the edge of what could be done with
> common brake components, and when the Silver dual pivots came out, that
> obstacle was removed. Big tires and ample clearance moved the design one
> way (Hilsen) and then the idea of running the comfy undercarriage (itself
> influenced by working with the 650B/584 tire size), but bringing back the
> light responsiveness of the Rambouillet into a more road focused design
> gave us the Roadeo.
>
> If you read back through the early Readers, Grant wrote a lot about this -
> trying to maximize his ideas against the realities of what was available.
> Sitting here in 2013, it's hard to believe that only 10 years ago it was
> about race-driven design.  That pretty much no one had heard of larger than
> 23 cm road tires, let alone 650B.  If you have the time, get the copies of
> the early Readers - it's well worth going through them.
>
> The 2009 Series - which gave rise to the Hillborne was really a refinement
> of the Atlantis made by someone other than Toyo.  Unfortunately economics
> of Japanese crafted frames has been a challenge.  I still want to expand
> some of the RBW history on the site - but have been pretty busy getting my
> VO work up and running for the past year or so.   Here are specific "early
> model" pages:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis
> 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot
> 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil
> 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen
> 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam
> 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet
> 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus
> 
>
>
> It's also interesting to see how the idea of frames begin and where they
> end up.  The First Bombadil doesn't look at all like the final iteration,
> while the Hunqapillar morphed dramatically during conception.
>
> There's a lot of gaps in what I just wrote, of course.  The answer I
> always give is that when you are ready to get a bicycle that rides great
> everywhere, and can be adapted to your needs, it's time to check out
> Rivendell.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:52:23 AM UTC-7, Joel S wrote:
>>
>> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA
>> made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for
>> the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not made
>> in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel Stern]

That’s what I was trying to remember.  Thanks again Steve.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 1:05 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> You're missing the LongLow, which was also Waterford-made.
> On 10/31/20 1:02 PM, Joel S wrote:
>
> So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs
> started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it
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>
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> USA
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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Steve.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US
> made.
> On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:
>
> I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA
> made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for
> the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not made
> in USA was the MIT Bleriot.
>
> You're wrong about that.
>
>
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> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Joel Stern]

Very nice, love those black Hillbornes.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:39 PM J Schwartz  wrote:

> Takin a break at the Shawangunk Grasslands Wildlife Refuge
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam, almost fully dressed

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Thanks Jason. Now I have the Brooks back on it..

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam, almost fully dressed

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Jon, I was thinking about you earlier.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 5:17 PM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
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> Joel
> I'm glad you like he donut bag. Your Sam really turned out nice. You will
> get many enjoyable miles on it for sure.
> Jon
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> On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 12:09:55 PM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
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>> I have about finished for now, the saddle is thanks to Ted Fay, not sure
>> on it yet, will try my champion special again, but not bad and a big things
>> as it was a gift. Another thanks to Jon Dukeman for nudging me just enough
>> for me to get the front donut bag which is perfect to carry one or two
>> small cameras.
>>
>> The rear bag is my new Acorn Small, I also got a large so I could see
>> which I like best, I think with the Donut bag that small is fine, a bit
>> bigger than the Rivendell Kevin bag I have been using. The large one is
>> bigger than the banana bag so I will see how I will like the size. The
>> workmanship and materials are spectacular.
>>
>> The bar tape has a third layer around the brake levers due to the
>> diacompe clamp hitting my hand, not sure how I will resolve this, I may
>> leave it and I may rewrap ,I have plenty of time to decide.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pacenti parri motos vs switchbackhill 48c

[Joel Stern]

I have the Switchbackhill tires on my new Sam, no fenders.  Fit great.
Supposed to only take 45mm.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 11:54 AM Sam Perez  wrote:

> I have a bike designed around a 42 with fenders , I just scooped up the
> parri motos in 48 don't have calipers to measure but it's tight . Did this
> to see if the switchbacks would fit before committing $200. The frame
> accommodates 48 w/o fenders. But I think if it's any bigger it won't fit.
> Really trying to keep the fenders .
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 8:05 AM jstewse  wrote:
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>> The Switchback is a way bigger tire, reported as measuring over 50mm in
>> many cases. A more direct comparison would be Babyshoe Pass.  If you can
>> fit Switchbacks, its a pretty dreamy tire, but if you want more of a
>> classic 42, Parimoto is great.
>>
>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 1:45:14 PM UTC-4 Sam Perez wrote:
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>>> Aside from price and only comparing standard casing. Does anyone have
>>> any experience with both?
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Re: [RBW] Sam, almost fully dressed

[Joel Stern]

Paul, the  bike rides great.  The 48mm tires help but Even without that the
frame is just very body gentle.  Handling I’d stable, a bit slower than the
Bleriot but not much and that may be me getting used to it.  I’ve put the
Brooks saddle back on and all feels great.

It would be very hard to go to a less relaxed bike ever again.  I like the
chainstays on this one, would not, for me, want them longer.

It was a great choice.

The ones that have not hit yet, that dark gold would have been tempting as
I like more subdues but I am getting very comfortable with the orange.

I want to ride today as well but it is wet on the road, will see if it
dries up.

Thanks for your feedback.

Joel

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 12:13 PM True Golden  wrote:

> Very nice Joel!
>
> Have you been able to get out on some rides on it?
>
> If so, what are your thoughts?
>
> Paul in Dallas
> Was planing on riding my orange Sam this morning but rain storms started
> up and I'm waiting for it to clear out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel Stern]

Sorry, I meant Matt.  Where in CT are you?  I am in western MA.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:48 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Mike, I think the Saluki was 2003.  There is an article posted above that
> details 650b bikes here...
>
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>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
>> back then?
>>
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>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
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>>>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>>>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>>>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>>>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>>>
>>>> Matt Cook in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

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Mike, I think the Saluki was 2003.  There is an article posted above that
details 650b bikes here...

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> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>
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> back then?
>
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>
>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>
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>>
>>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>>
>>> Matt Cook in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Joel Stern]

I wish I had trails like this to ride on, must be a blast.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 9:47 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> Here's some photos from my 'coffee outside' ride the other day... it was
> Canadian Thanksgiving, lots of people got out into the forest for a family
> outing before a big dinner, but I can assure you I was probably the only
> person all week on some of the trails I chose :D
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks James

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM James / Analog Cycles <
analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> I'd say for everyone who values their time, and wants a functional
> drivetrain, a bottle of prolink is the current best bet on the market. If
> you have wet conditions, use prolink to clean, and finish line wet lube to
> lube.
>
> -James
>
> On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 10:43:46 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
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>> I ride on dry Conditions only and was steered to Fastline dry lube.  I
>> also read about Rock and Roll gold.  For my riding are you saying Prolink,
>> and no degreaser?
>>
>> Thanks
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM James / Analog Cycles <
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>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>
>>> By your own writing, you have the same maintenance interval with prolink
>>> as you do with wax.  400 miles on road, 200 off.  I'd say the difference is
>>> ease of use with prolink.  It's faster, and all you need is a rag and
>>> prolink.  It's less expensive.  It cleans the chain, which wax does not.
>>> It has no PTFE, which is just about the worst thing you can use on your
>>> bike if you are fond of the outdoors.  Ski resorts are ahead of the game on
>>> this, banning PTFE from ski waxes on their slopes.
>>>
>>> So, really, I'd recommend the same thing we use up here in the wet.
>>> Prolink and a rag.  I wouldn't apply the prolink sparingly, it only works
>>> as a cleaner if you get it dripping wet.  Let it sit for a just a few
>>> minutes, then wipe 95% of it off.  Done.  10 minutes, tops, with the post
>>> lube rim cleaning.
>>>
>>> Obviously, everyone is gunna have their own best method.  I want mine to
>>> be fast, effective, affordable and relatively eco friendly.  BTW, if anyone
>>> has used a GOOD actual eco lube, I'm all ears.  I've tried many, been
>>> impressed by none.  Requirements: has to be available stateside.  Not very
>>> eco friendly to fly lube over from England.
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Sheesh: More clearly and accurately: the main criteria are: chain and
 cog longevity; shifting performance; time between lubes; ease of lubing and
 cleaning; and distant fourth, a clean chain exterior.

 On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 6:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... But the main criterion is chain and cog and ring longevity.
> Actually, my rings last forever, so let's say cog and chain longevity; and
> also shifting performance, tho' I presently have onlhy 1 derailleur bike.
>
> Thoughts and suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

I ride on dry Conditions only and was steered to Fastline dry lube.  I also
read about Rock and Roll gold.  For my riding are you saying Prolink, and
no degreaser?

Thanks
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:10 AM James / Analog Cycles <
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> Hi Patrick,
>
> By your own writing, you have the same maintenance interval with prolink
> as you do with wax.  400 miles on road, 200 off.  I'd say the difference is
> ease of use with prolink.  It's faster, and all you need is a rag and
> prolink.  It's less expensive.  It cleans the chain, which wax does not.
> It has no PTFE, which is just about the worst thing you can use on your
> bike if you are fond of the outdoors.  Ski resorts are ahead of the game on
> this, banning PTFE from ski waxes on their slopes.
>
> So, really, I'd recommend the same thing we use up here in the wet.
> Prolink and a rag.  I wouldn't apply the prolink sparingly, it only works
> as a cleaner if you get it dripping wet.  Let it sit for a just a few
> minutes, then wipe 95% of it off.  Done.  10 minutes, tops, with the post
> lube rim cleaning.
>
> Obviously, everyone is gunna have their own best method.  I want mine to
> be fast, effective, affordable and relatively eco friendly.  BTW, if anyone
> has used a GOOD actual eco lube, I'm all ears.  I've tried many, been
> impressed by none.  Requirements: has to be available stateside.  Not very
> eco friendly to fly lube over from England.
>
> -James
>
> On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Sheesh: More clearly and accurately: the main criteria are: chain and cog
>> longevity; shifting performance; time between lubes; ease of lubing and
>> cleaning; and distant fourth, a clean chain exterior.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 6:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> ... But the main criterion is chain and cog and ring longevity.
>>> Actually, my rings last forever, so let's say cog and chain longevity; and
>>> also shifting performance, tho' I presently have onlhy 1 derailleur bike.
>>>
>>> Thoughts and suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Ray.  I ordered some the other day but always good to get another
endorsement.

Joel
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 6:10 PM Ray Varella  wrote:

>
> I also use simple green.
> I use diesel fuel for my parts cleaning. I find it works very well as a
> solvent and even if you leave it uncovered, the evaporation rate is
> extremely slow.
>
> Back to simple green, you can adjust the ratio of cleaner to water if you
> buy the concentrate.
>
> Here’s my endorsement: I drive rigs and occasionally someone will drag the
> air lines and power cord across the 5th wheel skid plate.
> These skid plates are covered with the thickest, dirtiest most tenacious
> grease you’ve ever gotten on yourself.
> A couple applications of simple green and a shop rag will wipe away a
> thick coating of this greasy mess.
> No part on any bicycle will ever accumulate this sort of grease.
> It’s also safe to use on many other household chores.
>
> Ray
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-7, Joel S wrote:
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>> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with
>> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with
>> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Picked this up today

[Joel Stern]

We’re just starting to get some, been a dry summer but I think you need it
more.

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> Joel:
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> Can you please send some of that rain to California?
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> <15D2EF10-DFC2-462F-8323-8C639D705551.jpeg>
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> back from the shop built up.  I had to make a few adjustments, normal
> stuff, saddle height, bar height and angle, get the water bottle cage on
> and finally get a chance to put an old nitto rear rack on.  If it dies not
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

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Thanks aeroperf.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:19 PM aeroperf  wrote:

>
> What Ray said - Simple Green.  It works in my chain cleaner, is easily
> available, and cheap.
> Finish Line is another citrus based product, but pricey.
>
> I've stayed away from Purple Power since the manufacturer says:
> "Purple Power is not recommended for use when washing cars as it could
>
> possibly destroy the clear coat surface and damage the paint."
> "Do not use Purple Power on Stainless Steel or Aluminum as it could leave
>
> white streaks or a hazy film. If accidentally used on Stainless Steel
>
> or Aluminum and you have this residue, try buffing with a Metal Polish,
>
> such as Wenols or Mothers Metal Polish to restore finish."
> "Purple Power is not recommended for use on Chrome or Copper.  Chrome can
> become etched and will be permanently damaged."
>
> Since my Sam has painted surfaces, aluminum chainrings, and some chrome
> bits, I'll stick with Simple Green.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Benz.  Basically just to keep the chain clean, especially after
season for winter storage.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 2:01 PM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
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> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with
>> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with
>> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?
>
>
> Finish Line citrus degreaser is one of the strongest degreasers I've tried
> outside of industrial degreasers. If you require its full degreasing power,
> you'll find that the popular alternatives like Simple Green probably won't
> work as well. In between Simple Green and Finish Line citrus degreaser are
> the automotive degreasers. I find full-strength Purple Power to be
> sufficiently powerful enough to easily degrease chains and chainrings. It's
> also remarkably inexpensive, with gallon jugs selling for about $5 at
> Walmart.
>
> If you still want to continue with citrus degreaser, try buying in bulk
> from non-bicycle sources. They're usually sold as "100% D-Limonene" for
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Ray.


On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ray  wrote:

> Simple Green. It might be my favorite product of any variety ever period.
> It's like magic.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 12:38:24 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
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>> I used the finish line product but it goes very fast, then greased with
>> finis line.  Have hear talk of using a citrus based product.  Will use with
>> the park chain cleaning tank.  Any recommendations?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Joel Stern]

It has not started yet.  It says sometime in Nov.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 9:14 AM 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Damn.  Did I miss this?  Usually they give us some warning.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 6:03:32 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
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>> From what it says on the website they sold out of every color and size
>> within a couple of hours. Unless that just means it hasn't been "released"
>> yet? I always get confused with this.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 11:51:33 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> I really like both production colors - they’re fresh and airy. I hope
>>> Rivendell sells out of these bikes completely and are compelled to order
>>> another batch immediately. Bike demand is up in 2020, and this is
>>> Rivendell’s time to shine! Platypuses on parade,
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:28:33 PM UTC-7 Flowerfang wrote:
>>>

 That looks like a great Wes Anderson movie


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> While the razzsorb is incomparable, the production colors are lovely
> for this mixte bicycle. The limolive evokes one of my favorite bicycle
> colors, Legnano green. As a consolation for missing out on Leah's luscious
> razz, it goes well with red accents. And the blilver is really nice too,
> more green than recent blues. Try it with white grips and pedals!
>
> [image: Legnano_Handlebars.JPG]
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> [image:
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>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:21:32 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Neither stock color is as dark, as rich, as luscious, or as special
>> as Leah's Raspberry Sorbet frame color, but I do like the light aqua
>> blue/green color and already asked Analog to order me one in a 55.  I'm
>> really looking forward to riding a mixte!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>   Bummer about the stock paint colors  kinda same 'ol same 'ol.
>>> Good for Leah getting the Rosey Red !!!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Paul, I never knew that.



On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:35 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> Looks like Sachs carved the lugs for Bridgestone, which Grant couldn't get
> them to use. Grant then used them on his first Riv frames.
>
> '93 fax from Grant to Richard re: lug progress @ BS:
> https://www.richardsachs.com/a-fax-from-bridgestone/
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> Jan Heine blog mention, he also says there's more early Riv info in a BQ:
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/1995-rivendell-turning-the-tide/
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> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 12:09:35 AM UTC-4, Joel S wrote:
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>> Sachs did design the lugs for Rivendell.  Don’t know about the
>> Bridgestone part.
>>
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>>> Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up
>>> being used on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?
>>>
>>> –Eric N
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on
>>>
>>> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard
>>> has been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very
>>> familiar with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know
>>> who made the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an
>>> exclusive Sachs design.
>>>
>>> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make
>>> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame
>>> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is
>>> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th
>>> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>>>
>>> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen.
>>> I don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses
>>> lugs made by Allotec.
>>>
>>> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're
>>> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over
>>> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f
>>> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f."
>>>
>>> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other
>>> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns
>>> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them,
>>> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>>>
>>> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had
>>> to scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by
>>> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec.
>>>
>>> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure
>>> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>>>
>>> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many
>>> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many
>>> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the
>>> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're
>>> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to
>>> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>>>
>>> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s,
>>> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if
>>> those ever went into production.
>>>
>>> Paul Brodek
>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>
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>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:

 Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.

 Laing

 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe
> that they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
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> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com
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>> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at
>> the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:
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>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
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>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
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>> Hey Patrick,
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>> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the
>> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell,
>> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but
>> I've seen 'em before.
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>> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well.
>> Then the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had 

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Joel Stern]

Our rough frame delivery timeline

A lot of people have emailed asking what's coming when. Here's a rough
outline of what's coming in the next 7 months or so

   - Sam Hillbornes - around Halloween
   - Platypus frames - November
   - Appaloosas - early next year
   - Clem Ls - March or April
   - Charlie Gallops - sometime around Summer
   - Homers after that
   - Susie/Gus after that

Complete bikes are tricky nowadays; A lot of manufacturers were shut down
in the beginning of the pandemic and we're really feeling that gap in work
now. We have to be more flexible in what parts we pick on the completes and
you'll have to trust us to not pick anything bad. It'll likely get fancier
actually.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:31 AM Leah Peterson 
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> Hi Paul, the bikes are not completes, so you’ll get to choose your parts.
> The Platypus frames are supposed to arrive in November, or so the last
> newsletter said. There is rumored to be more news come this week, when the
> newsletter and BLAHG post are released.
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> I hope we all get one! Let’s clean them out of Platypuses. Platypuses on
> parade!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Joel Stern]

No clue but I know the Sams will be the end of Oct.  you can call or
email will, I think in his last email he may have made mention to a date.
If I find the email I will let you know.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Joel Stern]

You have to wait till they are on the site.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 10:34 AM ☆ Paul ☆  wrote:

> Hey all. How do we order one of these? Just don't see them on the Riv
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> Paul
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> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for in house bike stand/holder

[Joel Stern]

Well I need to stance and I ordered another one from a company that was
recommended in this thread. But I’m going to have to look at this Nitto one
because it does look good it just takes up a little more space it seems but
probably not too much and I do like the idea of being able to spin the
wheels while the bike is in the house and I’ll try to get upside down.
Please forgive my grammar as I dictated this

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 6:09 PM S. Greco  wrote:

> I ordered mine from Rene Herse - the non folding variety. I've never tried
> the folding one, but I wish I had bought this Nitto stand years ago. I
> rarely need a full work stand, but it's excellent to be able to adjust a
> derailleur while spinning the pedals/wheels securely and that stand fits
> just about anywhere, or just holds your bike up and looks nice.
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> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 12:46:33 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
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>> Those look nice.  Where did you find one?  I only see Ben’s and Rene
>> Herse.
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>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:06 PM S. Greco  wrote:
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>>> I bought a Nitto one recently and really love it. It is strong enough
>>> and also floats the rear wheel high enough to do simple drivetrain work.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 9:55:37 AM UTC-4 James / Analog
>>> Cycles wrote:
>>>
 Best I've used (and I have used Delta, Minoura, Feedback):
 https://uniorusa.com/products/floor-stand-1693h?_pos=1&_sid=57a1e46ee&_ss=r

 Here's our test:  we elevate expensive bikes on pedestals in the shop.
 They need to stay upright, more or less no matter what.  Kids, dogs, bikes
 bump into them.  These Unior stands are heavy, stable, easy to use, pretty
 affordable.  Highly adaptable: fat bikes, thru axles, it doesn't matter,
 that fork thing just works.   Stable without screwing it down, really
 insanely stable if you screw it to the floor or a board.

 -James / Analog Cycles
 On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:

> Thanks Robert.  I’d love to use a wall but I don’t have a clear one.
> I do have floor space.
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> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:39 PM Robert Hakim 
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>> I know you stated that you prefer a floor stand but I believe these
>> Velo hinges are worth consideration if you are able to lift your bike up.
>> Here 
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>> I live in a moderate size apartment and keep 6 bicycles reasonably
>> accessible between a floor stand and 2 hinges. I was concerned with the
>> weight of my off-road touring bike and was comforted by installing it so
>> the hook would flex and allow the rear wheel to rest on the floor, while
>> still able to pivot easily.
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>> wood to protect the paint from tire marks.
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>> Robert,
>> SLC, Ut
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>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-6 Joel wrote:
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>>> Cross posted on Bob.
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>>> I have the very old stands that Rivendell sold years ago, not very
>>> stable.  I’d like either 1 double or 2 single bike holders, floor style 
>>> to
>>> keep my bikes safe. Recommendations appreciated.  I’ve seen a few on 
>>> eBay
>>> and Amazon but thought it wise to check here before buying.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange Sam in the House

[Joel Stern]

Is that the 2019 Orange?  It looks very tame in your photo.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:32 PM Ash  wrote:

> Paul,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for in house bike stand/holder

[Joel Stern]

Those look nice.  Where did you find one?  I only see Ben’s and Rene Herse.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:06 PM S. Greco  wrote:

> I bought a Nitto one recently and really love it. It is strong enough and
> also floats the rear wheel high enough to do simple drivetrain work.
>
> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 9:55:37 AM UTC-4 James / Analog Cycles
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>> Best I've used (and I have used Delta, Minoura, Feedback):
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>>
>> Here's our test:  we elevate expensive bikes on pedestals in the shop.
>> They need to stay upright, more or less no matter what.  Kids, dogs, bikes
>> bump into them.  These Unior stands are heavy, stable, easy to use, pretty
>> affordable.  Highly adaptable: fat bikes, thru axles, it doesn't matter,
>> that fork thing just works.   Stable without screwing it down, really
>> insanely stable if you screw it to the floor or a board.
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles
>> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:44:18 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Robert.  I’d love to use a wall but I don’t have a clear one.  I
>>> do have floor space.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:39 PM Robert Hakim 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I know you stated that you prefer a floor stand but I believe these
 Velo hinges are worth consideration if you are able to lift your bike up.
 Here 

 I live in a moderate size apartment and keep 6 bicycles reasonably
 accessible between a floor stand and 2 hinges. I was concerned with the
 weight of my off-road touring bike and was comforted by installing it so
 the hook would flex and allow the rear wheel to rest on the floor, while
 still able to pivot easily.

 I do recommend mounting hook for the rear wheel to a small piece of
 wood to protect the paint from tire marks.

 Robert,
 SLC, Ut

 On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-6 Joel wrote:

> Cross posted on Bob.
>
> I have the very old stands that Rivendell sold years ago, not very
> stable.  I’d like either 1 double or 2 single bike holders, floor style to
> keep my bikes safe. Recommendations appreciated.  I’ve seen a few on eBay
> and Amazon but thought it wise to check here before buying.
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Re: [RBW] Back In The Riv Saddle With A '98 Custom Starck-Riv

[Joel Stern]

Sachs did design the lugs for Rivendell.  Don’t know about the Bridgestone
part.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:27 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Legend has it that Sachs designed lugs for Bridgestone that ended up being
> used on the first Road Standards. Any truth to that?
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>
> 
> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on
>
> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has
> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar
> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made
> the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs
> design.
>
> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make
> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame
> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is
> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th
> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway.
>
> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. I
> don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses
> lugs made by Allotec.
>
> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're
> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over
> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f
> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f."
>
> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other
> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns
> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them,
> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah.
>
> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had to
> scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by
> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec.
>
> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure
> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made.
>
> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many
> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many
> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the
> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're
> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to
> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik.
>
> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s,
> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if
> those ever went into production.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway.
>>> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe that
>>> they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at
 the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one:


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 On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek  wrote:

 Hey Patrick,

 My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the
 clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb shell,
 with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but
 I've seen 'em before.

 Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. Then
 the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten
 distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail.

 It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, made
 by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular problems. But
 over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures with
 these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe fell
 into a bad batch.

 Paul Brodek
 Hillsdale, NJ USA

 On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike
> sorted.
>
> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay
> lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Joel Stern]

Funny, I was told the 51cm had no changes.  We will soon find out.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ash  wrote:

> Riv staff.
>
> On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks
>>
>> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that
>>> surprises me.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>>>
 If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in
 top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size
 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.

 On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I
> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs
> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be
> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
> tube
> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and
> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm
> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
> Sam
> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm
> just postulating.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for in house bike stand/holder

[Joel Stern]

Nathan, those look great, thank you.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Nathan F  wrote:

> What we use at my shop:
> https://designbydelta.com/collections/bike-racks/products/adjustable-floor-stand
>
> I love the adaptability of it, literally and bike will work. We've used
> them for road and (increasingly) full suspension e-mtbs, which are
> extremely heavy. I've also found it to be the easiest rack to take bikes
> out of and correspondingly put bikes into, it only takes a second. You can
> also chain them together with an optional attachment to make a custom rack
> that'll fit all of your bikes.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for in house bike stand/holder

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Robert.  I’d love to use a wall but I don’t have a clear one.  I do
have floor space.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:39 PM Robert Hakim 
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> I know you stated that you prefer a floor stand but I believe these Velo
> hinges are worth consideration if you are able to lift your bike up.
> Here 
>
> I live in a moderate size apartment and keep 6 bicycles reasonably
> accessible between a floor stand and 2 hinges. I was concerned with the
> weight of my off-road touring bike and was comforted by installing it so
> the hook would flex and allow the rear wheel to rest on the floor, while
> still able to pivot easily.
>
> I do recommend mounting hook for the rear wheel to a small piece of wood
> to protect the paint from tire marks.
>
> Robert,
> SLC, Ut
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-6 Joel wrote:
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>> Cross posted on Bob.
>>
>> I have the very old stands that Rivendell sold years ago, not very
>> stable.  I’d like either 1 double or 2 single bike holders, floor style to
>> keep my bikes safe. Recommendations appreciated.  I’ve seen a few on eBay
>> and Amazon but thought it wise to check here before buying.
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Looking for in house bike stand/holder

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Thanks James, I’ll look.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM James Valiensi  wrote:

> Feedback sports has nice floor stands for storage. I use them.
>
> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Joel Stern  wrote:
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> David, not a work stand, not yet anyway. I want the bikes to be secure in
> my sunroom which is where I leave them during cycling season but the stands
> I have now are not at all secure, either too loose or too tight, I can
> adjust but they seem to not be good for either 42mm or 48mm tires. These
> use the front tire.
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>> Hi Joel
>> Are you talking a work stand or display stand. I have a couple of Nitto
>> display stands that are quite nice but designed for 120 or 126 rear hubs so
>> a bit of a wrestle to install. I also picked up a couple of Minoura stands
>> that are newer so more readily fit modern bikes. More convenient but
>> certainly a trade off on aesthetics.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Cross posted on Bob.
>>
>> I have the very old stands that Rivendell sold years ago, not very
>> stable.  I’d like either 1 double or 2 single bike holders, floor style to
>> keep my bikes safe. Recommendations appreciated.  I’ve seen a few on eBay
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Re: [RBW] Looking for in house bike stand/holder

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Ed, I was thinking of something like this or a floor stand. I will
take a look in a bit. I appreciate your input.

Joel

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:15 PM Ed Carolipio  wrote:

> I have the Feedback Velo Cache configured to carry 4 bikes:
> https://www.feedbacksports.com/product/velo-cache-black/
>
> Good points:
>
>- Free standing so no need to attach to anything, and from my
>experience very stable
>- Lightweight
>- Fit and finish are excellent
>- Rubber "grips" are sturdy and protect the paint finish on the top
>tube
>
> Downsides:
>
>- Pricey
>- (Potential) Unknown how well it'll work with double top tube Rivs
>- Need a top tube frame adapter for swoopy top tube frames(Clem L,
>Cheviot, Gus/Suzie)
>
>
> --Ed C.
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 10:59:50 AM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:
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>> Hi Joel
>> Are you talking a work stand or display stand. I have a couple of Nitto
>> display stands that are quite nice but designed for 120 or 126 rear hubs so
>> a bit of a wrestle to install. I also picked up a couple of Minoura stands
>> that are newer so more readily fit modern bikes. More convenient but
>> certainly a trade off on aesthetics.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Joel  wrote:
>>
>> Cross posted on Bob.
>>
>>
>> I have the very old stands that Rivendell sold years ago, not very
>> stable.  I’d like either 1 double or 2 single bike holders, floor style to
>> keep my bikes safe. Recommendations appreciated.  I’ve seen a few on eBay
>> and Amazon but thought it wise to check here before buying.
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Re: [RBW] Looking for in house bike stand/holder

[Joel Stern]

David, not a work stand, not yet anyway. I want the bikes to be secure in
my sunroom which is where I leave them during cycling season but the stands
I have now are not at all secure, either too loose or too tight, I can
adjust but they seem to not be good for either 42mm or 48mm tires. These
use the front tire.

Joel

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> Hi Joel
> Are you talking a work stand or display stand. I have a couple of Nitto
> display stands that are quite nice but designed for 120 or 126 rear hubs so
> a bit of a wrestle to install. I also picked up a couple of Minoura stands
> that are newer so more readily fit modern bikes. More convenient but
> certainly a trade off on aesthetics.
>
> David
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Joel  wrote:
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> Cross posted on Bob.
>
> I have the very old stands that Rivendell sold years ago, not very
> stable.  I’d like either 1 double or 2 single bike holders, floor style to
> keep my bikes safe. Recommendations appreciated.  I’ve seen a few on eBay
> and Amazon but thought it wise to check here before buying.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - 56cm green Rambouillet, close to pristine condition, $1450

[Joel Stern]

He never replied so I would say he is not interested.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:36 PM Joel  wrote:

>
> I have a friend in Ashville who may be interested.  Will let him know.
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 11:18:27 AM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am posting this for a friend who has been unable to ride for a number
>> of years and his Ram has been sitting unused in his garage.  It is "almost"
>> in almost pristine condition with very few miles. There are just a couple
>> of scratches on the top tube from a garage tip over. I've just ordered some
>> touch up paint for those.  Everything is in fantastic condition and the
>> bike is awesome. I've got an original orange Ram and I love these bikes!
>>
>> Here are the details:
>>
>> Rambouillet frame, 56 (cm center to top)
>> Noodle bars 44cm
>> Technomic stem - 11cm
>> Shimano levers and mid reach brakes
>> Shimano 9spd bar ends
>> Sugino crank 48/36/26, 170mm crank arms
>> Nitto seat post
>> Brooks Champion B17
>> Shimano Xt rear derailler
>> Shimano 105 front derailler
>> Shimano 105 hubs/Mavic Open Pro rims 32 spokes
>> 28mm Ruffy Tuffy tires (nearly new)
>> Shimano cassette - 12-32
>> Wellgo SPD/flat pedals
>>
>> The seat height in the pics is 74cm. There's room for 35 Compass Bon Jon
>> Pass tires. My friend would ideally like to avoid shipping so a sale within
>> a 100 mi radius from Asheville, NC would be ideal (he's willing to drive to
>> meet a buyer within that distance), but it would be an option if the buyer
>> would cover packing and shipping costs.
>>
>> Here's a link to a bunch more pics:
>> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0xJr1PPdJtSRx0
>>
>> Any questions please email me at:   glandwirth (at) mac (dot) com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gary
>> Asheville, NC
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Re: [RBW] Re: KOMA bike light or similar?

[Joel Stern]

Shipping is more than the light.  Where are they shipping from? $30+ for
shipping 1 light

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 2:57 PM Ray  wrote:

> Glad to hear they come so highly recommended here. I'll try to report back
> if I ever get a chance to test them myself. I send an email to jitensha
> about ordering but haven't heard back yet. I've never ordered from them
> before so no sure if that's normal. If that route doesn't work, I'll keep
> an eye on the ronsbikes website or get in touch with the man himself.
> Thanks, Benjamin and John for sharing!
>
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 11:13:07 AM UTC-5 John O'shea wrote:
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>> I've purchased a couple from Blue Lug and they're great lights but
>> shipping is a lot. Ultraromance's webstore   has
>> had these lights available there in the past shipping from CT I believe,
>> but it looks like he's currently out of stock. Might be worth emailing him
>> or messaging him on Instagram to see if he's going to restock anytime soon?
>>
>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:55:05 PM UTC-4 Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug are
>>> so closely tied, it might be appropriate.
>>>
>>> Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on
>>> the global site:
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html
>>>
>>> I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that
>>> most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me most
>>> of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light.
>>> I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, but
>>> I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the
>>> light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't
>>> always direct the light the way you might want.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just too
>>> much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd love
>>> to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my
>>> searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of you
>>> knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ray
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Joel Stern]

I had a hard time getting all the parts I needed for a recent build.  I
would buy what you can afford now just in case.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 10:11 PM Mark Roland 
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> You should start buying them 6 months ago.  I tried telling my local bike
> shop guy that (6 months ago),  to start stockpiling the basicsnope.
> He's out of almost everything, though he did manage to score some inner
> tubes from his Jamis dealer. He can't even get bottom brackets from the
> major distributors. Luckily Riv had the (2) 118s I needed fo build my
> Hubbuhubbahbubba.
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> On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 3:17:18 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
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>> I am starting to worry, however, about PARTS. Wouldn’t that be my luck?
>> Finally get my Riv mixte only to be unable to build it? Will discusses a
>> parts shortage in the newsletter. I’m wondering if we should start buying
>> them now...
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
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>> As the self-appointed CHG messenger bird:
>>
>> - Timeline as been pushed out (it seems) to next summer for delivery.
>> Pre-sale was previously set up for Nov - Jan range, not sure if this is
>> changing
>> - Brakes will be long-reach sidepull caliper brakes like the Homer etc.
>> Unfortunately IMO. Reasoning being that V-brakes are limiting for road
>> setups, but not sure what's wrong with canti's for those cases?
>>
>> I was 99% sure I would be buying one, but it has dipped to maybe 60% sure
>> now, since I recently bought a XO-2 that will fulfill the same role. I
>> imagine the CHG would ride like a Cadillac in comparison though.
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Re: [RBW] Frame Shipping

[Joel Stern]

Mathew, thanks, I prefer UPS over Fedex so good info. I think UPS is faster
as well, Fedex routes very strangely.

Joel

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> BikeFlights uses/ships through UPS, and I've been very happy with BF's
> service.
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> On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Joel  wrote:
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> Do you find ShipBike or BikeFlights better? There is a little difference
> in price sending a frame from one coast to the other, I just wonder if one
> is a better service, or do they both use fedex?
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> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: (2) Acorn bags-medium-original tan

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Dan, exactly what I need.  All great info, thanks all.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:09 PM Dan McNamara  wrote:

> Hi Joel,
>
> I also own both the Sackville and the Acorn bag. The Acorn can expand
> quite a bit aft from the pics and has an inner closure to keep the contents
> from spilling out. The shape and the side pockets are what makes the Acorn
> work better, for me at least. Shape has no thigh rub.  Side pockets are
> perfect for phone, wallet, small tools what could be tough to dig out.
>
> But either is a good choice.
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael CA
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> On Sep 16, 2020, at 12:39 PM, Joel Stern  wrote:
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> 
> Thanks Benz.  Seems like the Sackville May hold more, I thought it would
> be the opposite.  I am also considering this small Acorn.
>
> Which of the 2 do you like better?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Joel
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 2:32 PM Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA <
> benzouy...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Joel, I'm not Mike, but I have both the Acorn and Sackville. They're
>> about the same size in terms of capacity, but they are shaped differently.
>>
>> Pics are worth more than words, so here are some pics:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 7:32:11 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Mike, just a question, are these much bigger, the look it, than the
>>> banana bag?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 8:42:03 AM UTC-4, mike goldman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> both bags look brand new. ive never used them and there really isnt any
>>>> indication of use but i cant call them new
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> this is the original tan color not the newer ranger tan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (1 bag left pending payment)
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> $75 shipped each
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike goldman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rhode island
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Drink 1 Cup Before Bed, Watch Your Body Fat Melt Like Crazy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mayserve-magestor.com
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>>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5cc994014d77e14013c66st04duc
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

[Joel Stern]

On the previous numbers I was in the middle for a 51cm.  I didn’t think the
51 has changed in any way but now I am no longer in the middle with an 80.6
PBH.


On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 8:01 PM S  wrote:

> I admit to being picky, but then, I would guess this is true of most
> posters in the group. The shorter stays and trad end caps were part of why
> I was interested in the SH to begin with, so if my ideal geo happens to
> fall between sizes, that's just one more check on the "con" side. Again,
> yes, I am being picky, but these frames are $1500-1800. As I said, maybe
> the photos of the actual frames change my mind. That would be great.
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 5:13:11 AM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:
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>> The SH comes in five sizes, increments of 3cm from 48 to 60cm, so unless
>> a person is unusually tall or short, or has proportions that generally
>> "require" a custom geometry, I would think there is a sweet spot in there
>> for the 99 percent. I realize there are other parameters than just seat
>> tube length, but one would think the designer keeps that in mind. And of
>> course you have stem lengths, handlebar reach, seat post setback, saddle
>> rail length, all to fine tune a fit. I am thankful my sweet spot is fairly
>> big. We certainly live in a time of consumer "choice". The more "choices"
>> we have access to, the pickier we get! Human nature I suppose. (I put
>> "choice" in quotes because the choices we often have are not much of a
>> choice, in my opinion. For example, you can choose a blue car or a red one,
>> but for the vast majority, you must have a car to get along.)
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 6:12:16 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe the "slightly longer" stays are truly that. And maybe I could get
>>> over the ball and socket ends. I hope photos of the actual frame change my
>>> mind. In any case, more depends on whether or not one of the frame sizes
>>> happens to fit the sweet spot for me.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>>

 Thanks, I just pulled up the latest email, it got by me.

 “ The seattube sizes are slightly different this time. Here's the PBH
 range:

 48cm 650b = 77-80cm
 51cm 650b = 80-83cm
 54cm 700c = 84-86cm
 57cm 700c = 86-90cm
 60cm  700c = 89-94cm

 The changes from the last batch are minimal:

- Ball n socket seatlugs
- Slightly longer chainstays. The 60cm has the longest at 48.5cm.
They were too short before.

 It's compatible with all of our bars from Bosco to Noodles and is good
 for just about all reasonable riding.

 It's not a full blown trail bike like the Gus/Susie but it'll do just
 fine on most trails and isn't inappropriate on a road ride either if you're
 with like-minded people. You can stretch it into almost all types of riding
 outside of downhill, BMX and road racing.

 I used mine for Mt Diablo lunch rides with speedy Mark, one night
 camping trips on fairly mellow trails, and even unloaded, careful
 singletrack riding. Most of the time it was a fantastic commuter though.”
 On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM S  wrote:

> Yes, quite a few group members have called the SH the "perfect Riv,"
> or words to that effect, and I was set to buy one when they became
> available. No longer. I wish they had left well enough, or maybe even
> "perfect," alone. I agree variety would be nice -- I don't think chainstay
> length is as cut-and-dried a design decision as the latest email made it
> sound, "the chainstays were too short." There are always trade offs in 
> bike
> design and although I agree that *longish* stays are good, I think Riv has
> taken that idea a bit too far or, at least, applied it too widely. Of
> course, up to them. They dig it, I don't, no big deal, I will buy the 
> parts
> and tools instead.
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>>
>> S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on
>> the FB RBW site.  I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain the
>> same so we would have some variety.  I found an Orange Sam, new at a 
>> decent
>> price but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still
>>> plan to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.
>>>
>>> I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think
>>> this could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which 
>>> usually
>>> sell out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge
>>> from my tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball
>>> and socket seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools 
>>> give

Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

[Joel Stern]

Thanks, I just pulled up the latest email, it got by me.

“ The seattube sizes are slightly different this time. Here's the PBH range:

48cm 650b = 77-80cm
51cm 650b = 80-83cm
54cm 700c = 84-86cm
57cm 700c = 86-90cm
60cm  700c = 89-94cm

The changes from the last batch are minimal:

   - Ball n socket seatlugs
   - Slightly longer chainstays. The 60cm has the longest at 48.5cm. They
   were too short before.

It's compatible with all of our bars from Bosco to Noodles and is good for
just about all reasonable riding.

It's not a full blown trail bike like the Gus/Susie but it'll do just fine
on most trails and isn't inappropriate on a road ride either if you're with
like-minded people. You can stretch it into almost all types of riding
outside of downhill, BMX and road racing.

I used mine for Mt Diablo lunch rides with speedy Mark, one night camping
trips on fairly mellow trails, and even unloaded, careful singletrack
riding. Most of the time it was a fantastic commuter though.”
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM S  wrote:

> Yes, quite a few group members have called the SH the "perfect Riv," or
> words to that effect, and I was set to buy one when they became available.
> No longer. I wish they had left well enough, or maybe even "perfect,"
> alone. I agree variety would be nice -- I don't think chainstay length is
> as cut-and-dried a design decision as the latest email made it sound, "the
> chainstays were too short." There are always trade offs in bike design and
> although I agree that *longish* stays are good, I think Riv has taken that
> idea a bit too far or, at least, applied it too widely. Of course, up to
> them. They dig it, I don't, no big deal, I will buy the parts and tools
> instead.
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>>
>> S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on the
>> FB RBW site.  I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain the same
>> so we would have some variety.  I found an Orange Sam, new at a decent
>> price but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S  wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still
>>> plan to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.
>>>
>>> I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think this
>>> could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which usually sell
>>> out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge from my
>>> tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball and socket
>>> seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools give me a way
>>> to keep supporting them.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>


 I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like
 the Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of
 what I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers,
 pads open up wide past the frame).

 I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in
 person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The blueprint
 appears complicated though.

 Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must consider
 "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE friendly ! The
 kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite adjustabilty.

 V-brakes and "user friendly" ?  Nah ... what fun is that ? !!!



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Riv cantilever brakes

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S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on the FB
RBW site.  I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain the same so
we would have some variety.  I found an Orange Sam, new at a decent price
but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S  wrote:

> I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I still plan
> to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive.
>
> I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think this
> could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which usually sell
> out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to diverge from my
> tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have ball and socket
> seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools give me a way
> to keep supporting them.
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more like the
>> Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the boxes of what
>> I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in washers, pads
>> open up wide past the frame).
>>
>> I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them in
>> person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The blueprint
>> appears complicated though.
>>
>> Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must consider
>> "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE friendly ! The
>> kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. Infinite adjustabilty.
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Re: [RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

[Joel Stern]

When I was in grad school in St. Louis I learned to call that a St. Louis
stop.  Can’t believe they actually ticketed you vs. a warning.  Good luck
when this comes before a judge.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 10:01 AM Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
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> My wife, daughter, and I were coming back from a friends's house late one
> Sunday night this past February in Brooklyn. My daughter and I were on our
> Xtracycle and my wife was on her bike. Two cops pulled all three of us over
> for running a red light—it was 10p and no cars on the road and we did an
> Idaho stop (slowed down, looked all ways, and took a right on red, which is
> illegal in NYC). The cops were adamant that they were pulling us over for
> our own safety b/c there had been a spate of bicycle-car collisions in the
> neighborhood recently. I mouthed off about that being cars' fault rather
> than cyclists'. The cops were pretty much mum but still gave both my wife
> and I summonses that totaled about $490. (I sarcastically asked why they
> weren't giving my daughter one too; probably not a good look but I was
> pretty upset at the ridiculousness of the situation.) We're currently
> appealing and b/c of covid the case has been pushed back to next March. So
> it will be over a year since the actual incident. Fingers crossed the judge
> will throw it out or at least reduce it.
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 8:00:10 AM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
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>> I slow down always and stop when I cannot see far enough.  I find most
>> but not all drivers waive me through and are pretty considerate.  Then
>> there are those that have to beat a bike at a 4 way stop.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 PM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>>
>>> I was stopped once for blowing a stop sign in a wealthy “hills“
>>> neighborhood of Alexandria, Virginia. I was pretty peeved even though I was
>>> “only” given a warning.
>>>
>>> I stop at stop signs now, at least sufficiently to avoid another
>>> situation like that.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>>
 Perfect.


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Re: [RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

[Joel Stern]

I slow down always and stop when I cannot see far enough.  I find most but
not all drivers waive me through and are pretty considerate.  Then there
are those that have to beat a bike at a 4 way stop.

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> I was stopped once for blowing a stop sign in a wealthy “hills“
> neighborhood of Alexandria, Virginia. I was pretty peeved even though I was
> “only” given a warning.
>
> I stop at stop signs now, at least sufficiently to avoid another situation
> like that.
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> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
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>> Perfect.
>>
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>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:28 PM Fullylugged  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

[Joel Stern]

Perfect.


On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:28 PM Fullylugged 
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Re: [RBW] Sackville Banana Sack

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I use the Kevin’s bad, predecessor to the XS I believe.  I sold all of my
banana bags and now find I need room for a camera and windbreaker.  Always
well made.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:18 PM Roberta  wrote:

> They are really nicely made bags, aren’t they?  I really liked my xs
> saddle sack and used it for three years before I recently traded for a
> banana sax, for just a little more room to Fit jacket and gloves. Mine came
> with a flap to hold items inside in in case of a fall or to be able to
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Re: [RBW] Re: Trade 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Collin.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:42 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Oh no! What prompted the departure of the new Atlantis? Good luck with the
> trade, worst case you could always sell the frame and pickup a new Sam next
> month.
>
> Collin in Sacramento
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> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 12:29:50 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
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>> New, ridden 3 times 50cm Atlantis for 51cm Sam.
>>
>> The Atlantis has had  framesaver applied by me.
>>
>> I only need the frame and fork, headset, BB.
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>> We can discuss some parts if you’d like.
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Araya 27x 1 1/4 alloy rim for a friend.

[Joel Stern]

I forwarded your message to my buddy.  At this point I am not sure what he
is going to do. I know he did not want priests for this bike.  If he is
interested I will get back to you, that is if he let’s me know.

Thank you Laing.

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On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:51 AM lconley  wrote:

> I PM'd but I don't think it went through.
> I have a pair of wheels with 27 x 1-1/4 Araya alloy rims. The hubs are
> Raleigh sealed bearing, The rims also have Raleigh stickers on them. They
> are Presta stem style rims. They have a little vertical (~10mm - 3/8")
> extension around the valve hole penetration at the rim - I assume to keep
> the valve stem perpendicular to the rim. I have never seen another rim with
> them. They seem to be in good condition.
>
> Laing
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> On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 12:40:30 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
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>> Thanks.  I forgot to mention he wants 36 hole.  I believe he wants a
>> rear.  I think he is using a 5 speed FW.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 12:33 PM lconley  wrote:
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>>> I think that I have a set of wheels with these. I will look this weekend.
>>>
>>> Laing
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>>>
>>> On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 12:27:46 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>>>
 Please let me know if you have something.  I told him not to get his
 hopes up. It’s for his errand bike.

 Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Mike, I was wondering as it looked orange like.  I will look on my
computer.



On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 12:38 AM velomann  wrote:

>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-sam-hillborne-2020
>
> On this page there's a photo of a hand holding a tube painted the "Dark
> Gold" color. It's pretty orange-y looking ;-)
>
> Mike M
>
>
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>
>> Riv is not listing them other than saying blue and dark gold.  Have you
>> seen a sample of the dark gold? I was hoping for Orange again.  Is the
>> price to remain the same?  Thanks
>> Joel
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:07 PM velomann  wrote:
>>
>>> Russ's videos, and his enthusiasm for the Sam (he did decide to buy it)
>>> pushed me over the edge and I put my deposit down 2 weeks ago with Golden
>>> pliers for a 51cm Sam H in the Dark Gold. I've been a Riv fanboy and
>>> occasional presence on this list for years, but this will actually be my
>>> own first Rivendell. I've owned (and sold) several Bridgestones, I had (and
>>> wrecked) an Ocean Air Cycles Rambler. I just recently took delivery of a
>>> custom Bantam disc brake sport tourer to replace the Rambler. And in the
>>> Portland bike community I'm involved with it's only a slight exageration
>>> when I say All My Friends Have Rivendells. Like Russ I've given the
>>> Rivendell treatment to several of my bikes, but it's time to go all in for
>>> the real deal. Part of my thinking is also a bit of a pendulum swing back
>>> to rim brakes, encouraged by Russ's review, as well as some comments Ron
>>> (Ultraromance) made about his Atlantis with Canti brakes on the GDMBR when
>>> Russ interviewed him a few months ago.
>>> Another bonus is that adding the Sam will actually reduce my stable.
>>> Part of my decision was "what bikes will this replace?" So I sold the 89
>>> MB-2 drop-bar conversion, the BS Mile 112 is currently listed, and the Trek
>>> 750 is about to go as soon as I swap out the Albatross bars (going on the
>>> Sam). Also the Trek 930 650b conversion - back to 26" and on to Craigslist
>>> (the wheels were from the Rambler and will go on the Sam). Same with the
>>> Specialized Crossroads - that was going to be my next project, but there's
>>> no need now. So, add 1 bike, sell 5.
>>> Also, the place-hold for the new Sams is up on the Riv site. Will told
>>> me a couple week ago that they were already short on the 51's due to Blue
>>> Lug snagging a bunch. So if you're considering and on the fence, I suggest
>>> getting your name in quick.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 10:42:40 PM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:

 I love Path Less Pedaled!!! Great stuff on his Sam and I can't wait to
 see what modifications he makes to it (he threw drops on it yesterday, it
 looks like on Instagram!)

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> I don't know what the reader/viewer overlap between the Riv list and
> the Path Less Pedaled list is like, outside of Michael Mann and myself, 
> but
> damn am I excited by this!
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CDccdhYHoFU/?igshid=phskilu88qw3
> (Link is to their Instagram, I'm mobile right know so you may have to
> copy and paste, apologies)
>
> Anyone know what model this is?
>
> For those unfamiliar, Russ and his partner at Path Less Pedaled do a
> lot of great bike reviews, videos and interviews with Industry folk "on 
> the
> supple side" of cycling, i.e.; they're into non race oriented stuff. Worth
> your time, I think.
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> Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Path Less Pedaled will review a Riv!

[Joel Stern]

Riv is not listing them other than saying blue and dark gold.  Have you
seen a sample of the dark gold? I was hoping for Orange again.  Is the
price to remain the same?  Thanks
Joel

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> Russ's videos, and his enthusiasm for the Sam (he did decide to buy it)
> pushed me over the edge and I put my deposit down 2 weeks ago with Golden
> pliers for a 51cm Sam H in the Dark Gold. I've been a Riv fanboy and
> occasional presence on this list for years, but this will actually be my
> own first Rivendell. I've owned (and sold) several Bridgestones, I had (and
> wrecked) an Ocean Air Cycles Rambler. I just recently took delivery of a
> custom Bantam disc brake sport tourer to replace the Rambler. And in the
> Portland bike community I'm involved with it's only a slight exageration
> when I say All My Friends Have Rivendells. Like Russ I've given the
> Rivendell treatment to several of my bikes, but it's time to go all in for
> the real deal. Part of my thinking is also a bit of a pendulum swing back
> to rim brakes, encouraged by Russ's review, as well as some comments Ron
> (Ultraromance) made about his Atlantis with Canti brakes on the GDMBR when
> Russ interviewed him a few months ago.
> Another bonus is that adding the Sam will actually reduce my stable. Part
> of my decision was "what bikes will this replace?" So I sold the 89 MB-2
> drop-bar conversion, the BS Mile 112 is currently listed, and the Trek 750
> is about to go as soon as I swap out the Albatross bars (going on the Sam).
> Also the Trek 930 650b conversion - back to 26" and on to Craigslist (the
> wheels were from the Rambler and will go on the Sam). Same with the
> Specialized Crossroads - that was going to be my next project, but there's
> no need now. So, add 1 bike, sell 5.
> Also, the place-hold for the new Sams is up on the Riv site. Will told me
> a couple week ago that they were already short on the 51's due to Blue Lug
> snagging a bunch. So if you're considering and on the fence, I suggest
> getting your name in quick.
>
> Mike M
>
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>>
>> I love Path Less Pedaled!!! Great stuff on his Sam and I can't wait to
>> see what modifications he makes to it (he threw drops on it yesterday, it
>> looks like on Instagram!)
>>
>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 10:55:33 PM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know what the reader/viewer overlap between the Riv list and the
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>>> damn am I excited by this!
>>>
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/CDccdhYHoFU/?igshid=phskilu88qw3
>>> (Link is to their Instagram, I'm mobile right know so you may have to
>>> copy and paste, apologies)
>>>
>>> Anyone know what model this is?
>>>
>>> For those unfamiliar, Russ and his partner at Path Less Pedaled do a lot
>>> of great bike reviews, videos and interviews with Industry folk "on the
>>> supple side" of cycling, i.e.; they're into non race oriented stuff. Worth
>>> your time, I think.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Brett in PDX
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Thank you Patrick.

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> Congrats, Joel! Sounds like you're getting it dialed in. I agree with your
> observations on the wheelbase difference being nearly unnoticeable. I ride
> a Quickbeam and a Gus that are on yet more extreme polar ends of the Riv
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> extreme climbing or rock dancing where I have to account for the greater
> difference in the turn arcs of Gus; and 2) riding 20 miles frequently,
> 1/3rd each paved, dirt road, and technical single track, my time of arrival
> is within a minute of each other time and time again. When I track the
> times by surface, the QB wins the roads, Gus wins the single track, and
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Joel Stern]

Typo, Homer.  Damn iPad.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 7:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

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> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 3:37 PM Joel  wrote:
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>> The new ones are canti’s I think? Did Riv make other changes?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Joel Stern]

The current ones use cantilevers, the Hoper uses dude pulls.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Araya 27x 1 1/4 alloy rim for a friend.

[Joel Stern]

Garth, thank you, I forwarded the info.  He will call to make sure it is
alloy, it does not say.
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>https://www.amazon.com/ARAYA-Lp-60-27X1-1-36H-Silver/dp/B07NJ3FGCV
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Araya 27x 1 1/4 alloy rim for a friend.

[Joel Stern]

Thank you, he will measure his rear spacing later today.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Araya 27x 1 1/4 alloy rim for a friend.

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Thanks.  I forgot to mention he wants 36 hole.  I believe he wants a rear.
I think he is using a 5 speed FW.

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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Ed, 650b

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:39 PM Ed Fausto  wrote:

> Hi Joel,
> Nice Atlantis build.
> By the way, did you get the 650b or 26" version of your 50 Atlantis?
> I could not guess based on the pictures :-)
> Ed
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 11:11 AM Joel  wrote:
>
>>
>> I should have done a build list so here it is, and a dark picture after
>> some tweaks.
>>
>> Sugino Triple, sold to me at an outrageously low price by a list member.
>>
>> CX 50 Shimano cantilever brakes, given to me by a list member.
>>
>> Hubs:  Rear NOS Suntour Superbe Pro rear paired for now with a 13-28 6
>> speed FW (almost new)
>> Front NOS Suntour XC Comp
>> Rims: Velocity Atlas, built by Peter White
>>
>> Derailluers: NOS Suntour X1 front, NOS Suntour XCE longcage rear
>>
>> Tires are the Rene Here 48mm with a funny name, I think
>> Switchback..
>>
>> Suntour bar end shifters that were my last pair.
>>
>> Suntour Expert (I think), Brake Levers
>>
>> Albatross CroMo bars, no Aluminum around when I was buying parts.
>>
>> MKS Sylvan Touring pedals
>>
>> Nitto 9cm stem, 2 bolt seat post.
>>
>> Bar tape yet to be done Newbaums Taupe, then some amber shellac
>>
>> Suntour Skewers, another list member find.
>>
>> My old nitto rack won’t fit but I have plans for it.
>>
>> Brooks B17, and yes these new ones are much thinner. Since I am a
>> lightweight it should be fine and comfortable already.
>>
>> No plan for fenders but a rack is on my mind, I have to find out what
>> will work.
>>
>> I think that is it...  oh, a bell as always.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 4:03:18 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make
>>> tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he
>>> wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as
>>> I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him
>>> loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I
>>> stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant,
>>> that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The
>>> bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with
>>> that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but
>>> higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my
>>> hands were hurting.
>>>
>>> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not
>>> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are
>>> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot,
>>> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I
>>> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot.
>>>
>>> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part
>>> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.
>>>
>>> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief
>>> treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation
>>> but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.
>>>
>>> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will
>>> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length
>>> seems good, and  put a rear rack on.
>>>
>>> More to come I am sure.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Roberta.  The Atlantis is very nice, different for me as I missed
when Riv started with the longer chainstays.  I wanted an Appaloosa but the
standover is slightly more and I went with fit, same with Homer vs. Sam,
the Sam May be a tad better fit, it may be similar   to my Bleriot but fit
better but I am not sure I want to part with the Bleriot and 2 bikes is
enough for me.

My knee is now 2 years but it has been slow to heal up, still have
stiffness but riding has given me my thighs and calves back, that made my
wife happy.  I know that riding has made the knee better, talked to the doc
about it yesterday on the 2 year visit.  Everyone heals differently and I
will do about anything to avoid getting the left one done, not any fun for
me.

Thanks for your feedback,

Joel



On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:56 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I'm so glad your first Atlantis ride was a positive one for you and the
> bike, but not for your now ex-mechanic.  The very first Riv I tried was an
> Atlantis and it was such an "OMG" experience.  It is an awesome bike and
> and I hope you get lots of miles from it and your new knee.  Love it with
> the saddle color and matching XS saddle sack.
>
> My Joe A. rides similar to your Atlantis.  I did test a Sam and as I
> recall, it rode different enough to notice.   I would say that the Joe A
> and the one time I rode the Atlantis felt more like Leah's Clem H and Clem
> L than it did to the Sam.  I know you're looking for a second bike, and I
> have the feeling the Sam will fit what you're looking for and will make a
> nice compliment to your Atlantis.
>
> Roberta
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> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:48:43 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Jason.  I’m not in a hurry but I do like to go for rides where it
>> is not casual, if you know what I mean.  I just did a ton of measurements.
>> I was spoiled as my old bike guy had all my numbers written down and my
>> tweaking was always minimal.  I gave this guy, a nice guy, mu seat height,
>> how high I like the bars over the saddle, He even measured where the brake
>> lever were placed on the albatross on the Bleriot.  All were off.  Now it
>> really is my fault, I should have checked before I rode, so now I have the
>> saddle and bar height correct and only minor tweaking will be needed.
>>
>> I was really surprised by how much the bar sloped vs the Bleriot, but in
>> a few rides I should have it nailed down.
>>
>> The steering is slower, or less sensitive, what I wanted, so that pleases
>> me.
>>
>> I believe in a few more rides I will have it dialed in.
>>
>> Joel
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:41 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't doubt it feels quite a bit slower!  But I bet it will ride so
>>> much better with a load than the Bleriot.  I'm amazed just how much slower
>>> my Clem is vs. my Hillborne. It's a huge difference, well beyond tires, and
>>> honestly it's kind of surprising. I imagine the Atlantis is closer to the
>>> Clem than the Hillborne. Certainly made to achieve different goals though.
>>> That build is gorgeous looking and looks like a great all-rounder as long
>>> as you're not in too much of a hurry.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Doug, I think it is very similar to the one I have and it lists liters,
etc.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:05 PM dougP  wrote:

> Thanks Joel.  I love Acorn's stuff & have one of their early rando bags.
> Great construction.  But their smallest saddlebag was a bit larger than I
> wanted, so the Sackville may be just the way to go.  The measurements help
> a lot.  I'll dig into it.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>
>> Doug, thanks.  The bag is what was called the Kevin bag years ago.  I
>> sold a new one some years back on the forum.  I think the Sackville small
>> bag is basically the same.  I don’t know how many liters but it is smaller
>> than the Acorn small bag.
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130
>>
>> The measurements are a bit different but close.  Mine is 7W x 4.5 D X 4
>> 1/4 H
>> That is without stuffing, you can push it a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> Joel:
>>>
>>> Great looking bike & I know you'll enjoy it.  I too have an Atlantis &
>>> it's my 95% of riding.  BTW, what is that saddlebag?  I'm looking for
>>> something that's small & tidy like that, just for spare, tools, lock, just
>>> the small stuff.  Do you know how many liters it is?
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:

 The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make
 tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he
 wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as
 I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him
 loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I
 stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant,
 that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The
 bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with
 that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but
 higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my
 hands were hurting.

 The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed,
 not twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires
 are 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the
 Bleriot, longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much
 longer.  I could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on
 the Bleriot.

 It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think
 part of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.

 I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief
 treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation
 but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.

 So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will
 work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length
 seems good, and  put a rear rack on.

 More to come I am sure.

 Joel


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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Joel Stern]

I like the Sam H a lot, if I do decide to sell the Bleriot I would want a
Sam because from all I have gathered it would be a great fit in 51cm for
me.  The Homer May be a tad taller from I information I have gathered from
a forum member.  Also, nice to have one with a shorter chainstays as well.

All great bikes though.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I do sometimes wonder if I shouldn't have went with the Homer for the
> lighter tubing, but the Sam is by no means sluggish or heavy feeling for
> having the stouter tubes of the two. I have mine built up pretty
> lightweight (for what it is), it's around 27 lbs with accessories but no
> bags. I came off a very light tubing bike, the Soma Grand Rando, and the
> Hillborne doesn't feel much slower to be honest, if at all!  It's
> definitely smoother, which is surprising given the stronger tubing. I think
> the geo just puts me in the perfect place between the wheels.
>
> I do long distance road rides on the Hillborne and while it might do me
> well to have a bit of a lighter tubed bike in those cases, it's really nice
> to be able to also strap a bunch of weight to the same bike (or ride rough
> roads and trails) without worry!  I do these rides with people on full road
> bikes sometimes and I don't feel the bike holds me back more than maybe
> 3%.
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Doug, thanks.  The bag is what was called the Kevin bag years ago.  I sold
a new one some years back on the forum.  I think the Sackville small bag is
basically the same.  I don’t know how many liters but it is smaller than
the Acorn small bag.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130

The measurements are a bit different but close.  Mine is 7W x 4.5 D X 4 1/4
H
That is without stuffing, you can push it a bit.



On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM dougP  wrote:

> Joel:
>
> Great looking bike & I know you'll enjoy it.  I too have an Atlantis &
> it's my 95% of riding.  BTW, what is that saddlebag?  I'm looking for
> something that's small & tidy like that, just for spare, tools, lock, just
> the small stuff.  Do you know how many liters it is?
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>
>> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make
>> tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he
>> wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as
>> I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him
>> loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I
>> stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant,
>> that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The
>> bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with
>> that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but
>> higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my
>> hands were hurting.
>>
>> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not
>> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are
>> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot,
>> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I
>> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot.
>>
>> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part
>> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.
>>
>> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief
>> treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation
>> but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.
>>
>> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will
>> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length
>> seems good, and  put a rear rack on.
>>
>> More to come I am sure.
>>
>> Joel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Joe.  Three color is much nicer in person than on the Riv site (just
my opinion).

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 6:02 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> That's a good looking bike, Joel! I love the way the Atlantis color pops
> in the sun.
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
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>> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make
>> tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he
>> wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as
>> I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him
>> loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I
>> stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant,
>> that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The
>> bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with
>> that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but
>> higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my
>> hands were hurting.
>>
>> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not
>> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are
>> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot,
>> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I
>> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot.
>>
>> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part
>> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.
>>
>> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief
>> treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation
>> but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.
>>
>> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will
>> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length
>> seems good, and  put a rear rack on.
>>
>> More to come I am sure.
>>
>> Joel
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Jason.  I’m not in a hurry but I do like to go for rides where it is
not casual, if you know what I mean.  I just did a ton of measurements.  I
was spoiled as my old bike guy had all my numbers written down and my
tweaking was always minimal.  I gave this guy, a nice guy, mu seat height,
how high I like the bars over the saddle, He even measured where the brake
lever were placed on the albatross on the Bleriot.  All were off.  Now it
really is my fault, I should have checked before I rode, so now I have the
saddle and bar height correct and only minor tweaking will be needed.

I was really surprised by how much the bar sloped vs the Bleriot, but in a
few rides I should have it nailed down.

The steering is slower, or less sensitive, what I wanted, so that pleases
me.

I believe in a few more rides I will have it dialed in.

Joel
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:41 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I don't doubt it feels quite a bit slower!  But I bet it will ride so much
> better with a load than the Bleriot.  I'm amazed just how much slower my
> Clem is vs. my Hillborne. It's a huge difference, well beyond tires, and
> honestly it's kind of surprising. I imagine the Atlantis is closer to the
> Clem than the Hillborne. Certainly made to achieve different goals though.
> That build is gorgeous looking and looks like a great all-rounder as long
> as you're not in too much of a hurry.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Joel Stern]

Rich, speed is not important, I want the most stable and comfortable ride
with a bike that fits the best.  You have given me great info, thanks. Ride
report on the Atlantis should be later today.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM R Shannon  wrote:

> Joel,
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> I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference
> between the two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have
> identical setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale).
> It also feels a touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.
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> From the last Riv catalog:
> “Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but
> the Sam and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”
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> Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or ride
> dirt now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”
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> Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel
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> Rich in ATL
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>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same
>> TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing
>> is now the same.
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>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or
>>> AHH. This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring
>>> and some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar.
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>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
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>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
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