Mu PBH is a tad over 80.5 and a 51 is fine, but I am at the low end of the range, any less PBH and I would be on the 48. At 83 PBH I think a 51 would be perfect.
My Sam is a 51 and it is fitted with 48mm tires, no fenders. I prefer the shorter chainstays but everyone of us will have our own bias. Good luck, beautiful country, riding must be a blast. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 8:08 PM Philip Barrett <philiprbarr...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's Scotland. Guaranteed to be wet & muddy. > > My PBH is a lofty 82cm so I'd be in a 51 methinks? > > And thanks again for all the input here folks. > > On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:18:35 PM UTC-6 Justin wrote: > >> Tire size limitation is really what it comes down to I figure. I didn't >> see where you'd mentioned the size bike you ride so not sure if you'd be >> 650b or 700cc on the bikes mentioned, apologies if I've just missed it. >> I've had both the Sam and the Appaloosa, and rode them together for about a >> year before I sold the Sam primarily because of tire size limitations. Not >> that there's anything wrong with the Sam's max of 700x48 (I did squeeze >> some 700x50 Gravel King SK in there with just a faint hint of rub when >> cornering) but with my riding opportunities, road riding only happens when >> commuting or to get to and from trails, never for getting out on the >> pavement and seeing how far and fast I can go. So the bigger the tire the >> better IMHO and there was just too much crossover between the two bikes to >> keep both when I found myself riding the Appaloosa more just because I like >> the bigger tires. 700x2.25 currently. >> >> I ride the Appaloosa on MTB trails quite often when I don't feel like >> taking my hardtail. I was watching some youtube vids a couple weeks ago of >> people riding the West Highland Way route and wondered if I'd take the >> Appaloosa or the hard tail on that route. I'm still undecided but I can say >> if was going to be wet and muddy I'd always go with the disc braked hard >> tail for wet stopping efficiency and the extra tire clearance. When the mud >> gets caked up in the brakes, stays and forks that little tire clearance on >> the Rivendell will diminish quickly especially with rim brakes. Whoah >> everybody, take it easy. I love rim brakes too, more even, but that doesn't >> change the truth. I made the mistake a couple weeks of not considering the >> possible mud on the trail and rubbed paint down to metal at the brakes on >> all 6 stays and fork blades. I was also pushing the limits by running 2.25 >> tires so YMMV. >> >> Hope that helps a little >> >> [image: 50764349577_7e636d061b_z[1].jpg] >> [image: 50763500228_66ba376006_z[1].jpg] >> [image: 50763501383_9d0ef1f75f_z[1].jpg] >> [image: 50763502108_278969ea4d_z[1].jpg] >> >> >> >> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 3:09:10 PM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote: >> >>> Philip, >>> >>> If you don’t need tires bigger than 700x48, the Sam Hillborne can do >>> anything and feels fastest of the Rivs I ride (Ram, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, >>> Quickbeam.) >>> >>> In theory, the Ram should feel fastest and maybe is, but my comfort with >>> Albatross handlebar and the bigger tires for the mixed terrains has me >>> happier for longer on the Hillborne. I might psychologically covert that to >>> “feeling faster” over the long haul. >>> >>> Hillbornes are amazing. But the question of tire size limitation is key. >>> >>> -Jimmy >>> >>> >>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Lester Lammers <lester....@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I see that James at Analog Cycles, a Riv dealer, also has Kona bikes. >>> Given the images above, I'd email him before you decide. My 2 cents. >>> >>> https://analogcycles.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:47:26 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Still chewing on this cud! When I spoke to Riv they recommended the >>>> Appaloosa too, however isn't that more touring orientated (per Riv's own >>>> website)? Forgive the stock photos but these are the actual trails I will >>>> be riding in addition to the A roads thru farm tracks. >>>> >>>> [image: xcampervan-scotland-306.jpg] >>>> [image: 5-of-the-Best-Wild-Mountain-Bike-Rides-in-Scotland-1.jpg] >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Welcome to the group, Philip! >>>>> >>>>> Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper >>>>> was the modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports >>>>> car--it was wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone >>>>> with a spirited style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding >>>>> style had changed. >>>>> >>>>> When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A. >>>>> Homer Hilsen, the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam >>>>> had >>>>> a light "road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis >>>>> felt >>>>> like heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a >>>>> build, >>>>> but then I found a complete ride-ready Appaloosa so I sold the Stumpjumper >>>>> and the Atlantis. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't fully appreciate the Appaloosa's design until I rode it >>>>> immediately after riding the Stumpjumper--of the two, I much prefer the >>>>> Appaloosa's cruiser-like ride to the Stumpjumper's dirt-bike quickness. >>>>> The >>>>> Appaloosa's ride is perfect for my nearly-upright style of running >>>>> errands, >>>>> and long-distance rides on roads and dirt. I'm also tall, with long legs, >>>>> so the Appaloosa's longer wheelbase and lower center of gravity are >>>>> welcome >>>>> upgrades from the sporty bikes I rode in my younger days. >>>>> >>>>> Ultimately I think you'll be happy with the Appaloosa, AHH, Sam, or >>>>> Atlantis for the rides you're describing. Please keep us posted, and send >>>>> photos--the west coast of Scotland sounds like a fantastic trip! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Philip Barrett <philipr...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson >>>>> bike already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested >>>>> in >>>>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is >>>>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & >>>>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. 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