Re: [RBW] Re: Stubby Front Derailleur with a triple crank?

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, Bill. Friction it is. And reasonable ambitions for how the pie is
to be sliced.

rod

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 5:42 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Rod
>
> If I wanted to make the skeleton key FD work with a triple, I'd run a
> 44/34/24 crankset, and a friction shifter.  I'm pretty confident that would
> work.
>
> Whatever delta there is between your largest chainring and your smallest
> chainring, the bigger that delta, the less likely it will work to your
> liking.  I would not bet on it working with an indexed front shifter.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:19:54 PM UTC-7 Rod Holland wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering if the Stubby Skeleton Key front derailleur offered by Riv
>> will work with triple cranks and shifters? 3x9, hopefully. 3x10? If it will
>> work with a triple, any guidelines for success-prone configurations?
>>
>> This isn't directly addressed in the product copy on the Riv site, except
>> "This will work with all Silver cranks."
>>
>> rod
>>
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[RBW] Stubby Front Derailleur with a triple crank?

[Rod Holland]

I'm wondering if the Stubby Skeleton Key front derailleur offered by Riv 
will work with triple cranks and shifters? 3x9, hopefully. 3x10? If it will 
work with a triple, any guidelines for success-prone configurations?

This isn't directly addressed in the product copy on the Riv site, except 
"This will work with all Silver cranks."

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Patrick, "torque did the trick", words to live by.

rod

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:59:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Unhappy with the excessively upright position of the North Road bar 
> (steel) on my second, this one 5-speed, Raleigh Sprite, I flipped the bar 
> for a more comfortable position, only to find that, with more weight on the 
> bar, it would slip in the clamp when I hit bumps. I stopped at a bike shop 
> (WDC, Dupont Circle area, circa 1986; does any recall the name?) and 
> plaintively described the problem to the first mechanic I saw, a burly guy. 
> He took a look and said, "We can fix that," then walked back to the 
> workbench and picked up a huge crescent wrench. He torqued the hex-head 
> clamp bolt and yep, it never slipped again.
>
> Again, all steel, bar, stem, and bar clamp bolt; but torque did the trick.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:38 AM Rod Holland  wrote:
>
>> Garth, amen! Archimedes is our friend...
>>
>> rod
>>
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[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Paul, I always did wonder what motivated the bullmoose architecture...

rod

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:53:40 AM UTC-4 Paul M wrote:

> When all else fails there is the bomb proof bullmoose style handlebar
>
> On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 05:57:23 UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I had that same issue with Bosco bars on a Clem H. I tightened the bolt 
>> really tight and they still slipped then I tightened them a little tighter, 
>> more than I thought I should to the point that I thought surely something 
>> would bend. And that last creak of tightening did the trick. 
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 5:44:52 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Hooray Rod !   Leverage is a wonderful thing isn't it ? 
>>>
>>> Sure, 4 bolt stems are easy-er to get tight(also to mess up), but I get 
>>> that many people still like the style of the Nitto road stems. While I too 
>>> found myself thinking "those bars are too long for that style of stem", in 
>>> reality that's not the case as bikes have had way-back bars of many variety 
>>> since the bicycle has existed and they all had single bolt stems. Picture a 
>>> basic 50's style cruiser with bars that went waaay back and wide on single 
>>> bolt stems. 
>>>
>>> Having used multi-speed freewheels and Specialized/Campy hubs since 
>>> forever I got by removing the 12-28t variety with a seeming puny 10" 
>>> Crescent wrench until I got some Phil Wood hubs and larger 13-32t 
>>> freewheels. Those were a whole lot more difficult. I finally wised up and 
>>> bought a 24" breaker bar which makes removing them and bottom brackets 
>>> joyously easy. With that longer lever also comes it's judicious application 
>>> of force, often a lighter touch than you may think. Longer levers don't 
>>> *have* to be used the full length all the time, like a baseball bat you 
>>> can choke up as needed. Sometimes you swing for the fences, so to speak, 
>>> sometimes just to clear the shortstops reach. Same lever, many 
>>> applications. Always fun ! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:03:55 AM UTC-4 Rod Holland wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, after reading all the replies here, and finding previous threads on 
>>>> the same subject from 2018, I reached into a package of Hobson-Zingo Allen 
>>>> keys, recently purchased from Rivendell through some sort of bicycle 
>>>> karma, 
>>>> and pulled out a 6mm wrench with a 7" lever that was longer than any other 
>>>> 6mm tool within reach. I used that to loosen the Billie bars in the 
>>>> Technomic stem, repositioned the bars, then tightened them in place, using 
>>>> the leverage to maximum effect.
>>>> [image: PXL_20220516_212908672.MP.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> The bars seemed secure (of course, that was also true before the first 
>>>> time they rotated, but time will tell). I took the Appaloosa out for a 
>>>> 20-mile shakedown ride, made sure I did a few things to challenge the 
>>>> handlebars, and was pleased with the fact that they seemed rock steady. 
>>>> Had 
>>>> a good ride, but came home and ordered a faceplate stem and a tube of 
>>>> carbon paste, just in case. And that Hobson-Zingo key is at least 
>>>> temporarily seconded to the Appaloosa's bag. Thanks to everyone for your 
>>>> help with this.
>>>> [image: PXL_20220516_203310662.MP.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> rod
>>>>
>>>> Eastern Massachusetts
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:48:35 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just want to say I experienced the same rotation also, which I did 
>>>>> *not* with the Albatrosses. I tried the tips from here which sort of 
>>>>> helped 
>>>>> but I eventually just switched to a 31.8 4 bolt threadless stem + 
>>>>> handlebar 
>>>>> shim + quill adapter. (Faceplaters are hard to source.)
>>>>>
>>>>> --Ed C.
>>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:42:29 AM UTC-7 Rod Holland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last year, I bought one of the Web Specials, an Appaloosa set up with 
>>>>>> a 1x10 drivetrain, Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires, v brakes, 
>>>>>> and 
>>>>>> Billie bars. This arrived during our New England winter, and final 
>>>>>> assembly 
>>>>>> and first rid

[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Doug, "that last creak of tinkering" is both poetic and precise. There was 
a distinct last creak when the bolt abruptly gave by several degrees before 
refusing to budge again.

rod

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 8:57:23 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I had that same issue with Bosco bars on a Clem H. I tightened the bolt 
> really tight and they still slipped then I tightened them a little tighter, 
> more than I thought I should to the point that I thought surely something 
> would bend. And that last creak of tightening did the trick. 
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 5:44:52 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> Hooray Rod !   Leverage is a wonderful thing isn't it ? 
>>
>> Sure, 4 bolt stems are easy-er to get tight(also to mess up), but I get 
>> that many people still like the style of the Nitto road stems. While I too 
>> found myself thinking "those bars are too long for that style of stem", in 
>> reality that's not the case as bikes have had way-back bars of many variety 
>> since the bicycle has existed and they all had single bolt stems. Picture a 
>> basic 50's style cruiser with bars that went waaay back and wide on single 
>> bolt stems. 
>>
>> Having used multi-speed freewheels and Specialized/Campy hubs since 
>> forever I got by removing the 12-28t variety with a seeming puny 10" 
>> Crescent wrench until I got some Phil Wood hubs and larger 13-32t 
>> freewheels. Those were a whole lot more difficult. I finally wised up and 
>> bought a 24" breaker bar which makes removing them and bottom brackets 
>> joyously easy. With that longer lever also comes it's judicious application 
>> of force, often a lighter touch than you may think. Longer levers don't 
>> *have* to be used the full length all the time, like a baseball bat you 
>> can choke up as needed. Sometimes you swing for the fences, so to speak, 
>> sometimes just to clear the shortstops reach. Same lever, many 
>> applications. Always fun ! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:03:55 AM UTC-4 Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>>> So, after reading all the replies here, and finding previous threads on 
>>> the same subject from 2018, I reached into a package of Hobson-Zingo Allen 
>>> keys, recently purchased from Rivendell through some sort of bicycle karma, 
>>> and pulled out a 6mm wrench with a 7" lever that was longer than any other 
>>> 6mm tool within reach. I used that to loosen the Billie bars in the 
>>> Technomic stem, repositioned the bars, then tightened them in place, using 
>>> the leverage to maximum effect.
>>> [image: PXL_20220516_212908672.MP.jpg]
>>>
>>> The bars seemed secure (of course, that was also true before the first 
>>> time they rotated, but time will tell). I took the Appaloosa out for a 
>>> 20-mile shakedown ride, made sure I did a few things to challenge the 
>>> handlebars, and was pleased with the fact that they seemed rock steady. Had 
>>> a good ride, but came home and ordered a faceplate stem and a tube of 
>>> carbon paste, just in case. And that Hobson-Zingo key is at least 
>>> temporarily seconded to the Appaloosa's bag. Thanks to everyone for your 
>>> help with this.
>>> [image: PXL_20220516_203310662.MP.jpg]
>>>
>>> rod
>>>
>>> Eastern Massachusetts
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:48:35 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just want to say I experienced the same rotation also, which I did 
>>>> *not* with the Albatrosses. I tried the tips from here which sort of 
>>>> helped 
>>>> but I eventually just switched to a 31.8 4 bolt threadless stem + 
>>>> handlebar 
>>>> shim + quill adapter. (Faceplaters are hard to source.)
>>>>
>>>> --Ed C.
>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:42:29 AM UTC-7 Rod Holland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Last year, I bought one of the Web Specials, an Appaloosa set up with 
>>>>> a 1x10 drivetrain, Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires, v brakes, 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> Billie bars. This arrived during our New England winter, and final 
>>>>> assembly 
>>>>> and first rides happened in January, during a break in the weather, after 
>>>>> which the bike sat in the basement, at the end of of various queues, 
>>>>> until 
>>>>> yesterday, when I put it on the road, starting with a 25-mile mixed 
>>>>> surface 
>>>>> ride.  
>>>>> [image: PXL_20220513_2

[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Garth, amen! Archimedes is our friend...

rod

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 5:44:52 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Hooray Rod !   Leverage is a wonderful thing isn't it ? 
>
> Sure, 4 bolt stems are easy-er to get tight(also to mess up), but I get 
> that many people still like the style of the Nitto road stems. While I too 
> found myself thinking "those bars are too long for that style of stem", in 
> reality that's not the case as bikes have had way-back bars of many variety 
> since the bicycle has existed and they all had single bolt stems. Picture a 
> basic 50's style cruiser with bars that went waaay back and wide on single 
> bolt stems. 
>
> Having used multi-speed freewheels and Specialized/Campy hubs since 
> forever I got by removing the 12-28t variety with a seeming puny 10" 
> Crescent wrench until I got some Phil Wood hubs and larger 13-32t 
> freewheels. Those were a whole lot more difficult. I finally wised up and 
> bought a 24" breaker bar which makes removing them and bottom brackets 
> joyously easy. With that longer lever also comes it's judicious application 
> of force, often a lighter touch than you may think. Longer levers don't 
> *have* to be used the full length all the time, like a baseball bat you 
> can choke up as needed. Sometimes you swing for the fences, so to speak, 
> sometimes just to clear the shortstops reach. Same lever, many 
> applications. Always fun ! 
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:03:55 AM UTC-4 Rod Holland wrote:
>
>> So, after reading all the replies here, and finding previous threads on 
>> the same subject from 2018, I reached into a package of Hobson-Zingo Allen 
>> keys, recently purchased from Rivendell through some sort of bicycle karma, 
>> and pulled out a 6mm wrench with a 7" lever that was longer than any other 
>> 6mm tool within reach. I used that to loosen the Billie bars in the 
>> Technomic stem, repositioned the bars, then tightened them in place, using 
>> the leverage to maximum effect.
>> [image: PXL_20220516_212908672.MP.jpg]
>>
>> The bars seemed secure (of course, that was also true before the first 
>> time they rotated, but time will tell). I took the Appaloosa out for a 
>> 20-mile shakedown ride, made sure I did a few things to challenge the 
>> handlebars, and was pleased with the fact that they seemed rock steady. Had 
>> a good ride, but came home and ordered a faceplate stem and a tube of 
>> carbon paste, just in case. And that Hobson-Zingo key is at least 
>> temporarily seconded to the Appaloosa's bag. Thanks to everyone for your 
>> help with this.
>> [image: PXL_20220516_203310662.MP.jpg]
>>
>> rod
>>
>> Eastern Massachusetts
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:48:35 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>> Just want to say I experienced the same rotation also, which I did *not* 
>>> with the Albatrosses. I tried the tips from here which sort of helped but I 
>>> eventually just switched to a 31.8 4 bolt threadless stem + handlebar shim 
>>> + quill adapter. (Faceplaters are hard to source.)
>>>
>>> --Ed C.
>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:42:29 AM UTC-7 Rod Holland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last year, I bought one of the Web Specials, an Appaloosa set up with a 
>>>> 1x10 drivetrain, Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires, v brakes, and 
>>>> Billie bars. This arrived during our New England winter, and final 
>>>> assembly 
>>>> and first rides happened in January, during a break in the weather, after 
>>>> which the bike sat in the basement, at the end of of various queues, until 
>>>> yesterday, when I put it on the road, starting with a 25-mile mixed 
>>>> surface 
>>>> ride.  
>>>> [image: PXL_20220513_201728684.MP.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> The bike is set up for an upright riding posture, a bit of a departure 
>>>> for me. A bit more than halfway through the ride, I had to stop and 
>>>> dismount a little abruptly, and the Billie bars slipped in the Technomic 
>>>> stem, settling (apparently quite securely) into a roughly 45 ° angle. 
>>>> [image: PXL_20220513_211233095.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> I had just been speculating about how they might ride with a bit of 
>>>> downward deflection, so I got a chuckle out of that, and proceeded to ride 
>>>> towards home in a more aero posture. 
>>>> [image: PXL_20220513_211904103.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> I stopped in at my LBS, and they were good enough to restore the bars 
>>>> to their intended positi

[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Garth, thanks! Good to know this isn't unheard of. 

btw, the hypothetical role of the V-brakes is their occasioning a rapid 
shift of my body mass onto the handlebars: the "a" term in F=ma. The "m", 
of course, is my body mass.

rod


On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 11:20:56 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Assuming a proper fit for bar and stem, it's fairly common here. Many 
> posts about it. No, it's not the brakes. 
>
> Grease the fixing bolt and use a longer lever wrench of your choice to fix 
> the bolt in place, like 8+ inches. Long levers make everything easier to 
> apply torque. Anti friction paste helps for some. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 9:42:29 AM UTC-4 Rod Holland wrote:
>
>> Last year, I bought one of the Web Specials, an Appaloosa set up with a 
>> 1x10 drivetrain, Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires, v brakes, and 
>> Billie bars. This arrived during our New England winter, and final assembly 
>> and first rides happened in January, during a break in the weather, after 
>> which the bike sat in the basement, at the end of of various queues, until 
>> yesterday, when I put it on the road, starting with a 25-mile mixed surface 
>> ride.  
>> [image: PXL_20220513_201728684.MP.jpg]
>>
>> The bike is set up for an upright riding posture, a bit of a departure 
>> for me. A bit more than halfway through the ride, I had to stop and 
>> dismount a little abruptly, and the Billie bars slipped in the Technomic 
>> stem, settling (apparently quite securely) into a roughly 45 ° angle. 
>> [image: PXL_20220513_211233095.jpg]
>>
>> I had just been speculating about how they might ride with a bit of 
>> downward deflection, so I got a chuckle out of that, and proceeded to ride 
>> towards home in a more aero posture. 
>> [image: PXL_20220513_211904103.jpg]
>>
>> I stopped in at my LBS, and they were good enough to restore the bars to 
>> their intended position on the spot. All went well until a block before my 
>> house, when, during braking, the bars slipped back to their previous droopy 
>> position.
>>
>> I'll be taking the bike back in to the LBS next week. Question: has 
>> anyone else encountered this "self-adjusting" behavior with Billie bars in 
>> a Technomic stem? If so, what caused it? What cured it?
>>
>> V brakes are one of the elements of novelty to me in this build, and I've 
>> been trying to apply them gently, but suspect that in each case above my 
>> braking created a transient inertial load on the handlebars.
>>
>> rod
>>
>> Eastern Massachusetts
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Oops, that one was intended for Jason.

rod

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 1:16:20 PM UTC-4 Rod Holland wrote:

> Cal, thanks! I've never used carbon paste, will approach with caution.
>
> rod
>
>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Jason, thanks! I've never used carbon paste, will approach with caution.

rod


On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 10:31:57 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Billie bars have a ton of leverage, so they are better suited to 4-bolt 
> clamp stems like the fillet faceplater, or Blue Lug / Nitto Power stem.  
> But they'll work with a Tallux/Technomic too, just requires either pushing 
> the recommended torque a bit further, or using carbon paste at the 
> interface.  I find you can really crank that bolt down without it 
> stripping! 
>
> On Saturday, 14 May 2022 at 08:20:56 UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Assuming a proper fit for bar and stem, it's fairly common here. Many 
>> posts about it. No, it's not the brakes. 
>>
>> Grease the fixing bolt and use a longer lever wrench of your choice to 
>> fix the bolt in place, like 8+ inches. Long levers make everything easier 
>> to apply torque. Anti friction paste helps for some. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 9:42:29 AM UTC-4 Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>>> Last year, I bought one of the Web Specials, an Appaloosa set up with a 
>>> 1x10 drivetrain, Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires, v brakes, and 
>>> Billie bars. This arrived during our New England winter, and final assembly 
>>> and first rides happened in January, during a break in the weather, after 
>>> which the bike sat in the basement, at the end of of various queues, until 
>>> yesterday, when I put it on the road, starting with a 25-mile mixed surface 
>>> ride.  
>>> [image: PXL_20220513_201728684.MP.jpg]
>>>
>>> The bike is set up for an upright riding posture, a bit of a departure 
>>> for me. A bit more than halfway through the ride, I had to stop and 
>>> dismount a little abruptly, and the Billie bars slipped in the Technomic 
>>> stem, settling (apparently quite securely) into a roughly 45 ° angle. 
>>> [image: PXL_20220513_211233095.jpg]
>>>
>>> I had just been speculating about how they might ride with a bit of 
>>> downward deflection, so I got a chuckle out of that, and proceeded to ride 
>>> towards home in a more aero posture. 
>>> [image: PXL_20220513_211904103.jpg]
>>>
>>> I stopped in at my LBS, and they were good enough to restore the bars to 
>>> their intended position on the spot. All went well until a block before my 
>>> house, when, during braking, the bars slipped back to their previous droopy 
>>> position.
>>>
>>> I'll be taking the bike back in to the LBS next week. Question: has 
>>> anyone else encountered this "self-adjusting" behavior with Billie bars in 
>>> a Technomic stem? If so, what caused it? What cured it?
>>>
>>> V brakes are one of the elements of novelty to me in this build, and 
>>> I've been trying to apply them gently, but suspect that in each case above 
>>> my braking created a transient inertial load on the handlebars.
>>>
>>> rod
>>>
>>> Eastern Massachusetts
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Cal, thanks! I've never used carbon paste, will approach with caution.

rod

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 10:31:57 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Billie bars have a ton of leverage, so they are better suited to 4-bolt 
> clamp stems like the fillet faceplater, or Blue Lug / Nitto Power stem.  
> But they'll work with a Tallux/Technomic too, just requires either pushing 
> the recommended torque a bit further, or using carbon paste at the 
> interface.  I find you can really crank that bolt down without it 
> stripping! 
>
> On Saturday, 14 May 2022 at 08:20:56 UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Assuming a proper fit for bar and stem, it's fairly common here. Many 
>> posts about it. No, it's not the brakes. 
>>
>> Grease the fixing bolt and use a longer lever wrench of your choice to 
>> fix the bolt in place, like 8+ inches. Long levers make everything easier 
>> to apply torque. Anti friction paste helps for some. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 9:42:29 AM UTC-4 Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>>> Last year, I bought one of the Web Specials, an Appaloosa set up with a 
>>> 1x10 drivetrain, Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires, v brakes, and 
>>> Billie bars. This arrived during our New England winter, and final assembly 
>>> and first rides happened in January, during a break in the weather, after 
>>> which the bike sat in the basement, at the end of of various queues, until 
>>> yesterday, when I put it on the road, starting with a 25-mile mixed surface 
>>> ride.  
>>> [image: PXL_20220513_201728684.MP.jpg]
>>>
>>> The bike is set up for an upright riding posture, a bit of a departure 
>>> for me. A bit more than halfway through the ride, I had to stop and 
>>> dismount a little abruptly, and the Billie bars slipped in the Technomic 
>>> stem, settling (apparently quite securely) into a roughly 45 ° angle. 
>>> [image: PXL_20220513_211233095.jpg]
>>>
>>> I had just been speculating about how they might ride with a bit of 
>>> downward deflection, so I got a chuckle out of that, and proceeded to ride 
>>> towards home in a more aero posture. 
>>> [image: PXL_20220513_211904103.jpg]
>>>
>>> I stopped in at my LBS, and they were good enough to restore the bars to 
>>> their intended position on the spot. All went well until a block before my 
>>> house, when, during braking, the bars slipped back to their previous droopy 
>>> position.
>>>
>>> I'll be taking the bike back in to the LBS next week. Question: has 
>>> anyone else encountered this "self-adjusting" behavior with Billie bars in 
>>> a Technomic stem? If so, what caused it? What cured it?
>>>
>>> V brakes are one of the elements of novelty to me in this build, and 
>>> I've been trying to apply them gently, but suspect that in each case above 
>>> my braking created a transient inertial load on the handlebars.
>>>
>>> rod
>>>
>>> Eastern Massachusetts
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Self-adjusting Billie bars

[Rod Holland]

Cal, thanks for that suggestion. I'll have a look to see if that's the 
case. It would certainly cover the behavior.

rod

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 11:06:18 AM UTC-4 Cal Patterson wrote:

>
> Hi Rod,
> Beautiful bike! Looks so great with those wide tires.
> I have a set of Billie bars that I’ve put on several bikes, never had this 
> happen.
>
> I have, however, had this happen when a 25.4 bar is put in a 26.0 clamp 
> stem. The fit can be snug enough to not identify an immediate need for 
> shimming. You can tighten it down firmly enough, without bottoming out the 
> stem clamp, and ride for quite a while really, but then end up with some 
> slippage.  Also happened back in the old drop bar world, with 26.0 and 26.2 
> (Italian?) stems.
>
> If you loosen the quill stem bolt on that technomic and lift it outta the 
> steerer, the clamp diameter should be stamped down under there.
> Might not be your issue, but an easy place to start.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Calvin
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:42:29 AM UTC-7 Rod Holland wrote:
>
>> Last year, I bought one of the Web Specials, an Appaloosa set up with a 
>> 1x10 drivetrain, Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires, v brakes, and 
>> Billie bars. This arrived during our New England winter, and final assembly 
>> and first rides happened in January, during a break in the weather, after 
>> which the bike sat in the basement, at the end of of various queues, until 
>> yesterday, when I put it on the road, starting with a 25-mile mixed surface 
>> ride.  
>> [image: PXL_20220513_201728684.MP.jpg]
>>
>> The bike is set up for an upright riding posture, a bit of a departure 
>> for me. A bit more than halfway through the ride, I had to stop and 
>> dismount a little abruptly, and the Billie bars slipped in the Technomic 
>> stem, settling (apparently quite securely) into a roughly 45 ° angle. 
>> [image: PXL_20220513_211233095.jpg]
>>
>> I had just been speculating about how they might ride with a bit of 
>> downward deflection, so I got a chuckle out of that, and proceeded to ride 
>> towards home in a more aero posture. 
>> [image: PXL_20220513_211904103.jpg]
>>
>> I stopped in at my LBS, and they were good enough to restore the bars to 
>> their intended position on the spot. All went well until a block before my 
>> house, when, during braking, the bars slipped back to their previous droopy 
>> position.
>>
>> I'll be taking the bike back in to the LBS next week. Question: has 
>> anyone else encountered this "self-adjusting" behavior with Billie bars in 
>> a Technomic stem? If so, what caused it? What cured it?
>>
>> V brakes are one of the elements of novelty to me in this build, and I've 
>> been trying to apply them gently, but suspect that in each case above my 
>> braking created a transient inertial load on the handlebars.
>>
>> rod
>>
>> Eastern Massachusetts
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Adding Seatpost QR to Riv

[Rod Holland]

I put the Campy QR binders that Mike Kone sells on an Ebisu and a 1982 
Sequoyah. Straight-forward installation, good function, and about as pretty as 
a binder bolt can reasonably be expected to look.

rod 

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[RBW] Rivendell sightings, South Hero Island, Vermont

[Rod Holland]

On the first day of a 3-day tour of the Champlain Islands 
, spotted an A. Homer 
Hilsen and a Cheviot parked with other bikes at The Accidental Farmer. Had 
a chat with the Hilsen's owner, a former list member, who said it was 
Toyo-built.







Nice bikes, nice people, nice place.


rod



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[RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Rod Holland]

While I've got a couple of Kucharik jerseys on order, they haven't arrived 
yet; more on those later. I've worn the MUSA short sleeve jerseys that I 
bought from Riv some years back for a number of summers, and think highly 
of them. They're quite light weight, corresponding roughly to what 
Smartwool used to call "microweight", and currently calls "150". The 
Portland Cyclewear merino wool jerseys are beautifully made, with a 
somewhat heavier weight, but an open weave that has allowed me to wear them 
on several summer rides without overheating. They wick moisture well, and 
support evaporative cooling. I'll post again when I've got more experience 
with these, the Kucharik, and a Yeti Turq merino jersey that appears to be 
as light weight as the MUSA.

rod

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 11:41:29 AM UTC-4, Paul G wrote:
>
> Rod, how do the Portland / Oregon Cyclewear jerseys compare to the 
> MUSA/Kucharik ones as far as weight and quality is concerned?
>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, Marc. Pragmatism rules!

rod

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Rod Holland]

Marc, funny thing, I had just ordered two of them. ;-)

Question: do you follow the washing instructions on the website (hand wash 
inside out, dry flat)?

rod

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 12:15:53 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I've been wearing jerseys from Portland Cyclewear 
> <https://www.oregoncyclewear.com/orderwooljerseys.html> for several years 
> and love them.   I even created my own logo to put on a couple which is 
> kind of a fun thing to do.
>
> Marc
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 4:01:27 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Back when Riv was still offering them, I bought a couple of MUSA short 
>> sleeved merino wool jerseys, the ones sold in royal blue. They have worked 
>> very well for me, very light-weight wool (comparable, I think, to what the 
>> SmartWool people call "microweight", but who's weighing?) that are cool in 
>> the heat and wick sweat very nicely. They're now fading, literally and 
>> figuratively, and it's clear I'm going to have to replace them, for next 
>> season if not this one. Anyone care to share a recommendation for a source 
>> of comparable jerseys?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> rod
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, I'll have a look.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Rod Holland]

Thanks! I'll check them out.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Rod Holland]

Thanks. XXL, which of course complicates matters a bit.

rod

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 10:27:23 PM UTC-4, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> what size are you? i know it sounds like you are looking for a source for 
> new, but i have a fine condition large Ibex merino short sleeve half zip. 
> medium blue with some tasteful black piping in the right places. super soft 
> and maybe worn 3 times.
>
> i tend to wear lycra most of the time these days. 
>
> let me know if you have interest.
>
> eddie dot flayer at att dot net
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 1:01:27 PM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Back when Riv was still offering them, I bought a couple of MUSA short 
>> sleeved merino wool jerseys, the ones sold in royal blue. They have worked 
>> very well for me, very light-weight wool (comparable, I think, to what the 
>> SmartWool people call "microweight", but who's weighing?) that are cool in 
>> the heat and wick sweat very nicely. They're now fading, literally and 
>> figuratively, and it's clear I'm going to have to replace them, for next 
>> season if not this one. Anyone care to share a recommendation for a source 
>> of comparable jerseys?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> rod
>>
>

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[RBW] Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Rod Holland]

Back when Riv was still offering them, I bought a couple of MUSA short 
sleeved merino wool jerseys, the ones sold in royal blue. They have worked 
very well for me, very light-weight wool (comparable, I think, to what the 
SmartWool people call "microweight", but who's weighing?) that are cool in 
the heat and wick sweat very nicely. They're now fading, literally and 
figuratively, and it's clear I'm going to have to replace them, for next 
season if not this one. Anyone care to share a recommendation for a source 
of comparable jerseys?

Thanks,

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

[Rod Holland]

The 26" Surly LHT fits Rat Taps with fenders, and is a hoot to ride. (Lest 
anyone feel the need to reflexively advance the "feels dead" trope, let me 
suggest that Compass tires have a vivifying effect). But agree, a Riv offering 
in larger frame sizes that mounted Rat Traps would be a GOOD THING.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Rod Holland]

On a ride with my new-to-me orange Ram, I encountered two episodes of this, 
on a 20-mile ride on Minuteman Commuter Bikeway:



May I photograph your bicycle? (this really happened...)


Interestingly, they photographer wasn't keying off "Riv" per se, but 
thought it was a beautiful steel bike (and who could argue with that?)...

The second episode was on the return leg of the same ride, when a gentleman 
overtook me and matched speed for about 1/4 mile, asking me about the bike 
in great detail, and praising it to the stars. It's a little like walking a 
really cute dog... I guess good design will do that for you.

rod

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:18:57 AM UTC-4, LeRoy wrote:
>
> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's 
> something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented 
> bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. 
> Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call 
> out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty 
> chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and 
> called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must 
> say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

I'm 100 miles in on a cycle of ride a little, tinker a little on this bike, 
most recently raising the handlebars and adding a Bananasax (the blue 
fabric works well with the blue rims, and contrasts rather than clashes 
with the orange). More to do, but it's fun all the way. Here's a ride report 
<https://www.bikeforums.net/20621398-post7796.html>.

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rod

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 12:37:00 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> ;-)
>
> rod
>

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[RBW] New Canti Sam Tire Clearances (Soma Supple Vitesse 48?)

[Rod Holland]

I've been running Snoq ELs since they came out, and can't praise them enough. 
Lately I've been noticing how they let me fly over broken and uneven pavement 
in urban settings. Wonderful all-road tires, light, speedy, and cush.

rod

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

;-)

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Peter,

Once again, thanks so much for the pointer to this bike at BnB! 

Today I swapped the GR-9s and Power Grips for a set of MKS Allways platform 
pedals (with Knee Savers; I'm afraid that for anatomical reasons, low-Q is 
wasted on me), and went for another test ride, which was wonderful.

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I also discovered that the Schwalbe tires that I thought were 28mm are 
actually 32mm; I'm thinking I'll just swap in some Stampede Pass ELs and 
not pursue putting on any larger tires or fenders (with brakes to match) 
for the remainder of the season, and just ride the bejesus out of this bike 
before the snow, ice, and road salt arrive..


rod




On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 5:09:48 PM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>
> Yes
>
> So glad you got it Rod!
>
> Happy to see it go to a good home.
>
> I’m over in Roslindale, I’ll keep an eye out for you when I’m riding 
> through JP!
>
> Happy riding!
>
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:53 PM Rod Holland  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I'm psyched about it. 
>>
>> rod
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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, I'm psyched about it. 

rod

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

No, I don't, although a 3rd party did initiate a list discussion about it 
prevously. I'm guessing it got to BnB as a result of a charitable donation.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Rod Holland]

Well, I came to Grand Bois and Compass EL tires early on my Surlys, and 
found they transformed the ride experience; I've logged 12K+ miles on the 
700c LHT, much of that unloaded. It's definitely a different dynamic 
profile, but I find it agreeable. You might say I have a soft spot in my 
head for touring bikes... An apologia can be found at 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/surlylht/MwHsem_vVoI/yCc8jPvMBQAJ .

I have an MIT Atlantis build in progress, btw, and just picked up an old 
Ram. 

rod

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 5:26:26 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Wow Rod, I have a Rambouillet and a Disc Trucker, the latter I'm happy 
> with for its intended use but wouldn't say the ride delights me. I find 
> that even after 20 miles (unloaded) I am aware of the stiffer tubing of its 
> build. 
>
> Maybe the disc fork makes that much of a difference but the net take away 
> from my riding is that I'll underbike the heck out of my Ram before I'll 
> overbike the Trucker. which is only ridden other than commuting because of 
> its generator lights and always mounted Nelson Longflap. I'm in process of 
> fixing those oversights.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Reed,
>>
>> I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively 
>> handling of my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT 
>> variants (700c and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the 
>> difference in handling among them, of course, but can ride any of them fast 
>> and far, over a gamut of surfaces. I'm running Compass or Grand Bois ELs on 
>> all of them, and that has no doubt improved the ride experience in all 
>> cases.
>>
>> rod
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Thanks! I'm still grinning!

rod

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 11:13:32 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Gorgeous!! Congrats!!

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Siblings!

rod

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:41:25 AM UTC-4, thalasin wrote:
>
> I have RB032!!
>
> Tracy
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Joe,

Thanks! This orange Riv is certainly giving me a sunny disposition on a 
cloudy New England day...



Serial number of this bike is RB031.

rod

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:48:03 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Welcome to the Orange RivBikes Club! Which I just invented cuz I have an 
> Orange Roadini. That Ram is sweet!

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Shoji,

Thanks! I look forward to it. I raised the saddle a bit (necessary), and 
took it for a little shakedown cruise on the Minuteman this afternoon. It's 
a sweet bike, and I've got a little list of wrenching projects for it 
forming up...

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rod

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Congrats, Rod. The best colorway... probably never to-be reproduced. And a 
> classic Ritchey crank, too. 
>
> Hope to see it on the road/bikeway sometime.
>
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:08:47 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> I drove over to JP this afternoon and found the bike. "So, whaddya 
>> think?" I said. "Take me home," said the bike. So I did.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aQ3KDhPROPSehrW4wI3hh-s_LpcKLdyVTzMToYPTsVvrADBF3CXtktCh39bNy91gRvux1nOevRAT50EKD5_AkdGz7Xg9oH-ir8HbUHtKW6_e5NBJ1j51Mt-SVRU6GK1lr24BUgCndCaeQN5EuCP9vL_K8bz4XINrlR9lx1iNY3zeW9Cew5CF11_ZTwcHDXclCA985SuaGan7hzDRgEHtZklqOep5QQFH_ZdjhOsI5l_XFWDdXr2Of2aMZdfZr40PmTe_l5GqNlmU0E1DELRw-haxv4NPrCqht1FbqRZrkMVlLz4a5y2eCBOvhg_etUtT5fsaPi749kQ_tdmfOLXG8udL62OJOpq2Fjk67k-xUY9Sz0oyxugB0nhLn80k6ILXHTSMT8Kv5IohdfNjCWqDGu4VzIMG5YWpp4h8T_ypkGVbQxTpl3wywdBsNkvabiBZCn3o4WktDy_Fs9D8i20-l2iZ1zermXKdH5_7CyXDbX1iGLc0AyQ8VI9xKVZ7aRCjbDz1F5c7kbbMjRVV8wM5uU-jjiwAl0dftEf606yZap3OJO3Ue4bxw_PDVGBYIZKwEOJqZmbrfOpJeQZJRpO_Sw_-piI9sADoRjYG9yQ0LaBrm1RbmtSuMa3RB2KMZADByiL1j6UiFZfyu0FM-KPp--mz_C8XujsDbcZ85P9FLKghS6SKRvqGNG2M4A=w1113-h626-no>
>>
>> Peter, thank you for the heads up! I've been looking for one of these for 
>> years...
>>
>> More of this in a bit. I have to raise the seat and go ride the bike now.
>>
>> rod
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>>>
>>> I was pleasantly surprised when visiting my LBS yesterday, there on the 
>>> for sale racks amongst a bunch of used bikes was a gorgeous Rambouillet. 
>>>
>>> Tag has it as 58, for $1,500. 
>>>
>>> It’s over at Bikes Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain. 
>>>
>>> It’s a real beaut! 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pg9LxRacWXwPb9wT9 
>>>
>>> -Peter 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

I drove over to JP this afternoon and found the bike. "So, whaddya think?" 
I said. "Take me home," said the bike. So I did.





Peter, thank you for the heads up! I've been looking for one of these for 
years...

More of this in a bit. I have to raise the seat and go ride the bike now.

rod


On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>
> I was pleasantly surprised when visiting my LBS yesterday, there on the 
> for sale racks amongst a bunch of used bikes was a gorgeous Rambouillet. 
>
> Tag has it as 58, for $1,500. 
>
> It’s over at Bikes Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain. 
>
> It’s a real beaut! 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pg9LxRacWXwPb9wT9 
>
> -Peter 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Rod Holland]

Reed,

I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively handling of 
my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT variants (700c 
and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the difference in handling among 
them, of course, but can ride any of them fast and far, over a gamut of 
surfaces. I'm running Compass or Grand Bois ELs on all of them, and that has no 
doubt improved the ride experience in all cases.

rod

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[RBW] Re: What tires fit good on 700c Sun CR18 rims?

[Rod Holland]

I've had success with GB Cypres on DM-18 rims. Similar remarks apply to 
Stampede Pass. I've always had a naive theory that DM-18s and CR-18s are 
similar, but I've never put my hands on CR-18s, and don't actually know 
that.  ;-)

rod

On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
>
> Anyone recommend a tire that goes on/off these rims easy and by hand (no 
> levers).
> Will GB Cypress?
> Paselas are very hard to get on/off even with levers feel like I am gonna 
> break something. Would not want to have to change a flat in the field.

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[RBW] Re: Jack Brown green/Cypres/Compass 32/ impressions?

[Rod Holland]

Jim,

Out of curiosity, at what pressure where you riding the Compass 35s? That 
seems to make a difference for flatting.

rod

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:57:49 AM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Well, funny you should ask. I just completed a St. Louis to New York tour 
> with my son. My son was riding a Leo Roadini with Jack Browns. I was riding 
> a Soma San Marcos with Compass 35s. 
>
> We rode on all types of roads, but obviously, the same roads. Smooth 
> pavement, rough pavement, gravel, crushed limestone, the muddy C & 0 canal, 
> and potholed, debris filled streets of St. Louis, Terre Haute, 
> Indianapolis, Dayton, Columbus, Steubenville, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and 
> Camden, among others.
>
> My son's Jack Browns never flatted. In contrast, my Compass tires flatted 
> several times. It was really frustrating. Even when they weren't flat, I 
> was constantly looking down, fearing yet another flat. In New Jersey, I 
> finally ditched the Compass tires, replacing them with whatever $20 tires 
> the local bike shop stocked. 
>
> Many people of good will swear by the Compass tires, and I don't doubt 
> that they are great tires, and others have had great experiences.
>
> But whatever rolling benefits one might obtain from these tires are easily 
> canceled out by even one flat, let alone the several flats that I 
> experienced.
>
> Now this is just one rider, and it could be bad luck, or my own poor 
> installation skills.
>
> But as a result of my experience, I just ordered Jack Browns for my Soma 
> San Marcos.
>
> No disrespect intended to those who love the Compass tires. And I enjoy 
> the magazine for sure.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 2:45:35 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> How do the Jack Browns (green) compare to the GB Cypres or Compass 32 you 
>> have ridden?
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Jack Brown green/Cypres/Compass 32/ impressions?

[Rod Holland]

No experience with Jack Browns of either hue, but have put in several 
thousand miles on GB Cypres ELs, and about a thousand miles on Compass 
Stampede Pass ELs. Both these tires are 32mm +/-. I also ride a range of 
Compass tires in larger sizes on other bikes: Barlows, Snoqs, RTPs, (all 
ELs) even the now-discontinued 26"x1.75" "Compasellas".
I have nothing but good to say about the larger Compass tires, and note in 
passing that I've seldom had them flat.

The GBC ELs I originally rode on my LHT, as my gateway drug to light, 
supple tires. After the doughty 37mm Continental Contact touring tires I 
had been running, they transformed the ride of that bike, and opened my 
eyes. I rode them over the full gamut of surfaces I was already in the 
habit of riding on the Trucker: pavement rough and smooth, urban and rural, 
dirt with the standard New England ration of roots and rocks, and the odd 
stretch of gravel. While I changed the occasional flat, this was not a big 
deal: didn't take long, and the tires were easy to work with and seated 
right the first time (I did learn to search assiduously for sharps still 
buried in the tread however; no sense changing the same flat twice). I had 
been clinging to the Contis in part from fear of flats, and found I needn't 
have bothered.

When the 38mm Barlow Pass EL was introduced, I swapped a pair onto the LHT, 
and loved them. But I found myself missing the Cypres's extreme nimbleness, 
and built up a Rawland Nordavinden frameset in part as a platform for 
continuing to run those tires; it continues to do so to this day, and rides 
like a dream, comfy and nimble, with the added pleasures of a lively frame 
and  low-trail handing. When an older Ebisu frameset fell into my hands, I 
took it as an opportunity to try the 32mm Compass Stampede Pass ELs, and 
love them, too. When the Cypres ELs on the Rawland wear out, I will have to 
make a decision as to whether to order another set from Japan, or to 
replace them with Stampede Pass ELs. We'll see about that when the time 
comes, and I may try swapping the tires between the two bikes to try to get 
a little more insight into how much of what I'm experiencing is the 
frameset and how much is the tires (the wheelsets and drivetrains of the 
two bikes are identical). If I had to equip a 3rd bike with 32mm tires, I'd 
probably go with the Stampede Pass ELs, since they do seem to corner a 
little better and have a more robust interface between tread and casing (a 
documented weakness of the Cypress that, mercifully, has never bit me).

In the meantime, I'm building up an MIT Atlantis as a platform for a pair 
of Antelope Hill ELs, a sort of human-powered hovercraft.

rod


On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 3:45:35 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> How do the Jack Browns (green) compare to the GB Cypres or Compass 32 you 
> have ridden?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>

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[RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Rod Holland]

I've used Jandd Expedition rear racks for years, very happily. I'm eyeing the 
Extreme front rack for use with an OAC Rambler, a bike built for front loads. 
I'm heartened to hear your experiences with it.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oh the humidity!

[Rod Holland]

Had a nice 31-mile ride through Eastern Massachusetts, 96degF and 50% 
relative humidity (I think). Ride report 
at https://www.bikeforums.net/20492484-post7556.html. Similar conditions 
today, but I'm sitting it out; turns out to be the second day of an ozone 
alert; noticed the haze yesterday, and then found out that had a name. 
Drank a liter and a half of water, evaporative cooling worked like a charm: 
sweat is our friend, at least while the bike is moving. I grew up in South 
Georgia, so I'm used to worse.

rod

...
>
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[RBW] Re: N+4?

[Rod Holland]

Frame is shipping, wheelset is building, tires and tubes are in hand, as 
are most of the other parts. This may be a bicycle sooner rather than 
later...

rod

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 1:13:36 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I vigorously APPROVE of the purchase of an MIT Atlantis
> I strenuously APPROVE of the Antelope Pass justification
> I wholehearedly APPROVE of purchasing to opportunity vs purchasing to 
> need.  Purchasing to opportunity loads up your inventory.  When a need (or 
> desire) arises, then you interact with your own inventory.  
>
> Great work!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 7:00:47 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you 
>> like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered 
>> a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm, 
>> meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other 
>> builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old 
>> Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these, 
>> due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler 
>> and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting 
>> them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really 
>> means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching 
>> to riding.
>>
>> So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles 
>> queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real 
>> satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my 
>> head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think: 
>> I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two; 
>> I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early 
>> adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current 
>> bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for 
>> years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also 
>> admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So, 
>> godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...
>>
>> ... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9 
>> bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends 
>> continue" jokes... 
>>
>> rod
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: How to measure Noodles?

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, Joe and Ian. That's what I needed.

rod

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:48:53 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> I guess this falls under the heading of 1st World Problems, but I've got 
> several Nitto Noodles in the house, and have lost track of how some are 
> sized. Can you suggest a specific measurement I can take that will give me 
> the stated width of the bar? Drops, center-to-center? Or... ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> rod
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[RBW] How to measure Noodles?

[Rod Holland]

I guess this falls under the heading of 1st World Problems, but I've got 
several Nitto Noodles in the house, and have lost track of how some are 
sized. Can you suggest a specific measurement I can take that will give me 
the stated width of the bar? Drops, center-to-center? Or... ?

Thanks,

rod

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

Thank you, Grant, for the image of a coin with Pooh's butt on the obverse. 
This is a genuinely optimistic vision for an American future. Everybody 
read the new Blahg post, and reconvene. Have a Safe and Sane Fourth of 
July, y'all.

rod

On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> There's a new BLAHG up, and it'll be up thru the weekend. On the surface 
> it may seem to be adding fuel to the fire, etc., but if you wade thru the 
> whole thing (as I have!), I don't think you'll find too much controversy in 
> it.
> Grant "Possibly Incredibly Naive" Petersen
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> My best friend is a Republican. I don't traffic in "all members of a 
>> particular party are bad" BS, I object to THIS policy from THIS 
>> president..who isn't even a real Republican. He was a liberal Democrat 
>> 15-20 years ago, and would have stayed there if he could've found a 
>> foothold. But Putin and Fox News both figured out (independently and 
>> simultaneously) that his autocratic tendencies fit the righty side, so 
>> started grooming him for a Republican presidential run.  
>>
>> I don't think either entity thought it would work, but combine the power 
>> of the consolidated voice of conservatism in cable news with Russia's 
>> astonishing election meddling prowess and you get the lunatic we have now 
>> in the WH. Heckuva job, America! 
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

Helmets next?

rod

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:51:49 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Friction shifting sucks! Ok it doesn't really suck, but my old man ears 
> can't hear when I'm between shifts anymore. Clickety clack!

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[RBW] Riv sighting in Arlington, Massachusetts

[Rod Holland]

Saw a guy on a light green, double top tube Riv (previous generation Sam, 
I'm guessing, but I wasn't close enough to read the decals), transiting 
Arlington Center between two segments of Minuteman Bikeway. Pretty bike!

The thermometer in my car said 97.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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I like it: a bicycle for Dad, a climbing structure for the kids...

rod

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:15:30 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> It'll be a first look at our three-top tube bike!
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>
>> Will this be the mountain bike post?
>> Will this be the Rivendell with a suspension fork post?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:05:43 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>>
>>> The next BLAHG will be even more not-intentionally divisive, probably. 
>>> It will have more bike content in it. 
>>>
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[RBW] N+4?

[Rod Holland]

As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you 
like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered 
a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm, 
meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other 
builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old 
Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these, 
due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler 
and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting 
them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really 
means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching 
to riding.

So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles 
queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real 
satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my 
head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think: 
I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two; 
I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early 
adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current 
bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for 
years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also 
admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So, 
godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...

... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9 
bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends 
continue" jokes... 

rod


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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Rod Holland]

H... 96degF, 50% humidity here in Eastern Massachusetts. Wool it is...

rod

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>
> Icky! I like 5%.
>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> Oh how nice it must be to be riding in 10% humidity.
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

Then again, as humans, we evolved a facility for quick pattern matching. Not 
neccessarily accurate, but quick...

rod

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[RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

Thank you, Grant. Long may you wave. 

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[RBW] Model(s) going away

[Rod Holland]

Blame it on intertextuality, but I recall Grant saying elsewhere that the 
Clem-L would probably replace the Clem-H going forward, and so gave the text a 
narrow reading: last of the Clem-Hs, but not last of tbe Clem-*s... unless they 
bring back the Clementine model name.

Based mostly on remarks in the catalog, I read the comments about Sams and MIT 
Homers as suggesting staggered availability of the two models, not extinction 
for the Sams. But as they say at the Cretaceous-Tertiary Boundary, "Shit 
happen, and the situation evolves."

rod

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Rod Holland]

Unless I'm misreading the geometry chart, these should fit on the New 
Atlantis. Which means I may have just found the excuse I've been avoiding...

rod

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:07:26 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these, 
> starting with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant 
> custom Roadeo with really big paws...
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced 
>> argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly 
>> gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete 
>> the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in 
>> this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of 
>> Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give 
>> these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I 
>> don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely 
>> with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 
>> 700c LHT brother. 
>>
>> rod
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
>>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>>
>>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
>>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
>>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
>>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Rod Holland]

Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these, starting 
with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant custom 
Roadeo with really big paws...

rod

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced 
> argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly 
> gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete 
> the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in 
> this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of 
> Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give 
> these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I 
> don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely 
> with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 
> 700c LHT brother. 
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>>
>> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>>
>> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
>> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>>
>> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
>> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
>> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Rod Holland]

What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced argument, 
he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly gave us 
Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete the line 
of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in this width 
range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of Pokemon (gotta 
get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give these a fair 
test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I don't, out of 
hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely with cantis 
and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 700c LHT 
brother. 

rod

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Rod Holland]

By way of a minority report, I switched from Chain-L to TriFlow a few years 
ago, after a fervent recommendation from a bike mechanic. This struck me as 
eccentric at the time, too light, but I tried it and have been getting good 
results. Not as messy as Chain-L, does seem to keep the chain lubed. One 
drop per link, re-apply when that seems to be called for. I ride in Eastern 
Massachusetts, so rainy and sometimes snowy. About 30% of my riding is on 
dirt.

rod

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 2:00:49 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My riding has the best/worst of the wet/dry/dirty/muddy. I gave up with 
> the dry (wax) flavor and just ad a drop per link of chainsaw oil when the 
> chain tells me it needs it (as in I hear the chain. This is my take on 
> Sheldon Brown’s idea that most people over lube and in so doing adhere 
> micro dirt to the oil and get in into the links where it causes wear. I 
> only lube each link from the top, starting at the quicklink. Externally, 
> things get a bit goopy, but not that bad. And now I only have fixed 
> drivetrain, there are fewer bits to goop. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] New geometry charts available

[Rod Holland]

Interesting; just realized my canti-Sam has longer (slightly) chainstays than 
my Long Haul Trucker...

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Generations of Clems

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It would be dandy if Riv made Clementine decals available...

rod

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[RBW] Re: Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

[Rod Holland]

I had a clicking saddle, too. Really did seem to be the pedals, but no...

rod

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 9:09:48 PM UTC-4, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> I had a similar problem and discovered it the seat.  I swore up and down 
> that it was a pedal, crank, bottom bracket issues and it ended up being the 
> saddle...
>
> Double, triple, and quadruple check your saddle, which may be producing a 
> click in you downstroke at certain cadence.  
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[RBW] Re: (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

Hi, Shoji! I was admiring the HHH as we rode past. I was on my Ebisu (another 
East Bay steel bike). Good day for a ride!

rod

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[RBW] Re: Rim recommendations?

[Rod Holland]

I've had success with Alex DM18s with Compass Stampede Pass Extralights, 
and with Alex Adventurers with Barlows and Snoqs (both Extralight). I laced 
up the DM18s  for the wheel build myself, and found them easy to work with.

rod

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 7:59:50 AM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi guys-
>
> So, it's finally time to replace my defective Sun CR-18s. I really like 
> Compass tires, but in the past have had real trouble fitting supple tires 
> on tubeless-compatible rims (which seem to be the majority of choices these 
> days). Open Pros have always been fantastic for me–quick pop off with a 
> lever or two, and easily reseated with just my hands and a bit of pressure. 
> Though they would work with Barlow Pass and Steilacooms (according to an 
> email with Compass), I'm wondering if something a bit wider would work 
> better. I was snooping around the H Plus Son Archetype and it gets pretty 
> positive reviews. Any experience with this rim and Compass tires? Or any 
> other recommendations for a wider-ish rim that handles supple tire changes 
> quickly and easily? 
>
> Thanks as always!
>
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

We took an 11-mile ride together this afternoon. She's definitely warming to 
it. Someone called out, "Nice Rivendell!" as we rode by.

rod

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Rod Holland]

I just measured the CC top tube length for my this-year 58cm canti-Sam 
frameset. I get 58cm. I may be doing it wrong, somehow. But 3.5cm wrong? 
Dunno...

rod

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I noticed the Sam TT numbers as well.  That seems a lot longer. Being 
> relatively new to Rivendell bikes I just see the increase of Top Tube and 
> Chain Stays in each new model.  
>
> I am curious, for folks who have ridden both, how does the Sam Hillborne 
> compare to the old Atlantis (not taking account the tire clearance).  Some 
> of the measurements are very similar, and from my understanding, the tubes 
> are pretty stout on the SH.  I am currently most enjoying the Rambouilett I 
> have and would love a stouter version of it.  I am 210, so with carrying a 
> kid and groceries, I know I am well passed the Grant recommended weights.  
>
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> I do agree... It helps me as well, at least I believe it does!
>>
>> Also, the Sam H. numbers looks off to me.  It shows the 58cm Sam with a 
>> 61.5cm (effective?) top tube, the same as the Appaloosa.  That would 
>> definitely be a change if correct.
>>
>> Also, in reference to iamkeith's post... It seems I remember two 
>> different sets of geometry numbers around for the Appaloosa.  I just 
>> concentrated on the one I thought correct but I did cringe at the potential 
>> for confusion.
>>
>> Bob
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems reach/stack is absent . that to me is very useful for 
>>> comparisons sake with other models. 
>>> I'd very much appreciate it returning 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tire Pressure Question

[Rod Holland]

I ride my 32mm Stampede Pass Extralights inflated to 60psi front, 65psi 
rear; 235lb rider. I have no doubt I could run them at a somewhat lower 
pressure. I remember a long period of experimentation with GB Cypres ELs, 
looking for the lowest sensible pressure, that ended when I started getting 
pinch flats. In the years since, I've settled on 60/65 in that size range, 
and been happy. I'd run 35mm tires somewhat lower.

rod

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 10:40:57 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> For those of you who ride 700 x 32-35 size tires (with tubes) on roads, 
> what is the minimum tire pressure you're comfortable using? 
>
> I realize there are factors such as rim width, tire compound and rider 
> weight that influence this. Many thanks for your feedback!
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
>

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[RBW] Re: (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

Now it's got a headlight and a bottle cage, and has been ridden for a 
pleasant diagnostic ride, which resulted in tweaking the saddle angle 
further, and also produced smiles.



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[RBW] Re: (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

Here's the bike on NBD+1, with the seatpost rotated 180deg and the saddle 
rotated 360deg (thank you, Bill), with a Crane Suzue bell and a tail light 
installed.

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As luck would have it, the rain dragons decided to go on maneuvers today, 
so the shakedown cruise got punted to tomorrow...

rod

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks, that explains some anomalous behavior of the saddle horn. I was 
> moving fast, and missed it.
>
> rod
>
>

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[RBW] Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[Rod Holland]

Better and better...

rod

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[RBW] A question about terminology

[Rod Holland]

Why is the Bosco handlebar called that? I ask because I was asked. I asked 
Mr. Google, but he was longer on recall than precision on that one.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, all, for sharing your experience with this. Most all the fittings I 
had occasion to expose were well-prepared (grease, anti-seize, loctite, or 
light oil). There were one or two exceptions, but they were easy to 
recognize and deal with, and tended to be trivial anyway (e.g., fender 
mount bolts on the fork). And EVERYTHING that could be tuned, was tuned: no 
fussing with brakes or derailleurs. Now, I didn't pull the bottom bracket 
to check for grease, and didn't want to add a 3-day delay for a 
conscientious frame-saver application (I reckon that can keep until the 
Winter bike-tinkering season). I just put everything that wasn't put 
together, together, added grease, anti-seize, or Tri-Flow as needed, and 
pretty soon it was a bike. 

Thank you, Rivendell!

rod

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:04:03 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> I've just taken delivery of a Clem-L complete, a gift for my girlfriend. 
> As I get set to attach pedals, saddle, bell, etc., it occurs to me to ask 
> what people's experience with the mechanical preparation of Rivendell 
> completes has been. Should I expect that everything that should be lubed, 
> has been lubed? Do I need to second-guess the build? I've never heard 
> stories of that sort here, so I'm guessing not. What are people's 
> expectations for finishing/prepping a newly-delivered Riv complete bike? 
>
> Related question: does Riv normally frame-save their complete bikes?
>
> rod
>

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[RBW] Re: (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

Bill,

Thanks, that explains some anomalous behavior of the saddle horn. I was moving 
fast, and missed it.

rod

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[RBW] (My sweetie's) New Bike Day

[Rod Holland]

I got my consort a 45cm Clem-L complete bike. This arrived Saturday, and I 
put it together today.

Peeking in the box: fun with lossless compression.





Out of the box, but still in a yoga position.




Now it's a bike (some assembly and a bit of grease and anti-seize required).




Immediately thereafter, the bike escaped the basement and Ellen did some 
tentative riding, to permit adjustment of saddle and handlebar height (both 
lowered). She also discovered that V-brakes aren't like the other children, 
but no harm done (I think). Still to be added are lights, a bell, a water 
bottle cage, and a saddlebag, and likely a set of Compass Naches Pass 
Extralights. We'll take a shake-down cruise together tomorrow.


rod





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[RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Rod Holland]

Partially off-topic: does the Banana Sax require saddlebag loops, or will 
it mount on garden-variety saddle rails? I've stared at the pictures, but 
am unsure of what I'm seeing.

rod

On Tuesday, May 8, 2018 at 3:44:53 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Looks like the opening angle and lid are oriented on saddle mounting to 
> where things could fall out unless there is something to stop that that I 
> am not seeing in the rivbike pics.
> The lid doesn't look so precise as to stop allen wrenches or some other 
> small stuff from falling out.
>
> Any reviews and experience? Otherwise looks like an awesome saddle bag! 
> Curious because I might get one!
>

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[RBW] Re: Big Payoff--Californa State Mountain Bike Championships

[Rod Holland]

Bravo!

rod

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 11:13:13 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As all the regulars know, I'm team mechanic and assistant coach for El 
> Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team.  We're a Division 1 team in 
> the Norcal League, Southern Conference.  Our conference is traditionally 
> dominated by Salinas High School, but our local rivals are Berkeley High 
> and Albany High.  Last year was a breakthrough season for us.  We finished 
> 2nd only to Salinas in League.  This season we thought we had a chance 
> against Salinas, but everything had to be perfect.  Meanwhile, it was 
> pretty clear Berkeley was tired of getting beat, and was gunning for us 
> with their massive team.  There were 5 league races, and while all of them 
> were great, none of them was perfect.  Something went wrong each time
>
> Race 1:  Nitzan missed it for a religious ceremony.  Enzo finished third 
> in his race, not realizing he had a broken collarbone.  We were 2nd place
> Race 2:  Enzo missed the race with his broken collarbone.  Rainy 
> conditions slowed down our top varsit boys. We were 2nd place
> Race 3:  Enzo missed the race with his shoulder.  Maddie had a mechanical 
> in the last mile and finished 2nd instead of her normal 1st.  We were 3rd 
> in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 4:  Enzo was back, but had to start in the very back of the field due 
> to having so few points.  Maria was nipped at the line for 1st, the only 
> race she didn't win.  Claire missed the race for a family event.  We were 
> 3rd in the race, 2nd overall
> Race 5:  Almost everyone had their perfect race.  We won JV Girls and 
> Sophomore Girls.  We got a 3rd in Freshman Girls and a 4th in JV Girls.  We 
> got a 2nd in Varsity Boys, Sophomore Boys and Freshman Boys.  We got a 10th 
> in Varsity Boys as well.  All we needed to beat Salinas was a decent 
> showing from our small but strong JV boys, but Tal, our top rider, switched 
> bikes right before the start and had a derailer problem.  He switched bikes 
> again, started 3 minutes behind the entire field, had the ride of his life 
> to finish 6th anyway.  Then the 10 minute penalty for switching bikes 
> placed him 18th.  He could have won that day.  Because of his low showing 
> we placed second to Salinas, 14 points behind them, out of ~4000 total 
> points.  We maintained our 2nd place finish in League
>
> At State Championships, three Leagues race together:  SoCal, NorCal North, 
> and NorCal South.  The three leagues are roughly the same size and 
> strength, traditionally.  So it was pretty normal to expect that if you 
> finished 5th in League, you were probably going to finish 15th in State.  
> The best El Cerrito has ever done was 10th as a team.  Our goal was to be 
> the top team from our league.  In order to keep the fields relatively 
> manageable, only the top ~60% of riders are allowed to compete.  Each of 
> the 11 races are limited to a max field of 100, and all of them had about 
> 80 riders in them, so it was a big event.  It was hosted in Petaluma, so it 
> was the first time this season that our racers got to sleep in their own 
> beds.  Things started great with the girls:  
>
> Maddie, who was first overall in League for JV Girls, finished 4th.  
> Claire, who was 6th overall in League for JV Girls, finished 6th!  Amazing
> Maria, who was first in League in Sophomore Girls, finished 3rd 
>
> That was amazing.  The next wave was the Sophomore Boys, who kept it going
>
> Nitzan was 6th overall in League, and finished on the podium in 5th
> Keith was 8th overall in League, and finished 10th racing on my personal 
> bike (Yes, I have the 10th fastest mountain bike in the State of 
> California, and I can prove it)
>
> Freshman Boys was another slog for Enzo because he again had to race from 
> the back of the pack but plowed through a huge field to finish 12th
>
> Finally, the JV and Varsity Boys went off, and we got three more amazing 
> rides
>
> Tal was 6th overall in JV Boys in League and finished 11th in the State
> Evan was 10th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 20th
> Matt was 5th overall in League for Varsity Boys and finished 5th in a 
> photo-finish for 4th
>
> It was a near-perfect performance for our team, the first nearly perfect 
> day all season.  Salinas was 6th as a team, Berkeley was 8th, and Albany 
> was 9th, but we made our goal as the top team from NorCal-South.  
> NorCal-North was won by Tamalpais High School, but we beat them, too.  
> SoCal has a number of powerhouse teams, led by Newbury Park, but we beat 
> them also.  Many of these teams were fielding 50-60 racers.  We had 16 
> racers and placed SECOND overall in the state of California.  We were only 
> behind Marin County perennial behemoth, Sir Francis Drake High School.  The 
> Drake Pirates are the team that everyone in California wants to be, and we 
> were right on them.  
>
> I'm over the moon with pride about how hard our kids and coaches worked.  

[RBW] Riv complete: appropriate mechanical expectations?

[Rod Holland]

I've just taken delivery of a Clem-L complete, a gift for my girlfriend. As 
I get set to attach pedals, saddle, bell, etc., it occurs to me to ask what 
people's experience with the mechanical preparation of Rivendell completes 
has been. Should I expect that everything that should be lubed, has been 
lubed? Do I need to second-guess the build? I've never heard stories of 
that sort here, so I'm guessing not. What are people's expectations for 
finishing/prepping a newly-delivered Riv complete bike? 

Related question: does Riv normally frame-save their complete bikes?

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Rod Holland]

With RTPs, 40+PSI will get you to the Bouncy House. I run mine at 30/35PSI 
(235lb rider). 

rod

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[RBW] Can I squeeze a Snoqualmie Pass on the Hilsen?

[Rod Holland]

I'm running Snoq Extralights on my LHT. They measure 41.8mm on Alex Adventurer 
rims. Depending on how wide a rim you use, you're probably ok.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Canti Sam Hillborne: No Cable Hangers

[Rod Holland]

Grant,

Thanks for the clarification. I was just staring at the Sam frame and 
scratching my head, wondering what 3rd-party hangers would be compatible 
(but hadn't asked Mr. Google yet). Will ask you guys instead, much better.

rod

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:36:05 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> We have cable hangers, diff kinds front and rear..it's just (now) one of 
> the things you pick. When we included short adjustables, people wanted long 
> ones, and vice versa. So now you just get the one you want, you plunk out 
> $10 or whatever it is, and everybody happy, unless you think it should be 
> included. (We'll trade one for your bottom bracket, ha. And seat post ha 
> and headset, and all those rack boss and bottle boss bolts, which so many 
> frames don't come with, ha. Ha.)
> V vs Canti
> They both WORK. V-brakes have a rep for being harder to modulate, but 
> modulation is in the hand muscles and brain waves, not the lever. It's like 
> saying "power brakes make me skid." You get used to them quick. I used to 
> dis V-brakes, but then...man, it's really hard to once you've used them in 
> stressy downhills. I like the looks of cantilevers, and I'd go with cantis 
> on Sams or 42mm tires or smaller (or thereabouts, it's not a hard line). 
> But for fatties, V's. Not hands down, but yes, they'd be my first. And 
> they're so easy to ... deal with, in the way that you deal with brakes. 
> The new Dia-Compe cantis and the Shimano CX-50, and Paul's are all good, 
> too. 
>
> The rear cable hanger absence: It makes sense to HAVE it if you use 
> cantilevers, but if you have V-brakes it goes unused, and since Nitto makes 
> such great little cable hangers. I think the tiny rear NITTO hangers are 
> some of the neatest things NITTO makes. They put so much work into such 
> small parts and make them look so good. I'm not winning any of these 
> arguments, but they aren't winnable on either side. It's just a style 
> thing, and all options are good!
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 7:41:11 AM UTC-7, d2mini wrote:
>>
>> Just received my SH Canti frame and realized there was no cable hangers 
>> included, permanent or otherwise.
>> Had to order some for front and back.
>> They went through the trouble to weld on the brake mounts... why not a 
>> rear cable hanger? Or tossing in some add-ons with included headset and 
>> seat post?
>> Not a big deal, just kinda curious on that decision.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Clem-L, Bosco handlebars: where to put the bell?

[Rod Holland]

I've ordered a 45cm Clem-L for my consort, which rumor has it should be 
delivered one of these first days. This is the stock build with Bosco bars. 
Question to those with Bosco experience: what's a good place to mount a 
bell in that style cockpit? This will be a Crane Suzue 
, so it will be loud if she 
can reach it... Most of my experience configuring cockpits has been with 
drops or flat bars, I don't have a good sense of hand positions on Boscos.

Thanks,

rod


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis tires rec request

[Rod Holland]

Tim,

I've been using RTP Extralights on my Surly Trucker DeLuxe (a 26"-wheeled 
LHT, for all intents and purposes). I find they measure out at 53mm (2.08") 
on Sun Rhyno Lite rims. What is the inner size of the rims you'll be 
wanting to mount your tires on? The Rhyno Lites have an interior measure of 
22mm. The RTPs fit under Planet Bike Cascadia ATB fenders. You really might 
want to give them at try, if they're what you're really looking for. Of the 
two other tires you mentioned, I'd got with the Naches Pass EL over the 
McClure. The McClure is the last of the "Compassela" tires, good as far as 
they go, but just not as supple as any of the EL variants. 

rod 

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 12:56:30 AM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I have been spoiled by the Barlow Pass EL on my 700c Homer and want to 
> have the same plush ride on my 26" Atlantis.  I doubt the Rat Trap Pass 
> would fit at 2.3", but could probably fit the 1.8" Naches Pass and 
> definitely the 1.5" McClure Pass.
>
> Currently, I'm leaning towards the Naches Pass EL in black.  It doesn't 
> currently have fenders and current usage doesn't require them.  I'd 
> probably need to drop to the McClure to add fenders.  My current usage of 
> the Atlantis is as a grab and go around town bike, which doesn't require 
> rainy rides.
>
> What would your recommendations be for this tire?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot sighting, Arlington Massachusetts

[Rod Holland]

Should have taken a picture. Swept-back bars, not drops. Brooks saddle. 
Clean bike, clean build, everything in its place, well-integrated, 
beautiful.

rod

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 6:18:20 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> What was the build like?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Bleriot sighting, Arlington Massachusetts

[Rod Holland]

Saw a nice Bleriot (wait, is there any other kind?) locked to street 
furniture on Mass. Ave., near the Town Hall, on Wednesday evening. Put a 
spring in my step...

rod

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[RBW] Re: Max tire width for current-generation canti-Sam?

[Rod Holland]

Oops, I seem to have flunked Reading Comprehension... thanks! Should be 
interesting to see what new tire options emerge...

rod

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[RBW] Max tire width for current-generation canti-Sam?

[Rod Holland]

I haven't seen a full geometry chart for this year's run of canti-Sams. I've 
come by a 58cm tuxedo frameset, and am wondering what the maximum 700C tire 
clearance is likely to be. I'm confident I can get Barlows or Snoqs to fit, 
with fenders, but wonder about whether there's room beyond that.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Clem-L pump, frame or other

[Rod Holland]

I suspect you're right about that.

rod

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Rod,
> There's a lot of space behind the seat tube, given the long chain stays. 
> Maybe the HPX can fit there? 
>
> Good luck,
> shoji
>
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 11:10:20 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> I've got a 45 cm Clem-L in the pipeline, a gift for my consort. I'm 
>> wondering what to do about a pump for that bike. My reflexive choice of a 
>> Zefal HPX doesn't look like it will fit, at least not as straight-forwardly 
>> as it does on the pegged, diamond-framed bikes I'm most familiar with. So, 
>> what pumps have people found worked well for this frame? First prize goes 
>> to something that moves a reasonable quantity of air, not a 
>> teeny-tiny-100-strokes-and-done device; if there's a sensible way to mount 
>> a frame pump, so much the better. I've used a Topeak Road Morph once upon a 
>> time, with good results, before I developed the Zefal habit.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> rod
>>
>> <http://www.uez.com.br/aeolus/imagens/aeolus.png>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Clem-L pump, frame or other

[Rod Holland]

I've got a 45 cm Clem-L in the pipeline, a gift for my consort. I'm 
wondering what to do about a pump for that bike. My reflexive choice of a 
Zefal HPX doesn't look like it will fit, at least not as straight-forwardly 
as it does on the pegged, diamond-framed bikes I'm most familiar with. So, 
what pumps have people found worked well for this frame? First prize goes 
to something that moves a reasonable quantity of air, not a 
teeny-tiny-100-strokes-and-done device; if there's a sensible way to mount 
a frame pump, so much the better. I've used a Topeak Road Morph once upon a 
time, with good results, before I developed the Zefal habit.

Thanks,

rod





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[RBW] Why we need to ride...

[Rod Holland]

Thanks, Patrick! Best advice we're likely to receive until Spring declares 
itself.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Rod Holland]

I'm in for some credits. Also bit on the Clem-L pre-sale. Hope that helps with 
the cash flow, too, but my accounting crystal is cloudy...

rod

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[RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Rod Holland]

I've been running RTPs, Snoqs, Barlows, and Stampedes, all EL, on a gamut of 
surfaces in Massachusetts, urban and rural. It's been a happy experience, few 
flats, no sidewall damage over thousands of miles. These tires make any bike 
better. To get the best out of them, keep your pressures moderate.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Rod Holland]

Interesting the way this bike has evolved.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Rod Holland]

Bob,

Score! Many thanks!

rod

On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:27:20 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Rod,
>
> I am assuming this one is valid: 
>  
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>
> I think the one you were seeing is for the earlier (earliest?) versions.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 5:18:34 PM UTC-6, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> The only Sam Hillborne geometry chart I could find 
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
>>  
>> didn't include a row for 58cm; I assume that they weren't made in that 
>> production run. An updated geometry chart would be handy. In the meantime, 
>> I assume it's reasonable to assume that the rear spacing is still 135mm, 
>> and the TT will likely measure somewhere around 60cm. Other build-related 
>> questions may suggest themselves shortly. Interpolating between 56cm and 
>> 60cm geometry data to estimate 58cm geometry seems like a safe bet...
>>
>> rod
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Rod Holland]

The only Sam Hillborne geometry chart I could find 

 
didn't include a row for 58cm; I assume that they weren't made in that 
production run. An updated geometry chart would be handy. In the meantime, 
I assume it's reasonable to assume that the rear spacing is still 135mm, 
and the TT will likely measure somewhere around 60cm. Other build-related 
questions may suggest themselves shortly. Interpolating between 56cm and 
60cm geometry data to estimate 58cm geometry seems like a safe bet...

rod


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[RBW] Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Rod Holland]

Last night I read Grant's Blahg, and these words clicked for me: "Don't buy 
what you don't need, but also don't wait too long if it's in your cards, 
anyway." So I ordered a 58cm Canti-Sam frameset, which joins a 59cm Ocean 
Air Rambler F/F/HS+brakes and an old Nobilette go-fast frame and fork in 
the winter-build queue. I guess that puts me at n+3, and I'm not sure which 
build will come first, now, but it did seem like the time to buy a 
Rivendell, from Rivendell.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

[Rod Holland]

If y'all advise me on the preferred methodology for measuring tire height, I've 
still got those tires mounted on the same rims, and could take a measurement 
and report.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

[Rod Holland]

On the other hand, if you don't plan to run tubeless and you can get hold of a 
NOS or Nwhatever pair of pre-TC Barlow Pass Extralights, I suspect you'll enjoy 
them. Have run both Barlows and Snoqs, EL in both cases, on the same bike, and 
enjoyed both. Barlow steering seems a little quicker, but the keyword is 
"seems".

rod

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[RBW] FS - 2016 Sam Hillborne 58cm orange frame

[Rod Holland]

Bruce, what size wheel does the 58 Sam take?

rod

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[RBW] Anyone tried a Copenhagen wheel on their Rivbike??

[Rod Holland]

I helped my grown son install one on his Surly Cross Cbeck. The wheel was true, 
and the installation was straight-forward. His CC is set up with a triple, btw; 
the ordering process includes a configuration step. The smartphone control 
interface is clean, and the pedal-assist is transparent and natural: Seven 
League Boots.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Rod Holland]

Oops, perhaps I should have said "Rivish", but it's all in the family...

rod

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:26:01 AM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> That Van de Graaff generator is BOBish in its own right, I think. 
> Originally used to drive a particle accelerator, it was superseded in that 
> role by newer technologies, and has been lovingly maintained as a teaching 
> tool since its retirement, still pleasing thousands.
>
>
> <https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--sCKCf0LK--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/rc5nqns4ma5lhikqfrsj.jpg>
>
> rod
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 11:52:18 PM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>>
>> The Boston museum of science has a great lightning hall with the world's 
>> largest Vandergraft generator and good solid science talk. They said rubber 
>> soled shoes would insulate a person in a storm, but the soles would need to 
>> be a mile thick...
>> -Kai
>> BK NY 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Rod Holland]

Patrick,

Nothing more pleasing than cooling rain on a hot day. I had a ride like 
that recently, although much closer to sea level, and with its own object 
lesson in the relative probabilities of lightning hazard versus bad 
driving. The ride was accidentally lovely.



rod

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
> thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
> storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It 
> stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in 
> the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the 
> delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder 
> coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was a 
> veritable feast.
>
> This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and 
> giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the 
> warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as at 
> rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.
>
> After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
> refreshing.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
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>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight of rain

[Rod Holland]

That Van de Graaff generator is BOBish in its own right, I think. 
Originally used to drive a particle accelerator, it was superseded in that 
role by newer technologies, and has been lovingly maintained as a teaching 
tool since its retirement, still pleasing thousands.



rod

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 11:52:18 PM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>
> The Boston museum of science has a great lightning hall with the world's 
> largest Vandergraft generator and good solid science talk. They said rubber 
> soled shoes would insulate a person in a storm, but the soles would need to 
> be a mile thick...
> -Kai
> BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: Pedaling the upper Mississippi

[Rod Holland]

Marc,

Looks like the Blogger URL that you linked is intended for you alone (to 
post via, perhaps), and won't let the rest of us read about your tour 
(which sounds like fun).

rod

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 2:57:05 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I thought some of you might enjoy this trip I just completed. 
> 
>

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