Re: [RBW] 26” to 650c on Rambouillet

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 Thank you Patrick
On Wednesday, June 15, 2022, 08:17:25 PM CDT, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 Bruce: I apologize for the comment, which I should have kept to myself.
GiPnYCHJ1sztp_Vc39v2xwREd%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com.


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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

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 Leah:   Good ride! A senior lady in our club can hang at 18 on flat roads on 
her Clem L. She has made believers of many. Hills slow her down some, but she 
can ride with whatever group she wants to. On one Sunday afternoon ride, my 
friend Frank and I were felling peppy at about 18 mph and she dropped us like 
we were sacks of lead.  The Clem has Conti Contact Speed tires (RBW calls them 
"basketball") instead of Schwalbe. racks and fenders tho.
Tailwinds.
On Tuesday, May 3, 2022, 07:37:56 AM CDT, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:  
 
 I moved the Racing Platypus into the faster class last night. It was 15-16 
mph, and the route chosen was 26.4 miles. That’s the longest club ride I’ve 
attended, and not knowing if I could keep pace made it a little terrifying. The 
group was nice enough but skeptical. I was the last to arrive, and as I wheeled 
my sparkly raspberry Billie-barred mixte into their group of lethal-looking 
black carbon drop-barred bikes I wanted to disappear. 
“Are you with us?” asked one member. Cringe.“Pretty bike,” said another. (Not 
“nice bike” mind you.)My old group pulled up and the ride leader said, “Leah, 
aren’t you coming with us?” 

Right there, I just about caved. Feeling like a traitor to the one group and a 
pretender to the other, I diplomatically said I’d just try the faster group 
this once and see how it went. 
Everyone (but me) clipped in and we set off. I remember thinking that this was 
crazy. But, everything I do now scares me, so away I went. 
There were new things I noticed in this group. They don’t stop - they will slow 
up a bit to let people catch up if need be, and they obey traffic signals but 
other than that, we are moving. You drink your water on the go. They ride 
closer together, probably for drafting purposes. They all magically accelerate 
at a certain point in the ride. I don’t know why they did it, but I figure it 
was because they knew we were at the end of the ride. Like horses racing home 
toward the barn. They talk more about gear and bikes/components. They are not 
appreciating the flowering trees. 
My Apple Watch shows we averaged a perfect 16.0 mph for 26.4 miles. We hit 
speeds of 18.4 mph at times. I thought it was fun to fly around at that speed 
but also hoped we weren’t expected to keep it up for the entirety of the ride. 
My heart rate averaged a very respectable 147 beats/min. I did not feel spent 
or sore or beat up after the ride. As I type this this morning I feel fantastic 
and will lift weights after coffee. 
You can ride your Rivendell to a club ride. You can even join one of the faster 
classes. You will be comfortable and you will get to turn your head and enjoy 
the scenery. But you will have to endure some skepticism and you should do it 
good-naturedly. That way it will be ok for them to change their minds about you 
when the ride is over. 
It’s really fun to do group rides and be with bike people. I like having 
someone else choose the route so I’m free to enjoy the scenery. But this is not 
the highest use of the bicycle. I really like riding to get places and do 
errands best of all. I am glad I don’t have to choose one or the other. My 
bikes can do both.
I have this crazy idea. Next week, I could join my previous group and bring my 
big, huge, hero Clem. Wouldn’t that be wild? Has anyone ridden a Clem on a club 
ride? Leah
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:21:44 PM UTC-4 David Pulsipher wrote:

This is a great story - I love your open mindset to put yourself out there. 
It's easy to feel like "I don't belong" to these types of groups when you see 
people riding differently than you. So commendable.

last year I did a "Gravel Race" on my surly long haul trucker with upright 
bars. So many people looked shocked, but I finished in the top half of the 
group. People were complimenting me on my bike and they actually liked seeing 
bike diversity. I have to admit my curiosity was piqued when my friend said "I 
can't imagine how fast you'd be on a carbon gravel frame." I think I considered 
it for about two days... ; )

 

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 6:23:13 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

I strongly concur! And that's why Leah is da bomb!Doug
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:19 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice.  I meant it as three embedded 
layers of "it ain't gonna happen".  
The strongest layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.  
A. 100:1 odds  Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon.  She'd buy one if 
that was the only way
B. 10:1 odds  Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle" and 
monopolizes the entire industry.  She'd buy one if that was the only wayC. 
1,000,000:1 odds  Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon 
specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some color on 
that thing!
BL in ECOn Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

Bill,My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!Doug

On Thursday, April 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

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 Ah yes, Rivendell models come and go with great frequency. I tell people, if 
you see what you like, buy it. Chances are it won't be there later. Some models 
were made in more quantity so your chances at a resale are better.  Some are 
very scarce. 
To Doug's comment, I would reply, if you think you want a Susie, get it. If you 
think a Clem or a Platy, or a Cheviot or a Betty Foy or any other model is more 
your cup of tea, let it slide.   YMMV
Bruce

On Sunday, December 12, 2021, 04:12:18 PM CST, Doug H. 
 wrote: 
  if the Susie is on the last run buy that one.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

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 VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually made 
more cheaply and at a lower price point.
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell 
 wrote:  
 
 VO is offering something similar:
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html

Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now.

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Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

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 I helped a local friend spec her Clem L purchase recently, and we went with 
upgraded lighter Velocity wheels and the Conti "Basketball" tires instead of 
the usual Schwalbe rubber.  The bike is of course not light, but it rolls like 
a dream and she (an oboe player in her 60s) cruised a hilly loop today (17 
miles, 1,200') and was NOT the last person in (all spaced out 100' or more)  
So, tubeless may have some benefit, but there are good, ligher choices with 
conventional set-ups too. To quote  Queen, "Get on yer bikes and ride!"
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 06:35:07 PM CDT, Joe Bernard 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, you can ride lighter/plusher tires at lower pressure with tubeless for a 
similar 'no flatting' result than what something like a Schwalbe with a tube 
and puncture protection would offer. Sure, if you're light yourself and want to 
ride thin tires with thin tubes then maybe the benefits are negated. I believe 
we're talking about flat protection, too, in the context of this conversation 
and who started the thread. 

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

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 Riding on the side wallks is illegal where I live, unless the sidewalk is part 
of signed multi-use pathway. I'm active in working to make our streets safer 
for cyclists and pedestrians when they are crossing them.
On Friday, January 31, 2020, 04:58:54 PM CST, Leah Peterson 
 wrote:  
 
 I agree with Mas about sidewalks. If the sidewalks are clear, use ‘em.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

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 I wore my blue MUSA pants today and loved them
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:00:08 PM CST, Mark Schneider 
 wrote:  
 
 I ordered the mediums and they are a lot tighter than the old pair of knickers 
I have. The fabric is very nice and they feel almost too nice to get grease all 
over them as I inevitably will. I guess if I had my druthers I'd love these in 
a knicker but these will be prefect for riding and hiking in cooler weather.
Mark

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 7:30:50 AM UTC-8, Christopher Cote wrote:
The new pants are available to order. I just ordered a pair of mediums. $107 
(shipped) for a pair of pants is bonkers. I get it, USA manufactured, small 
batch, lots of overhead... I'm hoping to be blown away by how good they are. 
Anyone else order some?
Chris



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell models and year they were introduced?

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 There are a number of models needing to be added. Rosco Bubbe, for example. 
Perhaps we can document which RR or blog entry 1st announced and when they were 
produced. Atlantis should really be split into the original Toyo/Waterford 
design and the current Taiwan (Maxway?) design.  They are really different 
bikes sharing a paint scheme.
On Saturday, December 21, 2019, 09:40:11 AM CST, aeroperf 
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 I haven't seen the Hubbuhubbuh listed anywhere here.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell models and year they were introduced?

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 Here's a great post from 2015 with a model chronology. Someone who pays closer 
attention to the blog/blahg, etc than I do should update the list to add RBW 
developments of the past 4 years.
On Sunday, November 15, 2015, 07:11:07 PM CST, Zed Martinez 
 wrote:  
 
 OK, found a few more things I was missing from the really old archives. A lot 
of things after this list are somewhere in the Tumblr/Blug archive I know, I 
just read it this summer waiting on my Clem, but it's a PITA to search through 
trying to find specific things.
1994 (Reader 0)-Road (announced)Mtb (announced)All-Rounder 
(announced)
1995 (Reader 1-5)-Road (specs RR2)Mtb (specs 
RR2)All-Rounder (specs RR2)
1996 (Reader 6-8)---LongLow (announced RR8)Cyclocross 
(announced RR8)
1997 (Reader 9-10)---
1998 (Reader 11-14)
Heron Road (Announced RR11)Heron Touring (Announced RR11)Road Standard/LongLow 
made in California, Joe (RR11)
1999 (Reader 15-18)--All-Rounder, Match (RR14,15)Atlantis 
(announced, RR18)
2000 (Reader 19-21)--
Atlantis (arriving, RR19)
2001 (Reader 22-24)--
Rambouillet (announced, RR23)... (2002 expected, RR24)
2002 (Reader 25-28)-Romulus (announced, RR28)Redwood 
(announced, RR28)
2003 (Reader 29-30)--
2004 (Reader 31-34)Quickbeam (announced, RR31)Saluki 
(in development, RR32)Glorius (in development, RR32)Wilbury (in development, 
RR32)Buffalo prototype (RR33)Saluki (shown, RR33)Wilbury (RR34)Glorius (RR34)
2005 (Reader 35-36)---
2006 (Reader 37-38)--Bleriot (announced, RR37)A. Homer 
Hilsen (announced, RR38)
2007 (Reader 39)--
Legolas (shown, never announced? RR39)Bombadil (prototype, RR39)
2008 (Reader 40)
Betty Foy (in development, Peeking Through The Knothole July 27, 2008)Betty Foy 
(prototype, PTTK Nov 29, 2008)
2009 (Reader 41)-Bombadil (announced, RR41)Sam Hillborn 
(announced, RR41)
2010 (Reader 42)Roadeo (announced, RR42)Betty Foy (existed, 
RR42)SimpleOne announced (Peeking Through The Knothole, Nov 19 & Dec 29, 
2010)San Marcos (announced, Riv news archive Jan 11, 2010)... (prototypes, PTTK 
Oct 2, 2010)Hunqapillar (announced, Riv news archive Jan 11,2010)
2012-
Yves Gomez (existed, Harris Cyclery blog Dec 5, 2012)


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

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 Bill:
The "original" "Road" in 1995 was the Riv Road (see RR #2) which came out 
before the "Standand."  It's a nice bike with level TT, normal HT, and 
basically a Waterford RS front married to a slack seat tube/long stay RBW rear. 
Made from Reynolds 753, drawn heavier wall than normal for RBW. The bi-plane 
fork crown is nice too. It is lighter than Ram, Homer, etc, My 54 cm  frame 
weighs 4 lb, 7/8 oz.  My 52 Ram frame weighs 4 lb 8 oz.  The road forks are not 
quite as nicely curved as Ram, the stays are single taper. The lugs are Sachs 
designed, and look powerful. Ram is more typical of Riv curlique designs. My 
'95 Road is still my "go-fast" bike. "Fast" being relative of course, and 
related to  the rider, not the ride.
The Road Standard came out in 1996 with sloped TT, extended HT (see catalog #3) 
Strated out with the same lugs and tubes but  changed lugs by '97 iirc.
   

 On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 12:43:44 AM CDT, Bill M.  
wrote:  
 
 The original Riv Road Standard 

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

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 The color doesn't really matter.  Ram is spec'd for 37 mm btw w/o fenders.  
It's the lugs, the double taper stays, the combo of HT and non HT tubing for 
ride quality, the beautiful fork blade curve, the un dimpled chain stays, the 
fillet brazed drop outs, The Panasonic or Urema paint work with lug window 
details and the neutral steering that corners beautifully on fast descents.
On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 02:38:42 PM CDT, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 Sorry, blue Ram -- doesn't it take fatter tires? Mine took 35-labeled, 
32-actual with fenders.

  

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

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 I recall that RBW advertised an 18 lb build by Mark on either the Roadini or 
Roadeo a few years ago. My '95 Road is currently 18 lbs. My Ram is 22.  I don't 
think a Hillborne could get that light. I used to have a Saluki and it ws in 
the 25 - 27 range. My point was that no steel bike was going to be super light 
as the OP mentioned weight for carrying on and off public transport.
On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 04:28:21 PM CDT, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners 
Bunch  wrote:  
 
 You'd have to work pretty damn hard to get either of those three models 
anywhere near 18lbs 
  



  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Road Re-Build

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 Rich the BB drop is not excessive on the Road so there is no pedal strike and 
also no toe overlap.  The BB heights of all my bikes are:
Road: 10 5/16"  650B conversionRam   10 1/2" This is factory not a 
conversion.Waterford RS-12  10 5/16"   650B conversion (although fork is 
designed as 650B)Nashbar Mk III   11 1/4"   (This was a crit racer frame)  650B 
conversion.
Thanks for the kind words.
On Monday, April 8, 2019, 12:21:25 PM CDT, RichS  
wrote:  
 
 Nicely done Bruce. Glad the ride and handling came together right out of the 
box! That's a great feeling. With the change to 650b wheels did you encounter 
pedal strike?
Best,Rich in ATL

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary Riv

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 I'm with Don on this.  I'd really go for a 25th anniv re-release of a classic 
early Riv, The Road, the Long Low, The All Rounder, with the old style Rvendell 
decal (which was never used for customs.) GP could take orders and only have 
the sizes and qty made that people pont up for.  The orig Reynolds 753 special 
heavy wall tube set is not available, but e could use his Silver Brand tubes, 
recreate the Sachs design lugs and have them made in Taiwan.
Bruce
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 6:49:20 PM CST, Don Compton 
 wrote:  
 
 I have to pass. They've lost me with their new models.

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two projects!

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 working with another list member, we found a source in MS who made them for us 
at a reasonable price. They came out pretty well I think, and I'll post 
pictures after the job is done. 
On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 7:49:17 PM CST, RichS 
 wrote:  
 
 Bruce,

Fun for sure! Like getting two new bikes. What are you using for decals? As I 
recall, Ram decals are no longer available.

Looking forward to the photos. 

Best regards,
Rich in ATL 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Things I wish Rivendell still sold..

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 I don't think New Albion is ripping anyone off design wise. The frames are not 
Rivendells and don't quite ride like them, but they are nice. Ours came to 
$1,100 fully built, which is less than many frame sets only at RBW. 

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 11:51:25 PM CST, Patrick Moore 
 wrote: 
OTOH: is this an illegitimate Riv design rip-off?
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:04 PM Fullylugged  wrote:

re: The Betty Foy. The New Albion Starling is close in design and affordable. I 
built one up for a family member and she really likes it. the blue is close to 
Ram blue too.


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coverting a Rivendell to Lower Trail

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 Thank for posting Garth. Interesting. My Waterford has 2 forks with different 
rakes and brakes that allow 2 wheel sizes. There is a definate difference in 
handling when you change any of those.
On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:25:31 AM CDT, Garth  
wrote:  
 
    This is worth reading  http://normaali.net/temp/Front-End-Geometry.pdf
 If you really want to do this and work with someone who experience adding a 
new fork on existing frames, and not just out of mere curiosity or thinking you 
can save a buck by not buying another frame that handles differently   
it'll work out just fine. 


On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:13:07 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
Has anyone converted a Rivendell to a lower trail front geometry?  If so, did 
the change result in problems?   
Was wondering if the laid back STA & HTA used on Rivendells has an affect when 
going to a lower trail.
John HawrylakWoodstown NJ




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Re: [RBW] What epoch of Rivster are you?

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 Probably a good next thread, but does anyone know what the first Riv ever sold 
was? Is it Chris Kosterman's?  
Dave: If your bike has a sloping TT and extended HT, it is a Road Standard. My 
early one has a level TT and normal HT and is, as shown in RR #2 from early 
1995,  just called a Road. Mine has Suntour dropouts as well. They went to an 
Italian (?) supplier later. Btw, the new cost for my frameset was $895 plus $20 
shipping.  
Tailwinds,
Bruce
On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 5:13:31 PM CDT, David Hallerman 
 wrote:  
 
   
Hey, well considering that I bought one of the first Rivendell road bikes, a 
silver-brazed majesty built by Waterford with Richard Sachs lugs, considering 
at that point the model was called the "Road Standard," if my memory serves.
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

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 This is one of the more entertaining threads for sure.  I'm glad that others 
also prefer the first wave of Riv bikes.  My original Road iis one of the 2 
best bikes I've owned.  The other is a '95 Waterford that has similar geometry 
in lighter tubing. (Riv used heavy wall Reynolds 753. Waterford stayed with 
very light stuff).  My Ram is also a wonderful bike and it is basically a 
Japanese made Long low.
Rich!  Let's let our bikes get together soon.  I'm just in MGM.
Bruce

On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 4:11:39 PM CDT, RichS 
 wrote:  
 
 This is a fun thread. I probably qualify as a "golden ager" in terms of years 
and my heart is with the classic Rivs. Currently riding an Atlantis and a Sam 
but have owned a Clem and a Roadeo so I have crossed over some boundaries. Hope 
to still be riding a Rivendell in my "golden, golden years"!
Best,Rich in ATL

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT Roadeo coming?

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 I don't think they're using actual niobium tubes (these go in nuclear 
reactors) but rather an alloy.  See this page from Columbus.
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On Friday, August 3, 2018, 1:59:57 PM CDT, Brewster Fong  
wrote:  
 
 Niobium tubing is Chinese-made tubing that I think Ritchey uses on its steel 
frames:

http://www.firmetal.com/niobium/niobium-tube-pipe.html

After all, weren't people asking what is Kaisei tubing just a few years ago?!  
Of course, Kaisei tubing use to be known as Ishiwata tubing which is good 
stuff!  

Good Luck!

On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:39:58 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
What the heck is niobium?? I have Oakley shades made of "unobtanium", which 
sounds about as legit. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Is the Roadeo gone?

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 I imagine you could essentially order a Rambouillet or Rodeo as a custom and 
get it fit to you. 
On Monday, July 23, 2018, 12:49:04 PM CDT, Lum Gim Fong 
 wrote:  
 
 So where to turn now for level-2degree max slope TT/regular length 
chainstays/wide tires/snappy ride fully lugged road bike?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

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 I have a stash off Ibex Duo wool/poly panel shorts  that I cut the pads out 
from. Find them on Ebay.  I have a Kucharik pair bought new without a pad. Also 
have icebreaker bibs with a pad. My favorites are Smartwool Rambition shorts 
though, from which I've also cut the pads out. Just a little elastic mixed in 
with the wool.  Under padless shorts, I wear wicking sports briefs in hot 
weather and wool boxers in cold weather. The Kuchharik kind of sags when wet, 
which I'm not wild about. The Ibex is comfy but needs a wash with every use. 
The all wool Smartwool and Kucharik do not.  If I'm a little saddle tender 
after a long ride, I'll use the padded Icebreakers with Bag Balm as the skin 
glide.

On Sunday, July 1, 2018, 5:58:11 PM CDT, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 I have stashed away 3 pairs of Ibex and Kucharik wool shorts for that ever 
elusive >30 mile ride. Meanwhile, I'm happy in boxers and Rapha Randonee shorts 
and, for that matter, in boxers and cut off khakis.
I gave up lycra shorts largely for reasons of comfort, not appearance -- I 
hated the bulky, awkward diapers, the tight clingy fit, and the clamminess when 
you cool down. Worse, for me, than synthetic jerseys.

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: No More Rambouillet Decals @ RBW

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 Great idea Steve.
Thanks
On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 5:16:47 AM CDT, islaysteve 
 wrote:  
 
 Bruce, I responded your request or info on the Old Man Petersen decal on that 
thread.  I have also fashioned a seat tube decal using self-stick vinyl sheet 
cut into a diamond shape, with one of round RBW logo patches in center.  Looks 
quite good IMO, and is removable at any time with no damage to the paint.  
Steve


On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 7:06:41 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
I'm readying my blue Ram for a re-paint (going green this time) and emailed 
Roman about decals.  He reports none left and they don't have the graphics 
files.  Actually, that's Okay. I'd be happy with a more minimalist badging 
anyway. I've asked about an R deat tube decal, but if that is a dead end, does 
anyone have one of those "Old Man Peterson's Ferrous Velocipedes" decals? My 
52cm size only came in blue so the green will be kind of neat, I think.
Thanks

Bruce





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