[RBW] QuikrStuff Mach 2 Bike Rack

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’m over here still riding the wave of joy from the New Yorker Rivendell 
article. Nothing could be better for them than this kind of good publicity, 
I think. But of course the secret rack I ordered arrived yesterday, and I 
want to tell you about it because I’m SURE there are more of us looking for 
racks for our Rivendells.

My Saris Freedom is wearing out. It held 4 bikes and was good at not 
damaging them, but there was just so…much…plastic…on that rack. Things were 
wearing and it was getting scary on the interstate. I got a new vehicle, 
and I didn’t want the Saris dinging up the bumper like it did on my 
minivan. Now was the time to shop for a rack.

I looked high and low. Besides being long wheelbasers, and mixtes, all my 
bikes are fendered. It’s a lot to ask of a rack. 

Turns out fenders are the most limiting factor in rack offerings, which 
quickly narrowed my search results. The two brands that rose to the top of 
my list were 1Up and QuikrStuff. 

History, as I found it online, and which may have errors: 1Up was started 
by one Cal Philips who recruited a 2nd man. There was some sort of dispute, 
a patent expiration, and it led to a legal battle which saw Cal leave and 
draw up plans for a new and improved rack. With a stack of new patents, Cal 
made the Mach2 for QuikrStuff. I liked that the rack was the evolution of 
the highly-lauded 1Up, was full of colorful bits, and was 100% tool-less. I 
cannot emphasize enough how tired I am of wrenching on that dang Saris and 
listening to the tools rattle around in the back of my vehicles.

The Mach2 arrived yesterday. I have pored over the website, the manual and 
all videos the company offers. I am one of those people who needs to 
understand forward and backward how something works before I feel confident 
assembling and using it. 

I have mounted all 3 bikes (one at an time) and am reasonably confident 
that I know how to load them safely. There is a learning curve to how to 
finesse moving heavy, sliding parts where you need them to go, and I have 
taken a bit of a beating doing it. This is the joy and the sorrow of an 
all-metal rack. Ok, here comes the 2nd post, which will have commentary 
with PICS!
Leah

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[RBW] Re: “The Art of Taking it Slow” in The New Yorker

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The writer made such gorgeous language out of it. Favorite quotes:

“But I felt, instead, a very adult sense of longing—as if I had just 
glimpsed, at a deeply inconvenient time, a new and appealing way to live.”

“Rivendell’s employees object to descriptions of the company’s following as 
cultlike. “The other stuff is the cult,” Keating told me.” 

“There was something romantic about the Rivendells. They made the other 
bikes on the road look mean.”

“The strength and fearlessness of the others filled me with an almost 
indescribable envy. What was it like to leave for a long ride at dusk—or 
cycle off into the woods with a sleeping bag, a patch kit, and some 
groceries—and be reasonably assured you’d have a great night? The world 
seemed divided between two types of people: those with a command of the 
physical world, and everyone else. The former had confidence, skill, and 
know-how; the rest of us had YouTube tutorials on removing anti-theft 
skewers.”
 
This was a gorgeous piece of writing that rightly celebrates a brilliant 
man. I’m so happy for him. I’m sure he hates the attention.
Leah


On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 12:24:46 PM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Can confirm the Riv to birding pipeline is real
>
> On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 11:32:24 AM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> dan!g you beat me to posting this!  its a good read and as a " mid 30s 
>> tattooed skater who rides in cut off dickies and vans" I was a little 
>> triggered to learn that I'm very "bird watching adjacent". 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4584.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5005.jpg]
>>
>> Ben "little brother" R
>>
>> On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 7:29:21 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> It’s about Grant, Rivendell, philosophies, …. 
>>>
>>> You can read one New Yorker article for free. 
>>>
>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/09/23/the-art-of-taking-it-slow
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: rivs on amtrak: my report on a fun technicality

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Ok, you’re fun. And clever. I hope we’ll be hearing more from YOU.
Leah

On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 3:04:47 PM UTC-4 in...@brentknepper.com 
wrote:

> hiya grouppe! I'd like to share a fun solution I found via amtrak this 
> past week. there's been some recent posts from Leah 
>  
> and 
> from Chris 
>  
> about 
> fitting Rivs in all their long chainstay and big tire glory on Amtrak's 
> in-car bike parking and racks. in the mid-2010s I did a ton of amtrak 
> adventures coupled with bike camping and backpacking all around the US and 
> Canada, so I enjoyed these posts as 2024 resources for traveling/touring 
> via train and bike- especially now that amtrak is outfitting more of its 
> trains with designated bike areas
>
> anyway, I spent the weekend moving from Chicago to NY's hudson river 
> valley for a new job (midwest group members: forgive me!) and I needed to 
> limit my belongings to what could fit in one (1) U-pack relocube and my 
> car. that was all fine, except I did not have space for my two rivendells! 
> the horror!!
>
> ok, sure, but what about amtrak: well, ya can't officially ship things via 
> amtrak anymore. they stopped their express shipping service in 2020 much to 
> chagrin of college students and frugal others. *however* they do allow 
> for two, free checked bags– or bikes!
>
> before the days of roll-on bike service and bike racks, which some trains 
> still don't have, amtrak allowed passengers to check bikes inside comically 
> large $10 cardboard bike boxes that only required turning the handlebars 
> sideways and removing the pedals. a decade ago, I used these boxes 
> extensively. the baggage handlers have always been respectful with the bike 
> boxes too. a lot of stations even let me keep my box in their baggage area 
> while I was out touring for a week or whatever, so I wouldn't have to buy 
> another box on my way home
>
> I love amtrak, and you've probably figured out what I did by now ◡̈ 
> compared to the time investment of disassembling two bikes, packing them 
> safely in bike shop boxes, and then the cost of bikeflights or pirateship, 
> turns out a one-way amtrak ticket from Chicago to Albany was way cheaper
>
> so last saturday I took my two rivs to chicago's union station- 
> bittersweet as that may have been the last time I roll a bike through there 
> for a while- and checked them in at amtrak's baggage claim. I simply showed 
> them my amtrak e-ticket and they filed it away in their pen-and-paper 
> baggage system. huge bonus: da amtrak guyz said they had a stack of used 
> boxes from friday's holiday travel, so I reused those for free! with the 
> excess of riches, I even shoved the bike boxes inside of each other to 
> double-up the cardboard protection for my brand new periwinkle Sam!
>
> two days later, I drove over to albany's amtrak station and picked up my 
> bikes. no one knew, or cared, that I wasn't on the train or that I was 
> picking up the bikes half a day after the train arrived. hopefully someone 
> on the train enjoyed the additional space of the empty seat I "paid" for 
> too ◡̈ bikes looked great, I stopped by albany's honest weight grocery 
> co-op for snacks, and now I'm back in my new lil apartment filled with 
> moving boxes and anxiety about unpacking them all. luckily, I got cool 
> bikes to ride around on to assuage said anxiety
>
> tl;dr: it was cheaper to buy a train ticket and check two bikes as bags 
> then ship 'em through ups or whatever. 10/10 would do again
>
> [image: IMG_4578.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_4588.jpeg]
>

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Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

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y, September 4, 2024 at 6:52:46 AM UTC-7 
>>>> sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am waiting to hear the write up from a Bill L/Leah anything goes 
>>>>> ride! Bill,  just to play devil's advocate... what bike are you going to 
>>>>> take?!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 6:36:07 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "when are you going to meet me in GR so we can experience this lunacy 
>>>>>> simultaneously?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll let you know if something materializes in late September.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 3:13:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill, I heartily solicit and accept your approvals! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the line of not being precious is also out of MY hands…I 
>>>>>>> seem to go on these adventures with little control over the details 
>>>>>>> (like, 
>>>>>>> I have not the foggiest idea of where I am at any given time ever, so 
>>>>>>> whatever they say I have to do) and then have to face the aftermath. I 
>>>>>>> spent  on that curated little purple sparkler and I will probably 
>>>>>>> spend 
>>>>>>>  fixing it after these GR guys get done with us. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, Bill, when are you going to meet me in GR so we can 
>>>>>>> experience this lunacy simultaneously? I bet it’s not too far from your 
>>>>>>> Michigan whereabouts; I promise it will be worth the drive. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Little Brother Ben, I knew you’d love the look of that Atlantis. It 
>>>>>>> is totally up to your filthy bike standards! I still think J should 
>>>>>>> clean 
>>>>>>> it. Also, I know you would love this ride. Take a vacation!
>>>>>>> L
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 5:06:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I vigorously approve of your wanton disregard for the stern 
>>>>>>>> guidance you received from the Jargon Police Department (JPD).  Keep 
>>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>>> Wilding!  
>>>>>>>> I disapprove of the thought of an older man falling hard and having 
>>>>>>>> a hard time getting up the next day.  I don't like that part of the 
>>>>>>>> story
>>>>>>>> I conditionally approve of not being precious with your bike.  
>>>>>>>> There is a line that you get to draw, and then get to decide if you've 
>>>>>>>> crossed the line you made.  It's out of my hands...
>>>>>>>> I strenuously withhold comment regarding whether or not you are too 
>>>>>>>> old for this kind of activity.  That tops the list of "Things that are 
>>>>>>>> not 
>>>>>>>> my call"  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I went out wilding again in GR last night. This time I took a 
>>>>>>>>> young guy I know from a bike committee we served on together. He is 
>>>>>>>>> almost 
>>>>>>>>> a kid. Like, mid 20s. I’ll call him Jack. This is his Surly, which he 
>>>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>>>> proud of:
>>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bikes began to roll in and Jack was STOKED about all of them. 
>>>>>>>>> We live in a roadie city, and rare is it we see anyone on bikes like 
>>>>>>>>> ours. 
>>>>>>>>> Jack saw bikes IRL he has only seen online. He was absolutely elate

Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

The GR people created an event created on their Facebook group. In addition 
to the usual wild Wednesday night, there is a Saturday, wait for it…

BICYCLE PROM! 

What don’t these people think of? Put on something sparkly and ride en 
masse to a brewery? I’m kind of dying to go. I’m NOT going, but I sorta 
kinda maybe wish I was.
L 

On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 9:36:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "when are you going to meet me in GR so we can experience this lunacy 
> simultaneously?"
>
> I'll let you know if something materializes in late September.
>
> BL
>
> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 3:13:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill, I heartily solicit and accept your approvals! 
>>
>> I think the line of not being precious is also out of MY hands…I seem to 
>> go on these adventures with little control over the details (like, I have 
>> not the foggiest idea of where I am at any given time ever, so whatever 
>> they say I have to do) and then have to face the aftermath. I spent  on 
>> that curated little purple sparkler and I will probably spend  fixing 
>> it after these GR guys get done with us. 
>>
>> In fact, Bill, when are you going to meet me in GR so we can experience 
>> this lunacy simultaneously? I bet it’s not too far from your Michigan 
>> whereabouts; I promise it will be worth the drive. 
>>
>> Little Brother Ben, I knew you’d love the look of that Atlantis. It is 
>> totally up to your filthy bike standards! I still think J should clean it. 
>> Also, I know you would love this ride. Take a vacation!
>> L
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 5:06:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> I vigorously approve of your wanton disregard for the stern guidance you 
>>> received from the Jargon Police Department (JPD).  Keep on Wilding!  
>>> I disapprove of the thought of an older man falling hard and having a 
>>> hard time getting up the next day.  I don't like that part of the story
>>> I conditionally approve of not being precious with your bike.  There is 
>>> a line that you get to draw, and then get to decide if you've crossed the 
>>> line you made.  It's out of my hands...
>>> I strenuously withhold comment regarding whether or not you are too old 
>>> for this kind of activity.  That tops the list of "Things that are not my 
>>> call"  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I went out wilding again in GR last night. This time I took a young guy 
>>>> I know from a bike committee we served on together. He is almost a kid. 
>>>> Like, mid 20s. I’ll call him Jack. This is his Surly, which he is proud of:
>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> The bikes began to roll in and Jack was STOKED about all of them. We 
>>>> live in a roadie city, and rare is it we see anyone on bikes like ours. 
>>>> Jack saw bikes IRL he has only seen online. He was absolutely elated.
>>>>
>>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned that the most dangerous spots would be the front and the 
>>>> back. Also, we’d be running any and all red lights.
>>>>
>>>> “I’m down,” he said, coolly. 
>>>>
>>>> J rolled up on his Atlantis. “All your bikes are in the same state of 
>>>> filth and disrepair, I exclaimed, pulling him into a hug.
>>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>>> “It’s C&O dirt”, J said, defensively. 
>>>> That ride was months ago.
>>>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Last night was a special event - the bike polo event. J took us on a 
>>>> winding route through the city and ended at the new bike polo courts, 
>>>> which 
>>>> J tells me are the best bike polo courts in the country. He routed us 
>>>> through GR historic bike polo places along the way, like this scary space, 
>>>> where they used to play until they were removed from the property as they 
>>>> were a “liability.”
>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> We had the usual hair-raising experiences. A guy took a stick to the 
>>>> wheel riding up a hill and went over his bars. Our mob of 86 riders was 
>>>> forced to suddenly veer off the road to allow the screeching ambulance to 
>>

Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Bill, I heartily solicit and accept your approvals! 

I think the line of not being precious is also out of MY hands…I seem to go 
on these adventures with little control over the details (like, I have not 
the foggiest idea of where I am at any given time ever, so whatever they 
say I have to do) and then have to face the aftermath. I spent  on that 
curated little purple sparkler and I will probably spend  fixing it 
after these GR guys get done with us. 

In fact, Bill, when are you going to meet me in GR so we can experience 
this lunacy simultaneously? I bet it’s not too far from your Michigan 
whereabouts; I promise it will be worth the drive. 

Little Brother Ben, I knew you’d love the look of that Atlantis. It is 
totally up to your filthy bike standards! I still think J should clean it. 
Also, I know you would love this ride. Take a vacation!
L
On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 5:06:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> I vigorously approve of your wanton disregard for the stern guidance you 
> received from the Jargon Police Department (JPD).  Keep on Wilding!  
> I disapprove of the thought of an older man falling hard and having a hard 
> time getting up the next day.  I don't like that part of the story
> I conditionally approve of not being precious with your bike.  There is a 
> line that you get to draw, and then get to decide if you've crossed the 
> line you made.  It's out of my hands...
> I strenuously withhold comment regarding whether or not you are too old 
> for this kind of activity.  That tops the list of "Things that are not my 
> call"  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> I went out wilding again in GR last night. This time I took a young guy I 
>> know from a bike committee we served on together. He is almost a kid. Like, 
>> mid 20s. I’ll call him Jack. This is his Surly, which he is proud of:
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> The bikes began to roll in and Jack was STOKED about all of them. We live 
>> in a roadie city, and rare is it we see anyone on bikes like ours. Jack saw 
>> bikes IRL he has only seen online. He was absolutely elated.
>>
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> I mentioned that the most dangerous spots would be the front and the 
>> back. Also, we’d be running any and all red lights.
>>
>> “I’m down,” he said, coolly. 
>>
>> J rolled up on his Atlantis. “All your bikes are in the same state of 
>> filth and disrepair, I exclaimed, pulling him into a hug.
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>> “It’s C&O dirt”, J said, defensively. 
>> That ride was months ago.
>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>>
>> Last night was a special event - the bike polo event. J took us on a 
>> winding route through the city and ended at the new bike polo courts, which 
>> J tells me are the best bike polo courts in the country. He routed us 
>> through GR historic bike polo places along the way, like this scary space, 
>> where they used to play until they were removed from the property as they 
>> were a “liability.”
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> We had the usual hair-raising experiences. A guy took a stick to the 
>> wheel riding up a hill and went over his bars. Our mob of 86 riders was 
>> forced to suddenly veer off the road to allow the screeching ambulance to 
>> roar by. We had to scramble down an embankment and lift our rigs over train 
>> tracks before ascending one final grassy hill to reach our courts.
>>
>> The bike polo people were waiting with speakers and microphone, alcohol 
>> and other things at the ready and for the taking. I did not do the taking. 
>> Revelry ensued. The bike polo matches began. There were novices and 
>> experts. Lots of crashing. The bikes for this are special - they have one 
>> brake, a front disc, usually, and it’s got a guard. Polo bikes have low 
>> gearing and twitchy handling. Some have nets in the spokes.
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: image5.jpeg]
>> Pictured, some of the 86 bikes that were ridden to the courts that night.
>> [image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>> The Platypus attracted excessive attention by both folks who knew Riv and 
>> who had never heard of it. One man said, “The more I look at this the more 
>> I see..this bike is CURATED. You thought about this bike when you built 
>> it.” The words “deep custom” were bandied about. I must say that men have 
>> been overwhelmingly fond of the tacky My Little Platy, which I did not 
>> expect.
>>
>> At 11

[RBW] Re: Ride Report

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This ride report has made my whole entire night. Who is doing the fun 
rides, the interesting rides, the wilding rides, the rides that may break a 
hip - Friends, it is your RivSisters. 

We are out there on our purple bikes, challenging our physical limits, 
putting ourselves in harm’s way, riding with yahoos, sometimes also with 
our teenage sons, so we can come here and tell you a good story…and maybe 
eat hot dogs. We are nothing if not audacious. 

Liz, I am grinning from ear to ear. I love this story. I love your bravery. 
No way are you 50. Also, your son is adorable. And it is a crying shame we 
have not had the pleasure of more of your stories. Write them all! We are 
here for them!
Love,
Leah

On Tuesday, August 27, 2024 at 6:22:40 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> TW: Bridgestone content 
>
> We do “Sac From The Dead X Shred to Ed's”. A ride report inspired by 
> Leah’s Adventures in Wilding 
>
> Caveat, I did this ride on my 1992 Bridgestone XO-1. It does have 
> Rivendell Silver Shifters. I do own a Rivendell Atlantis and even thought 
> it's a 26er, I left it home. I normally would not put a ride report on what 
> is probably for many of you an event that was too disorganized, too 
> chaotic, and contained too few Rivs. Nonetheless, I was regaling my 
> RivSister Leah with tales of my imagined dirt-goofin' prowess, and she told 
> me to write it down. I enjoy ride reports and bike pics, it’s the main 
> reason I spend time on lists or forums. So here we are. 
>
> A couple of weeks ago I turned fifty. That came with complicated feelings 
> of...well...getting older. Because fifty is one of those age numbers that 
> feels bigly different to reach. But also, I felt happy because my kids are 
> also getting older and that's brought some really positive changes to our 
> household. Including both kids really embracing bike riding! 
>
> Let me start by saying that I know some of you here IRL, and you know me. 
> We live in the same town and maybe you were on this ride! If so, hi. If we 
> follow each other on social media than you already know that earlier this 
> week I made the assertion that if you are an adult with young kids who has 
> lately been thinking about how you'll never get to ride your bikes (or 
> certain of them) again, and you should sell them, you should belay that 
> thought! I spent what felt like *years* trying to get my kids into cycling 
> with me and many a bike got sold for "gathering dust", but last year my 
> older son discovered riding and now it's all he wants to do and talk about. 
> Wow, if he is a mirror of me, I am pretty annoying. But I digress, he has 
> found his legs and the courage to start working on bikes, and talking about 
> being an engineer, and going outside, and volunteering, and touching grass. 
> It's great! So, because he likes to ride and it's something we can do 
> together, we went on a community ride last night: The "Sac From The Dead 
> X Squid Shred to Ed's" (a collaboration of two rides). 
>
> The bikes: I rode my purple 1992 XO-1. It's set up with a Nitto Hi Hi Bar 
> and Panaracer Paselas in the 1.5 flavor. This is the second time I have 
> taken this bike (my "road bike") in the dirt. My son rode his Velo Orange 
> Piolet, AKA The Pig, which is monstrous and made even more so by the 
> addition of Tumbleweed Persuader handlebars. On previous rides I've brought 
> my Rivendell Atlantis and my (formerly) dirt dropped Hot Salad MTB. 
>
> "Sac From The Dead" is billed as the "26th of Every Month ATB Ride" and 
> the idea is supposed to be that you show up on your old 26" wheeled bike 
> and go wild. I've done a couple of these rides and they've varied from 
> comfortable cruising all over town, to what felt like riding into a 
> headwind along twenty miles of chunky railroad ballast. 
> "Shred to Ed's" is both a model of BMX bike built by Sacramento locals 
> Squid Bikes and the description of an activity which involved "spirited" 
> riding to the eponymous Ed's Market, a local corner store with proximity to 
> Sacramento's riverside cutty trails, training and proving grounds of these 
> cool kids of tracklo and cyclocross. Someday I'm gonna ride one of those 
> Squid Bikes...some day. 
>
> Yesterday, the combination of the two rides resulted in a lot of chaotic 
> choices disguised as opportunities to end up at the same place. Levies, 
> both up and down! Semi-active construction sites under the freeway! Deer 
> trails laden with both goat heads and broken glass! Surprise drops, whoops, 
> alley oops, plain old oops! Blinded by the sun, blinded by the dust, don't 
> lose that wheel in front of me because there ain't any sweeps today. But as 
> the ride leaders said when we all met up to get started, or something to 
> the extent of this, "Guys, it's a little gnarly and you might get 
> incapacitated but we'll meet for hot dogs, so it's fine". Okay, no one said 
> that, Leah summed up the ride I described with that and it was so funny and 
> accurate I

[RBW] Re: Basket on front or in back?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Tough call. I have a bike with each. Whatever you choose will feel a little 
foreign but you’ll get used to it and not think about it anymore. I think I 
like the front basket a bit better, but then you do have the annoyance of a 
front rack that makes your bars swing when parked.

On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 3:22:08 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> What do ya'll prefer for a basket?  On the front rack on the rear?  I've 
> ridden with both extensively and see an argument for either.  I'm 
> specifically asking regarding long wheelbases & heavy loads

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[RBW] Re: accidental new bike day

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It is so delightful to read how this accidental bike turned out to be the 
perfect bike for you. Love the color, love the story, and your wife will 
still get another chance at NBD! Where will you do? What will you do? There 
is no telling!
L

On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 7:45:41 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:

> well i bought a suzie 53 with the intention of having my wife ride it. 
>  turns out i like it more and she thinks its too big.
> its a wild ride.  it feels so long and stable but then from saddle to bars 
> it feels comfy and small but spacious.  i feel like you dont sit as inside 
> as a clem but im not as on top as my atlantis.  i also feel like im higher 
> up then on my atlantis (i think its got a high bottom bracket?)
> i took it on my normal wildcat to tilden route and it was an absolute 
> blast.  it climbs hills well and goes down just as easy and absolutely 
> handless the chunder dirt.  im loving this thing
> [image: IMG_7528.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: SE Michigan Riv Ride and Campout

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I will do the ride! Not camp, though 🫣

On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 6:41:11 PM UTC-4 Jeffrey Marco wrote:

> Excellent! I'll add you to the list! I think that makes 4 Atlantis on the 
> ride
>
> On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 6:35:09 PM UTC-4 free...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am planning joining for the ride on my Atlantis. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 9:08:00 AM UTC-4 Jeffrey Marco wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Y'all,
>>> I'll be hosting a Riv ride and Campout In Northern Oakland County 
>>> October 18th & 19th. I've reserved 3 "rustic" camp sites at Addison Oaks 
>>> County Park. Space is limited so please let me know if you plan to camp by 
>>> September 1st. If not, come for the day ride on the 19th. We will roll out 
>>> from Addison Oaks at 11:00am. I've planned a route that will take us over 
>>> 40 miles of some of the most beautiful dirt roads Oakland County has to 
>>> offer. you can expect a casual pace through tree lined roads with rolling 
>>> hills, farm land and most importantly minimal traffic. I have a stop 
>>> planned midway at Blakes Backyard for a bite to eat and refreshments.
>>>
>>> Please DM me with any questions
>>>
>>> hope to see you there!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] A Different Kind of RR

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People here are always posting about their “ride reports.” Something 
enchanting in some far away place with photos that pose the bike JUST SO…

But yesterday I went wilding and I’m going to give you a DIFFERENT kind of 
Ride Report. 

In the next post, though, because you know how I do it…

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Re: [RBW] Let’s talk: 1 Up USA, Quickr Racks

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Dr0Q0pQJegQIFxAB&biw=1422&bih=621&dpr=1.35#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cc99a11e,vid:H9848h70rrY,st:0
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 5:32:49 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think the quikrstuff is a *vast* improvement over 1UP so I 
>>>>>> went with 1UP based on reviews and money. That was just based on 
>>>>>> functionality not ethics of the company. I like to support companies 
>>>>>> that 
>>>>>> aren't sketchy so I am really interested in what that archived article 
>>>>>> says. The link isn't working for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 7:58:31 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m probably going to be the only one here to recommend a Küat NV 
>>>>>>> 2.0, because I know this group has thoroughly lauded the 1UP racks many 
>>>>>>> times over… but please take my 4 years of experience with this rack for 
>>>>>>> what it’s worth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While they are very well-built racks with nice features (and MUSA is 
>>>>>>> a plus), as an owner of several bikes with metal fenders and racks, I 
>>>>>>> simply do not like the way the arms on 1UP racks clamp down on fendered 
>>>>>>> bikes. Yes, I know they make a little foam spacer, but the arm still 
>>>>>>> has to 
>>>>>>> ratchet down and put pressure on your fenders, and I can’t see a little 
>>>>>>> foam padding doing much to prevent potential deformation of a fender. 
>>>>>>> One 
>>>>>>> of my best friends has a 1UP that he loves for all his other bikes 
>>>>>>> *except* 
>>>>>>> for his racked and fendered bike, and he readily admits it to me 
>>>>>>> despite 
>>>>>>> being such a 1UP fan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The NV 2.0 uses a ratcheting swing arm for the front, and a 
>>>>>>> ratcheting rear wheel strap, so you don’t have to clamp anything down 
>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>> your fenders. I put a couple of extra Voile straps on each wheel and 
>>>>>>> around 
>>>>>>> the tray of the rack just for extra security.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have possibly THE longest Riv possible, with the exception of say, 
>>>>>>> an XL Gus. My 54cm medium Gus, with a 50” wheelbase fits just fine and 
>>>>>>> secure on my Küat because 50” is the max. wheelbase… and I’ve carried a 
>>>>>>> 55cm Playtpus that fits perfectly (so there’s your confirmation in that 
>>>>>>> respect).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The built-in cable locks are also a very nice feature. I carry two 
>>>>>>> fendered bikes nearly 900 miles to FL and back 4-5 times each year, and 
>>>>>>> have never had any issues or felt like they were insecure at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian 
>>>>>>> Lex KY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2024, at 7:10 AM, Steven Sweedler  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leah, a friend bought one of these racks after extensive research 
>>>>>>> and couldn’t be happier. He uses it for an array of bikes with and 
>>>>>>> without 
>>>>>>> fenders and suspension, he continues to rave about it. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Sweedler
>>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 6:51 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am no longer a minivan driver. The old gal gave up the ghost and 
>>>>>>>> I replaced her with a Kia Telluride (Leah’s Kia!). I’ve got an appt to 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> a hitch installed Aug 12, and meanwhile am handwringing about racks. I 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> a Saris Freedom 4 bike rack that

[RBW] Let’s talk: 1 Up USA, Quickr Racks

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I am no longer a minivan driver. The old gal gave up the ghost and I 
replaced her with a Kia Telluride (Leah’s Kia!). I’ve got an appt to have a 
hitch installed Aug 12, and meanwhile am handwringing about racks. I have a 
Saris Freedom 4 bike rack that I really liked. But it’s full of plastic 
pieces, which are beginning to fail, AND the rack doesn’t play well with 
all vehicles. My husband’s Jeep Gladiator has a bumper that interferes with 
the rack being in the folded position. I won’t know how it fits with the 
Telluride until I get that hitch.

So, I’ve been looking into racks that will work with fendered, racked 
bikes. There are no perfect options, only options that *might* work. I 
emailed RivSister Joyce, who has fendered, racked Rivs and a 1Up rack and 
she said something interesting. She likes her 1Up, but also, the makers 
split and there’s another company out there making a similar rack with 
improvements. 

Well!

I did some sleuthing and found 
this: 
https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/https://web.archive.org/web/20210212153807/https://www.1upusahistory.com/

And then I went to their website: https://quikrstuff.com

I think the Quikr racks look really, really fantastic. They just cost a 
MINT. I’m wondering if any of you have heard of them and/or have one. I 
really need a good option in my back pocket for when this Saris fails or 
when I discover it hits into the back of my Telluride. 

If nothing else, this is an interesting discussion because there are a lot 
of 1Up fans here and if the article is true, that’s pretty despicable 
behavior on the one guy’s part…
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Horses and Donkeys

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Yes! I did the Chicago ride in June and rode around Torch Lake in July. 
Fabulous, both rides.
L

On Monday, July 29, 2024 at 7:10:10 PM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:

> Nice donkey! 
>
> Was this Michigan ride in addition to the other ride you mentioned doing 
> from Chicago east and north along Lake Michigan? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Monday, July 22, 2024 at 8:34:41 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best 
>> tour I’ve done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one 
>> with the prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the 
>> tour. I giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.
>>
>>
>> My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a donkey. 
>> Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are so 
>> powerful and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight. When 
>> you charge up hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag AND a 
>> change of clothes you know everyone with a horse is looking at you like 
>> you’re a loon. They are carrying one little bottle to keep their horses 
>> light and you’ve packed down your donkey. Everyone underestimates the 
>> donkey. I’m going to change your name in my phone to Donkey.
>>
>>
>> There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the 
>> next post.
>>
>>
>> Who else loves their donkey?!
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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Well well well! How fun and good for you. I hope you take it on a club ride 
and wow them all. 

As for me, I think I’ve gone back to being in Platy Nirvana. I have been 
chewed out twice in recent rides for going too fast (I had my reasons - 
think severe thunderstorm warning with 8 miles to go) so I don’t think I’m 
being hindered by my bike. No road bike for me. Just a Racing Platypus.
Leah

On Saturday, July 27, 2024 at 2:52:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Since this was the thread that inspired me AND because I didn't want to 
> start a new thread about a non-Rivendell (though Riv adjacent) bike. Here 
> is the road bike I picked up to scratch that itch. I think its nice to keep 
> one fully road focused bike in the mix. It just came from the shop and is 
> all ready to go but I need to wrap the bars. Its outfitted with a period 
> correct 105 groupset. If I like the brifter situation (I am new to it) I 
> will likely update it to not have the exposed shifter cables.[image: 
> PXL_20240727_165519576.jpg]
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:07:01 AM UTC-4 Paul G wrote:
>
>> One thing, I think, that separates Riv road bikes from other brands is 
>> the maintaining of good fit AND handling geometry at the smaller frame 
>> sizes this thread is dealing with. The 700c wheel size has to be dealt with 
>> because they physically "get in the way" of good geometry more as the 
>> frames become smaller (because the wheels stay the same size).
>>
>> Regarding the Roadeo specifically, this frame was designed with club 
>> riding, and even tight peloton riding, in mind so the maneuverability is 
>> the quickest of all the Riv road bikes. Moreover, sizes smaller than 59cm 
>> get thinner, superlight tubing (down to 4mm bellies) in the main triangle. 
>> This is assuming the current models still adhere to the original design. So 
>> it's lighter and perhaps more lively than the equivalent Roadini. Finally, 
>> it has more of the look of a classic road bike with its nearly level top 
>> tube.
>>
>> So the Roadeo becomes more unique from the other models in the smaller 
>> sizes. 
>>
>> I've been riding a Roadeo for 10 years now and love it.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 6:02:56 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-04-25 at 6.00.23 PM.png]
>>> @Leah -- Your Platypii are 55's, no? Might be fun to compare the 
>>> numbers. ;)
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:45:35 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, I show up late and there are ten thousand replies already which is 
>>>> too many to read through now 
>>>>
>>>> My initial thought is that going from the racing platy's very upright 
>>>> position all the way to a drop bar road bike is a huge jump. I have to 
>>>> say, 
>>>> drop bars are truly the best in headwinds, but getting a sweep bar setup 
>>>> that allows you to get low and stretch out reaching the forward 'hooks' 
>>>> can 
>>>> be a great compromise between those situations and lower-effort riding.  
>>>>
>>>> If it were me, I'd swap the Rasplaty's bar and stem to the longest of 
>>>> the new 90-190 stems and a Choco bar; I'd then set up the controls so that 
>>>> you can slide your hands all the way to the front curves without having 
>>>> stuff in the way (bar end shifters are great for this!) and wrap this area 
>>>> in Newbaums.  Then I'd slam the stem down as low as you can get away with 
>>>> - 
>>>> bars nearly at saddle level, probably. 
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this exact thing has already been said, nor what 
>>>> reaction may already have been provided, so apologies if I'm being an 
>>>> echo!  Pocket Platy might actually be short enough you can run drop bars 
>>>> on 
>>>> it, but you'd need a very short stem to pull it off - the Nitto / Crust 
>>>> 'BJ' stem should do the trick; it's what I used to get my Bombadil set up 
>>>> with drops at an appropriate reach for me and has that classic Nitto 
>>>> finish 
>>>> and quality. 
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday 25 April 2024 at 10:47:38 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front 
>>>>> derailleur I chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly 
>>>>> used 
>>>>> the crappiest front

[RBW] Horses and Donkeys

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I just got back from northern Michigan’s Ride Around Torch Lake. Best tour 
I’ve done yet. So fun. So many riders. But again, back to square one with 
the prejudice when the hordes of stereotypical roadies see me on the tour. 
I giggled with my sister about some of it on the phone today.


My sister said, I always think you’re riding a donkey. You have a donkey. 
Everyone is riding a horse and Leah brought a donkey! Donkeys are so 
powerful and you can saddle them with an incredible amount of weight. When 
you charge up hills, pull liters and liters of water out of your bag AND a 
change of clothes you know everyone with a horse is looking at you like 
you’re a loon. They are carrying one little bottle to keep their horses 
light and you’ve packed down your donkey. Everyone underestimates the 
donkey. I’m going to change your name in my phone to Donkey.


There was one other donkey on the ride. I’ll send pics of both in the next 
post.


Who else loves their donkey?!

Leah

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[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

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Clem vs Platypus: Which to keep.

This is a tough one because as we age that step-thru Clem feature is pretty 
nice. But the portability of the Platypus (Clems are so long!) and its 
lighter/lither frame are also not to be ignored. I prefer the ride of my 
Platypus, so I sold my Clem. But if you are thinking about growing old with 
your bike, maybe the Clem makes more sense.

On Thursday, July 18, 2024 at 12:44:20 PM UTC-4 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Chris,
>
> at this risk of sending this thread off topic I'm going to ask for 
> information about your over-the-helmet hat. Very cool!
>
> Brian
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:48:46 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe,
>> They’re both great bikes but the Clems are kind of sleepers. You wouldn’t 
>> guess they ride as nice as they do just by looking. 
>>
>> Chris, Thos Moser makes some really nice furniture. 
>> I’m going to build a tool chest to work out the construction details and 
>> then build a blanket chest. 
>> Chairs weren’t that difficult for me once I got over the handwringing. 
>> I use hand tools and a workbench that I built in my carport. 
>> The chair I showed was my third one and I’m really satisfied with the 
>> comfort. I gave the second to my neighbor and he loves it. 
>>
>> I may end up keeping both bikes but the Clem is staying till my niece 
>> wants it. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>> Ray
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 3:38:13 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> Very impressed with the chair! 
>>>
>>> I've built a number of items in our home, more Thos. Moser 'shaker' 
>>> style, but never a chair! 
>>>
>>> As to the cars: We often ride through the San Ysidro Ranch on our bike 
>>> rides, and there were a half dozen of those things in the lot. I think 
>>> they're funny. Makes my back groan to think of getting in and out of one. 
>>> But my back is very happy riding the Clem. 
>>>
>>> - Chris 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:56:13 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_1849.jpeg]I honestly think the Clem may inch ahead on 
 comfort but not hugely so. 
 I agree that the Clem is an exceptionally nice riding bike and I’ve 
 been riding Rivendells for almost 25 years. 
 I like them a lot and if I had more room I would likely have more of 
 them. 

 Chris, I have never had the pleasure to test ride a Sam Maloof chair 
 but I spend several hours a day in one of my own and never want for 
 anything more comfortable, I can’t help you with the car but bright orange 
 compliments that lime olive paint nicely. 
 Here’s my chair 

 Thank you 
 Ray
 On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:25:32 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Ray 
>
>
> I think it was Sam Maloof  who said 
> that a chair should first and foremost invite the individual to come and 
> sit. Rivendell bikes invite me to ride them, far more than any other 
> bicycle manufacturer, and the ride, like Sam’s rocking chairs, always 
> exceed my expectation of the invite. 
>
>
> I’ve owned a number of Rivendell bikes (Road Standard, LongLow, 
> Rambouillet, Bleriot, Bombadil, Sam, and a Platypus) and now a Clem. 
> Clearly I like Rivendell bikes, and the mindset at Rivendell. 
>
>
> I ride the Clem 99% on the road, around town, and typically on two 
> extended rides each week. To me, the Clem is the zenith of the Rivendell 
> experience. I feel like it kindly informs other cyclists that they don’t 
> have to ride carbon frames, or skinny tires, or clipless pedals, or … to 
> just enjoy their authenticity. To me, me, it’s the most authentic of the 
> current Rivendell design. To me, it most inspires wabi-sabi and beausage. 
> I 
> won’t argue any of those points: my truth, maybe no one else’s. 
>
>
> Is there one that is more inviting to you? 
>
>
> Now, can you folks help me decide which color Montecito Pinto goes 
> best with the Clem green in my driveway? I'm thinking of only keeping 
> one. 
>
>
> [image: Montecito_Pintos.jpg]
>
>
> Cheers, 
>
>
> Chris 
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:37:47 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations 
>> when it comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or 
>> planning) because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the 
>> clem than the platy. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either 
>>> one in all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the 
>>> most 
>>> comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
>>> that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

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I feel I’ve finally gotten enough miles on the My Little Platy to trust it. 
It feels really good and sporty and solid. I haven’t loaded it down as I 
haven’t had cause, but I’m sure it would do fine. I’ve added a cerakoted 
pink Racer basket from Analog, secured with aqua zip ties and then even got 
a pink Voile strap (also Analog) I’ve employed as a safety strap for the 
front rack. I think pink is outstanding on Ana Purple. I have lots of it 
sprinkled on the bike and it really sets off the paint color.  It is so 
nice to have a more compact Riv to take if need be; I’m really lucky to be 
able to fit 2 sizes. I still love the big 700c wheels on my other bikes, 
but this more compact frame is fantastic - I can lift and turn it easily 
without feeling like I’m wielding something ungainly.

I’m conflicted about the Silver shifters; they ghost shift and I don’t 
always hit the gears perfectly. I have Microshift on the red Platy and 
honestly, they do a better job. I know I should paint some Loctite on the 
wingnut but I’m reluctant because I don’t know how tight I want the nut to 
be - too tight and it makes the lever really hard to push. Too loose and it 
slips gears. Frustrating, considering the high praise these shifters have 
received. 

I’ll send photos in a separate post.
Leah

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:17:09 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Leah
>
> You stated wrt tires " Both bikes have Velocity Quills, set up tubeless, 
> but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and the My Little Platy has 48 
> mm Gravel Kings."
> If both bikes are 650B, then the Angular Moment of Inertia is slightly 
> higher for the 48's (larger radius, tires weigh more), so the 48s 
> accelerate a little slower vs the 42's
> If the 42's are 700C, the Moment of Inertia for the 42s is higher than a 
> 650B (larger radius) and the difference in acceleration would be less.
>
> You stated wrt to front end shaking  "The front end feels a bit shaky when 
> I stand and pedal, another thing I don’t understand. These are Albatross 
> bars and I have Billies on the others. Also, this bike has a front rack. 
> Maybe that’s why."
> Both bikes have almost identical trail and wheel flop (assuming fork rake 
> is the same since they are both stock Platy's) and the high flop causes 
> side to side motion which is amplified by front weight.   So if the other 
> bike has NO front rack, then the "shakiness" may be the 'amplified" side to 
> side motion.  Not sure if you notice this only at low speed when climbing 
> or when riding around the neighborhood at low speed (generally < 6 to 8 
> mph).High wheel flop is the downside of high trail.
> If the new bike bars have a shorter lever arm to the stem, then you may be 
> overcompensating the side to side motion compared to the other bike
>
> Hope this helps.   I think you did a superlative job on this new bike, 
> figuring out everything in advance.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
>> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
>> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
>> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
>> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
>> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
>> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
>> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
>> differences, I don’t know.
>>
>> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
>> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
>> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
>> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
>> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>>
>> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
>> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
>> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
>> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
>> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
>> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
>> because they come highly lauded. 
>>
>> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
>> don’t understand. These are A

[RBW] Summer Reading by Bike

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have never understood “summer reading.” Why aren’t we doing winter 
reading? That’s when you are supposed to curl up under a warm blanket and 
lose yourself in a book. Summer is TACTILE. You are out there just with 
summer all over you. You have to wash it off at the end of the day, you 
know? There is no sitting inside with books during a northern summer.

I can’t seem to hold still in SW Michigan’s summer. It’s the high holy 
season and I need to be out in it, at all times. You should see my tan. But 
I also love a bandwagon, and if everyone is doing “summer reading” I want 
to be part of the craze. If I am sitting and reading, I’m not riding. So, I 
decided to get a subscription to Audible and see if I could stand to listen 
to narrators to get my books read. 

So far it has been really, really brilliant. I’m used to the narrators now, 
and enjoy them. I end up doing longer rides because I will be at some 
riveting part in the plot and need to know what happens next, and I keep 
pedaling. Good for mind AND body. If you can be on bike paths instead of 
roads, all the better because you are free to let your mind wander. Do not 
attempt this if you are not adept at multitasking! 

I’m sure I miss a detail or two because riding and reading is distracting, 
but mostly I’m tracking. In case anyone else was wondering how to have it 
all, here’s my hot tip. Happy summer reading, not summer SITTING and 
reading!

I just finished All the Colors of the Dark by Chris Whitaker and loved it. 
Starting The God of the Woods now. Both thrillers, if you wanted a 
recommendation. 
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride: Lakeshore Trail, Chicago, June 29

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Reminder: Marc Irwin and I are planning a Riv Ride this Saturday, June 29, 
on Chicago’s famous Lakefront Trail. (Weather permitting!)

We are looking for a group of 5 or more riders, if less, we will 
reschedule. 

When: June 29, 10am
Where: Chicago Lakefront Trail.

We have traditionally had good turnouts and a ton of fun on these rides, so 
I hope to see you this weekend.

RSVP here so we can get a headcount! 
Leah and Marc

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 10:35:42 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> People have been asking when we’re next gathering for another Riv Ride, 
> and summer is flying by. How about we squeeze in a ride on June 29th in 
> Chicago for a group ride on the Lakeshore Trail? We did do a Riv Ride last 
> year beginning in Evanston, but there is (so I hear) another 15 miles of 
> gorgous trail we did not ride yet.
>
> Place: Chicago Lakeshore Trail, meeting spot to be announced later
> Date: Saturday, June 29
> Time: 10:00 am
> Please let me know if you plan to come so we get an idea of a headcount.
>
> Thanks,
> Leah and Marc
>

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[RBW] Re: Mosquito infested NH White Mtns day tour

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Yankeebird that dumb thing has happened to me too! In the year 2024, why is 
Google so stupid? So I will often make my initial thread and then when you 
get the email, reply from there instead of the Google Group website. I find 
you can send pics more easily then. Some people even know how to embed 
photos in their actual post, but that rarely works for me, and if it does, 
ONLY from the email. I want to see the photos! Try again!

On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:

> When it has said that to me I've found it means the images are too big. 
> I've had luck resizing them to no more than 5MB total per post. Hope this 
> helps - I'd like to see your photos!
>
> On Sunday 23 June 2024 at 11:33:07 UTC+9:30 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Wow it hates me
>> I'll try again tomorrow
>> If anyone has any tips as to how many I can embed into the text using 
>> Google's resizer to "best fit" pls let me know
>>
>> On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 9:54:35 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Ya'll have to imagine it
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 Probably one of my top 3 worst mosquito experiences in New England and 
 we forgot the dope. 

 Nice and cool though, mid 60s while everyone south of NH was 
 sweltering. Light rain.

 I rode my Clem L and my bike buddy rode his Peugot Orient Express that 
 he found on the side of the road for free. He put some Gravel Kings, a 
 B17, 
 and new grips on the bars and that was that. Everything else, including 
 drivetrain is original.

  [image: image.png]

 I want to post more pictures but it keeps telling me the post is too 
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[RBW] Riv Ride: Lakeshore Trail, Chicago, June 29

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Friends,

People have been asking when we’re next gathering for another Riv Ride, and 
summer is flying by. How about we squeeze in a ride on June 29th in Chicago 
for a group ride on the Lakeshore Trail? We did do a Riv Ride last year 
beginning in Evanston, but there is (so I hear) another 15 miles of gorgous 
trail we did not ride yet.

Place: Chicago Lakeshore Trail, meeting spot to be announced later
Date: Saturday, June 29
Time: 10:00 am
Please let me know if you plan to come so we get an idea of a headcount.

Thanks,
Leah and Marc

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Re: [RBW] Re: Now officially a member

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Ted! A new Platypus! And you must be in the Chicago area if you went to 
Mack’s! I am planning an upcoming Lakeshore Trail ride (to be posted later 
tonight) for two weekends from now. I would love to meet you and admire 
each other’s Platys.
Leah

On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 5:36:02 PM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Still needs some racks and other changes, but here she is.
>
> Thinking of having some 44 slicks on for when I’m on the road (opinions 
> welcome). And possibly swapping the Shimano dyno hub and the light with the 
> SON and Edelux I have on my other bike. 
>
> Will likely never be done with accessorizing. Considering Pass and Stow 
> rack instead of the Nitto. And unsure of direction with fenders. 
>
> Relative to the N+1 crowd, heard. Small garage and a mental focus on 
> minimizing the “stuff” I don’t use…I may sell the old bike. It may become 
> something else. Will see….
>
> Ted
>
> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Welcome indeed.
> You MUST be new here -- where are the pictures??
>
> Also congratulations on New Bike Day. You added to your quiver, all good.
>
> But where does this "bike to sell" idea come from..? 
> N+1
>
> cheers -mathias
>
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 7:18:57 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Welcome T!!
>> Happy Rolling
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 11:46:26 AM UTC-4 ted...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Picked up my Platypus today at Mack's Bike and Goods here in Evanston, 
>>> IL. Rode my old bike there, and left it at the shop (maybe forever?). Put 
>>> 30 miles on the tires, and almost 2 hours of smiles on my face. 
>>>
>>> Team at Riv (James in this instance) were supportive in the shopping 
>>> phase. 
>>>
>>> All good. Now I've an old bike to sell.
>>>
>>> T
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

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Mike, here’s the 
route: 
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1k9hIzhK3Zfkv06aahXt70nqzcJcL30w&ll=41.73698139329192%2C-87.4057963350737&z=9

Valerie, You are the best. Am I a bad person if the color of that Roadeo 
rules it out for me? 

Scott, how in the world did I cross paths with your wife? She was one of 
the only people I spoke to at the start of the ride. Yes, we are planning 
another lake shore ride later on. I met up with Sean, who lives in Chicago 
and he was begging to make another ride and ride further on the Lakeshore 
path. We just have to nail down a date! Maybe The Lone Wolf and I will take 
Amtrak this time! 

Tom, yes, you had better bring a bike! Don’t show your face unless you plan 
to ride with us! 😁 I did meet nice people, but if it wasn’t for them, I am 
not sure what I would have done. Most people seemed into their own groups 
and I’m not sure I could have just gotten in one on the fly. 

I hope if I do it next year there will be some Chicago List members who 
would like to transition from Internet Friends to Real Life Friends. Of 
course I’d love Leif and his wife to join us because everyone would love 
them. I should probably message Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston next 
time, now that I think about it.

Anyway, I’ve got the bug now and it’s going to be hard to get back to Real 
Life around here.
Leah




On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 12:07:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Leah - Fantastic ride report. Your energy is so positive.  Love all the 
> details. 
>
> While you were away, we found an exquisite drop-bar bike for you: Rich's 
> Roadeo <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/SxeeyQKb1oU>
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2024 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-6 Scott Marriott wrote:
>
>> Scott here. My wife was kind of roped into the ride by a friend and she 
>> had a lot of fun. I actually mentioned to her that you bike was the 
>> idealized version of the bike I'd like for her to ride, but she's resistant 
>> to buying a Riv for herself. This one in the picture is a Trek 1984 420L 
>> mixte which is a kind of a an odd-ball early trek. (Sadly not Reynolds or 
>> Ishiwata, which would have made for a lighter bike.) The one actual direct 
>> from Riv item on the bike is the thumb shifter mounted on top of the 
>> handlebar close to the stem. Otherwise most of the bike is definitely 
>> Riv-spired.  That said when I was picking up yesterday in New Buffalo I was 
>> shocked to see so many boring (to me) bikes. It felt like at least 70% of 
>> the bikes where some type of Trek Domaine variant, there were a few Surly's 
>> and two Gunnar's, but I didn't see any vintage steel which was surprising.  
>> Glad you had a nice ride. Any thoughts on another Chicago group ride?
>>
>> Scott Marriott, Chicago (Hyde Park)
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2024 at 8:21:43 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi you guys,
>>>
>>> I am home from my first real bike adventure. It was pretty darn perfect.
>>>
>>> I got on Amtrak just great at Kalamazoo. I rode to the station and got 
>>> there embarrassingly early. The agent helped me hoist the bike up the steep 
>>> steps (nearly impossible for just me as the back had three heavy bags and 
>>> the angle was practically vertical). He gave me premiere parking in the 
>>> hallway! And he helped lift the bike down those same steep stairs at the 
>>> ride’s end.
>>>
>>> Leif from this List reached out to me and invited me to ride with a 
>>> group of his friends (and his wife). They were Chicagoan, experienced 
>>> cyclists who had their own extras to put on the agenda and were welcoming 
>>> to add-ons like me. I had never met Leif, but he was as nice as you might 
>>> imagine and so was his wife. When do you ever decide to travel across state 
>>> lines with 6 strangers and think that’s a safe idea? Only on a bike tour. 
>>>
>>> The friends rode a variety of bikes, several had drop bars and 2 of them 
>>> were wearing kit. The rest of us were in normal clothes. Almost all of us 
>>> were about the same age, which was really nice as we were all in similar 
>>> stages of life. The group was SO kind and did not make me feel like an 
>>> interloper at all. Accomplished, interesting people, they were enjoyable to 
>>> chat with and I loved hearing about their lives. There were 2 married 
>>> couples in the group and they were very happy to be on their bikes 
>>> together. (Sweet!) This Tour de Shore was the leader’s 10th year doing it, 
>>> and he had prepared fun side quests for us. We took an extra and more 
>>> scenic departure

[RBW] 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi! Quick question. I was looking at Amtrak and I know my 55 Platy is too 
long - it’s like 74” and the max for Amtrak is 70”. However, if you are 
rolling the bike on board, are they really very strict? I ask because it 
would be great to ride the train home from New Buffalo back to Kzoo after 
the wrap-up of my tour on Saturday. I have never ridden Amtrak, so I don’t 
know what the setup is inside the train cars. 

If anyone has successfully wheeled a longwheelbaser onto Amtrak, let me 
know. 

Yes, yes, I know this is what my little purple pocket Platy is for, but 
that bike would not be my choice for a 106 mile road ride. I want my 700c 
wheels with the 42mm tires!

Leah

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[RBW] Le Tour De Shore Ride anyone?

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Hi Friends,

I am, for the first time, doing the Le Tour De Shore Ride that starts in 
Chicago and concludes in New Buffalo, Michigan. I’ve never done something 
like this where I begin in one city and state and end in another. Really 
excited, but also nervous. I am also doing it without any buddies. I’m sure 
I’ll meet nice people on the ride, but it would be so great if those nice 
people could be YOU. I’ll arrive Thursday night to my hotel and bike with 
my stuff to the start of the ride. I should be on the raspberry Platypus. 
Probably will put the Nitto big back rack on so I can bring my stuff from 
my hotel in my Backabike bags and drop at gear check. I got packing cubes 
for this! an experiment! Will this work? Don’t know. Lots of handwringing. 

Anyway, is anyone on here planning to do the ride? I’d love to meet up 
and/or ride together. Here’s the ride info, in case anyone wants to sign up 
last minute:
https://www.letourdeshore.com/ride-details
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Let me introduce my Atlantis...

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Yay for Ben and his first post! 

So, backstory (I love a good backstory.) Ben showed up in my IG DMs one day 
and we got to chatting. A mechanic at Blue Heron came up in conversation 
(he has a colorful Platypus and is a friend of Ben’s). I said, “My friend 
Sarah knows him!” And then I pointed Ben to Sarah’s IG and he became 
familiar with her yellow Platypus. One day I got an excited message from 
Ben, who had seen Sarah in passing out on her Platy. He didn’t feel like he 
should stop her to introduce himself in case that would scare her. I said 
I’d reach out and connect them. And those two have been good buddies ever 
since. 

So, being that Ben is just a kid, we call him our Little Brother, as in, 
“I’m meeting our Little Brother for coffee” and “Did you tell our Little 
Brother about that Platypus for sale” and so on and so forth. He and Sarah 
ride their matching Atlanti together and Ben jokes one day they’ll get a 
Hubbah Hubbah. I wish I was close enough to be in Sarah and Ben’s riding 
group, but one day I’ll make a trek to California so I can do a ride with 
them and be one big happy bunch of RivSiblings.

Pam Murray always says “Bike people are the best people” and Pam Murray is 
never wrong.
Leah

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 3:50:35 PM UTC-4 ben.r...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_5333.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5077.jpg][image: IMG_5080.jpg][image: IMG_5081.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:
>>
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> this is my third attempt at posting so hope fully it goes well. hope 
>>> fully my tech illiterate self can figure this out... 
>>> here is my 53 Atlantis i picked up in December from an RBW member. 
>>>  shout out to Zac big thank you.
>>> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis on top of 
>>> that.  When i first saw riv's the Atlantis was the one that i was like "i 
>>> have to own one at some point".
>>> i feel very lucky to not only own a Rivendell but an Atlantis.  its a 
>>> group within a group.  
>>> You can find me hiding up in the Berkley hills or on the Wildcat trail 
>>> and even running errands along the Greenway.
>>> Still figuring out the set up, but i think for the most part we are 
>>> pretty dialed.  maybe a few things here and there.  i do have an XTR Rapid 
>>> rise that will go on next.
>>> Big shout out to Alex K, The Riv sisters.  Especially Leah and Sarah. 
>>>  Sarah has become my new riding partner. 
>>> *pics coming in next post
>>> Ben R from El Cerrito
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

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I think your ‘fit is definitely bike stylish! Those are great shorts and I 
like the helmet, too. Even the sweat is a good look - shows you REALLY DID 
IT out there!

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 12:49:33 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not necessarily "styling", but a lone picture of me on the Los Angeles 
> invitational ride recently climbing up Mt Lowe.  Super stretchy ripton 
> denim shorts are as close to lycra as denim can be, with a super thin 
> icebreaker merino base layer. Sweat reflects about a 4000ft climb in less 
> than 12 miles. :) New purple POC helmet happened to match the Platy, 
> heavily discounted on bikecloset.com right now. (Replace your helmet 
> folks! I didn't have a good look at my ~8 year old Giro helmet and it was 
> riddled with cracks in all the corners). I don't condone Rapha wear, but I 
> have found their polycotton cycling caps to some of the best, which I'm 
> wearing here. As a fully bald headed person a good cycling cap is critical. 
>
> [image: IMG_3396.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 7:41:36 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Time to revive this thread. Because…well, when you have the perfect shoes 
>> for your bike, you gotta let people know.
>>
>> Now you'll have to answer the question ... did you get the bike to match 
>> the shoes, or the shoes to match the bike?
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

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Armand, 

No, Paul won’t do cerakoting for you. This was done through Analog Cycles, 
who have access to a cerakoter. You can get special ano Paul stuff, but I 
don’t think they will offer the same level of choice. These brakes were 
mismatched on purpose, and so were the levers, an Analog brainchild that I 
loved. I ended up not using the levers because I needed the rainbow to tie 
in up at the bars. 

When I said I had a list of makers to thank I wasn’t exaggerating! The 
parts were specialty in many ways. I think the makers went beyond what 
would be expected. They were all so personable and seemed interested to see 
the finished product. And then the shop really had its work cut out, facing 
the bottom bracket shell for the cranks and re-wiring my lighting. Oh, and 
fitting the racks! I really need to head over there with some kind of gift

Also, you’re a tough Platy act to follow. I told RivSister Sarah, “Armand 
just posted his classy purple Platy and I have to follow it with Rainbow 
Brite?!”

L



On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 11:56:00 AM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
> interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:30:52 AM UTC-7 jeffrey kane wrote:
>
>> This is easily the winner for single greatest injection of personalized 
>> Easter Eggs in one project that I've ever seen... that is for sure (!) 
>> It simply has to be a "best of show" contender somewhere. 
>> Congratulations LP!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 10:06:30 AM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>>> So glad you posted this here, as the Insta vid is so fun. 
>>> Congratulations!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:56:58 AM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>>
>>>> What a wonder! Absolutely terrific...and I loved hearing the 
>>>> backstories!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 6:08 AM ian m  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Love the iridescent bits, the anodizer really nailed it
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:51:27 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When "too much" is "just right." This bike will make you (and anyone 
>>>>>> who sees it) smile. Who could not smile at the sight on a My Little 
>>>>>> Platy 
>>>>>> coming down the road! I hope you have many joyous miles riding, and that 
>>>>>> some of them are in California so we can see it in person!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
>>>>>>> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty 
>>>>>>> parts 
>>>>>>> to arrive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes 
>>>>>>> with most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike 
>>>>>>> My Little Platy. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be 
>>>>>>> taken on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings 
>>>>>>> cannot 
>>>>>>> do. I put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel 
>>>>>>> Platy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
>>>>>>> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. 
>>>>>>> (I 
>>>>>>> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
>>>>>>> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted 
>>>>>>> oil 
>>>>>>> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this b

[RBW] New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Finally. New. Bike. Day.

This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
(November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
to arrive.

Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 

The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
Little Platy. 

The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken on 
Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I put 
fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.

I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had rainbow 
hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the colors? 
I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I had my 
Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for grips, I 
found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil slick 
everywhere I could get it. 

Because oil slick has ALL the colors.

All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. They 
sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
She understood the assignment. 

I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.

Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite Components, 
Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making this silly 
concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to Rivendell 
Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.

Please find my video link below.
Leah
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=

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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen Photo Thread

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Beautiful builds! 

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[RBW] Love to Ride: Commuter Challenge

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

My love for my new home state is well-documented. After 18 years of desert 
living, we moved to Michigan, where none of us Petersons had set foot prior 
to the job interview. 

I have finally found a biking community, right here in a state that has 
winter. 

Anyway, I got asked to be on a committee that would help launch a new 
initiative to get more people on bikes. There is a lot of lovely new 
infrastructure in downtown, and we are hoping to get people to use it to 
get to work/events/dining/shopping. We are using the app Love to Ride, 
which will allow people in the city and surrounding areas to sign up, join 
the challenge and compete against other people for a 2 week challenge in 
May. The city is eager to have the data that the heat maps will generate, 
showing where people are riding and where they are not. Hopefully this 
influences further infrastructure in the near future.

Today there was a local news article, and one of the men I’m serving with 
is pictured with his RIVENDELL. Paul’s brother John Sotherland built the 
Rivendell frames at Waterford back in…whatever day that was. I almost never 
saw other Rivs in the other places I’ve lived, but Michigan has plenty of 
them.

Here’s the 
article: 
https://www.secondwavemedia.com/southwest-michigan/features/Kalamazoo-Commuter-Challenge-encourage-new-cyclists.051624.aspx

Leah

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Aren’t the Platys the best? I’m so excited for you to have this beauty and 
have it forever. I loved this model so much I ended up with a trio of them. 
I regret nothing. My purple Gravel & Travel Platy is being built up with 
rainbow and oil slick parts right now, and I’m anxious to see it. It won’t 
be classy like your regal purple Platy, though. 

Are you going to change to v brakes? How do you like the Silver Shifters? I 
got those, too, and it will be my first bike with them. 

I look forward to hearing more about your adventures on this new bike and 
especially at the LA Invitational Ride! This bike can do almost anything. 
10,000 feet of climbing. Pssshhahhh. No problem. 
Leah
On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:07:12 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a 
> narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve steep, 
> technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending 
> rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope it encounter them with 
> little frequency. 
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw4lpolns8s6x6cyzg07w/IMG_9041.MOV?rlkey=608dbcfa4tx3nxvu36wthlm8a&dl=0
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:58:59 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> This last weekend I took it on a mixed terrain ride, about 35 miles with 
>> over 3500ft of climbing. I was shocked with how well it handled the route. 
>> The lack of friction in the system as a whole, from the white industries 
>> hubs, to dura ace bottom bracket, to rene herse extralight tires, made my 
>> drop-bar bike feel neglected and abused, that is to say, this bike feels 
>> like butter. This sensation was amplified by swapping in SPD pedals for the 
>> first time and feeling “connected.” The forward position of the Ortho bars 
>> are fantastic for out of the saddle climbing leverage, or on the saddle 
>> technical climbing on singletrack, elbows flared down. With 48mm slicks 
>> aired a bit down, the long chainstays allowed me to have enough traction to 
>> only have to walk one segment. I can’t wait to try it with the Rene Herse 
>> knobby equivalent. The ability to tap into a restorative position (aka the 
>> default riding position) made the entire route so utterly comfortable, 
>> without a hint of a back or neck ache developing. Not something I would be 
>> able to say on my drop-bar bike, which has bars levels with the saddle mind 
>> you.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3348.JPG]
>>
>> There is so much to write about, I will let you ask any questions you 
>> have. Look for a ride report after this weekend, where I will strip the 
>> racks off and ride 60+ miles with 10,000ft of climbing with this at the LA 
>> Invitational ride. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:56:44 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> *
>>>
>>> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
>>> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
>>> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
>>> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
>>> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>>>
>>> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
>>> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
>>> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
>>> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
>>> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
>>> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
>>> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>>>
>>> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
>>> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
>>> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
>>> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
>>> tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
>>> especially on dirt. 
>>>
>>> Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
>>> triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
>>> self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
>>> hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
>>> bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
>>> to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
>>> for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
>>> cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
>>> roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front

[RBW] Re: WTB: 50 cm Roadini

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You guys are the best! Also, funny. Thanks for keeping your eyes peeled - 
with any luck, we’ll find one during riding season, and if not, there are 
Roadinis coming to Riv this fall. The Racing Platypus is still plenty up to 
the task, so I can be patient. 😉
L

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 1:32:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "I'm sure we'll all try and keep our eyes peeled :)"
>
> As a long time Friend Of Leah I take it as a personal affront that I 
> haven't been able to find this bike for her yet, I've been searching like 
> it's my JOB. Step up, people! 
>
> Joe "it's gotta be here somewhere" Bernard 
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 5:27:17 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I'm sure we'll all try and keep our eyes peeled :) 
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 7:23:01 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking to try out a RivRoad bike and specifically, a 50 cm 
>>> Roadini. I’ve been looking on my own, but no luck so far. I’d like one with 
>>> drop bars, so I wouldn’t have to swap out the whole setup, as this likely 
>>> isn’t a forever bike…it’s an experiment. But we’ll see. 
>>>
>>> If you have one for sale, or if you see one for sale, would you help 
>>> your RivSister out and tell me? 
>>>
>>> Thanks always!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: 50 cm Roadini

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I am looking to try out a RivRoad bike and specifically, a 50 cm Roadini. 
I’ve been looking on my own, but no luck so far. I’d like one with drop 
bars, so I wouldn’t have to swap out the whole setup, as this likely isn’t 
a forever bike…it’s an experiment. But we’ll see. 

If you have one for sale, or if you see one for sale, would you help your 
RivSister out and tell me? 

Thanks always!
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Valerie, I’m going to take your formula and apply it. I’m looking for the 
used 50 Roadini and if anyone sees one first ,will ya send it my way? And 
then maybe this fall I end up with the lugged and sell the TIG’d. I don’t 
know! It’s an adventure! I plan to be impulsive! Not money-savvy! A real 
handful! 🤩 

Join me,
Leah

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:50:30 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky smooth. 
> Entirely 
> comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. Which is why I was able 
> to let it go. I am so glad it is living its best life. 
>
> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you love it 
> and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one doesn't turn up, 
> order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged one is 
> pending, then it depends on price and timing. 😁 
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>
>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides on a 
>> road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! I was lucky 
>> to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as the 
>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth tires 
>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a surprise 
>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>
>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals and my 
>> bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ seem confused 
>> about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike doesn't meet their 
>> expectations, the women and other folks always say how beautiful the 
>> Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd feet clean 
>> while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat it is that 
>> I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the roadie-culture 
>> promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :)
>>
>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your 
>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and hope a 
>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to add to 
>> your hella colorful collection
>>
>> -Brent in chicago
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is SO fun. 
>>>
>>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get your 
>>> answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so cool. Here you 
>>> were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I truly hope we 
>>> get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree about the 
>>> Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the updated 
>>> model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I was hoping for. 
>>> That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A Roadini should be a great 
>>> choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or hope for a 50 on the used 
>>> market? So far there have been none to be found…
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Me either!
>>>>
>>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure!
>>>>
>>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom 
>>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price…
>>>>
>>>> P. W.
>>>> ~
>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>> ~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be entirely 
>>>> irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add that nothing in 
>>>> that picture says go-fast club rides to me. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably feels, 
>>>>> compared to the larger, presumably production verison of the same bike, 
>>>>> without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6222]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P. W.
>>>>> ~
>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>> ~
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

>>>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for sweptback 
>>>>>> bars and the roadini was not. In the world of Rivendell I am not sure 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> that equates to because most of their bikes can go either way and Grant 
>>>>>> has 
>>>>>> said that is true here too if you use a short stem. That statement tells 
>>>>>> me 
>>>>>> that the effective top tube on the gallop will be longer and most likely 
>>>>>> the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure out how to measure those 
>>>>>> things well I can give it a shot on my prototype and assuming the end 
>>>>>> geometry is pretty similar to the production model we would get some 
>>>>>> info. 
>>>>>> Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different enough to get you a go 
>>>>>> fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry providing a better fit 
>>>>>> for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the drops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a larger 
>>>>>> size to fit better. I think its a good guess that Rivendell would steer 
>>>>>> people that way and you likely would be very comfy on a size similar to 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> larger Platy but I think doing that might make drops a bit harder to be 
>>>>>> comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short stem. I guess 
>>>>>> thats 
>>>>>> not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a little more open on 
>>>>>> the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy you will be 
>>>>>> packed 
>>>>>> with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to rely on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty similar between 
>>>>>> the two
>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to bars for me! 
>>>>>>> But it’s pretty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I lived in 
>>>>>>> your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try your bikes. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it all boils down, it’s this:
>>>>>>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down roadish 
>>>>>>> Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on group rides. 
>>>>>>> Rivendell 
>>>>>>> offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) road bikes in their 
>>>>>>> lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and see which one 
>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their product 
>>>>>>> description 
>>>>>>> when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. Meanwhile, we get to 
>>>>>>> chat 
>>>>>>> and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads of fun! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me. 
>>>>>>> Keep it coming!
>>>>>>> L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, I bet the 
>>>>>>> tire clearance is actually massive!”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 😂
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what better 
>>>>>>> source of inspiration than Will’s:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See also:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg>
>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> 
>>>>>>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck #willkeating 
>>>>>>> @rivbike" 
>>>>>>> <https:

[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I know it, Jason. I should just ask a woman in my bike group but it feels 
like wearing someone else’s underwear. And actually, it’s not that far off. 
(Side story: Last year I picked up a woman whose flat we could not fix. I 
hoisted her bike onto my rack and immediately wanted to vomit. I had 
grabbed her saddle, some kind of foam thing, and it was SOAKED THROUGH, 
like a sponge.) Also, I don’t have clipless shoes, and every woman on my 
rides has those pedals.

But ok, I thought about what you said and I REMEMBERED something. There’s a 
place in town I may be able to rent a drop bar bike in my size. I’ll report 
back tomorrow!

I hadn’t thought about it being an Oct Roadini vs Nov Gallop. Are you 
surmising that if I go with drops I should go Roadini and Gallop for 
swept-back bars?
Leah

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:41:29 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I totally get not wanting to purchase a non-Rivendell, but it might be 
> well worthwhile to borrow or rent a drop bar bike to try out - of course, 
> it'll be disorienting, but should hopefully give you a sense of "I think 
> I'd get used to this" versus "this is definitely not for me". The reason I 
> say this is because it could be all the difference between choosing 
> October's lugged Roadini versus November's Charlie H Gallop. I know that 
> both bikes can run either, in theory, but in practice they are much more 
> suited to one vs the other. 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday 9 May 2024 at 06:15:15 UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just built a lovely Homer that fills that riding gap, but I do plan to 
>> watch other people build theirs LEAH!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 10:20:33 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sarah - thanks! Are you thinking of getting one?
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:30:15 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for this Valerie, your post made my morning!
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 1:30:11 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the kind words! I've been enjoying yours and Bill's and 
>>>>> many others' posts for years but I only rarely chime-in. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I have loved riding bikes since childhood, got my first drop-bars when 
>>>>> I was 8 (the Schwinn Bicentennial 10 speed), and yet my club riding phase 
>>>>> was also late (40-45) and very brief. I had just moved to Boulder, CO and 
>>>>> the club rides were a great way to get to know popular, local routes. But 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> am introverted and group activities just aren't my scene. I have a few 
>>>>> folks with whom I like to ride and, whenever I can, I sign up for a trip 
>>>>> with HeartCycle.org. On the HC rides, everyone goes at their own pace. I 
>>>>> enjoy the random camaraderie that occurs during the ride without any 
>>>>> expectation of continuing to ride together. The club is based in Denver, 
>>>>> started by doctors, has long-standing members from across the US, and 
>>>>> offers trips across the US and Europe. Experienced riders, great routes, 
>>>>> fully supported, non-profit, and not fancy. They welcome new members if 
>>>>> that ever interests you or anyone else reading this. 
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of the Roadini is based on the website: 
>>>>> Roadini -  Functionally like a Roadeo, priced like a Clem.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, the Roadeo feels absolutely plush, smooth, and elegant compared 
>>>>> to the too small, too stiff, carbon-framed, low-barred, skinny-tired road 
>>>>> bike I was persuaded to get when I moved to Boulder to fit in on rides 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> various clubs. That bike is long gone. The shorter wheel-base, stiffer 
>>>>> tubing, and skinner tires of the Roadeo makes it much more taut and spare 
>>>>> feeling than the Gallop. For me, the Roadeo is the ultimate, classic road 
>>>>> bike for challenging myself on paved rides -- whether going fast or 
>>>>> climbing on my own or riding with faster friends.   
>>>>>
>>>>> The long-length, fat-swoop tubing, and fatter-tire capability of the 
>>>>> Gallop seems more like a lightweight, road-oriented Susie, to me. Less 
>>>>> concern about potholes and road texture than on the Roadeo and more 
>>>>> playful, all-day comfort. Since I haven't actually tri

[RBW] Re: For Leah re my Gallop

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Valerie, well you’re an undiscovered treasure. I haven’t had the privilege 
to know you but just reading this reveals that you are a RivSister with a 
wealth of bike information and we NEED you here. Wow! It was oddly like 
reading a Bill Lindsey post with all the talk of incorporating a new bike 
into your collection and using it for certain subsets of rides. If you two 
don’t know each other I think you should get acquainted! 

Thanks for taking the time and offering your opinion about this bike. I 
really think it could be a good first road bike for me, and a good one to 
experiment with drops. I’m so late getting into serious riding (I found Riv 
at 31 and was raising little kids but now am 3 years from empty-nesting) 
and I feel so behind. Everyone else seems like they had their drop bar 
phase and club riding phase in their 20s and maybe 30s. I never rode a 
group ride until I was 41. It’s a lot, so I’m very appreciative when other 
people (especially women) will share what they know. It really, truly helps.

One question: Why do you think the Roadini is more like your Roadeo than 
your Gallop? What makes the Roadini and the Gallop different, do you think?

Thanks again for this thread!
Leah

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Following up on Leah's questions in a new thread (and in a new order).
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> Valerie, I would love to hear every single thing you say about this bike. 
> Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? Have you ridden it on a club ride? Do 
> you find it to be quick and lively? What was the reason you bought your 
> Charlie? 
>
>
> *What was the reason you bought your Charlie?  *
> In general, I like to buy used/demo bikes to try them out and see how they 
> perform in the applicable subset of the variety of rides I like to do - 
> whether paved or dirt/gravel, steep hills or rolling flats, and whether 
> short rides, all day, or multi-day, loaded or supported, alone or with 
> people. Although many have overlapping capabilities, I tend to set them up 
> for specific types of rides, rather than being all-rounders. With a new 
> bike, I like to figure out if it fills an empty niche or if it excels 
> relative to an existing bike in a category, which would then likely be sold 
> or repurposed. It is a fun game. 
>
> When the Gallop demo was for sale, I had just discovered what an 
> unbelievable blast the Gus is on bumpy dirt rides (so fun! so liberating!) 
> and was curious about the effect of the swoopy top tube and longer 
> wheel-base on a road-oriented bike. Also, it is purple. 
>
> *Do you have sweepy bars? Drop bars? *
> The bike came with albastache bars which I always try to like, but I never 
> do. Hard to explain, but the bars felt too skinny to my hands for such a 
> rounded, plush bike. I think drop bars would work well with the right stem 
> height and reach. I have 4 drop-bar bikes so I didn't want to move it in 
> that direction. I had on-hand a bosco-moose bar so I swapped over to that 
> one. I love it. I have such a great view while riding and supreme comfort 
> climbing and descending.   
>
> *Do you find it to be quick and lively?*
> It is lively! I don't know about quick. I haven't ridden it with 
> garmin/strava going so I can't compare my speeds to other bikes. It is very 
> fun to ride. It is the kind of bike that inspires me to pedal a bit faster 
> because I feel the energy go right into your motion. It puts a big smile on 
> my face. I have it set up with a triple so I have a huge range of gears, 
> which helps in my very hilly neighborhood. It likes to climb. I don't know 
> if I am going fast (likely not) but it is not hard. It is far more 
> responsive and nimble than my Clem H, which I sold. That was a tank. This 
> is like a rowing scull, easy to bring up to speed and to plane in rhythm 
> with the bike. It sails down hills. It feels like it disappears under me. 
> It is weird because it is not the lightest bike I have. 
>
> I think having wide tires helps because they mitigate all the road 
> texture. I switched from the Soma Shikoro tires that came with it to 
> Schwalbe G-One Speed TLE in size 50.  The Soma's were fine but the 
> Schwalbe's feel more plush.  Like I'm riding a Rolls Royce. Well, what I 
> imagine a Rolls would be like. 
>
>
> *Have you ridden it on a club ride? *
> I no longer do club rides. I don't know if this is the bike I would choose 
> for riding with my go-fast friends and family. I am more of an all-day pace 
> rider so when I am riding with faster people and trying not to hold them 
> up, I tend to choose my Roadeo. It fits in better with the roadie riders in 
> my area. The Roadeo is also 

[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
something. Like, during riding season!

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, 
>
> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
> ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
> CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
> than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
> who will be thrilled with this news. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>> *Lugged 
>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>
>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sonoma Wine Country Century tomorrow! Anyone else?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’m so impressed you did this ride. I was talking to Sarah and she was 
telling me how miserable that weather was, so the fact that you muscled 
through is super-impressive. I’m interested in getting a Gallup as a road 
bike when it comes out so it’s really nice to hear that it performed well 
for you!
Leah

On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 9:41:52 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

> The hot chocolate was awesome! Swiss Miss never tasted so good!
>
> It was great because it was SO COLD. SO SO COLD AND RAINY SO RAINY AND 
> COLD THE FIRST 60 MILES WERE ALL RAIN ALL THE TIME.
>
> Sara, if you didn’t go because you were worried about the rain and cold, 
> you did the right thing. It was nice all week before the ride. It was it’s 
> gonna be nice all of next week. During six hours of this ride it was 
> pouring and cold. Quite a few people at the first rest stop we just 
> shivering and I can’t imagine how they went on.
>
> At the first rest stop there were also quesadillas with salsa and 
> potatoes, this was one of the food highlights.
>
> To Eddie and all the other volunteers: you’re the best! Everyone was 
> lovely and helpful. Other than the rain, the biggest problem with the right 
> is that it was so cold I couldn’t enjoy an icy Coca-Cola at the final rest 
> stop. Otherwise, my legs are tired, the gallop performed to admirably, and 
> by the end, it was beautiful out, but still cold. 
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg]
>
> On May 4, 2024, at 3:52 PM, eddietheflay  wrote:
>
> I was a rest stop volunteer in Healdsburg. It rained a ton but most 
> seemed to still be having a decently good time. At the last minute SRCC 
> decided we'd serve hot chocolate and tea. Riders were grateful. Was 
> clear-ish at lunch and SRCC know how to put on a food show.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 5:55:03 AM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm signed up but weighing the enjoyment/risk with the wind and rain. I 
>> just stuck my head out the window to get the "weather report" and was met 
>> with a gust of wind to the face and rain. My gut instinct for myself is to 
>> take the rain check, and go ride this route on a clear day. 
>>
>> My yellow Platypus and I will likely ride out this storm in the house. If 
>> you see a flash of yellow out there it means I changed my mind!
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 4:19:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Please post photos, of bike and bikes, route, countryside, and vintages, 
>>> and describe all in excessive detail.
>>>
>>> The nearby delightfully libertarian (as to HOA-type building standards*; 
>>> the libertarian social and political philosophy is false) "horsey suburb," 
>>> Corrales, hosts an annual wine tour, tho' only for NM and not for the far 
>>> more numerous and I daresay worthy CA wines. I've been tempted, but the 
>>> thought of riding a fixed gear home south against a strong afternoon 
>>> headwind while pleasantly lethargic under the influence of many, many 
>>> samples has made me hesitate; not to mention the traffic. How does one deal 
>>> with this?
>>>
>>> *$2M "estates" with ancient, crumbling, 600 sq foot adobes and 
>>> singlewides, locally top-rated restaurants and burrito shacks, rich Anglo 
>>> incomers and Hispano farmers resident since the 17th century, ancient 
>>> acequia trails and Loma Largo blvd where one winter circa 2010 I saw a Euro 
>>> pro team training in prep for the Tour at 5K feet in cool, sunny weather.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:11 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>>
 The Charlie H Gallop prototype is heading out for 100 miles tomorrow in 
 Santa Rosa, basket and rain and all. Anyone else going to be on the ride 
 tomorrow? 
 https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29272184
 I’ve done this once before (my only prior Century) and it was wonderful 
 … but it didn’t include tomorrow’s predicted 1” of rain peaking just 
 before 
 the ride begins.

 Related to rain: I have a light rain resistant jacket, partial fenders 
 (MudX in front and Portland folding in back), and wool socks … any other 
 suggestions for how to keep a bit dry and to dry out while riding? There’s 
 a gear drop off point about 1/3rd of the way through which is when the 
 rain 
 should be receding, so I can ditch some gear. I’m just curious how the 
 bits 
 under my shorts will fair, I’m optimistic a bit of wind and time will dry 
 me out when possible. Definitely time to get out the Brooks seat cover too!

 Finally, I’ve never really “carb loaded” beyond having rice or pasta 
 before a ride. But I bonked last weekend on a 50 mile ride (albeit without 
 really eating much of anything before). Anyone have a preferred liquid 
 carb 
 filled drink so I don’t fill my body with just rice and corn flakes?

 Hope everyone gets a great ride in this weekend!
 Abe

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[RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

That Jeff McCathern guy tried to sell me a Roadini. He’s a scammer. I 
wasn’t brave enough to say so publicly, but I will now.

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 6:25:52 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Kim, the link takes us directly to a blue lug page. How did you get 
> scammed?  
>
> BTW, I’ve gotten scammed too — with eBay. I will never not buy directly 
> from the seller. 
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 12:29:57 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Brenton-
>> I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was not 
>> so.
>>
>> The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
>> Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can help 
>> you.
>>
>> My regards,
>> Kim Hetzel.
>> I got scammed too last year over these - 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
>>   
>> last year.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The more I think about this the more fired up I get. I've had so many 
>>> pleasant exchanges here, both transactional and non-transactional, that I 
>>> feel protective of this group. If no scam is happening, no one will be 
>>> bummed on me sharing out a phone number and email. 
>>>
>>> I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via *jeff00m...@gmail.com* 
>>> who said they were friends with a seller named "Leonard" and I gave my 
>>> phone number to that emailer.
>>>
>>> The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
>>> <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they told 
>>> me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have lots of 
>>> friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, they 
>>> accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.
>>>
>>> Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this 
>>> says *scam*. I would love to be wrong.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>>>
 Hi. I've been searching for a blue homer in 54.5 for my wife and in my 
 ISO post I was linked to this facebook listing:

 " @Brenton -
 If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
 Homer under the owner's name of 
 *Payton Beargrr* 
 
  

 Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
 Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. 
 I 
 am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
 -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
 -Brooks saddle
 -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
 -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
 -Riv Silver double crankset
 -IRD front derailleur
 -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
 -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
 -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
 -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
 -Sackville bag
 The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, 
 noted in the pictures. 
 $2500 + shipping. 
 Let me know if you have any questions.

 Kim Hetzel."

 Other people seem to also be looking at this bike. Robert Carlton said 
 owner confirmed it's a 58. The facebook post has some comments and the 
 owner says the bike is in *Fargo ND.*

 I've been texting with someone (who says the bike is in *LA*) and he 
 wants a $400 deposit to sell it to me for $1300 (complete bike, insane 
 price). The whole thing is odd. They can't send me a pic with measure tape 
 to prove a claim of *69cm standover*. It sure doesn't look like a 54.5 
 based on every other Riv stack I've seen and studied. Our messages have 
 been super cryptic. 

 I just *HOPE* anyone else looking for a blue homer in 58 or 54.5 
 doesn't fall for a scam. Posting here amongst people I trust, admire, and 
 have become friends with. My Roadini frame and dozens of parts on both my 
 Rivs have been purchased from this group. I don't want to stir up any 
 drama 
 if this is in fact a legit sale, but the listing is from Jan 2023, 16 
 months old, this bike at any price under $2000 should be long gone on it's 
 way to a new owner. PS. I'm not sending a deposit.




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[RBW] Re: One way to try out a road bike for the Road Curious

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I love this so much. You have the best ideas, Bill. 

I have to ask how it feels to ride a turnkey bike that is not up to your 
normal standards. Does it feel irksome, or do you settle into it nicely?

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I've added more content to the Ding Ding Flickr album.  When Leah 
> expressed interest in trying out a road bike, she got lots of prescriptive 
> advice.  My advice was to acquire a good cheap used road bike and ride it a 
> couple hundred miles.  Then sell it or give it away and do it again, but 
> now 5x smarter.  
>
> I did some shopping on her behalf, and knowing what I know about the 
> history of road bikes and having worked at shops from 1984 - 2001, I had 
> some very strong instincts where some high value opportunities reside.  I 
> was so encouraged by what I was finding that I started a thread on 
> internet-BOB where we're going to make it a game.  You spend under $200 on 
> a used bike (with proof: screenshot of the craigslist ad or equivalent). 
>  You can spend up to $200 to fix it up (mainly honor system) and then ride 
> it 200km.  After the riding part is done, you write up your "entry" and 
> judges will decide who wins.  
>
> Yesterday, I bought my entry bike, which is exactly the kind of thing I 
> was thinking Leah could/should buy.  I paid $195 for this 1991 Trek 1200, 
> 56cm, Day Glow Yellow with black splatter:  
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692100883/in/album-72177720316423417/
>
> I rode it this morning down to Orange Theory and back so I'm 20km to the 
> 200km entry.  I have not put it in the work stand for even a second and I 
> didn't even have to pump the tires.  The term I use for "ready to ride" 
> used bikes is "turnkey".  One I've ridden this bike a couple hundred miles 
> I could donate it, or maybe use it as a platform for something else.  Who 
> knows.  This was the kind of low-commitment activity I was recommending to 
> Leah, and now it's become performance-art.  
>
> I won't blather about what a good value I think early 90s Trek aluminum 
> bikes were.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You want solid colors? Like these, which come in several colorways: 

HTZPLOO Bike Gloves Cycling Gloves Biking Gloves Bicycle Gloves for Men 
Women with Anti-Slip Shock-Absorbing Pad,Light Weight Half Finger Gloves 
for Cycling Workout Training Outdoor https://a.co/d/bwFol5v

Here’s some with patterns:

MOREOK Cycling Gloves Bike Gloves for Men/Women-[5MM Gel Pad] Biking Gloves 
Half Finger Road Bike MTB Bicycle Gloves-for 
Cycling/Workout/Motorcycle/Gym/Training/Outdoor https://a.co/d/eLFd0Yg

Oh, but wait, look at the night glow color: 
BEACE Cycling Gloves Bike Gloves Biking Gloves Half Finger Road Bike 
Bicycle Gloves for Men and Women-5MM Breathable Anti-Slip Shock-Absorbing 
Pad Gym Motorcycle Light Weight Mountain Bike Gloves https://a.co/d/dX6x2wo



On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:02:24 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion.  I 
> find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>
> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My secret 
> weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a ton of 
> cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and durable and 
> fashionable.  
>
> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything is 
> totally boring.  
>
> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in boring 
> all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so I'm in 
> the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of gloves, in 
> two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>
> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
> anything good.  
>
> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
> options?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your own 
rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a floral 
backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
Leah

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on its 
> first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  I was 
> especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet ILE 
> porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result in 
> her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
> dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is my 
> new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  Included 
> is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my Sunday 
> 100k.  
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
know.

I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
nothing! 

Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
so let’s go.

Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
similar questions.

Thanks for taking the time!
Leah

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Leah -
>
> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>
> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I know 
> that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
> where you point it.
>
> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them Rivs) 
> with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low on 
> Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>
> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here 
>> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>
>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>
>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
>> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>> offers? 
>>
>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. 
>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Garth, I have never thought about level or sloping top tubes other than I 
just like the mixte design. I did not know this mattered in road biking, 
huh….

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 4:38:47 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Hooray for you Leah ! :-)
>
> I think a level top tube would suit you better in the long run as given a 
> good fit, you'll be able to have a good starting point for bar height. Not 
> too high, not too low. You're obliviously fit and flexible, so for road 
> riding use that to your advantage, so to speak. Less air resistance, which 
> is what you're running into, literally. From experience,  sloping TT's are 
> fine if you want to the bars quite high, but if you want them at a more 
> saddle level or below you may not be able to go low enough. It depends on 
> the frame of course. 
>
> A Homer before the TT's were sloped would also work as road bike in 
> addition to the Roadeo. They were technically 1.5 degrees, not enough to 
> care about given a proper fit.  Also Ramboullett frames would work. 
>
> You have such a good level of fitness and sensibilities that you'll be 
> fine, it'll work out as it comes. 
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
ideal. 

Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.

Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a 
toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
youngest and probably the most fit. 

Leah

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[RBW] Hard Miles

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

There’s a new movie premiering next week called Hard Miles, and I think it 
will delight us. It’s based on a true story about some youth in the justice 
system riding their bikes from CO to the Grand Canyon, a 750+ mile venture. 
There are some big names in the movie, notably Sean Astin, who played 
Samwise Gamgee in LOTR, AND THERE’S YOUR RIVENDELL CONNECTION YOU’RE 
WELCOME.

I never see movies anymore (I can’t sit still that long) but I plan to see 
this one.
Here’s the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxwcSaXXAZE

Leah

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[RBW] Re: Packing Cubes

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5epqOquzcG/?igsh=aHp6bzhzZThqZng3

And here’s another example of why I needed packing cubes. A spoof of sorts, 
but still! (I made this promo for our bike club last year…)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtFWQnVAyaF/?igsh=Z3Bxdms0MzZ5ejQz

On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 8:14:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> [image: IMG_6058.jpeg]
>
> I likely have to do this in parts because Google Groups has been so 
> temperamental lately. 
>
> Anyway, I’m probably the last to know, but I discovered Something of Great 
> Help and am passing it along. 
>
> It’s 30 Days of Biking and I needed a post for today on my Instagram, so I 
> decided to write about my Cotopaxi packing cubes. When I was at the Philly 
> Bike Expo, Pam and I almost never had time to come back to our room to get 
> things. The weather in March is highly variable in Philedelphia, so we had 
> to pack whatever we’d need for the day and carry it on our bikes. Pam and I 
> started with an early morning (chilly!) group ride to a coffee shop, so we 
> needed warm exercise-friendly clothes there. Then it was straight to the 
> Expo, and I wanted to wear a cute ‘fit and not workout wear - a spring 
> sweater and fuchsia flare pants, so I had to bring them. We needed warm 
> things for the night ride to the after-party. Water. Snacks. We had our 
> Sackville bags, and we just took turns rifling through them, stuff flying 
> out and us carrying on about how we couldn’t find anything. “Where are my 
> arm warmers!” “Did I bring my thermal headband?” And so on. Several times I 
> believed I had left something back at the room, only to find it later in 
> the dark corners of my cavernous bag. I found stray vials of saline, a 
> Siamese cat sticker, smashed oat bars, loose dolla dolla bills yo, a 
> glove…This is ridiculous, I thought. I’m going to go home and find some 
> kind of solution. 
>
> I found Cotopaxi Packing Cubes. You can get them on Amazon or from 
> Cotopaxi and they are so, so reasonable. They come in colors you don’t get 
> to choose but will surely be delighted with, and in several sizes. These 
> are going to be great in my Backabike bags this summer when I do my Chicago 
> to New Buffalo overnight ride. They weigh nothing. They keep everything 
> organized and they are cute. I also ordered a Rivendell Mountain Works 
> pouch from Riv to keep tools in. I decided it would be better for greasy 
> tools than the light-colored, mesh-sided Cotopaxi cubes. I’m still 
> deliberating on what I should actually PUT in the tool pouch. 
>
> Anyway, here’s a pic or two and I’ll send the video, which is much better, 
> in the next post, if the Google Group gods allow it.
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

“I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it was 
never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to make 
all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to actually 
go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile.”

This quote resonates. I hate to see collections of bikes. I love to see 
bikes that are actually RIDDEN. It’s such a pleasure to see the beausage 
and personalization on a well-loved bike (do you know Pam Murray yet?). Get 
what you want, ride off into the sunset and be delighted every darn day 
after.

I know my answer is predictable, but I think you should consider the 
Platypus. I have 2 built and am waiting on super specialty parts for a 3rd. 
I have them all set up differently - they are not a collection; they are 
all used and loved and ridden. Well, not the unbuilt one, but it will be 
soon! They are so easy and so comfortable, and if you’ve never had a mixte 
frame you owe it to yourself to get one. They are so practical that I don’t 
know why everyone doesn’t have one. Want to load up the back rack and not 
kill yourself trying to mount the bike? Get a mixte. Want to be able to 
suddenly stop and jump off the bike, no big deal? Mixte. Want to look 
dapper and whimsical and romantic? Mixte. I’ve ridden mine on gravel rides. 
Paved rides. Club rides. Grocery rides. I run errands and shop and I have 
the best time. There are a million threads about the most famous of the 
mixtes, Pam’s Rivendell Betty Foy, which has 76k miles on it now and she 
has been everywhere with it. Planes, trains, overnights, camping, major US 
cities, middle of nowhere, you name it. I never get tired, it’s a bike I 
can ride forever.

Get the mixte!
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: I have questions

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This is wild. WILD. I really enjoyed reading it, and I was panicking, right 
there with you! You should write them a product review.
L

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 8:41:26 PM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Essentially, this was what Busch & Muller did with the Luxos U, which 
> everyone but me seems to have disliked. It's one of the heaviest LED 
> headlights of the last 15 years, specifically because there's a lithium 
> battery inside the headlight enclosure. The dynamo charges up the battery, 
> and then the battery allows a steady-level filtered power to the USB device 
> and (I believe) both the head and tail lights. The headlight's stand light 
> definitely comes off the internal battery, rather than from a capacitor; 
> when I come into the house with my headlight on and wander away without 
> switching it pff, it will sometimes stay lit for a few hours - which I 
> often only notice when I'm switching off all the ceiling lights as I go to 
> bed.
>
> "Hey! That damn headlight's still on!"
>
> The steady power supply eliminates the risk of damage to USB-chargeable 
> computerish devices, or at least reduces the risk. It's the same as any 
> other USB storage battery, although it's smaller than most external 
> charging bricks.
>
> I got a lot of experience using the charger in February-April 2020, just 
> before and going into the pandemic. The Bay Area had a horrendous windstorm 
> on February 9, with winds approaching 70 MPH near the Bay and 110-120 on 
> the crest of the Berkeley Hills. Among other damage at my house (two large 
> branches torn off a giant incense cedar in my backyard which came crashing 
> down on my neighbor's elaborately maintained garden, just as my neighbor 
> and his wife were looking out the back window to see what the storm was 
> doing - resulting in nearly a year of financial drama), the storm made the 
> city-owned street tree in my parking strip sway wildly, finally ripping the 
> power drop cable from PG&E out of my wall, cutting off all electricity. 
> After PG&E capped the live line and told me that the location of the break 
> meant that it was my financial responsibility to fix, I restored the 
> connection and then got into a two-month pissing match with PG&E (every 
> Northern Californian's most hated utility) before they reconnected it after 
> I pulled strings with then-Berkeley City Councilmember Kate Harrison, who 
> called up a midlevel exec at the utility and did a little yelling. My power 
> was restarted before the end of that day.
>
> In the meantime, my life sort of stopped. I was roaming around the city 
> with power strips, charging bricks, and chargers for a laptop and phone 
> trying to collect enough juice each day from libraries and cafes to limp 
> through the night and do it all again the next day. The generator+USB 
> charger on the Luxos U came into play, both to incrementally recharge my 
> phone and to charge charger bricks, which I could then use to recharge 
> other gadgets. The experience taught me a lot of survivalist skills, and it 
> also taught me where there are uncontrolled publicly accessible wall 
> sockets and WiFi (East Bay tidbit: There are tons of open AC outlets on 
> Lower Sproul Plaza at UC Berkeley, presumably for prospective 
> students/parents on campus tours, and the open WiFi network from the ASUC 
> student union is crazy fast. A lot of the Telegraph Avenue street people 
> take advantage of what's essentially a public resource).
>
> To the best of my knowledge, no current USB-charger headlight includes an 
> internal battery. This makes sense; the extra weight of the Luxos U was a 
> factor in breaking two front mounting bolts for MAFAC centerpulls, as I had 
> mounted the headlight at the end of one of those little TA handlebar bag 
> racks that attach to the mounting bolt and the pivot bolts of MAFAC brakes. 
> I believe the extra weight plus the vibration of the rack while moving 
> stressed weak points in the 50-70 year old brake mounting bolt that opened 
> up micro-cracks that wouldn't have expanded much without the stress.
>
> If you're really nervous about the risk of an irregular power supply to 
> recharge sensitive gadgets, then using the charger to recharge a brick is a 
> natural, especially if you're using a front rack and/or front/handlebar 
> bag: Stick the brick in the bag (or strap it to the rack), run an 
> appropriate cable from the charger to the brick, and ride on. Then you can 
> use the brick to charge whatever USB thing you've got once you're off the 
> bike.
>
> Peter "unwilling survivalist" Adler
> Berkeley, California
>
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:08:

[RBW] Re: Video: Repairing Pam Murray's Silver shifters

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You are so good to your RivSisters, Eric. Thank you for fixing those 
shifters for our Pam and for making a documentary so others can repair 
theirs, too. You may have just outed yourself to some of us 
less-than-mechanical types. If you start receiving packages of broken stuff 
in the mail, well, you’ll know how that happened. 

I hope I get to meet you next weekend!
Leah 

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 2:04:15 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

>
> Thank you Eric for sharing! All good advice. Nothing worse than a small 
> part falling on the shop floor and spending untold time groping around 
> looking for it.
>
> JohnS
>
> PS - Which bike are you bringing to the Expo?
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 11:43:53 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I'm beyond amazed how great this group is to come together to fix my 
>> broken shifters.  Thank you to Eric for taking them apart and to Mike 
>> Godwin for the guts.  I love to repair things and get full utility out of 
>> all components.  What a great video.
>>
>> On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 9:35:26 PM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely video, Eric. Your shop gives me those Van Neistat vibes. Thanks 
>>> for documenting this and sharing your process. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone — Last fall Pam Murray sent me some Silver shifter levers 
 that were in need of repair. They came off her high-mileage Betty Foy 
 after 
 the springs wore out. 

 Thanks to Mike Godwin for sending me a broken pair of the old Suntour 
 Sprint levers, they provided the parts I needed to get Pam's shifters back 
 up and running. 

 I made a video about the process, it's up here: 
 https://youtu.be/0g67pjAPYZk

 I hope this is helpful to anyone looking to get their worn out or 
 broken Silver v1 or v2 shifters back into shape.

 Cheers! 

>>>

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[RBW] Question for Cheviot Owners

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Recently a James on this List wanted a 60 cm Cheviot. Pam (who always wants 
everyone to find their Rivendell and get riding) asked me to help find one. 
I knew it would be difficult, and while I didn’t find him one, Kim found 
him TWO, and in James’ preferred color. Happy ending. 

Anyway, it seems to me (I might be wrong) that Cheviots are rarely for 
sale. I think they were made from 2014-2019, so they did have a good run. 
Is it that their owners keep them? Or are there really just so few? Maybe 
more of them belong to women, and maybe women don’t sell bikes as often as 
men do? 

Why is it so hard to find a Cheviot on the used market? This is what I want 
to know.

Leah

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[RBW] Mesabi Trail - Anyone ridden this?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I stumbled upon this trail online today and am wondering if anyone here has 
done it. It’s northern Minnesota (near and dear to my heart) and is not a 
typical rail trail. There are curves and grades and descents, which is just 
what I like. Wondering if the cute little towns along the way are good 
places to stay and to eat. Might be a fun summer adventure.

https://mesabitrail.com/about/

Leah

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh wow, Kim, great finds! Pam Murray had me on the case (your RivSisters 
got you, my friends!) and I could not find a single Cheviot for James. I 
don’t ever search FB Marketplace - I need to start! James, just hurry and 
snatch one of those; they are so dang rare!

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:24:05 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> In Seattle, Washington -
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/423877213473715/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A4c497921-5d88-4b84-be40-c13146953aa4
>
> Kim Hetzel
> just south of Seattle. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:50:42 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> This may be something to consider. Seems like a nice bike at a good 
>> price. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/381948061057358/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A3c57205e-196a-4825-8a0c-2a78f9e602e0
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 7:36:05 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>
>>> I am going to bump this one time.  I have had some offers but should 
>>> have clarified, really partial to the blue or orange Cheviot color ways.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:53:00 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
 I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and 
 ideally locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If someone 
 is interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
 consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you 
 have 
 this bike and are willing/able to part with it.

 I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Trip Report: Death Valley February 2024

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This was THOROUGHLY enjoyable to read. Wow, Diana, so impressive. And the 
best writing - I could actually picture what you were experiencing. And 
then I looked at your photos and I giggled seeing what you rode that 
Platypus through. Good for you! And I’m envious of your cool college 
friends that you go adventuring with. Thank you for taking the time to 
write this and delight us all.
Leah

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:19:20 PM UTC-5 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Map: 
> https://www.gaiagps.com/map/?loc=9.6/-116.8781/36.7032&pubLink=GJ70zopvv3HDAIv6yQW94aTs&trackId=09fa1491-18a7-4735-83a2-eb164d4ba0ba
>
> Total miles: ~165 miles 
> Total Elevation Gain: ~14,400 ft 
>
> *Intro: *
>
> The inspiration for this route came from the Bikepacking.com- Echo-Titus 
> Canyon , but Titus 
> Canyon is currently closed to all traffic (including bicycles), so we were 
> looking for a way to extend our tip another day. We added Rhyolite Canyon 
>  from the Dirty 
> Freehub.
>
>  
>
> *Bicycles*
>
> Diana’s Bike - 2022 Platypus (50 cm, 38x24 crank, 650Bx43mm GravelKing SK 
> Knobby tires, Nitto Choco handlebar, and a 9-speed cassette)
>
> Ran’s Bike – 2023 Kona Sutra (stock parts except the tubeless 2.1 inch 
> tires)
>
> Mikes Bike – 2022 Salsa Cutthroat (stock parts, 2.2 inch tubeless tires)
>
>  
>
> *Day 1. Rhyolite Rumble*
> Total Miles: 46
> Average Speed 8.6mph
>
> We drove from Reno to Spicer Ranch. Spicer Ranch is an amazing campground 
> and the owner runs it entirely on donations. Clean bathrooms, hot showers, 
> picnic tables, what else could you ask for? Please donate if you stay here. 
>
> Our plan today was to ride load-less and ease our way into the trip. We 
> arrived at Spicer Ranch a little after 10am and were biking by 10:45am. The 
> first few miles went by quickly and we passed by several old mines. There 
> is endless gravel to ride out here and you could easily spend the day 
> exploring mine to mine. The road is pretty tough in places, but this is how 
> it will be the entire trip.
>
> The excitement of beginning our adventure (and being unloaded) had us 
> riding fast. We had great views riding toward Grapevine Mountains on 
> amazingly packed gravel. I would get a flat somewhere along here but 
> patched it up and moved on. 
>
> The views would continue but the road would deteriorate into more sand 
> than gravel and had us pushing on a few occasions. Ran took a spill during 
> a moment of lapsed attention when his tire hit the side of a wash. Luckily 
> it was a slow fall and Ran would ride away with minor scratches. Later on 
> in the day we hit some washboards and I was going too fast and I got a 
> pinch flat. Patched that too, but the pinch flat happened right next to the 
> valve and the patch didn’t hold. Replaced the whole tube just before 
> Rhyolite. This whole time we saw nobody else on the trails.
>
> Rhyolite Ghost town is very interesting and they have a lot of eccentric 
> statues/sculptures. Worth a visit here if you find yourself in the area. 
> There were a lot of tourists here and it was little jarring after spending 
> the whole day by ourselves. 
>
> The night caught us and to try to get back to camp quicker, we abstained 
> from the gravel and rode back on highway 95. This was very unpleasant as 
> it’s a 2-lane highway with 70 mph speed limits. Most everybody passed us 
> with as much room as they could spare, and we could always hop onto the 
> gravel sides if we needed. Once back at Spicer Ranch, we set up camp, ate 
> our dinners, and all fell into peaceful sleep.
>
>
> *Day 2: Spicer Ranch à Chloride City à Furnace Creek à Echo Canyon*
>
> Total Mileage: 66 Miles
> Max Speed: 34.5mph
> Average: 8.7mph
>
> This was a physically hard day!  We wanted more gravel riding today, so we 
> decided to take Chloride City Road to meet up with Death Valley Road. The 
> road to Chloride City is all uphill, riding on somewhat loose gravel, and 
> many parts so sandy some pushing was needed again. The scenery did not 
> disappoint though! Mike found a license plate from 1932! We harbored 
> thoughts of going to see Chloride City Ghost Town, but upon seeing that 
> Chloride City was another 2000 feet of elevation gain and having just 
> climbed a very difficult 1500 feet, we opted to skip it.
>
> We thought we were going to be golden once we got to the turnoff to go 
> down, but the decent from Chloride City road is difficult. Thank goodness 
> it was downhill because otherwise we would have had to push our bicycles 
> 50% more. It was extremely sandy and only the cars with the fattest of 
> tires would be safe driving this path.
>
> Once we hit Daylight Pass Road it was jarring to *fly* down pavement to 
> Hells Gate Viewpoint (my max speed was almost 35 mph and I’m sure I pumped 
> the breaks). We snapped a few photos then turned left and went down Beatty 
> Cutoff Road. 

[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’ll be there! I will be staying with a RivSister in a hotel close to the 
Convention Center. Not sure which Platypus I’m bringing, but I’ll 
definitely have one because I plan to do some of the featured rides during 
the weekend. Let’s all connect!
L

On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>
> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>
> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>
> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and donations 
> accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>
> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh, what a fun thread! I’m glad you asked. Everyone knows what I’m going to 
say, but when has that ever stopped me? Everyone loves a Platypus. Will 
from Rivendell has said it’s his favorite, and he has all the Rivs, so 
there you go. I love mine so much I have 3. All for different purposes. And 
that step-through feature is unbeatable, especially when you load up your 
bike. But whatever you decide, do let us know!

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:46:51 AM UTC-5 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a 
jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little 
details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural 
ride take you?

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait until 
next week to see it!

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rick at D&D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to Rivendell 
> HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my color-matched Rene 
> Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>
> It's getting real
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Leah’s Stuff

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Brooks saddle, now only $120, plus shipping! 

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 9:38:39 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Pending payment on a couple of items, everything is sold except the Brooks 
> saddle.
>
> Anyone want a honey Brooks?
>
> Leah
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 2:14:31 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I have my Purple Pocket Platy frame here, waiting for its very unique 
>> parts to arrive. This bike was supposed to get parts I already own, but the 
>> vision has evolved. It went from a fun bike with some pops of color 
>> to….well, full 1980s My Little Pony. Remember when you were a little girl 
>> (ok, mostly the RivSisters will feel me here), and you played dress up, and 
>> there was a stash of princess dresses AND jewelry AND shoes AND tiaras AND 
>> wands? All for the taking? And there was no wrong answer so you WORE IT 
>> ALL? This bike is a version of that. So, what was a simple idea has become 
>> a complex idea, and it bore out in the purchasing of custom parts with lots 
>> of wild anodizing. You’ll have to see it to believe it. But you’ll wait 
>> another 6 weeks, because I’m pretty sure that’s how long it will take for 
>> them to arrive. 
>>
>> Never one to have things in a “parts bin” I want to move along these 
>> treasures. Photos and descriptions coming in second post.
>>
>> Thanks for looking,
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Leah’s Stuff

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Pending payment on a couple of items, everything is sold except the Brooks 
saddle.

Anyone want a honey Brooks?

Leah

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 2:14:31 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have my Purple Pocket Platy frame here, waiting for its very unique 
> parts to arrive. This bike was supposed to get parts I already own, but the 
> vision has evolved. It went from a fun bike with some pops of color 
> to….well, full 1980s My Little Pony. Remember when you were a little girl 
> (ok, mostly the RivSisters will feel me here), and you played dress up, and 
> there was a stash of princess dresses AND jewelry AND shoes AND tiaras AND 
> wands? All for the taking? And there was no wrong answer so you WORE IT 
> ALL? This bike is a version of that. So, what was a simple idea has become 
> a complex idea, and it bore out in the purchasing of custom parts with lots 
> of wild anodizing. You’ll have to see it to believe it. But you’ll wait 
> another 6 weeks, because I’m pretty sure that’s how long it will take for 
> them to arrive. 
>
> Never one to have things in a “parts bin” I want to move along these 
> treasures. Photos and descriptions coming in second post.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Leah
>

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[RBW] For Sale: Leah’s Stuff

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have my Purple Pocket Platy frame here, waiting for its very unique parts 
to arrive. This bike was supposed to get parts I already own, but the 
vision has evolved. It went from a fun bike with some pops of color 
to….well, full 1980s My Little Pony. Remember when you were a little girl 
(ok, mostly the RivSisters will feel me here), and you played dress up, and 
there was a stash of princess dresses AND jewelry AND shoes AND tiaras AND 
wands? All for the taking? And there was no wrong answer so you WORE IT 
ALL? This bike is a version of that. So, what was a simple idea has become 
a complex idea, and it bore out in the purchasing of custom parts with lots 
of wild anodizing. You’ll have to see it to believe it. But you’ll wait 
another 6 weeks, because I’m pretty sure that’s how long it will take for 
them to arrive. 

Never one to have things in a “parts bin” I want to move along these 
treasures. Photos and descriptions coming in second post.

Thanks for looking,
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Died. I have died over here. Am dead, currently. 

PINK? Pink and CREAM?! I love pink - all shades of it. I just *yield* to 
it. And nothing goes better with pink than cream!!! Oh, I cannot wait to 
see your new bike!!! SUPER APPROVE

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Only the RivSisters are allowed to read this update:
>
> Today, Rick emailed me about the cream accents he is painting on my 
> color-matched aluminum fenders.  As far as I can tell, that is the last of 
> the last details, which means New Frame Day may arrive before my 55th 
> birthday on Thursday the 8th.  
>
> I'll repeat, this info is only for the RivSisters.  Everyone else will get 
> this information after I've seen the finished product and can share photos. 
>  Only the RivSisters get this early preview spoiler: My new Nobilette built 
> Canti-Roadeo is Pink.  The frame and fork are Pink with Cream headtube and 
> accents.  The Nobilette stem is Pink.  The Honjo fenders are pink with 
> cream "French tips". 
>
> Don't tell anybody else.  They'll find out soon enough...  
>
> :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Small update for the Sisters: Rick picked up my frame from Riv this week 
>> for paint
>> Big update for the Sisters: I emailed Rick separately and he agreed to 
>> let me drop off my Rene Herse (Honjo) fenders to paint as well.  I'm beyond 
>> excited about that.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:03:36 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have already let Leah know, and we will be holding our breath for the 
>>> big reveal wherever it shows up first. This is not even our first 
>>> conversation about bike colors today, and won't be the last... because 
>>> that's how we are. Your RivSisters are waiting!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
 my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
 been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
 since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give 
 them 
 first shot at the actual reveal.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, Ca

 On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set 
>> that I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, 
>> and 
>> I appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a 
>> premier rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and 
>> then 
>> hard anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's 
>> supposed 
>> to be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  
>>
>> Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full 
>> build at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
>> 19.99lbs with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will 
>> not 
>> be red. 
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
 choose something else?


 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
> paid 
> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm 
> eager to 
> see it painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various 
> things, and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a 
> pleasant visit all around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm 
>> tubulars.  Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass 
>> (622-35).  
>> For kicks I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike 

[RBW] RAGBRAI?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 

I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!

There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
“charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
others?

Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
riders moving through tiny host towns.

I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really is 
so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s Real 
Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.

Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You guys are going to make me want to fall down the rabbit hole again and 
find little ways to lighten up my raspberry Platypus. And I have now just 
practically sent an invitation for people to tell me that weight doesn’t 
matter and I should think about the engine (me) and so on  but not even 
they can discourage me! I can have one bike to be irrational about.

I did do a version of this of the Formerly Mine Clem. I got aluminum bars 
and new wheels and tires, got rid of the basket rack and it did make a 
difference. I was riding that thing for all purposes, including for fast 
exercise kind of rides. Dumb, but whatever. 

I don’t know about this White Industries stuff but I suppose I’ll go read 
about them now.
Thanks a lot you guys. Yikes.
Leah

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:13:09 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> This thread made me finally weigh my 59cm Susie and it came in 15.9kg. 
> which is more than I thought tbh. It would be 17kg normally I guess but 
> currently doesn't have front rack and basket.
> There are a lot of places I could save weight I suppose. I have straight 
> guage spokes, and b17 flyer, dyno with rear light. The R14 weighs over 
> 800grams, the old M565 LX hub is hefty...
> Oh dear...
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Gosh, a bike name…I have just been calling it The Racing Platypus, which is 
just funny. But it is my club ride bike, so…

Keith, good points. I know this is going to fade, I’m just hoping not as 
quickly as the first time around with the previous stuff. It only took 4 
months to bleach it to silver. If it fades a bit over time, fine. If it’s 
drastic, I’ll never try for rose ano again. Maybe I’d re-do it in a teal to 
match the pedals. My teal pedals are as bright as the day I got them in 
2021. I will keep it out of the sun mostly. It lives in the garage and not 
outside, except when I’m riding it.

It’s so good to hear everyone’s positive Paul reviews! Thanks for joining 
me in the excitement. I do appreciate it. So much.
Leah

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:10:28 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

>
> What a great story!  
>
> In case it didn't come up, you should still try to keep your bike out of 
> direct sunlight when you're not riding it.  I've have a fair number of Paul 
> components at this point (first ones were those same moto-lite V brakes 
> from 1995 or thereabouts), and most of them HAVE faded.  Black is kind of 
> brown now.  I doubt it will be like your others, but you might as well 
> preserve them the best you can.  Also, if anodizing is anything like paint, 
> red tones will naturally oxidize quicker than other colors.
>
> If I remember correctly, there are at least two methods of anodizing.  The 
> one Paul uses is much less toxic and more environmentally sound, but 
> doesn't impart as hard or glossy or deep of a change to the aluminum.  I'm 
> sure I over-simplified that though.
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> George, never.
>>
>> The photo I showed was from Paul. It was just to show me the color before 
>> they shipped my order to me. Paul  had to break everything into tiny pieces 
>> for anodizing and then they put it back together in gorgeous packaging and 
>> shipped it to me.
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 12:30 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully you took the bike and the brake parts to that good bike shop 
>> over there this time where they know what they're doing, not the one that 
>> you tried once and they lost some of your parts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marc - my thoughts, too! I know if will fade a little bit over time, but 
>>> should not be so severe.
>>>
>>> Minh, no, these are a new and full set that Paul sent to the anodizer 
>>> for me! I did pay extra for that, but it was a nominal fee, I thought. They 
>>> don’t usually do the entire brake, usually levers and barrel adjustors, I 
>>> think, but we got wild and decided to do the whole kit. We just have to be 
>>> careful setting them up, but then it should be fine and shouldn’t mark up 
>>> the posts.
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>>
>>> pretty cool, so they did not have fully made parts but were able to 
>>> sell you a box of partial parts to mix and match your own?  i"m guessing 
>>> this is a little too labor intensive to make a regular thing but very nice 
>>> of them to still be able to do this. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Paul did the anodizing, this time it will be right!
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers 
>>>>> came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO 
>>>>> brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly 
>>>>> fast and everything was silver 4 months later. 
>>>>>
>>>>> But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul 
>>>>> sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, 
>>>>> they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I 
>>>>> got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an 
>>>>> employee 
>>>>> I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from 
>>>>> 

[RBW] Re: First turns of the pedals on my new Platypus

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Another happy Platypus owner. I’m so happy you’re enjoying it; it will be 
fun to see what customizations you arrive at as you discover how you’d like 
the setup to be. Starting with new Paul brakes, so I hear!

On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:28:40 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> We had a rare 41 and sunny day here in upstate NY so I decided to take my 
> new Platypus for a quick spin. Here are my observations on the complete in 
> Sergio Green.
>
> *Color *- The color looks amazing in the sunlight. Nice little gold hue 
> to the green. 
> *Shifters* - I thought I would want to swap the trigger shifter out right 
> away. On the contrary. The shifting is nice and crisp on the rear SunRace 
> derailleur. Aesthetically I don't love the way the derailleurs look 
> (especially the front) but it just shifts so well! I might just leave it 
> alone. 
> *Drive train* - The 42/30 Silver crankset is perfect. I usually ride a 
> 175 crankarms on all my bikes. I don't even notice that this one is a 173. 
> *Geometry *- My first experience riding a mixte. I got to say my initial 
> impression is two thumbs up. Rides great and feels surprisingly zippy. The 
> slack head tube make for a great handling mellow ride. 
> *Wheels* - The stock wheelset is pretty darn nice! Alex 21's laced to 
> Novatec hubs. The rear Novetec is dead silent. Folks pay $450 for a Onyx to 
> get that silent drive. These are pretty nice wheels although I'll probably 
> build up some Velocity Quills so I can have a dyno hub. 
> *Bars *- Swapping out the Tosco bars for the Billies was the right choice 
> for me. I've had good experience with these bars and they will be great! 
> *Stem* - I thought I wanted a 13cm stem to accommodate my long arms. 
> Honestly I don't think I would notice much of a difference going from the 
> 11cm stem that came with it. 
>
> I still need to add grips and install my front rack. This bike is pure joy 
> so far! 
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Josh, how wonderful! I’m so happy for her. What did she think when she saw? 
Has she been out riding?

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for 
> Christmas. 
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe! Don't get shiny ball syndrome! You have a most excellent frame on 
>> its way to you!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:50:23 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It's so exciting! I can't wait to see your new Purple Platy and all the 
>>> other new bikes out there. Gosh, now I kinda wish *I* was getting a new 
>>> frame... 🤔
>>>
>>> Joe " wishin' and hopin' " Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:47:48 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> They are trickling in. Mine arrives Wednesday. I hope you get your 
>>>> wife’s in time! 
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 8:44 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was just going to ask if anyone had received theirs yet. Hoping to 
>>>> put my wife's under the tree...or near it I guess. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:52:52 PM UTC-4 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My Mermaid Platypus 55 frame arrived today (apparently found in their 
>>>>> stock from last year). This is an *elegant* bike-to-be! All you who 
>>>>> ordered frames or bikes have a real treat coming! I’m waiting for wheels 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> be built, so plenty of time for frame-saving the tubes and ceramic 
>>>>> coating 
>>>>> the paint before building it up. I already had a B-68 and crankset, 
>>>>> derailleurs, cassettes, brakes, stem, bars, racks, fenders, etc, so it 
>>>>> will 
>>>>> go together quickly when the wheels get here. I have a blue Sam 52 
>>>>> (caliper 
>>>>> brakes, 650B) in *really* nice condition that will likely go on the 
>>>>> market when I get the Platypus put together, btw. I’m in NC.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 7:51:25 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter, great info re: the Mardi Gras colors! I'm thinking of gold + 
>>>>>> green, harlequin-style, for the purple bike. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I'm also remembering the smell of sweet olive blossoms and the taste 
>>>>>> of a real beignet and the sound of Preservation Hall...my mom was born 
>>>>>> there and I love to visit!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 12:00 PM Peter Adler  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Green + purple + yellow = Mardi Gras bike. Go to New Orleans during 
>>>>>>> the season, and all the plastic beads thrown from the parade floats are 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> those three colors. Maybe yellow bar tape or water bottles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter "laisse les bons temps rouler sur vélo" Adler
>>>>>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had 
>>>>>>> several Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned 
>>>>>>> several 
>>>>>>> times that a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple 
>>>>>>> Paul bits on her current bike that I think will look nice with the 
>>>>>>> green 
>>>>>>> instead of two different purples. 
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[RBW] Re: 10k km's on the Hillborne

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These are my favorite threads: history with a beloved bike. Best thing to 
read. I have so enjoyed all your ride pics on IG over the years, and I can 
never see an orange Hillborne without thinking JASON.
Leah 

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:03:27 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Just an appreciation post for my Sam Hillborne, which I've owned for a 
> little over four years now, and today's ride put me over 10,000 km on its 
> odometer.  Since I've owned it I've ridden about 25k km's total, but spread 
> across a number of bikes both past and present. My runner-up on mileage 
> right now is the Bombadil, despite not being in active service, at around 
> 6400km. I've had quite a habit of putting around 1200-1500km on bikes then 
> selling them - Clem H, Charlie Gallop, two Bridgestones .. and three of my 
> bikes, the Twenty, Brompton, and Wombat all fall within this range too. 
> This is the first bike I've ever hit the 10k milestone with (at least since 
> I started tracking mileage). 
>
> It's certainly evolved, though it's actually received a lot less ongoing 
> investment than most of my bikes. I went over a year without buying 
> anything for it, in fact!  When I first got the frameset I swapped 
> virtually all the parts from my previous bike, a Soma Grand Randonneur, and 
> I'd say around half the parts still remain. I switched out the Campy Athena 
> group for a mix of mostly older Shimano stuff, went from canti's to V 
> brakes, recently added the pannier rack as I've put it into commuter duty, 
> and perpetually swap between Albatross and the Simworks Noodle. 
>
> I could not be happier with this bike and I truly believe the Sam 
> Hillborne is the perfect evolution of the country bike (non step thru). 
> It's the perfect balance of sporty yet comfortable, capable without being 
> overbuilt, and equally at home with drops or flat bars. Here's to another 
> 10k and beyond!  
>
> [image: PXL_20231229_172405086 (1).jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus or Clem - Please help me choose

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 I have weighed in on that thread that was quoted, but I’ll chime in again 
because my name got mentioned.

 I had both bikes, loved both bikes. But the Platypus is the better fit for 
me. I like to ride pavement and I do like to go fast, and that’s the sweet 
spot for a Platy. And, it fits me like a GLOVE. The wife in question 
doesn’t seem to have a preference, save that she doesn’t want to blow the 
budget. I surmise the OP would like to choose a bike that his wife might 
fall in love with and wish to ride more often. The Platy complete is a 
great deal, and if she’s a 50, they are in stock. And like Pam said, let 
her choose the color. If she falls in love with the bike you can get the 
parts she wants later. 

Oh, and give her a special little ornament of some sort. A charm she can 
hang or an enameled pin to put on her bag. Thoughtful details make us fall 
in love with the gifts our men give us. 

Leah

On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:55:39 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> ...or if you get a Clem, you are welcome to join the Clem Club.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 8:38 AM Ben Compton  wrote:
>
>> also if you get a platypus you get to join the platypals, which is a 
>> thing I just made up
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:51 AM Sarah Carlson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, did you know when you you get your lady a Riv she has an immediate 
>>> community of RivSisters? Pam has brought up the most wonderful point! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leah, aka Bicycle Belle Ding Ding would be a good person to comment 
>>>> since she has both.  I'd go for the Platypus.  I have the precursor which 
>>>> was the Betty Foy and love it.  And it's the follow up to your Cheviot.  
>>>> Please let her pick out the color.  And all the RivSisters will have fun 
>>>> helping her accessorize it.  Please give her my email if she has any 
>>>> questions.  
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 2:25:18 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Tim -
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my 52 blue Clem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 10:34 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha Ha, yeah I never bothered to go find Kim's bike and look at it.  
>>>>>> So yeah they're basically the same.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 10:07:15 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure I would call a Clem with 4 empty bottles/cages, rear 
>>>>>> rack, fenders, and a pump "naked" haha
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[RBW] Re: New Year's Day, NBD!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Surprise! And happy NBD. You really know how to ring in the new year. From 
NYC, to Las Vegas, to Michigan and now to California this bike has lived 
quite a life and doesn’t look any worse for the wear, I’d say.

Enjoy and put some marks on that thing.
Leah

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 11:40:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Remember Leah's lovely shimmery blue Clem L? Now it's MY lovely shimmery 
> blue Clem L! This is pre-racked and bagged and all that (and there's an 
> errant black brake cable cuz I'm waiting for a long gray one) but I wanted 
> to show off my new-to-me bike. It's wonderful, I love it 💙
>
> Joe Bernard
> Lake County CA
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240101_203513.jpg][image: 
> Screenshot_20240101_203538.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day—Retirement Bike

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It just turned out so well! Where will you go? What will you see? Maybe you 
will keep a ride journal with places and miles you go on your Betty in 
retirement. All the happy miles to you, and I hope to look upon this little 
blue-green wonder in March at the Philly Bike Expo!
Leah

On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:

> Excellent, excellent choice.
> When I retired I also bought a Rivendell.  I’ve never regretted it. 
>  Neither will you.
> Love the mud flaps! Great choice! Enjoy! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 90-year-old cyclist: remarkable video

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Well what a treasure that was. I loved the man and his bike and his story 
and his storytelling and his pile of siblings. What a great find, Patrick!
Leah

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 4:03:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> For those of you who don't read BSNYC: https://youtu.be/tgUC0zyu4p0
>
> 90 "at the end of the year" and he still does 400-600 km per month.
>
> Remarkable! Vigorous in mind and soul as well as in body. I suppose that 
> his history counts for a lot in this: born into poverty in 1933, working 
> from age 16 or so, growing up and living his professional life during "les 
> trentes glorieuses" in what seems to be a non-mega-urban setting close to 
> the countryside and with lovely cycling routes, close lifelong family ties.
>
> At about 10:05: "at 75 I could still climb the Tourmalet and the Galabier 
> ..."
>
> *And* he does this without electric assist, *and* gets by with 
> (apparently) Campy single pivots despite thoughts about falling at his 
> advanced age.
>
> Wonderful video. Cross posting because it might well interest those who 
> don't belong to both lists.
>
> "My youth is renewed like the eagle's."
>
> -- 
>
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
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[RBW] Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 

Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time has 
been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and challenging. 
I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.

I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
using in Pilates must never get used in my other workouts. Gluteus medius, 
specifically. I think I have really neglected my hips. I’m also doing some 
physical therapy for my shoulder and knee, and my physical therapist has 
uncovered some of my weaknesses that are, incidentally, being helped with 
Pilates. I think I’m going to keep it in my routine all year. Maybe ditch 
the core workouts, because I think Pilates is more effective.

Also good is HIIT. I find that 20 minutes is plenty challenging. Lots of 
new moves that make you focus on balance, coordination and isolating muscle 
groups. Can be hard on the knees. Grant has talked at length about short 
bursts of intense exercise being the way. This is that.

I do all of this in my basement using Apple Fitness, in case anyone was 
wondering how to start. Dirt cheap, very little equipment needed, and a joy 
to follow the lead of the instructors. I love a group exercise class - just 
tell me what to do to make the most of my time and put on some good music 
for the session. I’ll do whatever you say.

If you park your bike for winter, what do you do to keep up your fitness? 
I’m always looking for new ideas.
Leah

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day

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Happy NBD, RivSister! I really hope you will keep thinking aloud about your 
parts and colors and keep us in hearing of it. I think planning the bike 
build is as fun as actually getting it. And I love a Platypus. So 
beautiful. And you can go any direction with a Platy, I think. I have a 50 
in purple arriving Wednesday and I’m on the other end of your spectrum. If 
yours is classy mine is crazy. I have wild color all over the bike, but I 
think purple can handle it.

What handlebars are you considering? If you got Billies they might come 
back far enough that you don’t need a new stem. I hope Riv restocks the 
olive bag soon so you can complete your look. 
L

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 10:23:37 PM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:

> I just unpacked my 50 cm Sergio green Platypus. Gorgeous frame. I love the 
> color and am already planning my overall color scheme. So far: Honey Brooks 
> B67-S, Velo Orange basket weave grips to match the saddle, cables probably 
> gray, and olive Saddlesack XS whenever they are made again. No racks to 
> start. Not flashy, pretty classic!
>
> Awhile back someone started a thread on here about what model bike we 
> would like Rivendell to make. I said a mixte like the Cheviot though with V 
> brakes in a nice color green. I think someone at Riv must have read my 
> entry.
>
> Next I need to take all the parts off my Soma Grand Randonneur and move 
> them over. I decided I'm just not a low trail person. Luckily it is 650B so 
> the wheels will fit and everything else should too. I will need new 
> handlebars and maybe a shorter stem.
>
> Linda
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[RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma

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I love this advice the best. I bought the same Hexlox products as Armand, 
and though I’m not in a high-risk area, so far, so good. I started a thread 
on this topic months ago after Grant wrote a post saying that it’s such a 
bummer to a maker when he sees his creation relegated to being an ornament. 
(Not that you are doing that, OP, I know you ride your Rivs other ways!) 
All that work Grant poured into making bikes that are comfortable and 
capable of life’s daily demands is wasted if the bike is “too nice” to be 
used. He suggests that you ride the bike you love, since that’s what it’s 
meant for, but if it really grieves you to lock it up, get a 2nd Rivendell 
and be willing. Pam and Ana are some of our best ambassadors for this 
idealogy. Ana rides a *custom* and yet uses it as her daily driver!

I do not have an Air Tag in my bike, however…That is a good idea. Where 
should one hide it?
Leah

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've locked all my very expensive bikes without hesitation on a daily 
> basis throughout different parts of Los Angeles, good and bad, for the last 
> 15 years with zero issues. Let's get a reality check here. 
>
> 1) The odds of a high security rated u-lock being cut are next to nill in 
> a public setting. These often require angle grinders, which are loud as 
> hell and shoot a stream of sparks 6-12ft long. 
>
> 2) If you're concerned about your components, secure them. Considering the 
> exorbitant amount of $ we spend on our bikes, a $60-120 investment is well 
> worth it. I utilize hexlox inserts in seatpost/saddle/axle skewers/stem 
> bolt and can be at complete ease to know essentially superflous items will 
> only be stolen off my bike. 
>
> 3) If you're still the worrying type. Hide an apple airtag or install a 
> Knog Scout. 
>
> Ride your expensive bikes wherever you desire. Stop worrying, or worse, 
> building cheaper bikes to not ride your expensive bikes. 
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3149.jpeg]I have the benefit of gated parking where I work 
>> so I ride any of my Rivs as the fancy takes me. I’m in SoCal so ice is not 
>> an issue. What I have done on my 700c Roadini with Rich built wheels is to 
>> replace the QR skewers with Abus Nutfix locking skewers - there is a cap 
>> that hides 8mm wrench flats, that can’t be pulled out except when the wheel 
>> is exactly horizontal, so U locking the bike with them to the inside of the 
>> bike rack means the wheels can’t be taken off. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 6:49:30 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>>> to use as my commuter. 
>>>
>>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>>
>>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>>> for my daily driver. 
>>>
>>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>>> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
>>> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
>>> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
>>> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
>>> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>>>
>>> I am lucky en

[RBW] Re: Finally…….got a Saluki

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh, wow!!! It’s even red and cream, oh I love it!!! I really hope you’ll 
tell us more and show us the changes when you make them!

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:28:20 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Congrats! Love it. 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:16:41 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Ok. Last year I sold my Bleriot to a friend who really needed a bike and 
>> was grieving so I sold it to her for a good price and took refuge in my 
>> steel rando bike. A red and crème saluki popped up on Facebook in my size 
>> and I grabbed it. I have literally been looking for one for fifteen years 
>> and was never able to find one. I will be making some changes to it so stay 
>> tuned for future build photos.
>>
>> -Robert Blunt 
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade Update: IT GOES TO 11!

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I was so, so happy to read this. That bike is so well-traveled, it would 
have been a shame to have to park it because of the seized stem. I know 
exactly what you mean about taking a bite out of the road. I’m so glad you 
have your bike back and I hope you’ll post here more often so we can follow 
your NYC bike adventures!

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> So for some of you following the convoluted saga of my seized stem, this 
> epic yarn which began in June has at last concluded with
>
> - an un-seized stem, now raised considerably higher
> - an overhaul tune-up, because why not??
> - a derailleur/cassette upgrade from 1x10 with a 105 to a 1x11 with an SLX!
>
> Pics here: https://imgur.com/a/IlwRAeI
>
> And all courtesy of my dude Damon at Nomad Cycle  
> in Queens, NY who I cannot recommend enough. The man even machines his own 
> parts, he's serious!
>
> Had my first few weekends of riding with the new drivetrain/higher stem 
> set-up and I have to say, it really does feel like a whole new bike. The 
> biggest difference I noticed was the *ease* - my new rear cassette 
> is 11-42T, and I really feel like each pedal stroke takes a bigger "bite" 
> out of the road. I did 25mi. yesterday in that lousy rain, from Central BK 
> to Bay Ridge to Wburg, and felt like I barely broke a sweat. 
>
> This is first time in 13 years I've changed to a MTB derailleur, and now 
> I'm just kicking myself thinking about how I should've done it sooner. 
> Ditto for the stem, but chalk it up to my youthful hubris. The modified fit 
> is not only more comfortable, it feels considerably faster too (even though 
> we all know it isn't a bike that's fast, it's the rider!). 
>
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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Ryan, I KNOW. I’m starting to think the same thing. I can sell my Clem, 
which is just not as loved as my Platypuses, and nearly all the parts 
should transfer. And if I did, I would deck it out in hyper color. It’s 
PURPLE. You can have fun with it, right? 

“Which accent colors?”
ALL of them.
Leah

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:42:13 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

>
> I remember that article. Gotta admit the Ana purple
> Is growing on me. Maybe Leah should snatch that 50
> Platypus 
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:21:41 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I'm OK with purple, I had a '93 XO-2 in a dark metallic purple. Grant had 
>> a bit in the '91 catalog about colors (a Note About Color) 
>> 
>>  from 
>> a time when anything NOT a dayglo color was a negative point against a bike 
>> model. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
>>> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
>>> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
>>> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
>>> Thoughts? 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB: Lime Olive 50 cm Platypus frame

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And no, I’m not selling my 55 Platys. I just need more sizes! And colors. 
Whatever. Don’t judge.

Leah

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[RBW] Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
not. I’ve done crazier things. 

Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.

Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
can have.
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Bike Rack

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Rack shopping for Rivendells is my least favorite. There are so many things 
I need a rack to work around for my Rivendells. Long WB, fenders, 
step-thru… I have the 52 Clem (if memory serves, the WB is 52”) and the 55 
Platypus, which is like 47.25in WB. I have the Saris Freedom 4 bike rack, 
but the only way to make it work for my long bikes was to purchase the long 
wheelbase bar, which no longer is made by the company. What does that 
mean?! Is mine still safe?!

I’ve been looking at the Kuat racks but they neglect to show photos of how 
the bikes sit in the NV2 if using the wheel trays - yes, I see the trays 
but what is the mechanism holding the frame? Hollywood makes a simple and 
affordable rack (Trail Rider) that *should* work for you provided that the 
bar can get low enough on the Clem top tube while the wheel trays are wide 
enough apart to accommodate the bike’s length.  The Hollywood rack is 
inexpensive and easy and will work for your WBs but if you plan to just 
leave it on the vehicle, it’s annoying. The Saris Freedom folds up so it’s 
not in my rear window’s line of sight all the time. Which is important, 
since I leave the rack on the van from March-November. 

I think working with a shop that sells these racks is a good idea. Let us 
know what you settle on!
L

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 10:29:05 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Jacob,  Hopefully no harm to bike or others.  
>
> I had a Kuat beta and for a hanging bike rack, I though it was terrific.  
> I now have a Saris Freedom (tray) and like it even better.  The part that 
> touches the frame has flexible channels for the wires to sit in, so very 
> little actually touches the frame. Reasonable price too.
>
> All my bikes have fenders.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:21:14 AM UTC-5 jacobir...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a Kuat and do yourself a favor and stay VERY clear of them. It 
>> fell apart and my bike almost fell off on the freeway. 
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2023, at 06:03, Ron Cramer  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> IMHO the Kuat Sherpa. Had other racks, but this is my favorite. The 
>> Sherpa is light, therefore easy to mount. But I would use an additional 
>> cable lock.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023, 1:35 PM SallyG <3mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 
>>> cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help!
>>> Sally
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[RBW] Re: Platypus for Clem L?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Ok, ok, I see it, I’m here at last. I texted and DMd by two people today 
telling me I need to read this and weigh in. I don’t know that I can give 
you exact numbers and dimensions and weights, but I can tell you I know 
exactly what your wife is saying, Chung. 

Can I be bold here and just make the statement? Buy her the Platypus. Sell 
the Clem.

I know. You would rather make the bike you already have work for her, and I 
understand. But I have done what you are considering and I don’t think it 
will work for your wife. I had only my Clem L while I waited for the 
Platypus to be created. I was using the Clem to ride up the mountain home 
to my house and it was exhausting. I decided if I got lightweight, fancy 
wheels, supple tires, set them up tubeless and then lightened my 
components, that it would solve the problem. It helped, BUT, when that 
Platypus came, anything that Clem was offering me no longer compared. The 
Platy is just a superior bike and I can’t tell you how Rivendell did it. It 
isn’t that much lighter than a Clem, but it feels lighter. And zippy. And 
nimble. I ride my Platypus on club rides and I use my other Platypus for 
shopping. Sometimes I still ride the Clem but I always miss the Platys when 
I do. The Clem is a great riding bike. I’m happy to have one. But I live by 
the Platypus. 

I know. I can’t give you weight charts and all that, but I’m telling you 
the truth as I know it. There might be other people on here who currently 
have both bikes, but the ones I’m aware of prefer their Platypus to their 
Clem. Plus, the Platy is shorter than the Clem. Easier for the train.
Leah

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 6:23:55 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I have a 55 Platy and have ridden a Clem L.  Leah, BicycleBelleDingDing, 
> has both.  Clem L is significantly longer and heavier, but let Leah weigh 
> in.  
>
> Platy is a perfect pavement bike--looks pretty and feels great.  However, 
> it is long (although it is 5 inches shorter than 52 Clem L) and will not 
> fit on my city's bike bus rack.  I've had no issues on the commuter trains.
>
> If you're near Philadelphia and you want to try my "everything but the 
> kitchen sink" Platy, you're welcome to try.  It will be up for sale soon.  
> Why the sale?  The ONLY reason is I cannot fit it on my city's bus rack and 
> I live in the city where bus transportation is a must.  It's a non issue 
> for just about everyone else.  (Replacement bike is also a Riv, but it's 
> not finished yet, so haven't posted.)
>
> Feel free to contact me off list for a lot more details about different 
> Riv mixte's and step thrus--I've tried them all.  BTW, I also have this for 
> sale 
> https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/d/2019-handsome-cycles-55cm-she-devil/7670046879.html
>   
> and LOVED riding it until my new Riv purchase.   Not quite a Riv but a 
> great commuter bike.
>
> Roberta, seems like I've tried all the mixtes I could, from Philadelphia
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:21:50 AM UTC-5 chungeu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I bought a complete Clem L for my wife and she enjoyed riding it so far.
>> However, she felt that it's a bit too much bike for her since she only 
>> rides it on the pavement for the commute. She finds it too heavy when 
>> storing it in a rack and bring it on the the commuting train.
>> Since she still likes the step-through design, I wonder if swapping it 
>> with the complete Platypus would solve her problem. Or, can we solve this 
>> with lighter components (probably the wheelset and tires?) and some cockpit 
>> setup to make it more zippy?
>>
>> Best,
>> Chung
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally nice 
buyer.

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:
>
>
> https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html
>
> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> Rosco Bubbe
>> 58cm
>> eBay auction
>> Lake Linden, MI
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>>
>> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

All is well! It’s still a fun thread. I’ll figure out the seat post 
eventually. It seems to me to be working fine the way I have everything, 
even if it does involve an ugly seat post. I love the grips so far and I 
only wish Deb would make some ivory ones to match my other saddle. 

Anyway, it’s fun to change up the look now and then. And with a growing 
number of RivSisters in the fan base, you can expect more fashion threads 
and bike outfit threads. 😜

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Apologies in advance for indulging in yet another non Riv build show and 
> tell, although this one has essentially served as my 
> Quickbeam/SimpleOne/Roaduno placeholder since I’ve acquired the frame.  
> Having dug up some of my previous build pics and finally documenting its 
> current build this afternoon I’ve just been reminiscing over some of my 
> impulsive makeovers and also laughing at the many parts that have passed 
> between frames (in some cases going full circle on multiple occasions!)
>
> Trekking bar ruffy tuffy roadish build 1.0
> Flipped north road scorcher
> Mustachioed underbike
> Choco low rider 
> Choco basketeer 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of completes 
for sale but only 24 frames.

Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 

Who is getting one?

What color?

What plans for the bike?

I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
comfortable. Plenty fast. 

Leah

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[RBW] Bike Makeover Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

In the same vein as my Bike Style thread, I’m starting a Bike Makeover 
thread.

Every now and then, I get the urge to change up the look of my favorite 
Platypus. I have it perfect mechanically, but bags and grips and 
occasionally, saddles, beg to be changed up. It’s fully autumn here in the 
Great Lakes State, and my ivory Rivet was looking a little out of season. I 
was gifted a chestnut Rivet from a dear RivSister, so I decided to pull it 
out and put it on the bike. I took the brown Ergons from my other Platypus, 
slapped them on and sent her a photo. 

“That bike deserves prettier grips. Those are ugly,” she said, giving me 
the unvarnished truth. 

I looked again. She was right. Back to the drawing board. I finally found 
these grips from Rivet Cycle Works - Deb told me she had these but didn’t 
have them up on the website yet. She had the exact match to my chestnut 
saddle and days later, I had these gorgeous stamped leather grips in hand. 
The bike looks positively *tonal.* The colors of the paint throw out so 
many different shades of pinks and reds, thanks to the abundant glitter in 
the metallic; adding rich leather accessories only elevates the look. The 
stamped designs on the leather give the bike some texture and add visual 
interest at the handlebar area. 

This Platypus is like a little autumn posey. Perfect and pretty, and wholly 
appointed to its duty.

Now if I can just convince Deb to make these in ivory, so I have a pair to 
match my ivory Rivet saddle when spring comes…

Attached in the next post are the before and afters.
Leah

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[RBW] Re: My New Clem L — 2.0

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have been waiting for this! I knew you’d love the blue; it really is 
stunning, and you have to see it in sunlight to get the full effect. What 
color of accessories are you going to choose since you’re selling the blue 
ones? Also, I don’t recall you mentioning paint damage. Where was the paint 
scraped? Hopefully somewhere of minor consequence and only a tiny bit.

I love thumbies and not so much trigger shifters. I have not had the Silver 
2s but people seem to love them. I have Microshift and they do me just 
fine. If they wore out I’d likely get the Silvers, though. But I’m not Pam 
Murray, so I bet my Microshift will be with me for a loooggg time, ha!

I can’t wait to see your photos. And to hear more about your riding 
impressions.
RivSisters,
Leah

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:38:57 PM UTC-4 Kiley Demond wrote:

> So Will (and Riv) did as perfect a job as possible of fixing the 
> issues with my new Clem. I have new slightly upgraded wheels and touch-up 
> paint for the scrape. I'm sure there were a lot of phone calls made when 
> they got the wonky wheels back; the LBS that did the tire/cassette swap 
> said it was like the spokes or spoke holders had never been threaded. The 
> torture of waiting was greatly reduced by living 2-day UPS Ground away from 
> Riv.
>
> I have ridden it several times, making adjustments all the while, but 
> before I launch into that, may I say, it is the most beautiful blue I could 
> imagine for a bike. I wanted an orange Clem, but I am really loving this 
> color. Of course, all the blue accessories I saved from my orange Cheviot 
> will be sold because they clash with this Riv blue. 
>
> Homecoming was interrupted by an end-of-summer, two-day camping dash to 
> Sedona. I thought I would ride for a week before swapping components, but I 
> don't have that kind of resolve. The cockpit is a bit of a cock-up. How the 
> trigger-shifter/brake on the right side is supposed to be usable is beyond 
> me. I was excited by the option of a visual guide for shifting (my 
> processor likes to do things backwards so a visual cue is beneficial), but 
> in concert with the monstrously large brake levers (I used to have Pauls), 
> it is a no-go. The handlebars had to be raised to a near-obscene height. 
> So... before heading out to Sedona, I ordered Bosco bars, which I had on my 
> Cheviot because the Albatrosses it came with were too short/low. They were 
> on the doorstep when I got home.
>
> Boscos arrived in 2 days and now I am messing about with wanting to swap 
> the brake levers. Thoughts on shifters? I had Silver shifters on the 
> Cheviot and I am not a fan of the current set-up. The current shifter 
> situation may work out when I swap the brake levers out for Paul levers. 
>
> Working on a name... My Cheviot was Heidi. My white VWs are Mindy (from 
> Colorado) and Shelby (from South Carolina). I was thinking 'Robin' but I 
> prefer the 'ie' sound at the end. 
>
> I have a set of Tosco bars for sale 😉. And I am seeking cork grips for 
> when I finally have the cockpit dialed in. I'll do separate posts for both 
> of those. 
>
> Photos coming when it is as it will be for more than a couple of days 🤔.
>
> kiley, out.
>

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[RBW] Bike Shop Misadventures

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have a long and storied history of bike shop misadventures. If I heard my 
tales secondhand, I would believe that I, Leah Peterson, am the problem, as 
I am the common denominator. But I make you a solemn promise that I can’t 
see how. And I am gracious, even in the misadventures. But they always 
happen. You can count on it.

There are 2 shops in town. One well-established, the one I always 
patronize. My bikes are oddballs there, but they never point that out. 
Great shop. Best I have had in years. I’ve had some misadventures there, 
but I caught the mistakes and the shop fixed them. Minor stuff. The other 
shop is in a downtrodden part of town, and they work on a lot of beater 
bikes. BUT, they know all about Bridgestone and Mount Tam and a little of 
Rivendell and they revere it all. My son’s Future College Clem was 
assembled by them, and the mechanic greased every bolt. He saw all the fine 
points of that frame and mentioned them. He even met Grant once at a 
conference/bike show. He took his time with the Clem and I really respected 
his work. That shop doesn’t work on a lot of high-end bikes, and they are 
eager to see beautiful steel bikes like Rivendells. 

The Racing Platy has a lot of miles on it by now. It needed: a tune-up, new 
chain, new cassette, possibly new tires, new brake pads, pedals rebuilt, 
and to be inspected for anything else. When you have a Lifetime Bike, you 
must keep it tip-top so it lasts. 

Because I wanted a thorough tune up, and because they had so fussed over 
our Clem, I called the shop and asked if they would service my Rivendell. 
“Don’t tempt ME with a good time!” Rob said.* (Rob is not his real name.) 

I drove there, wheeled the bike to the entrance and Rob and an employee are 
smoking something outside. Red flag number one. I feel an urge to turn on 
my heel. Maybe I’m mistaken; I decide to keep an open mind. We go inside. 
The mechanic who assembled our Clem is not here. The shop is in tatters as 
Rob is moving locations. The other man comes by with a pile of metal rods 
and nearly bashes them into my Platypus. I cringe. Rob says he’ll have the 
bike done in 48 hours. I’ve provided most of the parts, but will need 
cassette and chain. I ask him to keep the gearing I have - it’s my club 
ride bike and the gearing is perfect. No changes, please.

Rob calls me on Wed to tell me he has this cassette laying around that 
isn’t the same but should work. I decline, telling him that the bike is 
DIALED. I agree to wait a couple days while he places an order. 

But I don’t hear from Rob. So, I call him today. Rob is nervous. Rob is 
apologetic. Rob has a sick kid and 400 interruptions. 

Rob has not gotten anything done. 

“I don’t know how to do tubeless,” he admits. “The guy I had coming to 
rebuild your pedals and do your tubeless didn’t show up. I have a buddy 
that I can call to come by and show me.” I panic. “No, no,” I say, “Just 
leave the tubeless and I’ll take care of it.” 

“I pulled the tires off,” he says, “So now we HAVE to do something about 
the tubeless.” 

My heart sinks and my mind spins. I want to race over and collect my 
disassembled bike. I can’t believe this shop owner has no formal training 
on tubeless and was going to invite his friends over to service mine.

“Well,” I say, keeping my tone calm and measured, “How about you put on 
that rear cassette and then I’ll just get the bike the way it is and take 
it with me.” I figure this will let him keep some pride and earn a little 
money. 

I head to the shop wanting to die a thousand deaths because I have 2 
miserable conversations before me: The first will be when I get to Rob’s 
shop. How much will he expect me to pay for his services? Will he have 
damaged my bike? Will he return all the parts I’ve left with him? The 
second will be facing the staff at “my” bike shop, admitting my 
unfaithfulness and asking them to fix what Rob has done. I decide I’m going 
to be gracious for the first conversation and humble for the second. 

Rob has my Platypus wrapped in foam and in the stand. He gets my naked rims 
back on my bike. There’s a new cassette that he assures me is the same 
gearing as my old one. He has put my ebike brake pads on. He charges me $35 
which is fair and he carries my bike to the van. I carry my bag of parts 
and with my heart in my throat, toss them in the passenger seat, and point 
the van towards My Shop. 

I leave the bike in the van. I walk into My Shop and the cowbell on the 
door shatters the silence. I am the only customer in the store. Five 
employees look up. “Why is that bell so loud?!” I ask. “Leah, hey! So you 
can’t sneak in here, of course!” They are happy to see me. This makes 
everything worse.

I stand there with my pathetic bag o’ parts in one hand and my new 
Ultradynamico tires in the other. “Guys,” I say, “We have to have a talk. A 
terrible thing has happened…I let someone else work on my bike… and now I 
need you to fix it.” I am overcome. I burst out laughi

[RBW] Re: New Riv Day!!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This one felt especially good because Marc is my riding partner here in 
Kalamazoo. Which means, I get to see this gorgeous bike in person and ride 
along next to it! I really love that gold bike packing decal Marc added - 
it’s the tattoo he has on his wrist, homage to his decades of bike touring 
and camping. Which I’d describe as setting off into the wild and sleeping 
in ditches and stuff. Nice touch!



On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:46:51 AM UTC-4 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Thanks to Leah Peterson for putting me in touch with Michael Downs, I now 
> have a limited edition Yves Gomez.  I've wanted a Riv mixte since I heard 
> of the Wilbury, but I hadn't happened for a variety of reasons.  I'm really 
> glad to have the Yves because it's a color I like while the new Platypus 
> colors are not, and I don't think I'd care for the longer chainstays 
> either.  Although I could ride a 60 cm mixte,  the 55 Michael had should 
> ride just like the 56 Sam and 54 Hunq that I have now.  Perhaps it's the 
> end of N+1 for 
> me...maybe...for now.
> .[image: Yves 1.jpg][image: Yves 2.jpg][image: Yves 3.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Help me repair Pam's Silver shifters

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Wes, Pam’s bike is a model of beausage. There is no Betty Foy used 
harder…maybe Caroline Gollum can give Pam a run for her money, but that’s 
about it. (Caroline wrote in a recent thread that her well-loved Betty had 
a stem seized and then later they discovered the skewer to the wheel was 
seized, too.) Pam just crossed over 74,000 miles on her Betty. Not bad for 
a bike purchased in 2011!

Here is the 10 year anniversary post Pam did about her Betty. I’m sure that 
little bike is far more marked up now than it was in those photos.

https://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
Leah
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:12:44 AM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I am frankly amazed at the workout Pam is giving her bike, to wear out 
> multiple shifter pawls! I can imagine a few ways to do a repair, none of 
> which are "worth it", in terms of resource and money cost (3D printing, 
> filing down a bit of aluminum bar, CNC milling). The most expedient fix, 
> IMO, would be to epoxy the ratchet gear to the shifter body so that the 
> both directions work in friction mode.
> -Wes
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:02:06 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all — I'm looking for some neglected, cast off or broken Silver 1 
>> shifters to scavenge so that I can repair some broken Silver 1 shifters 
>> sent to me by forum member Pam Murray. If you have some you aren't using or 
>> that you think are broken which you are willing to send me for the cost of 
>> shipping please let me know. I will use them to repair Pam's shifters and 
>> get them back to her! 
>>
>> I recently read enjoyed Pam's thread on broken Silver shifters 
>> . 
>> And right on time one of my Silvers broke. So I took mine apart to have a 
>> look. It turns out the spring was clogged with corrosion and wouldn't 
>> compress, allowing for the pawl to hold the ratchet wheel and hold tension 
>> on the shifter cable. Luckily the spring and pawl only needed to be cleaned 
>> and reassembled. 
>>
>> Pam sent me three broken Silver shifters. As many of us know, Pam has put 
>> tens of thousands of miles on her legendary Betty Foy. She's worn out many 
>> parts and she's interested in getting them back into service when possible. 
>> I took a look and was able to fix one of the shifters. The other two 
>> require new pawls, which I can't locate. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-09-19 at 10.59.05 PM.png]
>>
>> I reached out to Dia Compe in Taiwan about spare parts. They replied 
>> quickly but said they could not send me any bits and pieces and suggested I 
>> contact Rivendell. 
>>
>> So I wrote to Will Keating at Rivendell, who's a wonderfully helpful and 
>> nice guy and a friend and he said he'd send me some parts. Well, they 
>> arrived today and they're *brand new* Silver 2 levers. I really don't 
>> want to destroy brand new shifters to revive old shifters! I'm sure the 
>> pawls I need are inside but I can't bring myself to tear them apart. 
>> They've very definitely never been installed on a bike. 
>>
>> I have found some replacement springs from McMaster-Carr 
>> . They're heavier gauge wire and 
>> slightly longer than the stock springs from Dia Compe. But they fit and 
>> they work. They do result in a lever with heavier action but they do not 
>> make the lever difficult to operate. 
>>
>> My plan, once I locate some pawls, is to make a Silver shifter repair and 
>> maintenance video. I hope that with donated parts from other members I can 
>> fix Pam's shifters, show the process of disassembly, repair and re-assembly 
>> and share it with the group (and the rest of the web). I'll include a 
>> detailed look of the proper order for all the bits and how the get the 
>> shifter closed back up. 
>>
>> Thanks in advance! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

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Well, will today’s threads ever stop delighting me? I am in raptures for 
you, Kiley! I know you wanted orange, but I have that same blue Clem and 
that paint is luscious. And, if you decide you simply must have orange, 
then you can get it painted orange (several of your RivSisters have 
custom-color Rivs) and be besotted with it. 

If you can post photos and more stories about how you like the ride when it 
all comes together, I would love to know. You’ve been waiting so long, and 
it’s so good to see you get your retirement bike. I LOVE the L frame. Just 
the best.
Leah

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:30:31 PM UTC-4 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” 😁. 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 🤭.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 😊
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

And I wanted a raspberry bike! So I also say make it happen for the yellow 
or orange bike!

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread, start to finish. I was as 
delighted as if it had been me who got the experience. How wonderful. But I 
would not have been brave enough to be doing single track out there with 
Riv People. You crashed twice? Nope, nope, nope. Put me back on the bike 
path please and thank you.

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> As a lady who also wanted a yellow bike... and custom painted one Make 
> it happen! Say goodbye to barf green!
>
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.
>>
>> Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and 
>> travel to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride around 
>> Shell Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some odds 
>> and ends, but my wife has never been. 
>>
>> She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that I 
>> sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, but 
>> as she didn't pick it, it's never truly been *hers*. I was excited for 
>> her to try out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.
>>
>> We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find 
>> their PBH size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation 
>> about what type of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, 
>> Homer (the new gold ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, 
>> amongst others. She immediately fell in love with the Homer and was zipping 
>> around the compound with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I 
>> nerded out with James, checking out his Homer and Atlantis.
>>
>> Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the color 
>> of her frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in the 
>> light (all things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For 
>> context, my wife is obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and 
>> nothing else will please her :) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should 
>> have a bike in a color that makes them love it, and so it in was in 
>> friendly jest that for the rest of our time together Grant kept talking up 
>> her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was hilarious.
>>
>> After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer 
>> out the details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride 
>> some trails. I confessed that we'd never been out there before and James 
>> let me take a photo of a map they had on hand to get there. 
>>
>> We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan (on 
>> his army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!
>>
>> They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give us 
>> the option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). 
>> Obviously, we were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our 
>> first ride in Riv's backyard. How cool is that??
>>
>> So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light 
>> trails, and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan gave 
>> each other a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like 
>> you can handle yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"
>>
>> Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we spend 
>> most of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban jungle of 
>> Oakland. So... our experience on singletrack and trails in general isn't 
>> the greatest. But when Grant says ride, you most certainly follow. I also 
>> felt comfortable knowing we had them around. I must also admit that I've 
>> never really taken my Clem L on this kind of terrain, so there was a lot of 
>> learning to do.
>>
>> What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least 
>> twice, but there was no shame to be had. Dan shared that on his first ride 
>> with Grant in Shell Ridge, he fell off his bike and slid 50ft down the side 
>> of a hill which scored some laughs all around.
>>
>> As we went along, both Dan and Grant gave me some tips on how to ride the 
>> terrain and by the second half I was having the time of my life. The 
>> biggest thing I learned was to trust the long-wheel base, and pedal, pedal, 
>> pedal. It took a bit of courage to do, but once I got the hang of it I was 
>> amazed at how, yes, you really can pedal through those moments of doubt and 
>> come away smiling. I'll never forget it. I was also in awe of how 
>> skillfully both Grant and Dan rode the terrain, they're incredibly skillful 
>> but are never in your face about it.
>>
>> Along the way, we had great conversations about not just bikes, but life. 
>> I asked Grant if he was going to celebrate Riv's 30th 

[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Kushan,

Oh, I so know that excitement you feel about introducing your baby to 
biking. It’s wonderful that you want to share it and it will be such a 
bonding experience between the both of you as he grows up.

Is the plan to put him in a bike seat on your bike? Or in a cargo bike? In 
a car seat inside a cargo bike? I think the last option is the only one I 
could safely recommend, and maybe not even that. I am a nurse, and I won’t 
ever forget the part of our pediatrics training that talked about the 
microtears that can be caused even by bouncing a baby too hard. You can 
damage their little eyes, their brains, and their neck muscles, which 
really aren’t meant to support much until after one year of age. Now, if a 
pediatrician happens to be on here and would like to offer advice, I’d love 
to hear it, but from what I can remember in peds training, it wouldn’t be 
safe to take baby on a bike seat until next year. 

I’m sorry!
Leah

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
> babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did 
> you use? Where did you ride? 
>
> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>

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[RBW] Re: First Ride, First Riv

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Sally! It’s a wonderful bike. So glad to see you on the forum, RivSister. 
Keep us updated on your adventures with your new Clem; I love to hear how 
people’s bike lives are changed by their Rivendells. Mine has been 
completely overhauled, reimagined and improved. In every way. I know it 
will be the same for you. Welcome! Leah

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:32:28 AM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hey SallyG
>
> Congrats on the Riv. They are nice riding steeds. And, I recognize that 
> spot!
>
> MikeG SLO CA 
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:36:55 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>>
>> Congratulations. Isn’t the first ride magical?  The good news is that 
>> magic feeling doesn’t go away. Happy riding. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>> Philadelphia 
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>
>>> Hi! Just got my first Rivendell bike (Clem Smith L 45 cm.) and it is SO 
>>> SMOOTH and just gorgeous! I'm enjoying your Owners Bunch and learning lots. 
>>> Here's a photo from my first ride today
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

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We are going to get good weather by the skin of our TEETH. The city hit a 
record high yesterday but a cold front is on the way to save our Riv Ride. 

Hope to see everyone there on Saturday! 
Leah

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 10:08:14 PM UTC-4 R. Alexis wrote:

> Wish it was a different weekend. Would give me an excuse to get back to 
> the Chi and bring the Rivendell Mountain with.  Look forward to seeing pics 
> and posts.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 1:49:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Just a reminder to mark your calendars for the Chicago Riv Ride on Aug 
>> 26th! We’ll start at Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Riv dealer, at 
>> 1030 and hit the Lakefront Trail from there. We’ll get lunch on the trail, 
>> admire each other’s bikes and make new friends. 
>>
>> See you then.
>> Leah and Marc
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:13:34 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m grateful for all the suggestions and may have questions for some of 
>>> you later. Marc is out of town and I’ll chat with him when he gets back and 
>>> we’ll finalize the plan…which may include winging it and deciding on the 
>>> route at the shop!
>>>
>>> At any rate, sounds like we are going to get to meet a lot of new people 
>>> and see their bikes and for that, I’m thrilled.
>>>
>>> Thanks for being so fun!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Jason  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point 
>>> on Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of 
>>> potential destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based 
>>> on a ride I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. 
>>> Connecting to the LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and 
>>> much more residential neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. 
>>> That said, I'm certain there are other ways to improve the connections. 
>>> Whatever direction the Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be 
>>> worth getting advice from the folks at Mack's.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for 
>>>> a minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that 
>>>> ride 
>>>> down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, 
>>>>> Leah and Marc! 
>>>>>
>>>>> If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting 
>>>>> perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front 
>>>>> Trail. 
>>>>> I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue 
>>>>> Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre 
>>>>> Beer Co <https://goo.gl/maps/u5qHDqx1sETeJ6BE7>., which has food, 
>>>>> beer, and an outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to 
>>>>> Mack's via the North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby 
>>>>> Baháʼí 
>>>>> House of Worship 
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD_House_of_Worship_(Wilmette,_Illinois)>.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Here's a map of that concept 
>>>>> <https://www.strava.com/routes/3121841757059610842>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>> Oak Park, IL
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the 
>>>>>> LFT. Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different 
>>>>>> kind 
>>>>>> of ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier 
>>>>>> makes sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, 
>>>>>> so 
>>>>>> from an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat 
>>>>>> lunch. (Since I've had kids

[RBW] Re: What to get, what to get....

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I see Jared’s 60 Platy sold…are you the lucky new owner, Kiley? 
😍Leah

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:53:21 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @ Kiley - a Rivendell Clem 59cm would fit you best only in size, but your 
> all around needs as stated by Johnny.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:37:46 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Rivendell is going to replace the Susie/Gus line with something lugged (I 
>> think) but that is going to be far down the line. You said you lusted after 
>> a Clem L. What about one of those? They are at least related to the 
>> hillybike family (susie/gus) and would meet everything you seem to want.
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 6:25:15 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Piggybacking on what Joe just said, PM sent :)
>>>
>>> jared
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Did you like the Cheviot? The current (slightly longer) version is the 
 Platypus; now with canti/v-brakes I would consider it a low-stepover 
 equivalent to Appaloosa. You would probably ride a 60cm. 

 On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:39:50 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> Hi- Formerly an active participant, I am now merely an inconsistent 
> lurker so I may well be asking questions already addressed. I will 
> gracefully accept links to previous conversations that answer the 
> questions.
>
> Since I am approaching this with a wide range of 'acceptable' answers, 
> no need to limit responses to Rivendell-only possibilities. I know that 
> you 
> know what I mean when asking for certain things, such as a steel 
> step-thru 
> frame with great ride-ability and room for wider tires 😁. I don't have to 
> explain why those things are important. 
>
> My dream is a step-thru frame that is long enough in the chain stay to 
> be stable and handle-well, but not so long as to be cumbersome. With a 
> PBH 
> of 91 on a 5'10" person, I need all the help I can get with a large bike 
> that remains wieldy (I assume that is a word). Ideally, it could be 
> fitted 
> to be a pedal-assist electric bike at some future time.
>
> Riding: 20% pavement, 60% gravel/sand/dirt, 20% trails. Want wide-ish 
> tires but don't want to be a slug on pavement. (Of course, what I want 
> and 
> physics may not agree.)
>
> 1. Is there a new Riv bike on the horizon? I vaguely remember reading 
> about one, but I could be out of step with reality. This Q is the real 
> impetus of this post.
> 2. In the non-Riv world, is there anything along these lines? Perhaps 
> one that may have (the pleasantries of) disc brakes and an internal hub?  
> 3. Step-thru frames for the tall?  Perhaps available in northern 
> Europe where the bike-lovers are frequently tall? I once imported a Dutch 
> bike, so purchasing options don't have to be restricted to the U.S. (It 
> did 
> not handle particularly well and made my Cheviot look positively svelte.)
>
> My actual Riv experience has been a Cheviot I owned for a couple of 
> years and lusting after a Clem L. I used to live in the Bay Area and went 
> to Walnut Creek on a couple of occasions so I rode a few others, but no 
> memory on the specifics. Sometimes, I think a mixte-style Appaloosa would 
> be ideal (want to get a 64cm Appy for my HE (husband-equivalent). The 
> list 
> of bikes I have owned in my life is obscene and not particularly useful 
> for 
> discussion, especially because it only underscores the lack of rideable 
> bikes for people with atypical geometry. I loved riding my Riv and want 
> that joy again. I am not in a (huge) hurry and will wait for the right 
> ride. 
>
> Thank you to all the Riv fans answering Qs on the forum!
>


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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

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Just a reminder to mark your calendars for the Chicago Riv Ride on Aug 
26th! We’ll start at Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Riv dealer, at 
1030 and hit the Lakefront Trail from there. We’ll get lunch on the trail, 
admire each other’s bikes and make new friends. 

See you then.
Leah and Marc

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 6:13:34 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m grateful for all the suggestions and may have questions for some of 
> you later. Marc is out of town and I’ll chat with him when he gets back and 
> we’ll finalize the plan…which may include winging it and deciding on the 
> route at the shop!
>
> At any rate, sounds like we are going to get to meet a lot of new people 
> and see their bikes and for that, I’m thrilled.
>
> Thanks for being so fun!
> Leah
>
> On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Jason  wrote:
>
> Hey Hash, glad you think the route is good -- and that's a solid point on 
> Sheridan. My map was a bit of a quick sketch to show a concept of potential 
> destinations, but I just made a couple updates/improvements based on a ride 
> I took up to Baha'i and down the Lakefront Trail in June. Connecting to the 
> LFT from Evanston now shows much less of Sheridan and much more residential 
> neighborhood before hitting Ardmore and the lake. That said, I'm certain 
> there are other ways to improve the connections. Whatever direction the 
> Chicago Riv Ride takes, I think it would probably be worth getting advice 
> from the folks at Mack's.
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5 Hash wrote:
>
>> Hey Jason, route looks great and I've wanted to see the Bahai house for a 
>> minute. Not sure of any alternatives, but throwing it out there that ride 
>> down Sheridan is pretty brutal with cars and lack of bike lanes.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like great fun. I hope to attend. Thanks for organizing this, Leah 
>>> and Marc! 
>>>
>>> If we are considering other route options, as others are suggesting 
>>> perhaps the North Branch Tail could be combined with the Lake Front Trail. 
>>> I sketched a quick route from Mack's south on the LFT to the North Avenue 
>>> Beach, then back north on the LFT until cutting west to Half Acre Beer 
>>> Co <https://goo.gl/maps/u5qHDqx1sETeJ6BE7>., which has food, beer, and 
>>> an outdoor patio. From there, the ride could connect back to Mack's via the 
>>> North Branch Trail, but before stopping, see the nearby Baháʼí House of 
>>> Worship 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD_House_of_Worship_(Wilmette,_Illinois)>.
>>>  
>>> Here's a map of that concept 
>>> <https://www.strava.com/routes/3121841757059610842>.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason
>>> Oak Park, IL
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:04:52 AM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't disagree with anything anyone has said about Navy Pier or the 
>>>> LFT. Once you hit North Ave it's pretty busy and becomes a different kind 
>>>> of ride, you're either slowing or dodging. But the location of Navy Pier 
>>>> makes sense given the mileage goal. And it's more or less a food court, so 
>>>> from an organizer's perspective it's an easy place for a group to eat 
>>>> lunch. (Since I've had kids my views on Navy Pier have softened.) 
>>>> Depending 
>>>> on start time, pace, and number of riders, it might be worthwhile to 
>>>> consider holding off on lunch until after the midpoint. I don't typically 
>>>> ride  the LFT on weekends, at least not north of the museums, but I'd be 
>>>> happy to do it for a Riv ride. Looping around to the Channel Trail is a 
>>>> good idea, it's far less crowded. Also happy to do Bike the Drive with 
>>>> some 
>>>> fellow Riv riders - it's Sunday, September 3, though my son and I will be 
>>>> riding at a 9 year-old's pace.
>>>>
>>>> Cody
>>>> Chicago   
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:21 AM Marc Irwin  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We don't plan to go as far as McCormick Place.  We're open to 
>>>>> suggestions for lunch, I picked Navy Pier as a convenient turnaround 
>>>>> point 
>>>>> for a 35 mile ride from Mack's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, Augu