Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: The Art of Taking It Slow | The New Yorker On Grant Petersen and Rob

[Joe Bernard]

There's also the small matter of Bridgestone ceasing to exist as a bicycle 
brand in NA 30 years ago. Readers interested in learning why the article 
exists have a bike they can look up and buy from Rivendell, Bridgestone 
makes automobile tires. 

On Wednesday, September 18, 2024 at 1:58:26 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I fully agree Patrick.
>
> But as also stated, they’ve been through tough times before and every 
> dollar now counts.
>
> As to the previous reply from Josh: Yeah, in theory. But have you ever 
> talked to a frame builder about an old bike of theirs? They’re usually 
> happy to help but as has been mentioned to me previously by one notable 
> one: “Giving out information on something that left the old workshop 20 
> years ago, doesn’t keep the lights on at the new one.”
>
> I suppose I’m suggesting the same applies here.
>
> I’m sure part of the consideration for doing this article was not only the 
> excitement in Grant getting some long-owed mainstream dues, but also as a 
> means to aid selling more current model bikes and bike components to people 
> who might need and love them. 
>
> So, to me at least, it makes sense Bridgestone and his history in the bike 
> world would feature minimally. There’s word count restrictions to think 
> about for the writer, too! Plus it a general interest piece. It’s not a 
> bike media piece. There’s plenty on all of that stuff already out there 
> online for anyone who gets a spark of interest from this article who might 
> want to delve a little deeper.
>
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> One big *kudos* to Grant: he has not made Rivendell into a "lifestyle" 
> brand. I certainly don't like all Rivendell products -- tweed mudflaps, 
> anyone? -- but I do believe that he is sincere in his declaration that "we 
> are product driven, not market driven" and that Riv sells things that staff 
> use and believe in, not merely what is marketable in one way or another.
>
> "Thriving:" for such a small and niche company to stay solvent and even 
> make small profits over 30 years *while paying employees and US and 
> foreign suppliers fairly,* not to mention dropping $$ on ultra-niche 
> components, is to thrive hugely, IMO!
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 12:40 PM P W  wrote:
>
>> I would imagine, rightly, because he makes no money from the older bikes 
>> exchanging hands.
>>
>> He operates a niche business in a struggling economy, one that I imagine 
>> needs every dollar it can to remain not only afloat but ideally thriving.
>>
>> One more secondhand Bridgestone purchase does nothing for him or the many 
>> employees that rely on the company for income. I think it’s smart the 
>> article focuses and thus promotes bikes you could go online today, from 
>> anywhere in America, and buy. Hopefully at least a handful of people do 
>> that as a result. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sackville Trunksack Large and Small

[Joe Bernard]

Frost River still makes them. 

https://frostriver.com/products/taconite-trail-bike-trunk?variant=40744304115844¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9Km3BhDjARIsAGUb4nxBcFsMQVfHkzuo3hrpB8bSDt5Da8s76JaNKXLNbFYKUUeQjHpJApkaAusqEALw_wcB

On Sunday, September 15, 2024 at 8:20:08 PM UTC-7 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> I don’t know if the Home Office is ever going to offer these new again, 
> but I can’t find anything else like them.  
>
> Anybody have a Large or a Small that they are looking to sell?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Jim 7-spd 11-36 cassette, Altus rd

[Joe Bernard]

I should add that I'm not a disgruntled 7-speeder, I replaced with another 
Jim S Ride 7-speed in 13-40 and the Acera derailer with capacity to match. 

All adding: I have 8-speed Shimano trigger shifters that will work with 
with a 7 cassette, also $20

 

On Sunday, September 15, 2024 at 3:03:26 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Cassette comes with spacers for a 8/9/10 hubs, you may need the spacer 
> that came on your 11-speed hub, maybe I'll find one around here before I 
> ship. 
>
> Altus derailer is probably rated to 34t but it worked with this cassette 
> with some judicious B-screw fiddling. 
>
> Altus $20
> Cassette $20
> Both in same package $35
> plus shipping 
> PayPal F&F or fees
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>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240915_145309.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] 53cm Bridgestone RB-T $325 plus shipping

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, interesting. Only the shifters are Shimano, I stand corrected. 

On Saturday, September 14, 2024 at 4:25:16 AM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:

> Suntour and Sakai.
> David Hays
>
> [image: RB-T 11.jpg]
>
> [image: RB-T 12.jpg]
>
> On Sep 14, 2024, at 2:05 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Agreed with Nathan that it's a '91 frame but the original Suntour 
> components are missing. It's hard to see the lettering on the derailleurs 
> but looks to be a 7-speed Shimano group of one LX variation or another, 
> maybe a Sakae crank. As much as I cherish Suntour parts this conversion 
> probably works great and will continue to for a couple more decades. Nice 
> bike! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 2:41:56 PM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:
>
>> t's time to thin the herd. I have a Bridgestone RB-T. I'm not sure what 
>> year it is but it has no rack braze-ons. I have fit a Pletscher rear rack- 
>> the deluxe one Rivendell sold with the pannier mounts- and a VO front rack 
>> with the decaleur mount. I have it set up with the original Nitto Mustache 
>> bar, Shimano bar end shifters and a black Brooks B17 in good shape. It has 
>> almost new H Plus Son rims and Jack Brown Green tires. There are some gaps 
>> in the decals and there are plenty of chips in the paint but not dents or 
>> rust. It just spends too much time on the hook. I can send more photos. Let 
>> me know if you think my price is out of line. Thanks.
>> David Hays
>> Buffalo, New York
>>
>> [image: RB-T 1.jpg]
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 53cm Bridgestone RB-T $325 plus shipping

[Joe Bernard]

Agreed with Nathan that it's a '91 frame but the original Suntour 
components are missing. It's hard to see the lettering on the derailleurs 
but looks to be a 7-speed Shimano group of one LX variation or another, 
maybe a Sakae crank. As much as I cherish Suntour parts this conversion 
probably works great and will continue to for a couple more decades. Nice 
bike! 

Joe Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 2:41:56 PM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:

> t's time to thin the herd. I have a Bridgestone RB-T. I'm not sure what 
> year it is but it has no rack braze-ons. I have fit a Pletscher rear rack- 
> the deluxe one Rivendell sold with the pannier mounts- and a VO front rack 
> with the decaleur mount. I have it set up with the original Nitto Mustache 
> bar, Shimano bar end shifters and a black Brooks B17 in good shape. It has 
> almost new H Plus Son rims and Jack Brown Green tires. There are some gaps 
> in the decals and there are plenty of chips in the paint but not dents or 
> rust. It just spends too much time on the hook. I can send more photos. Let 
> me know if you think my price is out of line. Thanks.
> David Hays
> Buffalo, New York
>
> [image: RB-T 1.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Joe Bernard]

To be fair every road bike is a Roaduno. You pedal one gear at a time! 

On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 9:00:02 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'd agree with the above sentiments that the name was settled on before 
> the final iteration of the bike. If the bike was named after the final 
> design was complete, I think  'RoaDuo' would be fitting
>
> Brian
>
> On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 6:52:56 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Yes to the IGH; far more elegant IMO than a FD and a chain tensioner not 
>> to mention the multiple chainrings. But the defect of IGHs is the choice of 
>> ratios, drag -- if you choose a wider-range, more-ratios hub the internal 
>> friction increases, and if you choose the lowest drag options (several 
>> tests have shown that the basic SA 3 speed hubs have no more drag, or even 
>> a wee bit less drag, overall, than derailleur systems), you are limited to 
>> the more basic 2 and 3 speed hubs which have very limited range.
>>
>> But if you can get by with limited ratios, they're worth considering. 
>> I've built very usable all-rounder beaters with the venerable, durable, and 
>> in fact ineradicable AW, and the nice thing is that the these are very 
>> available, very cheap -- old units are about $50 on eBay and older ones, 
>> even the 114 mm OL ones, will work fine with 120 mm frames. I've set mine 
>> up with 3d/high/overdrive for pavement cruising with about a 72" gear, 
>> 2nd/direct at about 54", and 1st/low/underdrive at about 41".
>>
>> Couple the AW with a double ring and you can split the gaps in the AW for 
>> a very usable 6-speed -- my second complete bike build circa 1971 had a 
>> "half stepped" AW, tho' I used 2 cogs instead of 2 rings.
>>
>> But even more exotic SA IGH are available on eBay; the wonderful AM 
>> medium ratio hub comes up from time to time at reasonable prices (I got 
>> mine for well under $200 each -- $150? -- IIRC in runnable condition) and 
>> again the 114 mm OL will fit 120 mm frames with only strategic 
>> anti-rotation washer selection and placement. And, it uses the ubiquitous 
>> AW trigger shifter. Direct, 15.5% overdrive, 0.8654% underdrive; mine are 
>> geared75/65/56". And the AM is reputed to be, like the AW, one of SA's most 
>> durable hubs.
>>
>> And even the pure gold ASC close ratio fixed 3 speed. I got my 2 very 
>> cheaply, $200 NOS and $150 used but VG. But these are much rarer; I was 
>> lucky.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:19 PM Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... I think an internal real hub like a sturmey-archer 3 speed with a 
>>> compact double crank and paul tensioner would be an incredible build 
>>> Price aside the roaduno is the perfect candidate for some fun builds.  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Puzzled by 2 Rivendell recommendations

[Joe Bernard]

I think the tether is a good idea. Sure, if you're super careful and never 
overload the rack and always tighten the bolts you should be fine. But it's 
still a rack falling on a front wheel and over you go. I'll take the extra 
safety precaution. 

Joe Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Tuesday, September 10, 2024 at 3:21:29 PM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:

> I have never, and will never tether my racks with a “safety strap”. 
>
> Maybe I like to live dangerously, but also maybe I understand that 
> tightening bolts and not overloading racks is important too.

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[RBW] Re: Long Chainstays - What Problem/Deficiency Do They Solve?

[Joe Bernard]

I can't say how much is the long stays and how much is the steering 
geometry Grant uses, but those frames are designed via Mt. Diablo and 
riding that mountain yesterday on my longstay Riv Custom was clarifying. 
When you're grinding up that comically steep road at low speed the last 
thing you want is a twitchy front end constantly whipping back and forth as 
you try and fail to hold a line. Coming down is the same thing, that baby 
needs to take a set into high speed turns and NOT wobble. 

Grant doesn't make short-coupled twitchy bikes, he doesn't ride where he 
could tolerate them. 

Joe "I have opinions" Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Enjoyed reading the thread "Anyone else not a fan of long chainstays?", 
> especially Bill L's explanation of the RBW bike design philosophy.   Seems 
> the prevailing thought is long stays are better for
> upright riding
> single track type trails (vs a Rails to Trails type trail)
>
> I'll just note 2 'facts'
> 1  The vast majority of RBW models (except the Roadeo type frame) use 
> slack STA and HTA which may contribute to the ride effect when coupled with 
> long stays.
> 2.  In the beginning RBW addressed getting the bars higher and adopting a 
> non-racer riding style (back at 45° with hands on hoods), which IMHO were 
> solutions to actual problems.
>
> *So What problem or current deficiency in bike design is Grant solving by 
> using long chain stays*
> Just to bring bikes to market that no one else is building??
> Or do they solve a real problem???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> FWIW 2 of 3 of my frames have 44 to 45cm chain stays, and 1 has a 43cm 
> chain stay.It's hard to notice a ride difference.
>

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Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

Now see I like how this is turning into a massive crowd insisting Leah come 
visit us in California. Come ride, Leah! 

On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 5:07:28 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Hold up hold up, message me if this is happening in the Bay Area, my kid 
> and I will attend if possible!
>
> On Sep 4, 2024, at 16:37, Sarah Carlson  wrote:
>
> Ben, I've got a dress I can wear for a Greenway Prom. If Bill gets his 
> blue suit ready maybe that will be the critical mass we need to get Leah 
> back out to CA. But it needs to cool down because right now it is too hot 
> for the amount of sparkles I plan to wear. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 11:15:30 AM UTC-7 ben.r...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill should we grab Patch and make our own prom ride down the greenway?  
>> Maybe that would be enough to convince Leah to come to the Bay.   😂 
>>
>> Ben R
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 11:12 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> If I ever go Wilding with Leah, I would proudly wear a powder blue 
>>> tuxedo and be her prom date.  In my office in Michigan I keep a Crust 
>>> Florida Man fixie as well as my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.  My assumption 
>>> with that demographic is that I'd ride the Florida Man.  That would go 
>>> better with my tux anyway.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 6:52:46 AM UTC-7 
>>> sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I am waiting to hear the write up from a Bill L/Leah anything goes 
 ride! Bill,  just to play devil's advocate... what bike are you going to 
 take?!!!


 On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 6:36:07 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "when are you going to meet me in GR so we can experience this lunacy 
> simultaneously?"
>
> I'll let you know if something materializes in late September.
>
> BL
>
> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 3:13:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Bill, I heartily solicit and accept your approvals! 
>>
>> I think the line of not being precious is also out of MY hands…I seem 
>> to go on these adventures with little control over the details (like, I 
>> have not the foggiest idea of where I am at any given time ever, so 
>> whatever they say I have to do) and then have to face the aftermath. I 
>> spent  on that curated little purple sparkler and I will probably 
>> spend 
>>  fixing it after these GR guys get done with us. 
>>
>> In fact, Bill, when are you going to meet me in GR so we can 
>> experience this lunacy simultaneously? I bet it’s not too far from your 
>> Michigan whereabouts; I promise it will be worth the drive. 
>>
>> Little Brother Ben, I knew you’d love the look of that Atlantis. It 
>> is totally up to your filthy bike standards! I still think J should 
>> clean 
>> it. Also, I know you would love this ride. Take a vacation!
>> L
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 5:06:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> I vigorously approve of your wanton disregard for the stern guidance 
>>> you received from the Jargon Police Department (JPD).  Keep on Wilding! 
>>>  
>>> I disapprove of the thought of an older man falling hard and having 
>>> a hard time getting up the next day.  I don't like that part of the 
>>> story
>>> I conditionally approve of not being precious with your bike.  There 
>>> is a line that you get to draw, and then get to decide if you've 
>>> crossed 
>>> the line you made.  It's out of my hands...
>>> I strenuously withhold comment regarding whether or not you are too 
>>> old for this kind of activity.  That tops the list of "Things that are 
>>> not 
>>> my call"  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 
 I went out wilding again in GR last night. This time I took a young 
 guy I know from a bike committee we served on together. He is almost a 
 kid. 
 Like, mid 20s. I’ll call him Jack. This is his Surly, which he is 
 proud of:
 [image: image0.jpeg]

 The bikes began to roll in and Jack was STOKED about all of them. 
 We live in a roadie city, and rare is it we see anyone on bikes like 
 ours. 
 Jack saw bikes IRL he has only seen online. He was absolutely elated.

 [image: image1.jpeg]

 I mentioned that the most dangerous spots would be the front and 
 the back. Also, we’d be running any and all red lights.

 “I’m down,” he said, coolly. 

 J rolled up on his Atlantis. “All your bikes are in the same state 
 of filth and disrepair, I exclaimed, pulling him into a hug.
 [image: image1.jpeg]

 [image: image2.j

Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

Leah you MUST go to Bicycle Prom. Wearing sparkly things on your Sparkle 
Pony Platy! 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 5:27:23 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> The GR people created an event created on their Facebook group. In 
> addition to the usual wild Wednesday night, there is a Saturday, wait for 
> it…
>
> BICYCLE PROM! 
>
> What don’t these people think of? Put on something sparkly and ride en 
> masse to a brewery? I’m kind of dying to go. I’m NOT going, but I sorta 
> kinda maybe wish I was.
> L 
>
> On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 9:36:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "when are you going to meet me in GR so we can experience this lunacy 
>> simultaneously?"
>>
>> I'll let you know if something materializes in late September.
>>
>> BL
>>
>> On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 3:13:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, I heartily solicit and accept your approvals! 
>>>
>>> I think the line of not being precious is also out of MY hands…I seem to 
>>> go on these adventures with little control over the details (like, I have 
>>> not the foggiest idea of where I am at any given time ever, so whatever 
>>> they say I have to do) and then have to face the aftermath. I spent  on 
>>> that curated little purple sparkler and I will probably spend  fixing 
>>> it after these GR guys get done with us. 
>>>
>>> In fact, Bill, when are you going to meet me in GR so we can experience 
>>> this lunacy simultaneously? I bet it’s not too far from your Michigan 
>>> whereabouts; I promise it will be worth the drive. 
>>>
>>> Little Brother Ben, I knew you’d love the look of that Atlantis. It is 
>>> totally up to your filthy bike standards! I still think J should clean it. 
>>> Also, I know you would love this ride. Take a vacation!
>>> L
>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 5:06:39 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leah
>>>>
>>>> I vigorously approve of your wanton disregard for the stern guidance 
>>>> you received from the Jargon Police Department (JPD).  Keep on Wilding!  
>>>> I disapprove of the thought of an older man falling hard and having a 
>>>> hard time getting up the next day.  I don't like that part of the story
>>>> I conditionally approve of not being precious with your bike.  There is 
>>>> a line that you get to draw, and then get to decide if you've crossed the 
>>>> line you made.  It's out of my hands...
>>>> I strenuously withhold comment regarding whether or not you are too old 
>>>> for this kind of activity.  That tops the list of "Things that are not my 
>>>> call"  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 1:16:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I went out wilding again in GR last night. This time I took a young 
>>>>> guy I know from a bike committee we served on together. He is almost a 
>>>>> kid. 
>>>>> Like, mid 20s. I’ll call him Jack. This is his Surly, which he is proud 
>>>>> of:
>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> The bikes began to roll in and Jack was STOKED about all of them. We 
>>>>> live in a roadie city, and rare is it we see anyone on bikes like ours. 
>>>>> Jack saw bikes IRL he has only seen online. He was absolutely elated.
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> I mentioned that the most dangerous spots would be the front and the 
>>>>> back. Also, we’d be running any and all red lights.
>>>>>
>>>>> “I’m down,” he said, coolly. 
>>>>>
>>>>> J rolled up on his Atlantis. “All your bikes are in the same state of 
>>>>> filth and disrepair, I exclaimed, pulling him into a hug.
>>>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>>>> “It’s C&O dirt”, J said, defensively. 
>>>>> That ride was months ago.
>>>>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Last night was a special event - the bike polo event. J took us on a 
>>>>> winding route through the city and ended at the new bike polo courts, 
>>>>> which 
>>>>> J tells me are the best 

[RBW] Re: Shimano Bar-End Friction Shifter Question

[Joe Bernard]

My thoughts:

1. Installing shifters on Paul mounts can be finicky, remove and start 
over. 

2. You may need fresh inner wires, maybe even housing. 

3. Some newer road Shimano front derailleurs have a new-to-me cable routing 
which may not work well with friction thumbies. 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 2:37:15 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey S wrote:

> I got a set of Shimano bar-end shifters for my wife's bike. They are the 
> set with the black rubber tips, not the grey.
>
> They are not working properly on the bike. I have tried several 
> adjustments, but something is wrong. There isn't a good, continuous 
> friction. They feel loose and don't stay in place. The rear deraileur keeps 
> slipping into higher gears. The front deraileur also requires an excessive 
> amount of force to shift into a higher gear.
>
> I have the grey ones on my bike and they are perfect. I am wondering if 
> the black ones are different.
>
> She has a Shimano Ultegra deraileur on the back and a Shimano Tiagra on 
> the front. Both front and rear are having this issue. The front deraileur 
> also requires a lot of force to shift into a higher gear.
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Drivetrain Questions

[Joe Bernard]

As Bill says it looks fine from here. Possibilities I can come up with off 
the top of my head: 1. It's a mix of new/used parts and the chain is kinda 
grumbly over cogs and chainrings of a different age. 2. Your FD is designed 
for a 39-52 chainring combo, your front shifting may seem slightly 
difficult moving the chain through the 16-tooth gap you're trying to cover. 
3. I've found SRAM chains to be noisier than some other brands. A 
clean-and-lube should quiet it down a bit. 

That's all I got! 🙋‍♂️

Joe Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 8:07:04 AM UTC-7 Jesse Marshburn wrote:

> Hi All, 
>
> There seems to be some knowledgable mechanics in this group, so I wanted 
> to ask about the drivetrain on my 52 Roadini 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/fnqd5j1MLyc4cCmU7>. It works okay, but just 
> doesn't seem very smooth and happy...clunky is the way I'd describe it. I'm 
> wondering if some folks might be able to offer some advice on where I 
> should begin troubleshooting or perhaps what parts I should swap out to 
> make it 'happier.' Also worth noting that I built the bike up myself and 
> I'd consider myself a 'competent at best' - level mechanic. Any advice 
> would be greatly appreciated! Here's what I'm currently running:
>
> -Shimano 105 hub (FH-R7000). I believe this is technically a 10-11 speed 
> hub...I'm running it with the spacer for a 10-speed.
>
> -Shimano Deore rear derailer (RD-M591).
>
> -Sram 11-32 9-speed cassette.
>
> -Sram PC 951 chain.
>
> -Shimano FD-2300 
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/175671466565?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1oUJATdDYTX2dHVVC7l_uLQ24&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=175671466565&targetid=2320093655185&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9010926&poi=&campaignid=2158394&mkgroupid=164713660992&rlsatarget=aud-1242981526930:pla-2320093655185&abcId=9408285&merchantid=5304435804&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrKu2BhDkARIsAD7GBou4eFF2JuL25UlxVziO5xQuNVjXHgdtbKoke6HbFLgE_lGFNlOkNb0aAkeCEALw_wcB>
>  
> front derailer 
>
> -Clipper GS 46x30 crank with a 107mm BB
>
> -Also, I did have the derailer hanger aligned before I started the build.
>
> Just wondering if anything jumps out as being weird or incompatible! Any 
> advice is greatly appreciated! 
>
> -Jesse in Atlanta, GA
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr vs Polyvalent Lowkicker?

[Joe Bernard]

If the step-through feature is important to your partner get the Clem. My 
Riv Custom has a semi-dropped toptube like the V-O and I can't reliably 
step through it without kicking the tube, usually I treat it as a diamond 
frame and swing my leg over the saddle. My Clem L is very easy in this 
regard, I always use the step-through. 

On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 6:25:38 PM UTC-7 paulje...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2024-08-18 at 5.41.07 PM.png]Hello-
>
> I'm considering getting a step-thru bike for my partner. She's pregnant 
> and her normal touring bike is feeling less and less comfortable. We're 
> looking at the size 64 Clem Smith Jr or the XL Velo Orange Polyvalent 
> Lowkicker. She's 6'3 with 97 PBH.
>
> I was wondering if anyone here might be able to say how the ride quality 
> might be different on the two bikes? Or if there are reasons I should 
> consider one over the other?
>
> We mostly ride on pavement on country roads and the occasional dirt/gravel 
> road. The Clem looks longer which I imagine would make it more stable? I 
> imagine this might be nice if we eventually put a baby seat on the back. 
>
> The Polyvalent Lowkicker uses 650b wheels and I'm a little concerned with 
> toe overlap as it looks like a shorter wheelbase. I know the Polyvalent 
> uses more modern standards like thru axles and disc brakes for better or 
> worse. I like that the Polyvalent is a bit more affordable but the 
> Rivendell seems like more of a classic. I'd be grateful for any suggestions.
>
> Thanks!
> Paul
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: accidental new bike day

[Joe Bernard]

That is a fine bicycle, Ben. Yes it does have a higher bottom bracket than 
other Rivs, plus can run bigger tires. It should be awesome in that area 
you ride, enjoy! 

On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-7 Ben R wrote:

> well i bought a suzie 53 with the intention of having my wife ride it. 
>  turns out i like it more and she thinks its too big.
> its a wild ride.  it feels so long and stable but then from saddle to bars 
> it feels comfy and small but spacious.  i feel like you dont sit as inside 
> as a clem but im not as on top as my atlantis.  i also feel like im higher 
> up then on my atlantis (i think its got a high bottom bracket?)
> i took it on my normal wildcat to tilden route and it was an absolute 
> blast.  it climbs hills well and goes down just as easy and absolutely 
> handless the chunder dirt.  im loving this thing
> [image: IMG_7528.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

Yes indeed, been driving for about a year and a half. You can find me on 
Route 1, starts at Walmart on 53, runs up to 20 and around that side of the 
lake to Sutter Hospital in Lakeport and back. I like being a bus driver!

Joe "all aboard!" Bernard 
Lake County CA 



On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 10:35:32 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Joe, you drive a bus? AWESOME.
>
> I missed my pre-Covid bus commute so much I bought a bus of my own… :) Sold 
> now, and I’m back on the GGT several times a week. Next week I’m going to 
> start bringing my Quickbeam and riding partway. 
>
> On Tuesdays I want to get off the bus and join our big Taco Tuesday ride, 
> but I need festive lights. 
>
> I roll through Lake County on Hwy 29/53/20 several times a month - I’ll 
> keep my eyes peeled for your bus! 
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County / Nevada County
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 2:27:56 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> The part about riding in the dark, the pit, the beam, I was reading on 
>> the edge of my seat wondering if it all ended in a bloody mess.  Glad it 
>> didn't ;-)
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 5:21:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I was wilding on my bus today. Sheer mayhem!!! 💥💥💥
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linguistic scholars recognize that the meanings associated with words 
>>>> often evolve over time, with the changes being driven by culture.   Leah, 
>>>> as far as I'm concerned, you have nudged the definition of "wilding" 
>>>> toward 
>>>> a new meaning.  
>>>>
>>>> I say, right on, far out and totally cool, it's time to get down and 
>>>> dirty with some righteous WILDING !!!   
>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 1:51:35 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A year or two ago there was a thread involving the problems associated 
>>>>> with the placement of a long wheel based bikes on the front of urban 
>>>>> buses. 
>>>>> Joe chimed in to offer his expertise on the discussion because he is a 
>>>>> city 
>>>>> bus driver (not sure which city).  So I posted a reply intending to be 
>>>>> humorous, asking him if it would be OK if I referred to him as Ralph 
>>>>> Kramden, a character in an old 1950's comedy series in which Jackie 
>>>>> Gleason 
>>>>> played the part of a NYC bus driver in the sitcom.  He got the spirit of 
>>>>> that label right away and said it would be fine with him.  So I use it 
>>>>> whenever it seems appropriate in a blog thread. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you just call him Ralph Kramden? I had to look that up, but seems 
>>>>>> mean-spirited. Well, you have to look at yourself in the mirror every 
>>>>>> day 
>>>>>> and live with that, George. If I’m misunderstanding , I apologize. 
>>>>>> Leah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not surprised to see an affirmation from Ralph Kramden.  I was 
>>>>>> only trying to advise caution because some people may get the wrong 
>>>>>> impression by the use of that term.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leah if you want to go on a violent rampage I say party on, sister. 
>>>>>>> Who am I to judge??! 🤷
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 9:42:31 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That cut off. It was supposed to say, It’s the only wilding I’ve 
>>>>>>>> ever done in my life, let me have this!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:29 PM, Leah Peterson  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Oh George, you just let me live! It’s all the more 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:15 PM, George Schick  
>&

Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

It sounds completely wonderful. I want to go on one of these rides so 
much. 

On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 5:39:05 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> It's not (just) about the bike. It's about the people you get to know and 
> the places you get to go ... faster than walking, and slower than an 
> automobile. Perfect! 
>
> Great writing piece Leah. All smiles here. 
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2024 at 5:29:48 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Welcome, Menos. Whether you just got a Rivendell or you are interested in 
>> them, you’ll find a lot of helpful, kind people on the List. I look forward 
>> to seeing you around here. Glad you liked this ride story!
>> Leah
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2024, at 7:38 PM, Menos Joven  wrote:
>>
>> Thoroughly enjoyable piece of riding writing. :) Made me feel like I was 
>> on this adventurous romp. I’m new to this group but see there are regular 
>> contributors to help me learn the world of Riv. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 6:56:12 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The sweetest little brother. Ben was an Instagram find, friends! He’s 
>>> still a pup but he is teaching us his ways!
>>>
>>> Let’s keep it fresh!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 9:52 PM, Ben R  wrote:
>>>
>>> oh that means so much to me.
>>>
>>> to be considered along side such an amazing, strong, and ground breaking 
>>> group of women. it means a lot.
>>> i cant wait for the invite to the riv sisters group ride and to get 
>>> dropped by the rainbow platty. 
>>> maybe we can urban dictionary new words on the ride to keep it "fresh".
>>>
>>> Ben "little brother" R
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ben, we RivSisters do love our Little Brother!

 On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 5:57:25 PM UTC-7 ben.r...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> that ride looks absolutely amazing and fun.  so happy to see you 
> taking your self out of the comfort zone and not being afraid to try new 
> things.
> that dirty crust looks rad.  you already know how i feel about it its 
> absolutely *sick.  *you cant trust a clean bike
> but thats the beauty of bikes.  a form of self expression.  much like 
> words, to be used however you want to express whatever you want.
> i guess some people dont see it that way.
>
> leah you're a true inspiration on the bike and a wonder with words. 
>  love reading your ride recap storys.
>
>
> Ben "Wildn" R aka Ben "semi a Riv Sister" R
> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 5:29:03 PM UTC-7 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah George I read it. And Liz kind of nailed how I feel. This is 
>> a woman posting about her joyous riding experience. I think anyone who 
>> has 
>> been engaging on this forum will know that Leah is not out on her 
>> rainbow 
>> Platy, raping people in Central park and bragging about in on the RBW 
>> group. Can we just enjoy the ride report and leave out the mansplaining 
>> and 
>> dictionary definitions?
>>
>> And even if you Joe says he's cool with the Ralph Kramden name, it 
>> comes across as mean spirited. And I'm too fond of my pal Joe to let 
>> that 
>> go unsaid. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 5:18:57 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> National awareness? 
>>> Man I hope the moderator kills this thread soon. It started out as a 
>>> fun joyful ride report and it’s devolved into a bunch of dudes arguing 
>>> about whether or not they would use a word in polite… or maybe less 
>>> than 
>>> polite company, considering. Now I have to go down the whole thread 
>>> just to 
>>> see the fun pictures.
>>>
>>> Go look at the pictures guys, there are Rivendells! There’s 
>>> anodizing! There are joyful people riding bicycles and touching grass.
>>>
>>> Liz
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 16:56, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I have to agree with George, that one might want to be careful when 
>>> using this term. This is how it came to national awareness: 
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case
>>>
>>> Tragic for all. I was very aware of the incident, having left WDC 
>>> just ~4 months earlier.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

I was wilding on my bus today. Sheer mayhem!!! 💥💥💥

On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 12:44:44 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:

> Linguistic scholars recognize that the meanings associated with words 
> often evolve over time, with the changes being driven by culture.   Leah, 
> as far as I'm concerned, you have nudged the definition of "wilding" toward 
> a new meaning.  
>
> I say, right on, far out and totally cool, it's time to get down and dirty 
> with some righteous WILDING !!!   
> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 1:51:35 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> A year or two ago there was a thread involving the problems associated 
>> with the placement of a long wheel based bikes on the front of urban buses. 
>> Joe chimed in to offer his expertise on the discussion because he is a city 
>> bus driver (not sure which city).  So I posted a reply intending to be 
>> humorous, asking him if it would be OK if I referred to him as Ralph 
>> Kramden, a character in an old 1950's comedy series in which Jackie Gleason 
>> played the part of a NYC bus driver in the sitcom.  He got the spirit of 
>> that label right away and said it would be fine with him.  So I use it 
>> whenever it seems appropriate in a blog thread. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you just call him Ralph Kramden? I had to look that up, but seems 
>>> mean-spirited. Well, you have to look at yourself in the mirror every day 
>>> and live with that, George. If I’m misunderstanding , I apologize. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 1:18 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised to see an affirmation from Ralph Kramden.  I was only 
>>> trying to advise caution because some people may get the wrong impression 
>>> by the use of that term.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leah if you want to go on a violent rampage I say party on, sister. Who 
>>>> am I to judge??! 🤷
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 9:42:31 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That cut off. It was supposed to say, It’s the only wilding I’ve ever 
>>>>> done in my life, let me have this!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:29 PM, Leah Peterson  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh George, you just let me live! It’s all the more 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:15 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Umm...I don't think I'd refer to it as a "wilding" if I were you. 
>>>>> Here is the standard definition for that term:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=wilding&oq=wilding&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512j46i10i131i433i512j0i10i131i433i512j46i10i512j0i512l2j46i512l2j0i512.3080j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>>>>> The Urban Dictionary is even more explicit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did it again. I went to that crazy Wed night Grand Rapids ride. 
>>>>>> From now on I’m calling it “wilding.” As in, “I am going wilding! See 
>>>>>> you 
>>>>>> way past bedtime!” I think that’s a real term, I might be 
>>>>>> misappropriating 
>>>>>> it, but it sounds fantastic and suits my purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I arrive at the city park a little early and watch the crowd roll up. 
>>>>>> The wheelie crowd is right on time, careening around on rear wheels and 
>>>>>> making everyone nervous. A wide variety of bikes are in attendance. We 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> a massive turnout, 121 riders, just awesome to behold. J is leading, and 
>>>>>> he 
>>>>>> brings this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>>>>>> You can see here that cleanliness is very important to him, and that 
>>>>>> he does mostly tame rides and so we would have nothing to fear since he 
>>>>>> planned tonight’s route.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is my bike, demure and innocent, having its first adv

Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

Leah if you want to go on a violent rampage I say party on, sister. Who am 
I to judge??! 🤷

On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 9:42:31 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> That cut off. It was supposed to say, It’s the only wilding I’ve ever done 
> in my life, let me have this!
>
> On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:29 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> 
> Oh George, you just let me live! It’s all the more 
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:15 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Umm...I don't think I'd refer to it as a "wilding" if I were you. Here is 
> the standard definition for that term:
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=wilding&oq=wilding&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512j46i10i131i433i512j0i10i131i433i512j46i10i512j0i512l2j46i512l2j0i512.3080j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
> The Urban Dictionary is even more explicit.
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 10:10:59 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I did it again. I went to that crazy Wed night Grand Rapids ride. From 
>> now on I’m calling it “wilding.” As in, “I am going wilding! See you way 
>> past bedtime!” I think that’s a real term, I might be misappropriating it, 
>> but it sounds fantastic and suits my purposes.
>>
>> I arrive at the city park a little early and watch the crowd roll up. The 
>> wheelie crowd is right on time, careening around on rear wheels and making 
>> everyone nervous. A wide variety of bikes are in attendance. We have a 
>> massive turnout, 121 riders, just awesome to behold. J is leading, and he 
>> brings this:
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>> You can see here that cleanliness is very important to him, and that he 
>> does mostly tame rides and so we would have nothing to fear since he 
>> planned tonight’s route.
>>
>> Here is my bike, demure and innocent, having its first adventures amongst 
>> all these GR rabble rousers.
>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> It is 8:30pm. We set off and a new group makes its appearance. I call 
>> them The Jumpers. They have full suspension bikes with names like Salsa on 
>> them and when we go up a ramp, they ride up the stairs. They fly off ledges 
>> and drop back into the group and scare this nurse half to death. They 
>> launch their bikes and sashay through the air and hope everyone is 
>> watching. The Jumpers are wilding the hardest. 
>>
>> I quickly realize that the middle-back is the place to be. Away from The 
>> Kids and The Jumpers. I want to ride by J, but I also want to go home by 
>> private vehicle, not ambulance.
>>
>> We block intersections and ride through red lights; drivers submit to all 
>> of this. No honking or threatening behavior. Just tolerance for 121 bikes 
>> and riders wending through their streets. We ride through neighborhoods 
>> (only one crash!), and then along the aptly-named Grand River. Everyone 
>> stares at us, a massive clot of bikes, moving along the path. We get to a 
>> pavilion where everyone chats in a haze of pot smoke and beer drinking. I 
>> drink my usual electrolyte water; I need my wits about me. Three men come 
>> to ogle my Platypus. They are into all the custom colored bits. One of them 
>> is Velocity USA’s anodizer; here is the man who anodized my rims! 
>>  [image: image3.jpeg]
>> It turns out, he is my bike twin. I am jealous of the blue metal flake in 
>> his purple paint job. I didn’t think someone could out-sparkle me, but he’s 
>> done it.
>>
>> [image: image4.jpeg]
>>
>> Isn’t it scary how much we have in common?
>> [image: image5.jpeg]
>>
>> At 10pm, good and dark out, we set off. Here was the description of the 
>> ride: “…We‘ll head back to the Monarch via a less level and less paved 
>> route, so if you’re heading back with us, bring some tires!”
>>
>> WHAT COULD GO WRONG.
>>
>> It is the black of night. We are in the middle of nowhere. There are 
>> animals in the woods. We are behind a factory of some kind. The parking lot 
>> is dirt and full of pot holes. Now there is no road, no buildings. We are 
>> in the woods, riding over tall grass. We can see a few feet in front of us, 
>> we cannot see the ground through the grass. I am praying not to land in a 
>> hole. Now we are in sandy soil, with deep ruts in it. I am thanking my 
>> lucky stars that I went with 48mm Gravel Kings. The group is beginning to 
>> split as different people set different paces for this terrain. Now we are 
>> in rocky dirt with tall grass and brush growing up through it. We are 
>> forced to dismount at times, squeeze through narrow spaces. We must lift 
>> our bikes up and over obstacles, hoping not to get hit from behind by other 
>> riders in the dark. I wonder how many ticks we have, and if I will get my 
>> first taste of poison ivy. But, I can’t worry about that now because I have 
>> to make it out of here alive first.
>>
>> I end up at the front of my section. The riders directly behind me have 
>> no lights. We are counting on me, and my headlight is pointed too far down 
>> and I can’t lift it because it’s screwed tight. So we don’

Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, I mean this in the kindest possible way. You. Are. CRAZY

Joe "I wanna do this ride" Bernard 

On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 8:10:59 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I did it again. I went to that crazy Wed night Grand Rapids ride. From now 
> on I’m calling it “wilding.” As in, “I am going wilding! See you way past 
> bedtime!” I think that’s a real term, I might be misappropriating it, but 
> it sounds fantastic and suits my purposes.
>
> I arrive at the city park a little early and watch the crowd roll up. The 
> wheelie crowd is right on time, careening around on rear wheels and making 
> everyone nervous. A wide variety of bikes are in attendance. We have a 
> massive turnout, 121 riders, just awesome to behold. J is leading, and he 
> brings this:
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> You can see here that cleanliness is very important to him, and that he 
> does mostly tame rides and so we would have nothing to fear since he 
> planned tonight’s route.
>
> Here is my bike, demure and innocent, having its first adventures amongst 
> all these GR rabble rousers.
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> It is 8:30pm. We set off and a new group makes its appearance. I call them 
> The Jumpers. They have full suspension bikes with names like Salsa on them 
> and when we go up a ramp, they ride up the stairs. They fly off ledges and 
> drop back into the group and scare this nurse half to death. They launch 
> their bikes and sashay through the air and hope everyone is watching. The 
> Jumpers are wilding the hardest. 
>
> I quickly realize that the middle-back is the place to be. Away from The 
> Kids and The Jumpers. I want to ride by J, but I also want to go home by 
> private vehicle, not ambulance.
>
> We block intersections and ride through red lights; drivers submit to all 
> of this. No honking or threatening behavior. Just tolerance for 121 bikes 
> and riders wending through their streets. We ride through neighborhoods 
> (only one crash!), and then along the aptly-named Grand River. Everyone 
> stares at us, a massive clot of bikes, moving along the path. We get to a 
> pavilion where everyone chats in a haze of pot smoke and beer drinking. I 
> drink my usual electrolyte water; I need my wits about me. Three men come 
> to ogle my Platypus. They are into all the custom colored bits. One of them 
> is Velocity USA’s anodizer; here is the man who anodized my rims! 
>  [image: image3.jpeg]
> It turns out, he is my bike twin. I am jealous of the blue metal flake in 
> his purple paint job. I didn’t think someone could out-sparkle me, but he’s 
> done it.
>
> [image: image4.jpeg]
>
> Isn’t it scary how much we have in common?
> [image: image5.jpeg]
>
> At 10pm, good and dark out, we set off. Here was the description of the 
> ride: “…We‘ll head back to the Monarch via a less level and less paved 
> route, so if you’re heading back with us, bring some tires!”
>
> WHAT COULD GO WRONG.
>
> It is the black of night. We are in the middle of nowhere. There are 
> animals in the woods. We are behind a factory of some kind. The parking lot 
> is dirt and full of pot holes. Now there is no road, no buildings. We are 
> in the woods, riding over tall grass. We can see a few feet in front of us, 
> we cannot see the ground through the grass. I am praying not to land in a 
> hole. Now we are in sandy soil, with deep ruts in it. I am thanking my 
> lucky stars that I went with 48mm Gravel Kings. The group is beginning to 
> split as different people set different paces for this terrain. Now we are 
> in rocky dirt with tall grass and brush growing up through it. We are 
> forced to dismount at times, squeeze through narrow spaces. We must lift 
> our bikes up and over obstacles, hoping not to get hit from behind by other 
> riders in the dark. I wonder how many ticks we have, and if I will get my 
> first taste of poison ivy. But, I can’t worry about that now because I have 
> to make it out of here alive first.
>
> I end up at the front of my section. The riders directly behind me have no 
> lights. We are counting on me, and my headlight is pointed too far down and 
> I can’t lift it because it’s screwed tight. So we don’t have a lot of 
> forward visibility. I see something in the dark. The ground starts to drop. 
> “STOP STOP STOP! GET OFF YOUR BIKES!” I yell. Everyone behind me echoes 
> this and I turn on my iPhone flashlight for better viewing. There is a pit 
> just ahead, and an inches-wide beam we are going to have to traverse to get 
> across. I can’t believe it. 
>
> To my left is one 6-8inch wide beam that stretches across a yawning pit. 
> There is another to my right. We are high up enough that there are tree 
> branches reaching across the way. We will use both beams to move everyone 
> across. I have to lift my bike up onto the beam, step up and begin to inch 
> across. The woman behind me lets forth a stream of cuss words. I can hear 
> another woman who is protesting. We don’t h

Re: [RBW] A Different Kind of RR

[Joe Bernard]

I love the "total chaos, might die in the woods tonight" vibe. I wanna do 
this ridiculous ride! 

Slightly Chaotic Joe Bernard 
Lake County CA 

On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 3:41:10 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have long wished to do the Grand Rapids Wednesday Evening Ride. My Riv 
> buddy, J, co-leads it, and the routes are ever-changing and FUN. Maybe you 
> storm the castle. Maybe you end up in a river. Wind up in a kickball 
> tournament. It isn’t convenient - it’s an hour’s drive, and starts after 
> 8pm. A ride that starts after 8!!! On a Wednesday! But those GR folks 
> know how to do it.
>
>
> Last night, I made it. Beginning in the heart of GR, we would ride a 16 mi 
> route in urban and rural landscapes. A variety of bikes were represented; 
> cobbled-together builds, vintage bikes, bikepacking and touring bikes, 
> fixies, hybrids, whatever those bikes are that you ride on the rear wheel, 
> and one Platypus. Not represented: high-tech carbon fiber/time trial bikes 
> with roadies astride them. The reason would soon become apparent.
>
>
> We set off. Bikes were all over the road. “The kids”, a group of teens who 
> ride their rear wheels set themselves up as “blockers” so we could move 
> through intersections. The drivers seemed unbothered. J said, “Leah, I 
> forgot to tell you we are going to blow red lights. The police prefer we do 
> so we stay in one group.” The ride has been going for 20 years, so I guess 
> the drivers expect this. I did as I was told, casting nervous glances over 
> my shoulder at J.
>
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
>
> Most of my miles come from club rides. Club rides prize order, 
> communication, pace, predictability. This ride was a free-for-all. Jubilant 
> and raucous. Music blared from speakers strapped to frames. People sipped 
> beer. The scent of weed hung in the air. The Kids zipped about on one 
> wheel. We had two crashes in the first 20 minutes. I vacillated between 
> having fun and feeling terrified. 
>
>
> One minute we were in the city, the next we were in the woods on a paved 
> trail, bodies of water surrounding us. The sounds of the creatures in the 
> woods were as loud as the music on the bikes. We sailed over bridges, 
> veered off onto gravel, our giant band of bikes wending its way along the 
> route. It was gorgeous. 
>
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
>
> We stopped at a giant pavilion, strung with outdoor lights, and 
> rabblerousing ensued. People laughed and visited, music played, fireflies 
> flickered overhead. At nearly 10 pm, in the pitch black of night, they 
> mounted their bikes, got back on the trail and planned to end at a bar.
>
>
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
>
> The woods felt like they were closing in on us. Like that scene in The 
> Legend of Sleepy Hollow. It was THRILLING, and I smiled to myself in the 
> dark. Suddenly there was yelling at the front and SLOWING….I couldn’t make 
> out the word at first. SKUNK!!! An actual skunk was running along the path. 
> We dared not pass him for fear of smelling more like skunk than the weed 
> smoke had already done to us. 
>
>
> I skipped the bar; J rode me to my truck and helped me load my Platypus. 
> The Platypus was perfect for this; chunky tires and compact size, front and 
> rear dyno lights, resplendent in color and quite the conversation starter. 
>
>
> [image: image4.jpeg]   
>
> I got home at midnight; my teenagers were waiting up for me. If they had 
> walked in the door smelling like I did, I’d have grounded them on the spot.
>  
>
>
> 10/10 would do again.
>
>
> Note: I was stone-cold sober, putting TWO electrolyte tabs in my water was 
> as wild as I got. Lest you think poorly of me. 😊
>
> On Aug 1, 2024, at 6:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> People here are always posting about their “ride reports.” Something 
> enchanting in some far away place with photos that pose the bike JUST SO…
>
>
> But yesterday I went wilding and I’m going to give you a DIFFERENT kind of 
> Ride Report. 
>
> In the next post, though, because you know how I do it…
>
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[RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[Joe Bernard]

I support the Class 1 pedalecs with 20mph top speed on centuries. A century 
isn't really a group ride, I've done many by myself and was passing small 
groups and being passed by other small groups all day so, an ebike going by 
me wouldn't seem unusual. Of course range is the limiter here, most ebikes 
would be relegated to the 40 mile or shorter route unless the rider was 
very good about shutting off power during the event. 

Joe Bernard 
Lake County CA 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 4:53:33 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205 
> miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a 
> number of riders on electric bikes. 
>
> I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of 
> electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody 
> would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes 
> on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange. 
>
> What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little 
> skeptical about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same 
> event, but that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I 
> usually ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would 
> definitely not allow any kind of powered bike.
>
> What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like 
> RAGBRAI, STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or 
> should they have their own events?
>
> Interested to hear what the group thinks.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Ray, 

As a fellow Riv Rider of a certain age with a sorta-mixte custom (Platy-ish 
design) and a Clem L, I would choose Clem. The stepover is lovely, the tire 
clearance grand, it doubles as a trail bike and just plain has character. 
To quote the good and great Leah Peterson, Clems are gems! 

Joe Bernard 
Lake County CA 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:56:13 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> [image: IMG_1849.jpeg]I honestly think the Clem may inch ahead on comfort 
> but not hugely so. 
> I agree that the Clem is an exceptionally nice riding bike and I’ve been 
> riding Rivendells for almost 25 years. 
> I like them a lot and if I had more room I would likely have more of them. 
>
> Chris, I have never had the pleasure to test ride a Sam Maloof chair but I 
> spend several hours a day in one of my own and never want for anything more 
> comfortable, I can’t help you with the car but bright orange compliments 
> that lime olive paint nicely. 
> Here’s my chair 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:25:32 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Ray 
>>
>>
>> I think it was Sam Maloof <https://www.malooffoundation.org> who said 
>> that a chair should first and foremost invite the individual to come and 
>> sit. Rivendell bikes invite me to ride them, far more than any other 
>> bicycle manufacturer, and the ride, like Sam’s rocking chairs, always 
>> exceed my expectation of the invite. 
>>
>>
>> I’ve owned a number of Rivendell bikes (Road Standard, LongLow, 
>> Rambouillet, Bleriot, Bombadil, Sam, and a Platypus) and now a Clem. 
>> Clearly I like Rivendell bikes, and the mindset at Rivendell. 
>>
>>
>> I ride the Clem 99% on the road, around town, and typically on two 
>> extended rides each week. To me, the Clem is the zenith of the Rivendell 
>> experience. I feel like it kindly informs other cyclists that they don’t 
>> have to ride carbon frames, or skinny tires, or clipless pedals, or … to 
>> just enjoy their authenticity. To me, me, it’s the most authentic of the 
>> current Rivendell design. To me, it most inspires wabi-sabi and beausage. I 
>> won’t argue any of those points: my truth, maybe no one else’s. 
>>
>>
>> Is there one that is more inviting to you? 
>>
>>
>> Now, can you folks help me decide which color Montecito Pinto goes best 
>> with the Clem green in my driveway? I'm thinking of only keeping one. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Montecito_Pintos.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:37:47 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations when 
>>> it comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or 
>>> planning) because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the 
>>> clem than the platy. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one 
>>>> in all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
>>>> comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
>>>> that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
>>>> the Clem.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all 
>>>>> of them. 
>>>>> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already 
>>>>>> have. 
>>>>>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>>>>>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>>>>>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>>>>>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better than 
>>>>>> the Platypus will. 
>>>>>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>>>>>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>>>>>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you 
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Joe Bernard]

Will says on Instagram that they're building up a silver and posting pics 
today. 

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 8:58:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> No pics of the Silver?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:03 AM, Dave S  wrote:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-roaduno
>
>
> Page/Photos are up.
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:59:43 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Adjustment - Friction DT Shifters

[Joe Bernard]

I've never experienced a FD where I never had to trim, even with indexed 
front shifting. After a while you'll get to know when you're about to have 
chain rub and will start moving the fd a smidge before you up- or 
down-shift the rear. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I've been riding my Roadini since February and it has been great, although 
> the FD seems less than ideal.  When I'm in the big ring, it works quietly 
> on only the few smallest sprockets.  When I'm the small ring, works quietly 
> on the 4-5 largest sprockets.  I'm often making minor adjustments to the 
> front DT shifter to line it up so there is no chain rub / noise.  I've 
> gotten used to this and it's not really a big deal, but I was thinking 
> there may be something I can do to improve things, and figured this group 
> knows friction!
>
>  The shop who built the bike is great, and everything was well done from 
> what I can tell, so my guess is the FD is set up as good as possible, and 
> maybe only a very minor tweak is required.  Perhaps it's just the specific 
> parts and how they work together (i.e., not a perfect system).  
>
> Before I try and make any adjustments myself I thought I would ask about 
> others' experience with friction shifting, front derailleurs, or perhaps 
> this specific from derailleur.  My success rate at fixing drivetrain issues 
> in the past is moderate...though it's not intuitive for me, and I have to 
> watch youtube videos to learn before doing anything.
>
> Other bikes I have/had are index, usually 105/Ultegra/GRX, and the front 
> derailleur wasn't noticeable, it just worked, quietly.
>
> The down tube shifters are Dia-Compe ENE Ciclo 11sp, front derailleur is 
> GRX 810.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Joe Bernard]

Bill, 

I love the monochrome idea. I remember a Specialized Allez back in the day 
in silver with the grey-ish silver 105 group, grey bar tape and saddle. It 
was sweet! 

Joe Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 7:34:39 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I took the 3x1 inspiration to do a 3x1 Rivendell build on a Romulus.  I 
> rode that bike up Mount Diablo this month and it's becoming a favorite bike 
> in my large stable. Here's a photo of the bike at the summit:
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
>
> I feel like I'm exactly in between a 54.5 and a 58.  The 58 has the Reach, 
> but very high Stack.  The 54.5 has a more reasonable Stack, but it's short 
> on the Reach.  The build concept would influence the size.  I could run a 
> 54.5 with drops and a long stem.  I could run a 58 with a low stem and low 
> rise flat bars.  
>
> I confess that Will tempted me with the statement "at least one maniac 
> will put a Regina 5-speed freewheel on theirs.  I am a big fan of 
> multi-gear 120mm OLD builds, so now I feel like I've been challenged.  Ha 
> ha.  I'll think on it some more when the product page comes out.  
>
> One of the visual concepts I've got bouncing in my head would be the 
> silver color with absolutely every single thing on the build SILVER.  Light 
> grey grips, tires, saddle.  100% silver components.  Not a single speck of 
> black.  I think grey rubber tires would have tan sidewalls, so that would 
> be the only other color.  That could look really good.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> The Roaduno sale begins Thursday June 27th noon Pacific time. Who is 
>> planning to buy one? Will you buy a frameset to build up or a complete? 
>> Color preference?
>>
>> I'm curious as to the demand for this bike. It's not JUST a single speed 
>> which I think is cool. And, cool is good in my lingo. What do you all think 
>> of the stock components?
>>
>> Let's talk Roaduno!!
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mosquito infested NH White Mtns day tour

[Joe Bernard]

My trick (Android phone) is to take a screenshot of the photo and attach 
that version. I have no idea how I thought of this! 

Joe Bernard 
in Lake County CA where it's kinda warm 

On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:11:57 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Yankeebird that dumb thing has happened to me too! In the year 2024, why 
> is Google so stupid? So I will often make my initial thread and then when 
> you get the email, reply from there instead of the Google Group website. I 
> find you can send pics more easily then. Some people even know how to embed 
> photos in their actual post, but that rarely works for me, and if it does, 
> ONLY from the email. I want to see the photos! Try again!
>
> On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:
>
>> When it has said that to me I've found it means the images are too big. 
>> I've had luck resizing them to no more than 5MB total per post. Hope this 
>> helps - I'd like to see your photos!
>>
>> On Sunday 23 June 2024 at 11:33:07 UTC+9:30 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> Wow it hates me
>>> I'll try again tomorrow
>>> If anyone has any tips as to how many I can embed into the text using 
>>> Google's resizer to "best fit" pls let me know
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 9:54:35 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ya'll have to imagine it
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Probably one of my top 3 worst mosquito experiences in New England and 
>>>>> we forgot the dope. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice and cool though, mid 60s while everyone south of NH was 
>>>>> sweltering. Light rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> I rode my Clem L and my bike buddy rode his Peugot Orient Express that 
>>>>> he found on the side of the road for free. He put some Gravel Kings, a 
>>>>> B17, 
>>>>> and new grips on the bars and that was that. Everything else, including 
>>>>> drivetrain is original.
>>>>>
>>>>>  [image: image.png]
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to post more pictures but it keeps telling me the post is too 
>>>>> long. Length? Word Count? MB? I cut it down to 3 picture and still no 
>>>>> dice.
>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: 53cm Roadeo

[Joe Bernard]

The dropbar setup is already on the Albastache cockpit, too. She could 
start there then switch to drops, easy! 

Joe "nudge nudge wink wink" Bernard 

On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:36:41 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

> With a different cockpit, I wonder if this would fill Leah's quest for a 
> drop bar bike. My Roadeo rides like a dream. Per the website, the sizing of 
> (PBH - 27) worked for me. The red anodizing is very striking. Very nice 
> bike. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2024 at 1:56:07 PM UTC-6 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> Rich kindly let me ride this Roadeo once and it is not only a beautiful 
>> bike, but it also rides like a dream.  With the top of the line, color 
>> matched White Industries hubs and beautiful anodized A23 rims, the bike is 
>> worth every penny (and more).  I'm happy for the lucky person who gets to 
>> ride this bike.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:55 AM Rich Lesnik  wrote:
>>
>>> Time to let my Waterford-built Roadeo go, I'm afraid. With advancing 
>>> age, it's just not comfortable any more! I'm putting a link to the web page 
>>> describing the bike, with lots of photos. There are some significant 
>>> changes to the cockpit, and a different rear derailleur. Otherwise, as 
>>> pictured (no bag, saddle or pedals, though).
>>>
>>> Some features:
>>> Ritchey Logic double crank, set up "wide-low" (48/38)
>>> White Industries anodized red T11 hubs, Velocity A23 rims, also anodized 
>>> red. Black spokes/nipples. 32 spokes front and rear
>>> Albatross bars, with a Silver2 bar-end shifter for the rear. Simplex 
>>> downtube shifter for front.
>>> I also have an alternate cockpit: Albastache bar, Shimano brake levers, 
>>> brown shellacked tape.
>>>
>>> Asking $2800.
>>> Rich's 53cm Roadeo 
>>> 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First ride on Clem

[Joe Bernard]

It's a perfect bicycle. I have a Riv Custom and I can't say my Clem is *better, 
*but it's such a wonderful bike that sometimes I prefer riding it. It does 
a relaxed "just look around and enjoy" thing that's hard to explain if you 
haven't ridden one. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 6:22:33 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:

> Incredible. Thing glides! So stoked 
>
> Franco Rinaldi 
> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 55 cm Platypus on Amtrak

[Joe Bernard]

The adventure begins! I had a feeling you might get lucky with a roomy 
train and helpful helpers in that Michigander way they have about them. 
Have a lovely time, Leah! 🙂🙋‍♂️

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 7:51:58 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Guys, they’re being so nice to me! They carried my bike up the steep 
> train steps, they told me to put it in a great place. No bags removed. 
> [image: image3.jpeg]
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> I told the agent I was so excited and thanks for helping me and he has 
> been over here 10 times to point out everything he knows about anything. 
> This is GREAT!
>
> Also, check this out. Seen as I wandered the train cars.
> [image: image4.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2024, at 12:33 AM, Timothy Hurley  
> wrote:
>
> On the Amtrak trains in the DC/NYC/Boston corridor you have to take the 
> front wheel off and hang the bike on a hook. I'm not sure if it's the same 
> everywhere, but fenders might be more of a problem than a long bike. I can 
> second that the conductors don't care about the dimensions of your bike 
> unless it's something crazy. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:02:00 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Ryan, same thoughts! I’m staying in a hotel. I’m not much of a 
>> camper. I feel like the Canucks might think that’s rather weak of me. 🫣
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> yeah if  little Prince platy isn't dialed in yet I'd roll the dice and 
>> take the raspberry one that you feel most efficient on. First day of 61 
>> miles is not an insignificant distance (100 klicks to us Canucks) with 
>> possible wind and heat issues...
>>
>>
>> Are you camping or staying in a hotel/motel?
>>
>> Have fun
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 5:24:50 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for revealing all of the details.  Helps explain the situation 
>>> better.  Under the circumstances I'd say take the longer Platy and try to 
>>> deal with the Amtrak conductors at New Buffalo.  Doesn't sound like it'll 
>>> be much of a problem.
>>> Oh, and congrats on having a son who's studying physics during the 
>>> Summer time.  More power to him.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh George, do you really want to know these details? Ok, then. 
>>>>
>>>> I’m married to a man who is so fun and so yummy and he was going to 
>>>> drive me to Chicago and we were gonna make a night of it. So I was taking 
>>>> my preferred bike. But then he remembered he’s actually flying out of 
>>>> state 
>>>> for one of his many engagements and won’t be free to retrieve me in New 
>>>> Buffalo at the ride’s end. Now I have to rely on our teenage son to get 
>>>> me, 
>>>> and he is not thrilled to miss out on a single second of his summer 
>>>> college 
>>>> physics study time. Yes, seriously.
>>>>
>>>> The little Platy is just not trustworthy yet. It’s got a fender strut 
>>>> that’s misbehaving and I’m waiting for a new one to arrive. It’s work to 
>>>> get that thing to really roll, and I like to keep a good clip on long 
>>>> rides. But the people in New Buffalo are likely a little more low key than 
>>>> in a big place like Chicago, and maybe they’d let this pretty, too-long 
>>>> Platy on board this one time for this one journey. 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 4:12 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Between this post and your previous post requesting a ride partner I 
>>>> have to admit to being a bit confused.  If the concern is whether or not 
>>>> you can take that long Platy on Amtrak back to KZoo, how were you planning 
>>>> to get from Michigan to Chicago in the first place?  I'd assumed that 
>>>> you'd 
>>>> be taking the train on that leg, too, having been dropped off a New 
>>>> Buffalo.  And if I were you, I'd use your new shorter Platy for this ride, 
>>>> since you got it to fit on the train in the first place.  I wouldn't make 
>>>> a 
>>>> big deal over the size tires, etc., just use and ride that bike. I'm sure 
>>>> you'll be just fine out there with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon

[RBW] Re: Replacing Albastache with Losco

[Joe Bernard]

I'd try the Face Plater first, you'll know pretty quick how much further 
forward you'll need those very-different-from-stache bars. Fortunately the 
Face Plater is open clamp so you can test mount without scratching things 
up. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 5:47:16 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:

> Seeking guidance here on stem length.
> I have a first gen. 56cm Hillborne with a very long top tube.
> Currently built up with Albastache bars on a very short stem ...this Crust 
> stem 
> <https://crustbikes.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-x-crust-bj-stem> 
> with only 25mm on extension.   It's a great pairing for the Albastache.
> I think I want to try Loscos on this bike.  I like using bar-ends and 
> that's one of the bars that seems to accommodate them well.  
> Can anyone suggest an appropriate stem length for the Loscos?  I think I 
> would probably go Technomic vs a hi-rise faceplateralthough I do have 
> an 85mm one of those already on-hand.
> pics show the location of bars and how far they come back
>
> thank you
> JS
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Saddlesack Medium, gray, $150

[Joe Bernard]

No longer for sale cuz I decided to keep it. It's a good bag! 

On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 8:56:55 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My 20-year flirtation with saddlebags seems to be over, I'm a 
> trunkbag-and/or-Backabikes guy now. 
>
> Older style of the Happisack with dual straps and kangaroo pouch, this 
> "medium" is quite large. 
>
> This is an ex-Leah Bicycle Belle Ding Ding bag, note the adorable patch 
> under the pouch which looks like her blue Clem that I also now own! 
>
> $150 + shipping
> PayPal Venmo check 
>
> Email or text for questions and more pics
> joeremi62 gmail com 
> text 415 786 4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>
> Thanks! 🙋‍♂️
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20240610_084506.jpg][image: 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 ti, black, $100

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD. Quickly!

On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 9:00:23 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Broken in and comfy, lots of life left, I once again have more saddles 
> than bikes and don't need any more bikes! 
>
> $100 + shipping
> PayPal, Venmo, check
> joeremi62 gmail com 
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>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Joe Bernard]

"I don’t know anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster 
than these 650b."

A common note about 26"-and-smaller wheels is they spin up faster than 700c 
but don't hold momentum as well. You may be experiencing this phenomenon 
with 650b as well. 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:55:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
> differences, I don’t know.
>
> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>
> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
> because they come highly lauded. 
>
> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>
> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
> having such fun in the process.
> Leah
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
> through with the 1 in for me.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
> -Wes
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>
>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>> passions turn out.
>>
>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
>> --- coating.
>>
>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus 
>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
>>> interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Joe Bernard]

I can't believe it's finally here, I was young when this project started! 
That is a fine and lovely bicycle, congrats to you and all the builders who 
made it happen. 

As Roberta said I'm very curious how it will feel compared to your 55 
Platys. Tell us everything! 

Joe "likes the My Little Pony bike" Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>
> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
> to arrive.
>
> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>
> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
> Little Platy. 
>
> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken on 
> Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I put 
> fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>
> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had rainbow 
> hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the colors? 
> I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I had my 
> Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for grips, I 
> found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil slick 
> everywhere I could get it. 
>
> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>
> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
> She understood the assignment. 
>
> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>
> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>
> Please find my video link below.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Ok let's try offers on complete or frameset or some combination thereof. 

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Smarter, yes. Will it work? Doubtful. I think I need more cash to let it 
> go than folks are willing to spend. This whole project looks to be winding 
> down soon and I'm ok with it 🤷
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 10:41:21 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a smarter idea...then buyer can configure the frame as 
>> desired and parting out can maybe recover more of your costs...good luck 
>> with the sale!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:08:56 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Frameset with headset, BB and Nitto post, $3k plus shipping. 
>>>
>>> I can use the fancy wheels on my Clem and part out some stuff, plus a 
>>> frame is much easier to pack than a complete bike with Boscos. Would rather 
>>> not! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>> Clearlake CA 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:05:13 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just so's y'all know, I rode the motorbikes for decades. I got a 
>>>> refresher course and decided to give it another whirl. It will be a used 
>>>> bike, maybe a Harley Sportster, this is HOG country up here. The point of 
>>>> the thread is to sell a bicycle! 😁
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-7 Mark R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get 
>>>>> around town, it was safer to commute at night than
>>>>> my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it 
>>>>> feels, before you sink money into it
>>>>>
>>>>> I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next 
>>>>> because it was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
>>>>> ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k 
>>>>> miles on that Moto.
>>>>> As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . 
>>>>> I put 22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
>>>>> This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the 
>>>>> latest safety features. 
>>>>> Mark R
>>>>> SDCA 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 50 cm Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

"I'm sure we'll all try and keep our eyes peeled :)"

As a long time Friend Of Leah I take it as a personal affront that I 
haven't been able to find this bike for her yet, I've been searching like 
it's my JOB. Step up, people! 

Joe "it's gotta be here somewhere" Bernard 

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 5:27:17 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> I'm sure we'll all try and keep our eyes peeled :) 
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 7:23:01 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
>> I am looking to try out a RivRoad bike and specifically, a 50 cm Roadini. 
>> I’ve been looking on my own, but no luck so far. I’d like one with drop 
>> bars, so I wouldn’t have to swap out the whole setup, as this likely isn’t 
>> a forever bike…it’s an experiment. But we’ll see. 
>>
>> If you have one for sale, or if you see one for sale, would you help your 
>> RivSister out and tell me? 
>>
>> Thanks always!
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Smarter, yes. Will it work? Doubtful. I think I need more cash to let it go 
than folks are willing to spend. This whole project looks to be winding 
down soon and I'm ok with it 🤷

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 10:41:21 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Sounds like a smarter idea...then buyer can configure the frame as desired 
> and parting out can maybe recover more of your costs...good luck with the 
> sale!
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:08:56 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Frameset with headset, BB and Nitto post, $3k plus shipping. 
>>
>> I can use the fancy wheels on my Clem and part out some stuff, plus a 
>> frame is much easier to pack than a complete bike with Boscos. Would rather 
>> not! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:05:13 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Just so's y'all know, I rode the motorbikes for decades. I got a 
>>> refresher course and decided to give it another whirl. It will be a used 
>>> bike, maybe a Harley Sportster, this is HOG country up here. The point of 
>>> the thread is to sell a bicycle! 😁
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-7 Mark R. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get 
>>>> around town, it was safer to commute at night than
>>>> my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it 
>>>> feels, before you sink money into it
>>>>
>>>> I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next 
>>>> because it was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
>>>> ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k miles 
>>>> on that Moto.
>>>> As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . I 
>>>> put 22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
>>>> This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the 
>>>> latest safety features. 
>>>> Mark R
>>>> SDCA 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Frameset with headset, BB and Nitto post, $3k plus shipping. 

I can use the fancy wheels on my Clem and part out some stuff, plus a frame 
is much easier to pack than a complete bike with Boscos. Would rather not! 

Joe Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:05:13 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Just so's y'all know, I rode the motorbikes for decades. I got a refresher 
> course and decided to give it another whirl. It will be a used bike, maybe 
> a Harley Sportster, this is HOG country up here. The point of the thread is 
> to sell a bicycle! 😁
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-7 Mark R. wrote:
>
>>
>> Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get 
>> around town, it was safer to commute at night than
>> my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it feels, 
>> before you sink money into it
>>
>> I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next because 
>> it was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
>> ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k miles 
>> on that Moto.
>> As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . I 
>> put 22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
>> This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the 
>> latest safety features. 
>> Mark R
>> SDCA 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Just so's y'all know, I rode the motorbikes for decades. I got a refresher 
course and decided to give it another whirl. It will be a used bike, maybe 
a Harley Sportster, this is HOG country up here. The point of the thread is 
to sell a bicycle! 😁

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-7 Mark R. wrote:

>
> Motorcycles are addicting. I’ve been riding street since 1989 to get 
> around town, it was safer to commute at night than
> my bicycle.  My opinion is to buy a used smaller bike, see how it feels, 
> before you sink money into it
>
> I got rid of one bike because it was too slow and loud. The next because 
> it was too tall and I had trouble reaching the
> ground at lights. Then I found the Perfect fit for me and put 40k miles on 
> that Moto.
> As it stands , I hardly ever use my car (about 2k miles since 2019) . I 
> put 22k one bike and 2k on another till last year.
> This year I’m on track to 10k, this bike is new and fresh with all the 
> latest safety features. 
> Mark R
> SDCA 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Joe Bernard]

I don't think that 'against a drab white wall' shot is going to be 
indicative of how Sergio Green will look outside while riding. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-7 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
> orange...
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Brian, 

Those bikes were designed around the same time as my frame (Platypus, too) 
so similarities wouldn't surprise me. A main difference would be less drop 
in the toptube, I wasn't going for a true mixte. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:17 AM UTC-7 Brian Turner wrote:

> To me, this bike looks very, very similar to the last production run of 
> the Roscoe Bubbe, but with fancier lugs and a slightly longer wheelbase. 
> What if you were to find one of those in your size, sell both the custom 
> and the Clem, then you’d perhaps have a Riv that combines the elements of 
> both?
>
> Brian
> Lex KY 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Bill, 

I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with so 
there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem would 
be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure it would be 
worth the trouble. Also I just really like the Clem, I love the color and 
its utilitarian non-precious vibe. The truth is if I had known in 2018 what 
my riding preferences and mileage would be at 62-years-old I would heve 
just kept the Clem.L I had then and been happy. Who knew?? 🤷

Joe Bernard 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:07:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and sell 
> the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell custom 
> is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is fungible.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

"Letting go of prized possessions can be incredibly hard." 

Tbh it's not difficult for me. At this latter stage of my life (just turned 
62) I find myself at a place where it's the people and experiences I 
treasure; it's the part I can enjoy in the moment, hold in my heart, and 
keep as a lasting memory. Which is all very philosophical of me but this is 
the Joe Bernard I am right now! 🙋‍♂️

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 9:08:44 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Wow, this is a surprise, Joe. Letting go of prized possessions can be 
> incredibly hard. I admire the resolve. Congratulations on the decision. 
>
> Good luck with the sale. Whoever nabs that custom will be lucky to have 
> it! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 11:52:39 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Ebike:
>>
>> I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
>> still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
>> Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
>> was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
>> are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
>> with so I'm interested. 
>>
>> Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, 
>>> but a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
>>> e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
>>> battery and 100-120 mile range.
>>>
>>> Good Luck! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
>>>> Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
>>>> yet. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>>>>>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good 
>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>>>>>>>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to 
>>>>>>>> take new 
>>>>>>>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Ebike:

I've owned/built a few but they don't fit what I'm looking to do now. I 
still have my motorcycle endorsement and just took the Motorcycle Safety 
Foundation course again with a friend to refresh my skills and see if it 
was a thing I wanted to get back into (before I'm too old!). Motorcycles 
are a culture up here in Lake County and I have a bunch of folks I can ride 
with so I'm interested. 

Joe "will still have a lovely Riv even after selling one" Bernard 



On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-7 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Joe, why not get an e-bike?  I'm old and still ride regular bikes, but 
> a lot of my friends, especially those in their 70s, have all gone to 
> e-bikes. Specialized has arguably the best right now with its second 
> battery and 100-120 mile range.
>
> Good Luck! 
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:23:30 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my 
>> Riv at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step 
>> yet. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>>>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>>>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>>>>>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
>>>>>> new 
>>>>>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Motorcycle: I don't know. I think it's going to take a while to sell my Riv 
at a price I can live with so I'm not real focused on the next step yet. 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 4:55:23 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> What motorcycle are you going to buy?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 7:16:12 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Oh Joe...you waited so long for that bike. I do hope you don't regret 
>> selling it. I'm sure it'll make someone happy. ...hmm might be a good bike 
>> for Leah...54 cm MIGHT work for her
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 12:35:51 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> $5k + shipping 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
>>>> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take 
>>>> new 
>>>> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

$5k + shipping 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 10:25:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a 
> motorcycle again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take new 
> pics with current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html
>
> Joe Bernard 
> joeremi62 gmail com
>

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[RBW] FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

Divorce from reality forces sale, I've convinced myself I want a motorcycle 
again. Details and geometry in Craigslist ad, I need to take new pics with 
current drivetrain, will post that album soon. 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/clearlake-park-rivendell-custom-54cm/7744497816.html

Joe Bernard 
joeremi62 gmail com

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[RBW] Re: Caution: "Cuddle Bears"

[Joe Bernard]

My concern is FS posts from folks with no history of posting here. My 
advice to all is skip it. 

Joe "been around a while" Bernard 
Clearlake CA 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> If you are worried that the poster does not have possession of a specific 
> item, it's pretty simple to ask for verification with an updated image. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:40:20 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Max - 
>> I realize you have been in this group for a while, but unless you have 
>> something concrete to offer, I'd ask that you refrain from posting 
>> commentary like this. It's exceedingly vague. If you are an injured party 
>> in a specific transaction, that's different. But it did not seem that way 
>> from this post. 
>>
>> If I understand the issue - a seller repurposed a photograph of a pair of 
>> handlebars. That seems to be the one issue at this point. 
>>
>> As I said in a separate thread - if you have specific _experience_ with a 
>> seller, you are welcome to email the admin - that would be me - with 
>> information.
>>
>> Most of the recent scam attempts - and there are very few here - are via 
>> a DM from someone who has not taken the time to post anything. In this 
>> case, while I certainly encourage caution on any transaction, let's dial 
>> things back a notch, OK?
>>
>> Jim / list admin
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 5:04:46 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Cuddle Bears is / are selling a Susie bike for a very good asking price, 
>>> almost too good to be true. User has no prior posts, a few other details 
>>> don't check out. Use caution. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Joe Bernard]

"Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
something. Like, during riding season!"

I concede that this would be better!

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 10:12:37 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Your friend would be *more* thrilled if this bike was coming in July or 
> something. Like, during riding season!
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Doug, 
>>
>> My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
>> ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
>> CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
>> than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
>> who will be thrilled with this news. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
>>> *Lugged 
>>> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
>>> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
>>> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
>>> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>>>
>>> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think 
>>> it might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the 
>>> CHG, Grant lists them as coming in September.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Roadini and Charlie H Gallup

[Joe Bernard]

Doug, 

My understanding (which may be wrong, my memory for stuff I read a while 
ago seems to have left me as I recently approached my 62nd birthday) is the 
CHG will also be lugged and probably not cheap. It will be longer-stayed 
than the Roadini. It's coming September! I know at least one friend of ours 
who will be thrilled with this news. 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 9:04:26 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Grant's most recent Blahg mentioned the frame schedule and the upcoming 
> *Lugged 
> *Roadini. It seems the Charlie H Gallup may replace the Roadini as the 
> partially lugged more affordable road bike. I appreciate the cream colored 
> head tubes and full lugs but I also really like my solid Mermaid Roadini so 
> I don't feel like I'm missing out. 
>
> Will the Charlie H Gallup be longer than the Roadini? If so, I do think it 
> might work better for me but we shall see. For those waiting for the CHG, 
> Grant lists them as coming in September.
>
> Doug
>

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[RBW] BRe: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Joe Bernard]

Bill, the GOATs are unpadded and I love them. I use a Small on the bike and 
Medium to drive my bus. Recommend!

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:12:04 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I guess that's an OK idea.  Riv has stocked traditional gloves from a 
> number of sources.  At least twice I've bought them and disliked them for 
> one reason or another.  These are yet another variant and maybe they nailed 
> it.  They only have three pairs of medium in stock so I'd better decide 
> quick if I really want three pairs of the same thing...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>
>> Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
>> for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
>>>> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
>>>> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
>>>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>>>>>
>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>>>>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>>>>>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>>>>>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>>>>>> ton 
>>>>>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
>>>>>> durable 
>>>>>> and fashionable.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>>>>>> is totally boring.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>>>>>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>>>>>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>>>>>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>>>>>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> anything good.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>>>>>> options?  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Putting myself in Leah's place to answer your question, if I had her 
plethora of Platys I would choose a new/different bike for drop bars 
because it would be more interesting. Popping drops on one of my Platys 
with wide tires and a dynohub ain't gonna do the roadie thing for me. 

Joe Bernard 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:39:13 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> --What if I flip the question on its head and say could I do club riding 
> with my Cheviot, and what would I gain from getting a road bike?
>
> I've not ridden a Platypus, but I would assume that it would be similar to 
> a Cheviot.
>
> If I stripped down my Cheviot, then I am confident that I would be 
> perfectly fine on club rides.  I have Albastache bars, and basically use 2 
> positions.  My brake levers are on the curves up front and it is probably 
> similar to my drop bars.  I have an upright position at the end of the bar 
> where the bar end shifters are.  I think rides up to a century or 200k 
> would be fine.  I think I might prefer a drop bar for longer rides because 
> I have more hand positions that I use (I'm sure there are more usable 
> positions on the Albastache, but I don't use them...).
>
> For my drop bars, I found this site to describe various hand positions: 
> https://www.roadbikerider.com/dropped-bar-hand-positions/
>
> I probably use position 3 (curves of the flat front bar) for 45% of my 
> riding.  30% in position 7 in the drops and the other 20% in position 9 
> (end of drops) and 10% on the flats or in the hoods (2,5).
>
> I actually don't use the hoods too much because I set up my drop bars so 
> that I am most comfortable in the drops and a bit stretched out when my 
> hands are in the hoods.
> --I would definitely recommend TRP levers if you want to brake from the 
> drops because they are angled out to make it easy to grab when you are 
> braking from the drops.
>
> Aside from more hand positions with a drop bar, there would be more 
> responsive steering from the handlebar.  I think that if I had a bmx setup 
> without brake or derailleur cables, then I would be able to spin my front 
> wheel 360 degrees without falling on my Cheviot.  
>
> If I tried to spin my Roadeo front wheel 360 degrees, then I'm pretty sure 
> I'd fall flat on my face as I angled the front wheel too far to the left or 
> right.
>
> My Roadeo has the best handling via steering input.  This responsiveness 
> to steering gives me better descending capabilities when going down curvy 
> roads.  I wouldn't otherwise need the responsive steering if I didn't 
> descend hilly/mountainous roads, and would be perfectly fine going slightly 
> slower on my Cheviot.
>
> If I had a racing Platy/Cheviot: 1. Albastache bars to have the hand 
> position with the brakes up front to tuck down in the wind. 2. Supple 
> sidewall tires.  Yes there is a greater risk of sidewall damage, but if I 
> store my bike indoors (I do) and do periodic inspection of my tires (I need 
> to do this before big rides for sure), then I am comfortable with the risk 
> benefit tradeoff. The improvement in ride quality and speed was tremendous 
> for me. 38-42 mm is ideal for me (Hetre EL or Babyshoe pass EL or parimoto 
> 38 mm are tires I have used and are wonderful).  I think Jan 
> Heine/Compass/Rene Herse's research showed that 42 mm supple tires are no 
> less efficient and can be more efficient than 28 mm road tires.
>
> I wouldn't worry about the weight of the bike unless I was just hanging on 
> by a thread and needed to lose a pound or two to keep a margin of comfort, 
> or unless I were actually racing (I don't) and seconds might really count. 
> Besides, I know there is a certain amount of satisfaction when a racing 
> Platy keeps up with the carbon fiber pack!
>
> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Well that's just adorable. I mean this absolutely sincerely, you're a good 
man Bill Lindsay. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:13:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your own 
> rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a floral 
> backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on its 
>> first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  I was 
>> especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet ILE 
>> porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result in 
>> her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
>> dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is my 
>> new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  Included 
>> is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my Sunday 
>> 100k.  
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Johnny, the progression of those models at that time connects. The AHH - a 
Country Bike - was a Ram with bigger clearances, then the Saluki was an AHH 
with 650B wheels. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:33:25 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
> Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
> that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>
> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the AHH 
> and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
> difference at the beginning.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
>> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need 
>> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to 
>> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
>>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
>>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
 sizing. Here's the geometry: 
 https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf

 Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
 Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
 lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
 consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.

 On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
 wrote:

> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>
> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>
> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that 
>> all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
>> (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it 
>> a 
>> shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're 
>> almost 
>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to 
>> give 
>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>
>> Best winds!
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for 
>>> being 
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv 
>>> Road 
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a 
 Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t 
 know 
 that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no 
 idea 
 what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
 looks 
 great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which 
 would be 
 ideal. 

 Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has 
 a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Since I haven't chimed in on this yet - which is unlike me - I shall do so 
now. Don't buy bikes you don't want, don't put drops on a frame you've 
already designed around another purpose. Do pick up a Ram or Roadini if you 
stumble on one you love now, you can sell it later. Do grab that Gallup 
when it becomes a reality, I think you'll adore it. 

These are my big thoughts couched as commands but they are just my opinions 
based on what I know about my friend Leah. 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 6:36:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>
> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
> see.
>
> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>
>
> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
> road bike?
>
> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>
> Can I prove that to you?
> No. 
> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  🤬 
>
> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>
> But I just might.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
> 
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>> big names don't do it.
>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>> noticing it.
>>
>> Check out this ad:
>>
>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>
>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>> work for you.
>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
>>> riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
>>> for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
>>> In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
>>> to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
>>> then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
>>> have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
>>> "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
>>> introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
>>> bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
>>> "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
>>> or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
>>> Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
>>> see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
>>> course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
>>> nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
>>> begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one 

[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Joe Bernard]

This is for a phone, I take screenshots of the photos and it works. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:00:30 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of the 
> previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
> notification when I try to post them.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
>> This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
>> anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
>> built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
>> triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
>> pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post 
>> photos on the forum!)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Joe Bernard]

The binder bolt snapped because the seatpost was too small. The bolt and 
post need to be replaced so this doesn't happen again. 

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Joseph -
>
> I am referring to a Nitto seat post binder bolt that you suggested to 
> replace the stock one on my Clem. I am seeing from your web link for a 
> Nitto S65 Crystal Fellow Seat Post. ...or am I missing something ?
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:54:29 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-s65-crystal-fellow-seat-post-27-2-x-250-11031
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Joseph -
>>> Do you have a specific web link for purchase ?  Silver preferably.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:11:18 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post actually 
>>>> seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it for a Nitto. 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 8:25:39 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agreed, thanks for sharing the information Danny. Per suggestion by 
>>>>> Alex W, I also will swap the bolt for a black socket cap instead of 
>>>>> stainless. Stronger but no galling..
>>>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 10:39:25 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Danny -
>>>>>> Very good to know. I thank-you for the information. I think I will 
>>>>>> grease mine as a precaution. I'm sure that Igor appreciates it, as well. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 7:22:14 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve had that happen on a new Riv before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is from a Riv newsletter last year:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Also, make sure to grease the binder bolts before you tighten them 
>>>>>>> down. They ship to us dry and they have a tendency to gall and not 
>>>>>>> tighten 
>>>>>>> down enough unless they're greased up.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Danny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 9:07 PM i  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was installing the seatpost on my wife’s new Clem, and could not 
>>>>>>>> get the seatpost to stop turning. Eventually I broke the bolt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember I had this occur on an old Clem I had as well. 
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Joe Bernard]

https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-s65-crystal-fellow-seat-post-27-2-x-250-11031

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Joseph -
> Do you have a specific web link for purchase ?  Silver preferably.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 11:11:18 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post actually 
>> seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it for a Nitto. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 8:25:39 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, thanks for sharing the information Danny. Per suggestion by Alex 
>>> W, I also will swap the bolt for a black socket cap instead of stainless. 
>>> Stronger but no galling..
>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 10:39:25 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Danny -
>>>> Very good to know. I thank-you for the information. I think I will 
>>>> grease mine as a precaution. I'm sure that Igor appreciates it, as well. 
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 7:22:14 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’ve had that happen on a new Riv before.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is from a Riv newsletter last year:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Also, make sure to grease the binder bolts before you tighten them 
>>>>> down. They ship to us dry and they have a tendency to gall and not 
>>>>> tighten 
>>>>> down enough unless they're greased up.*
>>>>>
>>>>> -Danny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 9:07 PM i  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was installing the seatpost on my wife’s new Clem, and could not 
>>>>>> get the seatpost to stop turning. Eventually I broke the bolt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember I had this occur on an old Clem I had as well. 
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAL988QstY_0yqs-07nqZMTDKBoTvmqT6RUPGC8zkGWnW_GJhkg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
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>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Joe Bernard]

I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post actually 
seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it for a Nitto. 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 8:25:39 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:

> Agreed, thanks for sharing the information Danny. Per suggestion by Alex 
> W, I also will swap the bolt for a black socket cap instead of stainless. 
> Stronger but no galling..
> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 10:39:25 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Danny -
>> Very good to know. I thank-you for the information. I think I will grease 
>> mine as a precaution. I'm sure that Igor appreciates it, as well. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>>
>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 7:22:14 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had that happen on a new Riv before.
>>>
>>> This is from a Riv newsletter last year:
>>>
>>> *Also, make sure to grease the binder bolts before you tighten them 
>>> down. They ship to us dry and they have a tendency to gall and not tighten 
>>> down enough unless they're greased up.*
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 9:07 PM i  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was installing the seatpost on my wife’s new Clem, and could not get 
>>>> the seatpost to stop turning. Eventually I broke the bolt.
>>>>
>>>> I remember I had this occur on an old Clem I had as well. 
>>>>
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>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Hard Miles

[Joe Bernard]

Modine is a good dude who rides. He'll reply on Twitter if you see 
something he's in, I'm sure he'll be quite enthused to discuss this film. 

On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 4:21:26 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> Thanks for the reminder Leah. The film also stars Matthew Modine who I 
> first spotted in a movie called Vision Quest. Nothing quite like setting a 
> goal and pursuing it. Based on a Terry Davis novel praised by John Irving.
>
> I'm in. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 1:37:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> There’s a new movie premiering next week called Hard Miles, and I think 
>> it will delight us. It’s based on a true story about some youth in the 
>> justice system riding their bikes from CO to the Grand Canyon, a 750+ mile 
>> venture. There are some big names in the movie, notably Sean Astin, who 
>> played Samwise Gamgee in LOTR, AND THERE’S YOUR RIVENDELL CONNECTION YOU’RE 
>> WELCOME.
>>
>> I never see movies anymore (I can’t sit still that long) but I plan to 
>> see this one.
>> Here’s the trailer:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxwcSaXXAZE
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

"My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 miles to the trail 
and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage chipotle, beer, and post 
office runs."

I had a Susie for a short time in a previous life and I really wish I'd 
kept it, it would have been perfect for the town and trail rides I do now. 
For the riding you're describing - including a high priority on comfort - I 
think this distinctive, beautiful and destined to be impossible to find in 
a few years bicycle would be perfect. 

Or if you can live with the colors and low toptubes, get a Clem L. I have 
one, it's wonderful. 

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> Been enjoying these forums for a while now, with my first post I’d like to 
> lean on the immense collective wisdom here and get some help with picking 
> out the right Rivendell model. I’ve done quite a lot of personal research 
> and spoken to Riv at least once but would like to open things up to the 
> group for general discussion. 
>
>
> Short sketch of my problem: I love bicycles, but haven’t enjoyed riding 
> them in a long time. I have quite a few, and they all are unpleasant to 
> ride for one reason or another. My priorities are, in descending order: 
> comfort, performance (perceived), utility, price/aesthetics (tie), 
> performance (actual), and at the end would be the ability to do any 
> outer-boundary/end-of-spectrum type activity, riding across the country or 
> racing crits, etc. My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 
> miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage 
> chipotle, beer, and post office runs. 
>
>
> Every time I browse the Riv offerings I become convinced I need a 
> different model. I’m thinking maybe the Atlantis would suit me, but I don’t 
> necessarily love the double top tube, and I’d probably be between the 57 
> and 59. The Appaloosa seems pretty similar, but I’m not crazy about either 
> of the current colors. Can’t say I can tell the difference between that one 
> and the Sam, but I like the Sam aesthetic better. I’m also tempted by the 
> gold Susie/Wolbis, but since I’ll be riding mostly around town, worry that 
> it might not feel as agile as the bikes I’m use to riding do.
>
>
> That’s the short version — would welcome any takes or opinions. 
>
>
> Longer story:
>
>
> Like the rest of you, I love bicycles. A substantial amount of my 
> attention is given to them, day after day, in one way or another. 
> Unfortunately, lately this has not translated into actually riding them 
> very often. It’s a paradoxical state, induced by having too many (project) 
> bikes, none of which I can tolerate to ride for more than half an hour. 
> It’s mostly a comfort issue. FWIW, I am a not unhealthy late 20something 
> male with probably poorish posture from desk-jockeying. I rode an aluminum 
> Cannondale road bike daily for five years, crashed, broke some bones and 
> swore it off for two, then entered this present cycle. 
>
>
> Economic realities necessitate the need to flip bikes and parts to fund 
> the passion. Maybe you think that’s a dirty trade; most are. I’ve had the 
> good fortune to pick up an outrageously rare old school BMX bike for 
> essentially nothing that should cover a very nice Rivendell build, and 
> hopefully obviate the need to engage in as much cycling commerce. 
>
>
> Along the way, I’ve acquired an interesting stable:
>
>- 93 Bridgestone RB-1 and MB-2 
>- Custom 90s Ciocc w/ Columbus EL and Chorus 
>- 93ish lugged Trek 990 
>- 1985 Trek 620 
>
> and a cache of interesting parts, so it’s not been for nothing, but I 
> don’t like riding any of those bikes. Had (still have?) big dreams for the 
> RB-1, but cannot tolerate the reach. Have tried a bunch of stem/saddle 
> options, no luck. Currently building it up w/ a Soma Highway bar and zero 
> setback post, preliminary fit check not promising. Found a crack in the 
> MB’s fork when I was tearing it down and don’t think I want to invest in it 
> without the biplane fork. The Ciocc’s max tire clearance for Corsas is 23 
> rear/25 front. The 990 might be all right, and the 620 too, but both need a 
> ton of work. 
>
>
> I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it was 
> never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to make 
> all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to actually 
> go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile. 
>
>
> Some considerations: 
>
>
> I miss running errands on my bike. I don’t have as much free time as I’d 
> like, but everyone has to go to the grocery store. I also miss long weekend

[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Steve, 

I learned it from motorcycles, too. I run my rear brake with more travel 
than the front so it's hard to lock up, and use it as a drag brake on loose 
surfaces.* Which contributes to my attitude that I don't care much if it 
feels grittier than the front. 

*This pops up a lot when I sell my bikes. I forget to readjust the rear 
brake and buyers tell me there's something wrong cuz the front and rear 
feel very different! 

On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 11:12:45 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joe, at the risk of veering off into a discussion or braking technique, I 
> am curious how you control your speed when descending or cornering on rough 
> or loose surfaces. While I recognize that the majority of stopping power 
> resides in the front of the bike,  I find the ability to modulate the rear 
> brake critical in those situations, and tend to wear out my rear pads long 
> before the front ones. Even in a straight line stop on level terrain  I 
> find using the rear brake along with the front helps to keep the bike 
> settled by avoiding sudden loading of the front end. 
>
> Admittedly, some of my approach may be a carry over from motorcycling, but 
> it works for me.  
>
> Steve  
> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 11:38:37 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You may get a little smoother (less gritty-feeling) action at the brake 
>> lever because the cable is making one less turn at the seat lug, but I'm 
>> not sure it's worth the bother. On my mixte and step-thru I adjust the 
>> spring tension at the rear brake to get a strong snap-back at the lever and 
>> it seems to overcome any stiction in the housing well enough* 
>>
>> *YRMV, it bothers some folks more than others. I tend to use the rear as 
>> a "well it's there, I guess I'll pull that lever, too" option and think 
>> about the front brake as the one actually stopping the bike. The rear 
>> feeling a little different is something I mostly ignore. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 4:28:13 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I currently have the standard cable routing for my rear cantilever 
>>> brakes. The cable and housing runs up the top low bar onto the seat tube 
>>> and up and over the seat stay into a cable housing guide off of the seat 
>>> post binder bolt. See first attached picture.
>>>
>>> My question is would there be less friction of having the cable and 
>>> housing run in the same route as above, except for having it run through a 
>>> DIA-COMPE 
>>> center pull cable pulley roller mounted off the the seat binder bolt with a 
>>> longer seat binder bolt ?  See second attached picture.
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts and feedback ?
>>>
>>> Would there be any differences ?
>>>
>>> Thank-you,
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>> [image: Nitto S83 Seat post 2mmm.jpg][image: xjeovlzsunac1.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question about rear brake cable housing routing with low friction on a Clem

[Joe Bernard]

You may get a little smoother (less gritty-feeling) action at the brake 
lever because the cable is making one less turn at the seat lug, but I'm 
not sure it's worth the bother. On my mixte and step-thru I adjust the 
spring tension at the rear brake to get a strong snap-back at the lever and 
it seems to overcome any stiction in the housing well enough* 

*YRMV, it bothers some folks more than others. I tend to use the rear as a 
"well it's there, I guess I'll pull that lever, too" option and think about 
the front brake as the one actually stopping the bike. The rear feeling a 
little different is something I mostly ignore. 

Joe Bernard 
On Sunday, March 31, 2024 at 4:28:13 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I currently have the standard cable routing for my rear cantilever brakes. 
> The cable and housing runs up the top low bar onto the seat tube and up and 
> over the seat stay into a cable housing guide off of the seat post binder 
> bolt. See first attached picture.
>
> My question is would there be less friction of having the cable and 
> housing run in the same route as above, except for having it run through a 
> DIA-COMPE 
> center pull cable pulley roller mounted off the the seat binder bolt with a 
> longer seat binder bolt ?  See second attached picture.
>
> What are your thoughts and feedback ?
>
> Would there be any differences ?
>
> Thank-you,
> Kim Hetzel. 
> [image: Nitto S83 Seat post 2mmm.jpg][image: xjeovlzsunac1.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bombadil in the depths of the Old Forest

[Joe Bernard]

I love this bike!

On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> This bike is not new to most of you, but I wanted to share a proper photo 
> taken by a friend of the current configuration. The photo was taken midway 
> up a low-traffic, rather technical hiking trail that followed a creek up 
> the mountain to the powerline cut where we were aiming. None of it was 
> rideable, nor did we expected it would be. It's a heck of an upper body 
> workout, and frustrating at times, but I've been enjoying these "rides" 
> where we try to link up sections we know are good using as little pavement 
> as possible. The key has been to accept that there will be some 
> hike-a-bike. 
>
> Anyhow, the Bombadil, which I've had since October 2020, purchased from 
> Joe, and repainted by Chris DeKerf around Christmas 2021, is now in "drop 
> bar adventure bike" configuration. It's strange, no doubt, to have a 
> Hillborne and Bombadil and to put the drop bars on the Bombadil. But my 
> logic is - the Hillborne is a great commuter and errand bike on Albatross 
> and with the pannier rack. It's got a kickstand, too. The Bombadil may be 
> stout but it's capable of just about anything, and with drop bars it feels 
> pretty sporty and not unlike a 'monstercross' rig. Just prettier. 
>
> Plans at present include: install the SON fender mount tail light I have 
> around, add a M1-B front rack so I can run a larger bag, and swap the 
> bright fender flap for a grey Riv one I have kicking around. I also have a 
> full canvas camp setup using R-10 and Tubus Tara racks; looking forward to 
> some more adventures on this soon! 
>
> [image: 103081.jpg] 

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[RBW] Re: Anecdatum: Single datapoint "pro" for dynamo lighting.

[Joe Bernard]

This is the point Leah (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) mentions: She rides a lot 
and always has her lights. I ride not as much but run my rechargeables day 
and night and tell myself they're fine. Have I forgotten to charge them the 
night before? Yes. Have I charged them but still had one crap out on me 
before the ride was over? Also yes! 

I haven't been convinced to invest in a dynohub yet (current bikes, I've 
had them before) but she's right about them. 

Joe "puts fingers in ears, refuses to listen" Bernard
Lake County CA

On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 8:07:58 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think there has been a recent thread or 2, or perhaps just thread 
> tangents, about dynamo lighting versus battery lighting. Here's my $0.05.
>
> I  rushed off to Presanctified liturgy (Orthodox Lent is a month behind 
> Catholic Lent for reasons I don't understand) this evening at 5 pm after a 
> pretty full work day, riding the 2020 Matthews IGH road bike. I am usually 
> pretty good at getting all my riding kit together the night before, or at 
> least the morning before, but as I passed the outbound 3 mile or so mark I 
> realized that I'd forgotten all my reflective gear. I usually wear a bright 
> reflective Sam Browne or big Rivendell triangle as well as bright and wide 
> ankle reflectors on both legs.
>
> But I was safe; the IGH Matthews has a SON 20R powering a 1st-gen Edeluxe 
> as well as a Secula seatstay-mount tail light and that big B&M rack-mount 
> one with a ring of LEDs around a central reflector. I had remembered to 
> attach my B&M Ixion IQ Premium AA battery light to augment the feeble 
> Edeluxe standlight.
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Joe Bernard]

I call it "spouse/SO says I have to sell" pricing. Somehow it never sells! 

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-7 jonathan@gmail.com wrote:

>
> iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to see
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with 
>> Rivs for sale. 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
>>> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question is 
>>> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
>>> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube and 
>>> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better reference 
>>> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Joe Bernard]

Any guesses as to the size of this early Atlantis? My eye can't tell if 
it's 52 or 54cm, I'm fairly certain it's not a 50. 

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 1:44:07 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Not mine and no affiliation, just a shame for me it's not a 56 or 58cm.
> Rivendell Atlantis 2, serial #2 - $1,000 (Santa Cruz)
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-serial/7730132678.html
> [image: 00Q0Q_bDQSLzWSDsP_0CI0pN_1200x900.jpg]
>
> On Friday 22 March 2024 at 09:35:54 UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> PSA: beautiful green 58cm Rambouillet in the FB riv buy/sell group.
>>
>> No connections to the seller and they don't seem to know their asking 
>> price yet, but if you've been looking for one, this one looks great!
>>
>> [image: ram.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>>> Btw, the Reston (VA) Homer is now down to $2,500.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right 
>>>> for a 47cm!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
>>>>> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love a bargain 👍
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
>>>>>>> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
>>>>>>>> this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through 
>>>>>>>>> the roof.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wow
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heron Touring 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 55cm
>>>>>>>>>>>> $7000
>>>>>>>>>>>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
>>>>>>>>>>>> racks, and full Campagnolo...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H&hash=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m

[RBW] Re: Anyone Fender a Romulus?

[Joe Bernard]

This is 20-year-old memory now but my experience says 35 with fenders is 
optimistic. I'm fairly certain I tried that size Pasela with SKS fenders 
and I got up to some serious fender cutting around the (stock) brakes to 
make it work; I'm not convinced 559 brakes will make much difference at the 
top and sides, they're just longer arms. Add that - in my understanding - 
metal fenders need more room than plastic and I'm going to advise 32mm as 
the fattest tire a Romulus can run with fenders. 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 11:36:00 AM UTC-7 tl4ente...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking to not buy multiple sized fenders and tires, never fendered a bike 
> before, hoping to receive some wisdom. Riv claimed fenders with tires as 
> wide as 35.  SomaFabShop is running a sale this weekend and would like to 
> pick up some Honjos.  If I were to go with 33 or 35 wide tires, would a 
> 43mm or 45mm fender work?  I read that 8mm wider than tire is the min, 
> 10-12 is more ideal.  Have Tektro 559 Long reach side pulls on.  Here is 
> link to Riv description for sizes
> Tommy 
> SoCal
>
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I have questions

[Joe Bernard]

Seconded on RH knobbies. I have them in 42mm and they're alarmingly nice on 
pavement whilst leaving some margin when I hit dirt and gravel spots (which 
is most pavement rides around here). 

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 5:32:13 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> ty I agree that charging devices via dynamo hub is not worth the trouble, 
> expense, and risk (of damaging your devices from the variable current) when 
> battery bricks are very economical and super convenient. I can charge my 
> phone about five times over with my little battery brick that cost $40 a 
> few years ago, whether on the road or in the cafe.  It lives in my bike bag 
> so I never forget it. 
>
> I am going to sow the seed now that the gravel & travel platy should run 
> RH knobbies if no fenders - they are remarkably quick on pavement and a 
> lifesaver on gravel and dirt. I run them on my Wombat which I ride on some 
> challenging terrain and I've never felt the tires were a limiting factor 
> yet! 
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 5:13 PM Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> I actually forgot all about that. I had read a large and very nerdy 
>> article on this recently. The reason why this hasn't taken off is because 
>> its not really practical or efficient to charge a phone with the dynamo. 
>> Most phones have software that throttle low level charges like what you 
>> would get from a dynamo. I have been becoming a big fan of battery lights 
>> as well. They have so many lighting options and stay charged for a really 
>> long time. And battery packs are really easy to keep with you if you go 
>> longer. Easier than all of the wires and drag that a dynamo brings. BUT 
>> there is something to be said to always 100% having a light read to go if 
>> you need it.
>>
>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 7:55:19 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Let me be a bit of a contrarian on the lighting situation. Is a dyno hub 
>>> + phone charger worth the hassle?.. I am not sure. 
>>>
>>> A dyno hub puts out a nominal 3 Watts. If you ride it for an hour, 
>>> that's 3 watt-hours worth of electricity. Let's say it gets split 
>>> between the light and your phone. If you ride continuously for 10 hours, 
>>> that's about 30 watt-hours. Let's say half is used to power the light, half 
>>> to power the phone... 
>>>
>>> An iPhone 15 Pro has a 3,274 mA-hour / 12.70 watt-hr battery. So, half 
>>> the energy from the dynamo will charge the phone about once. 
>>>
>>> How large of a battery would hold that much electricity? Thanks to 
>>> modern lithium ion polymer technology, a small power-bank like this one 
>>> 
>>>  (about 
>>> the thickness of the iPhone but fits in the palm of your hand) can recharge 
>>> that phone ~1.5 times (implying it's got ~19 watt-hours of useful 
>>> capacity). A slightly larger one 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> (say about the size of the phone in a sturdy case) holds twice as much 
>>> energy, and even incorporates a charging plug. It's easy to chuck into a 
>>> bag, charge your phone off of it, use it as a wall plug in a hotel / on the 
>>> train, etc.  You don't even need to muck around with wiring on the bike or 
>>> a dyno hub at all. If you forego a dyno-powered light altogether, a battery 
>>> powered headlight will have 6+ hrs of its own battery life, and can be 
>>> charged off the portable battery. 
>>>
>>> In case you don't want to muck around with wires and connectors and all 
>>> that. But if someone's gonna do it all for you and anodize it nice colors, 
>>> then by all means! :-) 
>>>
>>> - Max "trying to unplug and plug it back in again" in A2
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 6:36:58 PM UTC-4 cz...@so

Re: [RBW] Re: Spring Cleaning--Handlebars, Brakes, Stems, Bags

[Joe Bernard]

I would stipulate - as I have before - that "net-to-me-shipped" is 
confusing. I list my items as "price plus shipping" or "price shipped". 

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 10:57:59 AM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks, Mike.  Pirate ship has made shipping palatable.  Most items listed 
> are new, and I will sell anything listed for the retail price, shipped, so 
> no tax or shipping for the buyer.  It seems reasonable to me.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024, 12:25 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Hi Brendan
>>
>> Looks like the Cap'n lists his wants as "per shipped." So the bars, 90 
>> bucks might seem high, but I bet since the box will be large for that one 
>> item, my guess 30-40 bucks shipping if you do not have a commercial 
>> account. I was surprised of the shipping costs I forked over for parts I 
>> sold last month. One box, IIRC 6x6x5 inches was 15 bucks shipping. There 
>> goes my expected "profit." 
>>
>> Mike "postage ain't what it used to be" SLO CA
>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 8:06:00 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Conway,
>>> Respectfully, all of these items are around $10 less when purchased new.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Brendan in SF
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 5:18:59 AM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 46cm Fairweather Nitto 174aa short shallow Noodle drop bars with lots 
 of scratches. $90 net-to-me shipped.

 New-in-box Box Three mini-v brakes.  I have two pairs each of both red 
 and silver.  If you're not familiar, think of these as the poor man's Paul 
 Components Mini Moto.  $45 per wheel net-to-me shipped.

 New-without-box Tektro TRP RRL drop bar brake levers in all black.  $65 
 net-to-me shipped.

 New-in-box Dia-Compe Tech 77 Brake Levers (Black/Silver) for short pull 
 brakes.  $65 net-to-me shipped.

 New-in-box Velo Orange threadless stem with 40 mm reach and 31.8 clamp. 
  $47 net-to-me shipped.

 New Analog/Fifth Season Squall Sack for Wald Baskets $90 net-to-me 
 shipped.

 Barely used (I could lie and call it new) Bags X Bird Better Half - 
 Small Short (S-M Bikes) in Coyote X-Pac with metal hooks.  $120 net-to-me 
 shipped.


 Thanks in advance,

 Conway 

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[RBW] Re: Thumbshifters

[Joe Bernard]

You swap 'em without cables installed: left goes on right, right goes on 
left. Then you put the cables on and run them in friction. 

Once it's done it will seem simple but I can verify the brain takes a 
minute to grasp the idea. 

On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 11:15:30 AM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I am *still* getting my Clem L finished (it was 'found' stock which I now 
> understand was not in inventory originally because it had issues which 
> weren't tracked so I received a bike with build issues). I didn't like the 
> shifter arrangement so I purchased Microshift thumbshifters. When I put new 
> shifters on my Cheviot, I don't recall which ones I purchased, but I do 
> know they were easy to reverse on the holders. This doesn't seem possible 
> with the Mircroshift shifters. 
>
> I am looking for corroboration that they cannot be reversed (the internal 
> stack) on the holders. As it stands, they are on the outside of the 
> handlebars. Then, assuming I am correct, I am looking for recommendations 
> on other shifters that will work (i.e. Silver, Sunrace, Dia Compe). 
>
> Thank you!
>
> kiley
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Joe Bernard]

I love a bargain 👍

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>
>> Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but this 
>> Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
 wow

 On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Heron Touring 
>> 55cm
>> $7000
>> Walled Lake, Michigan
>> Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
>> and full Campagnolo...
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H&hash=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini
>>> 57cm
>>> 2000
>>> Emeryville, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Those SunRace shifters force indexing that doesn't line up with all the 
cogs. Technically you can trim them to work as a friction shifter but it'll 
drive you crazy, you need Silver thumbies. 

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 8:40:52 PM UTC-7 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
> complete Clem.
>
> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
> force on the first two gears.
>
> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>
> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>
> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they have 
> some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide with 
> a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on my 
> part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
> stripped cogs. 
>
> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want to 
> but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
> situation? Thank you!
>
> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
> shifter.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Thinking of replaceing the clem with the gus. Thoughts?

[Joe Bernard]

Bill brings up a detail I skipped over in my answer: keeping both. My 
Sparkle Blue Used-To-Be-Leah's Clem L is a perfect shopper/cruiser I plan 
to hit the trails with when this rain stops. I'd love to find a Gus for the 
trails but I'm not giving up my Clem! 

Joe Bernard 

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:06:27 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I say go for it!  They are very different bikes, so as usual, I could 
> justify keeping both.  If I had both and was asked to get rid of one and 
> retain the other, I could easily see myself keeping the Gus.  I think the 
> Gus would do a better job impersonating the Clem than the Clem would do 
> impersonating Gus.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
>> Regardless of the price/value of each frame, what do all of you think are 
>> the pros and cons of either bikes? overlaps vs. differences? Ultimately, 
>> which would you choose to keep?
>>
>> FYI, I tend to over-build my bikes and I enjoy riding them, so any 
>> comments alluding to "that's too much bike" will be disregarded. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> IY
>> [image: IMG_8169.JPG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Thinking of replaceing the clem with the gus. Thoughts?

[Joe Bernard]

I have a Clem and love it (same color, formerly Leah Bicycle Bell Ding 
Ding's). Gus has higher standover, higher bottom bracket shell, clearance 
for fatter tires, threadless steerer and fillet welds. I don't need one 
over a Clem but I love those frames - and the name - and would grab one if 
opportunity and cash aligned. Get the Gus! 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> Regardless of the price/value of each frame, what do all of you think are 
> the pros and cons of either bikes? overlaps vs. differences? Ultimately, 
> which would you choose to keep?
>
> FYI, I tend to over-build my bikes and I enjoy riding them, so any 
> comments alluding to "that's too much bike" will be disregarded. 
>
> Thanks,
> IY
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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Cheviot (would consider Platty or 59cm Clem) in NC

[Joe Bernard]

Nice sleuthing, Kim! Those are indeed rare frames these days, I love the 
original orange and haven't seen one in a while. 

On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 4:46:51 AM UTC-8 James wrote:

> I've messaged them both!  Thanks ya'll!!
>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:56:19 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh wow, Kim, great finds! Pam Murray had me on the case (your RivSisters 
>> got you, my friends!) and I could not find a single Cheviot for James. I 
>> don’t ever search FB Marketplace - I need to start! James, just hurry and 
>> snatch one of those; they are so dang rare!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 12:24:05 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> In Seattle, Washington -
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/423877213473715/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A4c497921-5d88-4b84-be40-c13146953aa4
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> just south of Seattle. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:50:42 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 This may be something to consider. Seems like a nice bike at a good 
 price. 


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 On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 7:36:05 PM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I am going to bump this one time.  I have had some offers but should 
> have clarified, really partial to the blue or orange Cheviot color ways.
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 3:53:00 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>
>> I am looking to but a 60cm Cheviot, ideally just the F/BB/HS/F, and 
>> ideally locally, in Western NC.  If it's not local, so be it.  If 
>> someone 
>> is interested in a trade, then I have a 2018 62cm Appaloosa for your 
>> consideration.  If not, then I've got cash.  Please let me know if you 
>> have 
>> this bike and are willing/able to part with it.
>>
>> I would *consider* a 60cm Platypus or a 59cm Clem L
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Joe Bernard]

Roadeo would be its direct descendant in a lighter frame handbuilt by Mark 
Nobilette. The other sidepull-brake frames qualify but they're not classic 
flat-toptube road bikes. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 5:20:44 PM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Lots of love for the Rambouillet here! What would be the comparable model 
> in the current lineup? 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
>> Yeah, Rambouillet is the best!
>> [image: IMG_8283_Original.jpeg]
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:49:08 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick -
>>>
>>> You forgot the Ram!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwni
>>> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

 FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the 
 Maes Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. 
 (Rivendell 
 ought to offer it!)

 Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar 
 road/roady-ish bikes

 On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing  
 wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with 
> the idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at 
> a 
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I 
> never 
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the 
> multiple hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike 
> with swept bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. 
> And when riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was 
> going to catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe 
> there's a handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road 
> riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
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[RBW] Re: Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Joe Bernard]

My impression is you've never ridden a Riv (not a criticism, just noting) 
and will be happy to learn they're all great on pavement. Drop bars limit 
how long a toptube you can run so you're probably right that a Homer is a 
good bet (see, also: Roadini, Hillborne). But it's also possible to size 
down a bit and run a short stem (Analog Cycled style) to get the bars close 
enough on most of their frames. 

The nifty thing about all Rivs is they glide great on smooth pavement while 
having a good margin for the gnarlier sections. If you gravitate towards 
the burlier ones like Atlantis and Appaloosa - even Clem L if you can get 
the reach you need - you can load 'em up with all your stuff! 

Joe "all my bikes become shopping bikes" Bernard 

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:56:38 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with the 
> idea of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a 
> comfortable pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what 
> they call "country bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means 
> riding almost exclusively on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest 
> which models are better suited for road riding? Reading and comparing the 
> descriptions, it seems that the Homer might be a good choice, or possibly 
> the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new Charlie Gallop, though I haven't 
> heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I tried a Roadini (which I 
> recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too big for me. I never 
> felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right size. 
>
> I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple 
> hand positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept 
> bars recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when 
> riding on streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to 
> catch the end of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a 
> handlebar in Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of 
> riding and has tried several of these models. Thanks.
>
> Chuck
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Triple FD, 28.6

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks everybody, the FD has been acquired 🙋‍♂️

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:47:38 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Shimano, Campy, Suntour, IRD, some weird plasticky looking Microshift with 
> shims, whaddyagot? For a Sugino 26-36-46 crank, 8-speed chain. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Lake County CA 
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[RBW] WTB: Triple FD, 28.6

[Joe Bernard]

Shimano, Campy, Suntour, IRD, some weird plasticky looking Microshift with 
shims, whaddyagot? For a Sugino 26-36-46 crank, 8-speed chain. 

Joe Bernard 
Lake County CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

[Joe Bernard]

You can still get an orange 51cm Gus frame from Riv. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 6:19:56 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> What am I missing? Aren’t the Susie’s available right now? I mean, I know 
> they are not here yet but at least they have not sold out. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2024, at 9:12 PM, Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Based on what you have described I would continue to ride your Krampus as 
> you wait for the Susie's to become available. 
>
> My past Riv's that I have personally owned have been an Appaloosa and a 
> Clem H. Those bikes are no longer in my stable. Between the two I enjoyed 
> riding the Appaloosa off road more so then the Clem H. I build the Clem H 
> as a purpose build analog mountain bike. I had a very nice build sparing no 
> expense and I hated that bike. Part of the problem is that I wanted the 
> bike to more then it was capable of. I live on the east coast where the 
> terrain is rocky and rooted. There is a lot of stuff that you have to get 
> off and walk with a fully rigged bike, The Clem was too long and unwieldy. 
> Riding it was a chore in woods. The long chain stays were more of a bug 
> than a feature. To be clear this was the Clem H which Riv no longer makes. 
> Maybe the Clem L is better. I am only sharing my opinion based on the Clem 
> H. 
>
> On the other hand the Appaloosa was set up as my dirt road touring bike. I 
> can share one experience when I was riding with friends who were all on 
> full suspension mountain bikes and/or hardtails and I had no difficulty 
> keeping up. The terrain on this particular set of trails was fast and flowy 
> and not rocky/rooted . The Clem H would have been more cumbersome in that 
> same situation. 
>
> I currently have a modern all carbon full suspension mountain bike that 
> easily handles the trails near me. Problem is that I don't ride it enough 
> so it is currently up for sale. That bike is not easy to live with either. 
> The suspension is something that I can't service myself, it has hydraulic 
> disc brakes which I consider to be fiddly. AND I really don't like driving 
> my bike in the car to get to the trailhead. 
>
> The Rivs that I currently own are a Platypus that I just finished building 
> up this month, An A. Homer Hilsen that is currently in my work stand and my 
> beloved Sam Hilborne. I've only ridden the Platy about 40 miles so far but 
> I love this bike! That said, I  won't love riding the Platypus off road. In 
> my opinion its just not the right bike for that. I personally would be much 
> more comfortable on the Sam. The Homer will be strictly used as my road 
> bike. 
>
> Keep riding the Surly that you own. Wait for the Susie and make a decision 
> at that point. I would hesitate to rush into anything else just because 
> they are currently available. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L 
>> will handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't 
>> ridden it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're 
>> super into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no 
>> waiting! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:
>>
>>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>>
>>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or 
>>> loathe these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I 
>>> really would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>>
>>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>>
>>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a sl

[RBW] Re: New bike decision (help!)

[Joe Bernard]

The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L will 
handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't ridden 
it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're super 
into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no waiting! 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:

> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>
> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or loathe 
> these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I really 
> would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>
> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>
> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm not 
> a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love the 
> purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>
> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my Surly 
> Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring myself - 
> it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  That's my 
> problem I guess, not the bike's.
>
> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: I only have 1 chance to get a Rivendell.. which would you recommend?

[Joe Bernard]

Welcome to the Bunch! For me the choice would be between the Homer and 
Platypus. Within that spectrum I would pick my preferred brakes, standover 
clearance, color and name. 

Joe Bernard 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:46:51 AM UTC-8 ahb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Only 1 chance because I'm living in Asia and the closest place I can buy 
> is from Blue Lug online store in Tokyo. So, I have to pay for shipping and 
> import tax.
>
> I mostly commute 90% and joy ride the rest. Wish and would one day will go 
> for long road touring. I'm considering the following model.
>
> A. Homer Hilsen OR Sam Hillborne. From my research, their geometry are 
> pretty much the same now. Except Hillborne is a bit heavier due to tube 
> reinforcement. I'm leaning toward A. Homer Hilsen because its lighter and I 
> can get one now.
>
> Also considering their Step Through. First choice would be Platypus then 
> Clem Smith Jr..
>
> Which one would you recommend and thanks in advance.
>

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[RBW] Re: Going really large on Clems

[Joe Bernard]

Oh shoot, I put this on the wrong thread. Sorry! 😬

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 10:29:24 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Welcome to the Bunch! For me the choice would be between the Homer and 
> Platypus. Within that spectrum I would pick my preferred brakes, standover 
> clearance, color and name. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:49:07 AM UTC-8 snipp...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
>> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
>> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
>> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
>> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>>
>> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
>> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
>> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
>> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
>> than a 59.
>>
>> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Going really large on Clems

[Joe Bernard]

Welcome to the Bunch! For me the choice would be between the Homer and 
Platypus. Within that spectrum I would pick my preferred brakes, standover 
clearance, color and name. 

Joe Bernard 
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:49:07 AM UTC-8 snipp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to 
> their components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion 
> Privateer, Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a 
> proper Riv) Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not 
> just be fiddling with the condiments.
>
> I've been reading what folks have written about Riv sizing, both here and 
> on Rivs website, and was particularly interested in Grant's experiment with 
> a 64 Clem for his 85mm PBH. I have a PBH of 85.5 so in theory I could do 
> similar. Oddly, according to their spec sheets, a 64 has 1mm less reach 
> than a 59.
>
> Anyone cheerfully riding against the grain size-wise?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Joe Bernard]

If the BB spindle you're testing out is too short yes, a chainring with hit 
the chainstay. If you slide it on and there's no resistance as the ring 
gets close..STOP. Not gonna work, pull the crank back and prepare to pull 
that BB and get a longer one in there. 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:53:49 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Thanks for all of the tips.
>
> I appreciate the acknowledgement of the STAND. I do not have one and 
> there's no chance of finding room for one in my apt. Someday that will 
> change . . .
>
> I'm not sure what a crank bolt washer looks like? Maybe I'll know when I 
> see it. I'm assuming it would be under the initial bolt--revealed when I 
> remove that? And I gather that I should be aware that the small ring may 
> hit the chainstays as I'm putting on the new crank? Good to know.
>
> It will be a bit before I get the cranks and have time to work, but I'll 
> post back here with the result. Maybe useful for anyone with a Sam that 
> wants to try a 115mm bb with VO cranks.
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 5:00:46 PM UTC-6 Jingy wrote:
>
>> Also, if you do end up removing the BB, the drive side is 
>> reverse-threaded, so lefty-tighty, righty-loosey.
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-6 Drurad (Sacramento) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I second the disclaimer to check for washer prior to using crank 
>>> puller.  
>>>
>>> -Andrew
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:32 PM Shoji Takahashi  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also, check to make sure there's no crank bolt washer before you put on 
 the crank puller!

 good luck,
 shoji
 Arlington MA

 On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:48:29 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I enumerated a list of tools, omitting the most critical one.  
>
> Learning any mechanical manuever is a LOT easier with the bike held in 
> a proper mechanic's work stand.  Every single is a LOT harder doing it on 
> the ground or with the bike upside down.  The work stand is the barrier.  
> There is not a mechanic on earth who would prefer working on a bike 
> without 
> a work stand.  It's possible to get it done, but it's always harder.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, 
>> and has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>>
>> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>>
>> -pedal wrench
>> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
>> socket, maybe both
>> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank 
>> puller
>>
>> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and 
>> test fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap 
>> caliper 
>> would be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring 
>> will 
>> hit the frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already 
>> crashed your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  
>> Aside 
>> from that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm 
>> would be a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>>
>> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  
>> In some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an 
>> issue.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>>
>>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option 
>>> at the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the 
>>> road.
>>>
>>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and 
>>> this is my first attempt.
>>>
>>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm 
>>> BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently 
>>> have 
>>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to 
>>> know 
>>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>>
>>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest 
>>> a 
>>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if 
>>> so, 
>>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Joe Bernard]

Emphasizing one point Bill mentioned, slide the driveside crank on the 
spindle SLOWLY and stop before you think a ring may hit the frame. Ask me 
how I learned this! 😣

Joe Bernard 

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Generally speaking, anybody who wants to do new mechanical maneuvers, and 
> has the will to purchase the right tools, by all means go for it.  
>
> To swap out your crank set without swapping the BB, what you need are:
>
> -pedal wrench
> -whatever wrench you need for your crank bolts: Long 8mm allen, 14mm 
> socket, maybe both
> -crank puller, and maybe an adjustable wrench to drive your crank puller
>
> Assuming you have all the above, absolutely pull your crank off and test 
> fit the VO.  To measure the length of the existing BB a cheap caliper would 
> be useful.  If your existing BB is "too short" your small ring will hit the 
> frame and if you crank down the crank bolt AFTER you've already crashed 
> your ring into the chain stay, then you'll do real damage.  Aside from 
> that, any clearance is enough clearance, but crazy close, like 1mm would be 
> a concern for many.  3mm is ample.  
>
> Once you have clearance, it's up to you to worry about chain line.  In 
> some narrow Q applications the front derailleur throw can be an issue.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>
>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option at 
>> the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the road.
>>
>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and this 
>> is my first attempt.
>>
>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm BB. 
>> I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently have 
>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to know 
>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter 
>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>
>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO 
>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a 
>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if so, 
>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops 
>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: I am in Bellingham and would be happy to stop over and measure the bike

[Joe Bernard]

This thread is almost 3 years old. I presume the bike has long since sold. 

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:30:02 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I actually live in the historic (by West Coast standards, anyhow) South 
> Hill neighborhood of Bellingham, WA and would be happy to offer my 
> assistance. Reviewing the thread, the OP mentions living in the PNW but not 
> Bellingham specifically — have we narrowed things down to my fair city?
>
> Jay Lonner
> You-know-where
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Feb 15, 2024, at 6:44 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
> To one and all,
>
> Jay Loner lives just outside of Bellingham, Washington. It would be a 
> question as to whether or not he would be willing to come forward and help 
> Ms. Helen Wilson. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:37:56 PM UTC-8 boru...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I can't ride it but could probably answer questions
>>
>> Andrew at cafe velo is Riv savy and Gary Palmer knows a lot of things 
>> that are different from me and Andrew
>>
>> actually between the three of us we have way more expertise than Helen 
>> could ever use and all would be happy to help am sure
>> 206 eight 23 5070 
>>
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:18:38 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry this got posted under digest, not sure how...
>>>
>>> Why not just measure standover? Easy enough to measure from the floor 
>>> straight up to the middle of the top tube. I would think that would be a 
>>> good indicator of fit for the right person.  I always try to go with 
>>> standover due to BB height, how Rivendell measures, etc.  After owning 9+ 
>>> Rivendell bikes Stand Over and TT length are to 2 figures I want to see.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:08:25 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> One caveat about the sizing that's been worked out before folks think 
>>>> it's too tall for them: I believe in that schematic the seattube has been 
>>>> measured to the very tip of the lug, which is where that 65cm number is 
>>>> coming from. Rivendell measures to the top of the toptube as it crosses 
>>>> the 
>>>> seattube, which I think will be a number closer to the toptube number of 
>>>> 61, i.e., the frame is probably 62 x 61cm. Just a guess of course and no 
>>>> slight on Helen's measuring, she's doing the best she can with what folks 
>>>> have told her to measure. 
>>>>
>>>> I also offer my condolences, I'm very sorry for your loss. 
>>>>
>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 4:36:02 PM UTC-7 LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Helen,
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my condolences. It's a hard thing losing one's spouse and Life 
>>>>> partner. I wish you much peace. Second, alas the bike is a touch too big 
>>>>> for me. You'll have no trouble selling that beauty!
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> lyle f bogart dpt
>>>>> Tacoma, WA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:24:54 PM UTC-7 hm_w...@hotmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Curt Goodrich built Rivendell Road bike with custom paint by Joe Bell
>>>>>> -Phil Wood hubs built to Sun CR18 rims
>>>>>> -SHIMANO Deore XT m772 rear derailer
>>>>>> -Deore XT cantilever brakes
>>>>>> -Nitto handlebars and stem
>>>>>> -Silver bar-end shifters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Immaculately cared for.  Stored in climate controlled garage.
>>>>>> Located in Pacific Northwest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking $2000, plus shipping if applicable.
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

e bars, the longer the reach will 
>>>>> feel.. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris in Sonoma County
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 7:31:28 AM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the standover height is acceptable, then I would argue the larger 
>>>>>> frame is going to lead to a better fit. I have a hard time with just the 
>>>>>> raw data which is why I like using bike insights. Comparing the 54.5 and 
>>>>>> 51 
>>>>>> Homers, we can see a few important points: the stack is much higher 
>>>>>> meaning 
>>>>>> the bars are already starting higher. Even with an effective top tube 
>>>>>> increase of 15mm, the reach is only 1mm more on the 54.5. Easily 
>>>>>> mitigated 
>>>>>> with a stem. Seat is going to land on the same axis with either size, so 
>>>>>> fit should be very similar with less seatpost and stem showing. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:20:54 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
>>>>>>> photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
>>>>>>> accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and 
>>>>>>> you're 
>>>>>>> happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree 
>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>> Riv that a 7cm stem should help but I'm concerned that you'll still 
>>>>>>> find 
>>>>>>> the Homer kinda big-ish. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Bernard, who fits a 55 Chev with pullbacks and would need a 51 
>>>>>>> Homer for drops 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>> eitanz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I 
>>>>>>>>> used to bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have 
>>>>>>>>> recently 
>>>>>>>>> gotten back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a 
>>>>>>>>> professional 
>>>>>>>>> bike fit sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems 
>>>>>>>>> well-recommended 
>>>>>>>>> and reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the 
>>>>>>>>> buck bike 
>>>>>>>>> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road 
>>>>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>>>>> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance 
>>>>>>>>> athletics per 
>>>>>>>>> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  
>>>>>>>>> day-long 
>>>>>>>>> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
>>>>>>>>> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
>>>>>>>>> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I 
>>>>>>>>> have. I 
>>>>>>>>> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars 
>>>>>>>>> I am 
>>>>>>>>> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have 
>>>>>>>>> about 
>>>>>>>>> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>>>>>>>>>
&

[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Joe Bernard]

Well THIS thread went to the bad place in a basket you hold by the hand. I 
see $445 at Analog as well. Nice cranks, Analog and Peter White are great 
sellers, buy them at one of those places!

Joe "I've called Peter for an order, I hate talking on the phone and he was 
super easy to talk to" Bernard 

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:45:59 PM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Weird. Analog's price shows as $445 for me. All configurations.
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 4:20:18 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Saturday 10 February 2024 at 12:20:24 am UTC+11 Andy Beichler wrote:
>>
>> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
>> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>>
>>
>>  The link to Analog Cycles in the original post shows me a price of $693 
>> for the complete cranks. The prices from Peter White, when added up, come 
>> to about $440.
>> [image: 103673.png]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, that bar is indeed quite wide and deep. I tried a 46cm Noodle many 
years ago and it lasted about two weeks on my bike, it felt like the reach 
doubled! 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 5:14:49 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all, thank you so much for the replies. To answer some questions and 
> provide additional info: 
> Joe you are correct: 55 Cheviot, 54.5 Homer. I had thought about getting a 
> purple Apaloosa when they went on sale last year, but after talking to 
> Rivendell, realized that the Homer was a better fit for my use case. Once I 
> saw they were offering the butternut/mustard/classic Datsun color, I was 
> in. 
>
>  It's tough picking a size without getting a chance to try the bikes 
> first, so I utilized the PBH sizing Riv recommends--but I do think the 
> frame is a bit large, all things considered. Standover does work for me, so 
> I'm hopeful I can get it to work.  I already have the seat forward on the 
> rails, btw. I will swap the stem this weekend and see how that goes. Next 
>  would be  handlebars, going shorter reach and also narrower. (sounds like 
> I shouldn't be afraid of going even shorter.) I'm currently running a 46cm 
> Noodle, which feels wide in addition to long. When I swapped bars on the 
> Breezer, I went with shorter AND narrower, going from 44-42, and both of 
> those changes helped a lot. . Oh, and Chris, thanks for reminding me about 
> handlebar diameter. I forgot about the different standards. I think between 
> bar and stem, I can make it work for me. This bike is beautiful (way more 
> than my pic), and I put a lot of thought into the build. In retrospect, I 
> would have gotten the bike fit first, with the Breezer, to get all the #s I 
> need. 
>
> Also, thank you Liz for the detailed fit info and the suggestion regarding 
> quill/threadless adapters for the bike fit. I was wondering how that would 
> work.
>
> --Eitan
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:21:47 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I used to run a 30mm extension (w)right stem from Analog Cycles 
>> paired with a short reach SimWorks Co-Misirlou Bar on my 61 Toyo AHH. I 
>> think a shorter 5cm or even 30mm extension stem will do the trick if you're 
>> set on dropbars 
>> Max 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:18:41 AM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so I have a first gen Homer with drop bars and I totally get your point 
>>> on reach, they do seem to be long bikes.. at least with drop bars fitted. 
>>> Plus, I firmly believe the Riv folks tend to skew to putting folks a bike 
>>> one size too large for them (at least in my experience).. 
>>>
>>> What I did was get the Velo Orange quill stem with removable faceplate. 
>>> This stem allows you to use 31.8 bars (or smaller with shims) and opens up 
>>> a TON more bar options than a traditional quill stem with the smaller 
>>> diameters. I'm currently using Salsa Cowbell bars as they have a shorter 
>>> reach and shorter drop that I MUCH prefer over something like a Noodle.. 
>>> another point is the wider the bars, the longer the reach will feel.. 
>>>
>>> Chris in Sonoma County
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 7:31:28 AM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the standover height is acceptable, then I would argue the larger 
>>>> frame is going to lead to a better fit. I have a hard time with just the 
>>>> raw data which is why I like using bike insights. Comparing the 54.5 and 
>>>> 51 
>>>> Homers, we can see a few important points: the stack is much higher 
>>>> meaning 
>>>> the bars are already starting higher. Even with an effective top tube 
>>>> increase of 15mm, the reach is only 1mm more on the 54.5. Easily mitigated 
>>>> with a stem. Seat is going to land on the same axis with either size, so 
>>>> fit should be very similar with less seatpost and stem showing. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:20:54 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
>>>>> photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
>>>>> accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and 
>>>>> you're 
>>>>> happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be a 
>>>>> bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> Riv that a 7cm stem s

[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and you're 
happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be a 
bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree with 
Riv that a 7cm stem should help but I'm concerned that you'll still find 
the Homer kinda big-ish. 

Joe Bernard, who fits a 55 Chev with pullbacks and would need a 51 Homer 
for drops 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I used 
>> to bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently gotten 
>> back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional bike fit 
>> sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended and 
>> reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck bike 
>> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
>> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics per 
>> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  day-long 
>> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
>> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
>> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. I 
>> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I am 
>> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have about 
>> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>>
>>> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
>>> time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they 
>>> can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for them. 
>>>  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that 
>>> a reasonable assumption?
>>>
>>> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves 
>>> are usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
>>> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you had 
>>> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  
>>>
>>> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently 
>>> an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do you 
>>> want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  
>>>
>>> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
>>>> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
>>>> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
>>>> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, 
>>>> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
>>>> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
>>>> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>>>
>>>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>>>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>>>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>>>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>>>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>>>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>>>> ga

[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

There's no Appaloosa in question, the mustard bike is a Homer. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:15:40 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> I said "bosco," but meant "chaco."  The first ones, on the first run of 
> appaloosas, were the bullmoose version.  
>
> (The bosco was designed, coincidentally, in tandem with a model that was 
> also originally going to be called the Appaloosa, but never went beyond 
> prototype form.  It's usually referred to now as tge mystery bike or long 
> bike.)
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:39:43 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> First of all, "welcome,"  and beautiful bikes!
>>
>> I'd encourage you not to give up on getting the appaloosa to fit, even if 
>> it requires some out-of-the-box solutions, or thinking in diferrent ways 
>> than you're accustomed or predisposed to.  Put some miles on it and get to 
>> know it intimately.  And then, if you DO decide it's not ideal as the drop 
>> bar bike you dreamed of, get something else BEFORE you get rid of the 
>> appaloosa.  This group is full of people who sold a Rivendell only to 
>> regret it after the fact.  Your bike might be  perfect as something you 
>> don't yet realize you need.
>>
>> A couple of things you may or may not be aware of:
>>
>> 1.  As with many Riv models, the appaloosa was originally conceived with 
>> a specific handlebar in mind.  In this case it was the Bosco, which was 
>> likewise originally made FOR the Appaloosa.   You could descibe that as 
>> drop bar- or moustache bar-like, in that it has multiple hand positions, 
>> but it doesn't have the long, forward reach of those bars.  It comes back 
>> TOWARD the rider.  I'm actually sort of surprised Antonio recommended that 
>> stem and reach.  I'd expect that to work for me, with my abnormally-long 
>> torso, but not normal people.
>>
>> 2.  Stems are available with very short reach, or none at all:
>>
>>
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem?variant=40095824674993
>>
>> Grant recently blahged about a bike with a stem turned around and 
>> reaching backward  and said it felt totally normal.
>>
>> 3.  Another thing Grant has discussed better than I can, is the 
>> self-negating effect of raising your stem without ALSO shortening it.  (Not 
>> even sure I paraphrased that properly, but it's worth reading before you 
>> mess around with things too much.)  I think that one is on the website 
>> articles.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:20:53 PM UTC-7 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
>>> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
>>> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
>>> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, 
>>> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
>>> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
>>> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>>
>>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>>> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
>>> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
>>> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
>>> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I 
>>> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright 
>>> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar 
>>> endurance/all-roadish bike. 
>>>
>>> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the 
>>> bars are 5" above the saddle. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[Joe Bernard]

What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I used to 
> bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently gotten 
> back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional bike fit 
> sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended and 
> reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck bike 
> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics per 
> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  day-long 
> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. I 
> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I am 
> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have about 
> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>
>> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
>> time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so they 
>> can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for them. 
>>  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is that 
>> a reasonable assumption?
>>
>> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves are 
>> usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
>> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you had 
>> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  
>>
>> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you currently 
>> an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance athlete?  Do you 
>> want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you intend to have?  
>>
>> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:20:53 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, wanted to introduce myself and my bikes. Over the last six 
>>> months I went from zero to two Rivendells, and joined this group--though 
>>> this is my first post: First up, a Cheviot, picked up secondhand, as my 
>>> city bike.  Previous owner built this up swanky: Son, XTR,, Pacenti, Paul, 
>>> XT, etc. . added the front and rear racks. I also picked up a Riv 
>>> Happisack, which alternates with the YEPP mount. Apologies for the 
>>> distinctly un-glamorous garage pic:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2009.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I love this bike. It is exceedingly comfortable and beautiful. 
>>>
>>> Last month I took delivery of a Homer,  which I had built up to be a 
>>> zippy road bike with a classic look: 9 speed friction shifting using the 
>>> Dia Compe shifters to XT derailleur, Rene Herse crankset, Paul brakes, the 
>>> TRP drilled brake levers, with Velocity Quill rims on Deore hubs. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2739.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, as beautiful as this bike is, I haven't been able to get 
>>> comfortable on it. I am too stretched out. I have tried raising the bars a 
>>> bit from these pics, but fundamentally I think the reach is too long. I 
>>> gave my height/PBH to Antonio at Rivendell, and they set the bike up with 
>>> an 80mm stem. I have ordered a 70mm version of the stem, though I'm 
>>> concerned that's getting pretty short. Next step if that's not enough is 
>>> try a shorter-reach handlebar, in a narrower size.  If that doesn't work I 
>>> fear I will need to sell the bike. I could replace the drops with upright 
>>> bars, but I already have the Cheviot and specifically wanted a drop-bar 
>>> endurance/all-roadish bike. 
>>>
>>> I get the need to raise the bars, but I don't want a situation where the 
>>> bars are 5" above the saddle. 
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on other ways to get this bike to fit better?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> --Eitan (in Los Angeles)
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Joe Bernard]

I agree about the name, I'm mystified that they dropped Gus Boots-Willsen. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:48:43 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I agree with Richard. Although both would serve your needs, if there is 
> any chance you’ll ride some singletrack, I’d wholeheartedly get the suze. 
> 2.6” tires with that long wheelbase is a riot. 
> Caveat is I only have a 6 mile round trip commute. And grocery is 6 mile 
> trip. So any bike works. If your commute is much longer, I’d say neither 
> bike would be great. Just get a cheap Trek 420 for the commutes. 
> The only thing I don’t like about Susie is the name. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 3:16:03 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Others here can no doubt offer more experienced opinions but, I would get 
>> the Susie and an extra set of wheels. One with 2.5”-2.6” knobbies (Honcho, 
>> Ehline) for singletrack or other off road stuff (backpacking), and the 
>> other with 2.0” - 2.25 smoothish tires for more roadish use. Susie is such 
>> a versatile platform. This of course is my perspective only & reflects my 
>> preference for off road excursions.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2024, at 4:23 PM, Brian Thomas  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an Appaloosa 
>> later this year. Help me commit!
>>
>> I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but 
>> fun rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides 
>> plus occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. 
>> The Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which would 
>> be pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
>> technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 
>>
>> What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, but 
>> I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. I'm 
>> likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
>> clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
>> really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
>> fender?).
>>
>> All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or owned 
>> both.
>>
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>> 
>> .
>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Joe Bernard]

*based on I couldn't even say* TYPOS! 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:36:45 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had an Appaloosa for a while and a Susie for not very long, didn't ride 
> either on dirt. I liked the Susie better based on I couldn't even eat, it 
> was just more interesting to me.* I'm sure this isn't very helpful! 
>
> *I wish I'd kept the Susie, it was sold during a bunch of drama I won't 
> bore you with. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:23:50 PM UTC-8 BrianT wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an Appaloosa 
>> later this year. Help me commit!
>>
>> I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but 
>> fun rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides 
>> plus occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. 
>> The Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which would 
>> be pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
>> technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 
>>
>> What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, but 
>> I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. I'm 
>> likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
>> clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
>> really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
>> fender?).
>>
>> All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or owned 
>> both.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie / Appaloosa indecision

[Joe Bernard]

I had an Appaloosa for a while and a Susie for not very long, didn't ride 
either on dirt. I liked the Susie better based on I couldn't even eat, it 
was just more interesting to me.* I'm sure this isn't very helpful! 

*I wish I'd kept the Susie, it was sold during a bunch of drama I won't 
bore you with. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 1:23:50 PM UTC-8 BrianT wrote:

> Hey Everyone. I'm seriously torn between a lugged Susie and an Appaloosa 
> later this year. Help me commit!
>
> I commute and run errands (no question that's most of my mileage), but fun 
> rides are always in seek of trails with pavement as needed: day rides plus 
> occasional camping. I think each bike is overkill in a different way. The 
> Appaloosa is capable of longer distances and heavier loads, which would be 
> pretty rare for me. The bigger tires on the Susie would open up more 
> technical singletrack, which would be similarly rare. 
>
> What to do? I like the idea of the Appaloosa's more traditional look, but 
> I like the Susie's higher handlebars and increased crotch clearance. I'm 
> likely to want fenders, so I may end up not using the Susie's tire 
> clearance to full advantage (sidebar: what's the biggest tire that will 
> really fit under a B65? B69? Anyone know of another decent-looking jumbo 
> fender?).
>
> All opinions welcome, with special thanks to anyone who's ridden or owned 
> both.
>

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[RBW] Re: Best practice with Sunrace Thumbshifters

[Joe Bernard]

Andrew, 

I have one each SunRace shifter and Silver2 to compare. The barrels appear 
to be the same diameter but the SunRace is notably further from the bar, 
and the lever is a smidge longer. Both distance issues are going to create 
the sensation that she's reaching further and pulling the lever through a 
longer arc than the Silver. Does this mean the Silver shifter is more like 
the one that was on her bike? I don't know but my guess..yes!*

*Assuming we're talking friction shifters here. I'm no help if she's using 
index.  

Joe Bernard 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 9:06:00 AM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:

> Brief background, my wife's 1995 B'Stone X0-5 thumb shifters died after a 
> mild crash. I replaced them with the beautiful Sunrace thumbies from the 
> mothership website. Now she complains...
>
> She has Dove bars (like Albatross but more straight-back at the grips) and 
> cork grips, and she was used to the old shifters being closer to her hands 
> than I can get the Sunracers, when mounted in the "outer" position. She 
> tried them mounted as "inner" shifters but couldn't get the knack of using 
> thumbs to press down and finger to left back up. I also think the shifters 
> are further away from the bar than she was used to, and have a longer swing.
>
> When mounted outboard, is there a trick to get less cable pulled so the 
> swing of the shifter is a shorter arc? Maybe that's all about mechanical 
> advantage at the derailer. I'm wondering if anyone else has worked through 
> all the permutations of the "outsider" mounting to find a best way.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

[Joe Bernard]

1. I think a level B17 is a mistake, you end up with the rear portion 
sloping down and forcing your wrists into the bars. My B17s (it's all I 
ride) start with the rear perfectly flat and the nose up. It will feel 
awkward at first but give it a few miles before deciding it's too 
front-high. 

2. Padded shorts always made me miserable, then one day I read a Grant 
article saying that added material in saddle and/or shorts contributes to 
friction which increases pain. I ditched the padding and my B17 saddles 
basically disappear when riding, I simply don't think about them. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 7:27:00 PM UTC-8 Jay wrote:

> Next week I'll be throwing a leg over a Roadini for the first time (I 
> posted a couple weeks ago about the frame I ordered) and I thought I was 
> set on my saddle, but decided yesterday I need to try something very 
> different.  
>
> A little bit of background before I get to my question...
>
> When I started cycling around 20 years ago I had Brooks B17 on my road 
> bike (custom geometry, not too aggressive) and a Masi commuter bike.  It 
> was a while ago so I can't recall what I liked about them, and why I 
> eventually stopped using them, but I do recall one memory...I always used 
> padded bib shorts (still do) and one day in the winter I went for a 2hr 
> ride and only realized when I got home that I just had on my underwear and 
> tights.  In at least that way for me at that time, the saddle was that 
> comfortable.
>
> Since that time I've used a lot of plastic saddles from Fizik, Selle 
> Italia and the latest is a Prologo (147mm wide, with a bit of padding).  I 
> used this saddle on two bikes the last 4 months and it was a noticeable 
> improvement over the Selle Italia saddles I was using previously.  I 
> thought this is what I would use on the Roadini (and still may, in the long 
> run).  But when I use it on my Salsa Fargo (bar level with saddle) and ride 
> for 2+ hours, I get friction and general discomfort.  And can I ride 
> without padded bib shorts?  Heck no, I can't even go around my block 
> without bibs when using this saddle.
>
> To get to my point, I ordered a B17 in Honey to try out on my Roadini. 
>  I'm getting it tomorrow and I'm going to try it on my Fargo (nice weather 
> for next little while).  I know that overall I need to be patient, only 
> change one thing at a time, and only small adjustments.
>
> My thinking, where I wanted to get your input, is that I would be set up 
> the bike so saddle and bars are level, and will likely start with the 
> saddle level (from what I recall this will have the rear of the saddle 
> where my sit bones are located, pointed down a bit, but that's how my 
> Prologo is today and I can ride in the drops and take my hands off and I'm 
> balanced...so I think I'll start there and see how it goes).
>
> Any other words of wisdom that I can consider?  Thanks in advance.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bosco for small bikes

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah the second one has never made sense. It'll get your bars up high on a 
bike with a tiny headtube but said bike will also have a short toptube. 

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:12:32 PM UTC-8 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone
>
> The rivbike page for the Bosco handlebars mentions this -
>
> "Here’s its best use:
> - Longish top tube bikes and upright riding. Mountain bike conversions to 
> supa-comfee cruisers.
> - Making too-small bikes fit and feel better."
>
> I think I understand the first use - since the handlebar reaches far back 
> it would make long reach bikes easier to fit. How do you make sense of the 
> second one? Wouldn't it make the small bikes feel smaller? Or perhaps the 
> reference is to the handlebars rise and not reach?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Peter
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