[RBW] Price drop: NOS Heron Road, 60cm, $800-->$700

[Tom Goodmann]

Never-built 60 cm Heron Road frame and fork only (no headset; no bottom 
bracket). Designed by Grant at Rivendell as a collaboration with Rona 
Components, then owned by Ted Durant; built at Waterford. This beautiful 
blue-green road frame bears serial number B00055, and was built in February 
2000 with Reynolds 531 tubing. (For further information, all of the 
original Heron web pages are still accessible: 
http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html). 
Built for then-available short reach brakes, 28mm tires & fenders; 30mm 
tires will also fit, depending on actual dimensions and rims. (As Jan Heine 
has said, plushness is more significant than width). For wider tires, some 
owners have happily converted these to 650b using long reach brakes that 
were not available when this was made.  
  The frame bears only the slightest mark on the inside of one rear 
dropout, probably a sign of having been fitted with a wheel at some point; 
it is otherwise pristine with all decals and the Heron head badge in 
perfect condition. $700, plus shipping and insurance. 
  I'd really like to move this along and am only selling because I am 
moving . . . and a local friend has offered me a custom Riv road frame. So, 
n-1; n+1 = 0.
Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/

Your questions are welcome; thanks for reading.  

Tom 

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[RBW] Re: Hello from Ireland

[Tom Goodmann]

Welcome, Nick!  Very beautiful country in these views; please do share your 
rides here. I understand it rarely rains? :)

Tom
(in Miami until the rainy season)

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:27:34 AM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
> Nick,
>
> I add my welcome to the group 
> greetings.
>
> From what I understand I have ancestral connections generations back
> to Scotland and Ireland.
>
> I've always wanted to visit.
>
> I'll enjoy any ride accounts and pictures you share.
>
> Paul in Dallas,TX
> box_liam on Instagram 
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: NOS Heron Road frame & fork, 60 cm

[Tom Goodmann]

(Reposting as potential sale was not completed). I'm downsizing ahead of an 
impending move, and selling a never-built 60 cm Heron Road frame and fork 
only (no headset; no bottom bracket). As all of you will know, the bike was 
designed 
by Grant Petersen at Rivendell, and built by Waterford as a collaboration 
with Rona Components, then owned by Ted Durant. The beautiful blue-green 
road frame bears serial number B00055, and was built in February 2000 with 
Reynolds 531 tubing. (For further information, all of the original Heron 
web pages may be found on the Internet). 
  The frame bears only the slightest mark on the inside of one rear 
dropout, probably a sign of having been fitted with a wheel at some point; 
it is otherwise pristine with all decals and the Heron head badge in 
perfect condition. $800, plus shipping and insurance (I'll use a smaller 
than full-size bike box). Questions welcome; thanks for reading.  Tom 
Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/

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[RBW] Re: FS: NOS Heron Road frame & fork, 60cm, $800

[Tom Goodmann]

The frame and fork are sold, pending payment. Thanks to all those who have 
written with interest.

Tom

On Wednesday, March 27, 2024 at 9:53:04 PM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

>   As part of downsizing ahead of an impending move, I am selling a 
> never-built 60 cm Heron Road frame and fork only (no headset; no bottom 
> bracket). As all of you will know, the bike was designed by Grant 
> Petersen at Rivendell, and built by Waterford as a collaboration with Rona 
> Components, then owned by Ted Durant. The beautiful blue-green road frame 
> bears serial number B00055, and was built in February 2000 with Reynolds 
> 531 tubing. (For further information, all of the original Heron web pages 
> may be found on the Internet). 
>   The frame bears only the slightest mark on the inside of one rear 
> dropout, probably a sign of having been fitted with a wheel at some point; 
> it is otherwise pristine with all decals and the Heron head badge in 
> perfect condition. $800, plus shipping and insurance (I'll use a frame box 
> instead of a full-size bike box). Questions welcome!  Tom 
> Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/
>

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[RBW] FS: NOS Heron Road frame & fork, 60cm, $800

[Tom Goodmann]

  As part of downsizing ahead of an impending move, I am selling a 
never-built 60 cm Heron Road frame and fork only (no headset; no bottom 
bracket). As all of you will know, the bike was designed by Grant Petersen 
at Rivendell, and built by Waterford as a collaboration with Rona 
Components, then owned by Ted Durant. The beautiful blue-green road frame 
bears serial number B00055, and was built in February 2000 with Reynolds 
531 tubing. (For further information, all of the original Heron web pages 
may be found on the Internet). 
  The frame bears only the slightest mark on the inside of one rear 
dropout, probably a sign of having been fitted with a wheel at some point; 
it is otherwise pristine with all decals and the Heron head badge in 
perfect condition. $800, plus shipping and insurance (I'll use a frame box 
instead of a full-size bike box). Questions welcome!  Tom 
Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/

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Re: [RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Tom Goodmann]

Echoing Eric: so good to see Roman, James, and Will--and three beautiful 
bikes (all of which sold, I believe)--as well as meeting Roberta, Leah, 
Pam, Tom, Patty, Paul, Rick (riding a Rom with 38s!) and others at PBE. 
Multiple Atlantises and Platys amid the throngs. A very nice event in every 
respect; lots of group rides, including Saturday night to Keystone Bicycle 
Company for beer and pretzels, our group led by Pam. And seeing the work of 
advocates, of component makers, and the bikes of fine builders.  Very good 
crowds, too, on both days. I'm glad I went.  Thanks, Rivfolk!

Tom

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 9:50:54 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh and Bill too! Bill, I saw you heading to the expo on Sunday morning 
> while I was having a coffee at Habitat, didn't want to shout at you though. 
> Nice Atlantis!
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 9:50:05 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> I had a nice visit at PBE. It was great to meet Pam, Leah, Roberta and 
>> Tim from here on the board! 
>>
>> Thanks to Tim for the Saturday night convoy to Keystone, riding bikes in 
>> the woods with a train of dynamos is really something. 
>>
>> Here's one with the fellas from Riv and Paul R. 
>>
>> [image: 240313 PBE 06.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> How about an informal meet at the Riv booth right after the show opens?  
>>>
>>> I'll be sporting a black Green Guru backpack (made with inner tubes) 
>>> with a Riv triangle.  I have white hair.
>>>
>>> I hope to see old friends and meet new ones!
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 10:11:09 PM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There’s more where that came from, I can send them more easily via 
 text. This is more or less its current configuration[image: IMG_0031]

 On Mar 9, 2024, at 10:05 PM, Bryce Lackey  wrote:

 

 <00m0m_3DD3lNnQboh_1320MM_600x450.jpg>
 XL Rivendell Sam Hillborne Frameset W Extras - bicycles - by owner - 
 bike sale - craigslist 
 
 philadelphia.craigslist.org 
 

 

 Here’s the ad. A couple pictures demonstrating the frame condition and 
 one of it all built up. 

 On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:18 PM, 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 I know a guy who would love that . . . not me.  Do you have pics or a 
 link to the CL ad?

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 8:30:46 AM UTC-5 brycel...@gmail.com wrote:

> For anyone extra tall coming in from out of town, I have a 62cm Sam 
> listed as a frameset w crank and seat post on CL here in Philly. If you 
> want to make a deal, I am open to offers and have all the fixings for a 
> complete build. I'll be around doing some of the local rides as well as 
> the 
> Keystone afterparty. 
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 1:58:21 PM UTC-5 benjamin@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ll see you all there! I’ve got to work Saturday but I’ll make it 
>> out to the Expo on Sunday and Keystone’s partay Saturday night. My 
>> three-year-old has developed a distinct preference for the Surly Cross 
>> Check over the Atlantis and Clem but whatever the case we’ll roll up on 
>> two 
>> wheels. 
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 5:22 PM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>>
>>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>>
>>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but 
>>> will be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  
>>> If 
>>> anyone needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>>
>>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>>
>>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
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[RBW] FS: 1994 Bridgestone RB-T, size 59; $500 OBO, plus shipping & insurance

[Tom Goodmann]

(With apologies for cross-posting from the iBOB list).  
Selling my1994 Bridgestone RB-T. This one is in very good shape, mostly 
original, and still a pleasure to ride. Shimano RX100 crank and triple 
rings, RX100 front and rear derailleurs, Shimano bar end shifters, Sakae 
0-degree/90-degree stem. Comes with Panaracer Pasela 32s and a worn but 
serviceable WTB saddle; MKS Sylvan pedals.  The original SR CTB handlebars 
are sleeved, and were slipping inside the sleeve, so I replaced 
them--thanks to a generous member of the iBOB list--with another set of the 
same bars to keep the bike close to original. (The original white bar tape 
went when I changed the bars; given personal cockpit preferences, I'll 
leave them unwrapped, unless requested otherwise). There is a slight dimple 
about halfway along the lefthand side of the top tube from a previous 
owner, but no paint loss there. Otherwise, the bike is in very good 
condition, including nearly all of the decals; even the original shop decal 
is intact. It weighs 25.4 lbs as built.

$500 OBO for the complete bike, plus shipping & insurance to be paid by the 
buyer. I will be sure to pack with great care. Photos here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/

Thanks,

Tom 
Miami, FL 

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[RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[Tom Goodmann]

This will be my first time at PBE (I missed all of the years of NAHBS). 
Regrettably coming from Miami without a bike, but hoping to rent one for at 
least one of the rides, and also volunteering for a shift at the show.  
Happy to meet up with Rivfolk! (Do we need a secret sign???)

Tom (who is looking for a bike-friendly, fly-fishing-friendly new home 
somewhere out there)

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 7:02:06 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> It's such a great event, I'm sad work got in the way and I cannot attend 
> his year. 
>
> Be sure to talk to all the vendors you have patronized in the past or 
> quietly objectify. It's a fine collection of people who are about bicycles 
> that trade shows of the past weren't. The accessibility and warmth of so 
> many of these folks, even big names, will surprise you. 
>
> Take and post lots of pictures!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2024 at 5:22:03 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> https://phillybikeexpo.com/
>>
>> Lots of things to do--the expo, rides, parties, coffee and meet ups.
>>
>> I'm going.  Who else?  I'm within walking distance to the expo (but will 
>> be riding my Betty Foy there, because, well..., I should ride).  If anyone 
>> needs any local assistance, please reach out via DM.  
>>
>> There is free bike valet parking by Neighborhood Bike works, and 
>> donations accepted.  It's a great way to fund the community bike center.
>>
>> I hope to meet or see again lots of us happy Riv riders.
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] Has anyone else tried the new Riv seat?

[Tom Goodmann]

Riv shipment just delivered, including the new seat, which I mounted right 
away for a neighborhood spin.  I find it immediately comfortable and am 
eager to try it on a longer ride; first impressions are very positive.  
Have any of you ridden it yet?

Now for that new derailer/derailleur!

Tom
Miami, FL, where it is currently 82ºF

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[RBW] Just mounted the new Riv seat+++

[Tom Goodmann]

Riv shipment just delivered, including the new seat, which I mounted right 
away for a neighborhood spin.  I find it immediately comfortable and am 
eager to try it on a longer ride; first impressions are very positive.  

Now for that new derailer/derailleur!

Tom
Miami, FL, where it is currently 82ºF

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[RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Tom Goodmann]

I empathize, Leah. Not being one for beausage in any area of life, I am 
okay with wear and character on boots, but not with chain grease on pants.  
You might try various ankle straps; those with velcro seem to have limited 
effectiveness, as your experience suggest, and wear out over time. But 
there are many others out there that may be more effective, either with an 
extended strap mechanism or with a clip design (as seen in old British 
films).  I'm sure you can find a design that will have you rockin' the 90s 
grease-free!

Tom (who commuted to campus by bike for years, mostly grease-free)

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:13:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where 
> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the 
> bike?
>
> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my 
> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, 
> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you 
> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. 
> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a 
> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. 
>
> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the era 
> of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall riding 
> boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried about 
> getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. 
>
> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I 
> really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting 
> them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack 
> for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work 
> better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, 
> well…here’s a photo. 
>
> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to 
> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, 
> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. 
> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going 
> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>
> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will mark 
> up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move the 
> pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me that 
> these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the damage 
> to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and sneakers 
> year-round.
>
> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do 
> you wear what you want? Do you even care? 
>
> Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While I’m 
> not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might feel 
> differently if the pants were a lighter color. 
>
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Book Recommendation: The United States of Adventure

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, Leah! I've not read this one, but will do, and recommend her *Llama 
Drama *as well.

Tom

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 1:02:19 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Thank you for this recommendation, Leah!  After reading the short glimpse 
> of the book on Amazon, Ann McNuff looks to be a very talented and 
> entertaining writer.  It's also nice to find a travel "adventure" book 
> written with a woman's perspective.  I'm ordering it!
>
> RivSisters!
> Joyce
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:06:34 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been sad about our temperamental weather here in southwest Michigan. 
>> After a perfectly sublime week of 70-something temps that set off our 
>> tulips and daffodils and flowering trees, we are back to drizzly weather 
>> topping out in the 40s. I’m freezing over here. I have an Apple Watch tan 
>> line but am back to wearing a parka. Make it make sense. 
>>
>> Anyway, if you can’t have your real adventures I suppose you can read 
>> about someone else’s. I stumbled across The United States of Adventure by 
>> Anna McNuff and have been reading as Anna, a British woman in the corporate 
>> world in her 20s, cycles her way through all 50 states. I will never cycle 
>> through all 50 states, but it is fun to peer into the life of someone who 
>> did.
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Adventure-life-changing-journey/dp/1914074033
>>
>> Enjoy.
>> Leah
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto quill adapter, 130mm

[Tom Goodmann]

What a good story, Garth!  I can remember that moment in time too--sorry
about Rush cancelling, though--including bike touring on those 100-degree
Midwest days on a Schwinn Le Tour.  That's a pretty area of Ohio you are in
now, yes, nice for motorcycling too.

Although Mom-and-Pops stores have been replaced by Dollar Generals, the
Driftless is still a beautiful area with a strong sense of itself as a
distinctive region, whatever maps demarcate as state lines, and that river
running through it.  There are active randonneuring chapters in WI and MN
and of course seasonal riding any day.  Might be home again!

Tom

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 9:53 AM Garth  wrote:

> Driftless ... did you say Driftless Tom ? !!!  I was just talking about
> this with my brother a few weeks ago. and what a treasure it is. I grew
> up in Rochester, MN and I regularly rode to Winona and back in the 80's.
> I'd also stay at hotels on the Wisconsin side and take day trips around by
> bike. Oh heck, I guess I did tours on both sides of the river too, so many
> good memories of those summers. A buddy and I planned a whole tour around a
> Rush concert in LaCrosse only to find out it was cancelled when we got
> there.  laughing heartily   I can hear his tape recorder belting
> out Billy Idol's. "White Wedding" and "Hot in the City Tonight" and
> it was hot  like 100 and humid as humid can be there in the summer. The
> most memorable bottle of Gatorade I ever had was at a Mom and Pop shop
> outside of Rushford, I can still feel that chilly glass bottle in my hand
> and oh what a refresher it was. Oh how I love me some Midwest sensibilities
> indeed !
>
> While I live in Ohio now, it has those same sensibilities. I live in my
> driftless-like area along the Ohio River which is very much like the
> Mississippi River valley but on a smaller scale, so it's more easily
> accessible from my house.
>
> The beauty in telling stories is in the speaking, animating them ;)
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 6:47:39 AM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> Thank you, both. I tried that one branded as Soma, Wes, and it was too
>> tall; I'll get hold of Ben's Cycle and confirm things, Garth.
>>
>> I agree with your thumbs up for Midwestern sensibilities; I'm thinking
>> seriously about returning to the Driftless area for all the riding and more
>> that it offers.
>>
>> Tom
>> Miami
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 5:09:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Ben's Cycle in Milwaukee is always a go-to place to find Nitto things,
>>> and these stem adapters are no different. The folly of looking for these
>>> adapters is that they go by many different names and, the model numbers get
>>> mixed up, and the photos shown are often of a different variation. So of
>>> course Ben's has them, and the photo isn't the specific model, so right on
>>> que !  The description is correct however. Do email them to confirm, as
>>> they are responsive to emails, it's often Drew , as I recall. Their price
>>> includes complimentary shipping over $49. I really like their business, and
>>> that it's a real classic bike shop, and it's Wisconsin and I love me some
>>> Midwest sensibilities !
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-mt-stem-column-adaptor--1--threaded-fork-to-1-18--threadless-stem-stem_column_adaptor_nitto_3488_sm1063/p#tabs
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto quill adapter, 130mm

[Tom Goodmann]

Thank you, both. I tried that one branded as Soma, Wes, and it was too 
tall; I'll get hold of Ben's Cycle and confirm things, Garth. 

I agree with your thumbs up for Midwestern sensibilities; I'm thinking 
seriously about returning to the Driftless area for all the riding and more 
that it offers.

Tom 
Miami 

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 5:09:23 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Ben's Cycle in Milwaukee is always a go-to place to find Nitto things, and 
> these stem adapters are no different. The folly of looking for these 
> adapters is that they go by many different names and, the model numbers get 
> mixed up, and the photos shown are often of a different variation. So of 
> course Ben's has them, and the photo isn't the specific model, so right on 
> que !  The description is correct however. Do email them to confirm, as 
> they are responsive to emails, it's often Drew , as I recall. Their price 
> includes complimentary shipping over $49. I really like their business, and 
> that it's a real classic bike shop, and it's Wisconsin and I love me some 
> Midwest sensibilities ! 
>
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-mt-stem-column-adaptor--1--threaded-fork-to-1-18--threadless-stem-stem_column_adaptor_nitto_3488_sm1063/p#tabs
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto quill adapter, 130mm

[Tom Goodmann]

Though likely scarce as a horn shed from a unicorn, I wonder whether anyone 
might have one of these and be willing to part with 
it. https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-mtc-quill-for-threadless-stem 

I've been on the restock notification list for Riv, understanding the wait 
for many things from Nitto.

Thanks for any leads!  

Tom 

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[RBW] Re: Pamela Murray: Bike Hero

[Tom Goodmann]

This video is the best!  It's true what you say, Pam: you're always smiling 
'cause you're always on your bike.  And inspiring too--as in, "What could I 
be doing in my own community?"

Here is further recent acknowledgment of 
Pam: 
https://www.planetbike.com/blog/meet-our-winter-super-commuter-pamela-murray-/

Tom
(soon vacating the subtropics)

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 1:07:34 AM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I've watched the video twice and will probably watch it a third time at 
> some point. Even though I ride almost everyday as well, I always learn 
> something or at least gain fresh perspective from someone else who does as 
> well - and Pam's insights run especially deep as someone who's put 
> themselves in other people's shoes a lot for education purposes!  Plus, I 
> am always impressed by the "carry shit olympics" and 1001 ways to use the 
> Irish strap. 
>
> I have said it many times, to many people, but there is no Riv I find more 
> inspiring than that Betty Foy, too! It's ironic, for sure, that I've spent 
> so much money (that should be in my retirement savings) on an assortment of 
> well-appointed bikes but deep down what I really appreciate is a 
> heavily-used and immensely practical bike - and Pam's Betty is at the top 
> of the podium for me.  
>
> I ride about 4000 miles per year, give or take, but since I'm splitting 
> that mileage across a handful of bikes (and usually a one- or two-bike 
> rotation each year) the highest mileage bike I have is the Hillborne at 
> ~5300 miles or 8400 km.  The Bombadil is runner up at ~4000 miles, and 
> these are the highest numbers I've ever put on a bike except for probably 
> my teenage Marin 90's MTB that I rode every day for ten years well before 
> the likes of Strava.  
>
> On Wednesday, 5 April 2023 at 22:30:28 UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Pam, you rock!  That's just the most awesome thing at a time when people 
>> like you and events like this are needed so badly.  Hero is right.   Leah, 
>> thanks for posting this - you rock too.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 8:34:40 PM UTC-6 jan.ot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very inspiring indeed. Congratulations Pam!
>>>
>>> Jan
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Pamela Murray: Bike Hero

[Tom Goodmann]

Congratulations, Pam! It's a very enjoyable story to watch.  

Tom (in Miami, a flat environment that could be transformed into a cycling 
city!)

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:59:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> So cool. Being from Georgia, I must say I love and appreciate Pam's 
> accent. She makes good points about riding on roads being relatively safe 
> if you learn to do so properly. The health benefits outweigh the risks I 
> believe you said and I concur.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:08:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Our very own RivSister Pam Murray was recently featured as a local bike 
>> hero in Charlotte, NC. The footage is just beautifully captured, displaying 
>> sweeping drone views of the city as well as up close views of Pam’s beloved 
>> Rivendell Betty Foy as well as the legend herself.
>>
>> Pam’s Rivendell was purchased in 2011 and she has ridden it nearly every 
>> day since, racking up an impressive 75,000 miles or so. She will be the 
>> first and likely only Rivster to ride her steel frame into dust.
>>
>> Please enjoy and show her some much-deserved recognition!
>> RivSister Leah
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzQ8Z4RjZkQ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Heron Rando-55cm

[Tom Goodmann]

Hi Joe,

If you contact Greg Parker, he can get you a frame; the Sportifs are classy
and classic-looking. While they are not designed for this w-i-d-e tire
moment, they sure look like wonderful road bike frames that will
accommodate tires suitable for randonneuring.  It'd be great to see them
built up and as bare frames on the Heron web pages!

Tom

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 1:29 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Do you know if this is a Ted Durant or Todd Kuzma Heron? The site you
> linked to discusses a Sportif model supposedly showing up in 2017 (third
> owner of the Heron company) but I'm not clear if they ever got going.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 12:09:48 PM UTC-7 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> As I'm sure everyone knows, the Heron geo information is still available,
>> though not standover figures: http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html.
>>  The geometry for the Heron Randonneur--very few of them made, as you say,
>> Mike--is not so different from the Touring or Road models in terms of
>> rake.  If this one were a 59 or 61 . . . !
>>
>> Greg Parker has kindly shared with me that the Sportif has more of a
>> lower-mid trail configuration, with standard diameter tubing, and a level
>> TT.
>>
>> Tom in Miami (temporarily in Colorado)
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 12:03:55 PM UTC-6 mike goldman wrote:
>>
>>> joel,
>>>
>>> they didnt make herons very long and only a handful of the Randos so i
>>> dont think or know if geometry changed. you can email my buddy through
>>> craigslist for the standover
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Heron Rando-55cm

[Tom Goodmann]

As I'm sure everyone knows, the Heron geo information is still available, 
though not standover figures: http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html.  
 The geometry for the Heron Randonneur--very few of them made, as you say, 
Mike--is not so different from the Touring or Road models in terms of 
rake.  If this one were a 59 or 61 . . . !

Greg Parker has kindly shared with me that the Sportif has more of a 
lower-mid trail configuration, with standard diameter tubing, and a level 
TT.

Tom in Miami (temporarily in Colorado)

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> joel,
>
> they didnt make herons very long and only a handful of the Randos so i 
> dont think or know if geometry changed. you can email my buddy through 
> craigslist for the standover
>
> mike
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Re: [RBW] Hand-Wringing: Kickstand Edition

[Tom Goodmann]

RBW List to the rescue! So nice! 

Tom in Miami

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 9:45:48 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> I am sorry to hear of your misgivings over your bicycle parts. 
>
> If you are still not happy with your new kickstand, I would be more than 
> happy to send you my single kickstand that came stock with my Clem Smith 
> Jr. "L" bike for no cost to you. I have not intentions of using it. I have 
> a double footed-Pletscher kickstand.
>
> I will take a picture(s) of it and send them to you, if are interested.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 6:31:56 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, here is the new Rivendell rear rack, for those of you wondering how 
>> it would mount. It clears the fender light, which is the problem I had with 
>> the Nitto medium Big Back Rack.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2023, at 9:28 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> New stand:
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You’ll forgive me for this unusual thread, I know you will. You will be 
>> compassionate to your RivSister who is yearning for spring after a Michigan 
>> winter, and if she can’t ride the bikes she will talk about the bikes. 
>>
>> I love my Rivendells. I used to hate changing anything about them - if I 
>> wore something out like brake pads or tires - I would sometimes weep about 
>> it in the parking lot of the bike shop. “It will never be the SAME!” I’d 
>> think. These poor coping skills came after wearing my Betty Foy tires to 
>> threads. The mechanic told me he’d have to get me something else for tires 
>> because he didn’t have that kind. Then he called me and told my I’d 
>> actually need a whole new WHEEL because my rim was cracked. He explained he 
>> would have to build one. After a week in that shop, my Betty was returned 
>> to me. I got a flat on my first ride. I went howling back to the shop - it 
>> was something about rim tape and it was an easy fix. But I had developed a 
>> distrust and a distaste for messing with essentials on my bikes. 
>>
>> I’ve mostly gotten over this. Especially now that I know about upgrades 
>> and how happy they can make you. But some things just shouldn’t need to be 
>> upgraded. Some things are so familiar that when they go missing or get 
>> replaced it’s intolerable.
>>
>> Kickstands.
>>
>> My Greenfield kickstand on the raspberry Platy inexplicably snapped in 
>> the back of my van en route to the Philly Bike Expo. A local shop replaced 
>> that kickstand with the same model (joy and rapture!) but cut it a hair too 
>> short. Was it going to tip over? No. BUT IT WASN’T THE SAME, I wailed in my 
>> head. I didn’t like the new lean it gave the bike. I wanted things the way 
>> they used to be. I decided I would spring for yet another kickstand and 
>> hope it would be right.
>>
>> I took my Platy to my local shop and explained about the kickstand. I 
>> also brought them one of Rivendell’s new shiny rear racks to be fit to my 
>> bike. I may take that bike on a RivSister Tour this summer and needed a 
>> heavy-duty rack (not the saddlebag support I have presently). The mechanic 
>> thought he knew what I wanted and ordered me a new kickstand that he 
>> thought would be EVEN BETTER. He said this in email, so I did not get a 
>> vote. I picked up the bike today. The rear rack was expertly fitted. The 
>> kickstand…I know he meant well, but…
>>
>> But it wasn’t the SAME. 
>>
>> It’s this foreign thing on my bike. Chunky and stout. It’s a Portland 
>> Design Works stand; this one, I think: 
>> https://ridepdw.com/products/power-stance-kickstand
>>
>> I haven’t gotten used to it. It’s been 4 hours. I don’t know if I can get 
>> used to it. This is my club ride bike and that kickstand is…a lot. The rack 
>> will get switched back - I just wanted the new one ready for plug and play 
>> for a summer tour. But what should I do about that kickstand? 
>>
>> I could buy the one that is on my mermaid Platy. I think I want to be 
>> done with the kickstands that you have to cut to size. I’m liking that this 
>> one is adjustable. 
>>
>> Is it as horrible as I think? I think it’s worse in real life than the 
>> photos show. Also, it’s dark and I had to alter these photos a lot so you 
>> could see well enough. Colors will be distorted. Anyway, I’m sending pics 
>> in the following post…
>>
>> Who will help their RivSister? Who can understand her peculiar brand of 
>> angst? Who has words of wisdom, or even constructive criticism? Who else is 
>> nutty about small things that barely matter? Who has been crying in bike 
>> shop parking lots and hand-wringing in the garage, staring at these 
>> foreign, new, transplanted parts?
>>
>> Pics forthcoming…
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Tom Goodmann]

Excellent post, Leah, and the thread it has inspired; kudos to your LBS and 
mechanic too. I can only do a few things at this point, but mean to change 
that by signing up for a class at the United Bicycle Institute in Oregon 
sometime in the next year, once I step off the work wheel here in May.  
Like many, I expect, I've always found even modest mechanical, plumbing, 
household, or electrical fixes satisfying, especially since I'm at a screen 
for so much of every day.

Tom in Miami

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 9:31:38 AM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Yes, RJ the Bike Guy is great.  Especially when he’s making his own tools, 
> like the homemade bottom bracket thread chaser, the homemade headset press… 
> it takes some of the mystery out of these processes.  
>
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yep, three cheers for not underestimating your abilities ! 
>
> In regards to wheel stuff, watch Jim Langley's video on wheel building, 
> it's an hour, and you can watch it in parts of course. He has a rather 
> calming way of showing you how he does it, and he's encouraging. Even if 
> you have no confidence or desire to touch a wheel, at least watch it to see 
> that it's not so mysterious. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUqul03hbZ8
> And in print from his website. 
> https://jimlangley.net/wrench/wheelbuildfull.html
>
> I have to say for an independent bike mechanic I always find "RJ The Bike 
> Guy" on YT to have good videos for how to adjust/overhaul anything bike 
> related. 
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[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Tom Goodmann]

What a good story of bicycle and bicyclist!  Thank you for including a 
great set of photos; as everyone has said, the restoration is beautiful, 
offering testimony too to Waterford as a do-it-all shop.  

One of the many things I appreciate about bicycles is the long lives of 
multiple use and pleasure they have--and in this case, with one owner only!

Tom
In Miami, where the riding weather is perfect . . . for now

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:42:37 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Peter, beautiful job, great color.  I hope you enjoy the bike for many 
> more years.  
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:36:36 AM UTC-5 peter@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>
>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>
>> Here it is now:
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>
>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>
>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of configurations:  
>> as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points I added indexed 
>> Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear friction 
>> derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 single 
>> Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older racing 
>> bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now pretty 
>> much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>
>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>> seat for me.
>>
>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place to 
>> share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>
>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>
>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: English subtitles for Blue Lug's video

[Tom Goodmann]

Thank you so much, Masa! Watching this (along with "Cycle Around Japan" 
episodes) makes me want to go there and ride a great Japanese bike around 
the islands.

Tom

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> This is great! 
>
> I have watched several Blue Lug videos in Japanese, and while soothing and 
> delightful, I am always grateful for those that are subtitled.
>
> Here’s to Masa, and bilingual bicycling! 
> k.
>
> On Feb 3, 2023, at 5:10 AM, J  wrote:
>
> Great work on the Subtitles!
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:
>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> This is my first post of 2023, I hope you are having good rides!
>>
>> Last month I happened to have an opportunity to make subtitles for Blue 
>> Lug’s YouTube channel and now the “Rivendell Chart” video is English 
>> subtitled!
>>
>> Let me tell you how it happened. First of all, When I finished watching 
>> the video I felt that “oh this video should be shared with English speaking 
>> Rivendell fans(means this "RBW Owners Bunch) too” so I started translating 
>> the video briefly.
>>
>> Then I found someone commented that “Subtitles please!” and Blue Lug 
>> replied “we’d love to but at the moment we are too busy so we need a help”. 
>> I thought that “why don’t I do that?”
>>
>> It took me a week to complete subtitling between my work, playing with my 
>> baby, feeding my baby, putting my baby to sleep, sleeping with my baby, 
>> chatting with my wife and commuting by my Platypus.
>>
>> It was a really fun work to do related to not only the things I’m 
>> passionate about which are languages and bicycles but also favourite people 
>> who are Rivendell and Blue Lug!
>>
>> I would be very happy that if I could be a help for Rivendell and Blue 
>> Lug. Ultimately I hope people who watch the subtitled video will find how 
>> Rivendell bicycles are amazing even better than before, that would be 
>> amazing.
>>
>> Link to the video↓
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>>
>> Masa
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Tom Goodmann]

Congratulations, Brian!  And thanks for sharing this information.  

--Tom

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:31:31 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've 
> got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>
> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>
> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
> slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>
> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like 
> it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.
>
> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again 
> could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>
> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
> arrange shipping.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
>> here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
>> information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
>> Louis??) 
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried 
>>> to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
>>> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
>>> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
>>> Frank 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>>>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
>>>> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
>>>> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
>>>> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
>>>> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
>>>> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
>>>> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be 
>>>> able 
>>>> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>>>
>>>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
>>>> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
>>>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might 
>>>> as 
>>>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>>>
>>>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>>>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>>>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
>>>> the giveaway)
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/591659724221291/permalink/5766806640039881/>
>>>>  
>>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Tom Goodmann]

What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes 
here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate 
information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint 
Louis??) 
Tom

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:

> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried to 
> get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He 
> refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building 
> again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.
> Frank 
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
>> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds 
>> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they 
>> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that 
>> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. 
>> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
>> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able 
>> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>
>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
>> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as 
>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>
>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 
>> the giveaway)
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Back On A Platypus

[Tom Goodmann]

Nice set-up! The bike looks very much at home in its new setting. 
Congratulations on the new-to-you bike, and to both of you on a successful 
exchange.

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 6:58:06 PM UTC-5 Jared Wilson wrote:

> PHOTO 
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Unicorn pursuit . . . Heron Randonneur 59

[Tom Goodmann]

Looking into the history on this list, I see now that a 59 Heron Rando came 
and went on CL in April 2019--so the unicorn made at least one appearance!

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:04:18 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Thanks, Joe!  Few Rivs appear here on the East Coast, at least as far as 
> I've seen. And in olden days, few B'stones were sold here, likewise; I've 
> only met one other person with one of those.  But, hey, the hunt is half 
> the fun, right?
>
> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:07:45 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Tom,
>>
>> I’m on a unicorn search too for a Rosco Bubbe MMM. Never give up! I’ll 
>> keep an eye out for you here in Los Angeles.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Joe
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Tom Goodmann  wrote:
>>
>> Most unlikely to find, I know; could probably make a 61 work too, 
>> although that size is no more likely to be found, I'm sure!  There's a 55 
>> on c'list, I see.
>>
>> Unicorns aside, I appreciate this bunch!  
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Unicorn pursuit . . . Heron Randonneur 59

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, Joe!  Few Rivs appear here on the East Coast, at least as far as 
I've seen. And in olden days, few B'stones were sold here, likewise; I've 
only met one other person with one of those.  But, hey, the hunt is half 
the fun, right?

On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 1:07:45 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Tom,
>
> I’m on a unicorn search too for a Rosco Bubbe MMM. Never give up! I’ll 
> keep an eye out for you here in Los Angeles.
>
> Good luck!
> Joe
>
> On Feb 5, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Tom Goodmann  wrote:
>
> Most unlikely to find, I know; could probably make a 61 work too, although 
> that size is no more likely to be found, I'm sure!  There's a 55 on c'list, 
> I see.
>
> Unicorns aside, I appreciate this bunch!  
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Unicorn pursuit . . . Heron Randonneur 59

[Tom Goodmann]

Most unlikely to find, I know; could probably make a 61 work too, although 
that size is no more likely to be found, I'm sure!  There's a 55 on c'list, 
I see.

Unicorns aside, I appreciate this bunch!  

Tom



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Tom Goodmann]

This thread is the best reading I've done this week, although it makes me 
want *all-the-Rivs*!

Tom (in Miami, where it's peak riding season)

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:37:13 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> I'll have to check out that thread.
>
> As a gray/orange Hunqapillar owner, I much prefer the darker shade of 
> orange shown in your photo here.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-6 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> To satisify my own itch, I did a series of photoshop mockups of the first 
>> diagatube Hunqapillars beginning Monday, April 5th at 7:59am. Two versions 
>> - one that is like the production version we ended up with, and another 
>> that had extended "mixte" like tubes that ended near the rear dropouts. 
>> (That one sort of became the Bombadil ultimately.) These first mockups led 
>> to more than 20 others, prompted by an email from Grant who saw the posts 
>> here and wanted to explore different color combos and other details. It all 
>> happened pretty fast. Here are mockups #1 and #2, and a couple others along 
>> the way. If you look closely at the front tire markings, you can see how I 
>> kept track of the various mockups. For the record, here is the thread where 
>> these were revealed and all of this is discussed (passionately!):  
>>
>> DiagaHunq Discussion 
>> 
>>
>> It was fun to be a small part of the history of this great bike. I owned 
>> one for a short time, but it was way too small for me, and had some damage. 
>> Looking back, those chainstays look ridiculously short! My current Clem H 
>> is all the Hunq I need now. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> [image: DiagHunq1.jpg][image: DiagHunq2.jpg]
>>
>> FYI - to facilitate the mockups I was using a pic that was posted on the 
>> Riv site somewhere - it was Jay's bike:
>>
>> [image: Jay_s_H.jpg]
>>
>> This one in orange and grey, with a cork lift handle idea. Not sure who's 
>> bike this was. 
>> [image: Hunqamarty 10.0.jpg]
>>
>> OK - this one was a stretch...
>> [image: Hunqamarty 8.0.jpg]
>>
>> And a black & grey version I kind of liked. with graphics on the mid-tube.
>> [image: Hunqamarty 21.0.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:15:22 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Michael - they switched from the dual TT style to the diaga-tube in 2010 
>>> on Bombadils :)  So the diaga is the newer versio
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB Heron Randonneur, 59 cm

[Tom Goodmann]

As posted over at ibob, this is a quixotic quest, I'm sure, but if anyone 
knows of a Heron Randonneur frame for sale, I'd be happy to learn (I see 
one out there on CL, but it is a 55 cm frame).  I think few of these frames 
were made, so the chances are slim.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

Sale pending for Heron Touring.  Thanks, all! Tom

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:30:00 AM UTC-5 Ray wrote:

> No worries, Tom. I was hoping that we'd be close enough to allow a test 
> ride. Unfortunately I'm still not confident enough in my size to take a 
> gamble but best of luck with the sale! Someone is going to get a great ride.
>
> Ray
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:22:31 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> HI, Ray; I should have included my location; I'll edit my post. I'm in 
>> Miami in zip code 33155.  As I said, a while back I posted this bike for a 
>> slightly higher price and there was no interest in it. Things change!  
>> Well, I'll be happy if it goes to an appreciative new owner, and this is 
>> the best place to find one.  Tom
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:36 AM Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> I have to agree with Chris. I was surprised you weren't asking more for 
>>> it. It looks lovely, and I have been considering adding an honest touring 
>>> bike to my stable (though I certainly don't need another bike). Do you mind 
>>> if I ask where you are located? 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Chris;
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate you writing--guess I should be asking for more for this 
>>>> bike!  I won't refuse a higher offer I've advertised it here before, and 
>>>> there was no interest at that time.  I've really enjoyed it, but am trying 
>>>> to clear out things in every category in life; I have a Sam (55 with the 
>>>> double TT, but I wish it were the next size up that has since been 
>>>> offered), a Legolas, and a Curt Goodrich prototype for the Saluki/650b 
>>>> (the 
>>>> One Bike to Rule Them All). You're right, the Heron Touring does 
>>>> everything 
>>>> well all day long; thanks for sharing that you fit 38s on it--very good to 
>>>> know.  Well, if it doesn't sell, I will take it out on the road again, and 
>>>> try it with a set of Barlow Pass tires!  Tom
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:51 AM Christopher Cote <
>>>> christophe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have that exact same bike, and even though I rarely ride on the road 
>>>>> any more, I wouldn't consider selling mine for twice that price! If 
>>>>> you're 
>>>>> considering a Sam Hillborne, this is 98% a functional replacement for 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> bike. Mine fits an honest 38mm tire, with the undimpled chainstays being 
>>>>> the choke point. A framebuilder or skilled amateur could easily dimple 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> chainstays, and it would probably clear 40mm tires, maybe even 42mm.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also had a 58cm Heron Road that was a wonderful bike. I sold it to 
>>>>> finance an Rambouillet, which is also a wonderful bike, but I miss the 
>>>>> Heron Road!
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 6:28:20 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made 
>>>>>> Heron Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except 
>>>>>> pedals and saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> a 35mm tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 
>>>>>> fundraiser (winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well 
>>>>>> as 
>>>>>> for weekend rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 
>>>>>> 7-speed cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela 
>>>>>> tires; 
>>>>>> Suntour front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end 
>>>>>> shifters; 
>>>>>> Sugino crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone 
>>>>>> brake levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no 
>>>>>> dents 
>>>>>> or dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and 
>>>>>> underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  
>>>>>> Please 
>>>>>> see the photo below; I have others to share on request.  I’ll pack with 
>>>>>> care, and ship via Bi

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

HI, Ray; I should have included my location; I'll edit my post. I'm in
Miami in zip code 33155.  As I said, a while back I posted this bike for a
slightly higher price and there was no interest in it. Things change!
Well, I'll be happy if it goes to an appreciative new owner, and this is
the best place to find one.  Tom

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:36 AM Ray  wrote:

> I have to agree with Chris. I was surprised you weren't asking more for
> it. It looks lovely, and I have been considering adding an honest touring
> bike to my stable (though I certainly don't need another bike). Do you mind
> if I ask where you are located?
>
> Ray
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> Hi, Chris;
>>
>> I appreciate you writing--guess I should be asking for more for this
>> bike!  I won't refuse a higher offer I've advertised it here before, and
>> there was no interest at that time.  I've really enjoyed it, but am trying
>> to clear out things in every category in life; I have a Sam (55 with the
>> double TT, but I wish it were the next size up that has since been
>> offered), a Legolas, and a Curt Goodrich prototype for the Saluki/650b (the
>> One Bike to Rule Them All). You're right, the Heron Touring does everything
>> well all day long; thanks for sharing that you fit 38s on it--very good to
>> know.  Well, if it doesn't sell, I will take it out on the road again, and
>> try it with a set of Barlow Pass tires!  Tom
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:51 AM Christopher Cote 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have that exact same bike, and even though I rarely ride on the road
>>> any more, I wouldn't consider selling mine for twice that price! If you're
>>> considering a Sam Hillborne, this is 98% a functional replacement for that
>>> bike. Mine fits an honest 38mm tire, with the undimpled chainstays being
>>> the choke point. A framebuilder or skilled amateur could easily dimple the
>>> chainstays, and it would probably clear 40mm tires, maybe even 42mm.
>>>
>>> I also had a 58cm Heron Road that was a wonderful bike. I sold it to
>>> finance an Rambouillet, which is also a wonderful bike, but I miss the
>>> Heron Road!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 6:28:20 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made Heron
>>>> Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except pedals and
>>>> saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up to a 35mm
>>>> tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 fundraiser
>>>> (winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well as for weekend
>>>> rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 7-speed
>>>> cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires; Suntour
>>>> front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end shifters; Sugino
>>>> crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone brake
>>>> levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no dents or
>>>> dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and
>>>> underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  Please
>>>> see the photo below; I have others to share on request.  I’ll pack with
>>>> care, and ship via BikeFlights to save costs for any potential buyer.  
>>>> *$695
>>>> + shipping & insurance*
>>>>
>>>> There are web pages that give lots of information about this joint
>>>> project between Rivendell, Waterford, and Ted Durant or, later, Todd Kuzma;
>>>> happy to share them via a PM.
>>>>
>>>> I also have a NOS Heron Road frame and fork that I will post for sale;
>>>> the two would make a nice pair.[image:
>>>> 4E01C407-99C2-4D62-8C11-37A270D66C75.jpeg]
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

Hi, Chris;

I appreciate you writing--guess I should be asking for more for this bike!
I won't refuse a higher offer I've advertised it here before, and there
was no interest at that time.  I've really enjoyed it, but am trying to
clear out things in every category in life; I have a Sam (55 with the
double TT, but I wish it were the next size up that has since been
offered), a Legolas, and a Curt Goodrich prototype for the Saluki/650b (the
One Bike to Rule Them All). You're right, the Heron Touring does everything
well all day long; thanks for sharing that you fit 38s on it--very good to
know.  Well, if it doesn't sell, I will take it out on the road again, and
try it with a set of Barlow Pass tires!  Tom

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:51 AM Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have that exact same bike, and even though I rarely ride on the road any
> more, I wouldn't consider selling mine for twice that price! If you're
> considering a Sam Hillborne, this is 98% a functional replacement for that
> bike. Mine fits an honest 38mm tire, with the undimpled chainstays being
> the choke point. A framebuilder or skilled amateur could easily dimple the
> chainstays, and it would probably clear 40mm tires, maybe even 42mm.
>
> I also had a 58cm Heron Road that was a wonderful bike. I sold it to
> finance an Rambouillet, which is also a wonderful bike, but I miss the
> Heron Road!
>
> Chris
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 6:28:20 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made Heron
>> Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except pedals and
>> saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up to a 35mm
>> tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 fundraiser
>> (winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well as for weekend
>> rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 7-speed
>> cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires; Suntour
>> front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end shifters; Sugino
>> crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone brake
>> levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no dents or
>> dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and
>> underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  Please
>> see the photo below; I have others to share on request.  I’ll pack with
>> care, and ship via BikeFlights to save costs for any potential buyer.  *$695
>> + shipping & insurance*
>>
>> There are web pages that give lots of information about this joint
>> project between Rivendell, Waterford, and Ted Durant or, later, Todd Kuzma;
>> happy to share them via a PM.
>>
>> I also have a NOS Heron Road frame and fork that I will post for sale;
>> the two would make a nice pair.[image:
>> 4E01C407-99C2-4D62-8C11-37A270D66C75.jpeg]
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, Steve, for sharing your buying experience with GB; very helpful.
--Tom

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 8:39 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 8/15/20 11:36 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> Not specifically. Cost was about the same as shipping from a US vendor, as I 
> recall.
>
> You should be able to estimate shipping on the Grand Bois web site before you 
> order.
>
>
> That isn't how it works.
>
> You place your order and wait.  Grand Bois will then send you an email
> with a PayPal invoice for the order with shipping enumerated.   You either
> say forget it, or pay the invoice and your order will be processed.
>
> Here's  my PayPal receipt from the last time I bought tires (3 700C
> Cypres) back in spring 2019.  No idea if prices have changed since then.
>
>
> You just sent a ¥14,500 JPY payment
>
>
> Hello Stephen Palincsar,
> Thanks for using PayPal. It may take a few moments for this transaction to
> appear in your account.
>
> View Your Invoice
> 
>
> Invoice #1301_0734
>
> *Payment to:*
> CyclesGrandBois
> i...@cyclesgrandbois.com
>
> *Shipping address:*
>
>  (my address)
>
>
>
> * Description*
> *Quantity *
> *Price *
> *Amount *
>
> Grandbois tire Cypres700 700x30C STD
> 3 ¥4,000 JPY
> ¥12,000 JPY
>
>
> Subtotal
> ¥12,000 JPY
>
>
> Discount ¥0 JPY
>
>
> Shipping ¥2,500 JPY
>
>
> *Total* ¥14,500 JPY
> *Amount paid*
>   ¥14,500 JPY
> *Amount due*
> ¥0 JPY
>
>
>
> * Payment method*
>
>
>
> VISA x-4672
> $134.28 USD
>
> Exchange rate
> 1 USD = 107.9804 JPY
>
>
> From
> $134.28 USD
>
>
> To
> ¥14,500 JPY
>  PayPal makes money on converting currencies
>
>
> This transaction will appear on your card statement as PAYPAL *GRANDBOIS.
>
>
>
>
> Funds will be available to your recipient on or before: March 4, 2019.
>
> * Description* *Amount*
> Payment amount (in currency funded):
> $134.28 USD
> Your total charge:
> ¥14,500 JPY
> Exchange rate:
> 1 USD = 107.9804 JPY
> PayPal makes money on converting currencies
>
> Payment amount (in currency received):
> ¥14,500 JPY
>
>
> –Eric N
>
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Ian A   
> wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
> Do you recall what you were charged for postage?
>
> Was just on the GB site and ordering direct seems convenient.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
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Re: [RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Tom Goodmann]

Bill, thank you for an excellent analytical inquiry, a lesson in clear
thinking and in asking the right questions.  I prefer the aesthetics of
quill stems and the ease they offer for making small adjustments in height,
but see that the way toward realizing that objective may be expensive.  I'd
be content, then, with a longer steer tube for the threadless stem in order
to have some options using spacers. Like MoVelo, currently I ride with the
bars at a comfortable height reached only via a sloping threadless stem.  A
phone call with Mark Nobilette seems in order.  --Tom

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 3:47 PM MoVelo  wrote:

> I vaguely remember some time back this being a topic. My memory tells me
> there was some concern that the unthreaded 1" tube on the Legolas was too
> thin to thread. Those with better memories can tell me I am right or wrong.
> I too have a lovely Legolas with an unthreaded stem and would prefer a
> threaded version so I can get the bars higher without the awkwardly
> appearance of a steep sloping threadless stem.
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:16:32 AM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a
>> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of
>> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner,
>> and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with
>> quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone
>> converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?
>> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Tom Goodmann]

Agreed, Will; that is the best and safest solution.  Thanks, all. Tom

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:20 AM William deRosset 
wrote:

> Dear Tom,
>
> Before you break out the tooling and cut threads onto the existing steerer
> (technically possible but not easy to do well, and you'll be cutting the
> steerer), measure the OD and ID of the steerer to ensure that the OD is 1"
> (25.4mm) and the ID is 7/8" (22.2mm) . There are different versions of
> steerer tube for 1" threadless and some are not compatible with being
> threaded--they are too thin-gauge.
>
> You could have Mark build you a fork for the bike. Or Rivendell would
> probably order one for you if you ask.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 6:16:32 AM UTC-6, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a
>> local friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of
>> spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the preDear Tvious
>> owner, and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I
>> enjoy with quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has
>> anyone converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?
>> Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami
>>
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[RBW] Converting a Legolas from threadless to threaded/quill

[Tom Goodmann]

This is a great bike, and not so easily found; and with the help of a local 
friend from this list, the cockpit fits me well at the very limit of 
spacers.  The steerer was cut too short to my liking by the previous owner, 
and I am frustrated that the stem is not adjustable, a feature I enjoy with 
quill stems.  I think the frame was made by Mark Nobilette.  Has anyone 
converted a threadless steerer to threaded?  What do you think?  
Appreciative, as ever, of this community.   --Tom in Miami 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

Just so well written, so well told, Paul; sorry for your tire agonies but
grateful fhe shared experience.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 4:58 PM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> Gee, thanks guys! Always happy when my pain and suffering provide some
> yucks.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 2:29:45 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> +1 on praise for Paul's post--it was the best read, the best laugh, I
>> have enjoyed this week.  And thanks to all of you for sharing your views
>> and information . . . I never *tire *of reading them.  --Tom
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jock Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, Paul:
>>>
>>> Your posts are always* the best*, enjoy reading every one of them...and
>>> some of our conversations, too.
>>>
>>> Especially your tire ovations.
>>>
>>> I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that tires look good
>>> and make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to
>>> out on the road.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him
>>>> on ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see
>>>> what he may have in stock.
>>>>
>>>> Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent
>>>> covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to
>>>> DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems
>>>> to be getting back to a quasi-normal.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another
>>>> high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a
>>>> lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are
>>>> generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to
>>>> wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush.
>>>> ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.
>>>>
>>>> The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open
>>>> tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of
>>>> the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless
>>>> tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I
>>>> can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount
>>>> of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and
>>>> only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will
>>>> I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I
>>>> recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just
>>>> beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb
>>>> pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent
>>>> mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I
>>>> recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next
>>>> time around.
>>>>
>>>> [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
>>>> I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting
>>>> experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting
>>>> Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a
>>>> flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like
>>>> that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see
>>>> the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting
>>>> technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle
>>>> like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum
>>>> who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.
>>>>
>>>> But they are dead sexy.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Brodek
>>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to
>>>>> have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still
>>>>> be obtained o

Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

+1 on praise for Paul's post--it was the best read, the best laugh, I have
enjoyed this week.  And thanks to all of you for sharing your views and
information . . . I never *tire *of reading them.  --Tom

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jock Dewey  wrote:

> Hey, Paul:
>
> Your posts are always* the best*, enjoy reading every one of them...and
> some of our conversations, too.
>
> Especially your tire ovations.
>
> I say this, because it is *important & necessary* that tires look good
> and make proper sounds on good pavement. It's the only music I listen to
> out on the road.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:35:52 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>> You can order from Scott in Mpls, as already mentioned, or buy from him
>> on ebay. He's always got listings for tires there, makes it handy to see
>> what he may have in stock.
>>
>> Ordering direct from Grand Bois has been mostly smooth for me. Recent
>> covid-related shipping issues have cropped up, they switched from EMS to
>> DHL when delays kicked in, not sure what they're doing now, but Japan seems
>> to be getting back to a quasi-normal.
>>
>> Nobody's mentioned the Soma Supple Vitesse tires, which are another
>> high-zoot Panaracer OE product for a US-based brand/company. I use 'em a
>> lot, like 'em a lot. They have std and extralight versions, and are
>> generally less expensive than Rene Herse. You can buy direct, might help to
>> wait for one of their occasional/seasonal sales if you're not in a rush.
>> ModernBike seems to have the lowest everyday price on them.
>>
>> The Challenge tires are also very nice. Just be aware they are "open
>> tubular" design, not vulcanized, so they lay flat against the rim out of
>> the package, with no natural upward curve whatsoever. I don't use tubeless
>> tires, so I can't compare mounting a Challenge open tubular to those, but I
>> can say that Challenge open tubulars are the most difficult tires to mount
>> of any tires I've used over the past 10yrs+. I'm cranky and stubborn, and
>> only when death is the only other alternative (yes, I'm exaggerating) will
>> I use tire irons to mount a tire, but I've come close with Challenge. I
>> recently got some fat, puffy Strada Bianca Pros, and they look just
>> beautiful, but every time I look at them I can almost feel palm and thumb
>> pain again. Once they've gone on, and had some time inflated, subsequent
>> mounting isn't inordinately difficult, but the first time is a real bear. I
>> recently got a Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack to spare my palms and thumbs next
>> time around.
>>
>> [image: 49837732981_ce1b8c5de4_c.jpg]
>> I'll also say that tire mounting experience is akin to flatting
>> experience, in that it is a certainty that someone else thinks mounting
>> Challenge tires is easey-peasey, they never have a problem. ("Tire X is a
>> flat magnet!" "I ride mine thousands of miles and never get a flat." Like
>> that...) One man's death fit is another's no sweat. But Challenge does see
>> the need to have a video on their website showing their preferred mounting
>> technique. And boy howdy the dude in the video doesn't seem to struggle
>> like I do. I've bought more than one pair near-new from somebody on a forum
>> who gave up trying to install them. So it ain't just me.
>>
>> But they are dead sexy.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
>>> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to
>>> have been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still
>>> be obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?
>>> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in
>>> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> Legolas
>>> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
>>> '94 RBT
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, Eric; thanks, Ray. I just found an April 22nd post about Scott 
Davis, and so can get them via him or his ebay site, as well as the Compass 
tires.  I ride Barlow Pass 38s on the Legolas, and like them very much.

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
> been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
> obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
> (Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
> advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  
>
> Sam Hillborne
> Legolas
> Goodrich-built 650b prototype
> '94 RBT
>

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[RBW] Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Tom Goodmann]

I've long enjoyed the suppleness of these tires, but they seem not to have 
been available in the U.S. now for some years; I think they can still be 
obtained outside the U.S..  Any recommendations for near-equivalents?  
(Labeled as 700 x 30, but seem to measure out closer to 32).  Thanks in 
advance for any recommendations.  Tom, Miami  

Sam Hillborne
Legolas
Goodrich-built 650b prototype
'94 RBT

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

Nice build, Chris! What are those tires? Very impressive on this bike--and
I like the Deore V-brakes idea; I might try that.  Tom

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 5:35 PM Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mine is set up with a mix of Shimano components, 9 speed indexed with
> bar-end shifters. I recently swapped the cantilever brakes out for Deore
> V-brakes. The braking performance was immensely improved. I could never get
> rid of brake shudder in the fork with cantilevers. Here's a slightly
> outdated pic. I've changed the seatpost and saddle since then.
>
> <https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bDt8rKW/0/2d884bd3/O/i-bDt8rKW.jpg>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 7:13:29 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> Chris, what's your set-up on the Heron?  I agree; like anything Riv, you
>> can ask so many things of this bike and one thing you always get is the joy
>> of riding it.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:36 PM Christopher Cote 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have the exact same bike, it is a really wonderful, underrated
>>> machine. I don't ride mine enough, and think about selling it every now and
>>> then, but I take it for a ride and all thoughts of parting with it
>>> evaporate. It's 90% the same as a 58cm Atlantis at a fraction of the cost.
>>> Whoever snaps this up is getting a steal!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [image: Heron Touring 1.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made Heron
>>>> Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except pedals and
>>>> saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up to a 35mm
>>>> tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 fundraiser
>>>> (winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well as for weekend
>>>> rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 7-speed
>>>> cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires; Suntour
>>>> front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end shifters; Sugino
>>>> crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone brake
>>>> levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no dents or
>>>> dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and
>>>> underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  Please
>>>> see photos; several more on request.  There are web pages that give lots of
>>>> information about this joint project between Rivendell, Waterford, and Ted
>>>> Durant or, later, Todd Kuzma; happy to share them via a PM.  I’ll pack with
>>>> care, and ship via BikeFlights to save costs for any potential buyer.  $795
>>>> + shipping & insurance
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

Chris, what's your set-up on the Heron?  I agree; like anything Riv, you
can ask so many things of this bike and one thing you always get is the joy
of riding it.

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:36 PM Christopher Cote <
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> I have the exact same bike, it is a really wonderful, underrated machine.
> I don't ride mine enough, and think about selling it every now and then,
> but I take it for a ride and all thoughts of parting with it evaporate.
> It's 90% the same as a 58cm Atlantis at a fraction of the cost. Whoever
> snaps this up is getting a steal!
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> [image: Heron Touring 1.jpeg]
>>
>> I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made Heron
>> Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except pedals and
>> saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up to a 35mm
>> tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 fundraiser
>> (winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well as for weekend
>> rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 7-speed
>> cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires; Suntour
>> front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end shifters; Sugino
>> crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone brake
>> levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no dents or
>> dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and
>> underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  Please
>> see photos; several more on request.  There are web pages that give lots of
>> information about this joint project between Rivendell, Waterford, and Ted
>> Durant or, later, Todd Kuzma; happy to share them via a PM.  I’ll pack with
>> care, and ship via BikeFlights to save costs for any potential buyer.  $795
>> + shipping & insurance
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

Shipping from 33155, by the way.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> [image: Heron Touring 1.jpeg]
>
> I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made Heron 
> Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except pedals and 
> saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up to a 35mm 
> tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 fundraiser 
> (winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well as for weekend 
> rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 7-speed 
> cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires; Suntour 
> front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end shifters; Sugino 
> crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone brake 
> levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no dents or 
> dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and 
> underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  Please 
> see photos; several more on request.  There are web pages that give lots of 
> information about this joint project between Rivendell, Waterford, and Ted 
> Durant or, later, Todd Kuzma; happy to share them via a PM.  I’ll pack with 
> care, and ship via BikeFlights to save costs for any potential buyer.  $795 
> + shipping & insurance
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Re: [RBW] FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

Miami 33155--I'll put that in the ad; thanks for the reminder.

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 9:01 PM Karl  wrote:

> Where are you located Tom?
>
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
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[RBW] FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring complete bike

[Tom Goodmann]

 

[image: Heron Touring 1.jpeg]

I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made Heron 
Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except pedals and 
saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up to a 35mm 
tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 fundraiser 
(winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well as for weekend 
rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 7-speed 
cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires; Suntour 
front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end shifters; Sugino 
crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone brake 
levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no dents or 
dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and 
underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  Please 
see photos; several more on request.  There are web pages that give lots of 
information about this joint project between Rivendell, Waterford, and Ted 
Durant or, later, Todd Kuzma; happy to share them via a PM.  I’ll pack with 
care, and ship via BikeFlights to save costs for any potential buyer.  $795 
+ shipping & insurance

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[RBW] Re: WTB 60 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[Tom Goodmann]

Will send you a PM on a green one, 60 cm.  --Tom

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:26:38 PM UTC-5, nathan wrote:
>
> I got excited about the Frank concept and was ready to buy, but sadly 
> couldn't snag a 59 in time.
>
> So… is anyone selling a 60 Quickbeam or SimpleOne? I'd be able to pickup 
> in SF or Reno-Tahoe, and would consider shipping too.
>
> Nathan
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[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks to all for your views and offers; I've ordered a pair of the 
Hutchinsons, and look forward to trying them out. I've not yet tried 
running tires without tubes--something new--that would go toward my idea to 
make this a lighter build.  It may well be, as it seems so far, the One 
Bike to Rule Them All. --Tom

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 6:34:00 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I'll sell you a pair of these: 650x36, 
> http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T650_F35_SS.html
> extra leger, red. Mounted once. $110 shipped
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 9:26:47 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>> I'm the current happy rider of a Curt Goodrich-built Proto Saluki (my 
>> friend from this list and I have already traded the bike back and forth 
>> once between us) shod with Gran Bois 42s.  It's a nimble and quick-turning, 
>> and I'd like to play around with tire sizes a bit to see how "roady" I can 
>> ride it.  I would like to have tried the 32s once offered from Compass, and 
>> wonder why 650b tires of that dimension proved undesirable. Those tires, at 
>> least, are currently unavailable, although I know there are nominal 38s 
>> (Pacenti Moro; Col la Vie) and a few 35s out there too. Is the general 
>> thinking that I'd be giving up too much of the advantage of this wheel size 
>> in pushing the lower limits of tire dimensions?  Thanks for views and 
>> advice. Tom--in Miami where it is perfect riding weather right now
>>
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[RBW] 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

[Tom Goodmann]

I'm the current happy rider of a Curt Goodrich-built Proto Saluki (my 
friend from this list and I have already traded the bike back and forth 
once between us) shod with Gran Bois 42s.  It's a nimble and quick-turning, 
and I'd like to play around with tire sizes a bit to see how "roady" I can 
ride it.  I would like to have tried the 32s once offered from Compass, and 
wonder why 650b tires of that dimension proved undesirable. Those tires, at 
least, are currently unavailable, although I know there are nominal 38s 
(Pacenti Moro; Col la Vie) and a few 35s out there too. Is the general 
thinking that I'd be giving up too much of the advantage of this wheel size 
in pushing the lower limits of tire dimensions?  Thanks for views and 
advice. Tom--in Miami where it is perfect riding weather right now

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Sam Hillborne

[Tom Goodmann]

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> A 56 Sam in excellent condition, ridden without beausage: really, not a 
> mark on it.  Standard Riv build with Albatross bars, Silver bar-end 
> shifters, Misha's cork grips. $1500 plus shipping for complete bike, sold 
> with fenders (never mounted), sans the Brooks and the MKS pedals; $800 for 
> f/f/hs/bb.  Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/? 
>  Please PM, per list policies; thanks. Tom in Miami
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Sam Hillborne

[Tom Goodmann]

BTW, double TT, as evident in the photos, and a size no longer offered for 
this model.

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-5, Thom Goodmann wrote:
>
> A 56 Sam in excellent condition, ridden without beausage: really, not a 
> mark on it.  Standard Riv build with Albatross bars, Silver bar-end 
> shifters, Misha's cork grips. $1500 plus shipping for complete bike, sold 
> with fenders (never mounted), sans the Brooks and the MKS pedals; $800 for 
> f/f/hs/bb.  Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/? 
>  Please PM, per list policies; thanks. Tom in Miami
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Re: [RBW] Re: 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Tom Goodmann]

Happy purchaser here; the seller worked with me nicely on the price when I 
asked him to reconsider, and he looked again at the recent eBay Legolas 
sale so, after all, no huge mark-up from the previous sale, and a pretty 
rare Riv, too.

--Thom in Miami

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>
> So it was sold there for $950 in 2013? 
> Buy low, sell high!
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Rob H.  
> wrote:
>
>> http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?p=1278106
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 3:48:05 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bop/5200579273.html
>>>
>>> No affiliation w/ seller, but I'm happy to help if needed.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: fs: 59cm rivendell all-rounder.

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Thanks, Sasha. Thrilled about this!

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 Sold, thanks Tom!


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 Sasha, I'll take it!  Tom

 more later back at my computer!

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[RBW] fs: 59cm rivendell all-rounder.

[Tom Goodmann]

Sasha, I'll take it!  Tom 

more later back at my computer!

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[RBW] Re: Ram as a light tourer-your experiences?

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, all, for a discussion that confirms my current effort to buy a Ram 
frame and fork. I've been looking for a Heron Road, enjoying a Heron 
Touring model already (though not as carefully built up as yours, Olof 
Stroh).  I got no response to my replies to a CL post for a 58 Heron Road, 
but am now after a 60 Ram, getting ready to move on from an RB-T, as I 
think the Rambouillet will fit me better.  I plan to build it up lightly 
for longer local rides, anticipating the flexibility that it shares with 
other Rivs. Now, to close the deal!  --Tom (Miami, FL)

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[RBW] Fishing for a Heron

[Tom Goodmann]

I'm so happy commuting on a 59 cm Heron Touring bike (acquired from a 
certain auction site) that I am on the hunt for a Road/Rally (60 cm, I 
think), or Randonneuring model (can't find a geo chart for this model), in 
case anyone has one for potential sale, either as f/f etc, or as a complete 
bike.

Thanks for any leads and suggestions~

Tom (in Miami, where a so-called cold front tonight will send temps 
plummeting into the 50s)

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Re: [RBW] Fishing for a Heron

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks, Mike; I've saved this information.  Looks like a couple of sizes 
will work for me with regard to a Road/Rally or Randonneur.  --Tom

On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 9:47:16 AM UTC-5, mike goldman wrote:


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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks for sharing, David; nice write-up.  --Tom  . . . still hot in Miami

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote:

 I finally took the time to post a recap of the weekend with a bunch of
 photos on my blog if anybody wants to take a look.
 http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2014/10/what-weekend.html

 I certainly enjoyed the weekend lugged steel, bondage and expresso just go
 together.
 It's fixed.

 Marc

 On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:46:26 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Linkity-link doesn't work...

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal




 On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Marc Irwin irwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I finally took the time to post a recap of the weekend with a bunch of
 photos on my blog if anybody wants to take a look
 https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=5384807982946756823#editor/target=post;postID=242268957412761;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=0;src=postname
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 I certainly enjoyed the weekend lugged steel, bondage and expresso just
 go together.

 Marc

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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Tom Goodmann]

Sounds like a wonderful weekend, describing a potential future for so many
communities to begin planning and building as MSP has already done, and
continues to do.  Miami has less infrastructure, and not nearly such a
well-developed bicycling culture, but we're getting there via efforts such
as Critical Mass rides, places such as Magic City Bicycle Collective, and
groups such as Emerge Miami.  Also, we get somewhat less snow than the Twin
Cities. :)  --a fact that makes such a commitment from the MSP community
all the more impressive.  Wish I could have made it there!  --Tom  Miami, FL

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 We broke the MCBR weekend into 4 parts. Friday night we rode to a Saint
 Paul establishment for dinner and drinks. I think there were around 15 of
 us at the start. There were at least two Rivs in attendance: Marc's
 gorgeous Hunq and Tim's first-year Riv Road. Lillian was riding a San
 Marcos. Hope I'm not forgetting anyone. The rest of the group was riding
 various other brands of Country Bike.

 Saturday morning, we tested several fat bike models on some dirt trails in
 Fort Snelling state park. Some park employees and other passersby  came
 over to try the bikes. The new Surly Ice Cream Truck seemed to be a hit.
 Highlight for me: My wife's non-cycling 61yo aunt rode the XS ICT over some
 challenging off-trail terrain and smiled the whole time.

 Saturday afternoon, the group rode a section of the Minnesota River
 Bottoms. This is basically a mostly flat, non-technical dirt trail along
 the Minnesota River. The trail is unofficial and mostly maintained by
 volunteers. Unfortunately, the state park people recently cleared the
 portion of the trail that runs through the park. Their hearts were in the
 right place, but it looks like they used a bulldozer, and just pushed sand
 and trees around, leaving the trail worse for the wear in places. Most of
 us were on fat bikes or mountain bikes, but Sean showed up with a Hilsen
 and JB tires, which handled the dirt with ease, and made the rest of us
 feel kinda silly.

 Sunday was the pavement ride. We started from HC, and followed the
 Minnehaha Creek bike trail to the Minneapolis chain of lakes. One of the
 ride participants lost her wallet and phone the night before at an ice
 cream shop in Uptown, so we stopped there to ask if they'd found it.
 Luckily, they had, and everything seemed to be in order. We had a small
 conference on where to go next, and decided to head to a nearby coffee shop
 that features a gay leather/bondage theme. I restocked my supply of
 leather-scented body wash. So that was fun. From there, we hit the Bryant
 Ave bikeway, Loring Park, Downtown Minneapolis, Nicollet Mall, Hennepin Ave
 bridge, Saint Anthony Main, Stone Arch Bridge, University of Minnesota, the
 new Dinkytown greenway, U of MN transitway, Como Park, Frogtown, downtown
 Saint Paul, then across the river to climb the infamous Ohio St hill,
 Cherokee Park, followed by a thrilling descent on Hwy 13 into Mendota. I
 said my goodbyes and headed home from there, happy to have shown the riders
 such a broad cross-section of the Twin Cities amazing cycling opportunities.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was Redemption, now fly fishing

[Tom Goodmann]

Like.  A lot.  Nice photo, Ron.  (If I am right about what I see, I'd
guess that not many here may know the significance of that reel in relation
to your identity elsewhere!)

Tom
Miami


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 gratuitous fish photo


 On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:15:25 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:

 I don't fly fish but I do fish. I do a bunch of pan fishing using a 7
 foot ultralight pole, 2 or 4lb line and a spinning reel.
 On Monday, August 11, 2014 11:12:24 AM UTC-5, Roy Drinkwater wrote:

  The Redemption topic got me thinking about how many RBW members fly
 fish.  I know that Grant fishes, but how many others?  Fly fishing seems
 like a natural hobby along with good bikes, right?

 Roy Drinkwater
 Lititz, PA

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[RBW] Re: Was Redemption, now fly fishing

[Tom Goodmann]

I started out combining the two with a multipiece strapped to my old LeTour 
while attending grad school in Indiana, where I first saw someone fly 
fishing in a small lake, and thought it the coolest activity I'd ever seen. 
 I still bikefish in Miami--there's a canal or a lake in a park nearly 
everywhere you turn--and always keep an old glass rod in the car on my way 
to anywhere around the area.  Biking aside, this summer I fished for a day 
while in Iceland for a meeting, catching many small brown trout on the 
Varma south of Reykjavik.  Am now just back from Montana, where I attended 
a Project Healing Waters benefit with Greg Brown performing; we fished the 
upper Big Blackfoot, where we caught lots of beautiful West Slope cutts, 
and then Hound Creek where it runs through one of those huge ranch 
properties--lots of browns, a few up up to 20 inches. Wow.  All of us 
fishing cane rods, the fly fishing analog to lugged steel frames!

Tom 
Miami, FL

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:59:36 AM UTC-4, doc wrote:

 Living near both the Letort and the Yellow Breeches, I noticed the 
 similarities between country biking and fly fishing years ago.  
 Gear-centric focused on classic design, a Zen-like emphasis on getting 
 things just right to achieve balance, a certain uniform that is readily 
 recognized, and a focus on the journey rather than the 
 destination/objective.
  
 As for me, I have a Popeil Pocket Fisherman because I'm only permitted to 
 have one expensive hobby at a time.
  

 On Monday, August 11, 2014 12:12:24 PM UTC-4, Roy Drinkwater wrote:

  The Redemption topic got me thinking about how many RBW members fly 
 fish.  I know that Grant fishes, but how many others?  Fly fishing seems 
 like a natural hobby along with good bikes, right?

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[RBW] Re: Sam is built...AMAZING

[Tom Goodmann]

Nice-looking build; really clean lines (and, yes, a clean bike for now!) 
Enjoy--I'm on my Sam nearly every day.  Congrats. 

--Tom


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 Congrats Jon!

 Grab every moment and get some miles on that bike!

 enjoy, enjoy!

 - Jim


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[RBW] Re: Collection of The Rivendell Reader + 4 catalogues: $20

[Tom Goodmann]

Thought I PM'd you yesterday, but maybe I missed out?  --Tom

On Friday, April 18, 2014 8:33:44 PM UTC-4, Tom Rooker wrote:

 I am selling my eternally amusing collection of The Rivendell Reader. 
  Issues are:
 RR-9: When Box Kites Blackened The Skies; RR-10: How Cameras  Binoculars 
 Used To Smell; RR-11: When Kids Ate Walnuts and Feared Quicksand; RR-12: 
 When German Shepherds Were Called Police Dogs; RR-16: I Don't Care What 
 They Say, I Won't Stay In A World Without Lugs; RR-17: When Kids Brushed 
 With Gleem And Parents Drank MJB; RR-18: When Blinky Thumped The Gut Bass 
 And Soloed For A While; RR-19: When Orange Roughy Might Have Meant A 
 Number OF Things; RR-20: When Only Rich Kids With Buck Teeth Got Braces; 
 RR-22: And I Think To Myself, What A Wonderful Wool; RR23: When Band-Aids 
 Came IN Tins; RR-24: When Abercrombie  Fitch...; Two RR-25s: Life Before 
 Leaf Blowers; RR-26: When Rope Swings Didn't Get Chopped Down; RR27: When 
 Kids Chewed Tar and Chased the Bug Truck; RR28: When Scriptwriters Knew The 
 Difference Between Nauseated And Nauseous; RR-29: When Pooh Was in Book 
 Only: RR-30: When Spam Meant One Thing: Good Lunch!; RR-31: Touring In 
 The Vicinity of Voo-Doo Specialists; RR-32:When Song Censors Worried About 
 Louie Louie; RR-36: The Poison In The Middle Of a Golf Ball; RR-37: When 
 Everybody Knew Somebody Who Brushed With Gleem; RR-38: When Kids Knew Their 
 Knots; RR-39: Brushing Out The Maypo With Ipana.  Summer 1999 Catalogue #5; 
 Spring 2001 Catalogue #8; The Nigel Tweed Catalogues of 2006 - the Green 
 issue and the Bluegrey.
 28 total (there are two #25 issues).  The $20 covers boxing them up, the 
 postage, the round trip to the post office and the time spent typing this 
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[RBW] Re: Used (Vince's) 60cm Betty Foy at Rivbike

[Tom Goodmann]

The Betty and the 59 San Marcos didn't last long!  --Tom (Miami)

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day

[Tom Goodmann]

Please tell us more about the frame, Anne; it's radically simple lines are 
beautiful.  Also looks ready for anything, including biking on the moon. 
 Very cool--I am going to use this picture in a summer course--, On Two 
Wheels, a parallel history of the bicycle and motorcycle.  Thanks for 
sharing; nice to see a revived use of the Thudbuster, too.  I respect your 
bicycle priorities!   --Tom  (Miami; yep, beautiful again, but the rains 
will be back soon enough)

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[RBW] Re: A case for clearance and canti's

[Tom Goodmann]

What a season it has been up there!  Our son is dying to re-injure himself 
in cyclocross . . .  Nice build; I benefited from the same deal on those 
framesets a year ago, and am still learning happily from the Sam, as it is 
different from any bike I've ever owned. I'm eager to try it with drops, 
though now it cruises with Albatross bars, per Riv build kit, and I do 
appreciate 'em.  --Tom/ rainy in Miami today . . . maybe it is time to 
mount those fenders

On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:39:18 AM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote:

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[RBW] Re: The hills are calling and they are green

[Tom Goodmann]

Looks like a fine time was had by all.  I like the night shots, though my 
favorite are those you got of various people hatching from tents.  Nice to 
see that area green again.

Tom (Miami)


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[RBW] Re: Nice Riv Photos from Google Search

[Tom Goodmann]

Riv-eting . . . very cool; thanks for sharing.  Not least among the 
pleasures of these bicycles are there aesthetic qualities, including a 
remarkable variety in the catalogue to date.  --Tom (Miami, where we had a 
tornado watch yesterday; weird)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Riv Photos from Google Search

[Tom Goodmann]

Gasp!  Excellent, truly excellent.  Thanks for sharing.  --Tom


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 If you like headbadges...I need a Cheviot badge to complete an update to
 this. I have a couple other variations that did not make the cut last time.
 (Still waiting for the Appaloosa.) Anyone have a Cheviot that can take a
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[RBW] Re: A lugged steel boomerang? My Hillborne is back!

[Tom Goodmann]

Great story, Bill; thanks for providing some of the pictorial history too. 
 Just in from work on a double TT blue Sam, nearing its first year since 
purchase from Headquarters; if you have to go to work, that is a good way 
to go.  --Tom (Miami; yep, beautiful day again)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Gets Fatter - a set on Flickr

[Tom Goodmann]

That 650B QB sounds interesting; I'd love to try one of those sometime.
 Does it yield a bit more clearance, then, in terms of potential toe
overlap?  --Tom


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 My QB is one of the 650b-wheeled versions from the last run of silver
 models and it rocks with Hetres, and rolls with PariMotos.  B-)

 Steve


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 philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do like fat tires on the Quickbeam! The rear axle position becomes an
 important consideration, though, and you find that darumas are from the
 devil.
 If we ever get any rain in California again, I'll see how the metal
 fenders fit over the 37mm Ocean Air / Soma C-lines. It should be fine.

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:25:36 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:

 Inspired by the ride of the 42mm Grand Bois Hetres on my Bleriot, I
 spent a couple of hours today changing out the tires on my Quickbeam from
 the 700x28 size I've been using forever to a set of 700x35s (Paselas,
 purchased from another member of this list).

 Changing the tires was no big deal. The bulk of the time was spent
 adjusting the fenders to fit around the fatter rubber. That involved, among
 other things, using a Dremel to cut off the protruding end of the daruma
 bolt that holds the front fender onto the fork crown. Yes, the 35s needed
 every millimeter of clearance I could get (the rear wheel wouldn't even
 spin when I first put it in, due to a lack of clearance, even though the
 28s had gobs of room).

 Results are in the photos here:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157639957181314/

 I haven't had a chance to ride it yet, other that a spin up and down the
 block, but from an appearance standpoint alone it was worth it. The fatter
 tires certainly fill out the fenders much better.

 Ride report once I've had a chance to get it on the road.

  --Eric
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Gets Fatter - a set on Flickr

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 35 Paselas are what I ride on my new-to-me QB, and I like 'em a lot on the 
 road . . . though I will go fatter still for some trail/levee riding 
 (almost totally level) in the near future.  --Tom (Miami, where the weather 
 for winter riding is about perfect right now)

 

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[RBW] Re: Sneak preview of the Riv Chica Warhorse

[Tom Goodmann]

Do keep sharing! The frame and fork alone make the thing look like it is in 
motion, standing still.--Tom (Miami)

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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Tom Goodmann]

At this early point, then, Jim, a simple Thanks! for putting the idea out 
there.  Momentum will build, no doubt.  Tom (Miami, for which you don't 
want to know the forecast today)

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:00:20 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Starting a new thread to discuss the Riv/country bike rally to be held in 
 the Twin Cities September 26-28, 2014.

 I envision everybody coming in to town on Friday the 26th for a 
 meet-and-greet at Hiawatha Cyclery, then spending the next two days riding 
 around the twin cities. Hiawatha Cyclery, which is in south Minneapolis 
 near the airport and light rail line, will be the center of the action. 
 That's the extent of the itinerary at this point.

 If you're coming from out of town, I'd be happy to receive your bike and 
 ship it back to you (I only use UPS). Depending on my level of involvement, 
 I may charge you for assembly/disassembly/packing labor, and UPS shipping 
 charges. No charge if you just use HC as a drop-off and pick-up point for 
 your bike, and you arrange your own shipping.

 You're on your own for lodging, but I'd be happy to offer opinions on 
 whether your lodging choice is sensible in terms of distance, bike 
 friendliness, etc. I am tentatively planning to offer camping in my back 
 yard. I hope other local Riv types will offer spare beds, couches, floors, 
 backyards, and other forms of hospitality to our visitors.

 I am happy to answer your questions. Please keep in mind that we have 8 
 months to nail down the details (and 8 months for plans to change). If 
 you're enthusiastic now in January, please try to pace yourself so you 
 still have some enthusiasm left in September. There's a significant risk of 
 over-committing to summer plans during this gloomy time of year. Past 
 experience suggests that if you and I spend several hours emailing back and 
 forth, answering every question you can think of in January, there's an 
 approximately 0% chance of you being able to make the trip in September. If 
 you think you're actually going to come, then please ask your questions. If 
 you're on the fence - that's cool, you have plenty of time to decide - 
 please keep the correspondence to a minimum until you're more committed to 
 coming.



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[RBW] Re: How cold was your first day ride?

[Tom Goodmann]

Miami, FL: 81 degrees; 70% humidity.  Baby, it isn't cold out there; I 
remember other cool, blustery New Year's rides. Quickbeam.

On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Bill Fulford wrote:

 Kennebunk Maine, 19 degrees, felt like 4. Baby it's cold out there. Rode 
 the Hunqapillar and enjoyed the ride.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new-to-me 'Beamer

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Thanks, Minh, and all; I'm really happy with this one, so glad that Frank
offered it to me here locally.  Our South Florida roads are--ahem--not the
most friendly for bicyclists, but the cycling community here is more active
each year, and the weather is mostly cooperative, rain being the only
natural hazard (and the occasional hurricane).  Everything I have read
about the QB feels spot-on: it just makes you want to go, and it may well
become (as Frank predicts) my daily commuter.  The Pasela 35s feel good,
but I will try bigger tires too--he had Conti Cross tires on it, I think,
which made me want to find paved trails, or more challenging terrain.  BTW,
very impressive, Ray Shine, that you can ride Mt. Tam on the QB--suddenly,
it's an All-Rounder!  (As any bike can be--the engine being a big factor,
as GP offers in *Just Ride*).  So far, in this flat terrain, 40/17 gives me
an easy-going ride, and I think I'll appreciate a 16 in back to let me dig
a bit deeper.  This is a great bike; will post more photos as I sort it
out; it's a well-chosen green, to boot. Thanks, Rivfolk.  --Tom



On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tom,

 Congrats on the new-to-you-QB.  it's always nice to see a matching green
 one finding a new home.  My build is very similiar to yours with the Pauls
 brakes, dos eno fw.  Mine came with moustache bars (the old style) which i
 really liked because they were aggressive and responsive.  i swapped them
 out for albatross bars just to see the difference and never went back.  i
 love the laid back position for cruising and the curves for out of the
 saddle climbing.  with the moustache (and i would think drops) i always
 felt the need to 'go faster' with the alba it feels more relaxed and i ride
 more, enjoy it more.
 enjoy yours! i wish it wasn't so darn cold here so i could ride mine today!


 On Monday, December 30, 2013 3:50:23 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 Thanks to listmember Frank Neff, who delivered this beautiful Quickbeam
 about forty-eight hours ago, building it up right here at the house using
 Open Pro rims, Pasela 35s (from listmember Anne up in Michigan; thanks) and
 Paul Touring brakes I had sourced elsewhere--come to think of it, the
 bars/stem/levers are from this list or the BOB list.  It takes an e-village
 . . . .

 I'm not settled yet on bars (or colors of saddle and bar tape)--the bike
 will likely have Moustache or Albastaches sooner or later--but, oh, does it
 ride nicely!  Running 40/34 up front and 17 in the rear . . . and looking
 at the Dos Eno 16/18 for the other side of this wheel.

 Happy New Year, indeed.  --Tom Miami, FL

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[RBW] Re: I like!

[Tom Goodmann]

Ja! for some reason, I've been hankering for a Legolas these last few 
weeks.  These photos a) deepen the respect; b) heighten the hankerin'! 
Thanks for sharing, Patrick.
--Tom in Miami (where it was a perfect day)

On Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:47:01 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 ...and wish I could afford! The perfect all rounders!

 From Blug (sorry, don't know how to comment on-blug, so y'all'll have to 
 hear it here.

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[RBW] Re: Need collectives help on color choice.

[Tom Goodmann]

Of the two choices, my vote is for the burnt orange; I agree that the cream 
accents would look great (but more $). --Tom in Miami


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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about the rules

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+1 on that point, Ron: I always feel like a happy kid again on a bike,
every single time. And I am never happier than when on a stream with family
and friends, or alone, as well.  Rules?  Fun to make; fun to break among
aficionados of various spots and stripes. As I think has been said on this
forum, riding a steel-frame bike is kind of like choosing to fish a split
cane rod. It's a preference, a choice that feels good for me, and brings me
in contact with very good folks on the road and on the water.  My
priorities include improving my skills, and introducing others to these two
pleasures of fly fishing and cycling (and all the various maladies
attendant).

By the way, I've seen both of those enjoyable episodes in which you appear,
Ron; some on this list may not know that in the world of vintage fly
tackle, you are a widely respected authority on fly reels, in particular,
able to turn clunk into smooth clicking again, and very generous with
your knowledge. It helps to know How Things Work!  --Tom (Miami, where
there's bass water everywhere)


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry to maintain this fly fishing and bicycling analogy, but it is
 apropos.  HG Wells said, *Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no
 longer despair for the future of the human race.  *
 Contagion is the key.  If you're a contagious bicyclist, or a contagious
 fly fisherman, it's because you turn into a kid when you're practicing your
 affiction.
 You're an affictionado.
 The absolute best times I've ever had fishing were filming episodes of TU
 On The Rise, and KT Diaries, because the people I was fishing with were
 just like me - we all turned into kids and had fun above all else.


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/decoy/on%20the%20rise/cPC110028.jpg

 me on the left, Frank Smethurst in the middle, Jimbo Roberts on the right.



 On Friday, September 6, 2013 12:48:44 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:

 I'll be working on #5 for the foreseeable future.

 I thought The Rules were very well written, with a clear sense of
 respectful silliness. I'm happy my riding mates are accepting of anyone
 willing to ride ten miles on a bike. The ride leader adheres to every rule
 (I mean Rule), with a clear focus on helpfulness and complete composure on
 the bike. I sidestep most of the Rules by riding a road bike with discs
 and 60mm Big Apples that I've only ever heard referred to as that thing,
 as in, you climb pretty fast on that thing, which means slower than the
 fast guys, faster than the slow guys, and about on par with the fit woman
 on the full suspension mountain bike.

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Talk about the rules

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks for the link--enjoyable. And the Velominati made me laugh, as 
well; The Rules seem quaint, from sometime before blood doping etc blew the 
Tour wide open, and not where cycling is headed now, world-over.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 11:55:28 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 By far one of my favorite bike blogs to read. Kinda of bias since I'm 
 friends with these gentlemen.
 But nevertheless fun read.

 http://www.boyzonthehoods.com/lets-talk-about-the-rules/#comment-278




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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about the rules

[Tom Goodmann]

Right on all counts, Mike: we can all just ride. I think The Rules are
pretty funny too--and likely read so for many followers, though maybe not
for all.  It has been great to see the cycling community here in Miami
become a) much more visible and b) much more varied in recent years,
including (just to name a few) bike polo players (who started up a local
bike collective repair shop), a strong fixed-gear set; weekend fast club
riders; students of all stripes; people who use a bike to get around, per
need. A pretty good mix is now more evident of ages, ethnicities, genders,
budgets--and bikes.  I just happen to be among those who have discarded
carbon (and aluminum), reducing my rides to steel. And yet the number of
bikes has multiplied!?  I do appreciate the rule that says the ideal number
of bikes is n + 1 . . . .


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Tom Goodmann tgoodm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I relish the smirks that meet the drop of the kickstand on my Sam!  Better
 than leaning it against a light pole in a coffee stand parking lot crowded
 with crabon bikes, as BikeSnobNYC likes to call them.  Nice photo, Ron Mc!



 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Don't have time to plow thru all The Rules at the moment (got about
 one-third of the way before getting a bit bored) but do they mention
 kickstands?  We have a subversive group in our bike club that delights in
 parking our bikes on kickstands, if plain site of the carbonic armada.

 dougP


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 By far one of my favorite bike blogs to read. Kinda of bias since I'm
 friends with these gentlemen.
 But nevertheless fun read.

 http://www.boyzonthehoods.com/**lets-talk-about-the-rules/#**comment-278http://www.boyzonthehoods.com/lets-talk-about-the-rules/#comment-278


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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about the rules

[Tom Goodmann]

I relish the smirks that meet the drop of the kickstand on my Sam!  Better
than leaning it against a light pole in a coffee stand parking lot crowded
with crabon bikes, as BikeSnobNYC likes to call them.  Nice photo, Ron Mc!



On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Don't have time to plow thru all The Rules at the moment (got about
 one-third of the way before getting a bit bored) but do they mention
 kickstands?  We have a subversive group in our bike club that delights in
 parking our bikes on kickstands, if plain site of the carbonic armada.

 dougP


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 By far one of my favorite bike blogs to read. Kinda of bias since I'm
 friends with these gentlemen.
 But nevertheless fun read.

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[RBW] Re: Summer is over...(For me anyway)

[Tom Goodmann]

Great pictures, as always, Manny--and I love seeing that XO-4 out and about 
in the world!


On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:04:23 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Spectacular outing, Manny. I love the random meet-up on Mt. Diablo.  Yup, 
 Autumn's nippin' in the air here and leaves are starting to change. You'll 
 have ghost stories to tell your kids when school starts. There is an old 
 pool on an old dilapidated ranch. Strange noises eminate from the deep, far 
 corner of the pool, tickling the ear as a iced wind of all who are near. If 
 you should ever be unfortunate to hear it's tantalizing snare, you too will 
 at once feel its beacon and its chill...

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:26:12 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 One last hurrah before teaching takes over my life again.
 During the birthday camping a few of us talked about going out and doing 
 one last summer campout. What better way to finish the summer then with a 
 trip to an abandon ranch on Mt.Diablo, the summer mountain!

 Like always great rides start with something dumb happening.
 Before jumping on Bart, Dav, Brencho and I stopped by the local taco 
 truck to get a quick taco before the ride. I ended up losing Brencho's 
 phone at the taco truck.. Brencho was super cool about it and for the rest 
 of the ride the on going joke was , Hey Brencho this would look nice why 
 won't you take a picture of it on your phonenevermind. 

 All in good fun.

 We roll over to Rivendell with Duy, Wilson, Mike and his friend Matt 
 waiting for us and surprisingly the rest of the Grin Fundo camping folks.

 We purposely didn't try to overlap both events but I guess that's what 
 happens when you don't pay attention to dates and stuff. 

 The Grin Fundo group rode up before and we caught up along the way. Got 
 to talk to a handful of folks on the list and even (gasp) take a few 
 pictures. 

 After the Junction the groups parted ways and we made our way up to the 
 abandon rancho. Dark was settling in and we ended up pitching tents in 30 
 mph winds! 

 Dinner was shared as we made spam musubi and The Dav. A fire roasted 
 banana with chocolate chops, small marshmallows and *wait for it* whisky in 
 it's pudding like goodness.

 We slept very weary knowing that at any moment a shadowy ghost of the old 
 ranchers could come by and wake us at any moment!

 The next day we were lucky enough to find ourselves over a blanket of fog 
 that cleared once we rode down it and back home.

 Great trip. Looking forward to doing again next summer!

 Pictures proved that we didn't die from ghostly ranchers:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for Saddle Bag--mostly for books

[Tom Goodmann]

Thanks to all for the fine suggestions; good choices, and for the long haul
too. John Stowe: you put that front rack to many good uses, carrying two
loads we cannot yet get in South Florida: Fat Tire, and things from Trader
Joe's. We keep hearing happy rumors . . . .


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 If you decide go the pannier route: I got a Carradice Bike Bureau for grad
 school, which I'm very happy with. It swaps easily between my Sam Hillborne
 and my cyclocross bike. My only complaint is with the slightly fiddly
 locking mechanism on the Carradice hooks - I replaced them with Ortlieb QL1
 and now it's dead simple to just snatch up the bag and head inside, and
 drop it back on the rack after class.

 Of course, piling on a front rack works, too:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/edith_john_stowe/8433986241/

 -John

 On Friday, August 23, 2013 3:49:36 AM UTC-4, Matt Beebe wrote:

 I'd recommend the Saddlesack Large for books.I own both the Carradice
 Nelson and Camper and they are great bags, but for books, the Saddlesack
 bags with a rack are the way to go hands down.They so easy to use and
 so spacious, they make carrying stuff on your bike a no-brainer.

 Matt


 On Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:40:35 PM UTC-4, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 With a school year just about underway, I'm late to ask; looking for
 recommendations for a saddle bag--likely more flat than square--for
 ferrying books  a notebook pc on a Sam or a Heron Touring.  Each has a
 rear rack too, so panniers are another way to go, of course, but my first
 thought is for a saddle bag-style sort of brief case (behind a B-17, yup).
 Suggestions appreciated.  --Tom in Miami

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for Saddle Bag--mostly for books

[Tom Goodmann]

Loads of good ideas, as usual on this list.  Tom, a photo would be great; I
like the home remedy!  Several recommendations, then, for the medium or
large Saddlesack (also a handsome bag). Swift Industries Mini Rolltop
panniers are the other choice I have in mind: MUSA; waxed canvas option;
two panniers for the price (+ options) of one Saddlesack. Really a question
of preference, as both are attractive options.


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 Jim,

 I use a bungee ball on the bottom of my large SaddleSack. The cord loops
 through the leather on the bottom of the bag and around the top of the
 rack. It holds nice and secure. It's not exactly quick release, but it's
 quickER release... personally I find it more time-consuming (we're talking
 seconds here) but less irritating than the Ortlieb pannier system. I use my
 SaddleSack for commuting and take the bag off whenever I leave the bike,
 including for quick stops at the grocery store on the way home. It may be
 too much of a fiddle for some people though.

 Before I thought of the bungee ball I was using a John's Irish strap. That
 was also OK, but it's more difficult to feed the strap through the buckle
 than it is to engage a bungee ball, so the bungee ball was a step in the
 right direction. It was further improved when I started using a
 half-cut-off zip tie to feed the bungee cord through the rack. I'm not
 explaining this very well—be happy to post a photo if it helps.

 Tom
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[RBW] Recommendations for Saddle Bag--mostly for books

[Tom Goodmann]

With a school year just about underway, I'm late to ask; looking for 
recommendations for a saddle bag--likely more flat than square--for 
ferrying books  a notebook pc on a Sam or a Heron Touring.  Each has a 
rear rack too, so panniers are another way to go, of course, but my first 
thought is for a saddle bag-style sort of brief case (behind a B-17, yup). 
Suggestions appreciated.  --Tom in Miami

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Motorcycle Riding and Bicycles

[Tom Goodmann]

BSWP--Andrew--says it well: the two kinds of two-wheelers complement each 
other.  Besides my Sam, Heron Touring, Bridgestone RB-T and XO-1, I ride a 
2010 BMW F650GS (the detuned version of the 800 twin); I've been happy on 
an F650 single before that, and a '94 K75S, the smothest triple I've 
ever tried.  I'd like to try one of those Moto Guzzi V7s, Ted: light and 
relatively simple, as you say, amid today's powerful and heavy motorcycles. 
 And FWIW, my wife got me *into* motorcycling!  --Tom

On Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:41:28 AM UTC-4, RonaTD wrote:

 So what are YOU riding?


 I rode a Vespa 300 for a couple years, then switched to a MotoGuzzi V7 
 Classic. It's about as basic a motorcycle as you can buy these days. I have 
 found that learning to ride a motorcycle properly (starting with a good MSF 
 course) has significantly improved my bicycle handling. I have a very bad 
 habit of looking down at the road surface in a corner. You need to read 
 that surface well before you get there, pick a line, and be looking where 
 you want to exit the corner as you enter. The saying, the bike goes where 
 you are looking becomes far more apparent when you have 40 hp driving the 
 rear wheel of a 400 pound bike. (I can't even fathom what 100 hp feels 
 like...)  I saw a great example yesterday. As I slowed to stop at an 
 intersection (2-way stop my direction), a cyclist coming from the left 
 turned into the street I was on at a very high speed. (Lycra, carbon bike, 
 shaved legs, earphones plugged in, but no judgement here.)  It happened 
 very quickly, but my recollection is he saw me, panicked, looked down, and 
 hit the pavement. He may have clipped his pedal - I think I heard a loud 
 clack just before he went down.  To his credit, at least he knew how to 
 fall without breaking his collar bone. And he didn't hit me, thankfully.

 I'm actually not riding the Guzzi now. Made a deal with my wife and am 
 driving a Honda S2000, instead, when I'm not on a bicycle.

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee, WI, USA


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[RBW] Re: Sam H starring in film

[Tom Goodmann]

Doh.  Now I found the thread ... shared by Manny back in November. Sorry 
for the repost!  Great feeling to the film.

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 1:12:59 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Hoodlums. All of them. Specially that asian kid. He keeps looking at the 
 camera! What a weirdo.

 On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:23:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Goodmann wrote:

 Am I the last person on this list to see this?  Apologies if this is old 
 news--haven't found a thread on it.  Apparently won praise at 2012 cycling 
 film festival: http://vimeo.com/46103673  Both bikes moustachioed, too.

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[RBW] Sam H starring in film

[Tom Goodmann]

Am I the last person on this list to see this?  Apologies if this is old 
news--haven't found a thread on it.  Apparently won praise at 2012 cycling 
film festival: http://vimeo.com/46103673  Both bikes moustachioed, too.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

[Tom Goodmann]

Marc,

Thoroughly enjoyable write-up--and photos, as well.  The first one of that 
rolling countryside got me interested right away. Thanks for sharing.

Tom

On Friday, June 14, 2013 12:35:38 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:

 There are some with the recap I posted on my blog 
 http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-long-weekend.html, I 
 apologize, I kinda suck at photography.

 Marc

 On Friday, June 14, 2013 10:52:17 AM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:

 That is enough evidence to prove that the Country Bike Rally truly 
 occurred based onManny and list standards for photos. Still leaves me 
 wishing for more will wait patiently and contently for others.
 Thanks.



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Re: [RBW] Re: It is BACK!

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Looks great!  So, while you look for time to build it out, you have 
wonderful art for your wall!

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:15:39 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:

 Another one drooling over the bike.  Very nice.  Love the blue and the 
 cream looks creamier than the regular Rivendell version.  Could just be the 
 contrast with the blue, but it works for me.  Glad you have it back.
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


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 Fantastic color! Does it have a special name? Is it the same as the Homer 
 blue?


 On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:29:03 AM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:

 When I will get time to build it up until next week is another question. 
  But my beloved Rivendell Bleriot (last seen as a smoking heap of somewhat 
 mangled steel after being left-hooked) is now back, with a new (and 
 upgraded) fork and a beautiful paint job!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094278/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094278/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**lynnefitz/8962094310/http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/8962094310/

 Repair job by Steve Rex, paint job by his painter.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

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Very sorry to miss this ride!  We'll look forward to pictures.  Happy and 
safe riding in the beautiful Driftless, all! --Tom




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Re: [RBW] Favorite pedals?

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The shoe side of SPDs offers a nice platform, and the dual-use design is
appealing; plus, the darn things just look good.  I don't know whether I'll
clip in again any time soon, all the same. The MKS touring pedals are
classics, I agree; weirdly (I admit), I've been looking at MKS folding
pedals (FD-7), which also offer a nice, flat platform at more or less the
weight of a Grip King. I'm riding the latter right now on my new Hillborne,
and love 'em.


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 Back when I used clips and straps I liked the MKS GR-9 platforms (for more
 casual riding in boat/moccasin-type shoes) and the MKS touring pedals (for
 more grip).

 The MKS top o' line track pedals (Keirin approved!!) were also very nice
 but I found them too narrow for the bunion on my right foot, at least with
 straight up-and-down TA Cyclotourist crank arms.

 My brother loves old mtb pedals from the '80s and very early '90s and old
 BMX pedals.

 Now it's Shimano (accept no substitute) spds and Looks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spring Commutes

[Tom Goodmann]

Handsome bikes!  I really like the front rack set-up on the Hunqa.  How do 
those wooden fenders do on wet days in Rain City?

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:34:03 AM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:

 It's a semi custom rack made by a local Seattle builder for the Rawland 
 rSogn.  

 http://www.haulincolin.com/porteur.html

 Brian
 Seattle, WA


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 What is the front rack under the basket?


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[RBW] Re: A ride report on my 300k brevet on an A. Homer Hilsen.

[Tom Goodmann]

Great ride; great read. Thanks for sharing.  -Tom/ Miami

On Monday, April 22, 2013 7:59:14 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 Really liked the Blog report on your ride. Very eloquent prose. 

 Best,

 Hugh
 Sunland, CA

 On Monday, April 22, 2013 4:41:27 PM UTC-7, Iron Rider wrote:

 Thanks Ian. I am using 650 B Grand Bois Lierres. They are 38mm. So far, I 
 am very happy with them. The whole bike is described here: 
 http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/01/ahh-sum-of-parts.html

 On Monday, April 22, 2013 5:14:02 PM UTC-4, IanA wrote:

 Also, thanks for the great write-up.  I enjoy your blog.  What tires 
 were you using om the AHH?  

 Ian A
 Edmonton AB Canada  

 On Monday, April 22, 2013 2:03:51 PM UTC-6, Iron Rider wrote:

 With still less than 1000 miles on the bike, it is proving it's worth: 
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[RBW] 61 cm Romulus on SF CL

[Tom Goodmann]

 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3744149782.html

No connection; thank goodness it isn't the right size for me.

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[RBW] Re: Playing Hooky

[Tom Goodmann]

Good looking bike along the Great River!

On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:54:40 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 Hey Eric, Lookin' good on the Mighty Mississippi!  Especially when we're 
 getting gloppy oatmeal snow only two days later.  Sheesh!  How are you 
 liking the Simple1?


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Re: [RBW] Riv model decoder? New Riv owner

[Tom Goodmann]

+1 for RAGBRAI  The event has to be at, or around, or just past its 
fortieth anniversary.

 I'm doing my first RAGBRAI tour this year, and I'm thinking this Red Riv 
 will be a sweet companion.








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[RBW] Re: Riv Inspired Motobecane Makeover

[Tom Goodmann]

Nice bike; I love the clean lines, and the endless good stories of recycled 
bicycles . . . what long lives these wonderful machines do have!  Aren't 
bicycles among our best mechanical inventions?

On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:47:42 AM UTC-4, WETH wrote:

 Yesterday was gorgeous day; today it is raining and thundering.  After 
 wrapping the Albatross bars on the Motobecane Super Mirage, I went for an 
 early morning ride.  The weather and the ride were perfect.  However this 
 makeover and ride would not have happened without the inspiration and 
 knowledge I have received and continue to get from this group.  Thank you.

 The Motobecane Super Mirage circa 1976 belonged to my father-in-law.  When 
 it didn't sell at a yard sale, he gave it to me.  I didn't like the way it 
 rode with the original drop bars and saddle.  It sat in my shed for a few 
 years.  After reading many of the posts on this group and seeing the 
 photos, I was inspired to fix the bike up Rivendell style and get it back 
 on the road.  I overhauled the wheels, bottom bracket and pedal bearings, 
 replaced all the cables and brake pads, installed new 27 x 1 1/4 tires, 
 Brooks B68 saddle, and Rivendell cockpit (Nitto Albatross bars, Nitto 
 Periscopa stem, Newbaum maroon colored bar tape (matches the head badge), 
 Shimano MTB silver brake levers).  I left the pletscher rack, Weinmann 
 brakes, Suntour stem mounted shifters, Suntour V-GT rear derailer and 
 kickstand.  I also left on the county bike registration sticker that 
 expired in 1978.

 The Newbaum bar tape feels great; I rode yesterday without gloves. 
  Though, I usually ride with gloves to protect my hands in a fall, the bike 
 lends itself to gloveless riding!

 I adore riding this bike as currently configured.  I thank everyone for 
 the inspiration and knowledge needed for me to do this.

 Though I do not imagine riding this bike in the rain, I will look into 
 whether I can squeeze in fenders.  I also want to fit a bottle cage or two 
 for carrying water on longer rides.  Also still on the list is finishing 
 the bar tape with twine.

 Here are a few photos from yesterday.  More photos here if interested: 
 http://erlhouston.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Cyling/Motobecane-Super-Mirage/28440802_jtmxgvhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SNO6w48PB-U/UWbhCSCHN0I/ALs/wM1b6hs8xuQ/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25281%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpghttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P7MRBcqG55s/UWbhDJVDnlI/AL4/6JjTD8NMmvM/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25284%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpg

 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tBGThhK0u_M/UWbhCg0oAmI/ALw/J9q1ILjyVuo/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25283%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GjN8SRXu7J4/UWbhCVfMkXI/ALk/h1lh2jjixlM/s1600/Motobecane%2B%25282%2Bof%2B4%2529.jpg

 Thanks for all the inspiration!  Safe cycling.


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