Re: [RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert
Just wanted to give kudos Dan for introducing Edgevale to my life. I ordered one of their flannels along with the chambray shirts and it is one of the nicest, most-perfect-fitting shirts I have purchased in a long time! Immediately ordered a second one with their Black Friday discount. -Clayton On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 10:10:43 AM UTC-8 The Snag wrote: > Yep, large shrinks down to a standard large. Stoked, it's a nice shirt! > > On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 7:23:44 PM UTC-8 Ray Evans wrote: > >> Folks, the oversized stock medium shrinks down to a perfect medium. Just >> like the website says. No worries, really nice shirt. This is the way we >> used to roll in the old days, shrink to fit. >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 6:14 PM Paul Richardson >> wrote: >> >>> if this is a medium, it's the largest medium of all time. i measure 22" >>> pit-to-pit and 31" from the collar to the bottom of the shirt (measured on >>> the back). we'll see what a wash and dry does but man i shoulda gone with >>> the small. sleeves are 21" pit-to-cuff. fabric seems real nice. >>> >>> paul >>> takoma park, md. >>> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 7:55:31 PM UTC-5 The Snag wrote: >>> >>>> I just got my large today and I'm not convinced that it's going to >>>> shrink down enough for me. If someone had a medium that doesn't fit I >>>> might >>>> be interested. And if you're looking for a large. >>>> >>>> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 10:14:17 AM UTC-8 diekaiser wrote: >>>> >>>>> So I just got my medium yesterday. It fits like a large so hopefully >>>>> it shrinks down. I normally wear in between a small and medium so it's >>>>> always a dice roll for me. >>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:27:19 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Dave and Benz. I found it. Tricky! >>>>>> New shirts are on the way. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 1:58:36 PM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, >>>>>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Be aware that at least on my browser, the itty bitty ruler icon that >>>>>>> David talked about goes away once you start clicking on the other >>>>>>> sizes. If >>>>>>> that happens, just reload the page and don't touch the size icons. I'm >>>>>>> using Safari (not exactly a rare browser at 13% or so market share) so >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> think it's just shoddy configuration on their part. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To loop back to my question, I measured a few shirts and they're all >>>>>>> around 20" wide, buttoned, and that's equivalent to about 40" >>>>>>> circumference/chest. I don't think I'm a particularly small fella >>>>>>> (5'10"/160), so that's why I asked for a confirmation from those who >>>>>>> actually have these shirts, especially as they are "Final Sale". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:39:20 AM UTC-8 Hetchins52 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul — There’s an itty, bitty graphic image of a ruler that links >>>>>>>> to the sizing chart for each shirt. The chambray “Small” is about ¾” >>>>>>>> larger >>>>>>>> than the other small shirts. Perhaps because it shrinks in laundering >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the others are pre-shrunk fabric? >>>>>>>> I ordered a Small Railroad short sleeve. Ships from Texas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David Lipsky in Berkeley, CA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey Benz, >>>>>>>>> Can you link to where you found those measurements? I'm almost >>>>>>>>> always between sizes, but I can find them on their site or on Google. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the tip Dan. These look like great shirts, just in time >>>>>>>>> for new shirt season! >>>>>>>>&
Re: [RBW] silver shifter slip under load
Maybe add a little blue loctite or beeswax to the bolts. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 2:09:27 PM UTC-7, Sam Perez wrote: > > It's the original silver shifters , they were in storage and not used > untill now. The washers seem okay but I'll look into the new ones . > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 8:56 AM Jay Lonner > > wrote: > >> Are these OG Silvers or Silver Mk II? I several sets of the originals >> (and the the Suntour Sprints they were based on) and the weak point in the >> system is the little plastic washer that sits right under the bolt. If >> that’s cracked or missing you won’t be able to snug things down enough. >> Luckily Riv sells (or used to sell, haven’t checked recently) replacements >> that appear to be made of a more durable material. >> >> Jay Lonner >> Bellingham, WA >> >> Sent from my Atari 400 >> >> On Oct 6, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Sam Perez > >> wrote: >> >> >> hi guys, how do you keep your silver shifters form slipping under load, i >> tighten the retention bolt but when i play with it it slowly loosens with >> multiple shifts, i do lots of hills and need confidence that i wont ghost >> shift under load. >> >> thanks >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAJN34zkhXhsXVh9YiLKsT-Sbg4MBmqcEHh1%3DLTXqNZK_KcQWvw%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAJN34zkhXhsXVh9YiLKsT-Sbg4MBmqcEHh1%3DLTXqNZK_KcQWvw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/56E447B7-4828-41AF-A43B-A435EBE8E5EB%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/56E447B7-4828-41AF-A43B-A435EBE8E5EB%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bc12fd15-60ec-404e-8d8f-cf3c67cd6db5o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Fixed gear dropouts and fenders
New wheel with Phil Wood hub. Screws unscrew all the way and the wheel drops out or do what Bones suggests. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 4:04:59 PM UTC-7, Erik Wright wrote: > > Hey all, > > Speaking to the Simple One / Quickbeam owners out there (or anyone else > with this experience)- is there a trick to rear wheel removal with > rear-facing horizontal dropouts when you have fenders mounted? I recently > set up a Mercier Kilo WT as my city bike, which is basically a track bike > with clearance for big tires and fenders. I'm running 700x35 tires with SKS > P50 (or 45?) fenders. > > Once I got my fenders mounted, I realized I can't easily get the rear > wheel out without deflating the tire. I know VO makes the "spring thing" > for addressing fender alignment with forward-facing horizontal dropouts, > but is there any trick to getting a good fender line with rear-facing > dropouts while also being able to easily remove the wheel? Almost like the > rear equivalent of a spring thing... > > Erik, Philly > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/95082bcc-e095-4261-8d1c-7fcf09313a48o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento
It is on ebay now and is indeed a rebadged SimpleOne. https://www.ebay.com/itm/193657006545?ViewItem==193657006545 CS, HBG, CA On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:55:46 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: > > Almost looks like a re-badged SimpleOne. > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:48:20 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: >> >> Rear brazed canti hanger seems to be missing too and the brake bridge >> seems different as well with the tapped fender mount eyelet unless the >> orange version was different. >> >> Clayton Scott >> HBG, CA >> >> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:36:39 AM UTC-7, Justin Drake wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/citrus-heights-60cm-rivendell-quickbeam/7193041886.html >>> >>> Somebody should snatch it up before I do. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d0c5939f-271b-49ab-b916-4ca81d3ae6b2o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento
Almost looks like a re-badged SimpleOne. On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:48:20 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: > > Rear brazed canti hanger seems to be missing too and the brake bridge > seems different as well with the tapped fender mount eyelet unless the > orange version was different. > > Clayton Scott > HBG, CA > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:36:39 AM UTC-7, Justin Drake wrote: >> >> >> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/citrus-heights-60cm-rivendell-quickbeam/7193041886.html >> >> Somebody should snatch it up before I do. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e28d9cc2-fa78-4ac4-adc8-fe432141a32bo%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quickbeam on CL Sacramento
Rear brazed canti hanger seems to be missing too and the brake bridge seems different as well with the tapped fender mount eyelet unless the orange version was different. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 8:36:39 AM UTC-7, Justin Drake wrote: > > > https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/citrus-heights-60cm-rivendell-quickbeam/7193041886.html > > Somebody should snatch it up before I do. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/44d1fba1-7a43-4068-a5db-290fe5a163fco%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB
Phil wood hubs are your friend if you use febders with horizontal dropouts. You can remove the bolt all the way and the wheel just drops out. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e811df36-10b2-41c1-95ce-366f39abfad7o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Needing front rack advice
Nitto 34F (big front rack) worked well on the 52 Clem H (most recent generation) I used to own. Not sure if your Clem L differs in fork geo though. Best, Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 8:17:24 AM UTC-7, Dave Redmon wrote: > > I have a Clem L 52cm/650B and am searching for a front rack to carry > panniers. Anyone know what fits? I've tried a Tubus Tara but it slopes too > far forward. > > Dave in Kansas > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/744d8625-e77c-4cee-bb1d-563fa6ffe515o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake recommendations
I really like the Campagnolo cantis from a few years ago (made by Tektro I believe). They are no longer made but come up occasionally. I have 2 pairs and got both for around $80 dollars a while back. Here is what they look like: https://www.evanscycles.com/campagnolo-cx-cantilever-brakes-EV153864 Besides them, most Shimano cantis I tried have been good. If you believe that "harder is better" I recommend some Empella froglegs. They allow you to waste and exorbitant amount of time and still likely won't stop your bike. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 7:57:01 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote: > > I don’t think I need to go with V brakes (smack me if I am wrong), and I > an unwilling to buy Paul’s due to price. I got a recommendation on Velo > orange grand cru at $145 a set. > > Ant thoughts on what to use on an Appaloosa or Atlantis? > > If I use cantis I have a nice NOS set of Suntour levers, with V’s I start > from scratch. > > Thanks > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c5cbd0b8-a864-49c9-9c45-10790ff51942o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Brooks Brown v. Black
I prefer black on this one. Clayton Scott On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:00:15 PM UTC-7, Matthew Williams wrote: > > I'm considering swapping my existing brown Brooks saddle and grips for a > black set. I made a layered Photoshop file so I could review the colors on > the bike. > > > Just curious, what you folks think. > > > [image: bike_existing.jpg] > > [image: bike_black.jpg] > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4304633e-1fea-4d29-9152-8025f5ccc771o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB
Not sure if it matters, but you would not need a power drill. The aluminum fenders are fairly soft. A hammer and punch or even sharp nail and a hand reamer will be sufficient for the holes. Here the a similar reamer to the one I use: https://www.harborfreight.com/t-handle-reamer-66936.html?cid=paid_google|||66936_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=_content==CjwKCAjw5vz2BRAtEiwAbcVIL1GFqSHOzVIUOm0tyo2HBV8Hm29UvrBsIqHaIleP61p1Cb8943NAZxoCPhUQAvD_BwE The installation process may look a bit daunting but it is a fairly straight forward operation. There is a BQ that has a tutorial in it. Would be happy to scan and send them to you. Clayton Scott. On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > These are on the list to do in the near future. However, if I have to get > into metal drilling or cutting, I'm going to need to make arrangements for > someone to help/do the install. > > What non-standard issues will I run into installing these: > > https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/rene-herse-smooth-fenders-700c-for-48-52-mm-tires-h80-700c/ > on a 66cm silver (final run) QB? > > With abandon, > Patrick > > www.MindYourHeadCoop.org > www.DeaconPatrick.org > www.CatholicHalos.org > www.ShepherdsandHalos.org > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/061d572e-65a8-4d5e-b707-828bdcac6812o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!
Not sure about it either. I think the cables make the tubes look wider in the pictures which may contribute to that "something is off" look. Might still grow on me though. Clayton Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a7347c56-fc98-4dff-8ea1-913df44e3734o%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes
That Recon actually looks like it would have none of the issues I mentioned. Went through 3 rack purchases over the years and somehow this company never made it on my radar. Clayton Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ffcd23a5-c3d4-4a4d-8b63-b10ecd7e5f6bo%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes
They do exist. However, even my 4 bike hitch rack (Thule) is really more of a 2 bike rack. Stacking 5 bikes on 5 bike rack might be quite a challenge if it is spaced similarly to mine. In addition the bikes tend to rub against each other unless you really "pack" them well which is time consuming. If I was in the market for a bike transport solution for 5 bikes I'd probably start looking at trailers instead. Or get a roof rack in addition. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d5e52a05-5483-495e-9a70-ee5b4058402eo%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?
A henry rollins bike with 2pac panniers. Cshbgca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1e323a3b-705c-4ef4-b912-7fac6de309c8o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?
\m/ Also agree on the Roadini. It just sounds "little" to me. Clayton Scott, HBG, CA On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:35:40 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote: > > Clayton, that might be a bit too Metal for Riv. > > Fav: Hunqapillar, clever, and it is a bike I have lusted for as long as I > have been aware of Riv. Still kicking myself for not picking one of the > demos up when they were on sale. > Close Second: Wolbis/Susie, mostly for the headbadge of the slug and a > long bolt. > > Least Favorite: Leo Roadini, can't quite tell why, though... > > Cheers, > Collin in Sac > > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 2:03:33 PM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: >> >> I like Cheviot. Those sheep are amazingly tough. >> >> Would love to see the new Chev be called Hebridean. >> >> >> >> >> Clayton Scott >> HBG, CA >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: >>> >>> Or, “Let’s Fight About Something On Topic!” >>> >>> Let’s hear your most and least favorite Rivendell model names. No name >>> calling, even about the names. >>> >>> What is your favorite Rivendell model name? Mine is Legolas. It’s real >>> hard to separate out the bike itself from the name for me. For example, I >>> don’t like the Sam Hillborn name, but that might be because it sounded like >>> a downmarket A. Homer Hilsen. On the other hand, I LOVE the name Platypus, >>> and want one of those bikes no matter what it looks like! >>> >>> Hunqapillar - how genius is that?! >>> Wolbis Slugstone, though? My least favorite, in a walk. >>> >>> I only ask because I found this anonymous poll about Rivendell model >>> names: https://forms.gle/FEf5TeFkr4fZQdxEA >>> >>> Philip >>> Santa Rosa, CA >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7269b3e2-1dfe-44cd-8143-353a1641b030o%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Shorts similar to Riv MUSA
Goruck short work well too. Wait for a sale though. Cshbgca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d9057021-f14d-484c-95c6-b636f8c05191%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Will Mini Motos fit a MTB tire?
No. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a7ebbdec-1eb1-4911-a076-6c443d2f123b%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Handlebar suggestions for Gus\Susie
Tumbleweed persuader bars. Best MTB bars I ever laid my hands on. They replaced the Jones bars on my Jones. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/81ce0bfb-4fff-45a9-ac3d-33a1df981938%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Brake lever preference with Nitto Noodles
Agree that there bar lever combinations also much depend on bars. I found the noodle to be less sensitive to brake lever choice as they have fairly long ramps to rest your hands on. Shorter reach bars like the Salsa Cowchipper (my favorite drop over the past 2 years) are more sensitive to brake lever hoods as you usually rest your hands at least partially on the hoods. I very much prefer blocky, campy-esque hoods on those, on the noodles I seem fine with a greater diversity of levers. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 9:13:08 AM UTC-7, George Schick wrote: > > Part of the comfort issue here may be the bars themselves. One of my road > bikes is set up with noodle bars and Shimano 600 brake levers. I find this > combo to be "reasonably" comfortable - the bars are hawked as having "flat > ramps," i.e., smooth transition from the top of the bend onto the brake > lever hoods. And they pretty much do, but they also have this minor > "upsweep" where the bar makes its turn from the flats to the hooks that I > find kind of irritating. > > Far and away the most comfortable bars I've ever used are the Ritchey > Bio-Max. The have absolutely flat "flats" and after the bars make the turn > toward the hooks they are perfectly flat so there is a very straight > transition to the brake levers. My other road bike has these coupled with > the Tektro levers and I love it. But there are three problems with these > bars: 1) they are no longer made (though they may be found on eBay in > various widths), 2) they were only made with a black anodized finish, and > 3) most importantly, they can't be used with standard quill stems because > the turn from the flat part of the top of the hook to the bottom of the > hook is so sharp that a quill stem cannot be passed through it without > spreading the stem mounting jaws, a dangerous thing to do. The only way > around this was to either find a quill stem with a bolt-on bar mount or use > a threadless steering tube adapter and a threadless stem. > > > On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 9:45:55 AM UTC-5, Erik Wright wrote: >> >> Howdy, >> >> I have a Roadini set up with 46cm Noodles. I'm using 9spd 105 brifters >> that I took off my old road bike, and I'm struggling to dial in the feel of >> the hoods. This is partially due to the lever / hood design (pretty boxy >> and bulky, don't like it that much), but I also can't work out the bar to >> hood transition, if that makes sense. I'd like a smooth transition from the >> top of the bar into the hood position of the lever, in effect creating a >> feel of the bullhorn handlebar. After many micro adjustments, I just can't >> get that with this lever/bar combo. Either the levers feel too close and >> create a harsh/abrupt transition to the hoods, or they're too far below the >> bend for my liking. >> >> I figured I'd switch to downtube shifters and go with the Tiagra BL-R400 >> that >> Riv sells >> <https://www.rivbike.com/collections/braking/products/shimano-tiagra-road-brake-levers-15091> >> >> and uses on most of their bikes, but wanted to check in and see if anyone >> here has a different lever that they *love* with Noodles. Brakes are >> Paul Racers, if that's a factor. >> >> Let's hear 'em! >> >> Erik, Philly >> >> p.s. Riv's out of stock with those Tiagra levers so if you have some in >> your bin that you'd like to get rid of, consider this a low key WTB post. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3a1d3257-26a0-4086-b587-90bc4aa1cd94%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Looking for a zero offset Thomson seatpost
I think I do. It would be black though. PM me your contact if of interest. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ef1c4a01-a504-4263-87a0-73f271d78d83%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
Eamon, What stem length and which upright bars would you run on the 59 Atlantis? What top tube length and stem length would you need on an Atlantis to run Noodles? Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:15:20 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > Clayton, most people I know, if changing from drops to upright bars on the > same bike, would use a longer stem for the uprights. That’s not an > emotional decision. For myself, if on a 59 Atlantis with its 64cm top tube, > I’m not running anything but upright bars on it. I bet it’s great too, but > it’s not an emotional decision that I wouldn’t want drops on that bike, > especially my bar if choice - noodles. Maybe bars like the one James from > Analog showed, but they are personally an aesthetic and ergonomic > abomination to ME. I fully understand many people like them. > > Eamon > Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bcdfd9da-64e6-48a3-9c54-140d9d1b4126%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
One more observation. People accept and love handlebars like Bosco, Losco, Jones and Albas. These bars often put your hands behind the steertube/steering axis. But, the same people throw their hands in the air over sub 40mm stems paired with drops that usually (unless you reverse the stem!) place the hands still well ahead of the steertube/steering axis. Going from drops to upright bars *on the same bike is* rarely seen as crazy, but using a 0 offset stem with drops will at least start at least a conversation with most bike people, even though it is a far less extreme change. Likely emotion/tradition still governs a lot of the component dimension choices. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:05:32 PM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > This will all sound a little vague and I am likely not describing it > perfectly but here it goes: > > To answer the question about how handling changes with shorter stem: > Personally I don't think it affects handling much *as long as it works > within the overall bike bike/rider system*. > > Rather than absolute component lengths and standardized fit across any > bike, I seem to like *contact points in a certain place relative to each > other and relative to whole bicycle* and its intended purpose. If I aimed > for the exact absolute position on my Jones plus as my road bike one of the > two would likely end up handling terribly. If I were to put a 30mm stem on > my road bike but leave everything else as is it would end up feeling > cramped. > > The whole bike and rider system has its sweet spots that vary from bike to > bike and rider to rider. My Jones has 800mm bars and my hands end up in > line with streer tube. bars are higher relative to saddle putting less > weight on my hands and allowing me to be well behind the front wheel on > steep descents. saddle to bar distance is short enough that it is easy to > weight the rear or front wheel by just shifting my body around. I move > around a lot on it. My rando bike is more stretched out. I don't shift > around as much, bars are lower and hands end up well ahead of the > steertube. Cross bike it a bit more compact with bars higher and hoods > higher for steeper descents and so on. I am comfortable with a range of > different positions across different bikes (within reason) but on each bike > I picky about my contact points. > > Despite the significant bike to bike differences each bike handles > superbly for me and all of them are comfortable for long rides across > intended terrain. > > Hope this helps some. > > Clayton Scott > HBG, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> How do such short stems affect the handling of the Atlantis? I use stems >> on my Riv Roads that are short by conventional standards -- 8 cm, and I >> absolutely insist on drop bars with sufficiently long ramps (but >> short-hooded Shimano aero levers and not the very long brifter levers), and >> insist on a bar no higher than level with saddle, so no very short reach >> bar will do. To make up for a very long top tube with a very short stem and >> stubby bar sounds rather makeshift, but I am happy to be proved wrong. >> >> Clayton: I was going to ask, "Please elaborate" and then I saw that you >> did in a subsquent post. My question remains: How does such a short stem >> and bar affect handling if you like your drop bar relatively low -- again, >> no more high than level with saddle. >> >> That said, I've converted several long-top-tube "NORBA-type" mountain >> bikes to drop bars with longish ramps -- Noodle, for example -- using stems >> with short effective reach; for example, Tioga T-Bone upjutters or a 10 cm >> Dirt Drop for example to make 58.5 cm tts match the 56.5-57s on my road >> bikes; these conversions worked well. But I gather that the new Atlantis >> has a more-than-NORBA-length top tube, and I wonder how well you can really >> get it to work with a normal-shape drop bar level with or lower than saddle. >> >> And of course there is nothing at all wrong with sweep-back bars, but I >> wonder how well a frame designed for those will work in the real world with >> drop bars level with etc. >> >> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 7:21 AM James / Analog Cycles < >> analog...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> New MIT Atlantis frames worth fine with shorter reach drop bars and 30mm >>> or 0mm stems. No need to size down. -James / Analog Cycles / Discord >>> Components / Etc etc >>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk8H2AKhPiD/ >&
Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
One more observation. People accept and love handlebars like Bosco, Losco, Jones and Albas that put your hands behind the steertube/steering axis, but throw their hands in the air over sub 40mm stems paired with drops that place the hands still well ahead of the steertube/steering axis. Likely emotion/tradition still governs a lot of the component dimension choices. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e1e26ac-8920-48e1-a92c-3ff5542b608d%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
Hi Patrick, This will all sound a little vague and I am likely not describing it perfectly but here it goes: To answer the question about how handling changes with shorter stem: Personally I don't think it affects handling much *as long as it works within the overall bike bike/rider system*. Rather than absolute component lengths and standardized fit across any bike, I seem to like *contact points in a certain place relative to each other and relative to whole bicycle* and its intended purpose. If I aimed for the exact absolute position on my Jones plus as my road bike one of the two would likely end up handling terribly. If I were to put a 30mm stem on my road bike but leave everything else as is it would end up feeling cramped. The whole bike and rider system has its sweet spots that vary from bike to bike and rider to rider. My Jones has 800mm bars and my hands end up in line with streer tube. bars are higher relative to saddle putting less weight on my hands and allowing me to be well behind the front wheel on steep descents. saddle to bar distance is short enough that it is easy to weight the rear or front wheel by just shifting my body around. I move around a lot on it. My rando bike is more stretched out. I don't shift around as much, bars are lower and hands end up well ahead of the steertube. Cross bike it a bit more compact with bars higher and hoods higher for steeper descents and so on. I am comfortable with a range of different positions across different bikes (within reason) but on each bike I picky about my contact points. Despite the significant bike to bike differences each bike handles superbly for me and all of them are comfortable for long rides across intended terrain. Hope this helps some. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > How do such short stems affect the handling of the Atlantis? I use stems > on my Riv Roads that are short by conventional standards -- 8 cm, and I > absolutely insist on drop bars with sufficiently long ramps (but > short-hooded Shimano aero levers and not the very long brifter levers), and > insist on a bar no higher than level with saddle, so no very short reach > bar will do. To make up for a very long top tube with a very short stem and > stubby bar sounds rather makeshift, but I am happy to be proved wrong. > > Clayton: I was going to ask, "Please elaborate" and then I saw that you > did in a subsquent post. My question remains: How does such a short stem > and bar affect handling if you like your drop bar relatively low -- again, > no more high than level with saddle. > > That said, I've converted several long-top-tube "NORBA-type" mountain > bikes to drop bars with longish ramps -- Noodle, for example -- using stems > with short effective reach; for example, Tioga T-Bone upjutters or a 10 cm > Dirt Drop for example to make 58.5 cm tts match the 56.5-57s on my road > bikes; these conversions worked well. But I gather that the new Atlantis > has a more-than-NORBA-length top tube, and I wonder how well you can really > get it to work with a normal-shape drop bar level with or lower than saddle. > > And of course there is nothing at all wrong with sweep-back bars, but I > wonder how well a frame designed for those will work in the real world with > drop bars level with etc. > > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 7:21 AM James / Analog Cycles > wrote: > >> New MIT Atlantis frames worth fine with shorter reach drop bars and 30mm >> or 0mm stems. No need to size down. -James / Analog Cycles / Discord >> Components / Etc etc >> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk8H2AKhPiD/ >> >> [image: DSC07236-1.jpg] >> >> >> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 10:56:07 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote: >>> >>> The newest MIT Atlantis models do seem to have gotten even longer than >>> the first round. I personally wouldn’t be able to fit dropbars to one >>> without it going a size too small, and having way more stem and seat post >>> than I would be happy with (short stem notwithstanding). I do hope the new >>> Hillbornes haven’t gotten longer. The roster is pretty chock full of long >>> bikes. Could be what others want, though. Who knows? >>> >>> Eamon >>> Seattle >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e20c097d-5660-4dda-8278-023a811c7a92%40googlegroups.com >> >&
Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
Just to be clear, I am not advocating reversing stems, what I am getting at is more along the lines of a 30-50mm stem vs. a 100-120mm stem. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 10:58:17 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: > > There are benefits to one-size-fits all bicycles like Bromptons. I > suppose there are benefits to reversing your 8cm stem and running a > 16cm longer top tube, but I think I prefer the benefits of a bike that > actually fits. > > On 5/18/20, Clayton Scott > wrote: > > A few thoughts: > > > > - Completely agree to keep the Hillborne as is. Keep cantis too. > > > > - Short stem and drops: Personally I don't see it as "making it work". > > There are even benefits to it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:35:13 AM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > >> > >> To each their own, but if that is “making drop bars work”, it’s not for > >> me. I’m not afraid of short stems either. But, hey, it’s all about what > >> works for each individual. I just think the new longer bikes are > designed > >> > >> for swept back bars, and if you are near the bottom end of the pbh > range > >> for a given size, most folks are going to consider it a compromise or > >> worse > >> to try running drop bars on them. > >> > >> I’m interested to see what the new Hillborne color will be. The > >> black/cream ones were great. > >> > >> Eamon > >> Seattle > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6mPLvAp5oEY/unsubscribe. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c2fd96fc-7aa4-4e54-964c-0cdf09cca99b%40googlegroups.com. > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/61cf5353-5cb3-4e0e-9e16-df88535a18c8%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
A few thoughts: - Agree to keep the Hillborne as is. Keep cantis too. Just to have some diversity in the line up. - Short stem and drops: Personally I don't see it as "making it work". There are even benefits to it: longer wheelbase is possible, less TCO or similar TCO but with bigger tires and fenders. more centered when climbing out of saddle = more traction, less forward weight on steep descents = less headers, etc. - Short stem and drops currently looks weird to people because it is not widely done, but I would not be surprised if sub 60mm stems became the norm on gravel bikes soon. Sub 50mm is already normal on MTB and no one thinks it is weird anymore. - The new Rivendell sizing is very different than what it was a few years ago. I used to ride a 62cm quickbeam and a 61cm Toyo Atlantis comfortably. Bought a 59 MIT Atlantis last year and it rode too big for my taste. Now I have a 56cm MIT Atlantis and that fits excellent. It is nominally the smallest bike I own, but rides much larger. Had I carefully studied the new PBH chart I would have likely gone with the 56 out the gate, but thought I knew better so I learned the hard way. What seems too small may actually be just right. Best, Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:35:13 AM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > To each their own, but if that is “making drop bars work”, it’s not for > me. I’m not afraid of short stems either. But, hey, it’s all about what > works for each individual. I just think the new longer bikes are designed > for swept back bars, and if you are near the bottom end of the pbh range > for a given size, most folks are going to consider it a compromise or worse > to try running drop bars on them. > > I’m interested to see what the new Hillborne color will be. The > black/cream ones were great. > > Eamon > Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8f630af1-2c19-4b8f-adbe-43a5a481b258%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
A few thoughts: - Completely agree to keep the Hillborne as is. Keep cantis too. - Short stem and drops: Personally I don't see it as "making it work". There are even benefits to it: On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:35:13 AM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > To each their own, but if that is “making drop bars work”, it’s not for > me. I’m not afraid of short stems either. But, hey, it’s all about what > works for each individual. I just think the new longer bikes are designed > for swept back bars, and if you are near the bottom end of the pbh range > for a given size, most folks are going to consider it a compromise or worse > to try running drop bars on them. > > I’m interested to see what the new Hillborne color will be. The > black/cream ones were great. > > Eamon > Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c2fd96fc-7aa4-4e54-964c-0cdf09cca99b%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Brake lever preference with Nitto Noodles
I like these. Wish Teatro still made them without the holes though. https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=89002=CjwKCAjwwYP2BRBGEiwAkoBpAjh66NUUOA9hEk8Qlq6QJ2yvbFKGdgfldgFKgKCuSNdc-KVfRXxCaxoCOIIQAvD_BwE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3c3107b4-dc8b-4d59-b4e3-a724ceee6bd0%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?
are you bending 11speed cogs? For me 11speed has been problem free for years. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/89624ba0-248b-45fa-bb5b-195fa379e193%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?
Friction shifting with clutch derailer works just as well as with clutchless derailer. At least for Shimano when paired with microshift. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3df71d28-f25c-4384-92d2-a3e6a59ccef5%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?
It can gain you at least theoretical durability if you manage to increase the flange to flange distance for greater spoke bracing angle. Pairing a Single Speed Cassette hub with 5-6 cogs will get you there. Almost "old school" at this point, but certainly a viable option. Further reading here: https://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/6-speed-cassette-ss-hub-please-post-your-setup-573783.html And here: https://blog.jonesbikes.com/6-speed-cassettes/ Enjoy the trip down the rabbit hole. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43bf663c-f902-446d-b124-ffc9ec66e493%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.
The MIT Atlantis are excellent for drop bars. It might take some rethinking on what constitutes appropriate stem length though. There several advantages to shorter stem with longer frame. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/513eb7f7-fac5-49bf-bab4-da0ddbdd0776%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Susie Tire suggestions?
Really just a clearance thing. If you can get away with no boost that is fine and possibly better if the the rear is spaced 135. Even a 2.4 should be fine. I like the fatter almost 3" tires for fast rides, they are a ton of fun and the traction is amazing, but I just got back from Annadel where I was the only ridid single speed with 42mm tires today and all was good fun. Carried the bike across a few rock gardens to preserve the rims but all in all it is amazing what you can get away it. Not faster, but certainly more interesting again on the beaten paths. Not knowing the geo on the Susie it is hard to make any solid recommendations. I'd give RBW a call to sure. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c4aa8047-dde9-4a77-9374-dc479873753a%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Susie Tire suggestions?
I like the Bongrager Chupacabra tires. Mine measure 2.8 on wide rims. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 8:16:06 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: > > I've got a Susie frameset on the way and am already in possession of a > beautiful set of Cliffhanger/WI MI5 wheels. I'm uncertain, though, of > which tires to choose. I'd prefer tan sidewalls, if possible, and would > like a 2.6 width(since I'll be running a 2x drivetrain.) I've been looking > at Teravail's offerings, but don't know anyone who's personally used them. > Does anyone here have any firsthand knowledge? I'm looking at either the > Honcho or the new Kessel. > > This bike will be dedicated to riding trails. I am not an overly > aggressive rider, but I do want a performance oriented tire, if you know > what I mean. I live in the Northeast and am looking for stability and > safety while riding sometimes muddy and wet-rooted trails. I'm a big fan > of Schwalbe's tires and thought the Hans Dampf would be an appropriate 2nd > choice(or first choice?) if the Teravails weren't recommended. But sadly, > their new "skinwall" versions don't aesthetically appeal to me. What do > you think -- Tervail Honcho or Kessel or Schwalbe something or other? > > Thanks for your advice! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5e6d4652-bf2b-46d2-a5d7-2f64a2af8f38%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Susie Tire suggestions?
Or you can just get some boost cranks and not worry. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 12:36:24 PM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I’ll likely stick with the Schwalbes, > but was glad to hear of a positive experience with the Honchos. > > David, here’s what Grant wrote to me regarding tire size/chainring count > compatibility > > > • A 2.8-inch tire in back works best with a single ring up front. B/C in > the low gear on a double, the chain gets too close to the tire, and on > bouncy stuff it'll rub and the knobs can catch on it and suck it into the > gap btw the tire and chainstay. That can be avoided by shifting to ANY > OTHER GEAR when you go bouncing down a bumpy hill---but sometimes you'll > forget to do that, and it'll make you feel dumb, which is less than ideal. > > > Best, > > David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6c93f800-404b-418c-9831-d146d6ed5246%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread
Chances are your pump gauge may be off. My 20 year old Silca Pista's pressure gauge is purely ornamental. Back when I first saw that Berto chart I dismissed it as absurd, but it was the pump that was way off. Now I use an SKS pressure checker gizmo if I really want to know, but most of the time I rely on my thumb. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Friday, May 8, 2020 at 9:18:16 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: > > I sort of take the results from the Silca tool as a Minimum. I guess I > should have said that. I have gotten a pinch flat and dented rim on > the front, but I hit the edge of that pothole hard. Earlier that same > day I rode a trail down by the river with some short rocky portions no > problem. But the rocks down there are usually rounded by water. > > Maybe you should give Josh some feedback if you are getting double pinch > flats. > > -Dave J > > On 5/7/20, Andrew Letton > wrote: > > I recently had a similar experience with the recommended pressures from > the > > Silca tool - for Snoqualmie Pass tires and rocky fire roads - double > pinch > > flat on a recent ride.cheers,Andrew > > On Friday, May 8, 2020, 04:20:07 AM GMT+10, Corwin > > > wrote: > > > > I don't think I would trust the Silca tool. Put in my weight and my > bike's > > weight - conservatively over estimating both. The tool gave me pressures > of > > 50 & 48psi for rear and front tires respectively. > > At those pressures, I have experienced frequent pinch flats. > > Namaste, > > > > Corwin > > > > On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: > > The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other > testing > > and put in a tool here: > > https://info.silca.cc/silca- professional-pressure- calculator > > Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a > recommendation > > that is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave > them > > my email for the pro version but the basic is good enough. > > -Dave J > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f8d8cd50-7539-4de3-af9d-71f0adb1bf38%40googlegroups.com. > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/FegWjxa6Qus/unsubscribe. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > > rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2090446109.3177308.1588902941632%40mail.yahoo.com. > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2545563c-7e10-49b3-a923-de0ef9fc1cd9%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Mustard
Clem and bullmooses are sold. Clayton \m/ Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e49fd20c-0c17-47b5-a8f0-ae9afffda185%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Frame color!
That blue is great. Also like grey with tinge of green like the the ocean on a stormy day. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/adee44ec-b1c3-4e4b-9ede-5238450ce1cf%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Mustard
Still have it and given what they are going for on ebay it is a deal ;-). Happy to add your choice of bullmoose, chocomoose, or boscomoose with greater downslope angle to it for an etra $50. Hope you are all staying safe and sane! Clayton On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:08:26 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: > > Price drop. $800. shipped to CONUS. > > Clayton Scott > HBG,CA > > On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 1:58:02 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Have a 52cm Clem Mustard H frame (high top tube) for sale. >> It is in almost new condition except for a scratch in the downbube. >> Straight, never crashed, no rust and frame savered. >> One thing to note is that it takes a 27.0 seat post. This is how it came >> to me straight from Rivendell HQ. >> I am including a Nitto Crystal Fellow (single bolt) in 27.0 250mm with it >> (or a black vintage XT post 330mm also made by nitto if you need a longer >> one). >> Headset and BB are included too. >> $850 shipped to CONUS. Attached some pictured of the full the build. >> >> Best, >> Clayton Scott >> HBG, CA >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f5816c47-55ce-4386-8ff8-4a8c82cac9dd%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Free Clinic Schedule on Instagram Live
Wheel spoking methods are always of interest to me. Since I have time and don't build more than ~10 wheels a year the Schraner method of spoking has served me well, but I am always interested in other methods. Seems the like tensioning, truing, and stress relieving are pretty similar from builder to builder but spoking seems to have a lot more flavors. Best, Clayton Scott HGB, CA On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 5:37:52 PM UTC-7, James / Analog Cycles wrote: > > Join the fun. Our first clinic had about 160 different people stop in, > and I learned that I shouldn't repeat questions! Joining the clinics is > super easy. Follow @analogcycles on instagram, and in the stories section, > you'll see our name with a glowy glowy ring around it when the clinic goes > live. You can ask ?s by typing them out, and we'll answer them as best we > can. You can only do a live feed for 30 minutes, but if we're not > finished, we'll pause while we restart, and wait a few for folks to > rejoin. > > Please feel free to offer suggestions for clinics or talks. All clinics > will start at 8pm EST so more folks can watch. > > 4/20/2020: We don't smoke weed, so why not have a clinic on 4/20? > Candice will show you how to wrap handlebar tape. She's demo it on a tape > that requires a bit more from the person wrapping it, so if you get this > technique, you can do ANY tape. She'll also cover twining the end, > benefits of different types of tape, and the mysteries of GEL... This was a > submitted idea. > > 4/22: Drivetrain cleaning and lubing, the Analog way. I'd say most folks > are either doing it wrong or are trying to hard, or both. Come watch our > simple presentation on drivetrain cleaning and lubing. We'll also cover > cleaning rims and rotors. Notice: our way to do it is fast, simple and > affordable. No tricks, no special tools. > > 4/27: Headset and bottom bracket installation. We'll do a few different > types, and talk about bear preload and maintenance and why Chris King > headsets are over rated. Submitted idea. > > 4/29: Normal derailleur adjustment. Front and Rear. We'll also talk > about cables and housing, installation. > > 5/4: 1x derailleur adjustment. Also talk about chain tension, chain > length, quick links. > > 5/6: Open! Who wants to come up with something > > 5/11: What goes into frame prep? A talk by Candice about how she preps > frames before building them. Not a clinic so much as a, hey look this is a > lot of work but it's important, talk. > > We'll keep going as long as people are stuck indoors, or if it just stays > popular. Maybe go back to one a week once COVID lets people get outside > more. > > Let us know what you want to see! > > James / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Discord Components / Fifth > Season Canvas. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ef68418a-244a-4d46-ab3d-fb633bcd0a34%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lighten Up: Clem Edition
I actually friction shift 11 on my rando bike. Surprisingly not hard. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fb97eee2-2846-4c04-8921-06dc07e838f3%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition
Which model are you using? Sport, treking, etc. Thanks, Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 10:18:44 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote: > > One alternative to a standard donohue setup is an external generator. > Velogical, a Germany company, came out a few years ago with a modern > interpretation of the old bottle generators used in years past: > > http://www.velogical-engineering.com > > I’ve been using one for about six months now, and I’m totally sold. I use > mine to power two LED headlights and one LED taillight, and it works > perfectly. Virtually silent, virtually drag-free … and it works with your > current wheels! No need for a new front wheel. > > Cost is less than a top-quality dyno hub (e.g., Schmidt) but far less than > the total cost of a new wheel (hub + rim + spokes + wheel building). > > I watched their YouTube installation video and was able to install mine in > less than an hour. As I noted, no problems whatsoever in six months of use. > > --Eric Norris > campyo...@me.com > @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > > On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:57 AM, ted > > wrote: > > I had a similar experience. I was commuting on my simple one with battery > lights and thought that was just fine. I saw a pair of used single speed > wheels with a son hub for sale on the list here and decided to give the > dynamo thing a try. I found I appreciated the set it and forget it nature > of the dynamo system way more than I would ever have guessed. Maybe I'm > just extra lazy but once freed of dealing with batteries I'd not go back. > > On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:40:18 AM UTC-7, Dorothy C wrote: >> >> Re: dynamos. I got one on my Cheviot as it was the only 650b wheelset Riv >> had in at the time, and I have found a big benefit for me is that 1. I >> don’t have to remember to turn lights on and off, so they never discharge >> if forgotten and 2. when I go grocery shopping and park the bike I don’t >> have to detach and reattach the lights to prevent theft. >> In fact those were such big plusses, I had the local bike shop rebuild my >> Alex rim on my Appaloosa to have a dynamo too > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/eb4254af-0665-4a3b-9872-ae55f9ad8307%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/eb4254af-0665-4a3b-9872-ae55f9ad8307%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f7e80274-b149-44e6-a0cc-534a97789f14%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clempocalypse Build
It's a beauty! Shifting sorted now? CD HBG, CA On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 11:33:46 AM UTC-7, J Imler wrote: > > Thanks, Clayton. I’m running fiction shifters. I removed a couple links > and swapped the derailleur. Could have been a loosish cable. Seems good to > go now. Here’s Clem in the habitat I hope to revisit more often. > > On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 7:42:03 AM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: > > Seems odd. Are you on friction or index? have you played some with the > cable tension to get it just right. Another thought is that possibly the > derailer is not able to take up all the range leading it to being a bit too > slack in the lower cogs (just guessing). Does it happen in both big and > small ring? Might also be a slightly bent der hanger (Again just guessing). > In terms of chain length - I usually measure it by wrapping it around > biggest chainring and biggest cog (without running it through the derailer) > then add one chainlink segment (1") to that length. > > > > > > Clayton Scott > > HBG, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-7, J Imler wrote:I’m > putting on the finishing touches. I’m getting a ghost shift between the > second and third cog. I swapped the Clem complete 9 speed cassette > (Sunrace?) for an eight speed Sunrace with a larger low gear. I think it’s > a 40t so I put on a WolfTooth hanger to help. It’s all gravy except the > ghost shift. Too much chain? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4b103e7d-0ac4-4c67-8067-8570445b7125%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Lighten Up: Clem Edition
Why does 135 limit you to 10 gears? Mine goes to 11 and others' go to 12. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a5e978f9-8f17-4a19-815a-48de57bb83db%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Clempocalypse Build
Seems odd. Are you on friction or index? have you played some with the cable tension to get it just right. Another thought is that possibly the derailer is not able to take up all the range leading it to being a bit too slack in the lower cogs (just guessing). Does it happen in both big and small ring? Might also be a slightly bent der hanger (Again just guessing). In terms of chain length - I usually measure it by wrapping it around biggest chainring and biggest cog (without running it through the derailer) then add one chainlink segment (1") to that length. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-7, J Imler wrote: > > I’m putting on the finishing touches. I’m getting a ghost shift between > the second and third cog. I swapped the Clem complete 9 speed cassette > (Sunrace?) for an eight speed Sunrace with a larger low gear. I think it’s > a 40t so I put on a WolfTooth hanger to help. It’s all gravy except the > ghost shift. Too much chain? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/42bb4b15-ca17-4cbc-9b93-08697ea42630%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: What Is a Cheviot?
Just to add to the "weight" thing. It is less about the weight but rather about the associated thickness/flexibility of the tube set used. For many people a bike built with thinner walled smaller diameter tubes will ride with less perceived exertion for a given speed than a bike of EQUAL weight built with thicker walled and larger diameter tubing.Less exertion = more speed. Again rider weight and intended purpose of bike matter. It is not all black and white and individual preferences play into this too. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f6dfea3e-c273-4296-bbf7-3b2a4607a1d6%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
And there is a this newly dug rabbit hole right in front of me... Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/78a4cadb-88a4-4fa9-b59e-b4495b53daca%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Chocomoose Versions
There have been some deemed "bad angle", where the bar angle was angled downwards more. They were sold upon request. I have a pair and prefer them to the regular version. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/033df254-4c72-4096-928d-2556ca81a256%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Re: Semi-OT: chambray
Taylor stitch may have something too. Tellason may as well. Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/48449e3c-6021-4115-9abd-628c75f06974%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.
Unsubscribe me. I call things like I see them. Boy I am pissed, and my PTSD is pinned. I am done with this crew of hatred. It just never stops. I am done with Rivendell. The owners group is not an owners group. It is the church of Grant and his blind minions. The undercurrent of hate is constantly here. I would bet a dollar that the haters are Republican as their hate is ALWAYS bubbling over in society. Any critisism is not allowed of Grants creations even when it is a personal opinion for a personal taste. I really respect Grant, but jeeez people, its a bicycle, not about what to do about global warming. I’ve done my fair share of fawning over my Atlantis and posting it to drive salesall to help Grant survive. It is a perfect bike after all, but I don’t think the Boots isso far. Sorry. The planet will be mostly uninhabitable in sixty years, fact. I really can’t respect or like anyone who drives a car, so I don’t respect most of the people on here. The science is solid, and people drive knowing that they are contributing to mass death. You are knowingly mass murderers and your mind won’t accept that, but its the truth. Diluting it out through all the cars in the world falls false. Electric car owners get a pass. Do your moral and civic duty and get rid of your gas burners and save my grandchild. If you can’t do that, burn in the hell of your own making. It’s time to go to war for the planet. Pick a side. Global warming is not political. It is fatal, and I live in a society where the bike is still considered a hobby, a toy. You all contribute to that. Have fun with your Rivendell toy hobby. For Gods sake, keep insulting and arguing over your toys, it gives the owners group a wonderful reputation. Global warming warriors, rise up and raise total hell. It’s time for battle. SCREAM! While the world burns, Spend your energy elsewhere, you group of grumpy old men. RIP Paradise. Goodbye ClaytonSent from Yahoo Mail for iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.
Hi Garth, Custom frames are not available from Riv, at least on their website. A full custom lugged would be out of my budget. Whatever I get, it’s likely to be my last bike, as I am getting creaky and according to my family history, I’ll be dead in twenty years. I am sure I’ll not be able to ride in another ten or so. So this is a very important purchase! Probably my most important, as I’m not rich. I have been saving up. I don’t understand how buying a bike can be so obsessive and stressful. I can’t blame PTSD for this one. I am a Rivendelian, and want to stay with the tribe, but maybe this bike just isn’t for me. Tim, Thank you! Clayton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.
Joe, I haven’t drank alcohol in over ten years. But I appreciate the insults. I hoped someone smiled, as that was the purpose of the post. Entertainment for seventh graders. Clayton Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 5:02 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: The smoker you drink, the player you get. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/BXD_9E34WUk/unsubscribe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.
If I buy, I will go with the fillet, since I can’t have my lugs and light, straight tubes like on my PERFECT Toyo Atlantis. (childish stomping on the ground, whiny pouty face). The fillet version takes me back to the eighties, and the high end, custom mountain bikes I couldn’t afford. I can’t afford a custom lugged bikepacker for wide tires now, but I can save up for the fillet Boots (gets up to put another ten in the piggy bank). Grant designs some of the best steel bikes in the world IMHO, so I will trust in that. I like the badge, the name, the graphics and I’m wrapping my mind around the dropped top tube. What I find funny, is that once I get the bike and ride it, all my drooping top tube dislike-silliness, will vanish, and I know it. It will be another perfect bike, because I expect it to be. I expect the details I have concerns about will be cleaned up and am looking forward to hearing about it’s further development. I was going to make new bikepacking packs for my Atlantis this winter, but I think I’ll wait and make them for the Boots. Making the frame bag will be fun (steering my brain to like the drooped top tube ), but am a little stumped on how to run the zipper without things falling out, or a wrinkled curved zipper that might hang up..樂 I’ll figure out something esthetically, to compliment the frame, hopefully. Canvas X-pac probably, depending on what color the Boots is. I am getting slightly excited. MY ‘Nature Bike’, perfectly executed? (I much prefer ‘Nature bike’ over Hillybike). The drooping top tube bothers me esthetically, but will really appreciate the first time I don’t rack my nuts! Another word like beausage needs to be made up for the beauty, and the ‘advantages’ of a droopy top tube, to make it more appealing (to me). Any suggestions? Mumblethinking..I was thinking maybe, ‘Notanutter’? Sexist. Never mind. Crotchless top tube? No, underwearNuttergutter? I am failing badly at thisSexist againbut crotchgutter is ugly and weird. We need to seriously work on this”Crochcanyon?” Getting rid of the whole crotch thing would be nice, but I keep coming up empty. Mongol saddlehmmm...Aha! I got it.”The MONGOLOTUBE”! Now that I have a name for it, and an appreciation for Grants description of the riding style of the Mongols, I am good. Any better suggestions? Now I need a name for the frame bag I plan on designing, for the bike I don’t have, for more help getting my brain to love the Mongolotube. 藍 I am such a dorky bike nerd.and the naming thing is fun, so ”The Mongolo pack”? Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Love your family. Clayton#dirtdancedesigns Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 12:41 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: The TIGed v. filleted price points of $900 and $1600 are interesting..I'm glad to hear one of them will be in the Clem/Roadini range. I can't see myself popping for the pricier option to get fillets on a 'bash it around in the dirt' bike, but $900? Yep, I'm probably buying that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/BXD_9E34WUk/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.
Relax Joe.Clayton Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 12:14 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: I'm not going to "relax Joe", your weird negative comments about Grant on Thanksgiving are unnecessary. Go ride your bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/BXD_9E34WUk/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.
That is why I explained myself, and my desire for a bike they don’t make. I thought that was clear. Relax Joe. Clayton Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 11:47 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: You don't wanna want one, you want a bike Riv isn't making. Thanksgiving is a bizarre moment to come here and rag on Grant about a bike he isn't selling; maybe you should go buy one you like. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/BXD_9E34WUk/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.
I asked if they can keep me up to date on the Boots, going on the mailing list. Grants comments about negative opinions on the Boots is disappointing. It will be interesting to see if they put me on the secret development list, as I am probably the main Boots complainer that Grant complained about. Controlling the message.. To be clear, I wanted a lugged, light, straight tubed, just like my Atlantis, but with bigger tire clearance and triple mounts galore. I have dreamt of ‘my’ Rivendell bikepacker for over a decade, and have held out buying a dedicated bikepacker, waiting for Riv to make one. The Boots is not what I dreamt of, so I am very disappointed. My opinions stemmed from that disappointment. It probably is going to be an awesome bike. I wanna want one. Clayton #DirtDanceDesign -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] (Narrow) substitute for original issue Moustache bar with curves but less reach
A great new resource on Instagram is ‘Whatbars’. You can overlay handlebars on each other to compare on a grid. It is a fantastic resource. The handle bar library is growing every day. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Not MUSA but Very Riv
Wow! It’s so pretty, I’d run it, even if it was a horrible fit...and care less about its weight.朗 Thanks for the pictures and education. I guy I worked for in the nineties at Qranc, came up with the word IRIDIUM (I think that’s the word?) for Oakley. He said it was pure marketing BS, not a technology. The lenses were just lexan plastic. I think I remember he said the lens cost around 25 cents to make. I wonder what alloys are in Hiduminum. 樂 Thanks again Ron. Clayton DDD Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, November 16, 2018, 12:12 PM, Ron Mc wrote: Actually, Hiduminium and Duralumin go to prewar aircraft alloy trade names. People sure want Hardy flyreels made from these alloys. The GB Hiduminium stem is a damned good-looking stem. On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:57:51 AM UTC-6, Clayton wrote: ‘Hiduminum’ stem alloy! I’ve been looking for Hiduminum for awhile. Marketing never changes. Thanks for this post. Cool catalog. ClaytonDDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/WXMIA8oQoNg/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
John, you are correct. I misspoke. The middle ‘X’ on my photo is the median nerve. There goes my ‘my armchair expert’ status. My damage is mostly to both ulnar nerves, which is why I don’t like the Albastache, but my other nerves are affected too. On a hard ride, the wrong handlebar, tire pressure etc. can cause me to lose my grip on the handlebar, and unable to squeeze the brake lever. It scared me big time, the first time it happened, as it was my front brake and I had to stop quickly. Nothing there. It’s a very freaky feeling to lose something that has always worked unconsciously. After an hour at the side of the trail, I trusted my hand to finish the rest of the ride, after I lowered my air pressure, and slowed to a crawl. I don’t use padded gloves, because of the ulnar pressure. The search goes on for a time machine... I need to go back and make some changes. Thanks for the correction and the diagram. Clayton Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Friday, November 16, 2018, 10:14 AM, Surlyprof wrote: Clayton, The center is actually the Median nerve. The Radial runs closer to the ball of the thumb. Although there are several repetitive stress injuries that effect the hand, carpal tunnel issues effect the median nerve and can be brought on by trauma and repetitive stress (grocery clerks used to often get it until they redesigned the scanners). When the synovial sheath is swollen it puts pressure on the median nerve causing pain numbness usually in the index and middle fingers. Unfortunately, once the synovial sheath is swollen, it generates friction on the tendons which aggrevates it more. That swelling is why carpal tunnel is so hard to fix even with surgery. Many of the glove manufacturers learned to put pads on both sides of the median nerve but that tends to put pressure on the radial and ulner nerves. I’ve found that riding the front curves of the albastache tends to put the most pressure on the ulnar nerve. This diagram does a pretty decent job of showing what effects what: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/d2/63/00d263b0aef6950308611260909af357.jpg John An avid albastache fan who moves his hands around a lot to redistribute pressure as often as possible. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/dmrOBmIrdI4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Not MUSA but Very Riv
‘Hiduminum’ stem alloy!I’ve been looking for Hiduminum for awhile. Marketing never changes. Thanks for this post. Cool catalog. ClaytonDDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Thanks J, but I have had three back surgeries too, and their stem isn’t tall enough, due to the fact I bought a smaller frame than Grant would recommend, so I can run a suspension seat post. I have a 100 mm Nitto dirt drop, all the way up, to get the right fit. Rather funny looking but it works. I am stiff and can’t get low. If I have a custom frame made, which I probably should, it will have a sloping top tube and a tall head tube, so I can run a normal stem without six inches of spacers...and a suspension seat post (which I swear by, everyone should have one, they save energy as well as the back) and be able to use a short travel Hite Rite at the same time, for when I go bikepacking. Moving my saddle height around really helps with the back pain and stability in rough terrain. Dream bike would be a lugged Riv Gus Boots, with light steel, and a straight, but highly sloped top tube, with fancy paint and lugs, and geometry that works with drops, wide tires and moderate front load. Roadish, with a burly seat cluster optimized for the hite rite, with a grease pin hole. It should come with a woman I can date for free. And coffee. It should come with coffee too. ClaytonDDD Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 8:54 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote: You can use carbon 31.8 bars on your Atlantis with one of the VO 31.8 quill stems. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/dmrOBmIrdI4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Vibration is now my enemy. I have two carbon bikes, both with carbon handlebars which are very absorbent but air pressure is the thing that affects my hands the most. The higher the air pressure in my tires, the quicker my hand(s) go. I was kinda amazed at the difference in speed that my hands went numb at different pressures. Riding around with fifteen lbs. pressure is the sweet spot. I have to run drops so I can move my hands around, or they go numb. Flat bars don’t work for me either, as my weight goes on the outside edge of my palm. A wide, extremely flared drop bar lets me put my weight on the thumb web, or muscle area rather than the no-no spot. Carbon bars help me the most, but I can’t find a 26.0 dia. in an extremely flared drop carbon bar. Anyone know of one? One of the reasons I’m excited over the Boots is all the carbon bars I can chose from (the new Thompson gravel bar looks sweet). I firmly believe that the long one inch steerers and quill stems is one of the secret to the comfort of my Atlantis, so I think it would be a tie (with a stiff clamp on stem and larger diameter carbon bars on the Boots), if they were to get in a fight. The Boots fork looks comfy and not overbuilt, and with the bigger tires I’m making a guess that it would be as comfortable as my Atlantis, just slower around town, with 2.8s at fifteen psi to prevent vibration. Crap. Did I just talk myself out of a Boots? Sorry for the topic wander... Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
Ok, thanks Patrick!\Clay Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 11:19 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: Clayton, To post photos, switch to Desktop (bottom of the page), attache file. With abandon, Patrick, who has never experienced numbness with Albastache bars except when he should have worn mittens. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/dmrOBmIrdI4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
The nerve location is the same on most everyone. There are variations, but the general location is the same. The neurologist said to not put pressure there to avoid nerve damage, so I assume it would be the same for all cyclists or anyone who might suffer from repetitive impacts in that area. I just posted the photo, first up on #Dirtdancedesigns on instagram, showing where she drew the “X’s”, so people don’t have to dig. I can’t post photos here on my IPad yet. Haven’t figured it out. I love the looks of the Albastache, but the brake lever rotation problem (quick brake lever access is a big safety issue) and the nerve impingement issue killed it for me. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns (I sell nothing, so it’s not a sales push )... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
E. I chose “E”. The surgeon drew little “x’s“ on my hand and the surgeon said ‘No pressure here.’ I came home and went to work on a bar swap project and tried: Nitto 13’s off road drop, Salsa woodchipper, Albastache, Ahearn, Sycip singles bar, Carver Ti bar and original WTB drops from the eighties. The flat bars were the best for not hitting the ‘x’. Out of the rest, I chose the original WTBs with tons of padding to put the pressure on the fat thumb muscle, rather than the heal of my hand. The Albastache was the worst. I’m an ex firefighter paramedic with knowledge of anatomy and physiology I’ve had three carpal tunnel surgeries and have received lots of advice from MD’s on this... “I’m an armchair expert”. Most everyone’s nerve is in the same area. At the base of your palm, on the pinkie side, there is a bony lump. Just in front of it is where the ulnar nerve is, and is exactly where the Albastache’s outer curve hits, no matter where I put my hand. When evaluating bars, the first thing I check is nerve ‘clearance ‘. Buried somewhere in my Instagram feed is a picture of the ‘x’s’ she drew. #dirtdancedesigns .I can’t post photos or I would. Hand numbness sucks. Protect your nerves. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] No love for the Albastache?
My hand surgeon told me no. The albastache puts pressure on the ulnar nerve directly in almost all hand positions. Also no matter how I set them up, brake access sucks. I couldn’t get the levers low enough. Three unsuccessful carpal tunnel surgeries later, I actually listen now. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Experimental MIT Atlantis Build
My two cents...I run Paul’s long V-brakes, with Cane Creek drop bar V-brake levers. I put on long salmon mountain bike pads and the braking is phenomenally powerful, but I have to deflate my tire to remove the wheels, as the pads don’t clear the fork. They work better than my hydraulic discs on my mountain bike with better feel too. One finger on half power can lift the rear of my bike. I’ve become a big Paul fan. (If I get a Boots, I hope they clear a 2.8” tire, because I don’t want to go back to cantilevers).. I find the Cane Creek hoods a bit too square to be called comfortable. There is another brand who makes road levers for V-brakes too and I prefer their shape, which are a bit rounder. I can’t remember the brand, maybe Dia Comp? Regardless, they are the only two available for drop bar V-brakes that I’m aware of. Have fun! Clayton DirtDance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread
Lum, I can’t seem to load photos through my IPad. If you go to my Instagram account, DirtDanceDesigns, you can find photos there, as well as some of my hacks. I miss my computer. ☹️ Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread
My Atlantis weighs 31.4 lbs. as listed. I probably ride around five pounds heavier with a partial frame bag, top tube bag, rear Stuinniker bag with a Ti-bow lock, water bottle, windbreaker and tools. Frame-Toyo, 1998 era, powder coated Nitto 100mm dirt drop stem Nitto WTB dirt drop bars from the 1980’s Headset is a VeloOrange sealed bearing that is almost 20 years old. I have never pulled the seals or regreased it. No need. Carbon spacer Front Hub is a Son dynamo Rear hub is DT Swiss 350 Paul V-brakes Nitto M-12 front rack. Nitto medium rear rack from Riv Rims are DT Xr 425 Selle Anatomica leather and steel saddle Use carbon and aluminum laminated suspension seat post Greenfield rear mount kickstand with two brass loops, twined and shellaced. Luxo U front light heavily modified Rear tail light (wired with aluminum tubing to protect the wire along the rack). Kenda small block eight 2.35” tires Regular weight tubes SRAM XX1 mountain bike shifter heavily modified to work with drop bars Sram XX1 carbon cranks, single ring SRAM XX1 bottom bracket SRAM XX1 rear derailleur SRAM XX1 wide range cassette 11 speed Shimano large platform XT pedals Cane creek V-brake levers Two King cage Ti cargo three bolt carriers on the fork, bolted onto an aluminum strut that goes from the mid fork braze-on to a little ‘L’ bottom strut that bolts to the fork tip dropout. Three King cage stainless water bottle cages Cat eye urban computer Lizard skin bar tape over Grab On foam drop bar grips Anti theft skewers, regular seat clamp bolt plugged with Excellent, quality, bar end mirror I ordered off of Ebay from China. The diameter of the tube and wedge that slides into the handlebar was much too small, so I made an ABS shim. Not exactly ultra light, but excellent optics with just the right amount of fish eye. Shimano bulk cables and housing One Brooks handlebar plug Going from a three ring transmission to a lightweight single ring, carbon cranked one, was eye opening. I lose a little on each end, but I decide that coasting at speed was ok...I didn’t have to pedal Getting off to walk on the steepest trails was ok too. Carrying my bike up the stairs to my second floor apartment is now possible . Damn, I’m getting old Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Bike weight
My Atlantis weighs 31.4 lbs. as listed. I probably ride around five pounds heavier with a partial frame bag, top tube bag, rear Stuinniker bag with a Ti-bow lock, water bottle, windbreaker and tools. Frame-Toyo, 1998 era, powder coatedNitto 100mm dirt drop stemNitto WTB dirt drop bars from the 1980’sHeadset is a VeloOrange sealed bearing that is almost 20 years old. I have never pulled the seals or regreased it. No need. Carbon spacerFront Hub is a Son dynamoRear hub is DT Swiss 350Paul V-brakesNitto M-12 front rack.Nitto medium rear rack from RivRims are DT Xr 425Selle Anatomica leather and steel saddleUse carbon and aluminum laminated suspension seat post Greenfield rear mount kickstand with two brass loops, twined and shellaced. Luxo U front light heavily modifiedRear tail light (wired with aluminum tubing to protect the wire along the rack). Kenda small block eight 2.35” tiresRegular weight tubesSRAM XX1 mountain bike shifter heavily modified to work with drop barsSram XX1 carbon cranks, single ringSRAM XX1 bottom bracketSRAM XX1 rear derailleurSRAM XX1 wide range cassette 11 speedShimano large platform XT pedalsCane creek V-brake leversTwo King cage Ti cargo three bolt carriers on the fork, bolted onto an aluminum strut that goes from the mid fork braze-on to a little ‘L’ bottom strut that bolts to the fork tip dropout. Three King cage stainless water bottle cagesCat eye urban computer Lizard skin bar tape over Grab On foam drop bar gripsAnti theft skewers, regular seat clamp bolt plugged withExcellent, quality, bar end mirror I ordered off of Ebay from China. The diameter of the tube and wedge that slides into the handlebar was much too small, so I made an ABS shim. Not exactly ultra light, but excellent optics with just the right amount of fish eye. Shimano bulk cables and housingOne Brooks handlebar plug Going from a three ring transmission to a lightweight single ring, carbon cranked one, was eye opening. I lose a little on each end, but I decide that coasting at speed was ok...I didn’t have to pedal Getting off to walk on the steepest trails was ok too. Carrying my bike up the stairs to my second floor apartment is now possible . Damn, I’m getting old Clayton#DirtDanceDesigns. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread
Oh...A DahonNever mindI see your point. You have me wondering how my local Safeway would take to me using my Atlantis as a grocery cartSure would be simpler. No locking up the bike, getting a cart, forgetting my reusable bags, wiping off the slimy cart handle with handi wipes that are always dry, putting the groceries in the cart, unloading, scanning and plastic bagging them while getting dirty looks, recarting them, wheeling the cart out then block the sidewalk with my cart (more dirty looks), while I unload the shopping basket into the panniers, front basket and rear rack bag, then go to move my bike and realize its still locked to the rack (every time ). I like your way, way better.. Way. Load, scan, load. Done.Brilliant! ClaytonDDD Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, November 3, 2018, 4:13 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I entirely agree; the best stand for heavy rear loads, even rather assymetrical ones, was a $18 Greenfield dropout mount one. Problem is, this is a Dahon folder, and if you clutter up the left rear dropout area with one of those stands, it interferes with folding. I think I will remove the bb-mount stand and re-install my VO front wheel stabilizer; at least with that I can lean the bike up against shelves (I wheel the Dahon into the store as my grocery cart) and have it stay up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread
My bike falling over is extremely annoying, especially when something gets broken or scratched. I cannot begin to gush how much better a rear triangle mounted, Greenfield kickstand works, versus a chain stay mount. I just cannotI will not use a chain stay mount. I’d rather go without. Now that being said, I love my rear mount and wouldn’t think of taking it off. I’m in and out of my rack bag all the time and it does not fall over. When loading my groceries, I fill the rear left with some weight before loading the other bags. It never falls over. Esthetics(?) be damned. As with all kickstands, go light with the torque wrench when installingWAY more stable with loaded panniers than a bottom bracket install. Crap, I gushed. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread
Of course weight matters. When climbing. It also matters if you live in a walk up, like I do, and carry your bike up and down the stairs several times a day. I don’t like ‘stupid’ weight, where there is zero thought to weight in the design process. The basic bicycle is the greatest invention and should be treated with respect if you pray at the throne of Bikedom. That means no stupid heavy crap. Weight matters when climbing. I have a much nicer day climbing up into the Oregon Cascades on my very light S-works Crux, than I do on my full suspension mountain bike or Atlantis. It feels far easier and is quicker up hills. If I lived somewhere flat-ish, I wouldn’t care much about weight. I’d obsess over rolling resistance instead. But I live in Bend and all the fun rides are up. I enjoy my Atlantis more since I gave it an extreme drivetrain diet and dumped a pound or two. Esthetics: Most expensive and light components are kinda ugly and far from classic and warm. Most of the heavy stuff is cheap and ugly. There seems to be a narrow area where you get light, pretty and strong. Shopping seemed to get hard, so I went with lightweight, and against the Riv esthetics with my drivetrain. I am very fortunate that I was gifted a Sram XX1 gruppo which is now on my Atlantis. I am happier and lighter with getting rid of two chainrings, a full set of chain ring bolts, front shifter, derailleur and cable, and aluminum cranks. I have played with rear racks, going with a Tubus for awhile, but went to the heavier Nitto as I use a Nitto stem and Nitto WTB dirtdrops from the eighties and wanted some semblance of matchy-matchy. My bike is my only transportation and has been for many years, and a strong rear rack is important for rather heavy grocery loads, usually around forty to sixty pound loads. The Nitto rack has more sway than the Tubus as it isn’t triangulated, and it weighs more, but I prefer it. Weird. I guess matchy-matchy is more important than weight somewhere in my emotions, because it makes no sense. I am interested in how everyone pick a bike and components/accessories. Emotionally? Logically? A mix? How much do looks matter? Efficiency? I would think that most on here pick emotionally, as Rivendells tickle the beauty button and the Riv lifestyle is warm and easy, versus high tech plastic clothed people, and bikes with six hundred dollar power meters and computers and electronic shifting, who usually ride smileless doing intervals. I have high tech bikes and my Atlantis. I ride my Atlantis constantly, and my other bikes only to ‘train’ for summer bikepacking. My high tech plastic bikes are just appliances, and my Atlantis is a classic Triumph cafe motorcycle, which I LOVE. For me, I think it is the lugs. I want to emotionally bond and buy a Gus boots as my new “the one”, but the lack of lugs and other major issues, don’t twang my heartstrings. From past experiences I know the ride quality alone does not cover up an appliance. My Crux rides like a magic carpet, but is attractive like a cheap refrigerator. A bikepacking and car replacement bike needs to be a reasonable weight, at least here climbing in the Oregon Cascades, unless you are a masochist. A simple straight tubed frame with lugs and a sloping tube with 2.8 tire clearance would be my ultimate Riv. The sloping top tube would allow me to run a suspension seatpost AND a HiteRite for bikepacking, the lugs would make it beautiful and the simple clean design would be efficient both in rear cable routing and tubing weight. As of now, I am ‘weighting’ on the changes on the Gus before I have a custom lugged frame made, or buy a Ti bikepacker such as the Ti Fargo or Bearclaw. Heartstrings? Or less ‘shut up legs, the bike isn’t heavy’? I am curious on everyone’s feelings about how you decide on a bike so I can figure out how I decide. 類 浪 I think any bike I buy will be inferior to my Atlantis, and I fear the expensive purchase. How to decidesigh. I know it won’t be ‘stupid’ heavy (designed with no respect to weight) unless it is so beautiful I don’t care. I haven’t seen a bike like that though... Clayton #dirtdancedesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Wow. This thread died. Lack of interest in the Boots? Anyone heard the details on what’s being changed? I wanna want one. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] PURPLE RIV IN BICYCLE QUARTERLY
Sheeesh. I have never been corrected for making a compliment before. I was just being nice. I will concede I am socially clumsy, and have little practice. However.. Over the years, the drunk posts, the bickering, the snobs, the egos, the armchair experts are all taking a toll at the way I see Rivendell and the ‘scene’. Do I really want a new Riv? Not so much. The magic is gone and there are other makers. I herby change my compliment to: “The most royal Riv ever?” (Purple is the color of royalty.) Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] PURPLE RIV IN BICYCLE QUARTERLY
Coolest Rivendell ever? Most likely! Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] My wife's request for a bike tour
I did a three week tour of the Canadian Islands around Victoria island on the west coast. I really enjoyed it. No litter, nice people, great scenery and camping. Traffic was light and polite. The pastries are something I will always remember. Great bakers. It was a slow paced tour with rather low mileage as the islands are not that big. We explored an island for a couple of days, and then took a ferry to another. VERY enjoyable. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] New Rosco Cargo Mixte
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Thanks for the photo. I sorta mocked it up with a Limp dick stem and drops @dirtdancedesigns on instagram. I can’t seem to figure out how to post photos from my I-pad direct. I am leaning more and more to buying one, depending on what they do with the nine details to be changed. Clayton DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted
Wow. I keep trying to post, without luck I wanted this to be a dedicated bike packer, so my critique is my crybaby cry, OK? The rear brake cable routing..I saw this design on MalWart bikes in the eighties. As a mechanic back in the day, I worked on bikes with cable routing similar and the drag was huge if even slightly dirty. This design alone kills the bike for me, but I assume it is a mistake or detail that will be rectified. The curved top tube means common frame bags won’t fit for bikepacking. Lack of triple braze-ons on the fork for anything cages is a head scratcher for a travel bike, as they seem to be more popular than front lowriders. I am going to keep staring at the photo for a few hours a day to see if it grows on me.And wait to see what details will be changed before I commit to another brand. Clayton ddd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)
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[RBW] advice for attaching cork grips to chocos with bar end shifters
If you are grooving the grips for the cable, put the glue only under the bottom of the grip so the groove in the cork has some structural strength? (Or hairspray.) You could split the grips, wrap the bars with a single layer of cloth electrical tape, then bind on the grips with twine and varnish? Zero slip. Maximum safety. Ergon makes a cork anatomical grip that bolts on, but would not work well with a severely swept bar. I wonder how varnish would work for grip glue? Alcohol would clean the bars up well. I used cork grips for a bit, but didn’t like the feel (too hard), durability, and cleaning up the handlebars after removal. (I like Grab On touring grips, cut as long as possible for lots of hand roaming room and comfort. I use them on my flat bars, and under my handlebar tape too, due to carpal tunnel issues and advice from my surgeon). Clayton DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Not so permanent Basket + Rack
Thanks for all the support everyone. I am blushing. Trying to invent new simple stuff for my weird cycling world is very hard but rewarding. Hopefully, some of my ideas will inspire others to invent and make their own gear. The Stuinniker bags with their tool box buckles, are ninety five percent developed. There are a few little details I’d like to fix, but not enough to make a whole new kit. Thanks again. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Not so permanent Basket + Rack
I have a quick release basket I made using a tool box buckle. You’ll have to dig around in my Instagram photos to find them, as I can’t seem to post photos here. It works great. I have been using it for years and am car-less, so it has seen a lot of use. Clayton Bailey #DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks
I had a nightmarish vision that the new Basket Rack from Nitto, is going to be a gigantic platform rack with little wire loops welded on the platform for zip ties. Shudder. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks
I was dumb and had to overload my M-12 with a 25 lb. bag of birdfeed. It sagged ever so slightly. I believe that it is made from Hi tensile steel and not Chromo. When I was installing it, I had to do a bit of tweaking to get it to work with my Paul V-brakes and it bent much easier than I was expecting. A real head scratcher... I wonder why Nitto doesn’t make a Chromo version to fend off injuries and lawsuits? I’d pay extra for a chromo version, just for the peace of mind. Just about everyone runs a basket on these racks, so overloading it is a given. Come on Nitto, get with the new ‘bikepacking’ needs! Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Reflections On My Riv and A Weight Loss Program
Lose the double kickstand and the wheel lock and get a Titanium bow lock. Replace the kickstand with a rear triangle mounted one like a Greenfield. Like you, I originally didn’t worry too much about the weight of my Atlantis. I ordered a double kickstand as that was what everyone said was the Bees knees, but it was ridiculously heavy. My old Tubus rack was lighter than my current Nitto if for additional weight savings too, but the esthetics are not quite as nice on a Riv. Here is a link for the lock: https://www.tigrlock.com/store/tigrmini/?utm_content=99 Then there is a single chainring set up, with carbon cranks and a hollow bottom bracket which is very expensive, but would dump a lot of weight. I have them on my Atlantis. Last little bit of advice. lift weights. I am 62 and the muscles are falling off my body, so I lift light weights to stay functional. I live on a second floor walk up, and I live without a car, so my bike gets carried up my stairs daily (my weight lift program). I get it. For technique, I reach down with my right hand and grab the seat tube (over the top tube) down around the front derailleur area, and with my left I grab the front rack to lift the front wheel above the stairs. A leather handle just adds weight. Lightening a bike is about taking stuff off. And last, but not least, lightening a bike is a rabbit hole and can get expensive. I love my Atlantis and have been slowly perfecting it and lightening it over the past twenty years. Name you bike “Lola”, because she always get what she wants, . I hope this helps. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Motolite or other v-brake clearance
My long Pauls are about 3.5” from center of pad carrier to center of the straddle cable, but the noodle carrier sits lower, about a 1/2” clear above my 2.35 “ low knobbies. Clayton #DirtDance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?
Due to carpal tunnel, and several surgeries, I use Grab On foam ‘slide on’ drop bar grips, covered with Lizard Skins thickest tape. My tape is about three years old and still looks new. The first time I installed it, I ruined it by pulling too tight when wrapping. If you go to my Instagram page, #DirtDanceDesigns, I just posted a picture with marks on my hand that my doctor drew on, where to NOT put pressure on your hands to prevent nerve damage. If you look at photos of my Atlantis, you can get an idea on how fat my bars are. Clayton DDD -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?
Steve, I am 62 years old and have been riding for thirty years, using my Atlantis for daily transportation since 1999. I have a good understanding of what I need in a bike. My entire bike packing load is less than fifteen pounds. It has to be, because I tour up in the Oregon Cascades on single track and double track, once I climb the twenty miles and a climb few thousand feet to get there. Right now, I am having a hard time packing my bike for a three day tour, because it’s so damn hot and the wild land fire smoke can roll in, with a change in the wind. Anywhoo, yes the weight difference is important. Only by sweating over every gram, and always choosing the lighter way, have I been able to get my load light. It took twenty years of refining my touring load. When I first started, I had a forty to fifty pounds worth of crap on my bike and climbing was not fun, and kept me on paved roads. I make all my own bike packing bags because I enjoy trying to design something new, which is really hard in the cycling world. I live with the Atlantis’s weight, because the bike is perfect for my severely battered body (12 surgeries, knees, back, wrists, elbow). It fits. Like an old pair of broken in boots. I have two carbon bikes, a S-works Crux (insanely light and quite absorbent for a rigid) and an Ibis Mojo 3 with 2.5” tires. I could bikepack on either one, but I never have. They have no soul, and they would hamper my connection with Nature. Sounds weird, but I guess a comparison would be going for a hike in moccasins versus bright yellow, foam hiking shoes with pink lightening bolts on the side. There is a better connection to the earth with the moccasins. Same with steel frames. For the Earth, of the Earth and it will only oxidize into the dirt. Since I am a Dirt Dancer, it feels proper... Rivendell, in name, attitude and products is all about being a nature bike deep down, and Dammit, I want a fully lugged plus bike named after something that lives in the woods. (“Mr. Natural”, hmmm... a Mr. Crumb co branded bike?) Back to packing my bike. I can’t decide whether or not to carry my Swiss Army knife now. Treehugger Clayton DirtDance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?
Stems. Threadless is a lighter system by quite a bit. Two things it lacks is adjustability and comfort. My long quill stem and the one inch steerer flex quite comfortably. I think it is one of the secrets to the Atlantis’s adoration. It is far easier to raise and lower your handlebars too, but that matters when? Just once usually. Not really an issue. Aesthetically I think quill wins. I was hoping for a lugged plus frame but fillet sounds pretty cool too, like the old high end Ritchey and Fisher frames from back in the day. I’d like a thread-less stem as this could be my next bike packing bike and ‘car’ ( I bought a Crust LD stem to build a bike around ) and it’s a lighter system. I’d like discs but am fine with rim brakes. Kind of. They suck in the winter in the ice and snow and snow plow grit eats up rims. Discs are quicker, cheaper and easier to replace. I hope that Paul’s V-brakes clear a 2.8’ tire. Looking at my bike with 2.35’ tires, I’m not sure... I have more chainring clearance over rocks and drops since I changed my transmission over to SRAM XX1 on my Atlantis, so I don’t think the new bike is worth me swapping to at this point. Ground clearance was my only real issue with the single track capability of the Atlantis. The new bike isn’t lugged. Sob..sob... I could change my mind in a minute if it has cool colors and a stellar name... Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Space Behind Seat Tube on LWB Bikes
Collin, I have my tent poles in a 500d Cordura bag I made and I lash it to the seat tube with Revelate straps. The bag helps protect the frame a bit, and the Revelate straps prevent any movement, rattles and wear. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Space Behind Seat Tube on LWB Bikes
Colin, great name. My sons name is Colin. I have my tent poles in a cordura bag I made, to help protect the paint. I use two Revelate straps to hold it firmly to the seat tube to prevent rattles and wear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Thoughts on Space Behind Seat Tube on LWB Bikes
On my Toyo Atlantis, my new UL Big Agnes one man tent poles fit behind the seat tube with a millimeter in length clearance, running 2.35 tires. If I had a smaller frame, the poles would be too long. I was quite delighted to find they fit. I was straping my old tent poles on the side of my rear rack parallel to the ground and the poles stuck out the rear. My setup is now nice and compact. Thanks Grant for leaving room! Clayton DirtDance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses
I tip my hat to you, Jim. You are a brave man for corralling this herd of cats... Thanks. May all our egos, laugh at themselves...u..wait? Ourselves..Dammit. Clayton DirtDance On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:52:37 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: > > The tenets of this group have not changed. It's right there in the top > line - "...a respectful, supportive and polite tone in all posts." > > I never expected that everyone would agree with everyone else in every > post. The world would truly be a much more boring place if that were the > case. > > But excessive umbrage and accusations and generally going toe-to-toe in > recent threads which should have been innocuous makes me a bit concerned. > Hopefully, this was just an early example of the February crankiness that > pops up on this list when folks have not gotten out to ride enough. > > There are a few things in those escalating threads which catch my > attention. > > One is a statement which described a post as hastily made. There's not a > thing so time-dependent on this group that anyone needs to shoehorn an > immediate response between the business of the day. If someone insults you, > let it stand. The previous conversational contributions made to this group > present enough of a body of evidence as to whether any insult is valid or > ludicrous. We all have a sense of the personalities behind the comments, > especially if we've been involved in this list for any length of time. The > need to respond immediately does not exist here. There are better venues > for that. If you find yourself hammering out (or tapping out) (or dictating > to a transcription bot) a quick response, maybe you don't need to post it. > > Because words are tough. > > We see it play out time and time again. All we get are the words. No body > language or tone. No micro musculature movement on the face to defuse or > contextualize the words. An innocuous post taken the wrong way. Something > triggers someone and suddenly the conversation is in a death spiral towards > "So's yer old man!" > > I think we're better than that. > > Because we're human, that isn't always the case. > > So, let's give one another the opportunity to be wrong, hold an opinion we > don't agree with, miss the point entirely or explore an idea clumsily. If > you are the smartest person in the room, let the rest of us catch up > occasionally. Pretend it's a group ride where no one gets dropped. > > There were also a few things in the threads which heartened me. > > Group members stepped in to diffuse the situation, putting themselves in > the line of fire to let everyone sit back down and enjoy the music. Thank > you. > > That said, what now? > > Will we continue to get teased by the popular social venues into being the > first responder? Having an answer rather than considering a thoughtful > response? Will this group become a value-added buy/sell/trade sheet? Will > we continue to find commonality or seek to contrast only our differences? > Will Timmy hang on to the cracking tree branch over the chasm while Lassie > finds the ranger? Wait. Sorry. Ignore that last line. > > My point, as always, is that the quality of this group is up to us. Let's > move forward with a commitment to that idea. > > Thanks to everyone for their ongoing contributions to this group. > > - Jim > > Jim Edgar / rbw group admin > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant
Sigh, it is only this thread, that has gone off the bike tires and into politics. There are lots of other threads. If you *support* the current Republican party, no matter how you paint your moral compass, you are still complicit. Morality is not flexible. There are no grey areas. I tire of people in society excusing themselves to themselves. The current Republican *party * is immoral. Not individuals. I am painting a broad stroke with a broad statement, and I apologize to those I have offended, but the Republican party is full of bigots, white terrorists and church burners. Like Nazi's. 'You' are either moral, and support those who are, or you're not. Black and white. This has far more to do with being good, and making the world a better place than politics. My male elders all fought in WW2 and taught me the lessons of the Nazi party and how they took over the morality of society. Same crap, different country. It's truly shameful. We are being conquered from moral rot, from the 'moral, Christian, family party'. Big eye roll. Guns and children getting killed by the hundreds in our schools. It is a high school social media thing now... Who can raise the body count and kill the most bullies? The NRA is the Republican armed forces for Gods sakes. More Americans were killed by domestic terrorism by far, than foreign terrorists before 911. Most all of them were Republicans. I don't know of many Democrats in that terrorism line up, do you? Meanwhile, with the Republicans support, thousands of Americans die every year from gun violence. Far more than any terrorist attacks from immigrants. As a Paramedic, I dealt with lots of dead people, shot full of holes on the streets, and 'you' didn't. Gun supporters don't see their children die on the streets. I did. Guns are a pompous hobby, dressed up as a patriotic right. Meanwhile your drunk neighbor just shot his whole family(In this day and age, guns would never prevent a despot from taking over. They would just cut off the power and internet and we would be fighting each other. All they would have to do is waitlol.). Make a list of the good and bad of each party, then choose the moral one. It is a very simple choice. Oh, yeah.and there is that Trump dude. He has to go. And the 'killing the planet thing' toowe have to stop that. Be true to thine self. Clayton DD (note: 'You' is a broad stroke to cover everyone who hasn't woken up and realized they are immoral) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant
To the Republican members of this group, As a sixty two year old man, who still suffers from the effects of child abuse, child neglect and abandonment, I say without any reservation, and with great passion, that taking children away from their parents is one hundred percent wrong. The children are innocent. If you believe otherwise, you are a brainless, heartless dick. There is no way you could ever win this argument. In my experience in the states, when an adult with children is arrested, almost always, there are grandparents, the spouse, aunts and uncles to take care of the children when the parent is put in the back seat. I know this, because I worked the streets as a Firefighter Paramedic. The argument that children are taken away from family, when parents are arrested north of the border is mostly BS. As a matter of fact, the Republican party right now is just a big pile of lying shit, and I can't wait to vote them out. Child abusers. We sit here an bicker while the Earth is burning. The Paris accord is the most important thing on the table right now, and Trump pulls out. Idiot. I wish Americans were more intelligent. At least this group is smart enough to ride bikes. Ok, I said my piece. I won't get sucked into an argument with any of you, so don't bother responding to this. Just had to get that off my chest after reading some of these posts Divisive, rude, arrogant, looking down my nose, bad, abused child, evil, horrible, brown skin loving, hard core caring liberal Sure to be hated now, Clayton DirtDance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles
I wanted to mention to not over tighten the leather. *Tighten it just enough to take out the slack*. My tension bolt would loosen on it's own, as there wasn't enough leather tension to keep the bolt from unwinding. I used blue Locktite on the nose bolts, and tensioned them just enough to take the slack out. You sit *'in it'* more than a Brooks, more like a hammock. Tension and tilt are a bit finicky to get right, but when you do, experience butt bliss. Beware of over tightening, and adjust when the leather is cold and it should last a long time. My heaviest use saddle is going on four years old and I have years (of tension bolt length) left. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Anyone have anything to say about theirs? > Like it? > Compared to Brooks? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Socketed Seat Lug on a Hunqapillar
I would think that the socketed seat cluster would be stronger and heavier. There is quite a bit more surface area for the brass/silver to adhere to, in the sockets and on the ball. Clayton #DirtDanceDesigns On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 4:25:13 AM UTC-7, Peter White wrote: > > It's easier to get a fillet wrong. I got one wrong when I was building > frames 20 years ago and it cracked. If you get the fillet right it can be > lighter and more attractive. But if I were designing a frame to be > inexpensive to make and strong, I'd forget about using fillets. > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:43 PM Stephen W. > wrote: > >> I'm not a frame builder. But I have a question for those that certainly >> know more about bicycles/frames/lugs. Is the new socketed lug as strong, >> perhaps stronger, than brazing the seat stays to the outside of the lug? >> Just wondering. >> >> I've attached some pics, I think. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Stephen >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Peter White > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
