Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.
The Soma Vitesse are awfully close to my estimation and at $35 a pop look pretty good -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: OT: know anything about motorcycles?
On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 9:06:22 PM UTC-4, drew wrote: > So a while back, i bought some property in the mountains and it came with 2 > dirt bikes. They aren't street legal, or attractive, or very high end. We've > spent the last year semi renovating the cabin, clearing the land of years of > brush pile up, but we've finally gotten to the point where we are starting to > try to go through some of the stuff in the garage. I have no use for 2 non > street worthy, ugly yamahas, but after a little research, it looks like i can > get about 3500$ for the pair. > > > after thinking about it, i think a (single) motorcycle would be useful and > fun to have up there. im trying to figure out what that type of thing would > be and, since ive never had any interest in motorcycles, the internet info is > overwhelming. i know some of you guys ride all types of bikes, so im hoping > to get some direction. > > > here is what i'm thinking > -3500$ or less > -good on roads and dirt roads. not interested in jumps or anything crazy, but > it will have to be able to go off pavement comfortably > -reliable/durable/parts easily found and cheap. > -rivish... weird to say, but if anyone, you'll know what i mean. uniquely > pretty, versatile, not overly mechanically complex, able to carry a small > load and do more than one thing well > > > So far i've been looking at late 70's/early 80's off road yamahas and hondas. > > > Anyone have any online resources, makes/models/years that would work, > thoughts, ideas etc. Years back I had a cross enduro bike doing exactly what you described. It was a Honda XL250. I would not get a bike with a bigger engine than that so its easy and not too heavy to carry and if you spent enough time in the woods there will be times when you may have to carry it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why no 650b Roadeo?
On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 3:57:32 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote: > It would be one of two next in my sights for a bike purchase if they made > 650b. > > > I wonder why not? > I know it is their answer to road bikes, but a 650b bike would be just as > snappy. I dont think there is a right or a wrong answer to this question. Each builder has its own version of the response to the 700c vs. 650b question. Boulder bicycles was mentioned; Mike Kone's website includes his version of the response. Grant has his own version as do Jan Heine and Jeff Lyons to name a few. My personal view is that there is no magic wand in either and 650b makes more sense in certain frame sizes than others assuming your road biking is on relatively smooth paved roads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Wanted: 650b Rear Wheel, or Advice on Which to Buy
You seem to have a very good grasp on what could possibly go wrong with the eBay wheels which, as you said, are the "budget price" wheels. If you know how to stress relief and equalize tensions you may be able to get them reliably true. The Zac 19 rims are based on the Rigida Sphinx extrusion. As a matter of fact both Weizmann and Rigida are owned by the same company now so the Zac 19 is a rebadged Sphinx. Hubs wise you got what you got and thats a very inexpensive hub. Nothing to be done about it. As far as fitting tires on these rims, it depends on the tire. Deep well rims do have problems locking the tire beads. You may need to build the well up. See how JH is doing it : https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/mounting-tires-on-rims-with-deep-wells/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Mavic Open Pro and dynamo wheel question
There is absolutely no reason why the Pro's could not be fitted on a dynamo hub. I have built a couple of sets using Archetypes (kinda similar type rim although much more consistent quality than today's Pros) and used for thousands of miles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?
If one believes that the XT diiscussion here is purely circumstantial or anecdotal and wants more proof then a basic Google search on the subject would show a lot of unfavorable comments on what XT developed to be. Plain and simple. Most people do not make negative comments on a product if they are not deserved. Pano PS. I am a Shimano man and also prefer cup and cone hubs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?
I have the WI MI5 on my Riv and I am very pleased with it. The wheels are built using H+Son TB-14 rims and 36 Sapim Race spokes. A word of caution on the newer XT hubs; the replacement of the steel axles with aluminum resulted in smaller diameter bearing balls to allow for the increase in axle diameter. The result is compromised longevity. The Deore LX is a better hub for touring applications if you want Shimano Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Why'd me tire blow?
Another vote of agreement on what Steve and Bill described as the probable cause. Sometimes the bead is not fully locked in place, the inflated tire lifts it off the rim enough for the tube to sneak out and booom! The tube explodes! It has happened to me with latex tubes. Tube folding and locking in place was (is) notorious with flat shape clinchers with open tubular casings like the Challenge Strada Bianca, PR etc. There lots of talcum powder helps as is inflating and deflating the tire couple of times to unfold the tube inside the tire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Second (lighter) wheelset for my Atlantis?
@Patrick Moore Patrick, I dont have any readily recalled studies on the subject to quote. I have consistently seen 32mm tires to be referred to as the optimum combination between comfort, speed and responsiveness for 700c rims and road geometry and 38mm tires for 650B rims. A few years ago I had a lengthy discussion on the subject with Mike Kone of Boulder Bicycle on the subject with the same conclusion. I also see most builders staying around the 32mm tire size for their sportier road frames. The Rivendell Roadeo follows the same principles with the 33mm JBs in contrast to the rest of the Riv line. I recall BQ having published the results of one of JH's tests on How Wide is Wide Enough (paraphrasing here!); I'm not quite sure but if I recall correctly above 32mm there were diminishing returns when on smooth roads (I hope I'm not misquoting this; I will try to find the edition when I have some time) as inflation pressure is reduced as the tire size (width) increases. My personal observations and resulting preferences are 28-32mm on my go-fast bikes, 35 on my go-nice and 50+ on my go-over everything and anything, all 700c wheels with 17c rims. Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Second (lighter) wheelset for my Atlantis?
I would also suggest using narrower tires to the tune of 32 or 33 mm for the 700c wheels. Assuming the OP is on relatively smooth tarmac, the 700c x 32mm combo is supposed to be the optimum for this "lively" feel without sacrificing too much comfort. Pano On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 11:51:07 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > This is very true as a principle, but if John is already using Compass > tires, even the standard model -- I take it that from his "beefy" > qualification, it' not the extralight -- then gains from switching are > probably going to be far less than switching from, say, one of the heavier > Marathons. > > What do others find from switching from Compass's standard to extralight > casings, with the same model of tire? > > I take it that we can leave suppleness out of the question here, assuming > that the SP standard's casing isn't all that less supple than any of the EL > casings? > > The Snoqualmie EL weighs 50 gr less than the S; even the Bon Jon EL is > only 76 grams lighter. If you switched to the Stampede EL, you'd save about > 120 grams per wheel, but I don't know if that is enough to make the bike > feel noticeably friskier. > > Perhaps rims + tires will make a noticeable difference. What rims are you > using? I'm not all that familiar with 700 c road rims, but for example, if > you are using Rhyno Lights, say, at ~700 grams/wheel, and switched to, say, > a Mavic M40 at 200 grams lighter, and switched from the SP standards to the > Stampede EL -- theoretical 320-350 grams per wheel saving -- you'd feel a > noticeable difference. > > But! I've found that there are all sorts of other things that make a bike > feel "lively", and, again IME, it's not limited to frame tubing and wheel > weight. I've found more than once that bikes with heavier tubing and > mediocre tires somehow feel faster* than others with lighter tubing or > better tires** and have attributed this to geometry and body position. > > * My former Herse had been passed on by 2 other experienced riders because > its tubing was too heavy. I had it shod with Paselas (non-TG) or perhaps > IRC Tandems (~29 mm) -- certainly nothing fancy. The bike was certainly > heavier than that '73 Motobecane. But it felt faster. Ditto for my very > early Schwinn Tempo: tank, cheap tires. I'm not denying at all that tires > are not the principal improvement after fit and wind resistance, but other > factors may well be in play her, given the conditions of the question as > discussed above. > > FWIW, although saving 2 lb per wheel by switching from 800 gram rims and > 800 gram tires + 200 gram tubes to road-bike-weight rims and 360 gram tires > on the Fargo certainly made a difference, it didn't make as much difference > as that between say the Herse and the Motobecane. (Not that the Motobecane > was sluggish; it just didn't encourage me to gear up the way the Herse did. > Aside: I sold the Herse because it's load carrying and handling qualities > were not what I wanted. The ride and fit and feel was were wonderful.) > > ** I judge this by repeatedly finding that certain bikes are easier to > pedal in given gears in given conditions. > > So: what? I dunno! I'll be interested to hear what you do. > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:49 AM, panog > > wrote: > >> >> >> In my opinion, if "lively'" is what you seek, I would look first at tires >> and tubes, then rims. These are the primary contributors. Hubs would be the >> very, very distant fourth. >> >> Hope it helps >> >> Pano >> >> -- >> > On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 11:51:07 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > This is very true as a principle, but if John is already using Compass > tires, even the standard model -- I take it that from his "beefy" > qualification, it' not the extralight -- then gains from switching are > probably going to be far less than switching from, say, one of the heavier > Marathons. > > What do others find from switching from Compass's standard to extralight > casings, with the same model of tire? > > I take it that we can leave suppleness out of the question here, assuming > that the SP standard's casing isn't all that less supple than any of the EL > casings? > > The Snoqualmie EL weighs 50 gr less than the S; even the Bon Jon EL is > only 76 grams lighter. If you switched to the Stampede EL, you'd save about > 120 grams per wheel, but I don't know if that is enough to make the bike > feel noticeably friskier. > > Perhaps rims + tires will make a
[RBW] Second (lighter) wheelset for my Atlantis?
I have had excellent results with H+Son Archetype and TB-14 (box section) rims. Another excellent, although significantly pricier, choice is the HED C2 Belgium and also the tubeless-ready HED Belgium Plus. The HED Belgium Plus is wider (internal width) than the rest although all of them are wide enough for the tire size you mentioned. If you want to run your SPs tubeless the HED Plus is the only tubeless-ready rim from the bunch. All of these rims run are in the 460-480 gram range compared to the Atlas's 620 grams. Hub wise there are some weight savings to be realized although the $/gram-saved justification is arguably in need of one's subjective evaluation. If you decide going down that route the cartridge bearings White Industries MI5 is an excellent choice (not just on weight savings) and will save you about 130 grams over the more widely used cup and cone Shimano LX. In my opinion, if "lively'" is what you seek, I would look first at tires and tubes, then rims. These are the primary contributors. Hubs would be the very, very distant fourth. Hope it helps Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Does anybody ride 75+ km with non-drop-bar handlebars?
@Deacon Patrick Wind resistance. Wind resistance of an erect upper body, specially against a head-on wind, is a significant draw of power if one is to maintain a set speed. If this set speed is in the mid to upper teens, aerodynamic drag is a significant factor to overcome and becomes much more of an issue when one's speed is even higher. On a long trip, this extra power simulates constant climbing regardless if the land is flat. Anyone who has spent time cycling on coastal areas is well aware of this. The difference in speed is in mph not in the milliseconds I think you mentioned (at least to my experiences). Bending your elbows and tucking could be tolerated for a while but I dont find this to be a sustainable position because the pain on your lower back after 20 miles or so of maintaining this position will be significant in addition to pain on other sensitive parts of your body from the upward tilted saddle. Tucking is a temporary, intermittent measure, not the same thing as being stretched over the cockpit for long stretches at a time. Yes, people have been logging miles and miles on upright positions but they do that on low speeds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Does anybody ride 75+ km with non-drop-bar handlebars?
Lots of good info on this thread and in particular the point about looking at the whole setup, not just the type of bars, to combat hand pain. I use Albastache bars on my upright-est bike and the overall setup makes for a very comfortable ride. I also use the widest saddle I have ever used (Brooks B17) and have it tilted upwards the most I have ever done. As with my more aggressive setups, my upright cockpit allows elbows to be kept bend and hands to habitually rotate positions on the bars. As allready discussed on this thread, there are several pluses on this setup but there is also one minus and that is loss of speed for the same input of power, all else equal, and although speed quite possibly is insignificant to you at your current predicament it may become a consideration later on. Just another data point to consider along with the rest. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Atlantis Rebuild Ideas
I'll give you an idea and that is before you go all out with a new groupset try the Albastache first to see how you like the more upright setup. These bars will put you close to where the Choco will and you don't have to change anything else to try them out. Your levers, barcons, derailleurs, etc will work just fine with the Albastache. There is a very good chance that you may like them enough to keep them on. Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?
In some strange way, e-cycling seems to address several of Grant's philosophies on what cycling ought to be. Comfort, broad use, accessibility, the whole "Just Ride" approach away from the marketed "racing " utopian approach of the later decades. Add to these the good feeling of increased speed, not having to get off and push the bike up a hill and overall the good feeling of not being overly moderated by one's physical limitations and you could clearly see why e-bikes are catching on. RBW is faced with hard business realities either way, as this appears to be significantly broader than rim brakes vs. disks, barcons vs. STI, or 9-speed vs. 11-speed. Adapting to this technology involves financial engagement beyond perceived comfort levels and staying put could eventually shrink their nitch to an even tighter spectrum. To make things even more challenging, the recent RBW marketing direction of reducing bicycle ownership costs to attract more riders seems to be in polar opposites with the e-bike market trend of attracting more riders by allowing them to "buy" more comfort and performance and this appeal to the non-cycling enthusiasts is expected to become even more pronounced as e-drive prices fall due to supply and demand. Personally, I like my pedaling the way it is and I dont see me on a e-bike any time soon, things being what they now are. Down the road, who knows? I do know that I immensely enjoy cycling and I like to keep at it until the end of the road, one way or another. Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?
A year ago it would be remarkable if I saw one ebike a month. Yesterday I saw three during the morning commute alone. They are not coming, they are here and when they become cheaper to buy there will be many, many more. If ebiking makes cycling approachable to more people, I'd welcome it. More riders on the road means better infrastructure and better mainstream awareness for all of us, electrified or not. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Handlebar Bliss
The Albastache also tend to shorten your reach which may help with the neck pain if you tend to roll your shoulders with your current cockpit. However be aware that upright, speed and long distance sometimes become a tough combination. Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Handlebar Bliss
I use The Albastache on my comuter. I like them for a more upright position with the bars at saddle height. Anoth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Bar bag for the Riv Bullmoose bar?
The Acorn handlebar bag is another choice. It hangs straight because it's reinforced with a dowel across its width. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] rattles n' squeaks
Sometimes self adhesive weather stripping or pieces of tubing slit and put around the rack tubing may help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood Identity Crisis. Tire recommendations needed.
IMO, wider rims, wider tires and clincher open tubular casing construction have brought the gap between clinchers and tubulars much, much closer together from when rims were sized at 13c or 15c, clincher pressures were at 120+ psi and tire sidewalls were unyielding. I am also of the opinion that gravel, hard packed or loose, is best handled with tire width rather than knobs. Knobs are best for mud. Smooth tread tires with a file pattern can do very well on asphalt and gravel roads. My 700c preferences are up to 33mm on roads and up to 38mm on gravel for a typical geometry road bike unless the bike was specifically designed for larger size tires. On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 6:49:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote: > > > If I wanted truly exceptional wheels and tires I wiuld not even be riding > clinchers, but tubulars. And no , not even the best clinchers come close. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood Identity Crisis. Tire recommendations needed.
Panaracer made Soma Supple Vitesse at 33mm for paved and 38mm for gravel/mixed. Supple walls, open tubular casing construction. Available standard or extra light. About $45 from Outside Outfitters. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: regarding orange bikes
and there is a good reason for that.everybody knows that orange is the fastest color On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 10:31:12 AM UTC-4, Mathew Greiner wrote: > > I've owned two orange bikes and one orange couch. One was a used mountain > bike (not the couch). The shop I bought it from had a sign on it that said, > "*This is a good bike, but you should buy it because it is ORANGE!"* > Always fun. No regrets. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: i need a new helmet
Good deal and excellent helmet if you like Burgundy https://www.specialized.com/us/en/men/helmets/16helmetroadairnet-ltd-115961/115961 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement
Actually 3 questions, if we add the "where to stop adding more suppleness to an already supple tire?". I absolutely agree with your statement regarding the esoteric nature of the perceived handling differences between wheel sizes simply due to the fact that the absolute judge of what feels best (beyond the kool-aid dispersed by the experts) is one's self and one can only judge what they are aware of or most often perceive as being best. I dont remember if it was a published BQ article or a JH blog entry that once said that JH found loosing "nimbleness" on 700c wheels when tire size exceeded 32 mm and that was the predominant reason behind moving to 650Bx38 or x42 to regain it. What this means? To me, nothing more than that JH prefers 650Bx38 over 700cx35 or wider for his riding. Same with Jan's preference of the super supple (extralight) over the standard supple casings. Should the casual rider be influenced by JH's preferences? IMO, I tend to be between Maybe and Not, because they may never realize the benefits they believe exist. Should the higher performance rider be influenced by JH's preferences? IMO, if one's riding style, ability, cadence, posture etc are similar to Jan's and they are riding on similar tarmac and for as long as Jan does then one would expect some gains to be harvested by mimicking what Jan does. After having drunk my fair share of kool-aid over the years I have come to the realization that with bicycles in particular, one needs to separate between what's merely true and what's important. To me and my cycling exposure, the need for the extralight casings is just noise; I do use open tubular type clinchers with supple walls and there I draw the line for a number of reasons. When and if I need lower rolling resistance then I use latex tubes. Another consideration on wheel performance, when taken to the nth degree via extralight casings etc, is the effect of aerodynamic drag on the fendered, high spoke, box rimed, bulbous profile wheel which makes one bring into prospective where to draw the line on dialing the rubber rolling resistance. On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:52:57 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > ...*snipped*. > > We've got 2 questions going on here, optimum wheel size and casing > suppleness. I rather think that the question of how wheel size affects > handling is more "esoteric" than that of casing suppleness, which I guess > is available to anyone who rides above a jogging speed. > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 7:47 PM, panog > > wrote: > >> The principal benefit of the greater suppleness is reduced rolling >> resistance, reduced hysteric losses and thus greater speed for the same >> watt input. >> The real question though is at which point we have diminishing returns. I >> dont think that this is a one-answer-fits-all as I believe its greatly >> dependent on the ability and expertise of the rider and his equipment to >> harness the marginal increase in performance. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement
The principal benefit of the greater suppleness is reduced rolling resistance, reduced hysteric losses and thus greater speed for the same watt input. The real question though is at which point we have diminishing returns. I dont think that this is a one-answer-fits-all as I believe its greatly dependent on the ability and expertise of the rider and his equipment to harness the marginal increase in performance. On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 5:04:29 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > Yeah, but his tests were to my judgment not conclusive. How do you "prove" > that this handling is better than that? And for whom? Once again, my own > experience, which is extensive, if not as extensive as Jan's, contradicts > this opinion. > > > The principal benefits of the extralights is not weight, or principally > weight, as far as I know, it's the greater suppleness of the casings. > > > > > > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:51 PM, panog wrote: > > Yes he did and he included a series of his tests in BQ to back up the claim. > I dont think JH is alone on the assessment of the 32s being optimum size for > 700c wheels. Another who comes to mind is Mike Kone of Boulder Bicycle. > I am of the understanding that sizes beyond that are focused more in comfort > at the expense of handling or speed. Furthermore, one aspect that appears to > be often overlooked is the effect of a significantly taller tire installed on > a road bicycle originally designed for a BB spaced to accommodate up to 32mm > tires, regardless if such tire fits the fork or chainstays. > Granted, unless one pushes the bike up to higher performance ranges (and has > a bike that is specifically designed to comply to such actions), these > theories maybe largely insignificant although true. However, if that's the > case, why one would care about sacrificing the incremental benefits of the > extralights over the standard casings? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement
Yes he did and he included a series of his tests in BQ to back up the claim. I dont think JH is alone on the assessment of the 32s being optimum size for 700c wheels. Another who comes to mind is Mike Kone of Boulder Bicycle. I am of the understanding that sizes beyond that are focused more in comfort at the expense of handling or speed. Furthermore, one aspect that appears to be often overlooked is the effect of a significantly taller tire installed on a road bicycle originally designed for a BB spaced to accommodate up to 32mm tires, regardless if such tire fits the fork or chainstays. Granted, unless one pushes the bike up to higher performance ranges (and has a bike that is specifically designed to comply to such actions), these theories maybe largely insignificant although true. However, if that's the case, why one would care about sacrificing the incremental benefits of the extralights over the standard casings? On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > > I remember Jan saying something about 32s being the optimal size for 700c > on pavement. I can fit true 38s under my fenders, but perhaps that would be > better suited to dirt or gravel. Or has the thinking moved on since then? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement
I use the standard casing Bon Jon 35's on my Riv commuter. Haven't seen the need for the extralights, particularly while commuting. Another good choice is the Soma Supple Vitesse at 33 or 38 mm (Panaracer made clincher tire with tubular sidewalls, also offered in standard and extralight casings). Significantly less expensive than the Compass due to their availability from competing online retailers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Today's commute
I will be the first to admit that occasionally I'm guilty of exceeding the speed limit at the MUT but only while conditions allow i.e light traffic, no congestion, no people with dogs or families with kids, able room to safely pass others with at least 3 ft clearance, at night with nobody around, etc. However I do not see any excuse whatsover for doing pacelines at speeds of over 20mph as I often see during my morning and evening commute on the MUT. I dont consider shouting "Left" a pass to being inconsiderate to others and imposing on their safety. It only takes a wrong move from somebody to have a pile-up on a fast moving paceline and that somebody may be kid, a dog or simply some startled soul who stepped left when he/she heard "Left" Pano On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 11:09:42 AM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote: > > I hear you about the TdF wannabes which normally don't bother me when they > speed on non-peak trail times. Just this weekend, when it wasn't raining, > I took the family out for a slow ride to the park and it just blows me away > when people pass without 1) signaling and 2) at much higher speeds. Even > when I decide to ride my go fast bike on the trail I slow down > significantly when passing other riders, especially parents carrying or > riding with kids, and pedestrians. > > I think we need to organize a Riv ride this spring for all the local > riders in the DMV. > > Ryan > Arlington, VA > > On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 8:16:23 PM UTC-4, panog wrote: >> >> Rainy day today at DC. Rained the whole day and night. Traffic at the MUT >> was sparse and sporadic at best, both during the morning and evening >> commutes. Noticeably absent were the pace lines from the TdF wannabes >> training on the MUT at full speed. The zippies must have taken the bus to >> work. The light rain made the peace and quiet even more enjoyable. >> Tomorrow's weather is forecasted the same! Cant wait! >> >> Pano >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Today's commute
On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > Pano: if you can post some photos of WDC cycling and infrastructure, > particularly in the National Cathedral/Wisconsin Ave/Mass Ave node, I'd be > very interested to see them. I lived in The Chancery apartments from Jan '84 > until December '88, and took up cycling again there after a few-year hiatus. > > > Isn't this Cherry Blossom time? I recall a Cherry Blossom period ride along > the path that ran between the Kennedy Center and the Potomac; crisp, clear, > blue sky no clouds, cherry trees in full spate, and regrettably a pretty girl > with a flat who had was already being assisted by another gentleman. I was > riding either a weirdly cheaply spec'd Cannondale sports tourer sold by LL > Bean for $275 shipped, or a Alvit 5 speed Sprite with North Road bars flipped > and chopped. > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 6:16 PM, panog wrote: > Rainy day today at DC. Rained the whole day and night. Traffic at the MUT was > sparse and sporadic at best, both during the morning and evening commutes. > Noticeably absent were the pace lines from the TdF wannabes training on the > MUT at full speed. The zippies must have taken the bus to work. The light > rain made the peace and quiet even more enjoyable. Tomorrow's weather is > forecasted the same! Cant wait! > > > > Pano > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30% Supply and Demand discount, listmembers only, on all resume, LinkedIn, > and writing services, until Demand equals Supply! And there's more! 10% > kickback for any referral resulting in fully paid, list-price contract. And > still more! I am offering services in trade for a road bike, or frame and > parts, that are period compatible with my AM hub, circa 1937 to 1961. See my > website for what I do and what I charge; email for details. > > > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten > > Patrick We are very fortunate in DC to have literally thousands of miles of bike friendly roads and MUTs. This link shows a good representation of what is available, both paved and unsaved http://bikewashington.org/routes/best.htm The National Cathedral/Mass Ave/Wisconsin Ave node is best accessed by New Mexico Ave/Garfield St or Woodley/34th St. (behind the Chancery Apts) see page 2 of this map https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/dc_bike_map_2012_full_version.pdf DC and the neighboring cities are doing a nice job assigning more streets as bike-friendly as well as carving out bike lanes on thoroughfares. This past Sunday I started from my house at AU Park and did a 40 mile loop to Great Falls and then to Rock Creek Park with at least 95% of the route being on bike friendly scenic roads. It is simply great! The Cherry Blossom period is over now by at least two weeks. The sudden frost we had just before the blossom peak unfortunately placed a significant toll on their splendor this year. A lot of tourists were disappointed I'm sure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Today's commute
Rainy day today at DC. Rained the whole day and night. Traffic at the MUT was sparse and sporadic at best, both during the morning and evening commutes. Noticeably absent were the pace lines from the TdF wannabes training on the MUT at full speed. The zippies must have taken the bus to work. The light rain made the peace and quiet even more enjoyable. Tomorrow's weather is forecasted the same! Cant wait! Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: rave review for Appaloosa
On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 6:14:46 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote: > I am very surprised that lovely custom of yours doesn't cause a traffic jam > due to an enthusiastic swarm of admirers > > > But yes, those Appaloosas look like real nice bikes , and they seem to be > flying out of RBWQ and its network of dealers > > On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 10:52:15 AM UTC-5, panog wrote: > > > On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 1:01:56 AM UTC-4, qisl wrote: > > So, yesterday I was biking over to Subaru to check out the new storm chaser > cars. (North Texas experienced some hail damage last Friday.) > > > I was waiting on the sidewalk at a light to cross an intersection, when a > pickup with heavily tinted windows rolled up next to me. As I looked at it, > the passenger window started to roll down. > > > Various images flashed through my head. I was too far away for a tobacco > chewing Texan to spit on me, and heavy winds were facing my direction of > travel, so I felt safe from cigarette butts and trash. > > > Once the window was all the way down, I heard an exclamation of surprise > "Wow, that's a really cool bike, what is the frame?" > > > ..(snipped) > > > I've heard stories about incidents like these but never had the "pleasure" of > experiencing them first hand. Hopefully it will remain as such. > > > Pano Oh, no! The custom does get its share of comments. I was referring to the practice of showing one's "admiration" by spitting chewed tobacco at people -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: rave review for Appaloosa
On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 1:01:56 AM UTC-4, qisl wrote: > > So, yesterday I was biking over to Subaru to check out the new storm > chaser cars. (North Texas experienced some hail damage last Friday.) > > I was waiting on the sidewalk at a light to cross an intersection, when a > pickup with heavily tinted windows rolled up next to me. As I looked at it, > the passenger window started to roll down. > > Various images flashed through my head. *I was too far away for a tobacco > chewing Texan to spit on me, and heavy winds were facing my direction of > travel, so I felt safe from cigarette butts and trash.* > > Once the window was all the way down, I heard an exclamation of surprise > "Wow, that's a really cool bike, what is the frame?" > > *..(snipped)* > > > > I've heard stories about incidents like these but never had the "pleasure" of experiencing them first hand. Hopefully it will remain as such. Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote: > Thanks, you guys. I forgot my pepper spray that day, not that I'd have had it > together enough to aim anyway. I should have also thought of the bike as a > shield defense, but I didn't. That would have worked but for the dog in the > Wald. > > Scary, Panog! Missing part of its snout? Good heavens. What did the dog > do then? Learned a valuable lesson, no doubt. > > Yes, DING DING DING: TBBITW = The Best Bike in the World! > > I'm off in the wilds of Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. Let's hope I > don't have any new encounters with badly behaved animals. A Schnauzer is one > thing, but a mountain lion or black bear? Not even I could spin that into a > funny yarn. After the "thump" which shook the bike to the point I thought broke the chainstay, the lead dog yelped and took off for the woods. The other dog followed, never to be seen again. I kept going for another 50 yards or so and then stopped. There were mucus, blood and hair left on the chainstay but to my amazement it was not cracked. The spoke had lost all of its black anodizing at the point of impact and was twisted almost 180deg. To appreciate the force it took to do that, consider that the Mavic Ksyrium spokes are 5mm wide blades. I rode the bike for another couple of hundred yards and then the twisted spoke broke with a loud bang making the wheel unridable (low spoke wheel that one was). Meanwhile I am in a place where roads do not have road name signs and is late in the afternoon. It took a bit of walking and a lot of waiting for my wife to find me a few hours later. Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day
On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 7:25:12 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On 04/21/2017 04:28 AM, panog wrote: > > Chased for a mile by a miniature dog! Entertaining story, thankfully > > concluded to a happy ending. Never chased by a miniature but have had my > > fair share of dog chases although only for a few hundred feet. One time in > > rural Delaware I was intercepted by a pair of farmdogs and then given > > chase. I was doing around 22mph at the time, sped up close to 30 or so and > > still the faster of the two caught up with me and went for my ankle. It > > missed, lost part of its snout and my Ksyrium SL wheel lost one of its > > bladed spokes. Point here is that is very difficult to outrun a real size > > dog, specially the large kind bred for giving chase, guarding, retrieving > > etc, . They typically stop when they reach the end of their home turf but > > if they continue the best thing to do is to stop, get off the bike and use > > the bike to shield against the dog. Sometimes pepper spray also helps as > > does the water in your water bottle. Stopping and getting off the bike to > > face the dog is often counterintuitive at the time but is the safest thing > > to do rather than risking crashing at full speed with a dog attached to > > your ankle. > > > > But if you do use pepper spray, do be cognizant of the wind direction. > If the wind blows the stuff back in your face, you are going to be in > double trouble. Absolutely! If you don't do that then you are in for a surprise as some of it will linger around you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy is Chased by Vicious Dog on TBBITW and Lives Another Day
Chased for a mile by a miniature dog! Entertaining story, thankfully concluded to a happy ending. Never chased by a miniature but have had my fair share of dog chases although only for a few hundred feet. One time in rural Delaware I was intercepted by a pair of farmdogs and then given chase. I was doing around 22mph at the time, sped up close to 30 or so and still the faster of the two caught up with me and went for my ankle. It missed, lost part of its snout and my Ksyrium SL wheel lost one of its bladed spokes. Point here is that is very difficult to outrun a real size dog, specially the large kind bred for giving chase, guarding, retrieving etc, . They typically stop when they reach the end of their home turf but if they continue the best thing to do is to stop, get off the bike and use the bike to shield against the dog. Sometimes pepper spray also helps as does the water in your water bottle. Stopping and getting off the bike to face the dog is often counterintuitive at the time but is the safest thing to do rather than risking crashing at full speed with a dog attached to your ankle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!
The SKS listed width refers to the width of the fender profile. I find this to also be true for the Honjo and VO. http://www.sks-germany.com/en/productcategories/mudguards/ On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 10:04:22 AM UTC-4, John Stowe wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 4:51:53 AM UTC-4, panog wrote: >> >> >> I cant see how the SKS P45 is described to cover up to 45mm tires >> (assuming there is enough clearance to mount them high enough to do so) and >> still keep your feet protected from the tire blow-off spray while in the >> rain. > > > > > I've always assumed that the SKS models were named according to the > recommended tire width, e.g. the P45 would actually be around 52-55mm wide > in order to accommodate up to 45mm tires. Is this not the case? Disclaimer: > the only plastic fenders I have are Planet Bike so I don't have a sample to > check. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!
Another point of reference for the adequacy of fender coverage and tire size. I have VO 45 mm fenders on one bike and find that they will accommodate up to a 33mm tire while maintaining adequate vertical and lateral clearances with very good results. For 35 up to 38 mm tires I have been using the VO 50 mm fenders with excellent results. I cant see how the SKS P45 is described to cover up to 45mm tires (assuming there is enough clearance to mount them high enough to do so) and still keep your feet protected from the tire blow-off spray while in the rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Garage Sale, Riv and Nitto stuff, at Gravel & Grind April 22nd and 23rd
I'll stop by. Any shop ride going on that wknd? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Any recommendations for grips on a Bullmoose handlebar?
I'll offer a different prospective from my MTB experience and my XXXL size hands. I tried the ergo style grips but did not do it for me. What worked best for me on Soma Clarence bars was longer grips that allowed me to rotate my hands. I ended up double wrapping the bar ends with Cinelli cork tape for diameter and cushioning. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker
Patrick, I have not tried the Moustache but looking at the picture RBW has on their website, superimposing the Moustache over the Albastache, I can not see how the Albastache would offer much more comfort. Their shape is rather similar. The only real difference I see, at least in my perception, is the lesser vertical drop of 1" the Albastache have over the Moustache. A quick adjustment of the quill would take care of that if the quill is not already maxed out. The Albastache do have slightly longer handles but if this makes a real difference to anyone I would venture to say they dont have the right length stem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker
Patrick, to give you prospective on where I'm coming from, my drop bars are typically 46cm (outside to outside) and the ones I use on all of my bikes are the Deda Zero100 and the Ritchey Logic Classique. The Albastache, being about 10cm wider, took a bit of time getting used to them but the human body does an amazing job successfully adapting to conditions if there are no underlying conditions causing negative effects. The very first time I used them they felt awkward holding them from anything other than close to the bar ends while on the saddle. This awkwardness was specially apparent when holding them further forward while standing up to climb. BTW, when I do that I have a tendency to rock the bike, it helps me sync with the motion. Anyway, with the Albastache it felt very awkward; so much that I thought getting rid of them. Turning the clock forward from that very first time to the beginning of last week, I found my self negotiating a steep climb, I would say about 9% or so. Midway up I got up, holding the bars from the straight portion just before the hooks, and rocked the bike as I usually do to finish the climb. It felt very comfortable and very reassuring. Case and point here is, that in your case, going from your usual 38 and 42 widths to a 55.5cm I would expect your first impressions to be worst than what I initially felt. Before you make up your mind on them, my suggestion would be to give your body time to adapt and it will if there are no other underlying issues. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker
@Patric Moore Thank you and yes, it is a custom. In reference to your comments on the Albastache, I'll try to convey my thoughts on them over a use of about 500 miles which admidetly is neither long nor diverse enough so consider the following as work in progress. I have found three distinct hand positions on the Albastache. In front of the bar-ends (in line with the quill), mid-way up from the bar-ends (in front of the quill), on the bar hook and lastly on the brake levers. The first two result in a more upright posture and more compact cockpit while the last two get you flatter and more stretched out. Flatter and stretched out means more efficient power generation and generally less air resistance. Can these two reach the levels achieved by a PROPERLY set drop bar? I dont think so but they could be close enough and that's the compromise one must be willing to accept in return for the most comfortable, more upright position the Albastache offer, if such position is in pursuit. Both the Albastache and the drops attempt to reach their usability range but I think they are doing so starting from polar opposite positions. The drops start from the more power - more speed prospective and compromise from there to a more comfort - more user friendly state while the Albastache start from a more comfort -more upright prospective and compromise to a more power - more speed state. As such, therefore, they should not, IMO, be considered as a direct replacement for each other if the intended purpose of the bike does not warrant it. What I'm saying here is that I would not use the Albastache for a bike whose purpose was crit racing or sprinting but I could consider experimenting with them on a touring bike where power output and speed could be willingly compromised in exchange of comfort. Regarding the number of hand positions available on either, I have empirically concluded that either offers enough and do not consider this to be a factor any more. This is coming from someone who has undergone surgical intervention to release the ulnar nerves at the elbow from sustained abuse caused by long rides and not so good fitting cockpits. Regarding the air resistance and ducking the wind you mentioned, I am still experimenting with that but not for the reasons you may have expected. When the head-on winds pick up, the conventional approach has been to get to the drops. The German Tour magazine did some interesting wind tunnel tests studying the drag imposed on the rider from different posture positions. They found that tucking on the tops with elbows down is superior, drag reduction wise, to tucking on the drops. Reason being that width of frontal area (not just height) plays a significant part in creating drag. Either bar when handled like that gets similar results. However, the problem I personally have with this approach and higher speeds is loss of stability. I think you should give the Albastache a try and judge for yourself. I know I'm keeping them on the Riv for the foreseeable future. The differences with the Moustache you mentioned, are shallower drop (2.5 cm vs. 5 cm), shallower hooks and a touch more width. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker
@WETH Erl. It will be my pleasure to meet if you would like to have a close look at the bike. As a matter of fact, since it seems there are several of us who live around D.C., it would be enjoyable to arrange a meet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker
."wait" not "weight" that is.. my iPad thinks is smarter than me .. oh well, I should be used to it by now . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Pano's built up Rivendell custom on Rivendell flicker
Thanks for the kind words guys! The bike came out looking and feeling fantastic! I've got a little over 500 miles on it so far and it feels like the cockpit is dialed in. The fit is perfect! Cant add pics through my iPad so added a few more at the flickr site: Side view https://flic.kr/p/TbtsBm As it is now https://flic.kr/p/TbtsDf And https://flic.kr/p/T3ET9D dressed for commuting duty. The Albastache and the bar-ends worked out great. The bars, as set, are very comfortable and the upright position is great for commuting as visibility is greatly increased. My concern was how they would behave out on the open road and head-on winds but so far so good. Longest ride till now about 45 miles and head-on winds in the high teens - low twenties needed steering holding from the brake levers to reduce my frontal area somewhat. Not the same as with drops but quite doable. Power developed holding from around the bar-ends is not as much as when less upright but this is to be expected so no surprises there. Overall and for 80%+ of what the intended use of the bike is, the Albastache looks to be the perfect bar for it. It took me the better part of a day to dial in the fenders and get a uniform line around the tire without any undue stress. I followed most of Peter Weigle's tips setting them up. Things like no leather washers at the fender-stay interphase and decoupling only at the brake bridge and dropouts. The braze-on under the fork worked out great and the fender dimple there was much easier to get right. The VO's now come with aluminum stick-on reinforcement for underneath the fender at the crown and brake bridge which I included. If I had seen Anton's latest development in time maybe I would have done that instead as it looks sharp but right now I'm not taking them apart. The bended upper front stay is "borrowed" out of Peter's photo stream; more for the look than out of necessity although it does really secure the front end of the fender from shaking when on extended rough pavement. Brakes are Origin 8 Classique Sports. On the fence on these so far as the lever feels kinda of flimsy. Wanted to hide the cables as much as possible and the flaring up of some of the Evo variety (i.e. TRP) sticks up too much passed the top of the bars. I thought of flipping the TRP but then the cable comes out on the top which I did not like either. Still on the look-out on these. I had a Tubus Airy Ti laying around that I put on the back and then added a pair of Multisacks for lightweight, stay-on the bike, panniers. Front rack I will not put on but I did get the Hub Area Rack and bags to use in trips where additional carrying capacity is needed. Mounting the front light was a close call. The "shortie" bracket was too short and the back of the light housing could not clear the straddle bridge so its longer version was used. It pushed the light out from rubbing against the straddle bridge but, I think, it pushed it a bit more than I would have liked. I may attempt to reform the bracket later on although the bolt head clearance from the Paul's is next to nothing. The bar is double wrapped with the cork look-a-like tape but as soon as my lugged quill stem comes in I have a nice leather Berthoud waiting for it. Joe Bell's paint job is simply amazing. I have been looking for imperfections, runouts or whatever but there aren't any. The other day I noticed he had put a clear protectant strip on the left seat stay right where the head of the Zefal would have scraped against it. It doesn't as the pump spring keeps it a good 5mm away but if it ever did, the paint wont be scratched. This attention to detail I have not seen before and have had a few customs in my life. All in all, its been a wonderfull experience and the end result justified the weight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Helpful resources for building a bike at home?
The subject of the necessary tools needed for the home mechanic is often debated and usually the line between "need" and "want" is crossed. Assuming that the act of building you own bike is pursued more out of pride than necessity then having the right tool often makes the job easier and more accurate. Some argue that the difference between the experienced home mechanic and the professional mechanic is the tools they use. I tend to agree with that. Anyway, this stand from PB is pretty darn good for what it costs http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10052_10551_1030266_-1_400152__400152 > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Rim Tape for Pacenti SL23 tubeless
Pacenti also markets their own tape for these rims. Blue in color and 21mm in width. Again, two layers for tubeless applications. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Rim Tape for Pacenti SL23 tubeless
Two layers of Stan's 21mm tape works very well on those rims. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Helpful resources for building a bike at home?
Add the Shimano Dealer's Manual (from Shimano Tech Docs) to that and 95% of any questions you may have will be covered. On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 3:36:52 PM UTC-4, Mattt wrote: > > Park tool blue book. It is worth the price. > > > http://www.parktool.com/product/big-blue-book-of-bicycle-repair-3rd-edition-bbb-3 > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Skyline Drive on 4/23 (Bike Only)
That's how the climbs look at RWGPS https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19407396. Persistent 4% to 7% grades. Pano Wash DC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa
@gossamer I understand your frustration and dont mean on keep hitting a dead horse but for whatever its worth, in case you are not familiar with it, the 20th edition Riv Bicycle catalogue includes an overlay of the different bars common to these bikes. It helped me deciphering the bar choices I had. The catalogue and the overlay pics are readily available through Google search. I cant post pics from my iPad but I could from my desktop if you dont find them. Let me know. Best of luck, whichever way this turns out to go. Pano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: SP Dynamo PV-8 (silver) Laced to anodized grey TB14 32hole
What type of spokes and nipples? Which rear hub? Did you build them? How many times the wheels have been trued so far? On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 11:48:46 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote: > > Front wheel $200 shipped. > > Can potentially also sell the entire wheelset for $350 shipped. > > Wheel (and wheels) seen here: https://goo.gl/photos/DXqZfMPRy3PZL1av7 > > 32 hole. Low mileage, 20miles on the front wheel. Just trued and tensioned. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] New tires, perhaps?
@Mark in Beacon Sometimes a pinched rim could be repaired using one of these http://t.harborfreight.com/6-inch-jaw-straight-sheet-metal-seamer-98728.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F and a sanding block afterwards. Do not try it with regular pliers; they got to have long straight jaws so they are guided by the undamaged rim flange. Done it with Velocity DV after a similar encounter with a pothole like the one you described. Both of the flanges were severely creased from the impact. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale
@Hugh Smitham As a business, it may come a point where the realization that a particular segment of your customer pool does not seem to fit your business plan anymore is evident. At that juncture a business has a decision to make. They could either adapt their business plan to engulf the changes and possibly loose a part of their unique identity or concentrate more on retaining the customer base that fits with their business plan and identity better. From this prospective then, yes, "fire" the customer that no longer fits your business plan. They are not as useful to you anyway because they are not a reliable source of revenue under your operating platform. As a customer, we "fire" businesses all the time by choosing where to shop. As I said before, it works both ways. What is different is which side of the counter you happen to be at. Pano G. Wash. DC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale
The customer is always right until they are not. At that point the best a business could do is fire that customer. It works both ways. Pano G. Wash DC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] New tires, perhaps?
Well, you got your fair use out of this tire! In a pinch a tire boot made out of a folded dollar bill may be enough to take you home so you avoid the walking. When you replace the tire consider cutting off a 4" long section, minus the beads, to carry in your repair pack as a tire boot for future use, just in case. Pano Gianniotis in Wash. DC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Schrader OK? (Cross posted from iBob)
Whichever type of valve you end up using, consider carrying a valve core removal tool and spare cores if you use a latex based sealant like the Orange Seal as it tends to clog them. On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 10:08:38 AM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote: > > Thanks for the response, guys. The tubes that I bought specifically for > this application don't happen to have flats for core removal; I can > exchange them. I'm leaning toward staying with Schrader for these wheels. > Cheers, Steve > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] How tall is too tall for a 55cm Appaloosa?
I'm 6'-1'' with a PBH of 91.5 taken, as they say, "to the bone". Some time ago I test rode a Choko-Moose 62 and found the size very doable. The bike looks big and tall standing next to it but the choko-moose tames it when you ride it. A PBH of 91-91.5cm corresponds to the very end of size 58 and the very beginning of size 62. Size 55 is meant to be for a PBH of up to 87cm. I think it may be small for a 6-footer specially when set with upright bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride
I came to find out the iPad has a feature called Orientation Lock which basically locks the image from rotating when the screen is rotated. So in a pinch this may be the bushman's way of dealing with EXIF. I have a SWorks Roubaix SL4 with the CG-R post. It's supposed to compensate for a stiffer frame and according to Specialized add comfort. The biggest attribute I found this post does is due to its, longer than normal, offset allows sliding the saddle further back. For comfort I look at the tires. On that bike I run the largest tire I could fit and my current choice is the Conti GP 4000S II 28mm. On 17mm ID rims like the HED C2 it measures a whopping 31mm. It's scary when looked at the fork crown but it fits as long as the wheel is radially true. This and latex tubes make for a lower rolling resistance tire and 75/85 or 70/85psi make for a supple ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride
My iPad is too smart for that. When i flip it over, it flips the pic over as well -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride
Ironic you say.. I was expecting folks to comment on the Specialized carbon post but its been quiet .. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride
Thanks. Good to know! The "no-tool" approach is what sparked my interest on these hubs. Your 1.5 years of use w/o maintenance under mixed conditions, assuming average mileage use, is pretty good on anyone's standards. I repack my cup and cone on my commuter every 6 months or so but not because they need it. When its time to be serviced they (the hubs) will let you know as those pawls in them will become louder. On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 2:00:40 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote: > > I ride in the rain and also lock my bike up outside at work and it gets > rained on more than a good bike should. They (the hubs) are easy to > disassemble with out any tools. I'm pretty lazy about maintenance so I > haven't bothered to do anything with them yet but when I decide to I know > it couldn't be any easier. That said, I don't claim to be knowledgeable > about hubs so I may have missed something. But certainly no complaints > after 1.5 years on them. > Of course any Compass tire will have very low rolling resistance and > it's smart to have built in room to grow (just in case). I just ordered > some snowqualmie tires for the Chevy-ut and then I need to figure out the > fender-brake combo that will make it all work. I saw another guys on here > had a similar build so I will have to copy what he did. >The snakeskin fenders greatly look awesome on any bike. They are > bike-bling -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride
They do look great on the bike! On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:27:26 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote: > > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:20:55 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote: > > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-5, panog wrote: > > > First time on high flange Gran Cru hubs? > > > > > > On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:Yes > good eye. They are awesome, wide rim. Good quality wheels > > > > No, I also have them on my 650b converted Soma/Riv San Marcos w/ 42mm > tires and aluminum fenders so I knew they would be good! You will like your > custom with puffy 42mm tires and fenders! > > The snakeskin fenders that is > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride
Thanks. I dont anticipate going to 42s yet. Most of my time is spent on paved roads or packed dirt trails, so mostly on 32s and 35s, maybe occasionally on 38s. I specked the bike for 42s+fenders to have the flexibility in the future if the need develops. I looked briefly on the Gran Cru for another project I was doing but could not find enough long term reviews about them. The one I found indicated issues with the seals on that particular unit. However, one review does not define a product. Have you ever had to change the bearings on them? Much riding in the rain? On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 1:20:55 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote: > > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-5, panog wrote: > > First time on high flange Gran Cru hubs? > > > > On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote:Yes > good eye. They are awesome, wide rim. Good quality wheels > > No, I also have them on my 650b converted Soma/Riv San Marcos w/ 42mm > tires and aluminum fenders so I knew they would be good! You will like your > custom with puffy 42mm tires and fenders! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
@Ryan F. Yes, fortunate to have a very secure place to keep the bike at work. No bike lock needed. On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: > > Wow that is some build ..can't wait to see it. Obviously you have a very > secure place at work to house such a treasure > > On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 9:03:11 PM UTC-6, panog wrote: >> >> Thank you all for your kind words! Mark sent me a few pics yesterday and >> although I have not seen the bike in person yet, it looks from the pics >> well balanced and every bit how I envisioned it. >> >> The bike has been in the making for about 18 months now; the first six in >> my mind, trying to justify the "one more bike?" thing and the remaining >> twelve in the making. An untold number of emails with Grant and Mark has >> taken place during the design phase to crystallize the direction the design >> was to follow. Grant, to his credit, often mentioned the similarities with >> the AHH but to me a Grant custom design, brazed by Nobillette and painted >> by Joe Bell is the "perfect storm" I wanted to get caught in. Mark Abele >> has been and continues to be extremely helpful, instrumental and patient >> with my never ending avalanche of questions working out all the details. >> Dealing with Joe Bell has been exemplary. His attention to detail goes >> beyond paint lines. The fellow simply cares too much for what he does. The >> first time the phone rung at 10:00pm EST I was surprised; the third time I >> had gotten used to it. This journey has been a wonderful experience and was >> as important to me as arriving at the destination. >> >> Frame stats: >> Size 62.8 >> Seat angle 72, head angle 72 >> Rake 50mm >> HT length 206.1mm >> TT eff 61.6cm >> TT upslope 2.5 deg >> CS length 47cm >> BB drop 80mm >> 700c, 135mm OLD, clearance for 42mm tires plus fenders >> >> Paint: >> Richard Sachs 2013 Saffron with HOK DP-18 Cinnamon Pearl >> >> Build: >> DA 9-speed bar ends >> TA Specialities Carmina 110/74 46/36/26 >> Phil BB >> XT front and rear deraileurs, long cage rear >> 11-32 XT >> Origin 8 Classique sport road brake levers >> Paul's braze-on Racers >> CK headset >> Nitto NP stem >> Nitto S83 seat post >> Brooks B17 select (1st time trying this, if not agreeable then the >> Berthoud Aspin goes back on) >> Albastache (1st time on these as well, if not agreeable then back to >> drops) >> Schmidt Son28 dyno hub with Edelux II >> >> I build my own wheels and the set chosen for the bike uses H+Son TB14 >> polished 36h rims laced on WI MI5 hub with 14/15/14 ga Sapim Race spokes >> arranged 3x for the rear. Front is also 36h due to the narrower flange >> offset of the Son28. I normally use brass nipples but for this set I went >> with the Sapim orange Polyax to carry over the frame color. >> >> Tires are the Compass 700cx35, tubed. These are the tires expected to be >> on most of the time with a possible move-up to 38's for dirt trails. The >> bike is set for up to 42's with fenders. >> >> Fenders will be the VO 50mm Snakeskin. I had to arm wrestle with Grant on >> this; he does not know about the metal fenders yet unless Mark spilled the >> beans so don't tell him!. I'll put these on myself when I get the bike >> because I have the wheels waiting here. >> >> The bike will start its tenure as my daily commuter (thus the Albastache) >> and then we will go from there. >> >> Excuse the very long post and thank you again for your kind words. >> >> Pano >> >> >> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today >>> is the one I would be most likely to copy. >>> >>> WANT! >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Cheviot build shakedown ride
First time on high flange Gran Cru hubs? On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-5, A. Nostuh wrote: > > Yes good eye. They are awesome, wide rim. Good quality wheels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 650B Tires
Orange Seal could be used for sealing inner tubes and is very effective doing so. Scroll down this http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Things_that_Roll/Tires/Sealant_Test_-_Part_1_4147.html and this http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Things_that_Roll/Tires/Sealant_Test_-_Part_2_4155.html for test results on Orange Seal. It is latex based so has a tendency to dry out as part of it evaporates so periodic replacement is advised. Also tends to clog the valve cores so keep a couple spares with you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] New Cheviot build shakedown ride
Nicely done! Are these Gran Cru hubs on Escapade rims? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
Thanks Patrick. I'll convey the message. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
The last few days I have received a lot of compliments about the color chosen; started with Joe, then Mark and went on and on. I must admit that choosing the color proved for me to be the hardest part of putting the bike together. I had all the bike features and mechanical bits figured out by the time I filled out the RBW order forms. Color was a different story though. I knew I wanted an orangish theme; something within the spectrum of orange and burnt orange, with a bit of subdued sparkle but not too much. Maybe pearl, maybe a small flake metallic. Lighter rather than darker shade to better bring the lug details out. Trying to pick from the web published paint charts, including the one Joe had on his website, soon proved to be inaccurate at best. Discussing this dilemma with Joe it was mutually decided that the best way to deal with this was to have actual samples painted. So I explained to him the shade variations I was looking for and off we went with the understanding he could adjust the mix as he saw fit. A week or so later I receive a package from Joe with the four samples painted on tube segments. Now another problem surfaces. I like them all! Some have more orange, some more brown, one is metallic, two are pearl. They all looked very sharp and showed their unique idiosyncrasies whether under direct sunlight or not. I wrestled with it for a few days, still undecided, and then I did what I assume most males would do and asked advice from a higher authority. In my household, the utmost authority on color selection is my wife; partly due to her professional training, partly due to her good taste. She looked at the samples for a few minutes and then she picked the one! All of my "what ifs" and "what abouts" fell on deaf ears! I waited a few days and then challenged her again on her selection, just to make sure! She was adamant about it and she knows very very very well how anal I become with my bikes. Judging from the responses I receive, it seems she chose right. Just giving credit where credit is due! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] 650B Tires
I have found this article to be a noteworthy reference about the different sealants and their optimum use: http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Things_that_Roll/Tires/Tire_Sealants_2765.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
George, As Keith mentioned, SH is the Saddle Height measured from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle. The standover height measured from the floor to the top of the top tube at around the middle of its span is 89.05cm with 42mm tires. My PBH of 91.5cm + shoes (2 cm) equates to an adjusted PBH of 93.5 and a clearance of 4 cm. Take care of that cold! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
@John H. Great! Not having to mend a chain would be convenient, John. It computes to 116 links for up to a 34t cog. Never actually sized a chain with the "equation method" before. It would be interesting to see how it compares to the other methods. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
@Don C. I think the longer stays (47cm) are there to predominantly compliment the intended performance of the bike and not just for tire (up to 42mm) clearance. Looking at the RBW geo charts, the 63 AHH has 45cm CS and fits up to 43mm tires while the 62 Hillborne CS is at 45.5cm and fits up to 45mm tires. On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 9:56:14 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote: > > Would his bike need the extra space for the larger tires and fenders? Just > a thought. > > On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote: >> >> Pano >> >> The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS >> a conscience decision >> >> John Hawrylak >> Woodstown NJ >> >> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote: >> >>> >>> CS length 47cm >>> >> >> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
@John H. The 47cm chainstays were Grant's decision and seemingly one of the twists he did on my Hilsen-like custom. The thinking is that there is no reason for shorter than 47 considering also that my SH is at 80.5cm. The notion here is being positioned less on top of the rear wheel which would affect comfort. Grant also mentioned that the longer stays would not affect the ability to adjust the line the bike takes around a turn. The 47-49cm stays are more evident at the Riv touring style bikes ( ie Atlantis and Hunq) vs. the more roadish style Roadeo. Even longer stays in excess of 50cm appear to be the direction RBW is now taking with the newer Appas, Rosco, etc My experience with these is very superficial and limited to a couple of hours on an Appaloosa. Until now the longest stays I had on any of my other bikes were 43.5cm on my light touring and 41.5cm on my racing-like. I could do a wheelie at will with either; particularly easy on a steep up-slope. On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 6:58:56 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote: > > Pano > > The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS > a conscience decision > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ > > On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote: > >> >> CS length 47cm >> > > >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
Absolutely! Looking forward to it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
Thank you. An issue with metal fenders could be the so called "folding-up" when sticks caught by the tire are pushed up under the fender as the tire rotates forward. This could result in the fender "folding-over" at the crown, abruptly stopping the motion of the bike and causing the rider to go over the handlebars. The SKS fenders, that RBW advocates, use safety release tabs where the fender stays connect to the dropouts. These are designed to release and free the fender so it does not get squished under the crown. Very valid concern, specially with deep tread tires that tend to pick stuff as they roll. My use is predominantly paved roads and smooth tread tires so the chances for this happening are significantly reduced, I hope. On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 12:36:36 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > A truly beautiful bike. Congratulations. And a slap on the back to Grant > for confirming that Riv is not in the "retro recreation scene." > > Curious: What does Grant have against VO or perhaps just metal fenders? > > More photos, please, as you build it up and ride it, and your impressions > of the ride. I know that my Riv road bikes define fit and handling for me. > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:30 PM, panog > > wrote: > >> Yes, the frameset does show features that may be viewed as non-Riv >> typical. After filling out the order forms, these features included, Grant >> was kind enough to entertain me in several hour-long telephone discussions >> pertaining to the intended use of the bike, handling characteristics, etc. >> I distinctly recall him emphatically mentioning that RBW is not in the >> retro recreation scene. Neither was this my intention. I wanted a >> Rivendell, with the performance features Riv's are known for and with a few >> amenities that make sense for my use. >> >> Following with the features list Bill posted: >> 1. *Seatstay pump peg:* During my daily commute I have to carry the >> bike up a few steps. I do that holding it by the top tube. The typical pump >> install under the TT would interfere with this. Same reason for going with >> the internal brake cable TT routing instead of the CX routing version which >> I am not aesthetically fond off. >> 2. *Frenchie chainstay slap guard:* I typically use the self-adhesive >> VO leather guard. Every six months or so I usually peel it off and replace >> it when it gets too dirty as I often ride in the rain. Glue remnants left >> behind need scrubbing with thinner to be removed. The rubber chainslap >> guard, suspended over the CS, will alleviate that. >> 3. *Under the fork crown fender boss:* I think it makes installation of >> fenders without using a L angle easier. >> 4. *Dynamo wire guides:* I think it makes for a neater installation of >> the wiring and allows easier/quicker removal of the wire (without having to >> cut-off too many zip ties) when a non dynamo-hub wheel is used. >> >> BTW, Mark Nobilette did ask if I would have preferred the SL dropouts for >> totally hidden wiring but I opted out because I have several non >> connector-less hub wheels and need to be able to use them from bike to bike >> if need be. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
Reply to the question about the tubing used: Discussed with Grant what the intended purpose of the bike is and trusted him to do his thing. He did use what he called the Riv standard; 28.6 for the TT and ST, 31.8 for the DT. Frame geo stats on a prior post. On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:40:37 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote: > > Very beautiful. Is there any info about the tubing specs and the frame > geometry? > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ > > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
Yes, the frameset does show features that may be viewed as non-Riv typical. After filling out the order forms, these features included, Grant was kind enough to entertain me in several hour-long telephone discussions pertaining to the intended use of the bike, handling characteristics, etc. I distinctly recall him emphatically mentioning that RBW is not in the retro recreation scene. Neither was this my intention. I wanted a Rivendell, with the performance features Riv's are known for and with a few amenities that make sense for my use. Following with the features list Bill posted: 1. *Seatstay pump peg:* During my daily commute I have to carry the bike up a few steps. I do that holding it by the top tube. The typical pump install under the TT would interfere with this. Same reason for going with the internal brake cable TT routing instead of the CX routing version which I am not aesthetically fond off. 2. *Frenchie chainstay slap guard:* I typically use the self-adhesive VO leather guard. Every six months or so I usually peel it off and replace it when it gets too dirty as I often ride in the rain. Glue remnants left behind need scrubbing with thinner to be removed. The rubber chainslap guard, suspended over the CS, will alleviate that. 3. *Under the fork crown fender boss:* I think it makes installation of fenders without using a L angle easier. 4. *Dynamo wire guides:* I think it makes for a neater installation of the wiring and allows easier/quicker removal of the wire (without having to cut-off too many zip ties) when a non dynamo-hub wheel is used. BTW, Mark Nobilette did ask if I would have preferred the SL dropouts for totally hidden wiring but I opted out because I have several non connector-less hub wheels and need to be able to use them from bike to bike if need be. On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:11:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Doug and Eric expressed surprise that Grant allowed internal brake cable > routing. > > > In exactly the same category, this frameset is notable for four other > eyebrow-raising details: > > 1. seatstay pump peg. I don't think I've ever seen a Rivendell with one > 2. frenchie chainstay slap guard. I don't think I've ever seen a > Rivendell with one > 3. under the fork crown fender boss. Something that several people think > Rivendell should be doing on 100% of their bikes. Production or custom. > 4. dynamo wire guides. I don't think I've ever seen a Rivendell with > them. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom
Thank you all for your kind words! Mark sent me a few pics yesterday and although I have not seen the bike in person yet, it looks from the pics well balanced and every bit how I envisioned it. The bike has been in the making for about 18 months now; the first six in my mind, trying to justify the "one more bike?" thing and the remaining twelve in the making. An untold number of emails with Grant and Mark has taken place during the design phase to crystallize the direction the design was to follow. Grant, to his credit, often mentioned the similarities with the AHH but to me a Grant custom design, brazed by Nobillette and painted by Joe Bell is the "perfect storm" I wanted to get caught in. Mark Abele has been and continues to be extremely helpful, instrumental and patient with my never ending avalanche of questions working out all the details. Dealing with Joe Bell has been exemplary. His attention to detail goes beyond paint lines. The fellow simply cares too much for what he does. The first time the phone rung at 10:00pm EST I was surprised; the third time I had gotten used to it. This journey has been a wonderful experience and was as important to me as arriving at the destination. Frame stats: Size 62.8 Seat angle 72, head angle 72 Rake 50mm HT length 206.1mm TT eff 61.6cm TT upslope 2.5 deg CS length 47cm BB drop 80mm 700c, 135mm OLD, clearance for 42mm tires plus fenders Paint: Richard Sachs 2013 Saffron with HOK DP-18 Cinnamon Pearl Build: DA 9-speed bar ends TA Specialities Carmina 110/74 46/36/26 Phil BB XT front and rear deraileurs, long cage rear 11-32 XT Origin 8 Classique sport road brake levers Paul's braze-on Racers CK headset Nitto NP stem Nitto S83 seat post Brooks B17 select (1st time trying this, if not agreeable then the Berthoud Aspin goes back on) Albastache (1st time on these as well, if not agreeable then back to drops) Schmidt Son28 dyno hub with Edelux II I build my own wheels and the set chosen for the bike uses H+Son TB14 polished 36h rims laced on WI MI5 hub with 14/15/14 ga Sapim Race spokes arranged 3x for the rear. Front is also 36h due to the narrower flange offset of the Son28. I normally use brass nipples but for this set I went with the Sapim orange Polyax to carry over the frame color. Tires are the Compass 700cx35, tubed. These are the tires expected to be on most of the time with a possible move-up to 38's for dirt trails. The bike is set for up to 42's with fenders. Fenders will be the VO 50mm Snakeskin. I had to arm wrestle with Grant on this; he does not know about the metal fenders yet unless Mark spilled the beans so don't tell him!. I'll put these on myself when I get the bike because I have the wheels waiting here. The bike will start its tenure as my daily commuter (thus the Albastache) and then we will go from there. Excuse the very long post and thank you again for your kind words. Pano On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is > the one I would be most likely to copy. > > WANT! > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Which bike for hippie music?
My vote goes to the Hilsen. If you've done PBP on it, you know the bike and the bike knows you. Fenders and racks are good features to have and one of the detractions from the Roadeo and a long trip as this. The Hunq is not meant for this kind of trip, IMO, specially if you have the other choices available. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Online store for front light mount options
Any idea where to find the grommets and washers needed to allow for left-to-right tilting adjustment of an Edelux mounted on a front rack? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Extension bar for the German Mirror?
Extending the arm too much may increase the vibrations the mirror is subjected to and distort the image. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Post dynamo, keep the old front wheel?
A spare wheel is always desirable specially when the primary wheel is based on a user non-serviceable dynamo hub. On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 7:58:00 PM UTC-5, drew wrote: > > I've now moved my only 700c bikes to dynamo wheels, and have 2 perfectly > good 700c non dynamo wheels hanging in the garage. Aside from other builds > and hypotheticals, is there any real reason to keep these around? Like a > type of ride or riding where I wouldn't want a dynamo set up? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Building up a SON28 Dyno wheel and need help!
Ergott has maintained a consistently good reputation. On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote: > > Will do. > > Related: anyone know a good wheel builder in the NY/NJ area? > > On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 12:47:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> If a shop thinks you are smarter than they are to figure out spoke >> length, they are probably right to think that. Find a wheel builder. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Building up a SON28 Dyno wheel and need help!
For the most accurate results on spoke length you best measure the rim ERD and hub flange offsets the way the spoke calculator is designed to do. Not all of them are set up the same. The calculator I use most often is Roger Musson's Wheelpro and the instructions where to measure are on his site. Additionally, the nominal ERD listed with the rim specs is often somewhat different than those of the specific rim depending on the state of the mold when the rim was made. Best to measure the actual rim you plan on using. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Post dynamo, keep the old front wheel?
Using new spokes I am assuming. It would be very uncommon to have a dynamo hub that matches the flange diameter and offset of a front hub. On Friday, January 27, 2017 at 3:04:26 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote: > > I typically just buy the dyno hub, unlace the wheel, give the old front > hub away & lace the new hub up in it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] dynamo light decisions: Lumotec or Edelux?
I have been buying the Edelux II for my dynamo hub wheels for three reasons: A) never had a problem with them, B) aesthetics and C) I've been told from several people that the IQ-X tens to flicker at low speeds. I have not used it myself so cant verify the claim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
