[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[DB]

I've been using this same set up and it's totally fine.  

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-8 Adam Bowen wrote:

> I am currently running a friction 12speed set up with a microshift bar end 
> and GX Eagle derailer/cassette. I have been pleased with how well it works
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 11:28:54 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Thank you Sam for this post. This is currently on my mind.
>> My friends insisted on a clutch derailer, and then, better than 
>> insisting, a friend gave me one (I reciprocated to make it a trade :)
>>
>> So I've been internally himming and hawing over what shifter to run on my 
>> Shimano 11 speed clutch derailer and Shimano 11-42, 11 speed casette.
>> One thing that came to mind is I'd like to have friction shifting an 
>> option if/when, for some reason, I can't correctly tune the indexed 
>> shifting with a barrel adjuster etc.
>> I think the barcon/bar-end option to switch between indexed and friction 
>> shifting is a really nice option and back-up plan.
>> I am also a little resistant to mountain bike trigger shifters, not for 
>> mechanical reasons, just...personal prefernce/bias.
>>
>> So I'm thinking I'll go with the Microshift 11 spd thumb shifter.
>> It looks like its the SL-M11 I want:
>> https://www.microshift.com/en/product/sl-m11/
>> I wish it had the bolt with the folding loop on top like the Shimanos to 
>> make it easier to switch between friction and indexed.
>>
>> I think I'm decided now, thanks, but also happy to hear more.
>>
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:24:00 PM UTC-8 Adam in Indiana wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use 
>>> an appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and 
>>> it works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
>>> hydraulic Gevenalle setup.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
 curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
 friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
 shifting more fussy ?

 Thanks

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Daniel MacPherson]

Good to hear. I'm currently setting up a bike with your same set-up. I've 
been rocking 10 speed friction for a year, so why not try 12 speed? 

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-8 Adam Bowen wrote:

> I am currently running a friction 12speed set up with a microshift bar end 
> and GX Eagle derailer/cassette. I have been pleased with how well it works
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 11:28:54 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Thank you Sam for this post. This is currently on my mind.
>> My friends insisted on a clutch derailer, and then, better than 
>> insisting, a friend gave me one (I reciprocated to make it a trade :)
>>
>> So I've been internally himming and hawing over what shifter to run on my 
>> Shimano 11 speed clutch derailer and Shimano 11-42, 11 speed casette.
>> One thing that came to mind is I'd like to have friction shifting an 
>> option if/when, for some reason, I can't correctly tune the indexed 
>> shifting with a barrel adjuster etc.
>> I think the barcon/bar-end option to switch between indexed and friction 
>> shifting is a really nice option and back-up plan.
>> I am also a little resistant to mountain bike trigger shifters, not for 
>> mechanical reasons, just...personal prefernce/bias.
>>
>> So I'm thinking I'll go with the Microshift 11 spd thumb shifter.
>> It looks like its the SL-M11 I want:
>> https://www.microshift.com/en/product/sl-m11/
>> I wish it had the bolt with the folding loop on top like the Shimanos to 
>> make it easier to switch between friction and indexed.
>>
>> I think I'm decided now, thanks, but also happy to hear more.
>>
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:24:00 PM UTC-8 Adam in Indiana wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use 
>>> an appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and 
>>> it works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
>>> hydraulic Gevenalle setup.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
 curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
 friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
 shifting more fussy ?

 Thanks

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Patrick Moore]

This is very good to know. I don't expect that I will want to go beyond 10
-- when I decided to convert from friction 9 to friction 10, I thought I
was being daringly cutting edge -- but it's good to know that there remain
further possibilities, if and when.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:08 AM Adam Bowen 
wrote:

> I am currently running a friction 12speed set up with a microshift bar end
> and GX Eagle derailer/cassette. I have been pleased with how well it works
>
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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Adam Bowen]

I am currently running a friction 12speed set up with a microshift bar end 
and GX Eagle derailer/cassette. I have been pleased with how well it works

On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 11:28:54 AM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> Thank you Sam for this post. This is currently on my mind.
> My friends insisted on a clutch derailer, and then, better than insisting, 
> a friend gave me one (I reciprocated to make it a trade :)
>
> So I've been internally himming and hawing over what shifter to run on my 
> Shimano 11 speed clutch derailer and Shimano 11-42, 11 speed casette.
> One thing that came to mind is I'd like to have friction shifting an 
> option if/when, for some reason, I can't correctly tune the indexed 
> shifting with a barrel adjuster etc.
> I think the barcon/bar-end option to switch between indexed and friction 
> shifting is a really nice option and back-up plan.
> I am also a little resistant to mountain bike trigger shifters, not for 
> mechanical reasons, just...personal prefernce/bias.
>
> So I'm thinking I'll go with the Microshift 11 spd thumb shifter.
> It looks like its the SL-M11 I want:
> https://www.microshift.com/en/product/sl-m11/
> I wish it had the bolt with the folding loop on top like the Shimanos to 
> make it easier to switch between friction and indexed.
>
> I think I'm decided now, thanks, but also happy to hear more.
>
> -Matthew
> San Diego, CA
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:24:00 PM UTC-8 Adam in Indiana wrote:
>
>> I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use an 
>> appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and it 
>> works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
>> hydraulic Gevenalle setup.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
>>> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
>>> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
>>> shifting more fussy ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Matthew P]

Thank you Sam for this post. This is currently on my mind.
My friends insisted on a clutch derailer, and then, better than insisting, 
a friend gave me one (I reciprocated to make it a trade :)

So I've been internally himming and hawing over what shifter to run on my 
Shimano 11 speed clutch derailer and Shimano 11-42, 11 speed casette.
One thing that came to mind is I'd like to have friction shifting an option 
if/when, for some reason, I can't correctly tune the indexed shifting with 
a barrel adjuster etc.
I think the barcon/bar-end option to switch between indexed and friction 
shifting is a really nice option and back-up plan.
I am also a little resistant to mountain bike trigger shifters, not for 
mechanical reasons, just...personal prefernce/bias.

So I'm thinking I'll go with the Microshift 11 spd thumb shifter.
It looks like its the SL-M11 I want:
https://www.microshift.com/en/product/sl-m11/
I wish it had the bolt with the folding loop on top like the Shimanos to 
make it easier to switch between friction and indexed.

I think I'm decided now, thanks, but also happy to hear more.

-Matthew
San Diego, CA

On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:24:00 PM UTC-8 Adam in Indiana wrote:

> I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use an 
> appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and it 
> works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
> hydraulic Gevenalle setup.
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
>> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
>> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
>> shifting more fussy ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Adam in Indiana]

I’ve been using 1x11 for a while, in both friction and indexed.  I use an 
appropriate Microshift lever with a Shimano SLX clutch derailleur, and it 
works flawlessly.  I started it out as a bar-end, but now have it on a 
hydraulic Gevenalle setup.

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:

> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
> shifting more fussy ?
>
> Thanks
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Patrick Moore]

Adding my tiny clamor to the general hubub (not Hubbuhubbuh): I've done
this for years with 7, 8, 9, and 10 speed cassettes. Currently
I shift a 1X10 (with granny bailout) using Suntour bar cons and a 7 or 8
speed rd (Dura Ace 7401), and it works surprisingly well despite the
shifter and derailleur not being "optimized" for the job. After I swapped
out the mix 'n' match cogs (7, 8, and 9 speed used with 10 sp spacers) for
actual 10 speed Miche cogs used with *eleven speed spacers,** "excellent"
got taken to "wholly superlative."

The 1X10 as above shifts better than any 1X5 or 1X6 freewheel drivetrain
I've used, and I don't complain about shifting 5 or 6 speed freewheels.

A trick I learned from Bike Radar, to wit, use a chain 1 generation later
than your cassette to make good shifting even better; thus 11 with 10, 10
with 9, etc. I use modestly priced SRAM chains, in case that makes a
difference.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 11:19 AM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, of course it will work. I have a friction 9 speed set up on my
> Rivendell and, yes, it is a little fussy, but it works incredibly smoothly
> and I have a clutch derailleur. I use the Silver1 shifter because it's
> longer and therefore slightly more precise IMHO.
>
> On my other bike, I have a Suntour Power Ratchet thumbshifter with a Deore
> 7 speed setup on the back. It is truly bulletproof. I have ridden it for
> years with ZERO adjustment.
>
> Post up a list of the parts you have and I'm sure we can figure out if it
> will work or not.
>
> m
>
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 10:20:21 AM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> Friction shifting 11 speeds is easier than friction on 9. Shifting isn’t
>> fussy at all.
>> I have a silver downtube shifter. The throw of the shifter is maxed out -
>> it’s parallel to the down tube at each end of the throw, but that’s fine.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 10:24:37 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really
>>> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on
>>> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the
>>> shifting more fussy ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Michael Morrissey]

Yes, of course it will work. I have a friction 9 speed set up on my 
Rivendell and, yes, it is a little fussy, but it works incredibly smoothly 
and I have a clutch derailleur. I use the Silver1 shifter because it's 
longer and therefore slightly more precise IMHO. 

On my other bike, I have a Suntour Power Ratchet thumbshifter with a Deore 
7 speed setup on the back. It is truly bulletproof. I have ridden it for 
years with ZERO adjustment.

Post up a list of the parts you have and I'm sure we can figure out if it 
will work or not.

m


On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 10:20:21 AM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Friction shifting 11 speeds is easier than friction on 9. Shifting isn’t 
> fussy at all.
> I have a silver downtube shifter. The throw of the shifter is maxed out - 
> it’s parallel to the down tube at each end of the throw, but that’s fine.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 10:24:37 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
>> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
>> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
>> shifting more fussy ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Philip Williamson]

Friction shifting 11 speeds is easier than friction on 9. Shifting isn’t 
fussy at all.
I have a silver downtube shifter. The throw of the shifter is maxed out - 
it’s parallel to the down tube at each end of the throw, but that’s fine.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 10:24:37 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:

> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
> shifting more fussy ?
>
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[jamison brosseau]

I run a box components 9 speed wide range cassette 1x and have experienced 
no issues  or any desire to run a larger cassette.  I have used microshift 
, dura ace and sunrace shifters.  I have recently switched to indexed 
shifting and am not sure I will be going back to friction any time soon.

On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 1:24:37 AM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:

> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
> shifting more fussy ?
>
> Thanks
>

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