Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

It’s a fair point to be sure, but is separate from the question I asked. To put a somewhat finer point on it, my comment did not relate to weight in any way. I referenced the impact of forcing thicker tubes than might otherwise be spec’d in order to accommodate certain brakes that could alter the

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I think there’s a certain irony in lovers of modern Rivendell designs being worried about the extra weight of tubes needed to support having disc brakes. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

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In my stable, I have a Clem and a Karate Monkey, among others. The Clem is a nice riding bike, but I don’t find it particularly smoother than the disc braked KM. I doubt Riv will be using the super thin Kasei type blades on this project, anyway. V brakes stop OK, but discs offer some practical

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I missed the new rim hints! So I will stand by my original prediction of a plus tired capable 27.5 MB-1ish bike with a high by riv standards BB and longish chainstays. And a suspension stem :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

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Unless I'm missing what you're responding to, there was no mention of the new bike being 26”. I would think a new Riv mtb would hew closer to 27.5 and 29. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

We will have to wait and see. I guess I wonder what the demand would be for a rigid, 26" wheeled mtb? Seems there are hundreds currently available on my local CL/Facebook. Also, I thought he Clem was filling this space for Riv? I get wanting to maintain your unique identity as a business in a

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Not being a disk user, I may lack crucial experience required to understand, but since one has to use heavier tubing than one might otherwise want in order to resist the hub area forces imparted by disks - is it really THAT contrary to let the ride quality that results from tubing choices take

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Velocity Cliffhangers wouldn't work? Too narrow? At the risk of being an armchair designer, I wonder if they're thinking of something similar to a Clem H with a bit more standover and a perhaps shorter chainstays. Rigid mountain bikes are lots of fun, but given that they can't just ride over

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Good point about the rim availability. Just thinking about what would make for a "dedicated" mtb on Riv's terms. Perhaps it will simply be a MIT Hunq with longer chainstays. Isn't that a Clem, though? Maybe a threadless stem option, like the Roadeo? Seems doubtful. -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

We sort of discussed this earlier in the thread. Grant stated that there was some key thing that they needed to pull off, and we postulated that it might be a new rim. Garth noted that such 45mm rim brake rims have existed for a long time in 26 (snowcat) and 29 (kris holm) but not yet 650b.

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

What rims would you use for a non disc plus bike? A non-disc plus bike seems like going against the crowd just for the sake of being different, not for any customer merit. Eric On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, iamkeith wrote: > ? Not sure why anyone would think plus tires are off the table. I've

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I'm probably reading too much into one word, but did I hear Grant use the phrase, "dedicated mountain bike"? it's intriguing to think of how such a bike would differ from a Hunq or a Clem. Maybe clearance for 650b plus tires - which aren't necessary or imho desirable for pavement riding --

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

? Not sure why anyone would think plus tires are off the table. I've used cantis with 3.8" tires on 65mm rims and they were perfectly adequate. All 2nd hand accounts we've heard of conversations with insiders/employees seem to suggest that a plus sized project is a possibility, even if not

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

> "During that interview, he confirmed a *non-disc*, non-squish MTB is in > the works. As for other attributes the bike may or may not have, I don't > remember any that were mentioned ... though it *might* have longish > chainstays ..." > Whelp, there goes my hopes for a plus bike. I can't

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

A Rivendell frame with a threadless front end would definitely have my interested. I've passed on Rivs in the past because of falling out of favor with threaded front ends. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

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You say this as if several of the current models COULDNT be female. Do you know for sure they aren't? Sam Hillborne? Samantha. A. Homer Hilsen? Allison. Joe Appaloosa? Joesefine. Clem? Clementine. I never thought of them as being boy names or girl names (except for the Hilsen). I like the

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

If Grant reads this: please pick a woman’s name for the MTB. Perhaps even a non-WASPy woman’s name. It’s be a welcome change and I’d love to shred on a Ellie Fant, Hilda Clime, Filla Gree, or Some such. Just my two cents. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

"Ridable prototypes by mid July!" That might just coincide with my first visit to the bay area in a couple of decades, and what I hope to be my first ever visit to RBW HQ. Yipee. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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Grant also stated that he is working on a new book! On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 4:09:16 PM UTC-5, tc wrote: > > Grant's BLAHG for today (11 June 2018) links to a (very good) radio > interview he did. During that interview, he confirmed a non-disc, > non-squish MTB is in the works. As for

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Grant's BLAHG for today (11 June 2018) links to a (very good) radio interview he did. During that interview, he confirmed a non-disc, non-squish MTB is in the works. As for other attributes the bike may or may not have, I don't remember any that were mentioned ... though it *might* have

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I think it’d more likely be Jack O. Lope or Jack O’Lope. Or maybe Lopes or Lopez instead of Lope. That fits more with the current naming conventions. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

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I like 'Meander", or better, the archaic spelling, "Maeander". The headbadge could show the sinuous path of its namesake, the Meander River in Turkey. Jack On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote: > > On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 3:24:19 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote: > >

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 3:24:19 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote: > This might be a stretch, but hey, what's the fun in following a guru if you > can't spend hours parsing his words and interpreting them?  I think there > might be a hint towards an upcoming trail-oriented Riv (or update to an >

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

mail.com > > >>Sent: May 3, 2018 5:50 PM > >>To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > > >>Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg? > >> > >>Sir Barney Johnston just kind of sounds close to Bonnie Prince Billy.

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

> > Eric said: "...Plenty of riders can ride as fast as they like on any > terrain without suspension--look at Jones's bikes." > That's great for them. Notice what I said is: "Many of us have singletrack options that require some squish to be able to run at a decent speed that makes it fun

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

18 at 4:56 PM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Not me too > > Cantis all the way! Nothing drives me more nuts than disc brakes that make > noise or rub. > > -Original Message- > From: Patrick Moore > Sent: May 4, 2018 3:52 PM > To: rbw-owners

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Not me tooCantis all the way! Nothing drives me more nuts than disc brakes that make noise or rub.-Original Message- From: Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> Sent: May 4, 2018 3:52 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Me too-Original Message- From: Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> Sent: May 4, 2018 3:51 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg? And lest the LOTR/JRRT copyright holders get

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Well, at least, if it had disk brakes. On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > ... > Personally, I'd add at least 15 points out of 100 to the "buy it *now!*" > side of the scale if the bike in question was named "Oliphant." > -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

:43 PM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > That is perfect. Almost as good as Bombadil, which is still the best ever. > > -Original Message- > From: Patrick Moore > Sent: May 4, 2018 7:39 AM > To: rbw-owners-bunch > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re:

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

That is perfect. Almost as good as Bombadil, which is still the best ever.-Original Message- From: Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> Sent: May 4, 2018 7:39 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blah

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I would bet any amount you wish that Riv will not make a suspension corrected frame. Plenty of riders can ride as fast as they like on any terrain without suspension--look at Jones's bikes. My guess is that a Riv mountain bike would end up somewhere in the Jones neighborhood: plus tire clearance,

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

In regards to the name, maybe "Sam Mountainborne"? It'd be a country bike... if the country was Switzerland or Nepal! John (Who trusts Riv with the actual name) On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: > > This bike has me more excited and curious than any new Riv

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I would wish for a suspension-corrected frame/fork design to enable the bike appeal to a much broader set of wallets. Not all of us have packed paths to ride on. Many of us have singletrack options that require some squish to be able to run at a decent speed that makes it fun and worthwhile

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I would have started fat bikes at 3" instead of 4". My fat bike has skinny 3.8" Surly Black Floyds. Dare I call them the Compass of fat bike tires? Laing On

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

How big of tires can clifhangers go up to? I'm seeing more 2.5 tires, but I think 2.8 and bigger would need disc brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

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"mountain bike" is a superset of "fat bike". A fat bike is an ambiguously defined subset of mountain bike. Not every mountain bike is a fat bike. For some, a moutain bike is plus sized at 2.75" - 3.75" tires and it's a fat bike at >4" tires. Every fat bike is a mountain bike. Not every

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

When did "mountain bike" become synonymous with "fat bike"?. I missed that one. Laing Cocoa FL On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote: > I actually wouldn't be surprised if a plus-tired Riv used canti brakes. > V-brakes have an absolute tire clearance limit based on

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I actually wouldn't be surprised if a plus-tired Riv used canti brakes. V-brakes have an absolute tire clearance limit based on their arm length, and I think most v-brakes, especially the Shimano ones that Rivendell uses, wouldn't be able to clear a 3-inch tire. You may be able to do it with

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Eh, Riv was canti over v-brakes back in the day, too..now it's v-brakes over discs. I'm holding out hope for cable discs over hydros ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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I agree about if the frame had disc brakes it would contradict what was stated about already existing auto/moto tech. I looked around and it seems there exists already 44mm rim brake plus tire rims, called Snowcats/Snow Cats . 44mm wide. They've been around since '93 !

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Doesn’t matter. So excited that I may finally get a full Riv purchase/build experience. Bought my Hillborne on CL. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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If they went threadless and rear disc brakes, dare I speculate 2.5-2.8 clearances and potential for the blasphemous shock fork? (Not sure how I’d feel about that) I more like imagining that Grant talked someone into making plus sized canti or v brakes. John -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

In the spirit of speculation fun, here's my big guess: I think the aspect that they need to "pull off" is getting someone to produce a 45mm wide rim brake rim. Grant has multiple times lumped disc brakes together with motorcycle technology, so I think someone would be crazy to expect that to

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Great point. Speculators speculate. Handwringers wring their hands. There's a big distinction between the two, and I did not mean to lump them together. Speculating: Given that the hints indicated some intent to differentiate from Hunqapillar, that tells me that they at least thought about

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

The naming ideas are fun, but we probably should remind ourselves Grant isn't looking for new ideas, he just threw up a couple he's interested in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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Oliphant. Done. On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Jeremy Till wrote: > More hints today! > > We were all set to name the new mtn bike Elephantus--a rebound name after >> we'd finally opted out of Hunqapillar to avoid confusion...and it turns out >> there is an Elephant

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

I have always been a fan of the Trilobites on the Hunqapillar head badge. How about calling it the Trilobyte (the "byte" is intentional) and the head badge could be one big Trilobite. Trilobyte does obey the three syllable rule. Laing cocoa FL >>> -- You received this message because you

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I’ve been in the market for a mountain bike for a while. I guess my wife might be pleased that I may have to wait a while longer. Very exciting news! John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

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Or they could be a Riv fan, and like speculating. On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:05:53 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Show me a bicycle owner incapable of liking his bicycle because of its > name and I'll show you a "collector" not a "cyclist". Show me somebody > fretting over a name that

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Show me a bicycle owner incapable of liking his bicycle because of its name and I'll show you a "collector" not a "cyclist". Show me somebody fretting over a name that doesn't exist over a bike that doesn't exist and that they haven't purchased, and I'll show you a habitual handwringer. BL

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I want to see a bison namesake’d Riv, an MTB would be great! Darin in eastern WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Darn it. I so badly wanted a wooly mammoth on my headbadge, whether it was called hunquapillar or not. Can't even tell you how much - except to say that that my kids have been saving pennies so that when scientists in Russia finally clone one, I'll be able to travel to see it. (BTW, I

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

; >>Sent: May 3, 2018 5:50 PM >>To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> >>Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg? >> >>Sir Barney Johnston just kind of sounds close to Bonnie Prince Billy. >> >>-- >>You rece

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Speaking of that artist and such bikes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VR4KaDeAuI=8s -Original Message- >From: Michael Morrissey <michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> >Sent: May 3, 2018 5:50 PM >To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> >Subject:

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

Rivendells (production and then custom) have always had the Riv name on the downtube. The early production Taiwan bikes got their model name on the downtube to separate them from the MUSA Rivs. Eric Who is less bothered by the human name models than he used to be On 9:07PM, Thu, May 3, 2018 Joe

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

RePachyderm is really good. Does a plus bike have to have disc brakes? Does anyone even make plus rims for rim brakes? I’m very excited for this bike, disc or canti. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

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RePachyderm is so good!!! Sent from my iPhone > On May 3, 2018, at 9:03 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > RePachyderm > >> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 7:58:12 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote: >> Harry Elefante, Mt.B >> >> Jeff Hagedorn >> Los

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M. A. Moth, P.K.D.M. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

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Hey Grant, what's the scoop with the names? As long as I've been following this Riv thing - that would be as long as it's been a thing - I've never quite understood why production Rivendells are named with the model name on the downtube like it's the name of the company. -- You received this

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I also profoundly hate the name options and am profoundly excited to see this bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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RePachyderm On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 7:58:12 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote: > > Harry Elefante, Mt.B > > Jeff Hagedorn > Los Angeles, CA USA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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Sir Barney Johnston just kind of sounds close to Bonnie Prince Billy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Jack Keefe EricF Gatineau Hills On Thu, May 3, 2018, 19:58 sameness wrote: > Harry Elefante, Mt.B > > Jeff Hagedorn > Los Angeles, CA USA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from

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Harry Elefante, Mt.B Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

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Atlantis= bitchin! Hunquapillar= groovy! Rodeo= rad! People names...ugh. I would rather ride "Bikey Mcbikeface". "Gaiavelo" is my vote. I know..I don't have a vote, but I like to try... :) Clayton DirtDance On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote: > >

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Maybe it has a smooth ride instead of smooth talk and they could add the quotes and an 'L' to it and end with an 'e'. "Sir" Blarney Johnstone. On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:53 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > This bike has me more excited and

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

This bike has me more excited and curious than any new Riv since I started following in 2011. No offense to Grant & Co., but I really hope they can come up with a better name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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The New Mountain Bike. APPROVE. BL in EC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

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More hints today! We were all set to name the new mtn bike Elephantus--a rebound name after > we'd finally opted out of Hunqapillar to avoid confusion...and it turns out > there is an Elephant brand bike, so we gotta just let him be with that. So > now it's down to Sir Barney Johnston and H.

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

> If this bike is what I hope it is, a rigid single ring Hunqua plus tired, > disc braked bikepacker, (not a fat bike), I am going to have to rethink my > budget. I will have to buy one. Exciting news! > > The Hunquapiller is the perfect name. Fat feet! > > Thanks Grant!!! > > (Counting

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

If this bike is what I hope it is, a rigid single ring Hunqua plus (not a fat bike), I am going to have to rethink my budget. I will *have to have* one. Exciting news! I hope it has an animal name like the Hunqapiiler or Appaloosa. Both those head badges are bitchin' as well as the names.

[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

whoa, good eye, Jeff! On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 4:14:24 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote: > > Speaking of possible hints, I'll just leave this one here: > > > Do I spy a MIT AHH? > > Jeff Hagedorn > Los Angeles, CA USA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

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Speaking of possible hints, I'll just leave this one here: Do I spy a MIT AHH? Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

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I also noticed that hint, but wasn't quite certain how to interpret it. On one hand it made me wonder whether a fatter tired single speeder is in the pipeline (Hunqabeam!) but then I read it again and determined my own selfish desires were too heavily influencing that initial interpretation.

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