[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread Hoffsta
Having spent years with just one bike, and now owning three and building 
another, I can say I'm much happier with multiple bikes. I couldn't live 
without my Surly LHT, complete with mustache, racks, baskets, kid seat, etc 
for tackling long days around town with the family (me carrying most of the 
stuff). And now I couldn't live without my more nimble, far lighter, and 
much faster 650b rando-bike for pure pleasure riding. I think two is my 
absolute minimum. Any more just adds to the fun!

Sean
Eugene, OR


On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, capnjack wrote:

  I am 65 and ride with a semi-retired psychologist who is 80 and a 
 retired ophthalmologist who is 66.  We ride almost 100 miles every week 
 year round.  Two of us own steel bikes and one has an aluminum road bicycle.
 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at 
 a small cost in weight.  My SOMA Fabrications Extra Smoothie is the only 
 bike I could ever need.  
 As a matter of fact, I had a Specialized Roubaix Pro with Dura-ace and a 
 double-suspended mountain bike, but I found that I was using the Soma for 
 all or most of my rides, so I sold the other bikes.
 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.
 Grant is right about most things bicycling; You don't need all the stuff 
 they try to sell you.



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Re: [RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread Nick Payne
In the guitar world, there's the problem known as GAS - guitar 
acquisition syndrome. I seem to have the bicycle equivalent. I also tend 
to scatter some of them around the world, so that I don't need to put up 
with the PITA that is present-day air travel with bicycle. One of my 
bikes lives permanently in my brother's house in Switzerland and another 
in my sister's house in Perth, so that when I visit them I can indulge 
in my favourite pastime without any faffing around. Then there's my 
spouse, who rides as much as I do, but hasn't quite attained bicycle 
number equality yet, though she's getting there. And to round things 
out, we have the touring tandem and the go-fast tandem.


Nick

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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread Tonester
Wow.  One bike.  That's a tough one.  I'm currently at seven:

1) Atlantis - all rounder
2) Miyata 610 - all rounder that I''m not terrified to leave locked up 
outside the grocery store
3) Mondonico Diamond - classic Italian race bike
4) Klein Adept - full suspension multi gear mountain
5) Civilian Luddite - single speed rigid 29'er (to replace my track bike 
when we moved to rural Lake County CA)
6) 82 Specialized Stumpjumper - nod to the genesis of mountain biking
7) Dahon Speed TR - folder for traveling/commuting

With all that, I'm still looking for the one - my latest fave is the 
Budnitz No. 1 Titanium with a 14 speed Rohloff.

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, capnjack wrote:

  I am 65 and ride with a semi-retired psychologist who is 80 and a 
 retired ophthalmologist who is 66.  We ride almost 100 miles every week 
 year round.  Two of us own steel bikes and one has an aluminum road bicycle.
 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at 
 a small cost in weight.  My SOMA Fabrications Extra Smoothie is the only 
 bike I could ever need.  
 As a matter of fact, I had a Specialized Roubaix Pro with Dura-ace and a 
 double-suspended mountain bike, but I found that I was using the Soma for 
 all or most of my rides, so I sold the other bikes.
 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.
 Grant is right about most things bicycling; You don't need all the stuff 
 they try to sell you.



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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread SteveD


I've gone around in circles wanting/not wanting an extra bike in addition 
to my '03 Atlantis (the frame/fork cost $900.00 back then). A few years 
back, I was looking into getting a Riv Custom; even had a deal with my wife 
that if I road all year round and lose twenty pounds, I could order one up. 
Road the Atlantis year-round, even lost twenty pounds, I nixt the Custom 
because I couldn't justify the cost of building-up another bike. Recently, 
I've been lusting after a HIlson 650B but then couldn't justify the cost of 
building-up a new bike. Shoot, I was even contemplating the Rodeo just for 
its sportiness. 

Even though I can rationalize having a another bike, I end up choking on 
the extra cost. So, I ended up compromising, and threw some buck on spendy 
Paul brakes, Honjo Hammereds, a rondo rear rack, SON delux hub with LED 
light, and a Phil touring hub; all that's left is swapping out the Shimano 
BB for a Phil. Very spendy, I know, but the Atlantis is very smooth and 
comfortable on the road. Plus, now I have the bike that 
I've-always-wanted-but-never-could-afford. 

But, to honest, if the economy wasn't so upside-down-in-every-which-way, I 
get a Hilson or Rodeo and build it up with all the bells and whistles, and 
call it a day and go ride.

-Steve DeMont
Seattle






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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread Kelly
Now I feel better about my bikes ... room in the garage is still tight 
though.


On Monday, March 25, 2013 1:31:26 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 I chuckled at the OP's comment about putting on his 32 mm rubber for rough 
 stuff. I don't own a bike that has tires that skinny. The closest thing I 
 have to a road bike has 38-40 mm tires and is getting sold later today. 
 After that, I'll only have one bike that will even accept tires as skinny 
 as 32 mm, but it's currently wearing 55 mm Big Apples.

 Any of my bikes could easily be my just one bike. I don't have much 
 interest in fast roadie-type riding, which frees me from needing 2 or 3 
 slightly varied bikes to fill that popular category. The other side of the 
 token is that all my bikes are clustered in the all-rounder camp, and there 
 is considerable overlap. I really should sell something.



 On Monday, March 25, 2013 1:12:09 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even 
 at a small cost in weight. 

 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.

 Three or four years ago I was able to think of 700x28 as a comfort 
 choice.  Now, 700x28 is a balls-out racer choice in my mind.  

 To me, having one bike would be as fun as having one change of clothes. 
  I like being able to look into the closet, contemplate a few choices, and 
 put on what I feel like putting on.  I don't have a favorite shirt and I 
 don't have spare shirts.  I have a bunch of clothes that I like wearing, 
 most being versatile, and some being for a specific activity.  If I find 
 that I haven't worn *that* shirt in a long time, I get rid of it.  

 On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, capnjack wrote:

  I am 65 and ride with a semi-retired psychologist who is 80 and a 
 retired ophthalmologist who is 66.  We ride almost 100 miles every week 
 year round.  Two of us own steel bikes and one has an aluminum road bicycle.
 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even 
 at a small cost in weight.  My SOMA Fabrications Extra Smoothie is the only 
 bike I could ever need.  
 As a matter of fact, I had a Specialized Roubaix Pro with Dura-ace and a 
 double-suspended mountain bike, but I found that I was using the Soma for 
 all or most of my rides, so I sold the other bikes.
 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.
 Grant is right about most things bicycling; You don't need all the stuff 
 they try to sell you.



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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread Mike
I'm at 5 and go back and forth on this issue. If I could only have one it 
would be the LHT as it's just the most versatile. Two? The LHT and the 
Hilsen. 3? The LHT, the Hilsen and either the SS Cross Check or the Big 
Dummy cargo bike (I don't own a car). The fifth is my brevet bike and I'm 
tempted to part with it as it's not really being ridden that much. It's 
beautiful, versatile and does it's job but lately... my go to bike is my 
very Rivish LHT with VP pedals, 48mm Noodles, 40mm Schwalbes, Brooks saddle 
and Pletscher twin legged kickstand. It's just a solid capable bike. But my 
bike wants ebb and flow. I have a feeling next year one of these will go to 
make room for a dedicated mountain bike. 

--mike

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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread hsmitham
I personally have a Hilsen which I've had since late January. I built it up 
to have just one bike that would do everything I wanted a bike to do, 
credit card touring, fitness rides, commute (which I haven't yet 
accomplished) and mixed terrain. I feel as though it has met all my 
requirements and am so amazed at it's mixed terrain capabilities, despite 
how much I love this bike I have BAS Bike acquisition syndrome and plan on 
building up a Trek 660 as my go quick steed and then I want to build up a 
Trek 850 as my Atlantis type camping rig. I personally rationalize my BAS 
as a healthy past time. I love bicycles and will continue to collect them. 
Heck if I had unlimited $$$  I'd have an Appaloosa like Keven's 

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htmand 

and a  Bomba like Snug Harborman 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8566366471/in/faves-pedalpusher61/

And what ever I could stuff into the garage. Believe me in all other 
matters I'm a minimalist you can ask the wife. I think it's difficult to 
have just one bike but if they aren't being ridden that may be time to 
unload. There you have my two cents, happy cycling with how ever many 
bicycles you have :)

Hugh


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Re: [RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-26 Thread Brewster Fong


On Monday, March 25, 2013 10:23:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 09:44 -0700, jpp wrote: 
  I feel too each their own. I have been doing the one bike idea (RIVed 
  out Surly LHT) for 3 + years.  But I totally understand having more. 
  In fact if money was no option for me I would probably have a few 
  more.  On the flip side there is nothing wrong with having a favorite 
  bike, but does not have to be only bike. 

 Absolutely.  If you ride a lot, there's a lot wrong with just one bike. 
 What do you do if something breaks and gets tied up for a while waiting 
 parts?   


I completely agree with Steve. When I was only riding recreationally, e.g., 
once, maybe twice a week and on weekends or holidays, I only needed one 
bike. However, ever since I started commuting a few years ago, I found that 
one bike is not enough. I have things break on both bikes at the same time 
and actually took time off work to get it to my LBS. He was kind of enough 
to fit me in and get it going. Then I had him work on the 2nd bike, so that 
I always had two ready to go. Yes, things break, so I agree that one bike 
is not enough!


 Last year on Aug 13 I discovered a cracked MA3 rim on the back wheel of 
 my George Longstaff.  I had the LBS build me a replacement with a new 
 Open Pro rim.  That wheel was delivered on Sept. 13.  A week prior, Aug 
 5, I discovered a cracked rear rim on the back wheel of my MAP.  I sent 
 that wheel off to Velocity for rebuild; it came back on Aug. 24.   


I recently ran over my rear wheel when one of my bike fell in front of my 
car. Luckily, the only thing broken was my rear wheel now looks like a 
pretzel! The bad part is it was a recently build up Mavic MA2 rim! Ugh, I 
still have one more and am trying to decide whether to have the rear wheel 
rebuild with the same spokes or get new ones...:(

It is a good thing I have 4 sets of wheels, but that Mavic MA2 with DA rear 
hub was one of my better ones, but it will be rebuilt! Good Luck!


 So for most of August last year, I had two bikes deadlined. Fortunately, 
 I had several other bikes I could ride. 

 And it's more than just having a spare in case a bike is deadlined.  My 
 bikes are all different from one another.  I like to pick the bike most 
 appropriate to the ride I'm going to do.  Of six, only one of my bikes 
 is really suitable for touring with panniers, for example.   





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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Purpose-built is sexy.  Forumula One cars get your attention.  Dragsters 
and Funny Cars get the crowds at the auto shows.  

A friend who happens to be a pretty high-level competitor at Ironman 
Triathlons showed me his bicycle - a $10K wonder of specificity.  He can 
barely control it in a crosswind and god forbid the roads are wet on race 
day.  (Of course, he moves that thing faster than I ever could.)  It's a 
captivating assemblage of single-purpose design.  

Yet single-purpose designs always seem to be temperamental, fidgety and 
finicky.  They need care and attention, and do not tend to adapt well.  For 
some reason, complexity creeps in as the lack of versatility increases.

There's such power in solid, versatile designs when it comes to bicycles.  

Thanks Grant!


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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread Mike Schiller
It all comes down to what compromises you want to make while riding. Sure 
one bike can do it all but, you will be slower riding 55mm tires on a 
smooth rolling stretch of highway but faster on a bumpy dirt road and 
the opposite is true with 32mm tires. Of course you may not care about 
speed or distance traveled or consider it a challenge to ride singletrack 
on your skinny tires.  

Me, I just love bikes so having different bikes for different purposes just 
adds to my enjoyment, even though I may mix it up sometimes and ride skinny 
smooth tires on singletrack.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.




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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread jpp
I feel too each their own. I have been doing the one bike idea (RIVed out 
Surly LHT) for 3 + years.  But I totally understand having more.  In fact 
if money was no option for me I would probably have a few more.  On the 
flip side there is nothing wrong with having a favorite bike, but does not 
have to be only bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread cyclotourist
Don't me wrong in this... I have 4.5 bikes at the moment. I just like the
idea of a versatile bike that you could do this with. It's pretty amazing
how Rivendells, from their raciest Roadeo to burlyest Bombadil can be built
up so many ways.That's good design at it's best!


On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:44 AM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote:

 I feel too each their own. I have been doing the one bike idea (RIVed out
 Surly LHT) for 3 + years.  But I totally understand having more.  In fact
 if money was no option for me I would probably have a few more.  On the
 flip side there is nothing wrong with having a favorite bike, but does not
 have to be only bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 09:44 -0700, jpp wrote:
 I feel too each their own. I have been doing the one bike idea (RIVed
 out Surly LHT) for 3 + years.  But I totally understand having more.
 In fact if money was no option for me I would probably have a few
 more.  On the flip side there is nothing wrong with having a favorite
 bike, but does not have to be only bike. 

Absolutely.  If you ride a lot, there's a lot wrong with just one bike.
What do you do if something breaks and gets tied up for a while waiting
parts?  

Last year on Aug 13 I discovered a cracked MA3 rim on the back wheel of
my George Longstaff.  I had the LBS build me a replacement with a new
Open Pro rim.  That wheel was delivered on Sept. 13.  A week prior, Aug
5, I discovered a cracked rear rim on the back wheel of my MAP.  I sent
that wheel off to Velocity for rebuild; it came back on Aug. 24.  

So for most of August last year, I had two bikes deadlined. Fortunately,
I had several other bikes I could ride.

And it's more than just having a spare in case a bike is deadlined.  My
bikes are all different from one another.  I like to pick the bike most
appropriate to the ride I'm going to do.  Of six, only one of my bikes
is really suitable for touring with panniers, for example.  



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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread William
The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at 
a small cost in weight. 

If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
instal my 32mm's.

Three or four years ago I was able to think of 700x28 as a comfort 
choice.  Now, 700x28 is a balls-out racer choice in my mind.  

To me, having one bike would be as fun as having one change of clothes.  I 
like being able to look into the closet, contemplate a few choices, and put 
on what I feel like putting on.  I don't have a favorite shirt and I don't 
have spare shirts.  I have a bunch of clothes that I like wearing, most 
being versatile, and some being for a specific activity.  If I find that I 
haven't worn *that* shirt in a long time, I get rid of it.  

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, capnjack wrote:

  I am 65 and ride with a semi-retired psychologist who is 80 and a 
 retired ophthalmologist who is 66.  We ride almost 100 miles every week 
 year round.  Two of us own steel bikes and one has an aluminum road bicycle.
 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at 
 a small cost in weight.  My SOMA Fabrications Extra Smoothie is the only 
 bike I could ever need.  
 As a matter of fact, I had a Specialized Roubaix Pro with Dura-ace and a 
 double-suspended mountain bike, but I found that I was using the Soma for 
 all or most of my rides, so I sold the other bikes.
 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.
 Grant is right about most things bicycling; You don't need all the stuff 
 they try to sell you.



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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread Deacon Patrick
As someone who a year ago went from not being able to ride a bike and thus 
not having one, to having one that does everything -- one bike is a 
wonderful blessing. My Hunqapillar with the large Dureems is a delight to 
ride on our paved roads and even more delightful to ride on the back roads 
and trails. I am still amazed that a single bike can do that, and I don't 
even need to change the tires (I don't ride technical trails). It will be 
some time before I even consider having a second bike as the needs of 
family come way ahead of that on the list, so the quandary of multiple 
bikes seems hard to imagine.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:29:47 PM UTC-6, capnjack wrote:

  I am 65 and ride with a semi-retired psychologist who is 80 and a 
 retired ophthalmologist who is 66.  We ride almost 100 miles every week 
 year round.  Two of us own steel bikes and one has an aluminum road bicycle.
 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at 
 a small cost in weight.  My SOMA Fabrications Extra Smoothie is the only 
 bike I could ever need.  
 As a matter of fact, I had a Specialized Roubaix Pro with Dura-ace and a 
 double-suspended mountain bike, but I found that I was using the Soma for 
 all or most of my rides, so I sold the other bikes.
 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.
 Grant is right about most things bicycling; You don't need all the stuff 
 they try to sell you.



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RE: [RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Don't forget the tinkering enablement factor.  I wonder how it would 
work/ride/feel if I?  Much harder to scratch that itch without a wheeled 
lab rat or two in your stable.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:12 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at a 
small cost in weight.

If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and instal 
my 32mm's.

Three or four years ago I was able to think of 700x28 as a comfort choice.  
Now, 700x28 is a balls-out racer choice in my mind.

To me, having one bike would be as fun as having one change of clothes.  I like 
being able to look into the closet, contemplate a few choices, and put on what 
I feel like putting on.  I don't have a favorite shirt and I don't have spare 
shirts.  I have a bunch of clothes that I like wearing, most being versatile, 
and some being for a specific activity.  If I find that I haven't worn that 
shirt in a long time, I get rid of it.

On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, capnjack wrote:
I am 65 and ride with a semi-retired psychologist who is 80 and a retired 
ophthalmologist who is 66.  We ride almost 100 miles every week year round.  
Two of us own steel bikes and one has an aluminum road bicycle.
The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at a 
small cost in weight.  My SOMA Fabrications Extra Smoothie is the only bike I 
could ever need.
As a matter of fact, I had a Specialized Roubaix Pro with Dura-ace and a 
double-suspended mountain bike, but I found that I was using the Soma for all 
or most of my rides, so I sold the other bikes.
If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and instal 
my 32mm's.
Grant is right about most things bicycling; You don't need all the stuff they 
try to sell you.



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[RBW] Re: One Bike Concept

2013-03-25 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I chuckled at the OP's comment about putting on his 32 mm rubber for rough 
stuff. I don't own a bike that has tires that skinny. The closest thing I 
have to a road bike has 38-40 mm tires and is getting sold later today. 
After that, I'll only have one bike that will even accept tires as skinny 
as 32 mm, but it's currently wearing 55 mm Big Apples.

Any of my bikes could easily be my just one bike. I don't have much 
interest in fast roadie-type riding, which frees me from needing 2 or 3 
slightly varied bikes to fill that popular category. The other side of the 
token is that all my bikes are clustered in the all-rounder camp, and there 
is considerable overlap. I really should sell something.



On Monday, March 25, 2013 1:12:09 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at 
 a small cost in weight. 

 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.

 Three or four years ago I was able to think of 700x28 as a comfort 
 choice.  Now, 700x28 is a balls-out racer choice in my mind.  

 To me, having one bike would be as fun as having one change of clothes.  I 
 like being able to look into the closet, contemplate a few choices, and put 
 on what I feel like putting on.  I don't have a favorite shirt and I don't 
 have spare shirts.  I have a bunch of clothes that I like wearing, most 
 being versatile, and some being for a specific activity.  If I find that I 
 haven't worn *that* shirt in a long time, I get rid of it.  

 On Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:29:47 PM UTC-7, capnjack wrote:

  I am 65 and ride with a semi-retired psychologist who is 80 and a 
 retired ophthalmologist who is 66.  We ride almost 100 miles every week 
 year round.  Two of us own steel bikes and one has an aluminum road bicycle.
 The long miles we put on a bike almost demands we go for comfort, even at 
 a small cost in weight.  My SOMA Fabrications Extra Smoothie is the only 
 bike I could ever need.  
 As a matter of fact, I had a Specialized Roubaix Pro with Dura-ace and a 
 double-suspended mountain bike, but I found that I was using the Soma for 
 all or most of my rides, so I sold the other bikes.
 If I want to do some trail riding then I remove my 700c X28mm tires and 
 instal my 32mm's.
 Grant is right about most things bicycling; You don't need all the stuff 
 they try to sell you.



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