Re: [RBW] TCO in general..
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:22 PM, james black wrote: > Bicycles should not cause this kind > of low-grade anxiety. It's unnecessary - if a bike has TCO, the wheels > are too big. Design it out with smaller wheels! > > Oh, c'mon. TCO tolerance is as personal as saddle likes and pedal choices. I have no problem adapting to TCO with (1) clips and (2) fenders and (3) fixed drivetrain. I'd rather have TCO than other compromises, like smaller wheels -- on the Motobecane -- or poorer handling or weight distribution. Patrick "anxiety? what anxiety?" Moore, who automatically thinks about TCO even with his 559/571 bikes and finds it doesn't bother him in the least. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] TCO in general..
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 23:36, Grant Petersen wrote: > TCO ends up being a problem---in my opinion---only in theoretics, but not in > practice. THere are some builders who would disagree; and although in the > spirit of diplomacy and reasonableness and "agreeing to disagree" and all > that, I accept thatI can't understand it. To fear TCO or to regard it as > Dangerouswell, it's ust something that to me doesn't make any sense. I also disagree - I strongly dislike toe clip overlap, having encountered it on a few frames (I usually ride long-raked 60-62cm frames now, so have little problem). It can be a problem trackstanding, riding slowly, turning sharply while riding a fixed gear, riding offroad, and climbing slowly. If it doesn't make you crash, it's still annoying, inconvenient, and I don't want to sit around while riding constantly thinking, "Oh, I better be careful not to jamb my shoe into my fender". Bicycles should not cause this kind of low-grade anxiety. It's unnecessary - if a bike has TCO, the wheels are too big. Design it out with smaller wheels! One cyclist's opinion. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] TCO in general..
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Horace wrote: > > I think that for people who think TCO is an issue -- it is, and I don't > try > > to change their minds. But I think if someone is wondering whether it's > > going to be an issue for them... it probably isn't. > > > > TCO was an issue, once, for me on one bike. Then I decided if I was in > a place where it could happen I had to be going so slowly that I'd > just stop and put a foot down. > > It's not like I have clips or clipless pedals anyway so putting a foot > down isn't any extra work. :) > -sv > > -- > Grant et al I was the OP for this conversation, and was wondering about TCO for a specific reason: off-road riding an Atlantis with SPD pedals. When I'm clicked in, TCO is bad cuz' I'm not the fastest un-clicker-outer. That's mainly only a problem on singletrack. My AR doesn't have it, but it only fits 42-44mm tires. I'm looking at bikes that fit full 29ers, of which the Atlantis is one. No disparaging remarks about Atlantis were made or intended at all. That's a GREAT bike, no matter how much mucus is all over it! I'm trying to rationalize buying one -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] TCO in general..
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Horace wrote: > I think that for people who think TCO is an issue -- it is, and I don't try > to change their minds. But I think if someone is wondering whether it's > going to be an issue for them... it probably isn't. > TCO was an issue, once, for me on one bike. Then I decided if I was in a place where it could happen I had to be going so slowly that I'd just stop and put a foot down. It's not like I have clips or clipless pedals anyway so putting a foot down isn't any extra work. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] TCO in general..
I think that for people who think TCO is an issue -- it is, and I don't try to change their minds. But I think if someone is wondering whether it's going to be an issue for them... it probably isn't. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
