Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Kiley]

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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Max S]

Something similar just happened here, too. In my case, I'm the buyer; the 
frame was damaged enough - deep gouge in the top tube that resulted from 
something hard smacking and dragging / digging into it - that even if I 
just paint over it with nail polish, you'll see the huge dent. 

I don't know whether I'll get reimbursed by the shipping company (due to 
obvious damage to the box, which I documented in my damage claim) or by the 
seller (a facilitator who did the packing, who seems to have done a decent 
job on their end). But this bike was intended as a gift, so I'm proceeding 
with having the frame repaired and potentially repainted entirely anyway. 
It hurts financially, but I'm hoping that the years of enjoyment to follow 
will make up for it. 

- Max "dented and flawed, but hopefully not permanently damaged" in A2
On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 2:41:43 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

> +1 Matthew's advice is extremely rational. It is becoming increasingly 
> more difficult to find exact models of any bike nowadays and with a 
> skillful repair, the bike is literally as good as new, albeit with a marred 
> decal. I would say,I don't have Matthew's touch up skill and might choose 
> to go the professional touch up route, as I would somehow make it worse.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 11:56:39 AM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi Kiley,
>>
>> Ouch, that hurts! The first paint chip or scratch is always the worst, 
>> especially if it’s not from a ride and you didn’t cause it.
>>
>> Over the years, my bike has suffered a lot of chips and scratches. When I 
>> first got my bike I too was upset about the damage, but I made peace with 
>> it by remembering I’m fighting entropy. Also, the chips and scratches show 
>> my bike is ridden often, and they're attached to memories of rides past: 
>> the scratch on my seat from when I leaned my bike against a barbed-wire 
>> fence, the rock chip from a railroad track, the polished paint from my 
>> jeans against the frame. The chips and scratches and scuffs are part of 
>> what make the bike mine.
>>
>> I would look for a compromise; ask for some sort of shipping refund but I 
>> would not return the frame, especially if it’s one for which you’ve been 
>> searching. I would then patch the damage with model paint, and think of the 
>> scratch as part of the bike’s history, like a scar in a well-worn leather 
>> jacket. Whenever you see your bike amongst others, you’ll always know there 
>> are many like it--but that one is yours.
>>
>> Here’s how I used to fix paint chips:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/JfGHDodtmZc/m/T85s2YKWAgAJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
>>
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
>> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
>> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
>> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>>
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
>> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
>> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
>> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>>
>> -Kiley
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Ian A]

+1 Matthew's advice is extremely rational. It is becoming increasingly more 
difficult to find exact models of any bike nowadays and with a skillful 
repair, the bike is literally as good as new, albeit with a marred decal. I 
would say,I don't have Matthew's touch up skill and might choose to go the 
professional touch up route, as I would somehow make it worse.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 11:56:39 AM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Kiley,
>
> Ouch, that hurts! The first paint chip or scratch is always the worst, 
> especially if it’s not from a ride and you didn’t cause it.
>
> Over the years, my bike has suffered a lot of chips and scratches. When I 
> first got my bike I too was upset about the damage, but I made peace with 
> it by remembering I’m fighting entropy. Also, the chips and scratches show 
> my bike is ridden often, and they're attached to memories of rides past: 
> the scratch on my seat from when I leaned my bike against a barbed-wire 
> fence, the rock chip from a railroad track, the polished paint from my 
> jeans against the frame. The chips and scratches and scuffs are part of 
> what make the bike mine.
>
> I would look for a compromise; ask for some sort of shipping refund but I 
> would not return the frame, especially if it’s one for which you’ve been 
> searching. I would then patch the damage with model paint, and think of the 
> scratch as part of the bike’s history, like a scar in a well-worn leather 
> jacket. Whenever you see your bike amongst others, you’ll always know there 
> are many like it--but that one is yours.
>
> Here’s how I used to fix paint chips:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/JfGHDodtmZc/m/T85s2YKWAgAJ
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
>
> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, 
> I took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels 
> were lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and 
> the hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a 
> little bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the 
> frame and reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up 
> paint, but the frame is from 2016, so
>
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>
> -Kiley
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Kiley,

Ouch, that hurts! The first paint chip or scratch is always the worst, 
especially if it’s not from a ride and you didn’t cause it.

Over the years, my bike has suffered a lot of chips and scratches. When I first 
got my bike I too was upset about the damage, but I made peace with it by 
remembering I’m fighting entropy. Also, the chips and scratches show my bike is 
ridden often, and they're attached to memories of rides past: the scratch on my 
seat from when I leaned my bike against a barbed-wire fence, the rock chip from 
a railroad track, the polished paint from my jeans against the frame. The chips 
and scratches and scuffs are part of what make the bike mine.

I would look for a compromise; ask for some sort of shipping refund but I would 
not return the frame, especially if it’s one for which you’ve been searching. I 
would then patch the damage with model paint, and think of the scratch as part 
of the bike’s history, like a scar in a well-worn leather jacket. Whenever you 
see your bike amongst others, you’ll always know there are many like it--but 
that one is yours.

Here’s how I used to fix paint chips:

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/JfGHDodtmZc/m/T85s2YKWAgAJ




> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
> 
> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, I 
> took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels were 
> lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and the 
> hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
> 
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly disappointed. 
> I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can propose 
> remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a little bit of 
> marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the frame and reduce 
> the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up paint, but the frame is 
> from 2016, so
> 
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
> 
> -Kiley
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Nick Payne]

I'll second the nail varnish suggestion. Several of my bikes (including a 
Riv custom with a Joe Bell paint job) have repairs to the paintwork that 
I've done with nail varnish - on some of them the varnish has been there 
the best part of 20 years, and is still protecting the frame.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[James Valiensi]

That sucks. I just spilled super glue on a 8k paint job, so I feel your pain.

That can be easily fixed. It has to be sanded smooth. Then primed and lightly 
sanded. The color is solid and should be easy to match. A little elbow grease 
and it will blend in like was never scratched. 

See if there is a RAL number for paint. There are places where you can order 
spay paint made to custom colors. 

Or just ride the liven’ crap out of it, like there is no tomorrow (well, 
because there may not be one) and repaint the entire frame down the road. 

Cheers!

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
> 
> That’s a tough break and I can understand your disappointment. Riv/Grant 
> seems to be of two minds when it comes to stuff like this – on the one hand 
> they extol the aesthetics of fancy lugs and exquisite Joe Bell paint jobs, 
> and on the other they seem pretty laissez faire about “beausage” (ugh) once 
> the bikes are in the wild. 
> 
> I don’t know how rare these frames are, and how attached you are to this 
> particular vintage/color, but unless you got a substantial break in the price 
> I think you have the right to expect an intact paint job. If it really 
> bothers you (esp. as a splurge for your 64th birthday) I think you’d be well 
> within your rights to return it and keep looking. Touch-up paint and nail 
> polish are fine suggestions, and will look OK from 10 feet away, but won’t 
> undo the damage. Bikes that get ridden get dinged up, no doubt about it, so 
> if you can make your peace with the fact that damage is inevitable maybe you 
> can just live with it.
> 
> I also like the idea of a strategically deployed decal or sticker, but I 
> think one must be careful to not to go overboard. I have one sticker on my 
> Hunq and it’s from the Association of Caffeinated Wheelers 
> (https://bradclick.bigcartel.com/products 
> ), which suits my aesthetic quite 
> well. Maybe you can find a sticker relating to a hobby or cause that you 
> connect with that would cover and/or distract from the defect.
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> Sent from my Atari 400
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
>> 
>> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
>> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
>> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, I 
>> took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels were 
>> lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and the 
>> hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
>> 
>> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly 
>> disappointed. I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can 
>> propose remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a little 
>> bit of marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the frame and 
>> reduce the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up paint, but the 
>> frame is from 2016, so
>> 
>> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
>> 
>> -Kiley
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Kiley:

That’s too bad. On the plus side, it doesn’t look like the tubing was damaged, 
so this is entirely cosmetic.

A few thoughts:

Find a cool decal and put it over the scuff. Look on Etsy—there are plenty of 
interesting designs in all shapes and sizes. I did this once with a bike that 
had a few blemishes, which I covered with peace-symbol-shaped reflective 
stickers. I’ve also had good results covering damage like this with quality 
vinyl tape in a matching color (3M Trim and Seal is the best).

Take the bike to a sign painter or pinstriper. They have tons of colors on hand 
and are experts using a brush.

Good luck, and enjoy the bike. At least you have the trauma of the first 
scratch already over and done with!

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 22, 2022, at 7:19 AM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
> 
> As some of you know, I have been looking for an early-model 59cm Clem L, 
> preferably orange with blue the runner-up. I preferred frame-only because I 
> knew that I would probably replace 80% of the components. For some reason, I 
> took the wheels too. The frame was pristine but in shipping, the wheels were 
> lashed to the frame with a tie-wrap, the hub protector popped off, and the 
> hub proceeded to gouge the frame for several days in transit.
> 
> I bought this for myself for my 64th birthday and I am bitterly disappointed. 
> I can return the frame and start my search over, or I can propose 
> remediation. What will it take to fix this? I can live with a little bit of 
> marking but it obviously needs to be repaired to seal the frame and reduce 
> the cosmetic sting. I can contact Riv about touch-up paint, but the frame is 
> from 2016, so
> 
> Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
> 
> -Kiley
> 
> 
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