Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-24 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
Gil- I did! and a brag- I "cleaned" it, no taps. Big tires help negotiate those granite lumps for sure. I'll be there on Saturday!, but no bike... If you find yourself cruising around, stop by, third house from the end on the Rockport side of Long Beach, AKA Pau Hana (Mom's fam's been renting

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-19 Thread Leah Peterson
Gill is right about the name of this color, naturally. I mean, I couldn’t agree more 藍. Kai, I love this. Fantastic use of Clem, and fantastic photo of it doing the good things. > On Nov 19, 2021, at 10:28 AM, Gill wrote: > > Kai - Did you ride your Clem out to the end of the breakwater?

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-19 Thread Gill
Kai - Did you ride your Clem out to the end of the breakwater? I’ve never thought to do that. I’ve also never seen another Riv out in the wild so if ever you return to glosta give a shout out. Leah - The color is, “blue-green shot thru with glimmer like sunlight on seawater” On Thursday,

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Ryan
I think, for me, Ben, you hit the nail on the head about Clems. I totally get why people like them. I think Riv found a good niche here...and if I had kids who ride bikes , investing in a Clem would be the ticket, rather than the flashy, lesser kid's bikes that have cheap versions of

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Joe Bernard
Will shifting with his foot is so Will. I'm not trying that, the results would be hilarious and painful! Joe Bernard On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:50:01 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > Gill - This is great. Tell us which color you ended up with; I’d love to > see the bike.

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Doug H.
Patrick, You are correct about tire pressure. I pumped front to 40 and rear to 35 and it was too stiff. I'm getting used to wide tires again and so 25/20 sounds about right. On tire width my assessment about Clem was too generous, it would not take much more than 2.6 as was mentioned above. My

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Leah Peterson
Gill - This is great. Tell us which color you ended up with; I’d love to see the bike. Riding your Clem like a scooter…well, that’s got to be a first, though in today’s newsletter Will from Riv WAS riding his Susie around shifting with his foot, so strangeness abounds. I think $1650 for a Clem

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Joe, will check out their numbers. On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 4:40 PM Joe Bernard wrote: > You need a Gus or Susie/Wolbis to do the fat-tire Riv thing. They claim > 2.8 will fit, I had knobby 2.5's on my Susie and there was a decent amount > of room left. Nice bikes, beautiful fillet

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Joe Bernard
You need a Gus or Susie/Wolbis to do the fat-tire Riv thing. They claim 2.8 will fit, I had knobby 2.5's on my Susie and there was a decent amount of room left. Nice bikes, beautiful fillet welds, get one. Joe Bernard On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 3:30:11 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote: >

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Isn't 25 psi high for anything above 50 mm ...? I rarely pump my 62 mm actual Big Ones up to 25 for pavement only; 20 is usual, for mixed sandy dirt and pavement, and for dirt only, 18. 41 mm actual 26" Naches Pass: 35 and 40 and were it not for our expansion cracks, 30 and 35. 28 mm actual 26"

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Doug. The situation is doubtful, alas. The present Monocog takes the 3" WTB Rangers with ~3mm to spare between stays at rear, but then the tires are mounted on 24 mm OW Alex rims; I'm sure that on 35mm+ rims they'd expand to full 3" plumpness, and one goal is new, wide rims and a frame to

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Just saw this, and am still analyzing it. As I see it, for a given height, Filipinos (mi madre was Filipina) have the shortest legs, Swedes longer, and black Africans the longest. When I sit, I am as tall from seat up as -- if not 1/2" taller than -- my 6'1" bro in law surnamed Hansen. Someone

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Mike Davis
I have no Clem, I do have a 2002 Atlantis and a 1990 El Capitan. One of the real values of a Tig'ed frame is that you can do things that are prohibitively expensive with lugs (ie requiring completely custom lugs or accepting the compromise that might be needed for 26 inch legs and a long body). A

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Doug Hansford
I’ll order a set of those Joe. And I agree about the green Oury grips, they look Rad. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Doug: I use Deity Black Kat pedals and they're great, I didn't like how > narrow the MKS were. Deitys come in a bunch of colors,

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Joe Bernard
Doug: I use Deity Black Kat pedals and they're great, I didn't like how narrow the MKS were. Deitys come in a bunch of colors, I think Leah has the cheaper Deftrap model which looks to be the same size as mine. Good stuff. Paul: That's a nice bike. Dig the green Ourys! Joe Bernard On

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-18 Thread Doug H.
I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-17 Thread Gill
So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-17 Thread Garth
Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a lesser investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be creative with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car would you

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Here's a bit of history which I think will be interesting for this thread in light of how beautiful and colorful and modernized these bicycles have become: In the Blahg or Peeking Through The Knothole or whatever it was called then, the original murmurings about the new, lower cost TIG-ed Riv

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Btw can we discuss the first Clem pictured in this thread? I think Leah's "eccentric" build is the coolest. One thing I can't really do with my custom cuz of the gray/red scheme is toss other colors at it, which is ever so slightly first-world-problems frustrating. I love the splotches of red

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Doug H.
Not at all. I really don't know how wide a tire will fit. Mine has 2.3 inch tires with some room to spare. Doug On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:54:01 PM UTC-5 fraze...@gmail.com wrote: > I hope I'm not stepping on any toes. Bit Grant's "maxed out" Clem L is > running 2.5's. and had to

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Ron Frazelle
I hope I'm not stepping on any toes. Bit Grant's "maxed out" Clem L is running 2.5's. and had to modify the rear cassette so the chain didn't run the rear tire in the granny. On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:24 PM Doug H. wrote: > Patrick, > I would say a 2.8 inch tire would fit. Maybe 3 inch but it

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Bernard
Ok buckle up kids, your old pal Joe's got numbers. This is effective toptube, which Grant will tell you isn't enough information to size a bike so don't listen to me! New/current/late-2021 Clem L: 45cm62.5 52 65.5 59 68.5 64 70 These are the

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Doug H.
Patrick, I would say a 2.8 inch tire would fit. Maybe 3 inch but it would be tight...this is on my 52. On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 8:12:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: >  >  >  > Well I hope you’re not asking ME. I think it’s well-known around here > that I just ride the

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Leah Peterson
  Well I hope you’re not asking ME. I think it’s well-known around here that I just ride the bikes. Let me reply with a nonsensical answer then! I can tell you that my sister with her Swedish/German Anglo build is 5’8” and can ride the 59 Clem L that belongs to her husband who is 6’2”

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Leah Peterson
 Well I hope you’re not asking ME. I think it’s well-known around here that I just ride the bikes. Let me reply with a nonsensical answer then! I can tell you that my sister with her Swedish/German Anglo build is 5’8” and can ride the 59 Clem L that belongs to her husband who is 6’2” with

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Perhaps more helpful: my perfect level tt road bike frame size is 60 X 56 c-c. My built road bikes have 57 and 58 cm c-c tts with Riv-type slightly upsloping tts. Please help me translate this into Clems. And again, how fat a tire will a 700C 59 cm Clem take? On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:39 PM

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Doug H.
Heck yeah! Great post Leah. Yes, the downtube was a barrier to me (thanks Joe for the term). But now that I've come to own a Clem and ridden a few miles I am amazed at the comfort and ability to climb hills on this 'heavy' bicycle. It can handle wide tires, racks, fenders, stickers, bags,

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Patrick Moore
I see; thanks. Then thanks, Leah, for raising this very interesting topic for discussion. I applaud and encourage the question: how would *you* build *your* Clem? Aside: I don't ponder the Rivendell list of frame/bike offerings. Are there other models that do much the same as the Clem? How are

Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Bernard
"So, Leah, what is the question? Are people complaining that Clems are being built in unorthodox colors and kit? Is there a purist group who demands that Clems be restricted to authorized versions?" Patrick, I perceived the question as not a literal question but a jumping-off point to discuss